🔌│tech

[wheat plume]

Bcd?

[umbral heron]

Boot configuration data
Basically from where Windows Boot Manager knows where Windows sits and what configuration to load
Something like kernel parameters and config with GRUB

[wheat plume]

Oh....

Yeh
It does that -_-

Does that happen if you dual boot without grub?
Where you just pick what os too boot from the uefi boot selection menu?

[umbral heron]

The blue screen where you can pick if you want to boot windows 10 or 11 for example

Usually with dual boot you'll do chainloading UEFI->GRUB->Windows Boot Manager, because it's easier

[wheat plume]

Hmmm

[umbral heron]

Not saying that Secure Boot is a useless piece of junk that broke it, but that's exactly what I am saying

[halcyon moss]

Weird take. Secure boot is good for a lot of things.

It makes running Linux a bit harder but not much

[umbral heron]

Linux took it like a champ, just installed sbctl and it did everything automatically

Just Windows broke

[halcyon moss]

Yeah if you mess with keys, a lot of things break. Very strange

[umbral heron]

Those are still vendor keys, no changes

[crimson wigeon]

I enrolled my own keys manually through the UEFI setup, no problems

[umbral heron]

I enabled Secure Boot, booted into Linux, enabled sbctl, booted into Windows, did an update... and it died

Is Microsoft an absolute joke of a corporation? Of course

Say what you want about Linux troubleshooting, but at least you'll get more solutions from people than "do the update, run diskpart, format your drive and reinstall Windows"

Oh wait, there are no BCD entries at all now

[lofty pivot]

is the vulnerability still there though?

that article says it's vulnerability is due to how it's summarising websites if you use that option

surely that's something fixable by just not letting it do it that way

from a bit of research the way it works is you get the user to click a sketchy link that then hijacks the AI agent

isn't that just another form of getting user to click a sketchy link and hijacking something else on the computer? I don't see how this vulnerability is more vulnerable than existing sketchy links

i'll probably keep using it, but I already use perplexity for research so it's literally just perplexity except it opens direct links properly as a browser. Privacy concerns seem way overblown when you can just turn them all off if you're worried about that

[umbral heron]

When it comes to web browsers... yeah, that's enough to make me ditch it
Doubt they fixed anything in 2 months

Or how much of that they've vibe-coded

[ashen spindle]

Well the difference is with a shady link on Reddit you can see that it if you click on it by accident then see the next website is bad and leave. If you use the summary feature and you don’t read all the 200 comments beforehand the summary AI can get tricked

[lofty pivot]

yeah but that's what I mean by surely that can be patched though? Or just turn off the summary function because who uses the assistant anyway

[crimson wigeon]

Isn't having that built in to the browser the selling point though? Why even use that browser in the first place then?

[lofty pivot]

nope, the selling point is perplexity as the search without needing another browser

[crimson wigeon]

So change browser just to use a different search engine as the default, got it

[lofty pivot]

the assistant stuff is just AI bs they're trying to test out, but the real gain would be if you already use perplexity or perplexity pro this saves one step in going back and forth

folks are already heavily using chatgpt/perplexity, just that you can't fully use it as the browser as well because it's scuffed and inconvenient at times when you need browser functionality

chatgpt/perplexity are already on the way to overtaking default search engine usage

[umbral heron]

not for me definitely

[lofty pivot]

yeah not for everyone of course

but it's pretty obvious it is already well on the way there and as it's refined more it'll replace default search

[umbral heron]

Fuck it
Wipe and reinstall time

[lofty pivot]

look at how many kids are already using chatgpt even in it's scuffed 90% right, 10% insanely wrong state, that will only increase over time as these llm get refined more

the browser function built into chatgpt/perplexity seems a very logical step and it's going to happen no matter how much us old fogies find it sketchy or not

[umbral heron]

Given both Discord and PayPal promo I think it's quite the opposite and they are scared that not enough people is using all that AI fluff

[lofty pivot]

nah they just have lots of money to spend

[halcyon moss]

i got perplexity pro for free for a year.

its a nice tool

[lofty pivot]

yeah perplexity is actually great for research

since you can check it's sources, it's a handy tool as long as you know how to use it right

AI is taking over whether people like it or not and it's very obvious even just looking at how much usage it's getting in daily jobs

[halcyon moss]

it allowed me to write a python script that talks to a bluetooth bloodpressure monitor. i would not have had the time to do that myself.

[lofty pivot]

it's really just chatgpt but refined a bit better for specific tasks, since it uses chatgpt as one of it's bases

[umbral heron]

I'll just sit there and wait for the bubble to pop, everything to calm down and for some companies to make actually useful LLM tools

[halcyon moss]

yeah yeah we know you're a grumpy old gal

there is plenty of use already in llms

[umbral heron]

Oh, sure
Last time I saw there's LLM-based potato sorter
Amazing stuff, can sort potatoes based on variety and condition

[lofty pivot]

there's already very beneficial ai stuff, just people don't focus on them as much. For example it's changing radiology

[nimble arch]

A lot of that stuff existed before this existing AI "bubble".

[halcyon moss]

the potato stuff is weird to use an llm for that, but it is a needed tool to sell and buy potatoes

[halcyon moss]

yes, but its easier than ever.

[lofty pivot]

AI is able to better detect and diagnose mri scans in a fraction of the speed that it takes a skilled radiologist, which will lead to some massive impacts in the radiology segment

[ashen spindle]

Useful LLM tools exist yes, making a browser less secure ain’t one of them

[umbral heron]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YUWwUOJCeGs Iunno, this seemed really cool to me

[lofty pivot]

i mean it's just chromium but now you don't have to open a 2nd tab/program for chatgpt/perplexity

i think an AI browser will do well regardless of what people like or don't like about it

the common person is already well on the way to using AI like that, this just saves 1 step

[ashen spindle]

This is like autonomous driving but you decided level2 is already good enough for people to use, thankfully you can’t crash into other people but it’s as flawed if you let it be

[lofty pivot]

i mean, turn off the agent?

[ashen spindle]

People will use it

[lofty pivot]

then you just get perplexity built into your browser

[umbral heron]

Aite, EFI wiped, SSD wiped, time to reinstall
Not sure why really, as I won't be playing BF6, but eh, anyway

[ashen spindle]

I don’t care for it and you could just save the step by using the normal browser and have the llm as a plugin, but that’s beside the point. I just think people will always choose convenience and this is going to lead to a ton of issues

[lofty pivot]

the plugin doesn't work that well

i've tried

it's why i still have them separate

[ashen spindle]

Makes sense because they want you to use their browser

They could improve it but better to have more control

[lofty pivot]

i'd be surprised if this isn't already a long term plan of google etc

[halcyon moss]

i just turned off secure boot..

[ashen spindle]

It probably is but that doesn’t make it any better xD

[lofty pivot]

they know they're losing search engine traffic to chatgpt/perplexity already, so i would assume google etc all have this as their plan in future

[ashen spindle]

As long as stuff like the summary agent gets advertised, and in theory it’s nice, it will be used and cause issues

[lofty pivot]

yeah i don't doubt it. I assume it'll cause issues, eventually be fixed and become a commonly used thing at some point

that's just how new tech like this always goes

[ashen spindle]

Idk if it can be fixed because you essentially remove the human as a filter for obvious shit

[umbral heron]

eventually be fixed
Um... yeah, about that...

[lofty pivot]

it'll eventually be fixed, just like most vulnerabilities. Just it may take a bunch of issues or sidequests

[ashen spindle]

difference is this is just one of so many because you just gave people a completely new attack vector, but people have years of experience breaking stuff now already

[lofty pivot]

oh no doubt

but it will eventually get more secure over time

[ashen spindle]

and theres no telling if you can ever fix it back to the same level we have now because the fundamental filtering element of human brain is gone now

[lofty pivot]

that's just the price paid with these advancements, for better or worse

[ashen spindle]

yeah but its not really an advancement yet even and it still has the price

[lofty pivot]

well depends on how you use it

if you use perplexity currently and a browser separately and turn off the ai agent then it's useful

if not then sure, don't use it

same with any new emerging technologies, it'll have it's vulnerabilities, but it doesn't mean you can't also take advantage of the areas it does get right

[wheat plume]

Yall know how Windows automatically mounts new drives when you install one? Assigns it the next drive letter like D or C etc etc?

