🔌│tech

[coarse venture]

latest count i saw was 4 kitties 1 fox

[bright briar]

who tf is the fox

[umbral heron]

We have lost the fox

[coarse venture]

rest in peperoni

[smoky parrot]

What does the fox say?

Nonononononononowifematerial

[umbral heron]

She mean

[coarse venture]

okay tech question if one was to get a smart ring is there a good alternative to oura cause id rather not be stuck with a subscription, and like i havent heard alot of good about some of the other brands

[umbral heron]

[steady sail]

the only things missing now is that every cat would switch to Nyarch

[coarse venture]

i use nyarch btw ^w^

[loud hemlock]

real linux moment

[tribal dirge]

Reticle field size is like half that on high na than low na and the depth of focus is significantly reduced to the point where processes downstream like chemical etching and metrology would have to be almost completely reworked to compensate for it.

[stark iron]

after the whole thing yday talking about desktop Linux I put cachyos on my computer to give desktop Linux another go again

seems like Wayland/libinput finally fixed the mouse sensitivity issues!

unscaled mouse sensitivity finally achievable don't have to fiddle with a bunch of bullshit

going to put aside 1tb of space and try to daily drive it to see how it feels now with all the proton improvements n stuff

[gusty kiln]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-10th-anniversary-edition-appears-in-india-for-around-310

300 makes sense but a tough sell if true

[ashen spindle]

yeah its a bit expensive but with current ram prices, if you are on am4 its better than getting a used one for 400 lol

[gusty kiln]

hopefully causes some price correction on ebay

[ashen spindle]

yeah its good pr for amd and making money that they normally could never make lol

[gusty kiln]

lmao if only I could sell my 5800X3d then buy this, but then I won't have a PC to use

[heavy gorge]

best

[ashen spindle]

point in case the x3d cult is worse than the nvidia fanboys imo

[bright briar]

just saw m.2 2tb for 600ish cad before tax when last year and a bit it use to be 150-189 cad

[stark iron]

it's so fucked lmao

I wanted to get a 4tb SSD to make my dual booting adventures a bit easier and they're like 600 usd now when they were 200 in jan

[fickle ore]

is that better than og 5800x3d?

mite go for it until Nova Lake

[ashen spindle]

its the exact same

[gusty kiln]

nah it's like a reprint in a TCG

[fickle ore]

same nm?

🙁

[ashen spindle]

its a dead platform why would they make anything new for a ddr4 socket lol

[fickle ore]

idek

convert with AI

[gusty kiln]

it's mainly for people who want to stay on AM4 longer

since you are not just skip

[fickle ore]

I got 5800x, it would be a nice upgrade for a year or so

[gusty kiln]

lol are you going to get the 52 core?

[fickle ore]

whatever gives best single core

and max L3 cache

[gusty kiln]

that's the 52 core

though the 44 core might be higher clocked at the cost of slightly less cache and less cores

[ashen spindle]

nah assuming its regular intel segmentation its like 395k is the best but 360k is like 95% there

suppose it depends on if they fix all the cross chiplet latency issues, otherwise they might do like amd and have a 1 chiplet option

[pastel galleon]

Which one

[unkempt lake]

https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/2026/05/20/ottawa-bill-c22-misinformation/

[pastel galleon]

as it should. draconian bills

[broken island]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RWRk9K could someone review this and/or give me tips i don't know too much about this

my budget is about 2100-2200

[ashen spindle]

get a different nvme, kingston NV line is uh, sometimes fine sometimes questionable, I'd rather avoid it

and for the board you can maybe find a cheaper one but idk what features you need, rest seems fine

[broken island]

I don't need too many features i saw this motherboard on a recommandation, do you have any?

[analog sinew]

you could look for a cpu+board (+ram) combo maybe

sometimes you can get some decent ones

[ashen spindle]

yeah if you have microcenters or similar near you they often have decent bundles I'd look for that

[analog sinew]

and unless you need outlandish numbers of ports or sth else specifically these mobos are all more or less the same

[broken island]

I live in the netherlands

[ashen spindle]

then why are you using a pcp list with american pricings..

[broken island]

yeah i jsut found out i could change the prices

[sudden imp]

Is Google becoming a fully ai based search engine now?

[ashen spindle]

then probably any ATX sized board that has enough ports, can probably save about 50€ or so for one

[broken island]

alright ty

[pastel galleon]

yes

I stopped using google for search about 4 months ago, unless I really needed it (rarely)

[sullen bear]

Looks fine

Be sure to use tweakers when buying parts

[leaden kiln]

what is ”fully”

are you only going to be able to use ai mode

[pastel galleon]

I'm pretty sure they are just going to keep approaching that "fully" mark, without quite making it

[leaden kiln]

So the answer is no then

[pastel galleon]

so not exactly

"Don't be evil"

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle

[gusty kiln]

what about guidance

[ashen spindle]

markt doesnt quite know what to make of it yet lol

[gusty kiln]

[fickle ore]

they be like ??? :

[pale sigil]

you would think for a company as big as msi they would have better translation

[coarse venture]

atleast its polite

[pale sigil]

freesync has vanished on my monitor after updating it

all i have is adaptive as an option on the monitor itself, before it was freesync

[broken island]

for the price comparison?

[unkempt lake]

@pale sigil

I finally updated my samsung monitor

Only took me 3 years

[pale sigil]

lol

t

[sudden imp]

I feel like since 2026 started Google products have gotten exponentially worse. YouTube’s ads increased significantly as-well as their annoyingness. Theirs this weird ai thing being installed with chrome and now Google basically making ai search results the default now I guess????

I use gmail for email as that’s been my default email since I was a kid. It’s hard to even use the internet now without feeling sluggish/shitty.

Thanks for coming to my TedTalk folks.

[rough patrol]

Google has gotten worse ever since their focus has shifted from making good products to making money

[sudden imp]

That’s been gradual yeah. But something within the past year has dialed it to 11. It could also be maybe I’m just noticing it now because of how drastic it’s changed?

[balmy vector]

I love typing something in the search bar, pressing tab to auto complete what i was gonna type and it going to the stupid ass ai mode

GET OFF MY SEARCH BAR

[unkempt lake]

And i see no difference

Woohoo!!!!

funny number go up

[sudden imp]

Lowkey might switch to Firefox on my pc.

still stuck to chrome on my laptop cause canvas doesn’t work with any other

it doesn’t solve me using a bunch of Google products still though

[exotic plinth]

Are you updating trough display port?

[pale sigil]

Ye

[exotic plinth]

Msi scaler is fine

Atleast you dont have to install their gaming inteligence

[pastel galleon]

i didnt even notice the AI search, since I switched search engines and browsers on all devices (even if my search results are gemerally not as good)

[sinful quest]

Have you seen Asus armory create or whatever it were called?
Like I have to guess what I am clicking sometimes

[fervent valley]

I like vivaldi

I also have startpage on default

[sudden imp]

Is Vivaldi chromium?

[fervent valley]

Yes

I just use it cause i can put tabs on the side which i like

[sudden imp]

that’s neat

[empty wren]

thankfully can manage some of the stuff in regards to it in the bios and delete the windows application

[reef patrol]

I wish I could do that with HP. Had to use a semi functional open source app to control my laptop fans and GPU performance.

Because HPs own software is genuine trash.

So many in app ads. And it is super heavyweight for what only needs to be a quick right click and toggle menu.

[tribal dirge]

I guess that is the nice part about asus laptops, the open source alternative to control the laptop is actually better than armoury crate lmao

[reef patrol]

I mean it works. Mostly. It's just a very programmer esque UI.

Definitely beats the alternative.

Can't set the refresh rate properly as my Hz isn't in the app yet. Also can't enable variable refresh as my browser freaks out (namely YT)

So i just have it on 144hz permanently.

[tribal dirge]

Oh wack, when I use VRR (gsync) it's fine.

[reef patrol]

I'll troubleshoot when I get back home. I guess there's so Ryzen/Nvidia GPU funny business

Or it's HP

[mortal swallow]

I wanna buy my brother a new gpu for his graduation, he got a 1080 right now and im thinking of getting him a 9060xt

Is that a good graphics card for the price

[reef patrol]

I'd say so. Definitely a big upgrade.

