🔌│tech

[pale sigil]

I got the 9800x3d for £240-300 so kinda have leeway

Not really, just kinda surprised 4 ports are usb 2

With my requirements the cheapest mobo is £89

[ashen spindle]

which one would that be? cheapest I see on pcp is 92

[warm ore]

It's important to remember that it's also an investment, you aren't just buyin ramen to consume and never see again, so might worth thinking like if you would expand in the future.
Also for example a PSU is probably the most important investment in a system because they are the component you will keep the longest, so for example slightly overspeccing that within reasonable budget is a clever move.

[ashen spindle]

its not a clever move when there is no reason for it though

spending more for future potentials that might as well make you get an entirely new pc isnt making much sense

[pale sigil]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/qbRnTW/msi-pro-b840m-b-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-b840m-b

[warm ore]

Like lets say in the future you are scaling your CPU and GPU, the more serious they are the more power they consume and the hotter they get, but if you though about those eventual needs now, you won't have to buy a PSU again.

[pale sigil]

Tbf I had my current one for over 5 years

[ashen spindle]

we're talking about a board choice not PSU at this point

[pale sigil]

The main reason I'm switching is because am4 and 5600x struggling lol

[warm ore]

Perfect example i had an AX860 that lasted 10 years, didn't really need that wattage back then, but by the end of it's shelf life it was reasonable.

[ashen spindle]

b840 is renamed A620, you want b650/b850

[pale sigil]

I'm just showing what was the cheapest tbf haha

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#m=8,27&f=7&N=1,12&c0=1x2500&E=2,7&sort=price&page=1

[ashen spindle]

thats why I gave you a link that only had the right board options, on that list https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/csxxFT/asus-prime-b650m-r-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-prime-b650m-r would be the cheapest one then

[pale sigil]

That looks kinda

Ehhhh

[warm ore]

When it comes to the mobo there is not as much of a future investment as the PSU, but you can still think ahead with it.
A solid power delivery/VRM for anything above the x7xx CPUs, your current I/O needs plus getting a few more or bigger spec slots for future expansion, the chipset benefits and finally the internals with the same mentality.
Thats how i would approach it.

[pale sigil]

And that back io is bad

I'm barely saving with that vs the tuf one

[ashen spindle]

yeah the tuf is fine

dont need to get through every step but thats how you find a board, you find the min specs, sort by price, and only go higher if there is a reason for it

it even would fully work with a 9950x at full power if you ever want to upgrade so you got your future proofing with that

[pale sigil]

Boy am I glad flashback is common now

[warm ore]

You also have the B850M TuF, you still save 30GBP there, but has identical components as the Strix, I/O and internals up to your discretion

[pale sigil]

I'll have to update the bios to work with the 9800 prob

[warm ore]

and thats just ASUS we have looked at

[ashen spindle]

the way you should be wording it is that you get to pay 60 pound more than the b650 option for no benefit to him

[pale sigil]

So like

[ashen spindle]

paying 50% more just to have things you dont need doesnt make much sense, so just stick with the b650m tuf

[pale sigil]

I'm not trying to save money really, it's more of a semi logical approach.

If I was spending 200 I'd be in to spend the 120

But if something is 130 vs 230 and it's just as good then it would just make sense to go with 130

[warm ore]

That was my exact understanding too

[ashen spindle]

yes the logcial approach is no need to spend money if you dont need it

theres no benefit for him to go with something more than the b650m

[warm ore]

We are talking about budget no matter which board above really and saving less than 100 GBP

Ofcourse you can always spend that later down the line and make the money

[pale sigil]

I would have gone with the rog, I only started to second guess it when a few people said don't waste money

Haha

[warm ore]

People always do that anywhere, because they care more about your money than you do, it's common

I think theres reasonable ways to cut corners and proper approaches to it all

You would probably be wasting money if you went with the shiniest X870, but we are talking about budget category and B chipset boards here only.
I didn't even try to bring up X because i noticed roughly what price you are trying to go with.

[pale sigil]

I've always disliked B being considered budget

Tbh

[ashen spindle]

point is the TUF has all you need and can do all you need even if you ugprade on it

[warm ore]

Depends on the understanding of the word, it doesn't necessarily mean you are getting alot less, but the price/value makes it so.

There are many very capable B chipset boards, i have two bookmarked that are very competent, even for OC and not necessarily expensive.

[pale sigil]

But ye my rog strix bias is because of what I have rn, it's comforting sticking with what you have, if I went full ATX I could get strix significantly cheaper lol

[warm ore]

I think considering what you just said, the lowest i would go is TUF, and i don't see much reason to go previous chipset.
Unless when you double check your needs (with some future expandability in mind) and/or you really have to save money.

Maybe you don't need many things one board has to offer, we can't really tell you, it's really up to you.

[ashen spindle]

previous chipset or not doesnt really matter since its basically all the same

no difference in chipset link to cpu

same hardware used for the pch

[pale sigil]

https://www.currys.co.uk/products/msi-b650m-gaming-plus-wifi-am5-motherboard-10262737.html

There's also this one

[ashen spindle]

works too, basically the same

has what you need, supports any other cpu at max wattage etc.

are you just doing the usual of going to look for 5 more models and not decide on one or are you going to grab one of the two

[pale sigil]

One of the two

for now

[ashen spindle]

well now you know at what prices you get everything you need so grab whatever you want around there

[pale sigil]

The msi one is also appealing because currys are refunding the difference if it goes on sale for black Friday

[ashen spindle]

then get it

[ashen spindle]

I have everthing so way ahead of you

[crystal mesa]

anyone know the key cap sizes of the wooting 80HE jis version?

[feral ridge]

hi, given ram prices are skyrocketing, and most likely ssd will increase a bit too in price, should i buy ram and ssd right now? context is i would build a pc next year most likely but the ram kit i was looking at went from 240$ to 465$ in 1 month

[ashen spindle]

no because if you say next year depending on when that might be new hardware is out and the kit you would want isnt the same anymore anyway

[feral ridge]

even tho its pretty high tier

[whole bramble]

you can buy them next year

prices will probably have gone down by then

[feral ridge]

i was thinking of getting 64gb ram 6000mhz and that shit doubled in price

[whole bramble]

as demand increases yadiyada

[feral ridge]

hmm

[ashen spindle]

wel l yeah 6000MT/s might not be what you want for whats out next year

[tribal dirge]

Unless the AI companies keep buying up all the RAM

[feral ridge]

thats what im scared of

[ashen spindle]

so you'd buy the wrong kit in advance for no reason potentially

[feral ridge]

bum ahh ai companies messing up my shi

[feral ridge]

hmm

[tribal dirge]

Yeah

[whole bramble]

try finding the ram second hand

[tribal dirge]

Used ram is iffy

[feral ridge]

tried looking on ebay but dont really trust it

[whole bramble]

i disagree

[feral ridge]

ik used ssd's are a no go idk about ram

[ashen spindle]

like you might want 7200 for amd or intel next gen and both of them are likely to launch new stuff during next year

[whole bramble]

ive never heard of a ram stick breaking

all ram ive bought 2nd hand has bern fine

[feral ridge]

damn already??

[whole bramble]

besides, buyer protections exist

check fb marketplace

[ashen spindle]

I mean if you do proper tuning you already can get 8000MT/s on amd and same on intel better than stock XMP

[tribal dirge]

Base or with XMP/EXPO?

[ashen spindle]

we dont know

[tribal dirge]

7200 base would be amazing

[ashen spindle]

jedec goes up to 8800MT in the spec

[tribal dirge]

But it would also be hard to Cauz the DIMM interface adds limitations to how high of a transfer rate you can use

[whole bramble]

imo wait. its more likely price is going to drop

[umbral heron]

Supply will meet demand and price will go down

[tribal dirge]

That's the hope at least

[feral ridge]

alr imma just gamble and wait

time to pray

[whole bramble]

safe bet

[warm ore]

Depends what it really is and what can be expected to happen to it. That increase you marked there is insane, it suggests shortage or rarity. But black november just started, there will be sales all month long, we don't know how it affects the exact SKU you want.

[fair gull]

bit the bullet on the wireview pro 2 after confirming with the technical drawings that it should fit in reverse direction (and somewhat confirming with support)

[wheat plume]

WIndows is asking me if I wanna install the update that has the broken Task Manager 😅

[ashen spindle]

why are you even in the insider branch...

