I dislike mATX. First PC was mATX, hated having to do anything inside it. Not enough room
#๐โtech
reef patrol
That's mATX yes. And it's also geared towards Fortnite and regular games at 1080 Medium/High yes. ๐
plush summit
soooo i have group policy editor installed on my win 10 home...and i really dont want 1803 so i changed a setting that will avoid the update for about a year....is there anything else i need to be wary about when using this "hack"...since windows home arent supposed to have group policy editor
pale sigil
Just update?
latent mural
sorta kind of made a big mistake while making the case, it being way past midnight and all
looking at cheep mITX mbs and ordering node 202 to come tomorrow
maybe i can cut out some supports and holes to make it ligher (it's 3.5 kg!)
reef patrol
latent mural
i fly a ton and a lot of airlines only allow 8kg altogether in he cabin, when you're unlucky they actually weigh your hand luggage
others allow 12
reef patrol
Mhmm
latent mural
carry on bag is 2.5, case is 3.5, components are 3
i'd like to take more than just the computer
reef patrol
Laptop? ๐
latent mural
not enough power
and i cant buy a top of the line nuk every 3 years
i hope nothing gets delayed
and hope the new nvme ssd will work on that motherboard
my current, extremely modified case, as small as you can get a mATX with a sfx psu and full set of pci/-e, I wish there would be manufacturers making similar, weighs a tiny 1.5 kg
33x26x15
iron wave
I modded mine for front panel USB 3.0.
iron wave
Ick.
iron wave
Okay, I am having an issue with cmd.
I am trying to make it start in a directory, run a command, then exit.
I figured that cmd.exe /s /c pushd "dir" && command would do it, but that just runs command where cmd.exe was started.
Any ideas?
pale sigil
@latent mural @reef patrol @plush summit @iron wave @tall finch @neat oriole discussion time bois
iron wave
๐ค
neat oriole
Of what
pale sigil
Intro was dope
neat oriole
The 2080?
pale sigil
plush summit
interesting
iron wave
Oh, I'm not going to watch that live.
neat oriole
Itโs like midnight here
iron wave
It's like noon here.
pale sigil
Omg that was awk
iron wave
I'm making lunch right now.
neat oriole
Iโll do some catching up after I wake up
pale sigil
Launch of gtx 1180... waits 20 seca for claps
plush summit
XD
pale sigil
I'm trying to watch this on mobile network
latent mural
oh no im not realtime
plush summit
no idea about the cmd thing
pale sigil
plush summit
sorry m8 @iron wave
pale sigil
I a,m using a tethered connection because I don't have enough data lol
neat oriole
Iโll just watch some summary afterwards
latent mural
that vomand thing, find "start in"
pale sigil
Not like getting hype In the moment?
neat oriole
Nah
latent mural
it got spoiled already
neat oriole
Itโs late and I gotta wake up early
latent mural
jason kills kaduri
pale sigil
I've been on holiday
Also he said we didn't mean to do it
But all the information out there is a lie
Sounds like it was their intent or something?,
iron wave
@plush summit
You're fine.
plush summit
i should hope im ok
reef patrol
cba to watch anything. I'll wait for the godawful MUH GREEN MEME advertisement to cease and read a TLDR article.
latent mural
gotta get that stock back up
pale sigil
I can barely hear it
Cos I'm in a car haha
So idk what was going on
I went back xD
God damn it
latent mural
variable rate shading
pale sigil
Somehow I find this interesting but also making me fall asleep
latent mural
so like, turing has a new discarding method
latent mural
as long as it takes for the stock price to go up 2%
pale sigil
Lmao
zenith mirage
It's to excite the shareholders and drive preorders
latent mural
hes explaining raytracing to investors
pale sigil
A majority of the audience shareholders then?
pale sigil
Ye that's why you confused me
Thought you were saying shareholders conference
Basically
zenith mirage
Nah, but they'll be listening
pale sigil
This is more cringy than Ubisoft at e3
zenith mirage
Doesn't really interest me as somebody who just plays games. If I was rendering then I'd be keen
But as it stands, meh
latent mural
it will take 5 years for games to do anything useful with it
zenith mirage
Yep
latent mural
even with nvidi's stranglehold
latent mural
unless next consoles in 2020 are nvidia :x
then that's 3.5 years
That's a 30% improvement!
pale sigil
Next gen is cloud
Literally
Microsoft is making a cloud console
After that they won't be making anything else
Console wise I mean
reef patrol
Gief prices already...
pale sigil
And tbh nvidias stream service is solid
latent mural
I've said that to everyone as my personal opinion for 10 years, 2020 us when everything will be streamed, but im having doubts
latent mural
well the idea is that that changes nothing to nvidia/Microsoft/amazon
their cloud infrastructure would do either a game or a conpanies deep learning calculations
etc
pale sigil
Did they just call 1440p low res hahahaha
latent mural
1440 to 4k
D:
burn them on a stake
oh I geddit at last
its for upscaling old content
inb4 fake 8k Blu-ray discussions
latent mural
+tax +mining tax
reef patrol
Mining is dead.
latent mural
miners find a way
pale sigil
I mean
latent mural
ok not low... but medium, but still
pale sigil
I want real benchmarks
latent mural
shadows are overrated
pale sigil
If the new gpus can handle handle 4K 60
latent mural
via aisampling
latent mural
oh no he said "worth the weight"
the game is jinxed now
well all this considered, gameworks having dominance, this being raytracing, so it "just works", with not much input from the designers, you can cut that 5 years to much much less
tall finch
I haven't been paying too much attention to the nvidia conference but those prices make me happy I got a 1080ti for cheap a couple months ago lol
latent mural
499
2070
higher performance* than titan xp
*in raytracing
September 20
....