I found out Bluefin Linux does this too AND I AM SO HAPPY CAUSE I HATED THAT LINUX NEVER DID THAT
Dont need to delve into the fstab file and manually add the drive and a mountpoint and configure mount flags 💜

[reef patrol]

It does?

[umbral heron]

Welcome to udisks

[wheat plume]

YEP, I just installed another SSD from my previous computer, and it immediately detected it when I rebooted and I can browse it freely

even has the right drive label

I called it Library on my old desktop and it remains here too

[reef patrol]

from a previous computer
Well there's the thing. It's already formatted.

Cause Windows absolutely does NOT just format and add a drive letter to a new drive 😄

[halcyon moss]

wtf lana, auto mount has been a thing for 20 ish years?

[wheat plume]

yeh it does, I plug in a new SSD and it automaticlly assigns a drive letter to it

[wheat plume]

Linux typically only automounts USB drives and SD cards, not internal SSDs

[reef patrol]

If you got out and buy a factory new disk, you'll have to set it up in the admin panel in Windows. It doesn't just automatically do anything.

[wheat plume]

It asks you to format the drive, then it will automount it

[reef patrol]

Nope

[wheat plume]

Yep

[reef patrol]

[umbral heron]

Depends on udisks configuration, by default they do not mount SSDs

[wheat plume]

Yes exactly

this is the only distro ive seen to do it automatically

Though, I do need to enter my sudo password to mount the drive the first time, but its already in my file manager without me needing to edit fstab

[pale sigil]

What no

Linux has always mounted drives for me

Wtf

I've never been asked to format it

Ever

[wheat plume]

Internal SSDs?

[pale sigil]

Yes

And external via USB, and HDDs

[wheat plume]

yeah, it always automounts external shit

[pale sigil]

Im on about both

[wheat plume]

hmmmmm

[pale sigil]

I've always had multiple SSDs

Always

At one point I had an SSD for just Linux and every other SSD auto mounted.

Speaking of

I have a 2tb ssd doing literally nothing, Linux time?

[wheat plume]

For sure! I suggest Bluefin

you have to use Fedora Media Writer to make the USB though

https://projectbluefin.io/

[raw zephyr]

i thought everybody does ventoy now? 😅

[wheat plume]

Yes but any distro from uBlue doesnt work in Ventoy

you can try but it may not do it

[raw zephyr]

i will stick with a vanilla distro

[wheat plume]

They recommend you dont install layered packages, but I really wanted the webapp manager.... so I installed that from RPM 😅

[umbral heron]

everyone does

[old marlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKkG9Z-_3Ho

120mm singletower that is really not that far behind the D15

back fan is a reverse fan which is kinda nice

oh wait sorry, that was the german link

[ashen spindle]

mh yeah if he had just just in the title or thumbnail its just another thermalright nobody wouldve clicked the video

non clickbait title: thermalright added a model with LCD screen

[old marlin]

still funny to me that it is performing that well with a single tower

[ashen spindle]

I mean we know that from the regular TR coolers

they have some single and some dual towers

[rough osprey]

damn i thought the 9800x3d was easy to cool

that dh15 is struggling

[ashen spindle]

its easy to cool in games since none of them load a cpu like cinebench

[vapid ruin]

gotta pay the bill somehow

[lunar elm]

tbh its easy to cool during normal gaming sessions

heavy cpu workloads is another story

[rough osprey]

i just often heard that its easier to cool then the 7800x3d

and ive never seen those kinda temps on it even in benchmarks xd

[lunar elm]

Yeah because they flipped the vcache position or smth

Which apparently allowed for better OC headroom

[ashen spindle]

yeah the cores are on top now so its as easy to cool as a regular cpu

and in gaming you have like half the powerdraw

[lunar elm]

iirc 7800 and 9800 x3ds are essentially 70w gaming

[ashen spindle]

if not less yeah

[lunar elm]

like most of the time, my 9800x3d is between 70-80

[rough osprey]

might just be the power increase then

cant even get to 100w in cinebench

[frozen drift]

I wonder if tandem OLED 3440X1440 34 inch monitor is coming soon

[vagrant pagoda]

wtf is "cloud-native" workstation, chrome os?

[crimson wigeon]

That it's built with the same tooling as the containers you might use for all your cloud things

[wheat plume]

^

[vagrant pagoda]

thats a 100% buzz word bs shit

[wheat plume]

regardless, the most rock solid OS ive ever used

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean that's any minimalist flatpack os

you end up with Apple linux

[wheat plume]

I like it a lot, no maintainence, and you can still install RPM if you need to

Like I did for the webapp manager

[vagrant pagoda]

no maintenance? that's called auto updates

containers are great when you have unlimited scale, is cloud, but on single system it makes less sense

no reason to run every desktop app in them

every feature they mention costs resources, CPU, memory and disk

[wheat plume]

can disable the autoupdates xd they check every 6 hours otherwise, idk why that often cause the OS is not updated that often

[vagrant pagoda]

its a system imagine, so everything id all in one

so to update a package they diff the os image

[ashen spindle]

doesnt cloud native and desktop for consumers kinda contradict itself? like how can it be optimized for both at once when they are like opposite needs

[crimson wigeon]

Cloud Native
Universal Blue rests on the idea of bringing cloud native patterns to the operating system. We leverage standard cloud tools like the OCI standard images, Docker/Podman, and GitHub to build our images. This is a much lighter and faster way of building and deploying Linux environments. Professionals in the industry can leverage their pre-existing knowledge to create a better desktop experience for everyone. Simply put, our community shares the work of maintaining our desktops and investing in automating every aspect in order to provide a maintenance-free experience.

[wheat plume]

UGH..just remembered I will need to physally remove the Linux SSD from the computer when i wanna install Windows on the second one, ffs so annoying

[vagrant pagoda]

why

[halcyon moss]

Do you?

[vagrant pagoda]

wwindows only nuke first boot device

so make the windows drive the first boot disk

[halcyon moss]

Oh you installed Linux first. Yeah usually I install windows first and Linux after

[vagrant pagoda]

then after installing windows swap back to Linux first

then add windows to bootloader

[halcyon moss]

And that's just a bios order thingy

[eternal wyvern]

I Need help work can I Find the Support here for an Order

[vagrant pagoda]

if you leave Linux first windows will nuke the boot loader

[eternal wyvern]

Where*

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258

[eternal wyvern]

Thx

[halcyon moss]

Jfc that profile pic

[ashen spindle]

it'll be 20 years and lana will still complain about long solved dual boot issues

[crimson wigeon]

No it does not

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean I've literally been doing that for 20 years

[crimson wigeon]

Windows does keep other loaders around, the only thing it might do is set itself as the first one

[vagrant pagoda]

you cant change disk order via os...

[crimson wigeon]

Disk order does not matter in the slightest

[vagrant pagoda]

only in bios/uefi

boot order 100% matyers

windows always install boot loader on the first fixed disk in the boot load order.

[wheat plume]

I plan to have Windows on the second drive, and then pick what OS I want using UEFI boot selection

[crimson wigeon]

And that's a problem because..........?

[wheat plume]

no GRUB

[vagrant pagoda]

if you have grub on the first disk your Linux is bricked

[crimson wigeon]

No it's not

Unless you still use legacy MBR booting

[vagrant pagoda]

how do you boot Linux via windows boot loader?

[crimson wigeon]

You don't, you simply drop back to UEFI if possible to change back the boot order, or use an utility to change it in WIndows, or use bcdedit if you want to do it manually

[vagrant pagoda]

the boot partition for Linux is gone

[crimson wigeon]

???? is it?

[vagrant pagoda]

how do you get that back via uefi

yes

[crimson wigeon]

Then how did I not lose anything when I installed Windows on my Steam Deck recently

[harsh ether]

how did you lose it

does windows auto partition drives?

[crimson wigeon]

Windows installer does not nuke other operating systems and I have no idea what the hell you guys are clicking to make it happen

[harsh ether]

i dont dual boot so

i wouldnt know

[wheat plume]

Found a neat extension that lets you pick where to reboot into :D

dafuq is Windows Boot Manager?

[harsh ether]

windows phone?

[crimson wigeon]

It is exactly that

[wheat plume]

I did boot into the Live USB of a Windows install earlier.....that shouldnt write shit to disk right??

[harsh ether]

ohhh its steam deck

[wheat plume]

Nah, not Deck... just regular Linux xd

[harsh ether]

oh, then it is a phone

[wheat plume]

?