[wheat plume]

im not

Im dual booting, dont wanna risk an update fucking up my boot loader

[fair gull]

preview updates are insiders updates

[wheat plume]

even have a local account cause I dont wanna log inn

[ashen spindle]

since when are preview updates not part of the insider program anymore

[fair gull]

since never

[wheat plume]

dont see how im on Insider builds cause i dont have a microsoft account enabled

[fair gull]

well preview updates are insiders updates

[wheat plume]

🤔

[steady sail]

uhm note the task managed bug is fixed

[fair gull]

pepega windows started shipping preview updates to non insiders a week before cumulative updates it seems

gg

[steady sail]

yeah

i got that update as well

[wheat plume]

🤦‍♀️ Bet Copilot made that choicve

[fair gull]

this company and os is so doomed

[ashen spindle]

ah so its preview updates, the others are insider preview updates

[steady sail]

time to invest into Linux

[nimble arch]

[ashen spindle]

I mean if the issue got fixed then its fine that it suggests you the update

[steady sail]

atleast i dont have that taskmanager issue knocks on wood

[wheat plume]

39gb fortnite update...WTAF

[fair gull]

knock knock its new skins to sink money into

[nimble arch]

The Simpsons

[wheat plume]

XXD

I love having a 1440p display.... fits so much on it at once <3 <3

[nimble arch]

Me but 4K

42" 4K with 100% UI scaling

[wheat plume]

Nah, 4k gives me eye strain ;-;

[nimble arch]

[wheat plume]

100% scaling is the only true way

[ashen spindle]

4k gives me eye strain
wat

[wheat plume]

hurts my eyes and I get headache

[tribal kelp]

4k with native scaling is so beautiful. Might not be the best for competitive fps, but I still love it.

[wheat plume]

yeh it is :D but I cant look at it for too long

[halcyon moss]

Why.

Is the text to small?

Set the appropriate scaling

[wheat plume]

not sure why but its the same experience I get when using a CRT TV / monitor too

[ashen spindle]

higher resolution doesnt cause eye strain, if you use too small font but thats the same as if you use smaller scale on full hd

[wheat plume]

im not saying thats the cause, idk what it is

[ashen spindle]

now if the 4k screen uses other tech like oled and you are susceptible to pwm flickering that can cause it

[ashen spindle]

you quite literally said it was the cause though

[wheat plume]

I said 4k monitors that I Have seen IRL give me eye strain and headaches, the same effects that CRTs give me too and CRTs are not 4k

so its not strictly the resolution

[ashen spindle]

unless im blind you quite literally did not say all that here though?

[wheat plume]

I said 4k gives me eye strain, yes

I never said anything about the resolution

except 4k maybe

but idk what the cause is

[lyric hatch]

[ashen spindle]

.. is there another metric that 4K refered to there aside from resolution?

[fair gull]

price of the tv

which i get why it would cause eye strain

[wheat plume]

im adding the fact that CRTs are not always 4k, certainly not the ones ive used in person, and they also give me eye strain and headache, so it happening with 4k monitors is not purely just about the res

[tribal kelp]

Sounds like a brightness issue.

Brightness or color temperature.

[wheat plume]

maybe, I tend to prefer lower brightness and warmer color

Sometimes the red on high res TVs is way way too oversaturated

or orange too

[tribal kelp]

Also reduce HDR settings or don't use HDR

You should probably do a windows monitor calibration for your preferences.

[wheat plume]

my monitor only has HDR 400, which is a fake spec XD so I keep it off

Need to figure out how to enable VRR in Windows, I think you need the GPU driver software cause I cant see it in Display Settings

aha

[lyric hatch]

CRTs are never 4k
It's most likely you're either sitting too close to a TV/monitor or something with a low PWM on an OLED or any type of flickering really

[wheat plume]

I heard about flickering on OLED yeah, it can happen on phones too but I think I got lucky with the phones ive had cause I didnt see flickering with them

[tribal kelp]

General rule of thumb for PC monitor is about a full arms's length (or more) away and top bezel at your eye height.

[wheat plume]

oh mine is slightly too high then

Lucky it got an adjustable stand..my last one didnt, had to prop it up on some books .-.

[tribal kelp]

Humans can look down easily with their eyeballs, so having our eyes level with the top is the least eyestrain.l as a default placement.

Looking up requires head movement or less common eye movement upward which is undesirable.

[wheat plume]

oo

[tribal kelp]

I run my monitors at least a full arm's length away, and depending on dot pitch, if I can still see an individual pixel, I push it farther out until I just barely can't discern an individual pixel distinctly.

[wheat plume]

if I sit up, its more than an arm away

[halcyon moss]

Actually not true with big screens I think 27 inch is right at the border

[wheat plume]

thats the size of mine...

how do I remove this useless "Home" section in the settings?

[halcyon moss]

Why

[wheat plume]

is useless

[halcyon moss]

Just leave it?

[wheat plume]

it just keeps begging me to log in to OneDrive and buy Office

[halcyon moss]

Or are you in settings every hour?

[ashen spindle]

wtf are you doing that you see the settings start page more than once a month

[crimson wigeon]

What do you expect from someone who's always trying out new distros and shit

[wheat plume]

LOL wow ok didnt know it was this much

[halcyon moss]

Yeah I'm not sure why she's in windows at all

[wheat plume]

Windows Updates were 21GB.... dafuq

[wheat plume]

sis wants to play fortnite with me....

so I need Windows to play it or I risk getting my account banned playing it on Linux

[halcyon moss]

Then just use it as a fortnite launcher

[wheat plume]

I do, pretty much

I did have to install Forza 5 on here too cause it didnt want to run on Linux cause apparently the file path was too long .-.

[unkempt lake]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

[blissful halo]

https://youtu.be/Iv7BYURURRI?si=O3xWmGu6Q_3RFBb0

Ain’t no way…

[pale sigil]

I would never.

Im very good at choosing stuff

[warm ore]

So did you choose mobo yet? :)

[pale sigil]

No

[warm ore]

:(

[pale sigil]

Probably the Asus one

Tbh

It's 160 ATM but one store has it on offer for 130

So I'll probably get it but the msi one is quite nice too

[warm ore]

i want Galax board, but same quality as their GPUs, probably never

[pale sigil]

However when I can be bothered I'll check all internal ports efc

If only ASRock weren't burning CPUs

And gigabyte weren't shit

[unkempt lake]

I gave you... plenty of afforable choices that meet all your criterias

[warm ore]

AssC*ck has not much to offer on low end you wouldn't already find on other models, i would safely exclude it from thought

[pale sigil]

Twas a joke

One of the ones you suggested is my top choice rn lol

[unkempt lake]

yes

and i also have that one in nico's pc

I can confirm it is good

[pale sigil]

I will say, if I cared about looks and and had a glass panel that rog would be a no brainer

It's so pretty

[warm ore]

glad you don't tbh, people with visual bias that comes at the cost of characteristics are the hardest to help

[wheat plume]

how does Firefox, Discord, Steam and Epic take up 16GB RAM????? wtf

[pale sigil]

I stopped caring about it ages ago, I did that for my current build and it took a week before I got over it and turned off all the LEDs lol

[pale sigil]

Reserved ram

[wheat plume]

huh?

[warm ore]

i still do at times, but never at the cost of performance

so i will gladly have something that does better than looks good

its cool when there is balance or crossover ofc

[fair gull]

ram that is reserved to quickly decompress OS, DE, Kernel whatever resources into or put stuff there if needed.

[warm ore]

red is "reserved", what they see above is the black "in use"

[ashen spindle]

man how many times have we had to explain windows ram usage at this point

[lyric hatch]

Ram is reserved when not in use to keep things like tabs active so when you're switching between them it's instant. If you have something open that requires ram it will give up that share it was caching

[fair gull]

most of the reserved ram is OS reserved so it doesnt just have no ram to do stuff when you need it to

[fickle ore]

Reserved is fine but compressed nahh

[reef patrol]

RAM Doublers intensify

[marsh glade]

Just download more

[wheat plume]

Still cant access UEFI or Boot Menu with my 60HE
but my wireless dongle using keyboard can but I have to hold FN while pressing F2 or F12

[reef patrol]

BIOS probably doesn't support nKRO*

[fair gull]

or lana presses too early

[zenith silo]

Never had issues for me 🤷

Spam fn backspace works every time

[wheat plume]

hmmm

[ashen spindle]

shutdown /r /fw

or systemctl reboot --firmware-setup

[fair gull]

or rm -rf --no-preserve-root /

[reef patrol]

Remember the good old days when Windows gave you a fraction of a second to go into recovery mode - without force resetting 3 times 😄

[bright briar]

[whole bramble]

This guy techs

[supple kindle]

Just bought the wooting 80 keyboard, work good until i tried to download rgb drivers for it, because of the metered connection thing it couldn't download it and now my keyboard just has the E and R keys light up the wooting app is not able to detect my device, does any one have a fix?

[whole bramble]

💀

[reef patrol]

Click help on the left side of the Wootility window and follow instructions

[wheat plume]

RGB drivers?

[halcyon moss]

Wat?

[reef patrol]

Bogos binted?

[bright briar]

where you download rgb drivers from?

did you use wootility or a third party app?

[steady sail]

someone sells a Asus Rog Ally Z1 Extreme for 390€

[umbral heron]

Get it, put Bazzite on it, happy

I love Steam Deck for one reason though - touchpads, I use them in so many games

[steady sail]

I mean im still looking at steam decks as well

[fossil otter]

yo guys, you're still supposed to be able to have static keyboard coloring with tachyon mode active yeah?