what if those fancy cores will do magic in mining
D:
preorder is already gone im sure
tall finch
more games are gonna support ray tracing than I thought would tbh
tall finch
still, figured we'd only get a handful of confirmed games and then a slow trickle as the GPUs actually started being sold
ashen spindle
they needed more than usual to work with new stuff or they would have issues selling them, personally I love what is possible to do with raytracing now and I'll play around with it, but them not saying a single thing about performance besides RTX and not waiting 6 montsh for the Ti makes me think they aren't much better in general areas
latent mural
im willing to bet its just your general generational number shift
1080 becomes 2070 or just a but worse
anything bellow that would be outrage at how raytracing is worth nothing
which it kind of is
ashen spindle
well thats not entirely true, raytraycing cores and such can be used for other things than lighting/shadows etc
but that'll take more time to implement
latent mural
wont though
tall finch
they have to have some kind of general improvements for the 2070 to not be absurdly priced at $499
ashen spindle
it 100% will
tall finch
I mean I know it'll be faster than a 1070 obviously
ashen spindle
raytracing is not used much in games because it costs performance, but now many things , collision, interactions and idk what can be used without having to use Rays that cost CPU performance
latent mural
quint: it is capable but when well get anything fancier than shadowd etc.
tall finch
but hard to imagine 2304 Turing cores being much faster than 3840 Pascal cores w/o a huge clockspeed delta
latent mural
I think that when is many years from now
ashen spindle
not really going to take many years, give me a Turing GPU and tell me how the API works and I'll suddenly use a shit ton of rays for everything since I dont lose performance
latent mural
good for u
ashen spindle
as in, it'll be easy to implement it in games
latent mural
you're forgetting that the whole userbase does not run rtx
don't even consider AMD consider everyone not using RTX, why would you integrate something like Collision into a very specific top-of-the-line platform
ashen spindle
yeah so you'll have options to offer both? like PhysX hairworks etc. already does
reef patrol
Raytracing is also not exclusive to nVidia.
ashen spindle
yeah it'll just eat performance on everything other than RT cores
tall finch
honestly that current Nvidia cards suck at Raytracing matters more than AMD sucking at it
if you look at the market share
ashen spindle
obviously you wouldn't make your only way of detecting collison to be based on ray tracing, but it wouldn't take a long time to implement basics as an option until enough years pass for everyone to have a card with RT cores
latent mural
why the added work though
latent mural
i don't see devs doing it in a worthwhile way until at least 25% of the consumer base can even attempt to use it
so that's like 3 years
in a perfect scenario
reef patrol
Whatever nVidia (and thus AMD) have brewing, it will most likely be some kind of optional gimmick that looks nice, and only AAA devs will implement it, because nVidia will pay them to do so, and help them utilize it in a way to show it off.
ashen spindle
no this is much easier to add than lets say hairworks
the lighting part
so we'll see it a lot, especiall in unreal games of any size
because if you do clean work in unreal you already use physics material and such
latent mural
i thought we started the discussion about it being used for something more than lighting
ashen spindle
yeah this was in reply to mansen
latent mural
well it will surely be part of gameworks, why wouldn't it
they said 'just works' like 40 times
reef patrol
I'll bet it'll be like I said...because that's what both brands have been doing for a decade now ๐
ashen spindle
yeah I thought so too at first, but looking at what came with the most recent unreal 4 version made it look like it's a lot easier to implement this time
but obviously can't say anyhting for sure until the hardware is actually out
latent mural
well lets look at this from a different point of view, when is the next amd video card with acceptable dx r.t. coming out
reef patrol
I give it months. AMD knew nVidia would come out with something.
ashen spindle
let me rewrite that : when is the next acceptable AMD card coming out? 
reef patrol
Heh exactly.
ashen spindle
ok giving them a bit too much crap here
reef patrol
Real question is whether they'll fail to match the highest cards this time around, or if they get stuck at around mid/mid high end again.
ashen spindle
outside of high end they aren't that bad
pale sigil
Can't wait for nda to lift
latent mural
no need to rephrase, acceptable amd card is coming late 2019 ir 2020, dxr acceptable would be 2 years from that I'm sure
having no hbm scheit
ashen spindle
well with not hbm vega 56 and 64 would be complete garbage
so lets hope the new generation can do good without it
pale sigil
The new nvidia cards feel a bit pricey
reef patrol
They definitely are.
ashen spindle
hard to say without knowing the actual performance
reef patrol
The 1080TI launched at 699$
latent mural
HBM is the worst failed AMD's experiment ever, causing delays and setbacks of all kinds, until they have a new arc without it, this is far worse than bulldozer
pale sigil
My 1070 was like ยฃ430
ashen spindle
why are you saying hbm is a failed experiemnt?
pale sigil
Unless the difference is mind blowing
reef patrol
AMDs problem was tooling a business card towards gamers, which wasn't a great success.
pale sigil
I'm not bothering
ashen spindle
well msrp of the 2070 is 499
no, although HBM(2) does help on business cards, thats why nvidia uses it there aswell, they didn't really try it on consumer vega, it was necessary
the architecture needed the bandwidht
thats why memory overclocking does so much more on vega than core overclocking
tall finch
high end GPUs are bandwidth starved from both vendors these days
Nvidia just managed to make GDDR5/X work
ashen spindle
yeah pascal/turing aren't throttled by memory bandwidth
also amd couldn't really predict memory prices would shoot up when they release HBM2 cards
amd makes memory? what
ah
yeah price fixing + an actual increase in demand due to smartphone and such was annoying to deal with
glad prices are finally going downwards
latent mural
i hate phone typing. o/
heh
ashen spindle
amen to both lol
reef patrol
Get used to it ๐
ashen spindle
well, I hope I'll at least see more surprises tomorrow at gamescom, lack of them today kinda sucked
though it was nice to get a picture with the nvidia ceo
crude cipher
Yikeeeeeees RTX is 'spensive
plush summit
shady businesses control the world
iron wave
So, anyone getting one and ditching a 1080ti? :^)
plush summit
XD
haughty condor
No 1080ti here but working on getting a few Turing
tall finch
I've got a 1080ti and by the time I need an upgrade for the stuff I play, the 2000 series will be long forgotten lol
iron wave
I'd like a couple cards but I can't SLI them without a new computer.