[crimson wigeon]

To be sure you can always use efibootmgr to check the entries and potentially clean out old ones

[harsh ether]

oh ur screenshot size confused me

😭

[wheat plume]

how tf is there Windows?!?!

The second drive doesnt have any OS on it, unless it detects whatever Windows planted on it when I had Windows interact with the drive last??

[wheat plume]

fullscreen screenshot xd

[harsh ether]

makes a lot more sense

[wheat plume]

yeh XD

[harsh ether]

you got phantom windows

[crimson wigeon]

It refers to the second disk, partition ID 1d34c......., you can do lsblk -oNAME,FSTYPE,PARTUUID,LABEL, match it with the PARTUUID

If it does not exist then it's just an old entry you may remove

[wheat plume]

old

that drive is from the PC I dual booted on, makes sense then

[ashen spindle]

thats why you just WSL instead of dual boot

still get to use both os and no dual boot or other issue

nothing could go wrong there

[harsh ether]

no this is why you buy a 2nd pc mhm mhm

[wheat plume]

No
Windows is just gonna be for fortnite so I can play it with sis
Cause it's laggy AF on my tablet

Idk how it lags
It's got snapdragon 8+ Gen 1

[ashen spindle]

I think you just answered your question

[wheat plume]

That's a good CPU though

[ashen spindle]

pretty sure gen1 was still made on samsung foundry and is prone to overheat which would easily explain lags

[halcyon moss]

which one

[halcyon moss]

why do you run in performance mode?

oh, yeah you need a space heater :p

nm. Performance mode needlesly keeps clocks high

[ashen spindle]

is that a linux thing? performance modes shouldnt fuck with cpu performance outside of sleep and such

for desktops at least, laptops/on battery is something else

[halcyon moss]

if i turn my power mode to performance its on 5ghz

balanced around 2ghz

[ashen spindle]

that doesnt mean much

high clocks dont use a lot of power on its own

on a desktop thats neglible

im watching a video and cpu is at high clocks but near idle powerdraw

[halcyon moss]

I. Didn't look at powerdraw

[frozen drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_FYSt326RY&t=410s

actually, how does corsair manage to make a magnetic wristrest here?

I'm curious, considering this is also using magnetic HE switches. And also, this keyboard is basically one of my ideal keyboards as of right now, IF a USB passthrough is added. Looks REALLY good tbh

[vagrant pagoda]

wHy wouldn't it work?

wootings silicone rest is a choice not a requirement

i have 4 xg3s in my left hand, one in each finger tip, I have to pull the key caps to mess with he switches

inverse square law yo

[wheat plume]

Does it do anything? I feel like it does in some games maybe

[frozen drift]

Magnets messes up with HE keyboards. Maybe if it's not too strong then it's not that big of a deal

[vagrant pagoda]

no they don't, unless they are massive hobby magnets

xg3 are n54 magnets inside my fingers right on the keys, no issues

a wirst rest is way to far away to matter.

[tribal dirge]

it's easy to compensate for as long as the wrist rest is not constantly moving around. not to mention it is easily detectable and therefore easy to turn on and off the compensation factor. or you can eliminate the problem entirely using magnetic shielding.

although if you are smart and if your filtering algorithms are good those will probably filter out the interference induced by the magnet.

it's a pretty trivial solution if you ask me

[tribal dirge]

or if you are like me big electromagnets and tesla coils (I had my wooting react very badly when the tesla coil is turned in in the room LMAO)

[vagrant pagoda]

thats more emf than pure magnetic

its likely causeing noise directily on the board, than though the halls

[tribal dirge]

yeah, the EMP produced by the tesla coil is very much messing with the ADCs on the board ROFL

not so much the magnetic fields it produces

the electromagnet that I have though can mess with the wooting if it gets like 12 inches too close to it

[vagrant pagoda]

my fingers have way higher field strenght at the key than any wirst rest anway

think of it this way, i can get a few paper clips on my finger, and thats right on the key, a wirst rest isnt moving a paper clip from inch+ away

[tribal dirge]

I wonder what the implants are for?

I know they serve some sort of purpose

[vagrant pagoda]

i can feel magnetic fields

[tribal dirge]

ah, for your job?

[vagrant pagoda]

can run my hand over a wall and find the wires and shit its tool

[tribal dirge]

yeah makes sense

[vagrant pagoda]

no job is giving you implatened magnets XD

its for fun

[tribal dirge]

oh real

ROFL

I put magnets inside my fingers because yes

[vagrant pagoda]

pretty much

[tribal dirge]

that probably means Wooting's interference and noise filtering is pretty damn good

[vagrant pagoda]

i have rfid too

[tribal dirge]

well, to a point

[vagrant pagoda]

nah inverse square is a bitch

[tribal dirge]

but that's still pretty good

[tribal dirge]

it's not the worst thing to deal with, you can probably have an intern figure it all out in MATLAB Simulink in an afternoon.

[vagrant pagoda]

yes but its a running gag for EEs and all the wireless power and data "inventions"

[tribal dirge]

lol true

maybe I should start poking fun at my EEs as an ME,

[vagrant pagoda]

i get to poke at both, as im neither and porb make more money XD

plus no debt

but i have to deal with both

[tribal dirge]

real

[vagrant pagoda]

i do industrial, automotive and marine electrical diagnoses

[tribal dirge]

ooh nice!

[frozen drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECz-eY1yphU

well Asus mentioned that their split keyboard cannot get magnetically attached because magnet interferes with their HE switches for the ROG falcata

[analog sinew]

"cannot" means "is too expensive to figure out so we just say we cant"

[wheat plume]

how can I check to see if my SSD is one of the ones that get bricked by the new Windows version?

[sharp badger]

Is that a thing?

[wheat plume]

its a few specific storage controllers that are affected

[frozen drift]

my theory is that split keyboard is too close if we use magnetically attached connections so yea.

[unkempt lake]

Magnets interfere with hall effect joysticks

So clearly there's gotta be some level of interference

• i'm pretty sure i've seen people with wootings have issues with magnetic wristrests

And magnetic strips in desks

It may not be a lot of interference but it still exists

[tribal dirge]

maybe they couldn't figure out a nice way to compensate for the magnets in a way that does not sacrifice latency or other things

[tribal dirge]

wait what? since when!?

[unkempt lake]

At some point you can't redefine physics

You could have deadzones to try to compensate but who wants that

[tribal dirge]

I wouldn't say that, it's more like you cant find a good enough workaround in a meaningful way to compensate for it that does not sacrifice performance.

[sharp badger]

I see? seems like there was some ''engineering preview firmware'' issue? https://wccftech.com/phison-dismisses-reports-of-windows-11-updates-bricking-ssds-runs-rigorous-testing-unable-to-reproduce-errors/

https://www.pcmag.com/news/pc-building-group-figures-out-why-windows-11-update-is-bricking-ssds

[tribal dirge]

engineering is all about compromise

[tribal dirge]

whoopsies

[analog sinew]

ofc they do

do you think i'm dumb
this is probably something that can be solved with calibration and magnetic shielding but it would be expensive and overcomplicated so its not done

[wheat plume]

Bye Bye mini player on youtube?!

[distant tapir]

Isn't that just because you are currently using it

[wheat plume]

im not

[sharp badger]

You can also press i

[wheat plume]

yeah :D i makes it work but odd that the button is missing

[sharp badger]

Yup, can also right click the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC7IIJCz8Dw Snippet from this video, very cinematographic review

[halcyon moss]

This isn't really a thing

Ssds got hot, and shut down. Even a simple Heatsink solves it

[ashen spindle]

Nono there was an update that due to ssd controller issue caused them to lock up basically

But that was not windows fault it just triggered it

The controllers were basically not following spec

It was an edge case of if you copy large files like a 60gb game while the drive was over half full after a certain update

But it’s long been fixed

[halcyon moss]

Ah that's not the tests I've seen

[ashen spindle]

Was a thing last month or so

Fixed after a week iirc

[halcyon moss]

I've seen tweakers.net test it, and the only thing they found was overheating

[wheat plume]

no no there was an update for Windows that bricked SSDs that were using a specific storage controller

[wheat plume]

wow, Quin agreeing with me on something, is this an alternative universe?