[umbral heron]

Sure

[fossil otter]

any reason why i'm not getting colors?

i used to have before

[umbral heron]

Unplug - wait 5 sec - plug back in, usually helps with keyboard mishaps
If not check how RGB is set up in Wootility

[fossil otter]

alright thank u :D

[steady sail]

Idk if the LCD steam deck would worth it

[umbral heron]

Better colors and 90fps screen is nice
But I use my LCD one all the time for emulation too

OLED has became a indie game machine at this point

[fossil otter]

fixed it... idk how i didn't just try replugging the keyboard

[umbral heron]

Yeah, we usually miss the simplest stuff
Glad it works again

[steady sail]

I mean if i can emulate/play some PSP/PS2/XBOX games i would love that

With atleast 30-45fps

[umbral heron]

Not sure how it goes with Xenia and Xbox games, but PSP and PS2 emulators work beautifully, easy stable 60fps

[nimble arch]

Just use the OLED for everything?

[umbral heron]

OLED is my playing ground for bleeding-edge stuff, so if something breaks no biggie, just reflash and happy
LCD is on stable and used with my emulators and non-Steam games, where I don't want to lose saves in case something breaks

[wheat plume]

Should it not be the other way around cause games look so much better on OLED?

[umbral heron]

Yeah, so OLED are Steam games, because saves are saved in cloud, so no worries if something happens

[wheat plume]

Aha right

[bright briar]

@unkempt lake

[lyric hatch]

You reckon they have enough money now to hire PR staff that know what they're doing

[unkempt lake]

https://www.reddit.com/r/radeon/s/VZGholWtPi

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-gif-5057861

2nd one this week on the amd side

[sudden imp]

I do see the benefit of the connector with ITX cases

As a single cable makes it easier but couldn’t you achieve similar wattage needed from a 12vhpwr with 2 8 pins on full load?

[unkempt lake]

What's the point if it breaks

[lunar elm]

8 pins are rated for 150w, they can do 250w tho

iirc*

12vhpwr is completely optional for AMD intfp

[tribal kelp]

no idea why anyone with an AMD GPU would want 12VHPWR unless PSU gave no other choice (which seems highly unlikely right now)

[unkempt lake]

People just glaze over the nitro+ because omg look the cable looks so clean

[tribal kelp]

I'll take good old reliable not melting (regardless of cause) 8 pin over 12 v HPWR given the choice.

5090 FE gave me no choice

[unkempt lake]

Literally this is why people buy this one model on purpose

revolution

so stupid

[tribal kelp]

oof, not sure I like that cable bend stressing th econnector

[lunar elm]

I UV’d and PL my aorus master lmao

not that it has that much UV room anyway

stock aorus master curve 75% PL gets the FE’s clocks

[tribal kelp]

FE is just nice and small

[lunar elm]

I want a FE for my FormD T1

[tribal kelp]

it's an amazingly well-designed thermal solution to get 5090 base clocks in a 2 slot

[lunar elm]

Also the fact blasting 600w into my room isnt fun at all

the FE has a hella overbuilt cooler to achieve 2 slots 600w

iirc its a 3 layer PCB

[tribal kelp]

it's an amazing thermal solution

truly a masterclass in thermal engineering / design

tiny PCB, flow-through on either side, needed liquid metal. skimped a bit on ram cooling though

[lunar elm]

my aorus master has some hybrid compound of LM and TP, has loads of it- I’m not gonna need to replace it by the time I sell lmao

[frozen drift]

Does it really make your room more hot?

[lunar elm]

the heat needs to be dispersed elsewhere

600w of it is alot to be dispersed

[tribal kelp]

all PCs do, the laws of thermodynamics can't be circumvented

As an example

[halcyon moss]

A traditional small space heater is 1000w

[tribal kelp]

when gaming, my system averages about 500-600W continuous use. Power efficient, it is not.

[bright briar]

isnt it the worst place to have the cable too

https://tenor.com/view/pc-overload-computer-overheat-in-fire-gif-7521895808184892476

[tribal kelp]

It's not great, that's for sure.

Proper cable slack, no tension or torsion on the connector.

I'm too lazy to open RGB (every single boot cycle) to disable the nvidia lights, so painters tape with electrical tape over that is my physical solution. 😄

[tribal dirge]

Lmao my 5090 pc heats my room for me when I play games

[tribal dirge]

I like to keep it on! Looks asthetic

[tribal kelp]

my shit's blacked out pretty much

[lunar elm]

honestly same for my AIO

[tribal kelp]

oh my AIO is blacked out

[whole bramble]

i love the fan

[lunar elm]

the aorus master fans are goated

although not integrated, i like that the fan is optional

[whole bramble]

no the fan on yop og the gpu

[lunar elm]

i know

I wish they made a better “hole” to drop the fan onto

it looks cool but on some cases it’ll block the USB header

Mine gets blocked if I have the rubber straps on

[tribal kelp]

heh

meanwhile I'm like, "DOWN WITH RGB! HISS! Get off my RGB lawn."

[lunar elm]

honestly a pure light RGB is nice

it tells you that something inside is active

i wouldnt put the painter’s tape over- the lighting gives you something to appreciate and isnt puke

[tribal kelp]

There's a little white LED rim around my power switch which is solid on when the PC is on, blinking when the PC is in sleep, and off when the PC is off. That's all I need. And it's because my glass sided case is to my right, and if I don't cover that light up I get the nvidia light really bright in my peripheral.

[lunar elm]

I see, thats your style, I gave my opinion/take on it

[tribal kelp]

5090 be very bright

[lunar elm]

I too would probably turn off all the lights if i went with a all black PC

https://tenor.com/view/takumi-blind-attack-shinji-final-stage-ae86-gif-25686146

[ashen spindle]

Do I ask if this one also uses the adapter since then all AMD side issue came from adapters potentially or does that get turned into something I never said again

[old marlin]

Looks like it

[lunar elm]

the adapters are known to suck anyway so bleh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/381193840159358976/1429172046046433390/IMG_7512.gif

[umbral heron]

Where are we on Ferrari circle in 2025

[tribal kelp]

the middle of the circle of "Never gonna own one."

[lunar elm]

you are never gonna see me own any supercar even if I had the money

ok, LFA’s the exception

[umbral heron]

F1 Ferrari circle

No way I would ever want to get a super car

[nimble arch]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-happydance-f1-formula1-vettel-gif-5890255

[lunar elm]

shitboxes ftw

[tribal kelp]

I'll get a 911 long before anything with a horse or a bull on the badge.

Well, I guess Porsche also has a horse...

[ashen spindle]

would be really funny if in the end they just made a not up to spec adapter

[tribal kelp]

And then told you that you were confused about the spec

[devout raptor]

https://youtu.be/4qN130ySBqE?si=LjBvmkuWrCZMgTyZ

holy smokes this guy is an artist

[tribal kelp]

And a masochist, choosing copper.

[reef patrol]

I love and hate builds like that. Several of those pipe runs aren't angled perfectly, and that pisses me off 😄

Case in point.

[tribal kelp]

The material pisses me off.

The corrosion on that is going to be horrendous.

Complete nightmare to maintain.

[umbral heron]

https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/29/microsoft_earnings_q1_26_openai_loss/

[reef patrol]

What corosion?

[halcyon moss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw4fDU18RcU

just use expensive hardware to run your own datacenter!

[reef patrol]

I mean.. yeah kind of? That way you think more about the real costs of each prompt.

[analog sinew]

it will be profitable soon trust

[umbral heron]

Is it really your AI gf if you don't host her model locally?

[reef patrol]

Got a point there. 😄

Can't wait for those sites like Candy AI to fuck up in some way, purging everyone's memories. Mass exodus and outrage.

[umbral heron]

People were already pissed with GPT-5 release

[analog sinew]

yea was about to say that

[halcyon moss]

gpt5 is awesome for coding

[reef patrol]

Oh did stuff not transfer over? Ouch 😄

[halcyon moss]

no. it has a different "personality"

[reef patrol]

[rough osprey]

isnt chatgpt itself competing with them soon

[halcyon moss]

and llms need the entire context every query

[umbral heron]

It's not as cordial with you
Keeps your relationship professional only

[halcyon moss]

llms themselves have no state

[tribal kelp]

Brass, aluminum, steel, and copper, all in electrical contact and a moist environment.

[reef patrol]

That's uh... that's not how watercooling works. You need direct contact, and he's not mixing incompatible metals.

[tribal kelp]

Dissimilar metals in electrical contact = something becomes the sacrificial anode.

The water is in the copper which is fine

It's the exterior that's the issue.

[reef patrol]

No?

[umbral heron]

Gotta catch all sources of revenue
Can't wait for OnlyModels website where everyone is posting their own fine-tuned AI gf and earn money off of other people jorking to it
Ah, the beauty of the Internet

[halcyon moss]

looks at copper tube in basement

[halcyon moss]

its already happening.

[umbral heron]

Yeah, but didn't hit mainstream quite yet

[tribal kelp]

The rass has zinc in it, and zinc loves to be an anode, and it's in contact on the interior of the reservoir.

So that alone, is an issue.

Aluminum is not a problem since it's only on the fans.