timid chasm
BUT GUYS 6 times more performance!
neat oriole
Is that an element or el amp
haughty condor
Yeah, good eyes
Will be sad when I finish review and send it back
Do have an Objective2 diy kit to make and keep though
neat oriole
The el amp is better than the element
haughty condor
Oh?
neat oriole
Yeah the element is bright
reef patrol
Expecting to trade in my 1080 for a 2080 at some point. Not in a rush though.
spiral pier
@reef patrol I'm still running on a 760. So I'd figure the 2080 would be a nice improvement.
reef patrol
spiral pier
Yeah, it's old as hell ๐ I don't game as often as I did back in the day.
But it's starting to show its age now. Some bad bottlenecking. And DOOM at a literally unplayable 30fps.
latent mural
i wonder if rumors about amd having a hot new alternative to the 1080 for 300$ will come to fruition next year
hot, heh, didn't mean it that way
The fractal node 202 is Huge :/
latent mural
already got the 202
inwins were too thick for me
the fractal looks too big for what it is though
not yet sure why, haven't looked inside
definitely cant hide it in my laptop bag for sure
crude cipher
@timid chasm I rolled my eyes when I saw that marketing
6x for RTRT maybe
But actual head to head fps? I'm hoping the 2080 matches the 1080ti but I'm unoptimistic
At least the MSRP is significantly lower than the pre-order figures
But literally 100usd more for an EVGA 2080 pre-order than a 1080ti loooooool
reef patrol
Yeah.... prices are harsh. And the RTX demos are... not good.
And honestly - If I wasn't getting one cheap, I would have stuck with my 1080.
crude cipher
I'm hoping for Navi to be good so I can get freesync supported next year
My 1060 will serve for now
reef patrol
Mhmm. To be honest, I'm probably not pushing my 1080 either. And I wouldn't notice if settings were lowered to the point of having great FPS on a smaller card. ๐
crude cipher
The main game I play currently gets 100fps on med-high at 3440x1440 so ๐คท
It was a huge step from integrated which is all that really mattered for me
iron wave
Neat, the Palette 2 is coming!
zenith mirage
what is that?
plush summit
are there any major differences between resilio sync and syncthing?
latent mural
a YouTube video is telling me the 2080ti couldn't do 1080p 60fps raytracing
pale sigil
@latent mural link?
crimson wigeon
So is that only a on/off toggle, or is it possible to adjust the amount of rays shot or something? ๐ค
latent mural
@pale sigil just Google '2080ti can't 60'
pale sigil
Doesn't seem that impressive tbh
BF5 demo was cool tho
@latent mural Pretty much referring to shadow of the tomb raider tho
reef patrol
BF5 demo had tons of artifacts and glitchy behaviour. TR demo showed massive FPS drops with RTX on.
spiral pier
@haughty condor What keyboard is that first one?
neat oriole
That looks like that wireless mechanical keyboard thing
spiral pier
I thought that as well. But that Kickstarter is ending tomorrow right?
Forgot that @haughty condor does reviews. Speaking of which, how do you like that one. I kickstarted it because I thought it would be nice for the office.
neat oriole
Hexgears X1?
haughty condor
yeah it is the hexgears x-1
spiral pier
Yeah, that one. Looks great.
I'll have the Wooting One and Two at home and have the X1 for work. Works a bit better between all the Apple keyboards. Even though it's black... And RGB.
haughty condor
pre-production sample
really like it, I do keep hitting numlock instead of delete all the time
switches are pretty heavy
spiral pier
are they so close together? They don't really have a top down shot on the page
Which switches do you have on it?
haughty condor
which is kinda nice with them only being short travel
the clicky ones
choc white i think?
spiral pier
Nice, gonna go for those too
haughty condor
they're not that close really, if you've used any laptop chiclet keyboard you'll be fine with muscle memory
spiral pier
How do the switches feel? Compared to the Apple butterfly switches, which are also short travel
I can imagine mistaking numpad, yeah. I'd expect it to be there too
haughty condor
umm the apple butterfly switches always felt mushy to me
these are much more substantial, feel a bit like blacks or whites with a shorter distance
reef patrol
Grab an Apple keyboard with Alps ๐
spiral pier
@haughty condor The butterfly switches have grown on me. I can't touch an older Apple keyboard now.
Would still prefer a better keyboard, though. I think the X-1 is going to be great for that.
haughty condor
Nods
They remind me a bit of leaf springs
Will be interesting to use the linear ones once they get some stock
I'm absolutely in love with the Hako True switches on this Whitefox
spiral pier
Hmm. Not really a fan of how the Whitefox looks.
What made you fall in love with the switches?
haughty condor
they're really smooth and stable, with enough initial resistance that I don't double-tap anything
which is a big issue for me on a lot of switches
spiral pier
What do you mean double tap? Like accidental second press?
haughty condor
Yeah
spiral pier
Ah, never actually actively thought about that.
latent mural
benchmarks!
no fps/time/anything numbers, oh come on
ok there are some numbers
I kind of hoped the dlss would be supported for everything not requiring direct implementation :c
tall finch
that benchmark slide is so disappointing
barely any improvement over a 1080Ti from what I can tell
but they'll charge you another $100-$200 lol
latent mural
I've heard more disappointing things, Radeon being mia for a while
iron wave
They didn't improve the rasterization hardware much, mostly did the compute stuff. For things like AI and ray tracing.