[halcyon moss]

Didn't brick them AFAIK

[sharp badger]

And according to the article I sent it was because of some ''engineering preview firmware'' according to Phison

[ashen spindle]

I mean you are listing it as an update for windows but it was the ssd firmware causing it not windows, could've happend on linux almost the same way

and also its fixed so no longer accurate

it's not like I disagree on opinions to be contrarian facts just dont have more than one side

[halcyon moss]

Run your windows updates @wheat plume

[rough osprey]

i blame asrock

[wheat plume]

I dont use Windows, but I do want to install it to this spare SSD at some point this week

[halcyon moss]

So you do use it? confused

[ashen spindle]

doesnt matter the update has long been out and even without it, it wasnt even a common thing it was testing firmware that made it onto some drives, last I checked there wasnt any retail ssd that had the issue

all something 10 second google searches can find..

[halcyon moss]

which one is it?

[wheat plume]

"Restart to"

https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/7215/restart-to/

[halcyon moss]

got it, thanks!

[tribal dirge]

y'all, is Thermal Grizzly Duronaut a good enough thermal interface material between a laptop dGPU and it's heatsink? Or are there better options that offer equal or better effective thermal conductivity and stability?

[rough osprey]

its one of the best performing thermal pastes

[tribal dirge]

yeah I looked at the datasheet for it and it claims a pretty good thermal conductivity along with good stability so it can last a long time.

because I do not want to open up my old thinkpad again after doing this re-application of paste

[rough osprey]

makes sense

application supposedly not the easiest

but they have a video on that

[ashen spindle]

use a phase change pad that makes it easier and not a mess to work with

[tribal dirge]

yeah I heard it's a bit on the viscous side

[ashen spindle]

ptm7950

[tribal dirge]

literally almost impossible to find genuine sheets on the internet though 😭

[unkempt lake]

https://www.thecanadianpressnews.ca/national/quebec-law-to-promote-the-sustainability-of-goods-come-into-force/article_7848f36d-c95d-5ae7-a6fa-6182631af493.html

right to repair lets gooooo

[tribal dirge]

most of the ones I found were either counterfeit or close clones

[ashen spindle]

therm grizzly has them

[outer spire]

I always used arctic mx4 but grizzly makes great stuff sometimes their paste is thicc

[ashen spindle]

and I think LTT store sells rebranded honywell PTM too

[tribal dirge]

the real deal?

[outer spire]

Arctic mx4 has my favorite consistency. Comes out thin easy to apply and works great for 10+ years

[ashen spindle]

idk if TG rebrands or makes their own but its the same quality

[outer spire]

I just didnt like their consistency. Came out thick and harder to use

[tribal dirge]

so an effectively equivalent formulation to the Honeywell stuff?

[ashen spindle]

we're talking about thermal pad...

[outer spire]

Ohhhhh i thought thermal paste

[tribal dirge]

nah, this is a PTM type material

[outer spire]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-how-to-put-this-im-kind-of-a-big-deal-famous-gif-17054350

[outer spire]

Interesting

Is it like an alternative to paste?

[rough osprey]

should offer near same performance

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/37KRZ7nhLfCyZfEaxw6Gqn-1200-80.png.webp

cpu test but compares them

[ashen spindle]

also they make like 5 different pastes with different viscosity so cant generalize that either

[rough osprey]

probably more then good enough for a laptop xd

[tribal dirge]

should also last a long time too

[rough osprey]

yep

[tribal dirge]

also easy enough to apply, you get the sheet, cut to size, and then slap it on

only issue is that PTM materials do need a decent amount of calmping pressure to work effectively

[rough osprey]

i like kryosheet personally but those are very thin and need lots of pressure

and even more expensive

[tribal dirge]

true

[lyric hatch]

I need to get some PTM because apparently the liquid metal in my laptop ain't doing its job

[tribal dirge]

what laptop you got?

[lyric hatch]

G15 zephyrus

[tribal dirge]

cauz the LM in my gaming laptop does fine

[tribal dirge]

ah, I got the G16

[ashen spindle]

yeah LM can do a nasty pump out if you are unlucky

[rough osprey]

yt showing me spanish subtitles on english videos now? 😭

[lyric hatch]

I believe I am in that unlucky case since my laptop crashes under any sort of load

But I guess I'll find out once I open it up

[tribal dirge]

I think the heatsink design should allow for alternative thermal interface materials, but it is no guarantee.

[ashen spindle]

nah its a general issue with LM which is why I think LM just shouldnt be used in laptops lol

[rough osprey]

also lots of different lms out there

[tribal dirge]

I guess I was lucky with the liquid metal lottery LMAO

[lyric hatch]

Fr I think some manufacturers are moving away from LM like Lenovo

[tribal dirge]

Asus uses Conductonaut Extreme iirc

[rough osprey]

sometimes its just normal thermal paste with some more metal particles too xd

[ashen spindle]

it just isnt needed for laptops really, they all jumped on it the last years and realize now it was kind of a bad idea

but yeah anything direct die like dgpus or laptops PTM is so nice because much easier to apply

kryosheet works but is conductive so im reluctant to recommend that personally

[tribal dirge]

laptop heatsinks with the pre-loading screws should have a good enough clamping pressure to work right?

[ashen spindle]

yeah

[rough osprey]

does come with isolation tape but you never know and stuff

[ashen spindle]

just follow the steps to propely burn it in aka do some heat cycles on the chip, think it says above 60c for a while multiple times or so

[lyric hatch]

Well there was also this whole thing going on with Asus as well https://www.techpowerup.com/341121/asus-promises-fix-of-the-stuttering-issues-actively-investigates-the-problem

[tribal dirge]

oh yeah the bios handling of the MUX and gpu switching is horribly thought out

I havent had that issue on ultimate mode though

but I know it is an issue on other laptops

[unkempt lake]

Talking about pump out i should ptm my 7900xtx

[tribal dirge]

oh shoot I also need to find thermal putty for the thinkpad 😭

[unkempt lake]

I just can't be assed because the temps are still technically fine

It's just the hotspot and I'm not near the throttle point and I'm still cooler than the reference design so...

And its not too loud (unless i use the poopy auto stock fan curve)

[tribal dirge]

time to go thermal putty hunting then.

[lyric hatch]

I might just buy a big ol sheet and apply it to all my stuff that probably needs doing

[unkempt lake]

A hotspot at 90 is not a big deal on a 7900xtx idk why the fucking card tries to run it at like 2000rpm... literally the fans at 1600rpm and the hotspot stays the same

Cuz well its a contact issue

[tribal dirge]

100 dollars for a 200x160mm sheet from LTTstore LMAO

[unkempt lake]

Reference models run with a hotdpot between 95 and 110 so like

[lyric hatch]

Yeah don't think I'll be buying through them, not to mention the taxes and shipping across the world

[unkempt lake]

Would you guys bother with ptm in my situation or

Just leave it be

Its inaudible at 1600rpm and 90 hotspot is fine xD

I don't plan on pushing my power limit more because it's marginal gains anyways

[lyric hatch]

Could be worthwhile doing just so you don't have to do it in the future if the claims are true of it's long term viability

[ashen spindle]

I mean I've seen people buy a lot of shady looking ptm on alibaba and it all was the real stuff so dont think you need to grab the most expensive one

[tribal dirge]

good luck because even I am having a hard time trying to find them in the states

[lyric hatch]

AliExpress PTM here we go

[nimble arch]

I'm using PTM from LTT Store currently, the smaller sheet is enough for four CPUs.

[unkempt lake]

Perhaps but that requires EFFORT

[rough osprey]

i could open up my 5080 but founders edition cards are scary

[unkempt lake]

eventually i'll probably do it

[tribal dirge]

it's not that crazy LMAO

[rough osprey]

probably need some weird ass screws again

[unkempt lake]

the only thing stopping me is laziness

I'll probably do it next time i upgrade something in my pc or whatever

[rough osprey]

ye i did it for the 3090

[ashen spindle]

I mean yeah if you order a massive ptm on alibaba for 15 bucks it doesnt matter if its not the best because the price will not be beaten xD

[rough osprey]

but they got some interesting design for sure

[lyric hatch]

Can't be worse than the controller I pulled apart

Had to fully disassemble the whole thing just to lube the switches

[halcyon moss]

I should do it too for my zepherus G14 2022..thing shuts down as well and is loud af

[tribal dirge]

cpu gets hot even on silent mode?

[halcyon moss]

I guess? Im in Linux all the time, but it's at least 70

[tribal dirge]

70C idle is fine :P

for laptop standards

[halcyon moss]

Not when the fan is also blowing quite hard

[tribal dirge]

how many rpm?