Steel seems to only be the gauges which are going to be fine. Probably.

But that reservoir is going to have issues.

[reef patrol]

[tribal kelp]

He's just going to have to maintain the corrosion inhibitors.

Using the nickel fittings and poly tubes fun a normal kit where everything is poly or nickel (or copper that's not at all in contact with the other metals) is so much easier to deal with than brass and copper together in physical contact.

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnnMh2YRJ70
Oh boye.

[analog sinew]

i imagine the first few weeks the smell when it gets hot is gonna be... interesting

[reef patrol]

Hah indeed. But their entire workshop is full of DIY project. I doubt it'll change the smells 😄

[analog sinew]

probably

[reef patrol]

Case in point.

Or her office. They do a bunch of small and big DIY projects. I bet there's a constant lingering smell of glue, 3D printers and woodworking 😄

[halcyon moss]

those stairs 😮

[analog sinew]

the paintjob makes the wood look rendered lol

[marsh glade]

Nerdforge is amazing

[tribal kelp]

Sheesh

[reef patrol]

Hah yeah... 😄

[marsh glade]

Their "bookcase backalley" is really cool also

A series of mirrors creating a view behind the books

[vapid ruin]

actually that kinda already happen. There's a lot of website where people can pay fixed amount a month to roleplay with AI as character posted to the website

[tribal kelp]

Why do folks put biocide in systems with massive amounts of copper?

[lunar elm]

Its expensive for the average person, cheap compared to businesses

[umbral heron]

https://www.computerworld.com/article/4059383/openai-admits-ai-hallucinations-are-mathematically-inevitable-not-just-engineering-flaws.html '

[nimble arch]

Hasn’t this been posted here before or am I also hallucinating?

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-surprise-mf-can't-prove-it-gif-7408854170742055240

[umbral heron]

If it was I blame Discord search

[graceful wedge]

DO U GUYS KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS?

ITS MICROCENTER TIME AGAIN SOON

[nimble arch]

The source might’ve been different but we’ve absolutely had the discussion before.

Thus it’s still a repost.

[umbral heron]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-bite-gif-25923605

[nimble arch]

No, no biting.

[vapid ruin]

It's nice for roleplaying with AI

since you can have the AI make up new stuff along the way even if it didn't exist.

[analog sinew]

🤢

[umbral heron]

I have people from a certain keyboard Discord server for that

[analog sinew]

staff furry rp

[vapid ruin]

I hope OAI do their work and make GPT 5.1 or something more uncensored

[umbral heron]

OnlyGPT

[devout raptor]

https://youtu.be/jUUyRNADVA4?si=BqSvuukK7D9pqYvq

this wasnt as cool as the copper one

had to stop watching after he said navidia

[fair gull]

understandablen youd not watch someone who cant pronounce nvidia

[umbral heron]

[crimson wigeon]

Ah shit, here we go again

[analog sinew]

ah thats why shit is laggy

reddit and several other sites are already shitting it again

[frozen drift]

https://youtu.be/797z_9KzmIs

This is actually so weird/interesting at the same time. Using a hybrid of traditional mechanical switches and omnipoint HE switches. I know it's 2 years old already and the most recent apex pro gen 3 is full HE omnipoint switches but this is so dumb/funny/interesting to me

[umbral heron]

Using "hybrid" because it's cheaper

[frozen drift]

Yeah but they charged 250 for wireless and 180 for wired. It's so expensive even though it's not a pure HE keyboard. I mean ALL the important keys(except the arrow keys) are HE but still

It's an interesting approach and made me a bit curious. I sometimes have odd obsessions for non-perfect/non-ideal stuff/situations

Honestly I am thinking whether this is something that people care about or not. Like using HE for the important keys but not the function, home/end pg up/dn keys etc. Do people hate it or are okay with it?

And I'm thinking whether this is still a viable/good approach in 2025, even for wooting

Tbh, razer should be the one doing this lol, do analog optical for the main 60% layout and then optical mechanical for the non-important ones. They can save some money that way.

[umbral heron]

I dunno, would leave a bit of sour taste for me, especially since there are now Chinesium boards with all HE switches for $60~$100
Looks like penny-pinching, not a good image for a company

[nimble arch]

If you're selling a $200 keyboard, it better be fully HE.

Not only the keys that matter.

[frozen drift]

Yeah of course

But if you make the non-important ones mechanical and sell for let's say 120 to 140, would people buy it?

[nimble arch]

Probably

[frozen drift]

Oh my god

Steelseries actually still do this in 2024/their latest version and charges 250 for the full-sized keyboard

I thought I was blind but when I saw their apex pro gen 3 in a youtube review video just now, i saw red switches and I thought I was tripping but it's for real

[analog sinew]

anything to cheap out 💪

[frozen drift]

Damn, that's a bit of a sour taste IMO. Wooting can genuinely follow this approach and charge less and people will probably buy it lol

https://support.steelseries.com/hc/en-us/articles/33719007261709-What-type-of-switches-does-Apex-Pro-Gen-3-have

[umbral heron]

Oh, and they soldered them in again

[rough patrol]

Shitseries convo

My friends keep buying their headset

Cause it has some chat mix feature or whatever

But they keep complaining cause it breaks all the time

Just use good headphones instead

[umbral heron]

Razer and Wooting implementing SOCD:
ShitSeries implementing SOCD: so... is still in beta and it's hardcoded to A/D and you can't change it for now

[vapid ruin]

Good headphone with great separation is what he need lmao

[frozen drift]

Oh wtf??? Jesus that's a legit highway robbery, I was thinking HEY I can finally try HE + clicky blue switched but OH lol

I actually thought the reviews for apex pro gen 3 in youtube was good but oh boy lol steelseries

I have used one of their peripherals, the steelseries rival 3 wired mouse. It was pretty OK but the left click died and I bought a basilisk v3 from razer instead.

I really thought people liked the apex pro gen 3 lol. I wonder how does people feel about corsair vanguard 96 pro

[umbral heron]

Headphones with separate mic is a way to go

[leaden kiln]

I think I paid $300 for rubber dome 💪

[frozen drift]

Like membrane keyboard? How?

[frozen drift]

Earphone user here lol

[leaden kiln]

Topre

It has rapid trigger though 💀

[frozen drift]

Whut 💀

[analog sinew]

hows that supposed to work

[rough patrol]

topre rapid trigger seems like something that does not exist

[leaden kiln]

It’s the realforce gx1
I am not sure how it works

[leaden kiln]

They call it dynamic mode but looks like it’s the same thing

[vapid ruin]

feelin this rn, everything is slow

[frozen drift]

man wtf, whatsapp web is down because of amazon web services?

[umbral heron]

2/3 of the whole internet runs on AWS, Azure and Google Cloud

[frozen drift]

Yeah I know but that's so incovenient.

Also, how is this happening tho, like is the cybersecurity just really poor or what is happening?

[umbral heron]

Either DDoS attacks
Or someone deployed vibe coded services in production

[frozen drift]

vibe coded services?

[dull hollow]

@umbral heron where do you see the aws thing

[fair hawk]

Vibe code 😆😆

[umbral heron]

DownDetector

[bitter pagoda]

with the new 60HE v2 am I gonna be able to use my current keycaps I have on my V1?

[vapid ruin]

assuming you don't get the split spacebar, yes

[bitter pagoda]

peak

[unkempt lake]

The ones this month were using the official sapphire adapter, the ones prior to this month were using their own psu side cables

[frozen drift]

https://youtube.com/shorts/1c7sZ8Aww0E wtf 800 USD? for a mech keyboard in 2025?? Asus hello?

[frozen drift]

look at this beautiful initial D clip lol

[halcyon moss]

800.damn

[tribal kelp]

When the "reviewer" confuses "most costly" for "most premium."

[frozen drift]

Like what even is the point of buying an 800 USD mech keyboard. Even for high-end HE there's no way I'm spending that much money

that's GPU LEVEL pricing lol

[tribal kelp]

That's 1080 Ti launch GPU level pricing....

[vapid ruin]

That's actually how much i paid for mine...

[tribal kelp]

would be nice if today's gaming GPUs were actually $800

[frozen drift]

I mean we can still buy RTX 5070 Ti, which is a perfectly fine high mid-tier 4K gaming GPU.

[tribal kelp]

5070 Ti is a perfectly adequate 1440p gaming gpu.

I wouldn't touch 4k with it.

Context:
I don't believe in DLSS or frame generation.
If you can't run it smoothly with native frames, then you're either over-resolution or under-GPU.

[frozen drift]

I mean, if you don't touch 4k with 5070Ti, then the 5080 isn't a much better improvement either. It's a 10-15% performance improvement AFAIK.

[tribal kelp]

(frame generation adds latency, which is bad for fps gaming, and it adds artifacts and weird nonsense which is bad for pretty/immersive games. Frame generation also doesn't fix stutter or over-taxed GPU issues, it is really only of value if you're already running smoothly over 60 fps)

And DLSS is just... ugh...

Why get a 4k monitor only to u pscale 1080p? Why not just run 1080p native?

