🔌│tech

[viral hatch]

Yo

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/newz/radeon-rx-9070-flashed-with-xt-bios-gets-up-to-10-20-boost good ol case of bad product segmentation so you can just grab the lower card and basically get the same performance lol

[unkempt lake]

@steady sail

[steady sail]

Im not gonna try that with a single bios card

[unkempt lake]

why not

the chances of it going wrong aint that big

[steady sail]

I never did bios flashing

[unkempt lake]

• you dont need spooky shit anymore

[steady sail]

• im perfectly happy with the non-xt performance

Recently i dont really play games either

[dull hollow]

i decided to buy a low-profile keyboard that i can bring around and i decided on the lofree flow lite

its weird typing on low-profile but i like it so far and it sounds great, i feel like it isnt too loud

[tribal dirge]

nice ncie

I dont usually use a keyboard with my iPad

but it is nice to have!

esp with iPadOS 26

[dull hollow]

ill have to get used to typing on something thats not 60% again lol

[tribal dirge]

rofl

[dull hollow]

since i only use my pointer to type, my hand auto centers itself by having my pinky over the edge but now theres an extra row

now im just waiting on case and screen protector

screen protector should be here tomorrow but case might not show up for another week

[tribal dirge]

ah

[pale sigil]

my domain costs £25 now

[astral haven]

Time to port to cloudflare

[pale sigil]

Tbh I kinda like having the "free" email services on 1and1

Years ago I contacted support about transferring and they gave a discount so I'll probably do that again lol

[astral haven]

Its not free 🤷‍♂️

[pale sigil]

Edited

£10/year let's say

Still pretty good for unlimited forwarding and 2 Inboxes.

Always wanted to self host emails but never liked the idea of my email server going down haha

[astral haven]

Email self host is 😬

[pale sigil]

Ye

That too

My domain is considered "premium"

mrpl.me

[astral haven]

Perk of cloudflare is its allways just the price of registration
Don't get much for free but 🤷

[vagrant pagoda]

i did that once

and i even support clients who do it

its not worth it

[pale sigil]

That's fair, I use it for DNS stuff atm

[astral haven]

I use tunnels for all my stuff

[pale sigil]

Ye same

With um

Cloudflared

However my external server has an admin panel and I use web servers on that as I don't want to host on my local server.

[plush stirrup]

I love seeing if mails get dropped due to antispam though, so for me it is worth it 😛

But I did come from a very interesting mail host that would block entire ASN's if they were too spammy

[devout raptor]

@nimble arch did you get the 3 months of free apple music with the airpods?

[elder dagger]

what happened to @a guy ?

[nimble arch]

I’m not sure. I already have it via Apple One anyway.

[elder dagger]

yo what happened to @aguy?

[nimble arch]

Who?

[elder dagger]

hes my brother he said he got banned here

i just trynna figure out why?

[nimble arch]

I wouldn’t know, I’m not a moderator.

[elder dagger]

oh so should i ask the moderator then

[leaden kiln]

I got that with my old app2 when I first connected them to an iphone

[devout raptor]

aww shit i just wanted to know if its store specific or a general campaign thats going on

apples website says you get it with any device but only like 2 retailers mention it

i just wanna squeeze out all the value

[nimble arch]

Aren’t those promotions for new customers only?

[devout raptor]

im not sure i cant find details about that

hmm it might be

oh yeah found it

new subscribers only

one store is offering free apple tv but i wont bother if it doesnt have anything worth watching

[nimble arch]

There’s a lot of good content on Apple TV+

[devout raptor]

aight then gigantti it is

stock arriving on the 30th😔

delivery would take over 3 weeks from the apple store

man I cant wait to try them out

[devout raptor]

was the ANC up to the hype?

[nimble arch]

Yes

Huge improvements going from Pro 1 to Pro 3

[devout raptor]

i have the 2nd gen

but twice is still a great improvement

also 8 hour battery life means I wont have to recharge during work😤

[halcyon moss]

that is nice!
but even as a dev i hardly have my headphones on for more than a couple of hours

[leaden kiln]

even as someone who works in a decently loud environment I still put mine away in the case when I’m on break

[elder dagger]

jimu

[nova cloak]

Guys my keyboard went to restore mode, its not working. Anyone know how to fix it? Thanks

[halcyon moss]

Do ppl search for an answer?

[steady sail]

no

its much easier to get help from others

[somber linden]

hello

can some1 help me?

[ashen spindle]

idk maybe someone can

[somber linden]

the keyboard e and r are red and its not detected

[ashen spindle]

unplug and replug the keyboard

[somber linden]

didnt help

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258 then

[fair gull]

literally follow the image above your message

[somber linden]

didnt work

[fair gull]

well quin gave you the place to post any more complex issues

[magic minnow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ASRock/comments/1nlbx3i/another_dead_9800x3d_x870e_nova/?

It looks so ugly

[analog sinew]

it looks like every other phone

[digital cliff]

yeah

[warm ore]

AssC*ck strikes again, but interesting case, no pin burn or anything visible.

[frozen ingot]

why does it keeps happening though, even after bios updates and changes

[warm ore]

Would be cool to fully understand, because this makes it really hard for me to recommend any Asrock mobos to clients at all. But without fully understanding it, there might be something on the CPU side aswell.

[frozen ingot]

I had an asrock board just die on me out of nowhere after some 10 months use, but cpu and everything else on it survived

bios hadn't been updated in a long time

[nimble arch]

ASUS boards haven't let me down since my very first PC build

I had some mATX Z97 board paired with an i7-4790K

That 4790K + GTX 970 system was great

[warm ore]

I have never used one for my own daily, considering there were always better or equally good options available, and haven't built a PC with them in a while out of similar principle, so most experience is second hand with these failures, but it will probably stay that way if the bulk of the reports will be with Asrock mobos.

[ashen spindle]

I mean I have yet to see anyone have an issue with ram set at stock speeds so I keep suspecting voltages related to that

so we only see it killing x3d cpus seemingly, and those dont really care for faster ram in 90% of cases

[frozen ingot]

my ram was just set to expo so they ran at the speed they were rated for

[warm ore]

The impact is much less, but it's not a reason to throw bad RAM at it, thats the only thing i would keep in mind.

[ashen spindle]

nono expo is overclocking, thats not stock

and that does change voltages on the board/imc so thats my guess

like to me it makes 1fps difference at best if I keep it on or off so I keep it off, means I never run into ram retraining etc. either

[frozen ingot]

I find it kinda funny how you have to use an overclocking profile just to get the ram to run at their advertised speed

[warm ore]

Thats how it always worked

[ashen spindle]

well thats a different thing, if it should be not advertised or not etc.

it does in fact change voltages and that could be the cause

[warm ore]

Technically overclocking, a simple toggle in practice (should be anyway minus edge issues)

[frozen ingot]

doesn't make it less weird tbh, with most other things you get what you paid for without such hoops

[warm ore]

Well it's just how it's all designed, you can say anything about it, the best you can do if you don't agree is buy JEDEC rated RAM and stay at that speed/timings and cope with the slower system.

[ashen spindle]

I mean you can buy jedec 6000 ram

sure the timings arent great but on an x3d in most cases that really doesnt change anything

[frozen ingot]

like if I buy 6000mhz ram it should run at that speed without tinkering imo but you're right that's not how things really work

[warm ore]

On the other hand it can/will raise your SOC Voltage, i would manually dial it back to or below 1.2V.
Then you are already a step ahead of potential failure.

[ashen spindle]

I buy 6000mhz ram it should run at that speed without tinkering
it could, if you buy one with 6000 as jedec raiting

thats only if the cause if SOC voltage and not asrock bios changing something else as a reaction to non jedec timings

but until I have an issue or see someone else with jedec timings have an issue I will assume that theory is likely, and even in cpu bound games I dont drop fps from it, so I just keep it that way for me

[warm ore]

It will run at the DDR5 spec's lowest MHz, this is done iirc to prevent booting or other type of issues right after insertion.
As it's lighter for the IMC to handle.

[frozen ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-too-old-for-this-shit-tired-fucked-up-tired-of-it-no-strength-gif-16230022505389730686

[ashen spindle]

I mean, just wait for next gen socket and hope we do switch to lpddr6 on desktop too, then theres a chance we dont even have expo anymore

[warm ore]

And i wouldn't call a simple DOCP/XMP toggle tinkering, you are just going from SAFE to RATED.
But sure, for complete amateurs it might be challenging to get to that BIOS setting.

[frozen ingot]

there's tons of people who just buy a gaming pc never touching the bios

[warm ore]

I know

[frozen ingot]

and often they leave performance on the table because of it

[warm ore]

Sadly it's just one of those things that doesn't work the way some consumers would assume it does, so it requires that one step.