Probably means mining will be good on them too.
plush summit
everyone sad about the new rtx lineup?
latent mural
like tesselation, LOD will never be the same! :x
I wonder if they will make dlss available in the Nvidia panel one day
or keep it part of gameworks as the highest aa type to cause lag on all non turring devices promoting people to upgrade
that said, wasn't there a serious surplus of the current gpus? so maybe the updated Pascal would be super cheap
I am definitely excited over that possibility. Smooth shadows and reflections aren't worth it for the life of that card.
zenith mirage
Don't care for RTX. By the time ray tracing is mainstream enough for me to care about it, there will be better cards
And hopefully AMD has something decent out by then
latent mural
yay 2020
zenith mirage
And maybe, just maybe I'll be able to afford an upgrade by that time
If my 390 makes it to 2020 I'm giving it a viking burial
So many dog hairs once invaded its poor fans 
latent mural
Still rocking a 2gig 7850, still got love for the streets
mining really ruined my 3-year upgrade schedule
spiral pier
Would be kinda cool if you could have a secondary card specficially for ray tracing. Just like how people use a spare card for Nvidia Physx only
latent mural
used ;)
spiral pier
I want to upgrade my 760. Kinda wondering if I should just get a 1080 or just go straight for the latest and grab a 2080 ๐ค
toxic jolt
You hear lol
Why would Nvidia refresh an older process when they already have something new that's better
If what they claim is true, Turing is 50% better than Pascal
It seems weird that they would go ahead and try to make something LOWER
Besides, if Nvidia is trying to make raytracing and machine learning the mainstream, why would they go ahead and release some mainstream cards that DONT have those things
I'm no business expert or anything. It's totally possible, I just think it's weird
latent mural
They had a bunch in surplus, which is not a rumour
toxic jolt
That is true, but that's their own fault. There's no point in going in without their features tho
latent mural
and AMD is mia for anything under that price, so...
toxic jolt
Mayne they'll lower the price of the 10 series, while keeping the 20 series at a slightly raised price
latent mural
that means with 10 series still needs to be produced
toxic jolt
Meaning people who want to pay the extra for the features can get the 20, but the people on the budgets get the 10
Well idk 10 under a refresh or whatever
11
I just think it'd be weird to release a new mainstream series and not give it all of their new things
So probably just 10 tbh
10 with price drop
Anyone who wants best performance will be forced to get turing
Therefore forcing their new features, making them mainstream
latent mural
10 with a higher clock and tiny improvements if any =1100
toxic jolt
I'd barely call it a refresh tho tbh
You can already overclock 10 hardcore
I got a 25% clock increase on my 1060
latent mural
so many don't want best performance. and putting tensor cores on 2060 that simply exist is silly
latent mural
yeah well 3.5 != 4 too. they can do what ever they want now
toxic jolt
They'd be sending 20 to an early grave
Either way, I'd by the fuck outta 20 just on the ground that "new better antialiasing"
And "machine learning"
lol
latent mural
I wouldn't, many wouldn't
latent mural
everything that was on display is everything we'll get for the life of that card so.....
spiral pier
I don't get why they would release a 11xx at this point. They're trying to boast the 20xx series. Releasing another one would only saturate their on market and limit the push for their new technology.
toxic jolt
^^^
spiral pier
I also get why people aren't that hyped. Based on the fact that they have a new arbitrary metrics to measure performance on. And say nothing about actual FPS.
latent mural
its to capture all of the market share on their gameworks/cuda compatible cards
spiral pier
But as a company they would really want to push their technology to make it gets used all across the board
latent mural
as a company they don't care as long as they sell
they care for is 100% market share which they'll get
spiral pier
They invested money in new tech. They want that investment back
Offering a card that undercuts your new expensive tech is dumb
toxic jolt
I agree with ClikeX
spiral pier
I'd see them offer a more budget version of a 20xx card. But not a 11xx card
toxic jolt
Also I think machine learning is the future
And that's a big one, especially on that whatever it's called
dlaa
?
latent mural
that investment isn't supposed to come back in 2 years when as they say 10 years went into making it.
toxic jolt
dsaa?
latent mural
dlss
spiral pier
Technically people can still buy 1080's for the time being. Which are still great high end cards
toxic jolt
Exactly, and the price will drop
Making budget gamers happier, which is good
While keeping the top end of the market even higher, and with new toys
spiral pier
They might just release an 11xx. I don't know. But I just don't see the benefit for them
toxic jolt
Not only does this equip the top end with more firepower, the lower end of the gaming community can have it too even though games aren't getting much more intensive lately
spiral pier
They really want devs to push their games to raytracing and get that Nvidia optimised splash screen at the start
toxic jolt
truuuuuu
latent mural
well research certainly is not the most expensive part of the card, it's the card. so if they strip the tensor cores etc they get bigger wafers, better yields
toxic jolt
And to increase the drive size again
spiral pier
@latent mural You mean a 2080 without the specialised chips?
toxic jolt
Everyone was like "wow this is really cool", and it sucked dick tbh
spiral pier
I guess that could happen. Probably would be marketed as a non RTX 2080 then.
toxic jolt
I mean it had it's uses but it was very very exclusive
latent mural
a GTX 1180
toxic jolt
Now we have the chance to see a GPU perform with NEW actually potentially useful features
spiral pier
Yeah I don't get why anyone would market a NEW card with an older number. People would just assume it's an older card
11 to 20 is a big jump.
