🔌│tech

[digital cliff]

okay but you could have it get updates for 3 more years if it wasn't super old already when you bought it

[marsh glade]

But I get a new phone every 3 or 4 years, what do I care if it would still get updates for 3 years after that or not?

[umbral heron]

I paid 200€ for my Samsung 2 years ago
Last Samsung I had for 3.5 years, also for ~200€

[digital cliff]

maybe you don't but I rather would get a phone for 5+ years

[steady sail]

I mean i just wanna get a flagship phone for once

[lyric hatch]

flagship is nice I have about a 4 year turnaround with mine

[magic minnow]

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/25/google-youtube-tv-to-lose-fox-channels-if-new-deal-isnt-reached.html

[umbral heron]

And nothing of value has been lost?

Less Fox = less propaganda
win win

[marsh glade]

There's always a bigger fish...

Less Fox could well mean more whacko podcasts a-la Tate

[magic minnow]

The news anchor at my job showed up talking about it to me

I'm like "No bro I didn't hear"

[umbral heron]

@lyric hatch Whatcha think of getting Tamron 17-70 instead of Sigma 18-50?
I ordered Sigma used from a French dude few weeks ago, but it ended up with returning to sender and money return (thanks DPD )

[lyric hatch]

both great lenses, 17-70mm is a decent amount larger but it does give you a decent amount of reach and I've heard it's better at macro

but yeah bit of a chonker in comparison

[umbral heron]

I don't really care about size that much, I have a very nice and spacious bag for stuffs, so it'll be fine, as long I don't stuff some 200~600 in it

chomk

[lyric hatch]

pretty versatile setup

[umbral heron]

It looks so funny too, lens as big as body
Okay, am getting Tamron then

[lyric hatch]

also tamron has built in stabilization

[devout raptor]

should I buy apple pro stand?

[halcyon moss]

A what?

Apple has so many pro stuff

[umbral heron]

A $999 monitor stand

[pale sigil]

3y warranty

[umbral heron]

I dunno why, but that "Galaxy Z Fold5" in the corner looks so funny on this photo

[leaden kiln]

only turned on the watermark for this photo 🚬

[leaden kiln]

@nimble arch I found the stuff I wanted 👴

[nimble arch]

[leaden kiln]

Bought my first artisan too

[exotic plinth]

Are you sure with mid?

[leaden kiln]

It’s the key83 so I think it should be good

[misty matrix]

mid is the way

[leaden kiln]

There wasn’t a lot of stock
Would’ve gotten a soft or xsoft zero if they had any

[exotic plinth]

Were you bought it?

[leaden kiln]

I also only have dots right now so xsoft would probably be also

[leaden kiln]

Pc ark in akihabara

[exotic plinth]

Propably explains

[rough osprey]

mid best

[misty matrix]

esp with dots

[rough osprey]

oh im on full skates oops

[leaden kiln]

There was a lot of stuff there

[misty matrix]

I mean, imo, mid always best

[rough osprey]

damn

[exotic plinth]

@leaden kiln well there is soft on artisan website

[misty matrix]

but if you are doing dots, 100% recommend mid

[exotic plinth]

I heard soft is always the way

[rough osprey]

soft unusable

[leaden kiln]

Yeah maybe I can find it at another store later
I don’t need another one but if I see a soft I could just get some other skates for my mouse

[exotic plinth]

From official online website of artisan

[misty matrix]

defo not always, its okay with full skates, maybe with dots

basically, the smaller the surface area on your skates

the better it is to have a firm pad

[leaden kiln]

Yeah I don’t live in Japan so I don’t wanna order online, only here for 2w so don’t have a permanent address

Maybe after I get home then

I’m fine with just the one though

[exotic plinth]

Artisan ships world wide

Soo

[leaden kiln]

Sure but then I could just buy it on maxgaming and get it quicker, I’d have to pay import anyway

[exotic plinth]

@misty matrix still thinking what would be best artisan for my g502 with stock skates

[misty matrix]

hayate otsu v2 xsoft

🙂

[exotic plinth]

Why otsu

[misty matrix]

for strong arms

[devout raptor]

soft artisans so mid

[exotic plinth]

Zero should be perfect for my needs tho

[devout raptor]

never should have listened to what a majority of people say since they are just parroting whatever the next person says. Mid better if you press on your mouse at all

[misty matrix]

why

tbh, I would even go with t99

[exotic plinth]

I'am not going to spend 500€ buying diffrent artisan mousepads to get right one

Ngl artisan should make mousepad tester

So you can pick right one

[misty matrix]

I mean you could get a zero xsoft

that would go kinda hard with a g502

yeah do that

[exotic plinth]

It would feel weird because it could bend with my g502 already propably

@misty matrix isint like xsoft really bendy

[misty matrix]

but thats good

for you (if I remember correctly)

[exotic plinth]

Whh tho

[misty matrix]

mouse harder to move

[exotic plinth]