[mortal swallow]

yea he’s graduating with a 3.9 so I wanted to give him a reward

just wanted to make sure there isn’t anything better for around the same price range I could get instead

[sudden imp]

If he’s gaming at 1080p or 1440p it’s be a good improvement

For the price it’s great

All tech is expensive right now so the gesture is very kind

[mortal swallow]

pretty sure he uses a 1440p monitor for his second monitor since he can’t run 2k on his gpu

and his main is 1080p

[sudden imp]

He should be able to run the 1440p as a main then

[mortal swallow]

That’s what I’m hoping for haha

ever since I got my 1440p monitor I never wanna go back

I’ve tried 4k but the difference wasn’t as big as 1080p to 1440p was

[halcyon moss]

G-helper

[sullen bear]

Yea

[umbral heron]

DB in form, as usual https://www.heise.de/en/news/Deutsche-Bahn-No-information-under-Linux-11300847.html

[fair gull]

as the internet is still newly explored territory according to german politicians/gov it makes sense linux has not been discovered yet on peoples personal devices

[rough osprey]

based

fok them linux users

just hackers

[broken island]

alright

[tired sphinx]

i'm not surprised... that's just such a DB thing

[tropic sundial]

another one of calsys kittens

[old marlin]

My bet is someone told their openclaw to crawl it

[umbral heron]

Join the colony, lots of free pets included

[modern sky]

Fok em kids and their flashy looking laptop screens

Back in my day you had one choice, and you were happy to have a computer!

Now they kids be traveling with 3 computers and complaining it don't work fast enough

[marsh glade]

Colony or harem?

[steady sail]

Both

[umbral heron]

It's a flat structure, there's no management, and HR is that scratching post over there

[tired sphinx]

[umbral heron]

Yeah, but pile is Nikki's, she will bite if you try to pull her out

[tired sphinx]

yis my pile

[steady sail]

https://tenor.com/view/yandere-knife-cut-shiro-danger-gif-4387200422107823527

Nikki pov

[tired sphinx]

[umbral heron]

I'm going into the pile

[tired sphinx]

das oki

[ashen spindle]

https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2026-5-20-amd-announces-production-ramp-of-next-generation-a.html lmao nvidia says they are going to sell lots of cpus now so amd put out a presser saying nuhuh we got the actual good cpus

[reef patrol]

Fite fite fite

[halcyon moss]

tbf, nvidias arm cpus arent half bad

[ashen spindle]

uh, no they are quite bad

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah but ARM

So automagically better!

[tulip marlin]

i've switched on linux it is so good! i have penty of problem but it's nice to overcome them and i also for some reason love the terminal

[halcyon moss]

quite comparable to the halo strix cpu

[ashen spindle]

what? nvidia doesnt have a cpu outside of like switch tegra and servers

dgx spark/gb10 is not made by nvidia thats a mediatek cpu with a nvidia gpu chiplet

the cpus nvidia was talking about is vera, their server cpu lineup, which is so good that they had to make deals with intel to get more xeons

[halcyon moss]

ah right, didnt know it wasnt a nvidia made one

[modern sky]

The terminal on Linux is a proof that some things stay the way they are for a good hecking reason

A guide written in 2000s could be relevant today thanks to that

[tulip marlin]

it is so clear to read as well

if you understand how to look took me like 30 minutes to understabt how it worked

[halcyon moss]

its making a big comeback as well as an interface for AI :p

[modern sky]

And if you have doupt there's either -h or a man page about it

[tulip marlin]

yes

i love linux tbh

feel like i own my computer

[modern sky]

It has its ups and downs but yeah that one is a huge plus

What made you switch?

[umbral heron]

Wonder how long you'll last till you start hating it

[leaden kiln]

🥀

I hopped like 4 times in a weeks time now

[slender pilot]

hey everyone, was just wondering why my wooting 60he which i have had for quite a long time now is randomly disconencting and reconnecting with the USB saying its "unknown" or "malfunctioned" when i haven't done anything to it... Is there a quick fix or just time for a new keyboard...

[leaden kiln]

community support channel or talk to wooting support

[plucky tapir]

Until you can't even have a name with a capital letter 😄

[leaden kiln]

you can in the display name

[tulip marlin]

I did spend 5h fixing my fans staying on after shutting down

[plucky tapir]

Not the same I want my folder with capital

[tulip marlin]

I think it's fixed now

[plucky tapir]

You can workaround it but it doesn't like it as stuff can break for enabling "bad names"

[tulip marlin]

Btw can someone help me with that

[plucky tapir]

Turn monitor 90 degrees and should be fine

[ashen spindle]

yes so if you take the left monitor and rotate it 90degrees you'll be fine as they are aligned the same way then

[modern sky]

Why? You would be accessing it with a ~ either way

[plucky tapir]

Too many Linux system have this and on some so could never get a fix working, depends on distro and hardware config

[tulip marlin]

cachyOS with KDE plasma

[plucky tapir]

Because I hate everything lowercase 😛

[leaden kiln]

you can also just do a symlink and use a capitalized folder

[plucky tapir]

Done in the past I just don't want to have to do 4000 workarounds for shit I cba anymore to tinker

[modern sky]

You could also just break the only rule of Linux and break user space

To allow this

[crimson wigeon]

useradd don't care

[plucky tapir]

Nah like at that point there is just no point doing it

[crimson wigeon]

Oh it's just legacy goofy reasons

[fair gull]

the real question is why the mail server wouldnt lowercase the recipient anyway

[umbral heron]

Same as you can't name folder in Windows "COM1"

Legacy reasons

[plucky tapir]

Let me uppercase as much as I want and make it non-casesensitive on the backend waaaaah

[fair gull]

afaik mail servers never accepted upper case local parts

[plucky tapir]

Yeah, on the google end it's always lowercase but for stuff I register at usually honor my upper/lowercase stuff but that's on their end not google.

[stark iron]

I really wish Linux supported something like the flip presentation model windows has :(

[umbral heron]

gamescope

[stark iron]

I have to run my 360hz monitor at 240hz on Linux bc the vrr mode switch from fullscreen causes the monitor to go black for a few seconds if dsc is active

[stark iron]

wait would that work?

ill have to try it and see

[crimson wigeon]

Probably not. Switching in and out of VRR should not blacken the screen unless there are bugs or broken hardware somewhere in the path. For example the Steam Deck dock blackens the screen when switching out of VRR, but not when switching in to VRR...

[stark iron]

it's an issue with DSC, if I lower my refresh rate out of DSC range it doesn't happen

[tribal dirge]

It's a DSC thing

Because the DSC configuration must change in order to enable VRR

[stark iron]

^

[plucky tapir]

I read something about AMD and HDMI 2.1 + DSC on linux recently

[ashen spindle]

what gpu?

[stark iron]

rtx 4080

[crimson wigeon]

Would be fixed if the kernel API were to be enhanced such that VRR was not just a boolean, instead a range so when you want no VRR you set the minimum to max refresh rate. That way you could stay in the VRR happy path forever and never have to worry about problems switching it on or off.. maybe...

[tribal dirge]

I'm assuming the VRR implementation you are using is Gsync?

[stark iron]

ya

[umbral heron]

Yeah, 2.1 full support is coming to Mesa very soon

[stark iron]

windows kind of skips the issue with flipped presentation by never turning off the desktop

[plucky tapir]

My next graphicscard might be AMD even if they are not the best. Fun to test something new I guess been 10+ years since I used AMD.

[ashen spindle]

most DSC issues turn out to not be DSC related, but caused due to DSC happening at the same time as nvidias display engine switched to using 2 internal driver heads, if they were capable of doing it with 1 dsc would be fine

[umbral heron]

I'll see how AMD will do with FSR4.1 on RDNA3 and how Nvidia will do on Linux in next few years
I may as well change to 6080, I dunno

[stark iron]

when I get home tonight though I'll have to try gamescope and see if it works to mitigate

[tribal dirge]

Ah that's fair

[ashen spindle]

so up until 50 series most times where DSC would turn on, it also switched to using a second internal head but thats a bit more hidden

and of course nvidia didnt mind at all to have dsc take the blame rather than their lacking display engine

[tribal dirge]

Nvidia enterprise drivers work surprisingly well on Linux I will say.