Sounds stupid, but people actually make decisions based on that
It's why stores sell stuff for 19,99 instead of 20,-
latent mural
its just a thought up number for now
spiral pier
Fair enough
But if you mean a non-RTX 20 series. Than I can kinda see it happening
Maybe some third party will release one
I think Nvidia is going all in on RTX
@toxic jolt Never used Ansel. Like you said, it was very exclusive.
toxic jolt
But RAYTRACING, my gimmick senses are going through the roof and I WANT IT ASAP lol
^^^^^^^^^
Thank you
spiral pier
I'm with @toxic jolt, nice shadows make me lose rationality
I have sacrificed many FPS for better shadows
toxic jolt
Nice shadows and aa
spiral pier
But I do get why not everyone is digging the new card
toxic jolt
Both which are things
In the card
I mean look at timb raider lol
50 fps lol
Rip in peace
latent mural
I run shadows in the lowest resolution I can without errors, always have, and set it for everyone's Computer I work on
amb occlusion is the only real thing that matters
toxic jolt
Ik
But imagine if
You didn't need to do that
Because it wouldn't affect performance?m
That's what I'm excited about
spiral pier
RTX isn't exactly "not affecting performance"
latent mural
there is always time to get better performance
spiral pier
They've been shying away from all metrics
spiral pier
They even made their own new RTX flop-a-diddle metric system to measure performance
Which means nothing to anyone
crimson wigeon
I wonder if the new AA is even more of a blur filter than TAA, surely not
toxic jolt
Good upscaling that gives you msaa level aa with less performance cost and better effectiveness
TAA is Garbo concept and Garbo inplement
crimson wigeon
And yet developers love that shit
toxic jolt
Dlss gives me hope
crimson wigeon
Some even have it forced on
spiral pier
I'm still sporting that 760, so proper aliasing or upscaling is out of the question for games at this point ๐
toxic jolt
LOL
crimson wigeon
Just why, TAA smears the screen way more than FXAA ever did
toxic jolt
TAA actually inprives performance tho
spiral pier
Think smart guys
toxic jolt
You render less
spiral pier
You can have AA with just a 3 dollar bottle of vasiline
toxic jolt
But the idea is still stupid
Because you lose lots if that saved performance in janky scaling calculations and blur
I always thought fxaa was trash
It's only really good for foliage
Low detail foliage
crimson wigeon
TAA only looks good in static scenes, as soon as there's any movement I'm noping the hell out
spiral pier
Btw, I know that ray tracing needs to be actively implemented by developers
But how would dlss be implemented
In terms of support for it
toxic jolt
I'm hoping dlss would be pure post process
crimson wigeon
Yay more post processing
toxic jolt
Wait no
That doesn't make sense mb
It would basically be msaa but different
In terms of how it's implemented, it's really up in the air
The problem is that most games don't implement even msaa anymore
Much less mxaa
I think it's called
Just because it requires a texture engine overhaul, and more RAM
So most likely, there would be some documentation by nvidia
latent mural
nah
toxic jolt
And they would have to push developers to use it
latent mural
just inject gameworks
toxic jolt
Nobody uses gameworks tho
I can think of 3 games in my steam library of over 100 games
latent mural
with their oncoming 100% market share....
toxic jolt
Sekiro won't have it ๐ช
latent mural
and again with what's comming, they are the Senate
spiral pier
The Division, Fallout 4, GTAV also use it
toxic jolt
Okay I guess I'm wrong
spiral pier
They all use it for specific parts, not all of the features
toxic jolt
Fair enough
spiral pier
According to the Nvidia page
toxic jolt
Also am I the only one hype for sekiro
Everyone I asked at work said they didn't care for it
spiral pier
I'm hyped
toxic jolt
Yay
spiral pier
Game looks bloody gorgeous. And I love myself some good sword combat
spiral pier
Haven't really seen much of the actual gameplay yet
Apart from a brief combat thing from E3
spiral pier
Cool, gonna check it out
spiral pier
I kinda want something that is more Zelda-like
But not like BOTW. That went a bit overboard with its open world
toxic jolt
I'm just chill with no rpg, pure repetitive sword play + abilities
spiral pier
I'm all for it. I do like my RPG's
But I don't want to play RPG's back to back
Having something straight forward is great
pale sigil
haughty condor
Sekiro reminds me of Tenchu
pale sigil
aye its wrong
tall finch
cheapest upgrade is $240 cuz you have to replace the whole fugging mobo+cpu
pale sigil
what macbook
tall finch
2013 13"
tall finch
first gen they did it iirc
when they moved off the old fat ones to the thinner ones with retina screens
pale sigil
get the solder iron out
tall finch
meh, it's not too bad cuz I can resell my current board for like $175ish
pale sigil
just sell the mac?
tall finch
I like it too much
and swapping the board is cheaper than buying a new(er) macbook pro
just a pain cuz upgrading my other laptops RAM is a 5 minute job that cost $50
this is gonna take like an hour
tall finch
seems like most general purpose laptops went that way
tall finch
the last normal laptop I had was an HP and it had a little cover on the bottom with the HDD and RAM in it
2013 IIRC
but anything else was a complete pain
but even that had something dumb like 1 RAM slot was under the cover and the other was under the keyboard
pale sigil
My laptop I had to take the drive out, keyboard and entire back shell
What was worse
Was that when getting it I asked for an extra 4gb stick
When I got it I was like where is it
They said they had to get an engineer to do it -_1
So there's me already replaced with ssd and dvd drive with a hdd
And I had to wait a week for the engineer
iron wave
My dad's laptop is missing an entire slot, the pads and hardware to use it is there, just not the socket itself.