So yeah... in all of that context, NVIDA can KMA.

[tribal kelp]

if you're insistent on 4k gaming, the only answer is 4090 or 5090 pretty much

[frozen drift]

Lol, then GG for so many people xD.

I mean you can get away with DLSS quality no?

[tribal kelp]

anything else is just fake resolution with fake frames to say "FPS number big, resolution 4k big, big number big."

[frozen drift]

At this point you might as well go with RTX 5060 Ti and upscale from DLSS performance or lower XD

[tribal kelp]

you're not listening

Ignore DLSS
Ignore Frame Generation

What card do you need to run your resolution and settings in that context? This is the optimal system.

[marsh glade]

Use all the tools at your disposal to create the best possible experience for yourself

[tribal kelp]

want to FPS game at 1080p or 1440p low settings for max competitiveness?

There's a huge number of cards that serve these needs without latency adding frame gen or pointless DLSS.

[warm ore]

Quality looks really good, not to mention when you have the overhead to apply DLAA.

[tribal kelp]

DLAA won't have any upscaling, it will only be an anti-aliasing

DLSS will upscale

[frozen drift]

Well you said DLSS performance so I was just saying RTX 5070 Ti is probably capable of running 4k with DLSS quality or at worst balance. Well, if you don't like DLSS/MFG(I understand MFG because of latency and artifacts) then pretty much 4090/5090 are the only capable ones that can run native 4k.

[warm ore]

Well no, the lower end cards having these technologies are nonsense, because they are inadequate to drive reasonable framerates most often than not.

[frozen drift]

Tbh, RTX 5070 Ti can probably run native 4k for like 70-80% of the games, maybe just lower down some settings and we good.

[frozen drift]

I know, I was being sarcastic. Although I've seen youtubers trying 5060 Ti 4k gaming. And cyberpunk 2077 ran surprisingly well. This game is well optimized despite being demanding

[tribal kelp]

3840x2160 pixels is "4k" = 8294400 pixels

DLSS Quality is:
(3840 x 0.66) x (2160 x 0.66) = 2534.4 x 1425.65 = 3613041 pixels

Therefore, DLSS "Quality" is a 43.6% sized image, upscaled by more than 100% to get to 4k.

[marsh glade]

https://youtu.be/dkPPejQXFNo?t=676
Man Tech Jesus has a way with words sometimes

Timestamped for your pleasure

[tribal kelp]

I'd rather just game at 1440p than 4k DLSS quality

[tribal kelp]

This video had me laughing so hard.

[frozen drift]

well I can't argue with that lol. I mean you're right but I would say a bit rigid. Nothing wrong with that at all but yeah.

[tribal kelp]

it's my opinion.

I am biased against DLSS and I hate frame gen.

your mileage may vary

But it's important to understand that 4k DLSS quality is less than 1440p native rendered, then AI upsampled, with all of the issues that creates.

[frozen drift]

yeah like I said, I can't argue with you because you gave all facts and is right but just a bit rigid, which is fine.

[warm ore]

On the other hand you are not wrong that the xx90 cards are the most reasonable to run anything native that is extremely demanding or use those technologies for proper FPS uplifts and/or better visual quality.
But you have to realise this is all done by the NVIDIA monopoly on purpose, xx80 and xx90 tier cards having such a big gap between them that you could fit several SKUs.
It's a very dirty divide and marketing strategy.

[halcyon moss]

I want a 4k.monitor for crisper text. Hell 5k actually.

Dlss upscaling would be great

[tribal kelp]

oh trust me, I absolutely hate what NVIDIA has done in terms of marketing, product segmentation, and their AI focus.

[frozen drift]

are there no option to upscale in between quality and native?

[tribal kelp]

love the technology and cards, hate the company

[tribal kelp]

Nope.

[tribal kelp]

Native
DLAA (which is native + AI antialiasing only, not upsampled)
DLSS Quality
DLSS Balanced
etc.

[warm ore]

But they also have the superior technology that has better visual fidelity and max performance (for what you pay at the high end), so you can't do much against it for now.

[frozen drift]

The gap between 5080 and 5090 is hilariously bad and I fucking don't understand nvidia's problem. It's like isn't the 5090 like 35-40% better than 5080 or some sh*#

Because the 5090 is literally the 5080's die but literally doubled

[tribal kelp]

you'd be better off sourcing a used 4090 than a 5080, in my opinion

[warm ore]

I don't like this dirty business either, but the thing is i'm Enthusiast, i will always buy the best thing, so i will have to choose the evil for the time being.

[frozen drift]

well of course, because the 4090 PERFORMS better than the 5080.

[tribal kelp]

I have a 5090 because I have disposable income and it's the "best" right now and I actually do game at 4k, and I wish it was MORE powerful than it is, to be honest.

[warm ore]

I just explained it, this is on purpose to drive sales and divide customers

[tribal kelp]

but I still get mad at nvidia

[frozen drift]

divide customers in what sense

I'm bad at marketing 🙁

[tribal kelp]

the real purpose of the 5090 is to sell off the chaff that couldn't become the dedicated workstation AI cards...

The 5080 and below is a totally different die.

[warm ore]

Interestingly enough with the 4090 if you go it at a reasonable price, it was the most energy efficient card and the best performance for that release cycle.

You would think it's one of the lower tier SKUs, always found that funny.

[tribal kelp]

ignoring the insane scalping and inflationary launch pricing, the 4090 was probably the best generational improvement since the 1080 Ti

[frozen drift]

Tbh, the next gen 6090 will be a huge improvement but not the best either. If AMD doesn't fuck up(which they most likely will), AMD can produce something that matches or wins the 6090 because they are using a better process node (2 nm vs 3 nm).

[ashen spindle]

no

they are both on 3nm

[tribal kelp]

sadly, 5090 is literally just 25% more frames than 4090 with 25% more pricing than 4090

[frozen drift]

Hmmmm

[tribal kelp]

oh are they sharing the same configuration and 5080 is actually a cut down 5090 with features disabled? The physical split is at 5070 and below? I need to learn to read.

I thought 5080 was totally separate.

oh wait you're talking about theoretical 6090 stuff

[ashen spindle]

what no I'm talking about 60 series and rdna5

[tribal kelp]

yeah sorry, I am the dumb

[warm ore]

People that can and always have paid for high end cards will continue to do so, even with the price increases, big gains for NVIDIA.
People that were getting by with more reasonably priced cards will start to get slightly lower models or instead of a xx80 card, going with xx70s and xx70ti, while the prices for those tiers have also increased, but the generational performance slightly, and when compared to the top tier offering, the price to performance value because of that artificial gap making everything but xx90 terrible.

[lyric hatch]

Rumour is AMD makes their AI accelerator 2nm and the rest of the gpu will be 3nm

[umbral heron]

Can I buy GPU without AI accelerator?

[ashen spindle]

thats not even rumors thats confirmed by amd

[tribal kelp]

let's not kid ourselves, the real gains for NVIDIA were in the blackwell rtx pro 6000 and above cards.

[warm ore]

You are misunderstanding on purpose

Please stop that

[lyric hatch]

No

[ashen spindle]

the instinct cards literally dont have texture units or other hardware needed for graphics rendering

[tribal kelp]

NVIDA isn't getting rich off of 5090s.
They're just recovering silicon that couldn't be used for real AI stuff.

The real money is the datacenter stuff.

[warm ore]

The topic is consumer cards and why that gap exists

and thats why

[umbral heron]

But RDNA5

[tribal kelp]

but the motivation for nvidia on the 5090 isn't to "get rich"

[ashen spindle]

rdna5 looks fine but most likely isnt competing with 6090, they dies are just not large enough

[warm ore]

The segmentation is what makes them money

and that is the result of that strategy

[tribal kelp]

The 5090 is barely profitable as a complete assembly for Nvidia FE direct and also for third parties providing assembled cards. Yes, NVIDIA profits selling the silicon to themselves.

But their huge profits are in the datacenter and Pro 6000 lines.

[warm ore]

it's really not hard to understand

[frozen drift]

isn't it that the RDNA5 is basically UDNA and if their AI cards are using 2 nm then their consumer cards will also follow? I don't know but I see sources from gamermeld(I know they are unreliable) but they added a clip of AMD's people confirming that they are using 2 nm or smtg. Maybe I am wrong then.

[ashen spindle]

udna is not a thing you can ignore that term

[tribal kelp]

H100, H200, B100, B200: This is where the huge money is.

[frozen drift]

lol, then why the f**K would AMD market this term like no tomorrow.

[ashen spindle]

they didnt

and about gamermeld

I know they are unreliable)
no hes literally just repeating what people post online, thats not a source

thats just him repeating points others made

[frozen drift]

but they did mention UDNA no?

[warm ore]

@frozen drift i hope i was able to give a detailed explanation for you to understand, clearly for some people i can't do any better.

[frozen drift]

well this is true.