[lyric hatch]

I'm spoiled on my MacBook with actual silence and low thermals, the stark contrast between the two is jarring

[tribal dirge]

same LMAO

[halcyon moss]

Don't know. Very audable

[tribal dirge]

I love my 16 inch macbook pro, it's so quiet all the time

[wheat plume]

My laptop only makes noise when I'm trying to play games on it

It plays Minecraft shockingly well but it makes the fan super loud

[tribal dirge]

apparently they also use super duper special thermal paste too

esp in the macbook air where the cooling is passive

[rough osprey]

they use liquid glass

[tribal dirge]

lel

[wheat plume]

Liquid Ass

[tribal dirge]

nah I actually like the new software design

feels more lively

[wheat plume]

I haven't seen it in person yet

[tribal dirge]

the design is way more polished now than it was in the betas and at wwdc

[wheat plume]

Lively seems the trend now
Google got Material Expressive and now Apple got Liquid Glass

[rough osprey]

its mostly peak

but i would prefer more then 30fps on my ipad

[wheat plume]

NGL I love this design from Google
Very clear
You know if there are more options under a setting or not by the arrow and the divider line but you can still just toggle the feature without going into the more options page

Very cool imo

[tribal dirge]

iOS/iPadOS 26 has been super smooth on my iPhone and iPad

[wheat plume]

Like dark theme
You can see there's more options if you click it
But you can just toggle it too and ignore the other page

[rough osprey]

its fine on my phone but my ipad is struggling on home screen / notifications

[wheat plume]

What gen iPad?

[tribal dirge]

yeah was about to say

[wheat plume]

What's the oldest iPad gen to get this update anyway?

[rough osprey]

2018 ipad pro xd

[tribal dirge]

from what i've heard all the iPads with the M series chips run very smoothly on iPadOS 26

[nimble arch]

iPadOS 26 is running great on my 10th generation base iPad.

[wheat plume]

Yeh no surprise there

[unkempt lake]

I don't have issues on my 14 pro

[tribal dirge]

oh yeha the A##Z chips will struggle a bit since they lack the animation engine that the M series chips are equipped with

[unkempt lake]

Nico's SE3 runs fine

[tribal dirge]

liquid glass relies very heavily on the hardware animation accelerator on Apple's newer SoCs

[unkempt lake]

Am i the only one who didn't even notice the changes

Like

[rough osprey]

:(

[unkempt lake]

At all lol

[lyric hatch]

Should be a toggle for older devices, but I guess apple hates giving users choices

[rough osprey]

i hope they adjust it a bit for them older devices

[tribal dirge]

I am starting to notice it in some apps that have started to incorporate liquid glass into the design

like the new chromium and Arc browser updates

[rough osprey]

there is some reduced transparency setting it think

maybe that helps

[tribal dirge]

they just recently added some liquid glass UI elements to their apps

[tribal dirge]

there is technically a toggle

in the accessibility settings

you can remove the transparency entirely

to help with increasing contrast for readability for those with poor eyesight

that is one thing apple does extremely well

[lyric hatch]

Reduce is not removing

[tribal dirge]

making their devices accessible.

[tribal dirge]

I tried it, it basically removes it

[unkempt lake]

It removes it

Nico uses it cuz his eyes suck

Maybe its why the updstes runs well on his se3 lol

Its the first thing he did xd

[tribal dirge]

apparently blind people really like iPhone since their braille keyboard is one of the best

like those keyboards where they face the screen away from themselves and then type stuff out.

the talkback on iOS is also just better from what i've heard

[dull hollow]

i just found out today i coulda traded a macbook for the ipad

now ill have to ask apple support

[tribal dirge]

oop lol

[dull hollow]

[dull hollow]

speaking of which i really like the ipad

unfrortunate that student discounts doesnt last till the end of this month

[tribal dirge]

oop

yeah

[tribal dirge]

I am telling you, it is the goat for note taking!

[dull hollow]

whatever though i dont really mind as the m4 chip is all i need tbh

[tribal dirge]

the M4 SoC is high key excessive for what I do on it LMAO

[dull hollow]

i like being able to download class content and write on it

[tribal dirge]

YESSSSSS

[dull hollow]

ngl bought a pro just for the screen

[tribal dirge]

same

the 1000 nits of SDR brightness is so good

apparently it can go to 1600 in SDR mode when the ambient light sensor detects sunlight

very handy!

[dull hollow]

yeah it definitely get bright enough for my needs, maybe too bright lol

[tribal dirge]

yeah LMAO

[tribal dirge]

my favorite part is that even the 13 inch model is light enough to comfortably hold with one hand for a long period of time!

[dull hollow]

its definitely nice having a bigger screen when taking smth like an express bus for my commute to class

but i still wouldnt take it out on smth like the subway

[nimble arch]

Waiting for those glossy tandem OLED monitors...

[dull hollow]

my macbook air is 13.6in but maybe its just cause i can have the ipad that much closer that the 13in feels bigger

[nimble arch]

Although I might treat myself to a new M5 iPad Pro this year instead

[dull hollow]

i def need to get something so i can scroll without touching the screen

https://tenor.com/view/muhehe-cat-muhehe-muhehehe-cat-muhehehe-smirk-cat-muhehe-gif-17142133339517585968

well mostly for reading stuff

[tribal dirge]

already exists, you can use for face and your eyes to control the entire iPad, its an accessibility feature for physically impared people.

it uses the TrueDepth camera at the front to track your eyes and face

[dull hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-gif-25177956

wait i gotta test this rn whats it called

[tribal dirge]

Settings > Accessibility > Eye Tracking

and then Face Tracking is right below the Eye Tracking tab

but you can do more things with face tracking than the eye tracking

and you can bind different actions to different facial movements

like smiling, raising the left/right eyebrow, blinking, etc

[dull hollow]

okay

its uh... kinda clunky

i cant get past the initial home screen 💀

and it kinda just twitches around when im looking at the same spot

[tribal dirge]

it does take a lot of getting used to, but to someone who cant move their arms at all it can be very helpful.

[dull hollow]

yeah

[rough patrol]

Excited for some tandem oled goodness but idk how well glossy will work for me :/

[nimble arch]

I am already using a glossy WOLED

It works for me

[rough patrol]

Yeah rn im just using a matte ips

So it would be a big upgrade

[steady sail]

im just gonna pick up this

[nimble arch]

I would but it's not glossy

Only ASUS are releasing a glossy variant

[steady sail]

280HZ W-Oled anti-glare

[steady sail]

i dont care about glossy or not xd

[nimble arch]

Need to wait for the ROG tax

[steady sail]

• its only 480 euro

[leaden kiln]

totally not me buying another 200 dollar mouse still using this $15 tn 60hz monitor

[steady sail]

yeah but its 4th gen Tandem oled lol

[unkempt lake]

My dude you spent a year bitching about graphics card prices and now are buying a monitor worth the price of your gpu

oh and lets not forget your being all like reee i can't buy an ssd too expensive like a month ago

please be consistent

[umbral heron]

Stuff changes
Like you know
Getting a job for example

[nimble arch]

Funny how people stop complaining once they get a job

[rough osprey]

maybe they should increase prices then

[umbral heron]

I don't have money for frivolities, already spent it on such

Also https://www.rxddit.com/r/airpods/comments/1nvc1nt/airpod_pro_3_design_flaw/

[unkempt lake]

Lmao what

Also my doctor was telling me how this style of headphone is very bad and increases ear infections

Dont get ear infections people

[lyric hatch]

Too late

[unkempt lake]

you too?

[lyric hatch]

Na I jumped in a river and burst my eardrum like 6 years ago, instant infection

[unkempt lake]

Oh

you dont even need a pierced eardrum or a river

You just need a pool and to be unlucky

Or you can even get one out of nowhere in the middle of winter no iems required had thay happen

[lyric hatch]

Always fun to have pus leaking out of your ear for weeks

[unkempt lake]

yep

Actually both ears in my case

It went through my sinuses

And fucked my other ear

[analog sinew]

i somehow had a tiiiny tear in my eardrum for like no reason

[unkempt lake]

it was so much fun

[lyric hatch]

Yeah mine was just water trapped inside my middle ear, got a nice bout of vertigo when I perforated my eardrum. Which was extra fun because I was in the middle of a river next to a waterfall holding onto a rock so I didn't drown

[rough osprey]

humans are build so bad

needs an update

[unkempt lake]

i just realized

Airpods are literally ear tampons now

Now that they get your blood

The joke about their looks became reality

[warm ore]

553,89 EUR*

[umbral heron]

I adore this combo so much

[lyric hatch]

Hey that's not a Sony lens

[analog sinew]

oho mr spendy got an A7III

noice

[lyric hatch]

Can't wait for a7v to come out and be too expensive for me

[vagrant pagoda]

did you land on your side or something?