[frozen ingot]

in case of prebuilds they should do that shit for you but many don't

[reef patrol]

The trouble with XMP is that not all OEMs/Sellers enable it, when they mean to (or advertise it), nor is it default on a fresh install/BIOS Update.

[warm ore]

If it's pre-builts, it would be best practice to have that done ahead of time.

And documented with stress testing.

[warm ore]

I set it quite low even on AM4 (1.1V set in this case).
IMC never screamed, RAM OC stayed stable.

[digital cliff]

meanwhile I got the first AssUs board of my life and had so many issues that I'll never again buy from em

[frozen ingot]

I've had issues with most brands tbh

[warm ore]

aSUS isn't immune ofcourse

[frozen ingot]

if you've used PC's for 30+ years its kinda unavoidable I guess

I member when msi was memeworthy dumpster level cheap in the early 00s and they all the rage now

[plush stirrup]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiTngvvD5dI

They have eum had issues aswell not long ago 😛

[nimble arch]

The only time I touched another brand was GIGABYTE and ended returning it for an ASUS board within a week.

Albeit that was when I got the 3700X at least.

On a new platform/chipset.

[frozen ingot]

gigabytes P35-DS3 and DS4 were great, used them for a few years

[warm ore]

Ohh yeah plenty of aSUS stories in the last what, 1-2 years, motherboard related too.

[frozen ingot]

good oc boards, plenty of chipset cooling for the time, lots of vrm

[plush stirrup]

Some RAM does run at 5600 JEDEC also needs motherboard support afaik

[warm ore]

The last one i recall they had a component facing the wrong way on the board and leading to failures, i think it was one of the higher end board too, but possibly contained and damage covered.

[plush stirrup]

at this point whatever you buy is like gambling, in a few years you'll see if it still works or not 🥲

[ashen spindle]

technically its specced till ddr5-8800 but 6400 and above needs to be CUDIMMs

[warm ore]

I mean yes and no, you can give some time to yourself before purchase and do some research what you are buying and how well it is. Before doing impulse purchases, and thats the best you can do to potentially avoid.
Early adoption will always have these results. Beyond all this, theres still a miniscule chance sure, but miniscule.

[plush stirrup]

I had them for my Intel CPU, despite my intel CPU throttling at 85°C after a while, I had no issues, but since it was a 13th gen I'll just blame the CPU 😄

[frozen ingot]

I try to do as much research as I have the energy for these days but still hard to avoid all pitfalls

like asrock looked great on paper at the time but then a few months later reports of dead boards/cpus started piling up

[unkempt lake]

And then yours died

[frozen ingot]

yep

that was a bummer

[unkempt lake]

And then sorias died

[frozen ingot]

hey at least it didn't take the cpu with it

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-top-gear-still-could-be-worse-richard-hammond-james-may-gif-2335331948908363786

[plush stirrup]

I mean the 9800x3d's don't blow up on day 1, it can take a year and such, same for 13th and 14th gen CPU's that can take years... when I bought my 13th gen the only known thing was that it ran pretty hot and was very inefficient... So unless you're buying into an old platform/CPU it's still a gamble.

[unkempt lake]

And my brother's friend's cpu also died in an asrock mobo

[ashen spindle]

but also the board died not the cpu in it so not related to the other issue

[frozen ingot]

yeah I have zero clue what happened to my board tbh

[unkempt lake]

Oh thought it was the cpu

[frozen ingot]

it did ran an outdated bios but that's about all the "symptoms" I could muster

[unkempt lake]

But yeah my brother's friend has an asrock b850 board and a 7800x3d no expo no pbo no nothing no bios updates and the chip killed itself

After a few months poof

[plush stirrup]

let's hope it doesn't happen to me on MSI xD

[frozen ingot]

am running a replacement of the same asrock board model now and yeah we'll see how it goes

[pastel galleon]

did you have bsods?

[unkempt lake]

Dude was a noob and hadn't touched anything was running entirely stock bios

[frozen ingot]

if it dies again I'll probably consider getting something else, probably maybe definitely

annoying thing is this config is fucking stable as an (as)rock

like extremely rare to have crashes or hiccups

[plush stirrup]

no but I don't exactly remember, but I could fully load the E cores... and the P cores would start thermal throttling at 85°C, the E cores were lower temp, not sure why that happened, but it should only throttle at 100 afaik, I think there was also some other stuff, like certain things crashing which I haven't noticed yet on AMD so far...

[frozen ingot]

few pc's I've owned has been as spotless to use as this one really

[plush stirrup]

same for me and the asrock board on intel, was pretty flawless, good support, easy bios, but I didn't dare for my AMD CPU 😛

[pastel galleon]

my 13700K had so many bsods

I even power limited it and temp limited it to 78 C

[steady sail]

*its 6 years old btw

[plush stirrup]

:3

[plush stirrup]

I mean my CPU I power limited to 253W or so otherwise it'd be using 300+ xD

[frozen drift]

Can anyone tell me if there's a limit to how much storage I can use via thunderbolt 4 on my laptop if I want to get an external SSD enclosure and nvme SSD in the future? I may have to resort to this as my laptop storage is kinda being eaten up after just half a year of usage lol.

[ashen spindle]

no any connection limits speed not capacity you can attach

[frozen drift]

So I can technically get 4 TB NVME Gen 3/4 SSD for thunderbolt 4 and it will work just fine right? *I do know that thunderbolt 4 can only run on Gen 3 NVME speeds but getting gen 4 would still be fine for me(when I transition to a new laptop with TB5 in the future) + gen 3 NVME seems to be going extinct.

[ashen spindle]

you can attach 100tb ssds yes

[frozen drift]

At least TB4 is useful for this. Thank you btw.

[ashen spindle]

I mean you can do the same over USB2 even its just much slower lol

[digital cliff]

thunderbolt is still a thing? I thought we replaced it with USB4 already

[frozen drift]

Yeah I mean it depends, currently I am running on 1 TB SSD and only 1 slot, I do have a second SSD slot and will likely use it in the near future(I can see myself needing the second slot in the middle of next year). However, my laptop is only limited to 2 TB SSD(this is what is recommended by the manufacturer) and any more expansion would mean flash drive/external SSD(nvme/SATA)/external HDD.

[unkempt lake]

I have an 11 year old ssd in my system

[pastel galleon]

i had to limit mine to 95W because I was using the fractal ridge

[unkempt lake]

With better drive remaining life xD

[warm ore]

Sure, but you can do your best to research into this issue that now has been documented over some time, to potentially buy hardware combos and set settings to minimize the possibility for this happening. It's the best thing you can do.

[frozen drift]

it is very much still a thing, no? Especially thunderbolt 5 are now available on high end laptop models now. USB 4 and thunderbolt 4 are the same thing, and technically USB 4 can reach thunderbolt 5 but the necessary PCIe controller is not mass produced for USB 4 yet(according to chatgpt anyway, don't quote me on this as I am not very experienced in this matter either).

[plush stirrup]

now is the keyword, it is why I didn't get asrock, if I had done it years ago when AM5 released I wouldn't be able to

[ashen spindle]

do not listen to chatgpt on hardware details

[steady sail]

I love samsung

[frozen drift]

of course not, I just take it with a grain of salt

[warm ore]

Never early adopt, if you are that afraid or don't have proper coverages. Especially when to comes to Asrock, it wasn't that recommended in the past over other equal or better alternatives, these issues just make it less so.

[plush stirrup]

I once asked gemini deep research if I could have 2 coax modems (different ISP's) with 1 incomming cable from the street, it very confidently answered no 🥲

[warm ore]

That being said, i'm doing just that next year, cause i'm that adventurous

[frozen drift]

Anyone here pairs gaming laptop with keyboard? I'm curious how many people are like me(maybe don't have to reply me and just react to this message with a thumbs up emoji)

[plush stirrup]

I knew it was possible so I had to search for it myself and at the end of a forum post the ISP that owns the coax network officially confirmed you can get 2 ISP's on the same coax, for internet, so 2 modems.

[warm ore]

I have done it with my fathers laptop when i visited him, not a gaming laptop, but i was gaming on it. Couldn't stand the laptop keyboard, so i just attached mine.

[plush stirrup]

asrock has been solid on my 13th gen, they were also the first to release non beta microcode updates, other brands had different/similar issues aswell as what asrock is currently having

[warm ore]

Idk what to say to you brother, then keep buying and recommending Asrock? I avoid both for a good while.

[steady sail]

i was a laptop + keyboard gamer for 5 years, before i got my PC from my father lol

[plush stirrup]

ASUS their issues are 2y ago, etc, and I said I avoided asrock myself?