[ashen spindle]

they mentioned it once months ago and never since and it wasnt an official statement

[frozen drift]

Basically tl;dr, they make the gap between 5090 and 5080 to be really big and make it so that the 5080 is not worth buying if they want high-end stuff so just buy 5090 and profit? Am I understanding it correctly?

[ashen spindle]

the only thing happening is they use similar ISA but thats the same as nvidia does, but blackwell DC and blackwell consumer are completely different dies

[tribal kelp]

The 5080 and 5090 are not even the same product die

The 5090 is literally the left-overs from Pro 6000 production.

The 5080 and below are a totally separate process.

[frozen drift]

I am fully aware of this I already said that the 5090 is literally double the die of the 5080

[warm ore]

No, you don't either.
It makes many many more people buy lower tier, which in price are higher even compared to previous gens, but in performance due to that gap are absolutely terrrible due to the price/perf.
Obviously xx90 sales get them tons of money per product aswell, but the bulk of sales will always be low to mid grade GPUs.

[frozen drift]

Yeah I just reread your statement, basically drive all the price up, enthusiast will buy 5090, mid-tier budget people will buy 5070 Ti and lower and those prices are driven up and it is going to profit them too. Am I right?

[tribal kelp]

Whatever "segmentation strategy" exists between 5090 and 5080 is only a commentary on 5080 parameters. NVIDIA maybe could have made a 5080 Ti that performed much more closely to the 5090.

But when you look at the pricing, it makes the 5080 almost nonsensical, and encourages the up-buy to the 5090, which has limited quantity, because it's the rejects from the Pro 6000 series.

So as long as NVIDIA sells out of 5090s, they're recovering all of their Pro 6000 losses.

I think it's less about how badly priced the 5090 is and more about how the 5080 could have been designed to be higher performing but wasn't.

[frozen drift]

Not the same die* I meant the same process node.

[warm ore]

Yeah and basically if you don't buy high end you are generationally paying for less performance than you "deserve".

[tribal kelp]

They're not necessarly trying to get enthusiasts to buy 5090, they're just trying to sell out of 5090 to recover the losses in the process of pro 6000.

[warm ore]

So like i could go and buy a 5080 now and COPE that i'm happy with the purchase, but i would know that it's gimped to hell on purpose, rather than where it should be, not to mention how much more expensive it is.
No thanks.

[tribal kelp]

the 5080 pricing is the real crime

[warm ore]

But if you need it and simply can't go higher, then you have this no choice situation (unless you middle finger them), but ofcourse that at that point is personal choice.
I tried to explain it with my example, obviously not all users are Enthusiasts.

[tribal kelp]

I don't mind the performance segmentation between 4080/4090 and 5080/5090.

I hate the pricing of the 4080 and below and 5080 and below.

[warm ore]

[tribal kelp]

Or, if they wanted to price 4080 and 5080 as they did, then they should have narrowed the performance gap.

I don't think that both the pricing and performance are wrong is all I'm saying. I think it's one of the two.

[warm ore]

So if you didn't read or couldn't understand the above.
That will keep happening and will likely get worse.
Wether we like it or not unfortunately.
It's on purpose with a plan.

[tribal kelp]

I did read. I do understand. But you're speaking very broadly and I'm speaking more specifically.

[warm ore]

Broadly, right.

[tribal kelp]

I'm just splitting the SKU segmentation commentary into a split between performance gap and pricing gap, rather than combining both. I agree with you that the state of GPUs sucks and NVIDIA is mostly to blame.

[unkempt lake]

https://youtu.be/H8Gr1B_lQuM?si=wSkIPqeuRI9vjASt

[marsh glade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0afQ6w3Bjw

[wheat plume]

Last time I used Windows, it could not search for files, this is a welcome change!

[ashen spindle]

indexed windows search was a thing since 2007 but go on..

[reef patrol]

It could also search for files prior to that, just not as well. But disabling online searches definitely improves performance.

[lyric hatch]

Windows search does suck but honestly the Mac one is even worse from my experience

[ashen spindle]

not to mention powertoys exist and shes well aware of it..

[wheat plume]

WAIT I forgot to install PowerToys, FFS Im dropping off my Windows game

[ashen spindle]

didnt you say you only use it to play fortnite and and forza? why do you need it then

[wheat plume]

cause I like the runner prompt and the file explorer tweaks

[ashen spindle]

so you use it for more things then

[tribal kelp]

Are we wilfully ignoring findstr /i "searchterm" ?

or Get-Content from powershell?

or any windows Grep implementation

both do regex

[frozen drift]

actually, it's not just this person but when I first freshly bought my laptop, windows search JUST couldn't search up the files for me and it was SUPER annoying.

[tribal kelp]

I think windows doesn't index everything now. Some nonsense about the enshitification of onedrive and the desktop being in onedrive, and ojnly search indexing onedrive, and more nonsense about wanting you to onedrive.

unless you tell windows to index other locations

[wheat plume]

OneDrive is used by default if you do log in with a microsoft account, and then once its full, they send you notifications to pay for more storage despite not knowing you were using it cause its been backing up all your Downloads and Documents and Photos and Videos without you knowing

[halcyon moss]

Use. It. As. A. Fortnight. Launcher.

[unkempt lake]

literally its off by default

I know because nico signed up to his ms account on his new build and the backup feature was off by default

It did sign him into onedrive tho

But the backup feature wasn't on

Big difference

Lana why do you spread so much misinfo all the damn time genuinely

please use your brain there's a difference between signing you in and activating the backup feature...

And even if it did backup your files... you can just fucking delete them its 2 clicks

[steady sail]

Or just remove OneDrive

[nimble arch]

Windows bad innit

[unkempt lake]

That too

Literally making up problems that don't exist

[steady sail]

https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil a single click and OneDrive is removed from your system

[unkempt lake]

Like trash windows for good reasons like them taking a trillion years to fix the update and shutdown button booting the machine back up

[nimble arch]

Conveniently stops talking in the server when confronted

[unkempt lake]

You don't even have to use this to do it

[nimble arch]

[steady sail]

So there is a command line for it if i have to guess

[unkempt lake]

No you can just literally uninstall the app lol

Under apps and features

If you want to remove any leftover file you can do some extra stuff

@steady sail the titus tech utility is just good for people who want ez buttons all in one place

But i say just... learn to use your machine

Good tool for noobs tho

[halcyon moss]

Lana posts and runs quite often

[ashen spindle]

or just ignores the talk and posts about something else

[wheat plume]

I did use this, but regular not tech enthusiants are not gonna know about this

[unkempt lake]

apps and features is a very hard menu to find

[warm ore]

Was gonna point to this, regarding the windows search issue, because at some point they started looking for online matches rather than files on your local drives, but iirc CTT has related options to that aswell.
However i was unsure because i have things pre-set for my windows ISOs and i haven't opened it in a while and i couldn't really find a good picture. (for the same reason i have no clue if they changed this overtime in either W10 or W11 or if it's still set to search online on stock)

[unkempt lake]

you have to click on the windows start menu then settings then apps then installed apps then type onedrive then click on ... then click uninstall

@wheat plume very hard

no one can do this

😱

[wheat plume]

yeh that yes

[balmy vector]

Like,,, laptop news?

[fair gull]

or just live in the EU

and its a single click anyway

[tribal dirge]

Or for more picky apps just use the control panel LMAO

If you want to do clean uninstall with no garbage left behind

[whole bramble]

its a 20/80 situation

[tribal kelp]

Problem statement: "windows search doesn't work"
Assertion: "linux search always works"
Ignores:

• search index settings which solve the issues and allow search from the start menu locally
• command line methods that go beyond indexed locations, powershell tools that go beyond indexed locations
• grep application support that goes beyond indexed locations
  Restates assertion: "Windows sux, Linux best."

Meanwhile, potentially suffers from gaming support and certainly is more constrained with technical support, and requires far greater personal aptitude to get by in the OS environment.

Don't get me wrong, Linux has its uses, and for those, many of them can just be run from WSL without bothering to dual-boot.

I can't imagine wanting to boot into linux natively as my primary OS with WSL available today for the few things that I need to use Linux for, given my use cases.

[whole bramble]

linux hasn't been mentioned in over 2 hours

[marsh glade]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-glowing-eyes-video-game-gif-17663260

I read that in HK-47's voice

[whole bramble]

HK47 MY BELOVED

[umbral heron]

[whole bramble]

I HAVE WAYY TOO MUCH TIME ON GAMES THAT CAME OUT BEFORE I WAS BORN

450 hours on kotor 1&2

[tribal kelp]

I mean, sure it was a while ago in time space, but it was only a line or two up.

I just get so tired of the average_linux_user_001 moral imperative to proseletyze about their good news and savior.