[harsh ether]

fuck

[lyric hatch]

Was a manu gone wrong
https://youtu.be/dWegRQuq1Ds

[vagrant pagoda]

thats ass first though? how did you blow an ear out"?

[harsh ether]

probably landed on his side

so ear of head

hitting the water

[lyric hatch]

Yeah didn't land properly and the water created a vacuum around my ear and

[harsh ether]

yeah

rip dude

how do you deal with directional audio in games

[vagrant pagoda]

ears heal XD

[harsh ether]

oh

i thought eardrums were one and done

[vagrant pagoda]

drum no, but inner ear yes

[harsh ether]

ic

[vagrant pagoda]

loud noises and explosions damage the inner ear and ear drum

also ear infections can damage inner ear

the drum its self is rarely the cause of hearing loss

[harsh ether]

ive had a few infections but never and damage

[frozen drift]

That sounds super freaking painful

[lyric hatch]

Wouldn't say it was pleasant, and the recovery time is pretty long and my hearing is probably never going to be as good

[empty wren]

May not matter much, people who went to a lot of concerts get by

[lyric hatch]

Yeah I can't hear anything over like 12k which is good enough to still hear most things

Came with a bit of tinnitus though but it's manageable

[empty wren]

Tinnitus usually happens when there is no noise right?

[lyric hatch]

Yeah

[empty wren]

If so makes sense why some people like to listen to white noise

[frozen drift]

I also think I need to get a medical checkup for my hearing because I have long term usage of earphones(in-ear type) and it caused so much wax buildup and I think my hearing may have been slightly affected

[empty wren]

In ears you mean iems?

[frozen drift]

Yeah in ear earphones

[empty wren]

Or like earbuds

Iems sit deeper

[frozen drift]

Earbuds, i suppose

[empty wren]

Compared to like apple airpods

[frozen drift]

It's the one with silicone tips that can insert all the way into your ears and seal it completely.

[frozen drift]

Should be in-ear earphones, not like apple airpods where it's not a complete seal.

[empty wren]

Like the generic black ones

Well alright

They do create pressure

I think that is why some companies have passthrough

[frozen drift]

I might get myself a headphone in the near future.

[empty wren]

Also over ear ones can be nice

[harsh ether]

get the wax cleaned out properly

[empty wren]

Some of them are - open back -

[harsh ether]

did it once and i heard everything

[harsh ether]

^

[empty wren]

But I guess technically the safest ones could be bone conduction ones

[frozen drift]

But for my phone use I still use wireless earphones with active noise cancellation, because I commute to university back/forth weekly, and oh boy the 2 hour long commute with LRT/MRT and bus are unbearably loud and ANC is a life saver.

[empty wren]

Until someone uses AI to hack a person

[frozen drift]

Yeah should really do it on a yearly basis tbh

[harsh ether]

oh yeah heard about it but never actually looked into it lmao

[empty wren]

You hear the music and surroundings

It is how Beethoven was able to play music

Mind you he used a piece of metal

[frozen drift]

Like earbuds with silicone passthrough to convert it into an in-ear earphone but without the pressure drawback? Albeit still less loud(?)

[harsh ether]

nah i bet he had one of these

[empty wren]

It might mostly be a feels thing I think

[frozen drift]

But like is my understanding of a "pass through" earphone correct?

[empty wren]

Basically they use the microphone to let you hear around you and make you feel like you ears are not completely plunged

[empty wren]

I mean that could potentially be ideal but I do not know of any that do that

It would probably require a tiny motor or some other mechanism

That would technically help with pressure build up though instead of tricking someone's brain

Still though usage in moderation and moderation of volume level is important

[frozen drift]

Can I have an example of what is a pass through earphone? Is it in-ear or earbuds?

[empty wren]

https://support.apple.com/guide/airpods/use-and-customize-transparency-mode-dev966f5f818/web

It is digital not physical

[frozen drift]

Me looking in my professor's office and seeing a corsair H150i AIO CPU cooler in so much confusion, wondering why is there such a random high-end cooler here lol

[lunar elm]

sorry but
no

[harsh ether]

this reads like an ad lmaoo

i still use heatsinks doe

water cooling scawy

[frozen drift]

I don't even use desktop so I cannot give any opinion on desktop coolers lol, you will never hear me saying "hey this CPU cooler is really good!"

[harsh ether]

thermalright and noctua the way to go

[frozen drift]

At best I will give "oh I think this could be good" OR "this looks good"

[harsh ether]

not personally a big corsair fan, but their gaming chair i have is nice

[lunar elm]

corsair fans are basically corsair shills tbh

full ass corsair build

only thing about corsair i like is their SFX PSUs

[frozen drift]

I don't know much about corsair because I also don't use any of their products. What I think can happen in the future is me buying a GPU for eGPU setup. If I have too much money to burn lol

Then I can recommend what GPU brand is good or what not 🤣

[lunar elm]

corsair isnt a gpu brand

[frozen drift]

Although I think corsair's vanguard 96 Pro keyboard looks good

[frozen drift]

I know

I didn't say that

[harsh ether]

i just have seasonic

also i dislike icue software

[frozen drift]

Why you give me this emoji lol. The keyboard does look good. I think the steelseries apex pro gen 3 and the vanguard 96 pro from corsair are good, but I wouldn't buy them because they have no analog input capability

[dull hollow]

this type of scary?

[harsh ether]

haha no, just dont want any leakage

hyte just had recalls because it was gooping out

[rough osprey]

yo get some thicker fans

[dull hollow]

got a free hydroshift 2 so im not complaining

everything except that aio and fans are black

[devout raptor]

apple fumbled this launch

3 weeks and still no stock on the app3

[lunar elm]

apple fumbled this launch ❌
I dont care ✅

[outer spire]

Their newer rmx line of psu’s is so nice and comes with nice sleeved cables too

[outer spire]

Jonnyguru works for corsair in the psu department and is the god of psu’s. Corsair is top tier stuff for psu’s because of him, even surpassing seasonic

Anything else corsair is bottom tier stuff

[outer spire]

Shits tight

[umbral heron]

MANJAROOOOOO

[frozen drift]

Who even is that lol

[outer spire]

Jonnyguru?

[outer spire]

http://www.jongerow.com

Hes the power supply legend. The god of power supplies. Knows them inside and out. Has done the best psu reviews ever. Hes also the leader of the psu cultists and in charge of corsairs psu department.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonnyguru

His linked in

[rough patrol]

still never buying a corsair psu

cause i dont trust that company to not fuck it up

[outer spire]

Jonnyguru doesnt fuck up power supplies lol

And if you look at tier lists corsairs dominantly at the top now

[rough patrol]

jonnyguru isnt personally building every single psu

[umbral heron]

I'm never touching any Seasonic, the amount of issues I had with them
I have tier A XPG now and am happy, it workies

[outer spire]

Look how many of corsair’s psu have A+

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/htmlview?usp=sharing#gid=931697732

[outer spire]

Seasonic is hot garbage. The internet lies

[rough patrol]

thats cool have you considered applying to corsair as a salesman

[outer spire]

I just only trust jonnyguru’s work, he was my savior of the late 90’s and early 2000’s making it easy to know what power supplies to buy

Heres a rescued review of his from that era

http://www.jongerow.com/jonnyguru/SilencerMkIII600W/index.htm

[frozen drift]

Ask him to like redo nvidia's GPU power connection or something. We need that more than anything else right now LMAO.

[outer spire]

Lmao.

I just dont buy nvidia and tell people to buy amd cards with the standard 6/8 pin connectors instead

Simple solution to that problem

[frozen drift]

Too bad nvidia still makes better high end GPUs over AMD

though tbh, in the future if I buy GPUs for eGPUs, I would consider AMD because their 100 series(or whatever they want to name it) looks REALLY good

[frozen drift]

Assuming we can trust the leaks to a certain extend

[rough patrol]

meanwhile i am considering swapping my 4070ti super for a 9070xt cause of driver issues on some games

[frozen drift]

O_0 does the 40 series suffer from driver issues now?? I thought only the 50 series is suffering from that

[rough patrol]

there is a persistent issue with nvidia gpus in path of exile 1 and 2 specifically

where drivers crash completely and the game needs to restart them

[frozen drift]

I also don't feel like buy nvidia products because they are scummy asf, but too bad all gaming laptops only has nvidia GPUs, which is why I mentioned I want AMD to build laptop GPUs.