Like for their pro and B series cards

[plucky tapir]

It's AMD or 6090 for me and AMD will be cheaper for sure lol

[crimson wigeon]

Another mitigation would be to set VRR to always if the compositor you use lets you do that, but that has nasty side effects on Plasma at least. Makes animations very stuttery

[tribal dirge]

Or just, in general their enterprise drivers are way better than the game ready/studio drivers lmaoooo

[stark iron]

yeah the OLED gamma flicker with desktop vrr makes that a nonstarter

[umbral heron]

True
May even skip RDNA5/RTX60 honestly, XTX is more than enough to enjoy 4k60/4k120

[stark iron]

a 50 series card might not have the issue but idk anyone with one to test lol

[plucky tapir]

I don't even need a new PC I just want one, I can play RuneScape jsut fine already 😄

[surreal thorn]

We dont even know when next gen of gpus will drop its been quite a bit

[steady sail]

2077

[umbral heron]

We only know that RDNA5 is next-year-ish
No peep about RTX60

[surreal thorn]

im just going 9070xt cuz its the newest top amd

theres barely any 7900xtx's here available anyway so

[ashen spindle]

theres about 8Qs between gpu IP upgrades for the last idk how long

so at the earliest would be start of next year

[surreal thorn]

7900xtx alot more expensive too

[ashen spindle]

given that consoles are likely to drop end of 27 and are using rdna5, you can expect rdna5 to drop around there as well

[tribal dirge]

VRAM pricing qwq

[surreal thorn]

isnt gddr7 actually cheaper now? i read something about that

cuz theres alot of it

[tribal dirge]

No, not even close because of limited fab time and high demand

[umbral heron]

If you play modern games pick 9070
XTX has more raw power, but 9070 is better optimized for newer games

[surreal thorn]

ah

[ashen spindle]

well it depends

gddr7 is switching production lines from 2gb to 3gb chips

so its somewhat getting cheaper by virtue of older one being phased out lol

[surreal thorn]

oh

[tribal dirge]

Is it because demand for the 2gb chips is too low to continue producing them?

[ashen spindle]

no its because they are behind in schedule and 50 series was supposed to launch with 3gb chips already

[tribal dirge]

Oh LMAOOOO

makes sense

[ashen spindle]

the entire vram debate would've not been a thing if 3gb chips were ready in time

[tribal dirge]

Lel

[surreal thorn]

i wonder how the new intel cpus will be

the nova lake iirc

[ashen spindle]

expensive

[surreal thorn]

yeah 52 cores 😭

wont there be x3d things aswell

[tribal dirge]

Expensive but some nice changes like bringing back AVX512

[ashen spindle]

sorta

[surreal thorn]

whats that

[tribal dirge]

Doesn't Intel call it BLLC?

[ashen spindle]

thats the sorta thing

its not 3d stacked its just large cache lmao

[surreal thorn]

oh

[tribal dirge]

A set of x86 instructions that they removed but they are now bringing back.

[surreal thorn]

ohh

[tribal dirge]

The funny thing is they pushed really hard for AVX512 when they first introduced it

But then they thought putting e-cores on desktops was a great idea and then got rid of avx512 support to be able to do it

[ashen spindle]

blcc is kinda like IBMs big L2 cache from a physical look

[tribal dirge]

Oh wow, beefy compute tile

[plucky tapir]

I'm kinda interested in the 52C but if it's any good it will be very expensive, probably very expensive either way. I just need Intel to be relevant again.

[tribal dirge]

They did kind of gained some of my respect back from them after the launch of panther lake for mobile. In isolation of the memory and storage pricing they're a major improvement over last gen.

[ashen spindle]

uh

you do realize literally all the gains on ptl are from the gpu

the cpu is partially a regression

[plucky tapir]

I just know a lot of the Intel good guy PR shit these days is because they are behind, if they get a good product out again and become dominant they will be cunts again.

[tribal dirge]

Yes I've been begging for laptops to have a half decent iGPU for a while outside of just Strix halo

It's why I like my Apple silicon laptops so much

[ashen spindle]

fair

just saying that product should not give you any hopes for cpus xD

[tribal dirge]

Fair

[pastel galleon]

i like dolphin file explorer

i like folder drop downs

[leaden kiln]

I like nemo

[bleak merlin]

pcmanfm-qt 👀

[leaden kiln]

ranger

[bleak merlin]

netrw

[halcyon moss]

i guess i should do that soonish then

[thorny viper]

ubuntu

[nimble arch]

Ubuntu

[stark iron]

I need to see if I can replicate my super fucked up FFXIV setup on my Linux install, no idea how that stuff works though

third party launcher, optiscaler, a parsing tool... just several windows only programs that interdepend

[bleak merlin]

Ubuntu

[ashen spindle]

https://investors.delltechnologies.com/news-releases/news-release-details/dell-technologies-reimagines-modern-data-center-ai-era @gusty kiln @fickle ore hell is freezing over

dell is selling new servers with only amd options

and intel options only end of 2027

[gusty kiln]

Damn I wonder what happened

Intel and Dell were buddies for the longest time

[ashen spindle]

https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2026-5-20-amd-announces-production-ramp-of-next-generation-a.html

well venice is in production now

and DMR not until later, and remember they killed half of DMR

[tribal dirge]

oh wow

not surprising though, amd is killing it with their server cpus

[tribal dirge]

from what i've heard they are really good

[ashen spindle]

the amd servers are general availability in Q1, the intel one unspecified so read: end of year

if there was no cpu shortage from AI hype intel would be so fucked

[halcyon moss]

Haha, I knew these comments would come. It works well for me

[craggy harness]

not really an issue, just curious, is this normal steam behavior with a single 2he wired up? like all 5 entries are just from 1 keyboard

[crimson wigeon]

No, probably ye olde Windows bug where the keyboard shows up multiple times like that, there is/was a registry file somewhere that fixes it

[plucky tapir]

Flexing his 4 keyboards on us

[craggy harness]

like this?

[crimson wigeon]

Maybe

[craggy harness]

but then again, so far most of my keyboards had several enttries there but never triggered steam like that, especially since for some reason whenever i start steam i only get thoss push messages, nothing about the other 4 entries (and yea, no actual controller pluged in)

[empty wren]

or use Ghostbuster

[craggy harness]

ok, NVM this one, seems like wincrap is being weird, since 2 of those HID-keyboards are actually my mouse, listed in quite weirds ways at that since my mouse is clearly a razer basilisk v3 35k, yet these are the listings xD

and one of the other HID thingies is a g-hub virtual keyboard 😅

but yea, i sure like my basilisk V4 from a possible future xD

[gusty kiln]

<@&1098943457654997093>

[craggy harness]

huh?

[marsh glade]

There was a compromised account spreading scam images, it was dealt with

[gusty kiln]

Just weekly mr beast scam

[marsh glade]

*hourly

[gusty kiln]

[marsh glade]

95% of them get filtered out by our antispam tools, only a tiny fraction get through..

[craggy harness]

ah, better make it a reply next time then, since i really thought you called a mod on me there and was like wtf did i do wrong to deserve it 😄

[marsh glade]

https://tenor.com/view/right-to-jail-right-away-fred-armisen-parks-and-rec-right-to-jail-jail-gif-1866630920936314540

[umbral heron]

ME LADS!
I need you all on full hopium
https://wccftech.com/ex-samsung-chip-boss-says-chinas-dram-blitz-could-crush-the-414-ddr5-price-spike-within-a-year/

[ashen spindle]

lol nope

[nimble arch]

Nah

You will enjoy high hardware prices

[ashen spindle]

doesnt make sense to expect them to make memory surplus when they dont have the tech and need to still heavily subsidize it for now

in general if its an article on wffctrash you can usually assume the opposite is accurate

[sullen bear]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1250074825284911114/1494152027310260364/output.gif

[marsh glade]

Every time someone posts that meme, I unironically nearly ban htem

A dangerous game... 😛

[lyric hatch]

[bright briar]

my last comment in this server will be that picture

[marsh glade]

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-until-we-meet-again-goodbye-gif-7594892226715043729

[pale sigil]

Very dangerous meme

[pale sigil]

It wouldn't because we auto delete the last 7 days

[bright briar]

welp

[sullen bear]

That just means u have to post it 7 days before u get banned

[bright briar]

I'll post it right now

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-goofys-trial-mickey-mouse-gif-24945790

[sullen bear]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drive-car-cat-monkey-drift-gif-9837406246035022184

[pale sigil]

https://youtu.be/3W5NNiHnviU

@reef patrol @umbral heron

It's nice to see Louis shit on Bambu

[surreal thorn]

i was thinking of getting a bambu lab eventually but not anymore lmao

so maybe prusa now?