[warm ore]

I have no clue why do i keep getting contradicting tags then

[plush stirrup]

I didn't get it for AM5, but I did get it for my intel and it was pretty stable until my intel CPU started throttling and I returned it to intel.

[warm ore]

Great, then keep buying it for Intel, what do you want from me to add.

[plush stirrup]

🤣

[frozen drift]

I see, well for me personally, I feel like having a good gaming laptop is just a lot more convenient regardless of the performance drop from their desktop counterpart due to insufficient cooling capacity(relative to desktop parts). As I am currently still studying as a postgraduate student, having a laptop is a necessity for me currently as I am travelling back and forth from my university to my house on a weekly basis(if it was a desktop I would've been in some trouble). + What I think is viable is also eGPU setup as thunderbolt 5 can handle high-end GPUs without significant losses(the loss is still big but nowhere near as atrocious as TB4), making high-end gaming a possibility(not that I have the budget for it now but yeah it is a possibility). Portability is really still an important metric for me, which is why I cannot see myself building a desktop in the near future.

[lofty pivot]

As someone who has owned egpu before, they’re not worth

[frozen drift]

Although since this is tech channel, I want to know if anyone here is expert enough to tell me what could be the potential future for thunderbolt 6, I'm just looking for educated guesses as I know there's basically zero news about it as TB5 is literally still a new thing now. Will PCIe 5.0 X4 be a thing for TB6? Or is wire for it going to be impossible to be manufactured?

[frozen drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl087NBU18w this shows a lot of promise so I think it's viable(of course if you don't mind burning cash xD).

[lofty pivot]

If you ever venture down that path just build a small desktop rig at that point

The cost savings vs just building a mini desktop rig is not worth

[steady sail]

yeah a ITX pc would worth it more

[frozen drift]

yeah this makes a lot of sense. Just need a foldable monitor lol

[lofty pivot]

You’re about to venture down the mistake path that almost every tech need laptop buyer has made honestly

[unkempt lake]

Tbh not even

[lofty pivot]

Gaming laptops sound neat but then you realize later it’s better to have just bought a portable laptop for work and a desktop for gaming

[unkempt lake]

better to have a desktop and a laptop

The mini desktop rig will also be a waste

[lofty pivot]

i mean a full desktop mini itx rig

not as in make a fake desktop

[frozen drift]

yeah make sense, many people like the hybrid approach. It depends, I don't have that much money, will explore this option in the future.

[unkempt lake]

Every single person that i know that built an itx rig ends up with it sitting on their desk and not going anywhere with it

The itx portability argument is a meme

[lofty pivot]

well yeah, i assume if he wants small it's for the size more so than travelling with it

no one except small crowd is travelling with itx, you don't build it for portability mostly

it's for just it being small in your room

[unkempt lake]

But even then... a small mid tower just kinda fits on the floor and takes little to no space

Unless you live in a super cramped room

[lofty pivot]

yeah but people like small so they build small

it's not a 'logic' thing

it's a 'i like small rigs'

optimum tech has plenty of room to build a normal sized pc, but he'll build a mini pc because he likes the size of mini pc

[unkempt lake]

Worse noise worse compatibility if you want to swap something in it

Way costlier

[lofty pivot]

yep, trust me i know. I've owned all 3 options. Gaming laptop that was $5k, mini itx pc and egpu

none of them are best bang for your buck but people will pick them for various reasons

[unkempt lake]

Proper tower + laptop is the best option

Use the proper device for the job

Instead of trying to compromise everything in one

[lofty pivot]

itx is more if you have the money these days and because you like having cute small rigs

trying to judge it by pure logical best value option isn't going to work

[unkempt lake]

My pc is the opposite of an itx

Its a monster of a case

Meshify 2 xl

[lofty pivot]

and that's fine too, some folks like monster cases

[unkempt lake]

Was cheaper than the regular meshify lol

So i was like why not

[steady sail]

i do want a small size pc just for a home server lol

[unkempt lake]

Only valid reason tbh

Or an htpc

[steady sail]

but idk what cases would work for that nicely

that could house 2x20TB HDD and a few 240 and 120gb sata ssd's lol

as for some reason at home i have like 4x240gb and 3x120gb ssd lol

[frozen drift]

that is some weird numbers, usually isn't it like 128 GB or 256 GB? Also, does 20 TB HDD with 7200 RPM exist?

[steady sail]

the HDD's are SAS ones

would cost me 200 pounds lol

[frozen drift]

o_0, first time I learn a different type of HDD other than SATA exists

[fair gull]

why would they be 7200 when 5400 and JBOD features are preferable

high capacity HDDs are primarily medium term to long term storage

[steady sail]

there are 120gb and 240gb sata ssd's out there still to this day

[frozen drift]

idk, higher speed? Although I'm aware that 7200 RPM HDD is still awfully slow. Also, I don't know what JBOD features are, I'm not good with this kind of stuff.

[digital cliff]

because 240GiB is 256GB

[steady sail]

i have these at home like 4 of them xd

[fair gull]

JBOD (just a bunch of disks) is how most datacenters organize disks. they have chassis where you just connect disks in and they all run side by side. youd want features in those HDDs to mitigate the vibrations from 40 HDDs or so all vibrating in 1 chassis

[frozen drift]

So as far as I know(I just googled it on the fly) JBOD means that all of the HDDs essentially function as one large HDD, in datacenters, homeservers or NAS and they can read sequential datas faster?

[fair gull]

no thats a form of RAID

and yes you try to regain read speeds with RAID as well as HDD failure safety

write speeds usually suffer from RAID

but that can also be solved with SSD cache drives. so the write happens to that first and then can happen from the SSD cache to the HDD RAID array

the reason i said JBOD is that most bigger clusters just have JBOD chassis in the rack which dont have any CPU or such inside but just connect to some head unit that then does all the actual work of setting up RAID and what not.

something like this basically

some fancy HDDs offer things like more vibration resistance or even syncing the motors so they basically all vibrate in a way they dont influence each other

but yeah speed in these applications isnt the main worry

also the amount of disks in that pic i sent is not smth to take lightly.... its heavy AF

[frozen drift]

So like JBOD is basically a method on how to physically connect the HDD clusters?

[reef patrol]

If its all JBOD, where's the redundancy?

[ashen spindle]

it doesnt have any

thats.. the like key difference between jbod and raid

[rough osprey]

is there redundancy if i explode the planet

[reef patrol]

Sounds like a poor choice for a data center then

[ashen spindle]

depends

all a matter of cost

[fair gull]

a jbod can do raid

nothing stopping a jbod to run a raid

raid is always just a software solution at the end of the day

[reef patrol]

Right - But if JBOD is presenting as a single, massive disk, how does a RAID setup know what data to duplicate and where?

[fair gull]

no

that be a raid

jbod is literally just connecting all disks to a host as individual disks

what you describe is raid0

[ashen spindle]

jbod isnt really a strict system like raid its just a generic term

[reef patrol]

Oh. I see. 😄

Ahh I appear to be a victim of misnomers.

[fair gull]

synology doing the lords work i see

[halcyon moss]

It probably means not going through a hardware raid controller in this context? (not the synology thing)

Hardware raid is Thankfully going the way of the dodo. Zfs or software raid is just better

[steady sail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrOBzFwVzwA

[unkempt lake]

Silver best color anyways

For this gen

[frozen ingot]

disregard smartphone, return to monke

[vagrant pagoda]

the naming is from back pre days of massive disk count support, raid enclousers had raid internally, then presented as a single disk over scsi

[steady sail]

i would get a case for my phone anyway xd

[vagrant pagoda]

jbod would have multiple scsi connections, as you only got 8/16 drives per channel

most with more than 32 drive enclosuers would have 2 or 4 channel raid inside and would show up as 2/4 disks to the host

[devout raptor]

bro i figured out what freezes my discord

if I type, stop and then hold on someones message to reply it doesnt pop the menu and makes the client unresponsive

[halcyon moss]

Oh yeah, it's so long ago I forgot that how it used to work

[vagrant pagoda]

are you even that old XD

[halcyon moss]

I'm not in my 20ies if you mean that

Or 30ies...

[outer spire]

https://videocardz.com/newz/buyer-expecting-geforce-rtx-5080-ends-up-with-a-brick-reddit-calls-it-foundation-edition

I would be so mad

[devout raptor]

the price difference in local retailers between 5080 models is insane

ventus model 1069€
tuf model 1529€

[unkempt lake]

I remember a redditor doing this once and it ended up being a fake post

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/eZqXlWTxLJ

[outer spire]

Sounds right for Reddit.