[rough patrol]

its REALLY annoying

[lyric hatch]

I wonder who manufacturers corsairs top tier psus

[rough patrol]

didnt you read, jonny guru is making them all himself by hand

[outer spire]

Yea for like 2 grand LMAO amd’s rx 9070 xt at $660 is really hard to beat especially when some games it rivals the 5080 even

No ones gonna spend 2 grand for a gpu unless they are dumb or have money to burn

[lunar elm]

the 5070Ti would clear in terms of featureset, especially when running 4K OLED

[frozen drift]

Some people just have money to burn, and I think 5070 Ti still clears 9070 XT.

[outer spire]

Still rather have 9070xt. Has standard 8 pin connectors and drivers and is more efficient and runs cooler

Wont buy nvidia as long as they use those dumb connctors dont care if its slightly faster

[lunar elm]

holy misinfo

[harsh ether]

would rather have 9070xt for linux compat

[outer spire]

That too

[harsh ether]

[frozen drift]

In my country at least, I have a junior who bought RTX 5070 and I asked her why not AMD 9070 XT and she told me "oh everyone recommends nvidia and the 9070 XT is too expensive", in hindsight, I should've asked why not 9060 XT 16 GB

[outer spire]

Yep you should have

[harsh ether]

9060xt 16gig is like 350usd-400usd

[lunar elm]

if you think about it, a 5060Ti 16GB with someone knowledgeable about overclocking is just a 4070 16gb lmao

[outer spire]

Also 5070ti here is averaging $820-860 and rx 9070 xt can be had for $660 so ask me again how the 5070ti is better value lol

[lunar elm]

5070Tis have been found for $750 in the US, while I heard 9070XTs are just dropping sub $700

[frozen drift]

Actually the 9060 XT is so cheap in my country wtf.

[lunar elm]

If its within $100 I’d get the nvidia option, more featureset, better resale opportunity

[frozen drift]

The RTX 5070 is almost 2.7 times the price

[frozen drift]

At the end, I think even if the RTX 5070 is performing better than 5060 Ti(16 GB), it's probably still better to just but 5060 Ti, no? The VRAM capacity is just that much more important

[outer spire]

Thats cool you are nvidia biased, but did you know all the problems nvidia has that they sweep under the rug?

[frozen drift]

Quite a few games are now hitting more than 12 GB of vram in 1440p, no?

[lunar elm]

ur literally just a blind hater with no sound reasoning, I give my personal opinion and reasoning for the differences.

[lunar elm]

Yeah

[outer spire]

I hate nvidia for a multitude of reasons.

[frozen drift]

Nvidia being scummy is an open secret lol. No one would be sane enough to say "oh I buy nvidia because they are a good company and I support them"

Like genuinely anyone who does that is borderline super weird

[outer spire]

Thats the message i get from
Zabanyae

[lunar elm]

mfs be acting like AMD is a 100% pure angel

[frozen drift]

He gave his reasoning because nvidia has better chance of reselling and has better features

And he said if the price is within 100 USD, it's reasonable

[lunar elm]

That $100 compensates for 4K performance hit with MFG, more DLSS4 support, RTX HDR, VSR, better resale opportunities

[umbral heron]

acts less shitty than Nvidia or Intel, that's good enough for me

[outer spire]

My 9070xt does 120-140 frames 4k maxed in all the games i play

[frozen drift]

MFG isn't even good feature unless you have a stable base performance anyway.

[lunar elm]

And no- 9070XT is not more efficient nor really runs noticeable cooler. You also 99.99% of the time wont run into the connector issue with only 350W and thats overclocked.

[frozen drift]

I genuinely want to support intel but man wtf I cannot because they keep being scummy, still not as bad as nvidia i guess

[rough patrol]

i love fake frames!! i love my game looking blurry at 4k!!! more slop please!

[lunar elm]

tbh MFG x3 is usable- 4 has the largest latency hit

[umbral heron]

Like... yeah...

[nimble arch]

For me it’s that more game ship with NVIDIA middleware than AMD.

DLSS is king

[umbral heron]

OptiScaler

[nimble arch]

A lot of games that would benefit from an FSR4 update simply won’t get that update.

[lunar elm]

DLSS4 Performance at 4K looks good, and thats an internal render at about 1080p.

Problem with AMD rn in the upscaling game is that Optiscaler is literally doin their job

[umbral heron]

You need FSR3 in game to run FSR4, but yeah, not enough

[lunar elm]

Not only is DLSS4 growing super fast, you can use the DLSS override/swapper

[lunar elm]

3.1*

[outer spire]

Reason why i think nvidia has poor resale value: friend bought a used 5080, got it home, installed it, no display. Power connector failed and it had a blown capacitor. I dont trust nvidia in the used market

Never ever once had an issue with used amd gpu’s though

[lunar elm]

this sounds
extremely fake

[outer spire]

Its not

[lunar elm]

dude it sounds like a half assed made up story with no good specific details

[outer spire]

Dont believe it then but its a real story

[umbral heron]

i liek amd because their drivers just work

[outer spire]

This too

More user friendly than nvidia

[umbral heron]

I'm on Linux, so no idea about that

[lunar elm]

I… dont get it? Both rn are similar af in terms of stability at least on windows

As stated before, Ive had both shit their pants

[umbral heron]

But yeah, I had 1070Ti, will never go to Nvidia again
It's Intel or AMD from now on

[steady sail]

If u use cuda all day sure

If not just get AMD or Intel

[lunar elm]

all 3

[outer spire]

I also had bad experiences with nvidia

Made me never wanna buy them again

[steady sail]

1000 series where good

[umbral heron]

I mean
There's not even a comparison, at least here
No problems with HDR, multi-refresh rate multi-screen configurations, VKD3D rendering pipeline
Also pretty sure there's like a ton of issues with Wayland on Nvidia
So yeah, Radeon

[steady sail]

When they launched 3000 series the shit show started

[lunar elm]

I can literally slander all 3 companies

[steady sail]

Im fine with whatever GPU i can get my hands on soo

I maybe not choose intel, but if i need to i can just pick that if anything

[umbral heron]

Intel great for HTPC
Runs from PCIe only and encodes AV1 like crazy

Anywho - WHERE MY M39 ADAPTER GLS
I didn't spend 4 hours yesterday cleaning lenses to not use them now

[lunar elm]

Also CPU overhead issue is kinda fixed

[harsh ether]

amdvlk kinda cooked, but the open source radeon-vulkan is good

[umbral heron]

RADV is better in everything than amdvlk but raytracing
So I'm happy that AMD finally dropped that and will introduce their stuff to RADV

[harsh ether]

amdvlk was also just pretty unstable

[umbral heron]

I only used it before with CBP2077 to test how RT works on XTX

[harsh ether]

im on 9060xt

2% worse than 7900xtx but takes a third of the power

[umbral heron]

[harsh ether]

not what i saw on other sites

[lunar elm]

u said 9060 not 9070

[umbral heron]

Though I'm happy I can use FSR4 on XTX now
Will run this GPU until it diedes

[steady sail]

Same

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqL9RPPaITo
Another Google product is dug up from its grave.

[umbral heron]

Another one to the Google graveyard

[bold coyote]

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[steady sail]

[outer spire]

Amd’s 9000 series is insane with how efficient they are

[outer spire]

What gpu are you on

[frozen drift]

didn't he just say that he is using the XTX, which can only be the 7900 XTX lol

[umbral heron]

[outer spire]

He or she?

Also im dyslexic af

[frozen drift]

well that's your user experience, I have never used frame gen before so I wouldn't know.

[frozen drift]

I just assumed his/her gender.

The only thing that truly baffles me is that people who would buy RTX 5080 over RTX 5070 Ti, as far as I know, they are both using the same die anyway, it's just that the 5070 Ti is a binned ver of 5080 with quite a lot of cores disabled, but the RTX 5080 only performs around 5-15% better than the RTX 5070 Ti IIRC, not worth spending so much more money over the 5070 Ti.