[coarse venture]

is there a tldr of the drama cause ive just seen people claim bambulab is cooked but not why n how

[pale sigil]

For a while its been known the A1 catches on fire around the PSU but Bambu have said its fine since they use flame retardant chasis

[gusty kiln]

"Lame retardant"

[pale sigil]

I still got Bambu

https://www.reddit.com/r/BambuLab/comments/1tj9xyx/a1_fire_resistance_test/

[coarse venture]

yeah no i also have one i just heard about drama

[pale sigil]

This was an older case

with the extruder they fixed though but the A1 is kinda cursed

[surreal thorn]

wasnt there also some copyright thing

[pale sigil]

No idea

Oh

you mean

They threatened a take down notice on a fork of their software

[surreal thorn]

yeah

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG0CRb5fu5Y
Oof... they even ordered using a GN email address (for personal use, not a review initially), so can't say it was cherrypicked to be less egregious.

[bright briar]

tf am i looking at

bro exposing the gasket in 4k

[empty wren]

The problem is they may be a bit full of themselves

Such electrical issues have already been solved in the industry

[empty wren]

keep the snapmaker u1 on your radar too

[fervent valley]

Guess i cant consider them for purchase

[fair gull]

that would be basically all places if you just go by GN reviews

i dont remember any good review of any SI they tried

[sullen bear]

Only prebuilt i would go if i was murican would be the walmart/etc ones cuz they are so damn cheap

If not murican just build your own

[fervent valley]

Im murican i have microcenter like 30-40 mins away

[sullen bear]

Yeah u have some damn good deals sometimes, even under msrp from what i see

[signal bluff]

which wooting 60he is better

[steady sail]

V2

[signal bluff]

I’m kinda broke

[sullen bear]

Then the one you can afford

[signal bluff]

but I wanna get a good one that I can afford

[coarse venture]

then check the outlet

[marsh glade]

https://wooting.io/outlet

[surreal thorn]

looks very cool

[modern sky]

I fucking hate monitor stands now

Feeling genuen hatred

With some companies

I mean seriously how much more expensive is it to make the plate accessible with limited tools

[halcyon moss]

dell screens always have pretty decent stands

at least the ones i know off

[signal bluff]

wow

[tribal dirge]

No they're absolute garbage their configs high key suck

[sullen bear]

Idk man buying a 9800x3d and 5080 for 1700? Sign me up

Or less

[tribal dirge]

The best I can find is 4000 usd for that config on Walmart.

[sullen bear]

Plenty of le reddit posts with prices sub 2k iirc

[ashen spindle]

for a prebuilt or just a hardware combo of those 2 parts lmao

[sullen bear]

Prebuilt

[tired sphinx]

9800x3d is like 380€ and a 5080 can also be found for 1500-1600€

[tribal dirge]

But you also need ram, ssd, cooler, case, fans, and labor to assemble and test

There is just simply no way

[tired sphinx]

yes, i only listed those two components

[ashen spindle]

2k on walmart pcs gets you this

[tired sphinx]

you can definitely not get a prebuilt with a 9800X3D and 5080 for 2k

[tired sphinx]

how is this entire built less than the GPU alone

[ashen spindle]

this is likely from last year

[tired sphinx]

maybe i was looking at a pricey 5080

[ashen spindle]

it literally shows you the 2025 intel bundle on the bottom

[tired sphinx]

oh yeah, there are 5080s closer to 1200€

[tired sphinx]

i think that may be the next item but i wouldnt know

[ashen spindle]

its a purchase list

[tired sphinx]

i see

[sullen bear]

Just look it up

I can post a million of the reddit links

Some are even from this year

[ashen spindle]

https://www.walmart.com/ip/ASUS-ROG-G700TF-G700TF-DS774-Tower-gaming-Core-Ultra-9-265F-5-3-GHz-RAM-64-GB-SSD-2-TB-NVMe-GeForce-RTX-5070-Gigabit-Ethernet-Win-11-Home-monitor-non/15686555186

if some store has a clearance sale thats just any store with any product and not the norm

[tired sphinx]

cause someone mentioned walmart earlier, this is the cheapest 9800X3D and 5080 i see on there

[sullen bear]

When did i say it was the norm?

[ashen spindle]

here?

[sullen bear]

Whats this?

[ashen spindle]

a response to someone saying they have a microcenter next to them?

[sullen bear]

Still dont see where i said its the norm, i said nothing here, just that they are damn cheap

Dont be putting words in my words on discord

Never did i exclude deals, open boxes, or sales, nor did i say those were the norm

[surreal thorn]

which 5060ti though

[umbral heron]

I LOVE MICROSLOP
I LOVE TRILLION DOLLAR CORPORATIONS
I LOVE HOW EVERYTHING WHAT THEY MADE IS WORKING FLAWLESSLY
I had to go to the office, because I've kicked out of company VPN, because MS Enterprise login went down and I couldn't log in

[surreal thorn]

stop calling it microslop the billionaire ceo doesnt like it

it hurts his feelings

we must listen to the billionaire ceo

[nimble arch]

Wagie back in the cagie

[thick elk]

I am glad we don't rely on them anymore than just windows and the rare teams meeting at work. They just generally suck.

[umbral heron]

We have now everything connected to Microslop, along with access cards to the office buildings

[crimson wigeon]

What could possibly go wrong

[coarse venture]

surely nothing can go wrong

[bleak merlin]

Oh boy

[umbral heron]

When it comes to cloud storage, it started to rain

[unkempt lake]

https://www.pcgamesn.com/valorant/vanguard-update-bricking-pcs-riot-response

[umbral heron]

Emm... Banning cheaters - sure
Breaking their PCs? That's a lawsuit territory

[ashen spindle]

nope they are perfectly in the clear

[umbral heron]

[ashen spindle]

this is something that interacts with custom DMA firmware and the the terms you agree too allow this

you only have to do an OS reinstall anyway

its not like physically bricking the hardware forever

[coarse venture]

theres also a easy solution just dont cheat

[umbral heron]

Ah, okay

[ashen spindle]

oh there is valid concerns/complaints about how invasive it is etc.

but this is just bricking the firmware

[leaden kiln]

your brain doesn’t see the second the

[umbral heron]

I will personally start worshipping corporations and kernel-level anti-cheats once there's one that's 100% right, with no false alarms

[ashen spindle]

has there been any actual false alarm with vanguard?

[tribal dirge]

Not that I know of

[nimble arch]

Vanguard is the gold standard

Until it isn’t

[umbral heron]

A lot of people do human moderation, so I guess it's very minimized
Plus they don't ban until 100% sure, as it should be

[ashen spindle]

they are working with microsoft to move it all out of kernel as well

so if anyone says they dont want thats fine but I am very much cheering on how they fuck with cheaters

[umbral heron]

I'm more for swatting cheat devs homes

[ashen spindle]

eh hard to do when most of them are in places like russia

[nimble arch]

Ukrainian drone then

[ashen spindle]

sadly some are in sane parts that are just too remote as well

[umbral heron]

Mongolian drone >:3

[unkempt lake]

MOUngolian drone????

[feral ridge]

quesson'Tyme
how long do y'all think this RAMageddon is going to last?
i want to build a pc but not with these prices bru

i cant do it anymore boss gif

[ashen spindle]

you'll have to deal with it

[crimson wigeon]

It's the new normal, sadly

[feral ridge]

😔

[coarse venture]

im scared youll have to bite the bullet and deal with it

[ashen spindle]

better to be annoyed about paying more now if it goes down than not being able to have anything if it goes up more

[lethal maple]

Prices won’t go down for a while for us consumers, the big 3 mem manufacturers have gotten really cozy with the new prices

Everyone else selling the actual kits is gonna have their own piece of the pie baked in too

[feral ridge]

Yh i feel u but idk, i think I'd rather not get a pc at all than to allow this bs

[feral ridge]

Yeah I seen bro....