They downvote facts but upvote fake fantasies

[unkempt lake]

So honestly i don't even know anymore

[outer spire]

This ones real and not fake but one time on amazon i ordered a klim jacket because they were the only one to have it in stock and it said delivered and i never got it then two days later it showed up on my doorstep opened with a tear down the sleeves no packaging nothing. That was my only shipping horror story

Amazon told me they couldn’t do anything since it was opened and used and i said it came that way???? I was out $375

[devout raptor]

wow sapphire made b850 motherboards at insanely competitive prices

[outer spire]

Show

[warm ore]

TuF tax kek

[tribal dirge]

I always got the black or silver phones LMAO

[outer spire]

For this gen yes idk why they didnt do black blacks always the best looking iphone

[wheat plume]

Hah
CachyOS shout-out

Not sure if telling people to jump straight to Arch Linux is a good idea.....

[steady sail]

tbh win 11 is fine, not great, not meh

[unkempt lake]

oh no not mutahar

[nimble arch]

W11 is honestly fine for a gaming system

[steady sail]

tbh i would love to have a gaming version of it without the bloat

[fair gull]

10s got it

[ashen spindle]

well they are making the xbox fullscreen mode for handhelds, so there will be something alongside next xbox I assume to be a gaming os

[wheat plume]

Hmmm
I need to see what the windows on that Xbox handheld is like

[ashen spindle]

not too different because you select a game then play

like steam big picture

[nimble arch]

I just want the optimisations on normal Windows 11

[ashen spindle]

what optimizations

[rough osprey]

the evil bloat

stealing all the fps

[analog sinew]

amazon once sent me 2 out of 4 items i bought, i wrote em, they said ok we redund, only refunded one

had to write em again

one time they just sent sth back internally that was the last item on sale, then stock was 1 again but sale gone

[warm ore]

The rare cases where Amazon is cool when you order an NVME drive, but instead you get a full box of them. Amazon is like oops, just keep it.

[ashen spindle]

windows isnt lacking optimizations for gaming its needing a better UI for handheld and a simpler default so battery life is better and not up to the handheld maker to fuck up

[analog sinew]

once the package never showed and they sent automatic refund, 2 months later it came

shame it was just a pack of undies

coulda been great

[gusty kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4sjZeEJR60

HE600 seems promising

[rough osprey]

hall effect???

[gusty kiln]

I actually don't know what the HE for hifiman stands for

[pastel galleon]

600% Hall Effect?!

[dull hollow]

just got the screen protector on my ipad and used the pencil for the first time, its so satisfyingly smooth

i actually like the feeling of writing on a glass display

[steady sail]

[dull hollow]

no $40 paper imitating screen film for me

and minus display quality of a tandem oled

[tribal dirge]

required in some cases depending on what games you play

[tribal dirge]

you get used to it! it's nice!

thankfully the apple pencil tips are a reasonable price

[steady sail]

i mean if u wanna play the newest multiplayer games soon everyone needs win11

[tribal dirge]

yeah, the anti-cheats hate virtualized environments

[tribal dirge]

you could also get 3rd party nibs if you dont like the feel of the stock one

[tribal dirge]

those actually ruin the sharpness of the iPad screen

they look kinda horrible

[dull hollow]

i jsut did the lg oled test against the ipad, samsung g60sd and my lg ips monitor and holy

I didnt know oled could get any better

[tribal dirge]

Tandem OLED is amazing

deeper blacks and brighter colors

[distant tapir]

Still room for improvement

Although oled will probably be abandoned tech before it gets as far as it can go

[dull hollow]

the ipad at full brightness in the dark

[astral haven]

yea but how about when its light out

[distant tapir]

Still need an oled monitor with real hdr brightness

[astral haven]

it still gets wrekt by the oled thats on the iphones, only advantage is its bigger

[gusty kiln]

IPS with RGB FALD seems to be the best in terms of image and color

or VA with RGB FALD

[astral haven]

sure but rgb fald isnt available for anything short of that 1 hisense monster

[gusty kiln]

kek yeah

can't wait for it to trickle down

[astral haven]

best is actually oled, but only on the reference monitors without any abl

and those burn in quiiiiick

also are 40k

[gusty kiln]

qdel soon ym

[astral haven]

i await

[gusty kiln]

https://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/TCL-unveils-prototype-QD-EL-laptop-display-and-worlds-first-1000Hz-monitor

working laptop prototype

so it's actually real

[distant tapir]

Looking forward to when there is no difference in picture quality between professional displays and high-end gaming monitors

[astral haven]

not gonna happen

[distant tapir]

Why not?

[astral haven]

energy laws

[distant tapir]

Lol. True I guess

[gusty kiln]

lol yeah what would be the maximum nits allowed for like a 27"

[astral haven]

in the us its higher since its only the size of the outlet thats the limit, so like 10k range probably

[gusty kiln]

casually having a mini-sun in your office

[astral haven]

in eu you arent allowed to sell certain consumer devices that use too much power continuously

[astral haven]

only 4 orders of magnitude off of sun -_-

[gusty kiln]

[distant tapir]

But at least colour reproduction will just improve and improve until there is no further upgrades to be had that we can detect with our eyes

[astral haven]

nay, brightness is part of color

to hit 100% bt2020 you need 10k nits not optional

[gusty kiln]

yeah that's why RGB FLAD looks so good

[astral haven]

im here coping with my white fald :/

[gusty kiln]

lol me with my standard IPS

[astral haven]

tbf it would be perfectly fine with 1.5 -30k nits and youd have a hard time distinguishing the two if you fade between them slow enough
but yea 10k aint the limit

this is why vr is so hype

its years away, but with only 100 or so watts, sunlight brightness is possible in a headset

[pastel galleon]

This is the stuff I'm excited for

QDEL displays should have a theoretically have less trouble resisting burn-in because it's not organic

DP 2.2 UHBR320 imagine

[rough osprey]

idc about brightness

my monitors are bright enough

tv could be a bit more ig

[lunar elm]

get flashed once and rip eyes

[dull hollow]

just dont get flashed

[lunar elm]

i know some madman fkin using 800 dpi 1.1 sens

mf does 10 360s across his mousepad

[dull hollow]

im .14 on 1600 in val

[lunar elm]

im on .2 trying .15 but like

.15 is fucking hard to dodge any flash

.2 is like, a 50% chance depending on how the flash was thrown

[dull hollow]

i used to play .4 on 800

[lunar elm]

how do i put this

[dull hollow]

hardest flash to dodge for me is phoenix, anyone else is fine

[lunar elm]

Playing any sens in the sub 300 range is like…. taping ur hand to the steering wheel of a car. the turning radius is so fucking small

[dull hollow]

i think its just the pop time and the need to anticipate it

[lunar elm]

if the phx or yoru flash is thrown like shit its still avoidable

[dull hollow]

oh yeah for sure but 90% of the time they’re actually good

[lunar elm]

i cant dodge flashes for shit below .15

[dull hollow]

just takes time to get used to

[lunar elm]

while playing (practising) jett i stick to 0.2

[magic minnow]

Idk where to post this, I guess here since it’s Ai related?

Poor guy

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/farnsworth-futurama-gif-5319799

[outer spire]

Same mansen. Same

Unfortunately we have to

[umbral heron]

Short conversations? That didn't end well with racist AI Darth Vader in Fortnite

[outer spire]

Can i do this with my waifu?

[frozen ingot]

I swear every shitty overused dystopian sci-fi trope we used to see in...sci-fi, is becoming a reality

we have an expression here that roughly translates to walking over corpses, this is literally that over money

[pale sigil]

It was glorious

[vagrant pagoda]

rip my laptop got the ssd killed update and i didnt notice

it runs for like 5 min and then craahes and recovers after hard power cycle

fun

crystaldiskmark shows 100% life too

[raw zephyr]

🖥️ 💥

[vagrant pagoda]

either that or its just dieing

who knows lol

[raw zephyr]

you should run system file checker just in case, maybe something is corrupted on your system and your ssd is completely fine

[crimson wigeon]

Oh yeah time for some good old sfc /scannow and dism /repairsomethingsomethinghealth

[raw zephyr]

the 2 commands that you run so often on a windows machine yet you need to look them up every time

[vagrant pagoda]

oh im just going to get a new drive

luckily its a fancy dell so it can install windows from dell over wifi with no os

[harsh ether]

who remembers when they still put the man in movies when he was barely like... functioning

kind sad imo

[vagrant pagoda]

you mean they let the creator into the movie as a homage?

and he did it every movie

that isnt sad

[harsh ether]

i just remember there was a lot of bad things going on with how he was treated

https://www.aarp.org/entertainment/celebrities/stan-lee-elder-abuse/

[vagrant pagoda]

none of that has to do with the cameos

[bold coyote]

https://a.co/d/7Dav8OG

[halcyon moss]

got to milk the weebs

[tribal dirge]