iron wave
My laptop was found in the trash. :^)
spiral pier
People shit on Alienware. But at least those open very easily and have everything accessible right there
latent mural
what's wrong with HP laptops? haven't opened one on a while
iron wave
They are a pain to open and often have little to no support for upgrades.
latent mural
I had a compaq a long time ago, I guess that counts as HP
iron wave
This trash laptop of mine is HP and based on the construction it was made a little bit before they started going nuts with the lockdown.
pale sigil
mine is pretty solid
Specs
8GB DDR4
6600u
1920x1080
Sandisk Pro SSD
Tho 4gb stick and SSD was of my own doing
iron wave
Not sure what mine are, it has a HDD though.
latent mural
I tried to open a 14 inch Asus one time, couldn't do it, decided not to
pale sigil
I replaced the dvd drive with a hdd
iron wave
Ick.
iron wave
My desktop however:
i5-3570K
24GB of RAM
GTX 960
4TB HDD
240 GB SSD
Dual DVD
Plus a bunch of other junk.
The stock CPU cooler makes my ears sad.
iron wave
What are you doing FireFox? :V
pale sigil
u wot
iron wave
You have 8-16GB?
pale sigil
16
iron wave
Pretty good guess based 100% on that screenshot. :3
But yeah, no idea why Firefox is doing that.
AHHHHHH
Why is the kernel doing so much? .-.
iron wave
I should not be.
latent mural
start closing questionable tabs
iron wave
What I have open:
My school
A LRR forum
Github
NVidia
Mastadon
Twitter
some PDFs
latent mural
well just close the browser
and see if it returns when you open it back up
PDFs will take forever to load
will already have some instant identifiers
iron wave
That is what normally fixes it, seems like hibernation or sleep just breaks FF sometimes.
Wow those graphs.
Crazy.
I think it is just a strange thing where it breaks when I suspend.
latent mural
sometimes I lose Ram after suspend
not entirely sure why but whole bunch of thing seems to take more RAM
iron wave
Probably memory leaks of some sort. Windows does not seem to have a great implementation of the suspend process. Granted it is very hard to do, but it seems to be getting worse over time.
latent mural
well it's really only happens when I'm suspending a real-time driver for a device that doesn't support suspend
it doesn't always happen with it too
iron wave
The best kind of bug.
latent mural
and I can literally be anywhere
software that uses the driver the driver itself the Device anything
iron wave
Deadlocks are one of the worst kind of intermitted bug.
Once I had a threaded event dispatcher thing that passed like 20K iterations. I remove the test code and start using it and it deadlocks an hour later.
latent mural
good thing that with m.2 SSDs I'm just a bathroom break away from a full restart
iron wave
It takes my computer less than 20s to boot if I recall.
latent mural
I ought to disable the password
iron wave
I can't because of some of the things I use. They get disabled if I disable the password. :-/
haughty condor
go into power options, 'change what pressing the buttons do'
make sure to press the admin symbol for 'show settings not visible'
and disable the 'fast start'
that causes all kinds of issues with suspend
toxic jolt
oh baby
I messed around with that stuff when I first built mine
my gpu would randomly cause crashes, so I tried to make sure I could boot back into csgo in under 3 minutes
It would take about a minute and a bit for it to start
now my computer is at the login before I even sit down and turn my monitors on
latent mural
@haughty condor Thanks, but already disabled
plush summit
if i could see the processes then it would be a bit easier to see what's taking resources
plush summit
@haughty condor oh really
ima do that
i just made a bunch of changes to stop windoes from waking up at night
or ever
latent mural
making a backup with macrium reflect now
1.6Gb/s
so that's nice
not entirely sure how they claim that as the output drive is sata
backup complete etc
iron wave
RAID?
latent mural
no
iron wave
With RAID you could get SATA drives to combine there speeds somewhat to get faster speeds.
Could also have a large cache.
latent mural
I feel like I should say a few good words before I abandon this computer
yes I know how raid works \o/
can't stand how Google dictation changes its mind once you stop dictating
wispy ocean
Or just use that intel optane stuff and an HDD and save all that raid bs
iron wave
I wonder if you could use that to cache a RAID.
haughty condor
optane+hdd is awesome
1400+ read speeds
on a 4tb drive. makes my games speedy af
iron wave
if you don't invalidate the cache. :-P
reef patrol
Also... not enough space to accelerate most games in a meaningful way ๐
haughty condor
32gb optane drive, it's enough for most things
Hoping to get a pcie one or the dimms soon
iron wave
I would like a couple 8GB DDR3 DIMMs.
reef patrol
A 32GB Optane drive is enough .... if you have a single game. ๐
If you actually use your PC for multiple games, the effect is lost almost entirely.
I am so tired of all of these hilariously skewed benchmarks that test a single game at a time, instead of a realistic workload, where a user will actually run more than one game. Your optane drive can't cache new data faster than your harddrive can supply it, so most gamers won't notice game loading improvements anywhere close to what the marketing claims.
latent mural
I put my guard down and as I was cleaning the outside of LGA socket I accidentally pulled one of the pins ;'<
sort of kind of bent back into shape but it's definitely not exactly the same and I did bend it back
honestly I prefer pins, always have
wispy ocean
That sux dude
latent mural
new motherboard, broke one of the usb 3 header pins
you know what's really isn't a very good case
vbus
not sure if it's seperate or it's ok to just have the one left
I'll try to paperclip it
I put a needle inside, hope it makes contact
I guess I can blindly try to test it with a multimeter
haughty condor
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/195907610640121856/482441821306486785/IMG_20180823_074800.jpg
latent mural
right.....