It's annoying

[ashen spindle]

you arent going to change anything so its just how much you want to suffer yourself

waiting is always a gamble really

[feral ridge]

Yeah im aware of that

[feral ridge]

Real shi

[lethal maple]

Unironically depending on how much the steam machine might end up costing, you might want to look at that

[feral ridge]

You have no idea about how much im biting my fingers bro.
I was on the verge of doing my build in october but then cus of some università exams and other stuff i just kinda forgot about it

[ashen spindle]

steam machine is not going to be much better or worse than getting parts yourself

[lethal maple]

I built my setup last September, haven’t really checked on prices until recently

[ashen spindle]

so waiting for that only makes sense if you're looking at something in the same performance bracket anyway

[feral ridge]

I think so too

[feral ridge]

Damn golden time

[lethal maple]

Should have gotten an extra tb of storage tho

[feral ridge]

Wait lemme send you a build i found one facebook marketplace.
The description is in italian so ill explain it real quick i guess

[lethal maple]

Oh? I was hearing valve is considering subsidizing them despite comments saying otherwise earlier, I could be wrong

I believe I heard it on deck ready

When they interviewed nerdtastic who then interviewed valve engineers, a real game of telephone

[ashen spindle]

ehh maybe

but even then its not going to be amazing

because if its much cheaper its just going to be bought by offices lol

[lethal maple]

Yes if there’s subsidization it’s an OKAY deal that I would consider

Still pretty pedestrian specs for what you’d be paying for

[ashen spindle]

but still stuck on a unupgradable box then thats using outdated parts yeah

[feral ridge]

This for 1500€
I never really trust offers on market place but this guy says that he allows interested buyers to go to his home and test it, so i could lowkey bring some stress test software to see if it doesn't collapse, and cpu/gpu z to check if the party are actually what he says they are. Thought?

My thinking is why would he allow testing irl if he was advertising fake stuff. So im incline to think its real

It's not MY build that i would have love to setup myself from scratch but with these times its a good option

[ashen spindle]

hmm eh its fine, you can get similar parts for new so its not exactly a great deal for a used pc

[lethal maple]

I don’t get water cooling a 7700x lmao

[feral ridge]

I dont either but its preassembled

Not his choice i guess

[feral ridge]

Yh i looked at individual parts myself and its around 1700 i think

[lethal maple]

No this doesn’t look like a prebuilt, is that what he’s saying in the text?

[feral ridge]

Yeah he says from an online shop

Idk if he means that he bought all parts from that shop or the entire build

[lethal maple]

Oh a system integrator

Those smaller stores, makes sense

[feral ridge]

I still think its a bit high price for used pc but hes says no negotiation on the price

So I'd have to count in the price one of those electric cars that I'd need to get to him, cus its a 50min drive

🤬

[ashen spindle]

yeah not worth it then at all

[feral ridge]

😔 😔 😔 😔

[fierce fulcrum]

https://youtu.be/QxrxfoPANKk?is=eXWBnF74LpM0usfW

Guys do i lowkey swap to matx ? I could do a black version of ths just need matx board which is like 200 euro

Plus 70 for case

Current pc ig

[lethal maple]

But why? You’d have to sell/get rid of the old mobo and case

If it’s just for aesthetics why not wait for an overall upgrade in the future

[lunar elm]

it seems like a pretty average price

[lunar elm]

I mean

you arent really ready for the SFF and noise conversation xd

[lethal maple]

I mean for and sff sure but I mean for a matx or atx build it just seems like a money waste XD

[lunar elm]

that said Im not sure about the thermalright pumps

[lethal maple]

But noise is valid as well

Even on the more efficient 9700x I can hear it when I unlock the tdp to the 105watts using a phantom spirit

[lunar elm]

in all fairness the 7000 series thermal design was ass

but thermalright AIOs are cheap regardless

probably cost him like 20 bucks more over a phantom spirit

[lethal maple]

From my understanding, arctic pumps are the way to go?

[lunar elm]

no arctic is also cheap shit

the real good pumps are higher up in the price tier

[feral ridge]

Make it like 1550 cus of the car rent

[lunar elm]

Im currently rocking the lianli galahad 2 performance and from what I’ve heard, performant but loud pump

and yes its loud

[feral ridge]

What would you say ?
Im tryna get ppls opinion before deciding

[lunar elm]

I’d see if theres any other for similar pricing that you’re willing to pay

When Im going for something I’d rather have another comparison

[feral ridge]

I looked a bit but there's pretty much nothing close to me

There's ppl seelimg am4 builds for 1500

So those are a no go

[lunar elm]

I’d nego it to 1.3-1.4

or try at least

your negotiating skills is a different topic

[feral ridge]

He said ZERO negotiation cus the pc are already top tier

Now i dont agree with that

But im not the one with the pc 🤣

[lunar elm]

I’d grab it if you’re desperate

[feral ridge]

Damn...

Ill think about it then i have until monday

[surreal thorn]

i hope noctua aio releases soon

[empty wren]

custom water cooling loops are also a subject

[surreal thorn]

My dream is to have a custom watercooled one day

but

very expensive

[ashen spindle]

I would not get it because you can built a new pc with newer parts for the same price

[gusty kiln]

custom watercooling is only worth if you max out your cpu/gpu already

[empty wren]

what about noise and faster heat evacuation from the system.

[gusty kiln]

should be easier with lower end parts

rather than the money into custom loop

[empty wren]

well on one hand if the aio fails gotta replace it entirely is another argument i can make

[lethal maple]

I’ve seen people watercool 5070tis and that’s just stupid to me

[empty wren]

so high barrier to entry but low cost maintenance

[gusty kiln]

lol custom loop have the same if not more maintenance

people constantly have to change out the fluid on custom loop

[lunar elm]

same card that is voltage limited

[lethal maple]

Lmao, even the 5080 heatsinks that the higher end version come with are a bit overkill

[gusty kiln]

custom loop is purely for flex and aesthetics nowadays

I am personally am staying on air cooling until Noctua's thermal siphon

[fierce fulcrum]

I wouldnt sell idk ik i cant sell or very hard to do so

[fierce fulcrum]

Like mine

I do like 450twp bios

On astral

[surreal thorn]

ive seen ppl watercool old systems

[analog sinew]

ppl want 360 aios cause screen+rgb

[surreal thorn]

tbf theres much more waterblocks for nvidia than amd

aswell so

[surreal thorn]

And i want noctua aio cuz

quiet and performant (hopefully)

[thick elk]

Noctua has high reliability standards sort of does not like going down the aio route.
But if you want a different Alpine country's AIO there is always Arctic which offers pretty good bang for buck at least and performs reasonably well.

[surreal thorn]

theyre dropping noctua aio this quarter

[thick elk]

Oh they finally went down that route, got you

[surreal thorn]

thermosiphon seems cool too, dont know when that will release though

[gusty kiln]

Noctua Thermosiphon vs GTA 6

[surreal thorn]

doesnt noctua delay things quite often?

[gusty kiln]

ye

[surreal thorn]

Noctua and rockstar are the same then

[gusty kiln]

they are both some of the best at what they do

[surreal thorn]

i just hope aio doesnt get delayed

but tbf i can just then buy arctic and buy it whenever it comes out

[vivid vine]

I am still one to waste money on watercooling cause it looks cool

[surreal thorn]

I would too if there were some nice waterblocks for GPU

[vivid vine]

I like alphacools stuff minus the lame CORE logo in the middle

EK can't be trusted anymore, unfortunately cause I personally thing they made the best looking products

[surreal thorn]

yeah really sucks, their products are really cool imo

theres also bitspower but eh

[vivid vine]

Not sure why they couldn't just keep making it like the 40 series blocks

[surreal thorn]

I have no idea on what is happening but it looks cool

[vivid vine]

These things look way better, just the small OC logo in the middle

[surreal thorn]

idk how alphacool blocks perform

[vivid vine]

On par with any EK block I had

[surreal thorn]

i heard something about thermal pads and alphacool blocks, forgot what it was though

[vivid vine]

Really thinking about buying the Alphacool Core 1 CPU block thing is beating everything else in the market and its cheaper then most

[surreal thorn]

as in thickness

[vivid vine]

Yeah think they had some batches that shipped with the wrong pads

[surreal thorn]

do other thermal pads even matter that much, prob minimal difference

[vivid vine]

Depending on the block really, seems like some need the pads to actually make contact with the block and they have those big gaps without them between the block itself and the capacitors and others it just seems like its tighter tolerances and they are just there to protect from metal on metal contact with the capacitors

My block had super thin pads, most of it squeezed out after I screwed it all together

[surreal thorn]

ah ok

ngl i like the look of the optimus block alot but its expensive

[surreal thorn]

btw are those cablemod cables

[feral ridge]

hand of GOD struck me i found some lower price ram

i MIGHT be making MY build 🙏

[surreal thorn]

dude i swear i cant find the new noctua g2 chromaxes anywhere

[fickle ore]

@gusty kiln nok 9% today oh and btw on inp https://www.reddit.com/r/Nok/comments/1tjsns3/nokias_20x_inp_capacity_expansion_what_could_it/

[iron wave]

Apparently GM will be using ethernet soon. I wonder how much of a pain it would be to splice into that.