It is very usable under direct sunlight

1000 nits SDR brightness is plenty

Although you only get the 1000 bits when the ambient light sensor detects that it's actually needed

Otherwise it tops out at 600 nits

Pretty smart system if you ask me

I use auto-brightness so I don't really notice it at all

[leaden kiln]

Got me for a mic arm but they forgot to milk me, money is back in my account despite it being on the way 💀

[ashen spindle]

https://vx-api.gitbook.io/vx-api/my-projects/why-do-video-games-use-kernel-mode-anti-cheats neat a basic look with links to more in detail things I can throw at people when they dont really understand what it does

[devout raptor]

was browsing a tech forum and found some strange fella saying he uses 16k dpi on desktop because its ergonomic

[devout raptor]

to spy on you of course

[vagrant pagoda]

but they dont work XD

[ashen spindle]

vanguard is the best AC we have by far

[vagrant pagoda]

and it still gets bypassed

[ashen spindle]

every AC will always have a weakpoint until its fixed

and it doesnt need to catch 100% of cheats to be good

[vagrant pagoda]

but its also literally spyware

[ashen spindle]

not any more than the discord client you are using right now

[vagrant pagoda]

way more you know they scan almost every file on your hard drive. they have sent bans for people have github repos of cheats downloaded

[ashen spindle]

I'd like to see some proof for that and you also dont need kernel acces to do that

[vagrant pagoda]

i didnt say it was spyware because it was kernel mode, i said it was spyware

[ashen spindle]

well yeah anti virus is also spyware

[vagrant pagoda]

and its well know vgs scans literally every file on your hard drive

[ashen spindle]

the post is about why its using kernel level specifically not what AC does in general

[vagrant pagoda]

but it dosnt work any better than normal ac, there are 100s of working right now cheats you can download for free

hardware both visual and dma are avavilbe

[ashen spindle]

vangaurd stops a ton of hardware cheats

vanguard also is stopping dma

[vagrant pagoda]

no it stops some firmwares, it dose nothing for the hardware

and stoping dma dosent need kernel mode

nor scaning everyfile you have

[ashen spindle]

I know it doesnt I'm just replying to the points you make now

[vagrant pagoda]

so am i

being spyware is the lazy way to do anticheat

it requires the least skill

[ashen spindle]

sure its one way to catch things that can circumvent other aspects without needing to perfectly have everything else covered

[ashen spindle]

also regarding DMA https://vxtwitter.com/ItsGamerDoc/status/1958935350916915647

GamerDoc (@ItsGamerDoc)

Two weeks ago, one of our chad engineers cooked so we released our IOMMU Restriction Enforcement, which marked the end of 2PC DMA attacks using IOMMU. This is where the device itself is contained in its own memory region and cannot read outside of it. No matter what you do, tampering with that would defeat the purpose of the 2PC "security" benefit.

The biggest P2C devs, including devices like HPTT that cost $4500, have all either given up or are coping on theories of how they can get around it or try to resort to finding niche stupid things that gets them detected/banned lmao.

It is a relatively simple area to cover, not a particularly problematic surface area.

I have collected their tears for your enjoyment https://t.co/lKBzVH1yqE
and here is a video a 2PC DMA cheat dev has posted https://t.co/tgUERCNVJg

This marks the end of 2PC DMA ATTACKS 2016-2025

vxTwitter / fixvx · Aug 22, 2025, 4:52 PM

[vagrant pagoda]

iommu was using vms

[ashen spindle]

uhhh no I dont think so?

they've been detecing quemu and other VMs long before this

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/good-burger-some-of-these-gif-12933391

[lunar elm]

vanguard whenever i reinstall drivers:

[ashen spindle]

tldr they enabled some checks that limit memory access from other programs, mostly catching some hardware cheats which were quite expensive

[reef patrol]

Ah so it's pro anti-cheat. I found that very hard to parse if they defeated some anticheat or defeated the cheat. 😄

[ashen spindle]

hes on the anti cheat team at riot

[reef patrol]

It's Twatter. I can't click anything past the thumbnail.

[ashen spindle]

ik thats why I'm adding the info

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/i-appreciate-you-demetria-mckinney-janine-payne-tyler-perrys-house-of-payne-thank-you-gif-18556694

[reef patrol]

She THICC

Windows do be Windowsing.

[hasty thunder]

ah yes, overclocking is dead. Sure thing

[ashen spindle]

I mean yeah now compare fps gains in a game

[hasty thunder]

fair point, but then again when i tune my 9070 XT just right i get about 5-10% more FPS. Depending on the title

[lunar elm]

i undervolted mine to be within 5% of stock while eating 70w less xd

[light drum]

where can i find support?

[steady sail]

support.wooting.io

[gusty kiln]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nvidia-invest-100-billion-openai-161035712.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cucmVkZGl0LmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALbjJ6gFU_3gpnPmzlQHzEKv8_I4yhPwbewnt_T4StCJgSmPFTASJlO0pYVamWdMjm3ftPXJGmq0BitH7RnSUoh1tNR1s-ZNvLm4EGiR5pICLiem73G3cmW3dMcDIW8i40dncGzE1hmax5h4nyebSeDLiBiDKDV4DlIMSKgAYMbG

[vapid ruin]

gotta keep the bubble growing

[halcyon moss]

Ai already kinda is a comodoty, the freely available models are pretty good at a lot of things already.

And don't even need super high end hardware

[rough osprey]

only 4k points above 7800x3d :/

[hasty thunder]

it's not about the points, because R23 is crap anyway to determine real performance. What's impressive is the 105.5 BCLK here

[ashen spindle]

OpenAI and its backer Microsoft also announced earlier this month that they have signed a non-binding deal for new relationship terms that would allow for OpenAI's restructuring into a for-profit company.
Open(on the stock market)AI

[umbral heron]

3% over PBO with EXPO

Congrats

[halcyon moss]

For 100 of euros extra

[ashen spindle]

No Theres nothing there that was used that costs more

[thick elk]

I still remember the times overclocks did a lot, 3570k to 4.7ghz, hd7950 huge gains also, sure there are still some to be had, but nowhere near as much most of the time.

[unkempt lake]

Unless you play at 1080p you won't even be able to tell your 9800x3d is oced

Ocing is dead

On cpus

[sharp magnet]

anyone else having problem with removing switches from their 80he?

[steady sail]

Nope

[ashen spindle]

That’s not even remotely the case many games are cpu limited even at higher resolutions

[sharp magnet]

tried a lot and in the end managed to break a small piece of the switch remover you get when you buy it

and I need to return the module since I somehow ordered the ANSI module and not the ISO Nordic

and I bought 3rd party switches as well

[steady sail]

You can push out the switches on the back of the module

[sharp magnet]

do i not have to open the module for that?

[steady sail]

[sharp magnet]

well fuck

[sharp magnet]

does it void the warranty?

otherwise that is the only way to do it

[steady sail]

U just have to remove the tape mode on the back

[sharp magnet]

Screws tho?

[steady sail]

I dont know that

[sharp magnet]

huh?

[reef patrol]

The tape has hole everywhere you see screws?

Otherwise you uh... wouldn't SEE the screws.

Oh wait - You're trying to remove switches. You can leave the tape on. Silly Takko.

[sharp magnet]

yeah haha

[steady sail]

[sharp magnet]

hella annoyed with myself, like why tf didn't I double check the module layout before ordering

uuuhmm how do I remove the switches now?

it's disassmbled

[reef patrol]

You're holding just the plate with the switches?

Push them out from behind.

[sharp magnet]

just brute force?

uuhm maybe wrong place to ask but for the return it says DPD but there are no DPD places in Sweden, Should I just turn it in to the Swedish postal service (PostNord)?

[reef patrol]

Yes there are?

https://www.dpdgroup.com/be/mydpd/parcel-shops

[sharp magnet]

tf okey thanks xD, checked with my zip code and nothing came up

[reef patrol]

[sharp magnet]

wait fuck, I will have two cases then since I only need to return the module

[hasty thunder]

[unkempt lake]

but 1080p poopoo ugly

:(

[umbral heron]

1440p

1080p is so 2010s

[gusty kiln]

1920x1200 is fine though

[unkempt lake]

Even with more frames the image is just... meh

[umbral heron]

A balance with everything
You don't want 1080p360 nor 8k30

[unkempt lake]

Ye

[gusty kiln]

that's why I am liking the new trend of dual mode monitors

[unkempt lake]

Super ultrawide best monitors tho

Its reasonable

[umbral heron]

We have changing resolution at home

[unkempt lake]

I swear

[gusty kiln]

resolution and refresh rate

[umbral heron]

70 for single player games, 140 for multi and indies and me happy

[gusty kiln]

I think 4k180/1080p360 would be the sweet spot

[umbral heron]

But I want 1440p at least
I'm not going to stare at pixels

[gusty kiln]

5k120/1440p240

probably soon

[sharp magnet]

I am such a doofus 💀 forgot to add the case in the return request

[astral haven]

I want it but its not happening 🙁

[halcyon moss]

5k becomming cheap would be nice

[gusty kiln]

why?