[halcyon moss]

Wsl scares me

[whole bramble]

wsl works pretty well

unless you need to use vsc and containers, then you gotta jump throuhg some hoops

[tribal kelp]

I used WSL for open ocr LLM when I had to convert 1800+ PDFs into .md files for Obsidian

[whole bramble]

or if you want to use a jump host and ssh

[tribal kelp]

saved me thousands of hours

[whole bramble]

those are the times I've hit issues

or arm

[tribal kelp]

olmocr it was

[halcyon moss]

Yeah I'll just run Linux, thanksies

[fair gull]

you could actually run a linux DE and not use the windows DE

[halcyon moss]

I've seen the performance and memory penalty of wsl :p

[fair gull]

with wsl that is

[tribal kelp]

oh yeah, definitely could do that too

But the things I use WSL for are all terminal based stuff.

olmocr being one of the main ones that will tie my poor desktop up

[fair gull]

eh seems to work as well as linux directly

[tribal kelp]

WSL is super cool

[umbral heron]

It's a VM after all, so no wonder

[fair gull]

yeah

just confused why drakonen said it has apparently a big penalty

i have toyed with the idea of running a linux DE through WSL to mainly use the linux env but have windows running as the main OS for games

[tribal kelp]

unclear, I didn't notice hardly any overhead costs when I was running 48-54 hour workloads

That's what I settled on, Windows boot (no dual-boot) and WSL when needed for terminal (or sure, KDE or GNOME or whatever your favorte DE is)

[ashen spindle]

well it depends on what you are using it for and if you are using wsl1 or 2

[fair gull]

oh that could be that drak only ever used wsl1

[umbral heron]

Why would you use WSL1 in the big 2025

[fair gull]

he might have only used it when wsl2 wasnt even a thing

[umbral heron]

Oh

[fair gull]

actually i play xemu through WSL cause it runs better than on windows

lol

[tribal kelp]

Welcome to Ubuntu 22.04.5 LTS (GNU/Linux 6.6.87.2-microsoft-standard-WSL2 x86_64)

(needed that distro for my olmocr install)

[fair gull]

i always just cram in the ubuntu apt repos if i need smth from there

or well install snap i guess

but only if i really have to

[umbral heron]

I really like Ubuntu on servers now
Everything seems to be preconfigured and works quite well

[warm ore]

HK-55 approves

[nimble arch]

Windows Server is the best

[fair gull]

im still in the debian camp 🧓

[fair gull]

the best to torture your tech

[umbral heron]

nah, me too
I just wish that proxmox would natively recognize Docker/k8s containers along VMs and lxc

[wheat plume]

Tim Cook is not cooking as much as his name implies
JerryRigEverything - 2025

[ashen spindle]

ok

[frozen ingot]

am sure tim got very offended while taking his daily swim in dollar bills

[tribal kelp]

"Move money back and forth with AI partnerships to inflate market cap."

[umbral heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAX2_mPr9W8

[wheat plume]

[reef patrol]

This is a joke I am too European to understand, clearly.

[umbral heron]

I dunno, I don't have a dishwasher

[nimble arch]

You don’t have hands?

[umbral heron]

I do

And that's all I need

Also dishwasher should really be used for sterilizing dishes after former hand wash and not for the whole washing cycle

[fair gull]

youre not consumerist enough

this is a problem in many parts of the world

same for washing machines really. people just dont know how to use them properly often times

[reef patrol]

I recall him remarking in the original video? That European users didn't really have this issue?

[tribal kelp]

US market for dishwasher detergents has moved to packets/sachets/tablets/pods rather than loose powder

[fair gull]

the same in the EU

[tribal kelp]

which is poor performance with most older dishwashers due to not having the prewash cycle

[ashen spindle]

the thing about US/EU is that EU has better heating elements so you dont need to hook it up to hot water

[fair gull]

that one

[ashen spindle]

bc 120/240V

[tribal kelp]

(or at least not having the prewash cycle with detergent)

[umbral heron]

240V baybeee

[lyric hatch]

This is what I do 🧼

[nimble arch]

Mega Starmie having legs is cursed

[tribal kelp]

more importantly than your voltage

[lyric hatch]

Squeaky clean dishes

[tribal kelp]

What's your current rating for your dishwashers?

[umbral heron]

Up to 45C
It's too hot to handle otherwise

[fair gull]

yes and no. they are perfectly capable of cleaning with somewhat ok water usage if done right

its a luxury to give you time for other stuff while the dishes get cleaned

[tribal kelp]

wattage is what matters for heating elements
Voltage is only part of that

I'm curious what european dishwasher wattage is on heating elements.

[lyric hatch]

I just rinse off the physical bits and chuck em in to be properly washed in the dishwasher

[ashen spindle]

yes but they dont sell higher wattage heating elements in US washers to not run into issues when someone isnt using a seperate breaker for the dishwasher socket

[tribal kelp]

USA are 1.2 - 1.8 kW

am curious what euro stuff is

[ashen spindle]

well according to the video .8-1kW is what most US models seem to have

[fair gull]

its not really the heating element itself but the fact that a large part of the world only hooks up cold water to dish washers and washing machines. thus the machiens run the heater differently during cycles including prewash

[tribal kelp]

the 1.2 - 1.8 is total power, not element power, so yeah, that tracks

[umbral heron]

Twice the voltage = half the current

[tribal kelp]

ah yeah, that make sense. I know mine is on the hot supply, so the water heater is pre-supplying hot water to it (provided that I run the tap first to purge the cold, as he explained)

[fair gull]

yes and the purging is what people often dont do

including not adding prewash detergent

[tribal kelp]

yeah

I had powder, changed to pods, performance sucked, went back to powder

happy

[fair gull]

but the detergent info itself applies globally. even EU people often just put a tab in the compartment and dont do any prewash detergent

and they ofc pay out their butt for the tabs instead of cheapo powder doing the same

[warm ore]

i'm still doing the powder, just like grandma used to

[tribal kelp]

US used to have detergent with phosphorous that was amazingly effective. Then they found out how bad it was for watersheds. Now detergent is ... kinda meh.

Wish they would have made a way to neutralize the Phosphorous instead.

[fair gull]

i mean i can only speak on the NA powder Alec showed in the demos and it seemed quite ok

[gusty kiln]

@ashen spindle earnings looks solid but growth in DC seems slow

[tribal kelp]

Google says that indeed, EU dishwashers are like twice the wattage, so it sounds like they're on bigger service.

[lyric hatch]

Tablets/capsules perform better in my experience, like not even close significantly cleaner dishes

[marsh glade]

Dishwashers do not sterilize

[tribal kelp]

definitely not

autoclaves do, and an autoclave, a dishwasher is not

[lyric hatch]

Sanitize not sterilize

[ashen spindle]

yeah its the classic, earnings beat, sotck down

[marsh glade]

It's almost as if fundamentals don't matter in the slightest

[umbral heron]

sanitize sterilize potato potato

[ashen spindle]

its fine FAD on the 11th with have the big news that are actually relevant

and for sales Q2/3 is big for them next year, zen6+mi400

[tribal kelp]

waiting for AI bubble to pop, and news to start talking about .com crash all over again

[umbral heron]

Anywho, goodnight

[ashen spindle]

well at least we're starting to see some benefits from the AI bubble in tech so at least if it pops its better than .com and we have some gains in other areas

[tribal kelp]

The datacenter capital investments are scary.
At least they can be repurposed if AI isn't as useful as they think it will be. (cloud compute, whatever)

[ashen spindle]

oh I more meant newer sped up manufacturing and research like newer memory standard

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle Asus flashback can be used without having a CPU installed into motherboard right?

[gusty kiln]

Would guess it depends on the model

Usually a higher end feature

[ashen spindle]

yes

[pale sigil]

Dope

It won't support the 9800x3d out of the box

[ashen spindle]

it probably will if you arent getting an ancient board they forgot

[gusty kiln]

Lol now AMD is flat AH

Tale as old as time

ER Timmys

[ashen spindle]

its such a funny stock to watch and seeingt it go down on good news

[pale sigil]

I think I am which is why it's reduced or something lol

It's £160 everywhere but this one place that specifies 7000 series and there's a 9000 series version for more

[ashen spindle]

well yeah its on clearance but it was still months ago that 9800x3d came out so likely they have an updated bios

anyway just update anyway

[pale sigil]

Fair enough

I wish I didn't have to buy from here

https://www.awd-it.co.uk/asus-tuf-gaming-b650m-plus-wifi-amd-ryzen-ddr5-micro-atx-motherboard-socket-am5.html

Or do I pay £6 more to buy from another store

[ashen spindle]

idk no clue if its a weird or normal uk site

[pale sigil]

Normal UK site

Their customer service has been pretty rough from experience when trying to help my friend with his warranty

Like when my cooler died after 3 years ocuk handled the warranty for me which was great, however this place was asking us to speak to adata first but we just couldn't get an answer off them, awd kept saying try again.