[sage heart]

Just finally finally finished my new builld

I saw the Noctua PSU and bought it so fast

On my MSI SUPRIM 5090 LIQUID OC I can pull an even 17ghz memory clock and 3050mhz sustained gaming clock

[surreal thorn]

ooh the triple chamber case

[sage heart]

I have a 2200W UPS that provides clean energy to my Gaming PC

[surreal thorn]

temps are probably crazy good

[sage heart]

Yeah its super important for overclocking my RAM

[surreal thorn]

arent the apex motherboards really good for overclocking

[sage heart]

I actually downclock the 8000 mt/s to 6400, oc the fclk to 2200, then am stress testing super tight timings

Since the 8000mt/s ram are hynix A die and the best binned ram

Yeah the Apex has the best traces for ram overclocking

It only has 2 DIMM slots versus 4

[surreal thorn]

oh i didnt see that

[sullen bear]

Why not an x3d2 at this point

[sage heart]

Because it offers no benefit to gaming and increases heat

I am overclocking to perform BETTER than next generation stock performance so I only upgrade every two cycles versus one and maintain elite performance

[ashen spindle]

No benefit for gaming site since you disable one ccd in game mode anyway but uh, how does it increase heat?

[sullen bear]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/537678489936199700/1502282650809798789/relative-performance-games-1280-720.png?ex=6a1242ff&is=6a10f17f&hm=6536c0a46de6f87c613f1655b0e87cf3deffe7da8e23959b63a02a82e5d2d801&

wouldnt the 9850x3d be better then?

For elite performance

[lapis plaza]

this noctua psu is a thing of beauty too bad you cannot see it inside a normal case

[ashen spindle]

9850x3d is just a better bin or usually what the 9950x3d gets, if you manually tune it anyway all 4 options are basically the same

The increase above stock here is purely from higher base tdp to make the newer option look better

[sage heart]

Yep, 9850x3d is just better silicone than 9800x3d. 9950x3d is the same or better silicone than the 9850x3d but can be pushed higher under the right conditions and has more multithread performance and overclocking capability in general (silicone lottery still applies)

The imc and infinity fabric stability of the 9950x3d is often overlooked when looking at raw performance of stock fps as those shine under fclk overclocking which really boosts 0.1% and 1% lows (in conjunction with ddr5 overclocking) and in my experience significantly lowers latency

[ashen spindle]

ehh the iod is basically the same on all am5 chips

thats not any different they dont have different bins or steppings of that

[sage heart]

Your statement is partially fair, they do across the AM5 but silicone quality still affects imc and infinity fabric stability

[ashen spindle]

yeah but they dont bin for it so theres not guarantee for it to be better or worse on any one sku

[sage heart]

And the 9950x3d tends to be binned higher than the 9800/9850x3ds. This experience held true for me with the 5950x3d and 7950x3d

Its not cost effective for amd to sell silicone that can be overclocked with ease to outperform overclocked flagship silicone

[pale sigil]

My Alexa is Canadian ay

[ashen spindle]

the infinity fabric sits on the io die though, the part that doesnt get binned

[sage heart]

Your alexa needs a haircut

[ashen spindle]

at best you could say the serdes connection at the ccd would be different but I cant see that mattering for stability at higher speeds more than the io die

[sage heart]

My statement still stands

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/hiaotjddlynsikmwaarhmowymoh-r2-d2-here-i-am-on-taooine-family-guy-tatooine-gif-14057699410133367657

[cerulean arch]

thats just factually untrue and if you understand binning makes zero sense

[ashen spindle]

how is it not true

the best bins tend to go to ccd0 on the dual ccd chips and the the 9850x3d is a 9800x3d with a bit higher tdp and the better bins that used to go to 9950x3ds

[cerulean arch]

i would never use X3D mode or other equivalents, it makes no sense

just use process lasso

do you understand what binning is in the first place?

by default a 9850x3d is a worse binned cpu than 9950x3d

explain binning to me in your own words and dont look it up, ill trust

[ashen spindle]

yes its a quality controll process they do at the factory level when the dies are produced to determine silicon quality

[cerulean arch]

what exactly do they determine?

[umbral heron]

[ashen spindle]

depends on what exactly they test but it could be something like do they reach 5.4 or only 5.3 ghz at 1.2v or something like that

[cerulean arch]

no

[ashen spindle]

idk if they do a full v/f curve these days

[cerulean arch]

binning is the process of actually determining which cores are functional and perform to their spec (at a factory level)

all cpus are supposed to be 16 core 9950c3ds for example for 9000 zen 5

but maybe you will have one with only 11 cores that can actually reach perf because of various defficiencies

[ashen spindle]

yeah duh if you yield a defective die that doesnt need to be tested for the highest sku

[cerulean arch]

so they disabled the worst 3 physically and now you have a 9800x3d

16 functioning cores to spec? 9950x3d

[ashen spindle]

no this is just entirely wrong

how tf do I have 11 cores on a 8 core chiplet

[cerulean arch]

no that is how binning at factory level works

[umbral heron]

Nope - 9800x3d has 1 ccd, 9950x3d has 2 ccds, and they are binned on ccd die level, not whole CPU level

[cerulean arch]

personal binning of ordering cpus and testing for v/f curve is entirely different

[ashen spindle]

9800x3ds are single chiplet ccds that can never be a downbin

[umbral heron]

On Zen 5 chiplets have up to 8 cores, ther's no 16 core chiplet

Zen 6 will have 12 core one

[ashen spindle]

a 9800x3d has 100% working silicon that cant have any difference between 9850x3d besides how high it clocks at the same voltage

they both are fully enabled 1 ccd parts

[cerulean arch]

no that is wrong

they WILL physically disabled non functioning cores

[umbral heron]

Yes, but on CCD level, not whole CPU level

[ashen spindle]

there are no disabled cores on a 9800 sku

[cerulean arch]

thats how you reach low tier skus in the first place

[ashen spindle]

there is physically not an option to have disabled cores on a 9800

if you have a part with disabled cores it no longer can be a 9800 sku

[umbral heron]

One CCD die and I/O die

[cerulean arch]

yea so if you have a 9850 that has 8 working cores and can continue to be a 9850, a 9950 will be higher binned because it has 2 fully functioning ccds

[ashen spindle]

the ccds are physically independent pieces

[cerulean arch]

yes

[umbral heron]

9950 has 2 CCD dies

[ashen spindle]

so the ccd0 of both of these chips is the same

they both perform the same

[cerulean arch]

and the likelyhood of booth being fully functioning is way lower for 9950

because they are 2, statistically speaking

[ashen spindle]

so the primary ccd for both options is the same binning quality

the 8 additonal non vcache cores are generally a lower quality bin added on

so for gaming, when you just use the primary ccd, there is practically no difference on a 9850x3d vs a 9950x3d

[cerulean arch]

ccds are tested before assembly my guy

[ashen spindle]

the 9800x3d is set to clock up to 5.2GHz, the 9850x3d up to 5.6 at the same voltage

yeah of course they are thats the entire point

[cerulean arch]

they will take 2 highly binned ccds and assemble a 9950 for example

[ashen spindle]

no they will take one good and one average bin

[cerulean arch]

and they WILL be better binned than a fully functioning ccd that goes into 9800

[ashen spindle]

no

[cerulean arch]

at least one will be better yes

[umbral heron]

Now you contradict yourself

[cerulean arch]

mistake, my bad

[umbral heron]

Not sure if some 9600X are actually 8 core CCDs but with 2 cores disabled

[ashen spindle]

no the entire point of the 9850x3d is that the bin that would've gone into the 9950x3d is now also going into single ccd options

[cerulean arch]

yes they are correct

[ashen spindle]

all of them are

if disabled or defect you will never know

[umbral heron]

They don't make 6-core CCDs anymore?

[ashen spindle]

they never did

[cerulean arch]

by default, if they are defective they will be disabled at factory level to make sure they do not interfere

[cerulean arch]

source on this?