[astral haven]

Oh wait no 5k240 1440 480 is what I want sorry

120 might happen tho unlikely

[halcyon moss]

i dont care about >120 fps.. so i only care about res :p

[gusty kiln]

lol can dp 2.1 handle that

[astral haven]

Def

[gusty kiln]

qdel 4k180/1080p360 is the dream for me

[dull hollow]

i want 4k144or120/1440p360

[gusty kiln]

you mean 5k

[rough osprey]

just gimme 4k 1000hz oled

[gusty kiln]

1080p 1000hz first

[rough osprey]

isnt that already announced for next year

[gusty kiln]

is it? only need 700s

[rough osprey]

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/gaming-monitors/antgamer-is-releasing-a-1-000-hz-gaming-monitor-next-year-with-a-helping-hand-from-amd-though-the-chances-are-you-really-dont-need-it/

[gusty kiln]

antgamer? wat

[rough osprey]

they also made the 750hz one

AntGamer ANT257PF

supposedly available in china

was at IFA

[wheat plume]

HANDHELD WITH THE NEW AMD APU 😍
https://youtu.be/jKLuxWFUIm4

AMD Ryzen AI MAX+ 395 or Ryzen MAX 385

[ashen spindle]

I love handhelds that need external batterypacks..

[wheat plume]

yeah its an odd choice

the APU is giant, so I guess they had to?

it sounds so cheap and plastic-y anytime he handles it ;-;

[gusty kiln]

My eyes are set on the xbox ally

[umbral heron]

GPD
Aite, we can move on

[ashen spindle]

think its the only stxh handheld we get for a while

[umbral heron]

Gotta love GNOME
Lutris 0.5.18 doesn't use Gnome 45 platform anymore because it's outdated
Aite, time to update
Can't update because Gnome 45 is outdated

[wheat plume]

I have the same issue with Minecraft Bedrock Launcher

It's using an out of date and deprecated version of the KDE platform tools -_-

[ashen spindle]

urgh great this is like the 3rd time in the last weeks firefox didnt remember the tabs I had open last sessions

[astral haven]

I still hold out hope for hmd halo
Not happening but I hope still

[ashen spindle]

guess I do have to try brave after all

[astral haven]

Not even Ctrl shift t?

[astral haven]

Vivaldi?

[ashen spindle]

nope not even manually in the manu does anything

[astral haven]

Rip

[ashen spindle]

eh vivaldi is too small I cba dealing with some sites not working on it

[astral haven]

Brave is much less supported than vivaldi

Vivaldi is more up to date chromium and less hostile to cloudflare

[ashen spindle]

wasnt vivaldi blink?

[astral haven]

Maybe ages ago

[ashen spindle]

huh maybe I try that then

[astral haven]

Looking into blink
Isn't that the codename for chromium's renderer?

[ashen spindle]

seems that way I thought it was coming from its own

[astral haven]

When I originally was shopping for browsers I thought so too.
Mandela effect

[ashen spindle]

https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/tab-session-manager/ am just going to use this I guess

using addons to fix what the browser cant do... but then I dont need to switch again

[unkempt lake]

Fsr 4 on 7900xtx go BRRR

[astral haven]

im starting to believe, but why oh why is the default for speedup chimpunk mode

[unkempt lake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5M6tfLnDvg

nice to see someone benchmarking this

78% battery health vs 100%

[halcyon moss]

Tl;ww?

[fair gull]

so this is about battery health and the disclaimer apple puts there once it drops below a certain point which isnt a marketing thing or push to buy a new phone but just a truthful statement of less battery health = less performance. new battery did increase performance and who guessed it battery life.

[old marlin]

Still haven't seen an addon to save entire tab groups

[reef patrol]

Yeah Apple downclocks the CPU to ensure the phone "stays stable" at lower battery life.

[raw zephyr]

https://blog.cloudflare.com/supporting-the-future-of-the-open-web/

[devout raptor]

why arent the airpods in stock anywhere man

[umbral heron]

Next year open Linux/macOS alpha (hopefully)

[halcyon moss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WindowsMR/comments/1no4lf1/amd_seems_to_be_working_now_hp_reverb_g2/

windows mixed reality devices live on!

[umbral heron]

Umghmghu
Is there a way to do select copy and middle click paste on Windows like on Linux?

[ashen spindle]

bind ctrl c to a mouse side button?

[halcyon moss]

i have never looked into it, but i really doubt it.

[magic minnow]

I’m riding a Waymo

[harsh ether]

way mo' accidents

[raw zephyr]

do you trust it? 😅

[magic minnow]

It feels a bit spooky when it does the turns lol

[harsh ether]

i still remember the vid of the waymo that just started driving in circles

and did it for like hours

[raw zephyr]

i can imagine

safe travels, surely nothing can go wrong, it's a robot!

[harsh ether]

woah woah woah

will smith in irobot said otherwise

[tender lava]

i just switched from iphone 15 to s25

[harsh ether]

woah

im still on iphone 13 lmao

[frozen ingot]

same

[tender lava]

rip to iphone 15 (motherboard got shorted)

[frozen ingot]

not much point in upgrading

[harsh ether]

as long as discord and youtube work

[tender lava]

yes, if it works then it works

[harsh ether]

my phone is fine

oh i remember they would start honking like crazy in the waymo parking lots

[frozen ingot]

no clankers on our roads

[magic minnow]

Damn it just ran a yellow light like a boss

[harsh ether]

woah dont say it hard r thats too far

[harsh ether]

how careful is it?

is it doing a lot of ehhh stuff or.?

[magic minnow]

It was acting up a bit in a section of construction but it did the correct thing. Just turned on the hazard lights and did it slowly

[harsh ether]

ic

[magic minnow]

I arrived safely

[harsh ether]

WOOOOO

[unkempt lake]

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/motherboards/pc-component-maker-maxsun-decides-the-time-is-right-for-a-new-motherboard-format-by-taking-a-hacksaw-to-an-matx-circuit-board/

[sudden imp]

This could be cool for certain case builds

[reef patrol]

The fuck.

[nimble arch]

Do we really need new standards?

[reef patrol]

Shitty ones too. Why would I want an additional two M.2 connectors instead of PCI-E ports?

[crimson wigeon]

Because you only have one big chonker of a PCIE device anyway right right

[ashen spindle]

because what most people in a itx board miss are more storage slots

and I mean yeah ATX standard is some 30 years old, it would be nice if we could just have something more modern, though this clearly isnt aimed at replacing ATX

[reef patrol]

I'd rather have the modularity of a PCI-E port any day over M.2. Cause one can be used for the other, but not in reverse.

And this motherboard form factor just makes so, so many cases completely unsuable.

[nimble arch]

If I really wanted to build in the ITX form factor, I'd be accepting minimal I/O anyway.

[reef patrol]

This isn't ITX though.

[nimble arch]

Close enough

But surely you'd just go mATX at this point anyway?

[reef patrol]

You're going to have to dismiss a -lot- of ITX cases to fit this. So you're likely headed for something very custom - or mATX anyway.

[ashen spindle]

uh no you can

[reef patrol]

In a sensible, logical manner. Have fun trying to use that to connect a card for the back of the case. 😄

[ashen spindle]

I mean in 99% of those cases you just dont start with a ITX board

[reef patrol]

You want more storage, you're grabbing mATX as it is anyhow. This is just a terrible idea.

[ashen spindle]

also the way this board puts the m2 slots, if you had pcie slots there it would impede airflow towards the cpu/sticks too

seems great for a SSD NAS or similar

[plush stirrup]

Which one do you prefer?

[tender lava]

s25, because of the A.I. that's helpful for me

[magic minnow]

No 4xM.2?

[astral haven]

A large fraction of the smallest itx cases use around the back gpus via risers
Liquid cool the GPU = enough space for a second card next to it = m. 2 to pcie cable useful

[unkempt lake]

https://youtu.be/Z1SVnXpQSM4?si=inaAbYsLvRZUgPJi

[nimble arch]

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2025/09/openreach-to-trial-uk-fttp-broadband-speeds-of-8-5gbps-in-q1-2026.html

That’s a whole lot of speed

[gusty kiln]

So many Linux distros/seconds

[plush stirrup]

In BE they already do this everywhere you can get fiber afaik, sadly I'm stuck on coax 😭

[umbral heron]

Why most laptops come with Nvidia GPU

[ashen spindle]

Technically most come with Intel igpu

[steady sail]

why not

bc u need nvidia ai tech

[umbral heron]

I just want a laptop to play gaem at

[nimble arch]

Yeah but DLSS

[gusty kiln]

Any AI 395 Max laptops yet?