This was before brexit too 😅

[ashen spindle]

get it elsewhere then, you're getting a cheaper board than what you first looked at and were fine with so its still a good deal

okay @marsh glade hardest market related question ever for you

WHY ARE THEY USING SUCH SHIT MICS ALL THE TIME FOR EARNINGS CALLS THEY HAVE BILLIONS

[pale sigil]

Lol how is https://amzn.eu/d/6E3ypZD cheaper

Then the micro atx rog one I saw

Itx is usually more lol

[unkempt lake]

Nico's board had 9000 compatibility

And it didn't say on the website

Literally most new stock has it bow

Goku's board also had 9000 compat even if it wasn't on the website

• you have bios flashback which works even without a cpu

So... STOP OVERTHINKING

@pale sigil

I even pointed this out in our dms

https://tenor.com/view/omori-gif-20737902

[tribal kelp]

yeah, B650M (with bios) or B850 maybe is all you really need. you don't need to go X670 or X870 just for cpu support, and should only do that sort of thing for the I/O support it comes with if needed. It's unlikely that the PCIe lanes make a difference (because if they did, you'd probably be on a totally different motherboard class)

(even the pcie 5.0 support loss on the b650m doesn't really matter much unless you're going ham on NVMe

(like 9100 pro)

[unkempt lake]

It still has an m.2 nvme 5.0 slot

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1675200/view/771930569635267984

FINALLY HOLY SHIT

https://tenor.com/view/its-a-christmas-miracle-christmas-miracle-christmas-time-christmas-holidays-gif-15661483

[crimson wigeon]

Wow technology

[unkempt lake]

https://tenor.com/view/mariah-carey-mariah-carey-christmas-mariah-carey-defrosting-christmas-omori-gif-27025080

[pale sigil]

fucking finally

[pale sigil]

I'm not

[tribal kelp]

well there we go!

[bright briar]

@unkempt lake

[lunar elm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/766854199446863924/1213298486116618310/image0.gif

[harsh ether]

how long does dns take to propagate

i saw max of 48 hrs but that seemed like too much

[magic minnow]

https://www.indiegogo.com/en/projects/konkr/pocket-fit-premier-hi-performance-android-handheld?

damn this looks cool

Expensive though

[steady sail]

Looks cool indeed

[magic minnow]

[steady sail]

I mean yeah but its not terribly priced

[halcyon moss]

yeah.. because you can play all these amazing android joystick games....

[umbral heron]

RPG Gacha machine
Genshin Impact or whatever

[halcyon moss]

how can your phone with a controller not do that? :p

[umbral heron]

That's the best part - it can

There's even this very thin joystick that Dashi linked some time ago

[nimble arch]

Backbone?

https://backbone.com/pages/pro

[umbral heron]

Backbone makes your iPhone a serious gaming device

[covert steppe]

I still have my v1 razor kishi when they first came out😭

[magic minnow]

I don’t think it has full sized joysticks

[lunar elm]

Gaming is one way to get any iphone below a 17 Pro to become a pocket heater

[halcyon moss]

i just cant think of any android game that could justify a dedicated device for it

[crimson wigeon]

Maybe some people are addicted to slop but don't trust said slop on their phones

[leaden kiln]

I still have my moto z gamepad laying in a box somewhere 👴

Too bad it’s useless on any non moto z phone

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle do you think

GPU with no fans at the bottom will be fine

The mobo I'm getting has the pcie slot very low vs these pics where you can put fans

[reef patrol]

Where uh... where's the CPU getting cold air from? Intake at the top?

[pale sigil]

The bottom

The GPU will almost be touching the bottom

[reef patrol]

The bottom...that's completely blocked off by your GPU that exhausts out back? 😄

[pale sigil]

GPU fans intake tho

[reef patrol]

I was asking about the goddamned CPU you dunce.

[pale sigil]

Oh from above

[ashen spindle]

should be fine in most cases you dont have much air to the gpu anyway from below sop if it has to suck it in on its own that should be foinme

[pale sigil]

Hmm

[ashen spindle]

but also reasons why I dont touch SFF

[pale sigil]

Tbh the issue I'm on about might but be a Lian Li a3 issue

Not sure

[whole bramble]

remind sme of the build my friend and i put toghether, this thing is the king of yank and it requires the air to flow from the gpu upwards through the cpu rads

the PSU is held up by a single mobo screw because there was no other space for it

[reef patrol]

You could always swap the bottom feet out, P. 3D print some that are more cone shaped and tall, and put a felt sticker on the bottom.

[whole bramble]

Who are you talking to?

[magic minnow]

I have this case

[reef patrol]

Pleasant? The person who's asking for help with their case layout?

[ashen spindle]

already outdated smh https://videocardz.com/newz/aoc-to-launch-agon-gaming-monitor-with-1000hz-fhd-mode-and-27-inch-5k-165hz

[alpine patio]

hes scaling

[vapid ruin]

lmao

Gotta wait until it's available to most pepo though

Going from 120hz to 1khz going to be lit.

[umbral heron]

1000Hz@1080p is 1920×1080×1000Hz×24bit = 49766400000bits ~= 50Gbps

[whole bramble]

I wasn't meant to be rude, i was just confused

Oh wait

[reef patrol]

[pale sigil]

Send pics and specs xo

How's cooping etc

Oh Lian Li

I have that one too for my server

[umbral heron]

https://www.theverge.com/news/813789/microsoft-in-house-ai-image-generator-mai-image-1

[vapid ruin]

aww, not open source

[nimble arch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc7MHEMcVVI

[frozen drift]

I wonder why e-commerce pricing for wooting keyboard in my country is more expensive than buying directly from wooting website.

[reef patrol]

Because they have to earn a buck as well.

[frozen drift]

A wooting 2 HE in my local e-commerce app is 400+ USD

[frozen drift]

Hmmm make sense

[reef patrol]

Your reseller is also paying import duties, which they want covered.

[umbral heron]

https://www.theverge.com/news/812545/coda-studio-ghibli-sora-2-copyright-infringement

[reef patrol]

Go Japan. Imagine considering opt-out acceptable when it comes to copyright.

[frozen drift]

Okay but wtf i buy from wooting website directly and it's almost half price compared to e-commerce

Even if this doesn't include import duties, it can't be THAT much right

[vapid ruin]

yay, but that won't stop the chinese AI company from doing it though.

[zealous tree]

is wooting also planning on making a split keyboard for more ergonomics? There are not many good split keyboards on the market.

[reef patrol]

We haven't announced any plans, no.

[sudden imp]

love your build !

[frozen drift]

Well asus made one xD, but of course if you are a wooting fan then you can always wait for wooting. I mean we are all wooting fans here, which is why I'm waiting for the revised full-sized keyboard

Not going to lie, I do wish for a split keyboard but TKL version from wooting. It doesn't need to be super sophisticated, just used like a wire to connect similar to asus's ROG falchata

Seems fun to use

[umbral heron]

80HE split

[zealous tree]

Im not so happy with the current market solutions 😔 In the office Im using a Corne ... I would love to have a 40HE or even better a split variant

And since now the start to do the split spacebar ... it would even work with the layers

Just imagine you are the only ones with a really good split keyboard ... everyone had no option but to buy a wooting split keyboard 🙃

But yes, I will buy tomorrow the new 60HE v2 ... just because of the split spacebar 🤑

[frozen drift]

oh wait, i totally forgot that ROG falchata is 75%, not so different from TKL tbh.

Also, I'm just curious but would it technically save more power if wooting uses a mixture between HE and normal mechanical switches? Like HE for the main layout and mechanical for the non-important keys like F keys and home/end pg up/pg dn etc.

[warm ore]

are these yours?

[frozen drift]

I personally would really never use anything smaller than 75%, it's just too hard for me to manuver without F keys and arrow keys.

[frozen drift]

what's the spec? The design looks really nice

[zealous tree]

Believe me, it works really well ... because you actually move your fingers much less. You just press a button and have all your F keys / arrow keys at your fingertips. (the philosophy is a different one: bring your keys to your fingers and not your fingers to the keys)
Its actually the same like you already do with the Shift / Ctrl / Alt key ... but you have an F key or an Arrow key
Example with the new 60HE v2: you have a function key between the two space keys ... if you press it you have your F keys and below the arrow keys.

[zealous tree]

Yes the ROG Falcata would be the closest option with HE and split.

[frozen drift]

o_0

it's just a very different experience tbh. Actually, how do people use arrow keys or F keys in 60% keyboards like the 60HE then?

like what keys do you have to press to enable the F and arrow key shortcuts?

[frozen drift]

the coating is so good though wtf.

[zealous tree]

With the 60HE there is a Function key bottom right (FN)
On the wooting website you can see the configuration. In their example they use the comming WASD - but it can be every key combination you want.
Could be any "Function"-key: if you press space (and hold it) the W would be arrow up ... if you press and release space, its a normal space.

[frozen drift]

so you can map the Fn key to something that activates the F key or arrow keys?

[pale sigil]

It's not mine @frozen drift @warm ore

[sudden imp]

oh

[zealous tree]

Yes ... like your Alt key activates your special characters
Just look in youtube for "keyboard how do layers work" ... a new world will open up before your eyes ... welcome to the rabbit hole of keyboards 😋

[frozen drift]

I would probably still prefer a 75% layout or above keyboard

even then I'm thinking of getting a full-sized one because why not(except for the fact that it is HEAVY and not so portable).

[unkempt lake]

https://videocardz.com/newz/one-asrock-b850-motherboard-reportedly-kills-three-ryzen-7-9700x-cpus