Verdict: node 202 is extremely cramped so be prepared to bend and twist cables and ignore everything in the manual, primarily the assembly order, instead connect all cables before tying any screw
reef patrol
Where do you live, Ty?
haughty condor
Yep, that's partly why there's a version with custom PSU installed
latent mural
I have that psu but I decided to go with the fancier Silverstone I have
this took like 4 hours for just the case
this is a clown car
I don't think I this is modular psu cable compatible
well I guess the broken front 3.0 USB header isn't really end of the world now that I see that you need to abandon it to put two fans
the build quality is meh by the way
the plastic top adds like 0.7kg, I can remove it luckily
reef patrol
Modular is typically required for that case
latent mural
well the psu that comes is just short, no modular cables. They say the maximum PSU length is 13 cm, but with modular cables that means some serious wire bending
reef patrol
Thems the terms with compact pcs. ๐
latent mural
... so I had to break one of a drive-bays really
really should have made it like to cm wider
reef patrol
My ITX Chopin for scale
latent mural
my modified mATX case for scale, 15.6cm high, starting to feel like I shouldn't have gone mitx....
latent mural
I'm fuzedriving a 512gb nvme drive and a 10tb hdd and it's wonderful
reef patrol
๐
I can highly recommend the NZXT line of cases for some bling. Be quiet for low key, no window.
haughty condor
wispy ocean
Woot
proud light
just thought I would share my last build with everyone here https://imgur.com/a/2KjPu
reef patrol
Neat.
latent mural
needs a dash of tiny Nixie tubes
wait a sec, those small ones at the bottom might be, hard to see
proud light
Thanks @reef patrol I am going to try to build a winter is coming ice walker build and drop it right before the new season comes out... or i might drop it way before if they take to long
iron wave
@latent mural
Why where you "cleaning" a socket?
latent mural
@iron wave a smidge of thermal paste
iron wave
Oof.
pale sigil
Why is the 7700k suddenly so pricy
reef patrol
๐ค
latent mural
put a hhd with win10 on it on another motherboard and it didn't BSOD
said it was 'readying devices'
pale sigil
You were expecting it too?
latent mural
things before win10 did
pale sigil
Windows 10 is a lot more refined when it comes to switching hardware
spiral pier
I built a system last year and only kept the HDD and GPU. Win 10 didn't care about it, just ran.
latent mural
maybe that's what I'll do :/
plush summit
maybe one day...hot swappable pci cards
latent mural
I just want to change the HDD too and this motherboard will be dumped when zen 2 comes out
one last attempt at this clusterfuck....
latent mural
so if I understood this correctly, I just link this key to my Ms account and I can install a completely clean windows? no HDD, no nothing
zen 2 is in 0.7 years I'm sure
latent mural
it's a 8.1 pro retail
pale sigil
Which should still work
Try whatever you need, if worst case I'll try and sort you out with a key, I have a bunch of them from uni and college.
Last time I tried activating via store years ago it kept hanging
latent mural
its still unclear if, with this, I have a retail 10 key on my Ms account or the 8 key or I get the 10 OEM and the 8 is gone because none of this is documented
pale sigil
I've used the same key on multiple motherboards
What you could do is put the old hdd on the new mobo and boot up windows
Let it store onto the mobo
Then re install
Worked for me once ๐
latent mural
with previous versions I would just use a retail key on a new motherboard and that's that, windows activated, no problems
latent mural
haven't connected to Internet activated yet, if I go to my Microsoft account I have that old PC there
maybe I should put my Microsoft account here
no.. this did not work
well time to put that old PC back together
latent mural
why
latent mural
yes
already mounting the cooler
pale sigil
dm
toxic jolt
windows has a tendency to be stuck at "readying devices" for a long time
not all the time but often
latent mural
cooler is just sitting on top of the cpu, oddly, I removed with no Force, when I used this grease before it was like glue
huh
oh oh CPU heating up
toxic jolt
wandoooooooooows is the best
latent mural
I thought I'd be getting good karma for not saying bad things about Microsoft
latent mural
I tried to take off the ooler and ripped off the fan, luckily it snaps back on
toxic jolt
why would you try that
latent mural
this thetmsl grease is like glue
toxic jolt
is that a bad thing?
latent mural
should be a good thing
hm...
alright!
I have zero idea what made the 8 key work this time
... does this mean I have infinite Windows 10 upgrades
pale sigil
yesd
latent mural
neat
I was beginning to fear this is karma for all the Grand Theft licence I've done for others
plush summit
So 70 degrees for laptop is a normal and good temperature?
I was running my old one at 90c for ever and it refused to die
latent mural
idle?
pale sigil
idk who i talked to about ips vs others
why
its the same game
running twice
the exact same
that the difference in color is significant
Even VA panels are a lot weaker
there are no settings on my IPS monitor, its default
i have never actually touched anything on it
ik you meant the other
to adjust etc
just saying
You wouldn't get anything better
with the same settings
i haven't adjusted any of them but i dont need to
because it will never look as good
Which is my argument
About IPS vs TN
Lol no
what makes them "bady" calibrated lol
haughty condor
As someone who has tn, VA and it's monitors and a calibration tool - I agree with tino
haughty condor
Unless your panel was sold as 'factory calibrated' which usually costs a huge premium, the default is bad
I mean actual calibration per device not just factory settings
I actually prefer va to ips now
Contrast is more pleasing to me
Especially if has quantum dot film
Yeah I bought the first 144hz tn panel..