Oh asus have one but starts at 2k

[umbral heron]

How does i7-1355U's iGPU compare to Deck?

[old marlin]

not a good CPU for laptops

[umbral heron]

Eh, about the same

[wheat plume]

Isn't it meant to be for laptops?

It's currently in a tablet, handheld, tiny ass laptop and a mini PC xd

[old marlin]

doesn't mean it is good at it

[wheat plume]

Fair

[old marlin]

strix halo is powerful but not super efficient

[wheat plume]

I thought it was?

[old marlin]

strix point is much better afaik

[wheat plume]

Everyone saying at least the framework Desktop is efficient ?

[old marlin]

for efficiency

[wheat plume]

Ah

[old marlin]

for a laptop or a desktop

[wheat plume]

Desktop xd ok yeh got you

[old marlin]

cause only one of the two runs on a battery (typically)

[wheat plume]

Ye xd

[umbral heron]

HP OmniBook with AI 9 HX 375 sounds interesting... but HP

[gusty kiln]

Framework have a ai 9 370 model

[ashen spindle]

Yeah but that is worse quality and higher cost

[umbral heron]

Framework is not purchasable in electronics stores around here, so I can't use my discount

[unkempt lake]

The framework desktop is just dumb

[nimble arch]

Skill issue

[unkempt lake]

Use code MOUMOU

[umbral heron]

[umbral heron]

I'm not gonna scoff on 1/3 of laptop off

[gusty kiln]

Jeez how much is that on usd?

[umbral heron]

~$2900

[ashen spindle]

Oh god that’s expensive

Good to reconfirm FW is just a bad purchasing decision lol

[steady sail]

the same laptop config would cost me 3000$

[umbral heron]

I just wan a ptop for up to ~1500€, because I have voucher for ~500€ to play gw2 and terraria on

[ashen spindle]

Asus 16inch zenbook with same specs is like 1600€

[gusty kiln]

Cheapest ai 370 laptop i see are around 1200+

[astral haven]

Is that poland tho?

[halcyon moss]

You don't need the display port one, passive uscb to displayport cables. Exist

[ashen spindle]

No but it’s easy enough to order to Poland from Germany if they won’t have that model

It’s also the second result for hx 370 so im sure there are other options lol

[umbral heron]

Yup, there it is too
Although HP seems nice too, because 14"

[astral haven]

It looks like a pretty standard price for that sort of adapter tho the cable is def more convenient and will serve long into the future

[ashen spindle]

Also the 365 is the next step down and much cheaper to get

Or just get lunar lake 258v should be down in price these days

[umbral heron]

[ashen spindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I mean technically every LNL sku sold lowers their margin so it’s bad for intel’s margin

[umbral heron]

I wan intel to be good again
We need competition in CPU space

[ashen spindle]

they are still the best option in laptops for almost every area

[astral haven]

Except for GPU which is still nvidia ofc

[ashen spindle]

Well yeah Intel and AMD don’t do laptop gpus basically

[umbral heron]

I just want a ptop which won't die when I launch gw2

[astral haven]

It has been 2 decades since the last time Intel was in dire straits
Performance tradeoffs depending in workload is actually competiton like it or not

[fickle ore]

Soon intel with nvidia integrated

[unkempt lake]

Indeed

[astral haven]

I'm actually not sure I believe that
I'm gonna bet on stapled together dgpu

[unkempt lake]

Amd's 9800x3d prices make me cringe @umbral heron

[ashen spindle]

Lunar lake

[unkempt lake]

Also the fact that they sell the 7800x3d for more than it was like... a year and a half ago

They just have no competition

[ashen spindle]

That’s not on AMD thats on retailers

They sell it for basically the same price

[ashen spindle]

Seriously though lunar lake has great idle, is cheap enough these days and decent igpu, quicksync and all

[astral haven]

Fun fact inflation means things get more expensive over time
Same price number = less expensive if there's inflation

[unkempt lake]

A whopping 9$ worth of inflation

woohoo

[ashen spindle]

its also not even more expensive than it was a year ago?

[unkempt lake]

Idk about the european market but i got mine brand new a year and a half ago for 425

Now they're 499

[astral haven]

$30 not including tariffs

[unkempt lake]

Doesn't apply to canada

[astral haven]

In the us that is
Everyone else in the world had higher inflation

[astral haven]

Yes canada is worse

[unkempt lake]

the magical inflation between 2024 and 2025

[astral haven]

Yea that's wrong

[fickle ore]

Just buy lolol canada pesos are worth less and less each year

[unkempt lake]

Say that to the bank of canada

https://www.bankofcanada.ca/rates/related/inflation-calculator/

[mental helm]

https://tenor.com/view/muhehe-cat-muhehe-muhehehe-cat-muhehehe-smirk-cat-muhehe-gif-17142133339517585968

[umbral heron]

No you don't

[astral haven]

Hi bank of canada, your numbers for inflation are flawed

[fickle ore]

yeah well then they dont need to raise wages by that much. Better to keep official inflation down

[unkempt lake]

I think you're the one that's wrong

[ashen spindle]

This calculator uses monthly consumer price index (CPI) data from 1914 to the present to show changes in the cost of a fixed "basket" of consumer purchases. These include:

food
shelter
furniture
clothing
transportation
recreation

feel like that might not be the most applicable list for semiconductor prices

[astral haven]

Also this is cad denominated

The cad has lost value itself

Google gives it a 4% loss
Which would be about $20
So 30 cad lost total
A bit less than I'd expect but perhaps canada had worse inflation previously and leveled out just this year

So yea the canadian bank is lying about inflation numbers but its legal for them since they are denominated in cad

[ashen spindle]

wouldnt say its lying just the numbers arent applicable for non canadian goods on its own

also if they dont directly ship to canada but through US tarrifs might still apply

[astral haven]

True it is accurate for Canadian produced goods

[unkempt lake]

not the way tarrifs work

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GwIpSC2u-oE

Now I like a good build as much as the next person. But brown watercooling is just... no.

I'm out, bro

[unkempt lake]

You don't get tarrifed for transiting through a country

[astral haven]

You are confusing tariffs with vat

Tariffs are much much worse

[ashen spindle]

tarrifs can apply even if its passing through, I dont know about the current ones because hell nobody knows details about them before trump changes them again

[reef patrol]

You don't get charged either, if the product is transiting through a country. It's when it's delivered there and used.

[ashen spindle]

also I said might because it could be the bulk goes into the US and then just a portion gets sold to canada and not being listed as a transit package from the start

[astral haven]

Again thinking more reasonable schemes
Us tariffs are hostage prices by the post office to release your package

[reef patrol]

Sure - If you live in the US and have something imported.

[astral haven]

Now you might not actually enter the us like by staying in an airport

[reef patrol]

But if you live in Canada and something you order passes through the US on its way to you, tariffs aren't suddenly applied.

[astral haven]

But if you unload it at long beach and stuff it on a truck to canada, the tariff applies

[reef patrol]

Mnope. Not unless a new customer is somehow involved.

[astral haven]

You got a source on this? Heard plenty of horror stories

[reef patrol]

The law. As written.

[ashen spindle]

well we're not talking about a single customer, we dont know if the stock canadian retailers get comes from amd directly or via warehouses in the US

[reef patrol]

Right - But I already touched on that. If products are purchased from the US (which were imported to there), and then resold in Canada, tariffs are obviously a thing.

[astral haven]

The law as written doesn't allow the president to impose tariffs

[reef patrol]

And at that point you just gotta confront the seller about their prices.

[reef patrol]

That remains to be seen - By the almighty Trump court.

Aka. Supreme Court

[ashen spindle]

well yeah thats the point, the same law that doesnt let him impose tarrifs at will prevents them from charging them however they like

[reef patrol]

He's not the one enforcing them on a day to day basis.

[unkempt lake]

literally canadian retailers have their their own warehouses

[ashen spindle]

well duh obviously, the point is where do they get their stock from

[unkempt lake]

They don't have to get their shit unloaded in the us

[reef patrol]

There's literally no reason for Canadian sellers to buy something from the US, that's made in China. They can buy ... from China.