[umbral heron]

I recall that they did for Zen 4 and before, but might've misremembered that

[cerulean arch]

the more expensive product, from a business standpoint, should still receive the better ccd0

[ashen spindle]

no it shouldn't, the higher margin product, not the more expensive product

[cerulean arch]

ccd0 on 9950x3d will be better than 9850x3d on average i will betr

but i dont have a source on this, we are both guessing

[ashen spindle]

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/9000-series/amd-ryzen-7-9850x3d.html

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/9000-series/amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d.html

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/9000-series/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d.html

if you take a look at the 9800x3d that clocks up to 5.2, the 9950x3d says up to 5.7 because thats the non vcache ccds

the 9850x3d goes up to 5.6 and they are obviously using the same voltage limit

ergo the 9850x3d uses better binned chiplets, and its not like it makes sense to have a triple segmentation for no gain

[umbral heron]

That's my CPU there
look puter, you famus

[ashen spindle]

while the dualcore costs more, it doesnt cost double, you still have higher margins and you can market it better

so you take the better bins and put them not only into the flagship but also into a "special" 9850 to ask gamers for more money for like a 1% difference

[cerulean arch]

all the 9850 x3d is, is a way to make better margins on a ccd that could be inside a 9950x3d potentially, but is better than 9800, so they put it in 9850, need only 1 ccd and make more money than 9800

[ashen spindle]

yes

[cerulean arch]

i dont see how you come to the conclusion they are better binned ccd0 than 9950

[ashen spindle]

I never said that

from the start I said they are exactly the same

[cerulean arch]

i would say the difference is probably extremely small but 9950 is 100% better binned on average

because especially now, if you take worse ccds out of the equation and into a middleground cpu, it means the average bin of 9950 goes up statistically too

[balmy vector]

Ok but when new

[cerulean arch]

existence of 9850 probably makes future 9950 better binned on average because they have a way to offload ccds with higher margin

[ashen spindle]

why would they ever bother to keep the top bins for the dual chiplet skus

[cerulean arch]

for ccd0? because... its their highest sku?

[ashen spindle]

its very simple:
ccd doesnt reach 5.6ghz -> 9800x3d or 9700 it is
ccd does reach 5.6ghz -> 9950x3d(2) or 9850x3d it is

[cerulean arch]

no its not that simple

what does ccd doesnt reach x hz mean?

advertised boost clocks are MAX spontaneous boost clocks on single cores

[ashen spindle]

at the given voltage they run at

[cerulean arch]

it tells you nothing about actual binning in reality

[magic minnow]

1 for Destiny 1 and the 2nd for Destiny 2

[ashen spindle]

yeah so if it cant reach 5.6 at idk 1.2 volt I think?

the 9950 skus also sell like a fraction than the single ccd skus so it makes no sense to keep bins for them, when people primarily buy it for the second ccd not for the primary performance anyway

just adds cost for no gains to amd

amd wants margins, thats why the 9850x3d exists, to sell the same silicon at higher gross margin

[cerulean arch]

this is what amd defines

[ashen spindle]

yes?

[cerulean arch]

its meaingless

[ashen spindle]

I'm not saying the specs determine the bin, I'm saying anything that doesnt hit the spec cant be used for that bin so it has to go to a lower tier

ergo, the 9800x3d can be anything from good to meh bin

while the 9850x3d has to at least be the same bin as a 9950x3d

as they get higher clocks at the same voltage

[cerulean arch]

you dont determine ccd quality by default clock speeds

[balmy vector]

And then a 3rd ccd for d3

[cerulean arch]

you do it by using eclk and pushing them to see where they max out

[umbral heron]

Neither for Destiny
One for Factorio, one for system

[cerulean arch]

though to be honest, for LN ocing i always see 9800x3d used instead of 9950

[balmy vector]

Well how can you use your system if all ram goes to factorio

[ashen spindle]

oh my god yes at factory level they do parametric binning for a whole bunch of factors, those result in your top skus having usually better v/f curves

if you then bin the skus afterwards of course you check that differently than tsmc does at production level

[cerulean arch]

so maybe differences are so small/irrelevant that only having to cool 1 ccd is actually beneficial for edge oc

[umbral heron]

Thankfully it doesn't... yet

[balmy vector]

Te question is how soon is that yet

[cerulean arch]

all that factory v/f curves tell you is what your cpu can do for sure at a given voltage

[umbral heron]

If my Factorio playthrough will start to eat more than 80GB I will start questioning my life choices

[cerulean arch]

lets say X cpu sku has base clock 4ghz boost 5, it could still be the case that 80% could do 5.5 but they cant advertise that if 20% cant, while another sku maybe 100% can do 5.2 but only 60% can do 5.5

its just not that simple

[ashen spindle]

yes and thats how they segment the ccd to go either into a 9800x3d, or a 9950x3d/9850x3d, hence the one chiplet on a 9850x3d and the primary vcache chiplet on a 9950x3d are of the same quality

[sage heart]

This is a great example of silicone binning.

All 3 of these amazon DDR5 kits are using the same exact ram

One is clocked at 8000mhz, one at 6400, and one at 6000

The kits sold at 6400 and 6000 are lower silicone quality and only able to achieve consistent stability per their internal testing at the rated speeds and clocks, there are lucky buyers, when 6000mhz is in higher demand sometimes higher binned RAM is placed in lower bin tiers to continue cash flow

[surreal thorn]

I did not know you run direct die

[sage heart]

The best performance is not buying the 8000mhz kit and running it at 8000mhz. It is buying the 8000mhz kit, downclocking it to 6400mhz, increasing fclk to 2200mhz, and overclocking the primary and secondary ram timings to notably reduce latency and massively raise 0.1% and 1% low fps, a major problem with frame synchronization in heavy FPS titles

6400mhz at an infinity fabric of 2200mhz is the am5 sweet spot, overclocking your RAMs primary, secondary, and tertiary timings and making sure it is fully stable with lots of stress testing is a bigger latency and performance uplift than overclocking your GPU

I actually undervolt my gpu and run it at stable boost clocks to keep frame stability and heat low which maintains higher boost clocks

But in higher resolutions, or ray tracing, graphics intensive games the bigger benefit in ram comes from higher memory bandwidth versus lower latency

[vagrant pagoda]

am i crazy or did firefox change from restore last tab per window, to a global restore last tab?

[pale sigil]

Windows on handheld is bloody awful

Playing with my friends Xbox rog thing

[wheat plume]

Xbox mode? or just regular Windows?

[cerulean arch]

running 3200mclk and 2200 fclk stable is a golden sample

[sage heart]

Its a lot easier to do with an 9950x3d, 2 DIMM motherboards like the ASUS ROG Apex, and highly binned 8000mt/s RAM with arguably the best PSU in the world plugged into a 2200 Watt pure Sinewave UPS plugged into a 20A power socket

Golden samples usually arent as uncommon as people think when you buy flagships, they just underestimate everything that goes into it

[cerulean arch]

its absolutely some of the rarest ram kit you can find

ask buildzoid lol

[sage heart]

You can get it on amazon, multiple kits from multiple manufacturers as high as 8200 mt/s on amazon right now

Its just expensive

You can get even higher on mewegg

[cerulean arch]

im not talking about the kit itself

[sage heart]

But overclocking a lower binned/rated chip to 8000+ mt/s is the golden sample

Buying an already binned rated golden sample is easy

[sage heart]

To buildazoid golden samples are 8000mhz sticks capable of pushing 9000mhz

Or more

Is my guess

Or 6000mhz pushing 7800+mhz

[cerulean arch]

im talking about a kit that can do mclk 3200 and fclk 2200 stable. even if you buy all 8000mts (not mhz) kits you still wont find that sample very likely

ask actually hardcore overclocking about the rarity of an actual golden sample

just because a kit can do 8000mt low cl at low voltage doesnt mean its golden

it will be better binned for sure

but that doesnt mean it can just do 3200mclk 2200fclk

especially because the other very important factor is your imc silicone lottery too

[cerulean arch]

thats a different thing, because then its uclk = memclk/2

i am talking 1/1

[sage heart]

Let me show you an overclock I am currently stress testing on a 9950x

With a corsair vengeance cl30 96gb ddr5 kit

[cerulean arch]

maybe you are a better overclocker than buildzoid

because especially on dual rank you will just not get that shit stable, its so incredibly unlikely

[sage heart]

Ive already done 100 iterations of Y cruncher vt3, and 21 hours into an mt5 test, after this 100 iterations of linpack extreme and a few hours of prime95 benches for showing off but i already know this is fully stable

This is a 96gb kit, two 48gb sticks, i got much better timings by keeping clocks at 6000mt/s, and able to push fclk to 2200mhz

[cerulean arch]

bro its only 3000 mclk

[sage heart]

This is a 96gb kit

Not a 32gb kit

[cerulean arch]

yeah

[sage heart]

It was also binned at 6000mhz

[ashen spindle]

yeah going non power of two seems to help for stability, also consumer boards really should just be 90% two dimm slots

[cerulean arch]

yeah its not hard to get 3000mclk stable on dual rank

[sage heart]

I did push 3200/3200/2200 already but i had to loosen timings so much that it was worse performance even tho it was fully stable

[cerulean arch]

64 or 96 its not hard

[sage heart]

Ok

[cerulean arch]

legit you were talking about 3200 2200 stable and then you show me 3000mclk

like i can get that stable on literally anything

[pale sigil]

All of it

I hated using it

I moved to my steam deck and it's just so natural and fluid

[sage heart]

3000 mclk stable is standard on 6000mt/s ram, 2200 fclk is not as easy when you actually see the rest of the timings im pushing

You are a chatgpt bot

[pale sigil]

rog Xbox ally x thing is horrible

Or well windows

Desktop mode is abysmal too

Game mode is better but not nice either

[cerulean arch]

i saw

trefi not even maxed out

what are your dimm temps that you cant max that out?