It's now unplugged as have a 32" 1440p 144 VA
haughty condor
Review unit, was meant to be a 27" but stock ran out
Need to put it on my arm so I get desktop back
latent mural
this 970 Evo gives the same benchmark result as the old ahci m.2 I had. seems the gen2 x4 pcie is the bottleneck
No such thing as a screen too big \o/
just need to adjust the distance or vertical resolution
spiral pier
I didn't even see the resolution yet
Almost looks like a quickly photoshopped background
latent mural
made windows use a local account, but not sure if this isn't just my Microsoft account
it was installed>local>Microsoft>local
latent mural
ok, added a local account, a bit convoluted the process was
latent mural
yeah that's what I did
should have just done it through Powershell
wouldn't have asked me for secret questions
toxic jolt
You can remove Microsoft account iirc
Like convert it to local
And the other way around too
latent mural
most things will still be connected though
if you install pro with no ms account it treats the thing like a business PC and doesn't reinstall candy crushes, no security questions, etc
I've noticed
latent mural
yes, but it doesn't reinstall
iron wave
Can an Android service find what package is trying to bind to it?
latent mural
I've looked at my 1440p144 TN monitor and 4k60 IPS monitor side by side comparing contrast and colour and the difference is very small
the main difference is the viewing angle effect on the TN, but that's not as bad as it used to be. it starts to be a thing at 27"
ashen spindle
yeah unless you need the best color accuracy you don't need an ips, loving my VA panel aswell
or if you sit at really weird angles at your pc
latent mural
my TN does slightly higher sRGB% calibrated than my IPS calibrated, 99% vs 96%
don't have a setup to measure the colour error
latent mural
I wanted to get a VA monitor for multimedia use but there are very few of those going around
4k60 ones
ashen spindle
it's also funny how I don't even notice the curving anymore at all, granted it's not an extremely curved one
iron wave
My computer isn't good enough for 4K, plus I'd want to replace all my panels to match if I got one.
latent mural
match resolution? or hz?
iron wave
Resolution so the pixel densities match.
latent mural
I like having a fast TN 144hz monitor for gaming and a separate multimedia monitor
ashen spindle
depends on what Hz/resolution
iron wave
I just want a 1080p >60Hz G-Sync monitor.
ashen spindle
crank it up and even tn isn't cheap anymore
ashen spindle
at 1080p? yeah
latent mural
with variable overdrive I wouldn't mind getting a 1440p144 IPS monitor but that one nixeus monitor that has it is a unicorn in EU
rare feature on freesync monitors
iron wave
I wish TVs had more inputs and didn't have the smart crap.
pale sigil
i legit
latent mural
looks like I paid 479,31โฌ for the 1440p144 TN monitor, viewsonic xg2730 and 363,67โฌ for the 4k60 IPS monitor, LG 27UD58
ashen spindle
just get nvidia's BFGD LUL
ashen spindle
can't you just disable it? also never heard of issues with it (and its free)
latent mural
if the implementation is bad on that particular monitor you can just turn it off
iron wave
You paid 56000$ for a monitor? Rich blood...
pale sigil
most monitors wont allow you to turn it off
latent mural
most common issue with it is flickering when enabling a large freesync range because manufacturers don't test their monitors properly
iron wave
G-Sync to freesync when?
latent mural
every monitor I've seen allows you to turn off freesync
ashen spindle
wait what who paid that much?
iron wave
Vegetables.
thin elm
the , was for decimal, not indication of thousands
iron wave
.-.
pale sigil
my dream monitor is 144hz 1440p ultrawide ips
iron wave
Bloody brits.
iron wave
Anyway, got to go.
ashen spindle
I have a 100hz 1440p curved ultrawide VA,if they get better panels with higher refresh rate I'll probably try to sell mine and get one with a bit more, though this is already reaaaally nice
haughty condor
1440p 144 32" with Freesync
Looks washed out because of phone camera, it's pretty accurate irl
ashen spindle
that's 16:9 right?
haughty condor
Yeah
ashen spindle
really thought its 4:3 for a second because im so used to 21:9 by now lol
ashen spindle
think thats the one I have, or similar model at least
pale sigil
to small
haughty condor
This is the monoprice 35" but it's the same 100hz VA panel that most of the 35" use
ashen spindle
yeah pretty much every UWQHD VA monitor is using the same panel
ashen spindle
I can only recommed it, been using this one for over a year now and I think it was the best choice
haughty condor
I've got the Asus 4k 144hz coming
latent mural
tbh pretty much the best thing I've done monitor-wise is going and getting an affordable calibration tool (spyder5pro), the difference it makes for colours is so big that I think you should take care of calibration before caring about what panel type it is. comparing IPS or VA to modern TN the calibration difference may be bigger than the panel difference depending on how out of whack they are out of the factory
typically IPS monitors I have bought have come with a "factory calibration report" and have been closer to the correct calibration, but still not exactly
compared to TN panels
though those never have even attempted calibration
out of the factory
pale sigil
tl:tr
ashen spindle
well at least for gaming you can also still make the argument ISP's don't have the best input delay you want
then on the other hand, 99,9% of people who buy a monitor won't actually play better or worse, just from more input lag
latent mural
TN has the best clarity of image in movement because of the low response times. though that can be helped with variable overdrive
ashen spindle
hm I wonder if I can just borrow a color calibrator from a shop around here, dont really want to buy one if I only got 2 monitors in the last 7(?) years
latent mural
probably if you abuse a store with a good return policy
ashen spindle
I mean I could just order it on amazon and return it the day after
latent mural
the one I got was only 127,66โฌ so not really worth doing weird things over
ashen spindle
idk don't think thats worth it if I use it once now and again in idk 5 years?
latent mural
I bought it in march and I've already calibrated like 7 or 8 monitors so it's been well worth it for me. it's really nice for those bad laptop screens
ashen spindle
also thats like 50% of what I find on google shopping lol
latent mural
looks like spyder5pro is 177,31โฌ atm, it was probably a sale on datacolor's site. if you don't mind getting a bit fiddly it's probably a better deal to get the spyder5express for 117,81โฌ and use an open source calibration program