Like you want to burn money might as well buy the 5090 T_T

[rough osprey]

i got 5080

[lunar elm]

5080 is the most efficient GPU but not by much
Another reason to buy a 5080 is for people dealing with video editing where it has dual encoders/decoders, whilst everything below only has 1

5090> most powerful
5080> most efficient
5070Ti> best value

[outer spire]

Best value 9070xt at $600-660

[frozen drift]

Oh wells, I was thinking about from a gaming perspective only 😆

[lunar elm]

ur literally bringing amd into a nvidia stack

[rough osprey]

and ig you gotta have a performance minimum at some point

[lunar elm]

actually being extra

[rough osprey]

or you could indefinitely go lower with slightly less performance for less money

[frozen drift]

Does AMD not have any GPUs that have dual encoders/decoders? Tbh not that I know what this is for.

[outer spire]

I just wont get the nvidia bias ever

[lunar elm]

iirc tech city did a video on it, and the encoder/decoders on the 50 series are great, 5050 can beat 4090 in this department.
I think they swapped their 4090s to 5080s, and the only thing that stung was the VRAM reduction. Other than that, its faster and more efficient

[lunar elm]

imma be fr just shut up bro you dont belong in this conversation, ur being extra with ur AMD based take in an nvidia based conversation revolving around the reasons why a 5080

[frozen drift]

it's okay man lol, it's not really a big deal for me lolz.

[rough osprey]

buy whatever makes u happy

[frozen drift]

^ but still spend money wisely I'd supposed.

[frozen drift]

^ back to this tho

[rough osprey]

whatever "wisely" is, is pretty debatable so i wont include it

[outer spire]

Exactly 🙂

[lunar elm]

afaik its just not on the level of the 50 series

[outer spire]

Hes just a hater

A toxic hater.

[lunar elm]

another one sided illusion guy

[rough osprey]

lets just relax

[umbral heron]

https://tenor.com/view/ammm-or-fmmm-why-don't-we-just-relax-or-turn-on-the-radio-suite-life-of-zack-and-cody-london-tipton-brenda-song-gif-862959305960711231

[outer spire]

Im fine

[rough osprey]

take deep breaths

let all your worries fade away

[frozen drift]

I have tons of worries, it won't fade away, I want money and affordable high performance GPUs XD

[rough osprey]

believe in yourself

follow your dreams

[frozen drift]

Actually, I am genuinely impressed by people who can use a laptop for more than 10+ years. For me it just seems so impossible because the hardwares become outdated and slow. If I can make my current laptop last for more than 5 years, I'll be very happy.

[lunar elm]

its pretty possible assuming they only use stuff like excel, word, nothing that stresses their laptop and if they dont change OS

but yeah it’ll run like shit compared to modern hw

[umbral heron]

Meanwhile my X200s

[rough osprey]

office products should imitate real paper and lighting

add pathtracing now

[frozen drift]

as if modern hardwares don't struggle enough.

[umbral heron]

Stable framerates
5fps, but stable

[lunar elm]

fully raytraced but 0% raster game when

[frozen drift]

isn't that the direction nvidia is heading towards? Tbh.

Like oh god I read like articles or watched videos, basically they want to use full AI generated pixels and that sounds dystopian asf ngl.

[lunar elm]

theoretically rn that would be a better experience than the RT and raster hybrid

[frozen drift]

Not as bad as another instagram video that I watched made my skin crawl a bit lol.

[umbral heron]

Yeah, basically throw out 30 years of optimizations because rAYtRaCINg

[rough osprey]

the struggle makes us strong

[rough patrol]

to me its crazy that companies are pushing for that stuff when itll be borderline impossible to enforce a proper and consistent artstyle accross a game

even less so if its somewhat original

[umbral heron]

With what hedge funds and private equities did to economy we are now basically ripped af

[lunar elm]

ahem stutterlands4

[umbral heron]

Yeah, everything will have to be "ultrarealistic"

[frozen drift]

tbh, ultrarealistic graphics are fun, I kinda like the visuals of path tracing on F1 25. It looks insanely good IMO.

but of course your GPU is going to cry.

I don't play it btw, I just watched it on youtube.

[umbral heron]

Oh, sure, but you know, not everywhere
I'd love to see more games with unique art styles and not just ultra-realistic whatevers

[frozen drift]

I guess that is true, turning on path tracing is good for ultra-realism but it kills game graphics visual creativity. I do understand that. Like game visuals are meant to be a way for game creators to demonstrate creativity, not make everything look super real. That I can agree with.

[lunar elm]

stutterlands 4 with that cartoonish look destroying ur gpu anyway;

https://tenor.com/view/vivian-vivian-banshee-zzz-zenless-zone-zero-cute-gif-11694298229791029863

[outer spire]

Poor nvidia cant handle bl4

[lunar elm]

the ragebait from this AMD shill cant be any worse

[outer spire]

Gaymd

Is thermalright peerless assassin worth it over phantom spirit

[lunar elm]

the phantom spirit is more expensive no?

[outer spire]

PA is

[steady sail]

just lower ur graphics settings

Poor 5090 cant run the game great

[frozen drift]

why are we throwing insults at GPUs at this point lmaooo

this conversation is getting really funny ngl

[steady sail]

Bc thats what Randy did

[frozen drift]

randy as in zabanyae?

man lmao

[warm ore]

unfortunately, get used to that here

[rough patrol]

randy pitchford, head of gearbox

[lunar elm]

yo dont associate me with that piece of trash

[outer spire]

Why randy

[lunar elm]

im just stating the facts and differences

[magic minnow]

Like cpu or gpu side?

[outer spire]

I was poking at zabanyae since hes one sided heavily

[lunar elm]

nvidia on their way to do more AI slop:
AMD trying to catch up in encoders and decoders:
Intel trying not to lose money:

[frozen drift]

I don't know who's who lol.

My bad.

[lunar elm]

might sound like im some nvidia shill to some but rly im just stating the facts on who’s better- and the marketshare proves it. Im no AMD hater but other than undervolting and pricing they really dont shine anywhere else, drafting behind nvidia

[warm ore]

Very realistic take!

[lunar elm]

I also have my own nvidia complaints- But they arent towards the company itself, these “company situations shenanigans and shit” is beyond whatever saving you think

If theres valid reasoning, Ill hear you out unless its the same thing repeated over 4000 times about price:performance and release drivers. All 3 companies have had their hiccups and Ive dealt with them

[warm ore]

Keep reading this chat, you will see all kinds of cope tbh (and they wouldn't realise when you have experience with each).

[umbral heron]

Pricing I'd say is a huge part in customer's choice, especially nowadays

[lunar elm]

Its indeed one factor, but it isnt the entire picture

[umbral heron]

Sure, but it's a huge factor nonetheless

Also Linux support, where AMD shines way better than Nvidia

[ashen spindle]

Not for long anymore with all the upcoming changes in vulkan

[umbral heron]

[lunar elm]

Which again, is a niche market

[ashen spindle]

Trying to find the slides later when I’m back

[outer spire]

Drivers crash a ton in windows 10/11, lots of bsod with nvidia kernel error codes, power connectors are a very common weak point, rtx 5000 series has been suffering capacitors blowing up a lot lately, these are all my reasons for avoiding the 5000 series

[rough patrol]

i love how capacitors have nothing to do with nvidia and its just on AIB using shitty capacitors

[lunar elm]

power connectors are only a weak point with cards above 400w
And any 12vhpwr connector that melted with 5090s are rare.

[old marlin]

Tbh have not had a single issue like that with my 5080 in win 11

12vhpwr is a dogshit connector tho, no defending that

[outer spire]

Really is. Any time someone defends it with any reason at all i just eyeroll and ignore it

[old marlin]

Like it would be a well specced connector at like 350 watts

[outer spire]

Capacitor failures happening on 5070, 5070ti, 5080, 5090 is something to worry about too. Same capacitor on the exact location for every brand even nvidia founders edition

[outer spire]

Or you know. Stick with the proven 6/8 pin connectors

[old marlin]

Yea

[fair gull]

for the camera nerds https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XBHiVVhvUtw

[old marlin]

8 pin pcie can handle more power than 12vhpwr iirc

But it is specced really low since the spec is so old

@steady sail 12vhpwr is a headroom of just 10%

[umbral heron]

It can handle ~350W, but be specced to 150W

[old marlin]

It's not unexpected to see that much variance with crimped connectors

[old marlin]

Oh yea nvm, 2 can handle more than 12vhpwr

Which is specced to 660 from molex

And evdently that is about what it can do physically