[sage heart]

You must overclock all day everyday, this stick does not stay stable at max trefi under stress testing. I can boot max trefi with these timings, but it is not stable

[pale sigil]

Over 9000

[cerulean arch]

thats hilarious

[sage heart]

Stable survives genuine stress testing, i dont just plug numbers in from the internet

[cerulean arch]

me neither

[sage heart]

And go boom max trefi i did it

[cerulean arch]

you can always max out trefi if you are not temp constrained and it shouldt make or break stability on a good oc

[sage heart]

You literally sound stupid saying max trefi didnt even get it

[cerulean arch]

i see not point in not maxing it ever unless you have insufficient cooling

[sage heart]

You have said 10 things wrong since this conversation began

[cerulean arch]

lol

[sage heart]

And have been corrected by multiple ppl already

[cerulean arch]

show me ur dimm temps

[sage heart]

Im done chatting with you

I mean Im done chatting with chatgpt

[cerulean arch]

watch like 10 hours of buildzoid and let him explain to you how rare 3200mclk 2200 fclk actually is even on single rank

or maybe you are better than him in oc so you should make a youtube channel

[heady hazel]

this memory overclocking shit is serious huh? insert gif here

[cerulean arch]

its like one of the least rewarding ocs you can do but its fun

but gain/time invested is horrible

[heady hazel]

i personaly dont see the reason to minmax ram at that scale, given that the gain is not that good compared to a small gpu overclock

[steady sail]

just break the OC WR its better

[ashen spindle]

gpu/cpu oc will mostly get you higher average fps, memory oc mostly is there to make your 1% fps dips more stable

[sage heart]

The gain is way bigger than people think, people look at max fps and forget about 0.1% and 1% lows

[cerulean arch]

i agree

i said gain/time invested

gains can be huge

[ashen spindle]

especially if you are running at or above your monitors refresh rate, going higher doesnt do much most times, but upping your lows is noticeable there

[sage heart]

The 0.1% and 1% lows is where your frame stability and frame smoothness comes from

This is where your ram makes the biggest impact on a system

[cerulean arch]

no shit chat gpt

[heady hazel]

i mean the time spent vs reward on a gpu overclock is likely still way more worth it

[steady sail]

time to spend $10k on ram to get a golden sample

[ashen spindle]

ehh not really, because if you get 5% more from your gpu but your dips stay, you often didn't get a better experience

[sage heart]

Quin gets it

[ashen spindle]

if anything increasing your average by keeping the dips makes it look better on the number but feels worse to play

granted if you are below your screens refresh rate you still have a gain

[sage heart]

I have a 540hz 1440p oled

So the gains are big for me

Its night and day in tracking and flicking

[fair gull]

that gets you like no ram at all

[steady sail]

true

[sage heart]

Youre better off buying an elon musk space flight

[steady sail]

time to make a fake AI company

[sage heart]

Talk to that fip guy

He can help

[cerulean arch]

mad

[steady sail]

i mean i don't care about OC'ing my stuff

[heady hazel]

i mainly do light gpu overclocking, for cpu its not really worth the hassle to me , i get folks want to min max stuff all day but sometimes id rather have a stable pc than one that runs 5% faster

[cerulean arch]

i think @sage heart should take over buildzoids yt channel and teach that noob how to do real ocs

chat gpt ram oc

[ashen spindle]

what is your issue my guy

[cerulean arch]

misinformation mostly

[ashen spindle]

okay mr 11 cores get downbinned to 8

[cerulean arch]

my mistake

see how easy that is to admit? thats the difference

[ashen spindle]

and he hasnt said anything false? at best you two disagree how difficult 3200mclk is to hit

[cerulean arch]

its not a disagreement he just spouted nonsense

you cant just buy a "golden sample ram kit"

[sage heart]

You just didnt understand

I cant help you

[lunar elm]

allat just to get fucked by amd imc

[cerulean arch]

i understood perfectly

[heady hazel]

i mean at this point , you are in luck when you got ram in the first place so vendors will throw whatever ram chips they can get on the modules, i remember when samsung b die was the shit

[ashen spindle]

no you still get basically the same ram dies for certain bins

[lunar elm]

now samsung is the fart

[ashen spindle]

price doesnt change which dies can hit what timings at jedec/expo settings

[heady hazel]

nah but buying the same ram kit will give you different chip vendors on there ever since covid hit

[steady sail]

i mean i don't think there is any DDR4 golden samples out there

[lunar elm]

idk i think my friend has some taobao 4k kit that he ran up to 4400 on his best intel sample

he has exploded like 5 or more 13900KF/14900KFs now

[steady sail]

yeah i don't have that kind of money

[lunar elm]

his latest 14900KF sample he used got hardblocked at like 3800, failing 4000 but somehow booting 4200 (not stable)

[cerulean arch]

this is just wrong lol

[heady hazel]

same ram kit, the nanya ones i got as a replacement from corsair

[lunar elm]

he RMA’d his shit more times than the amt of times ive went overseas

https://klipy.com/gifs/arknights-texas-2

[sage heart]

A golden sample depends on objectives, i explained my objectives

[cerulean arch]

not really

a true golden sample for am5 is 3300mclk 2200 fclk thats the actual true sweetspot

[ashen spindle]

tell him to run minecraft servers, that breaks raptor lake faster than anything else

[cerulean arch]

and that shit is like winning the lottery

[cerulean arch]

you said 3200 2200 is eassy

just buy a golden sample bro

[sage heart]

Buying a ram kit that is rated for 6000mt/s will not likely overclock to 8000mt/s. The same company, selling the same kit except at 8000mt/s is selling a higher binned ram kit

[lunar elm]

dude sold his D4 Z790 board and he just got his 14900KF from intel so he literally has nothing to use it with

[cerulean arch]

yes

[lunar elm]

rn he’s using some 10 dollar xeon from taobao lmao

[cerulean arch]

higher binned is not a golden sample

[sage heart]

You can downclock an 8000 mt/s to 6400

[heady hazel]

a more reliable intel product than their recent offerings

[sage heart]

And axhieve 3200/3200/2200 much easier

Than buying a 6400 mt/s kit

And trying the same

[lunar elm]

he is being hella bottlenecked on FH6 with his 4080 lmao

[sage heart]

What is hard

[lunar elm]

his xeon tops like 4.6ghz

[heady hazel]

fh6 is pretty well optimised , but yeah it hits my 5900x pretty hard on a 3080 so yeah i imagine that

[sage heart]

So in essence with objectives, achieving this 3200/3200/2200 “golden sample” is not as hard

You get what you pay for

Im paying for a higher clocked and binned ram chip, and downclocking it to achieve 3200/3200/2200 and tightening timings

Which in the games i play

Give me a significant benefit

[lunar elm]

hes aiming for novalake and begging for it asap

[cerulean arch]

show me you achieving 3200 2200 1/1

[sage heart]

I cant break it down any more than that

[heady hazel]

is intel even viable at this point? its funny how the tables turned now intel is amd in bulldozer and piledriver times

[ashen spindle]

for next gen? we dont know till products are out

for current gen? intel is like the best option bar a 9800x3d-like cpu

[lunar elm]

I actually prefer dailying a ARL system over my Zen 5 system if not for the lacking single threaded perf X3D provides and smokes intel in