[unkempt lake]

Port of vancouver

[astral haven]

It is the responsibility of his job to
Officially he is only delegating responsibility to the rest of the executive

[ashen spindle]

possible, doesnt mean its how its done

could just be up till tarrifs it was cheaper to have everything go to the US and distribute from there

[fickle ore]

https://blog.samaltman.com/abundant-intelligence
More Intel $$ in next 1-2 months?

[ashen spindle]

no openAI want good hardware

[fickle ore]

"Over the next couple of months, we’ll be talking about some of our plans and the partners we are working with to make this a reality. Later this year, we’ll talk about how we are financing it; given how increasing compute is the literal key to increasing revenue, we have some interesting new ideas."

Our vision is simple: we want to create a factory that can produce a gigawatt of new AI infrastructure every week. The execution of this will be extremely difficult; it will take us years to get to this milestone and it will require innovation at every level of the stack, from chips to power to building to robotics. But we have been hard at work on this and believe it is possible. In our opinion, it will be the coolest and most important infrastructure project ever. We are particularly excited to build a lot of this in the US; right now, other countries are building things like chips fabs and new energy production much faster than we are, and we want to help turn that tide.

Lets see

[ashen spindle]

funny haha at intels cost aside, there is actuall no product on intels roadmap that would make sense here, they dont have something that would have make sense there over nvidia/AMD/custom

[astral haven]

Not even the lab ai stuff?

[ashen spindle]

wym lab AI stuff, gaudi? gaudi is dead

the last big cluster from intel is Aurora which has like 50% of the efficency of AMDs Mi300

[fickle ore]

Well u need some xeons to run that those nvidia chips + reserve fab space for 14A 18A

[astral haven]

Really? Why can't they do a gaudi3?

I mean 4

[ashen spindle]

they killed off gaudi, the team was merged into the gpu team to make falcon shores and falcon shores got axed because it was too far behin to be viable if it had released this year

[fickle ore]

https://www.twz.com/air/first-f-47-6th-generation-fighter-now-being-built
Intel Inside

yay like 100 chips total

[ashen spindle]

more likel xilinx because FPGAs is whats used in the market since altera got spun out again

that was the roadmap from 2023

falcon got axed in januar this year

plus there is like 0 software overlap with other intel products so they would have to restart that entire thing to support the ecosystem

[astral haven]

Yea but what about jaguar

[ashen spindle]

yeah thats still alive for now, maybe

[fickle ore]

They are doing some new ai chips but theres not much info about them

early

[astral haven]

Its named jaguar and uses hbm
That's it lel

[ashen spindle]

but you'd be betting on someone with a really bad track record on massive scale when energy usage is like the bigges issue for massive data centers and thats been their biggest issue for cpu and gpu for a long time

when we see the first 18A PTL/NVL chips maybe we can deduce how well that could work as a node for it

so far we just know it was planned before FCS was canned, then got redefined and uses HBM4

[fickle ore]

Huh the one LBT announced couple weeks back?

[ashen spindle]

which... isnt a lot of info

don think lbt said anything about it?

iirc MJ was the last to talk about it

[fickle ore]

Instead of trying to challenge Nvidia head-on in training large AI models, the computationally intense work at the heart of the current boom, Tan wants Intel to stake out new ground in so-called “edge” AI. These are applications that push AI capabilities closer to the user, in personal computers and connected devices, rather than in massive centralized data centers.
He also pointed to agentic AI, an emerging field where autonomous systems act independently with minimal human intervention. “That’s an area that I think is emerging, coming up very big and we want to make sure that we capture,” Tan said.

[ashen spindle]

but look at the top3 systems on top500 atm, compare powerdraw and performance between them, thats not what you want to see as track record when you go for a gigawatt

[fickle ore]

I cant find more so maybe that was it

[ashen spindle]

Instead of trying to challenge Nvidia head-on in training large AI models
so basically hes not trying to make something that would fit altmans description

[fickle ore]

Yeah no, but the bet is on the fab side, always was.

Their products can go either way

[astral haven]

In the a16z dylan podcast they talked about 2 sections of inference and how certain chips were good for certain parts, and how you can pair specialized fast chips with more expensive general chips for better performance and efficiency

[fickle ore]

Literally this

[ashen spindle]

yeah im sure intel is happy about 2x the stock when amd and nvidia will be at 5x or whatever silly number

[ashen spindle]

is that related to the rubin CPX announcement from nvidia?

[astral haven]

Yep

[fickle ore]

!remindmein1year damn discord

[ashen spindle]

yeah well cpx is just the 6090 it seems with more ram, intel aint competing there either

[fickle ore]

You can't 5x 5T

Nor can you 5x AMD because they were guiding for 70B 2025 revenue and now had to lower guidance to 50B

[ashen spindle]

yeah but neither company is at danger of needing to break up their business or face US takeover because they cant finance fabs lol

[astral haven]

Not directly but an actually more specialized chip using the neuromorphic bs? Idk

[ashen spindle]

I mean from the images they have shown in the slides it appears to litearlly just be the GR202 chip or whatever they call the 6090 die

[astral haven]

Yea my point is that's got a bunch of random other bs on die
Intel can probably match perf if not beat it by throwing away raster and rt for example

[ashen spindle]

idk if it has more bs on it we dont know that either

intel also has a worse software stack than rocm for that still

like it's not impossible, I just dont really see a good reason to bet on intel over amd or nvidia for a large scale massive project

[astral haven]

Just a billion or 2 to get in the good graces of the president? Ez

[ashen spindle]

I mean you can do that by just saying you place orders on the US fabs of TSMC

[astral haven]

Not the same

[fickle ore]

Nvidia or AMD cant fab, so its Intel or legacy TSM or Texas intruments..

[astral haven]

The heck has ti been doing

[fickle ore]

Probably DUV'ing chips

idk 😄

[ashen spindle]

the arizona fab is building out 2nm and 16A, thats not really legacy because gpus rarely use the latest node anyway

[fickle ore]

Its on 4nm rn and maybe 2nm by 2030

[ashen spindle]

2028 for 2nm

which is fine, we get rubin on n3p next year and then its another 2 years before the next jump

[ashen spindle]

also its been like 4 years since they were close to reaching 60 lmao

funniest shit woudl still be if rapidus out of nowhere comes and beats intel fab

[astral haven]

What about Keller
What has he been cooking?

Lots of hiring at least

[ashen spindle]

tenstorrent has been sending out hardware and people are using the SDK, hard to say if thats anything that could really scale up that high

[astral haven]

Yea not tenstorrent

Atomic semi is much more interesting imo

[ashen spindle]

idk feel like thats only partially able to help at bleeding edge and would gradually be something tsmc and co do as well

[astral haven]

Maybe but its an entirely different skillset

And it can actually push the bleeding edge

[ashen spindle]

yeah its cool and could do great things for companies but I dont think it would change anything for like intel/amd/nvidia besides speeding up validation steps and such maybe

you still need to test it on the actual node, maybe if you get smaller EUV machines for lower volume that dont cost billions

[astral haven]

E beam isn't euv
Bleeding edge of e-beam is a couple decades ahead of photolitho

The problem is speed
But if they can make cheap slow machines, that will make up for the speed

Twinscan more like million beam or something

[pastel galleon]

what are the latest ones usually saved for

[ashen spindle]

they arent saved for anything its just not making sense timeline wise usually

[pastel galleon]

oh

[ashen spindle]

phones, cpus and specific hardware are usually the ones on the newest nodes

apples has been the first customer for years for the latest nodes

[pastel galleon]

yeah I mean this time they took up TSMC 2nm

[ashen spindle]

who is they

apple isnt the first 2nm customer

[pastel galleon]

they aren't first, but I believe they are the largest consumer for TSMC's 2nm, if not second

[ashen spindle]

they cant be big customer if they dont make anything on it till like end of next year lol

[rough osprey]

m5

[ashen spindle]

thats likely the first yeah

for apple that is, first n2 in general is probably AMDs zen6 or mi400

[rough osprey]

pls hurry with 11800x3d

i need it

[verbal marsh]

Guys I need some help, why does my monitor just black screen whenever I play a game that’s not valorant and I need to restart my pc

[rough osprey]

its telling you to not play other games

[verbal marsh]

Yeah but I lowkey need a fix I legit can’t play any other game

[ashen spindle]

try uninstalling valorant and see if that still happens

[verbal marsh]

I unironically have

I’ve not ever had this problem until 2 months ago

And I’ve had this pc for nearly 3 years

[ashen spindle]

so you uninstalled valorant and restarted, does it still happen now?

[verbal marsh]

The gpu is a 3080

[verbal marsh]

Yes

I’ve tried everything including trying secure boot

[ashen spindle]

reinstall gpu drivers

[verbal marsh]

And everytime I play a gpu based game it just crashes

[ashen spindle]

reinstall windows