Though i'am not pushing my mouse down

@misty matrix so yeah. Those japannese should make mousepad tester kits

So everyone could choose what type and what hardness without buying multiple mousepads

[gusty kiln]

@ashen spindle https://newsroom.ibm.com/2025-08-26-ibm-and-amd-join-forces-to-build-the-future-of-computing

Interesting

[ashen spindle]

oh you got me excited for a second

but im not a big believer of quantum yet xD

[umbral heron]

RIP AMD
Another company IBM will kill

[ashen spindle]

jokes on you plenty of ex IBM hardware people work at AMD

[umbral heron]

AMD will kill IBM

I'm still salty about Red Hat acquisition

[magic minnow]

I concede to the Dishwasher

[plush stirrup]

That old? I remember samsung flagships dropping to 350 after 1 or 2 years, but with the longer updates now, maybe not.

[vagrant pagoda]

amd is just scooting along until apple finds a way to aquire tsmc

[ashen spindle]

apple isnt suicidal lol

[vagrant pagoda]

how is that suicidal

they would 100% own it if it wasnt basicly a taiwan state company

[ashen spindle]

I dont think they would want to partner with all these other companies to make chips for them

[vagrant pagoda]

they wouldnt

tsmc could easily survive only making apple chips

[ashen spindle]

if they would turn it into an apple only foundry it would explode the costs

[vagrant pagoda]

do you no relise the % of tsmc income that is just apple?

[ashen spindle]

yeah 25%

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah and the next largest is nvidia at 10%

[ashen spindle]

which is massive but not enough to just keep it running alone

[umbral heron]

Let's cut our revenue to 1/4 yay

[ashen spindle]

suddenly apple would have to pay the entire cost for each new node instead of that being shared

[umbral heron]

How is it going I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years TMSC will buy Apple

[ashen spindle]

also not even close to realistic

[vagrant pagoda]

you know apple makes 10 profit compared to tsmc total revenue

[ashen spindle]

so why would they want to make massively less profit just to own tsmc, to have lower margins and lose out on tech info that tsmcs gets from working with other companies?

[vagrant pagoda]

to kill off competeition

you dont think apple would blow billions just to kill of competition

[umbral heron]

Anti-trust

[ashen spindle]

lower margins massively to kill competition that will just set them back because half your work force will quit because theres no work for them or nothing they want to do?

thats a single point apple would want to love that just doesnt fit remotely into the rest of the picture

[vagrant pagoda]

apple spent 100 of billions to cut out arm and intel

[ashen spindle]

because intel massively underperformed not because they want to kill intel

[vagrant pagoda]

you dont think they would do the same to cut out the fab

[ashen spindle]

having the fabs would be massively more expensive and higher risk than cutting out intel

[vagrant pagoda]

intel modems is what killed the deal not cpus

apple wanted to cut out qualcom for phones, and intels modem was going to be the ticket

but it failed

so apple cut out intel completely

moved cpus and modems in house

[ashen spindle]

yeah they spent a billion for the modem division and only now do they maybe start having something

[magic minnow]

I would intervene

[vagrant pagoda]

only now? they have been beating qualcom for years

the issue has been aprovale

[ashen spindle]

they've been working for 7 years on a working 5g chip and the first apples own 5g modem was in the 16e

also that a billion for that divisions, a single modern fab is like 30x that in comparison

[vagrant pagoda]

the issue with modem hasnt been designing it, it is getting reg aproval and bypassing patents from qualcom

3gpp is super protective of thier monoploy

[ashen spindle]

https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/21/apple-modem-chip-project-failed/ ?

great no embed thanks discord

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean that isnt correct as its in the 16e and dosent take up half the phone

[ashen spindle]

yeah its also from two years ago so stuff changed since then

[vagrant pagoda]

but apple has blank checked the modem division for years

for cost and security reasons

[tribal dirge]

And Apple went back onto Qualcomm modems until they now have their own.

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah and they have spent billions on top of what intel already put into the program

[ashen spindle]

which would still be a fraction of cost of owning tsmc lol

[tribal dirge]

Yeah, the new modem does seem to be performing well though, connectivity and battery life on 16e is praised quite well!

[ashen spindle]

not to mention apple loves to play the supply chain and move to whatever gets them more, if they own tsmc they wouldnt be able to switch to samsung or intel if needed in the future

[tribal dirge]

I wonder if it's a matter of time until the modem is integrated with the SoC on the A series chips

Kinda like with the snapdragon 8 elite

[vagrant pagoda]

a7 was the last non tsmc apple chip

[tribal dirge]

With its build in X80 5G modem

[vagrant pagoda]

that was 2013

[ashen spindle]

yeah because currently it doesnt make sense for them to swap but why remove all future options by buying a foundry

[vagrant pagoda]

you think apple will ever use a different soc manufacture?

[tribal dirge]

Apple used to diffuse their silicon at Samsung iirc

[ashen spindle]

you think if idk, rapidus or intel have a better node they would just let google have a better phone soc?

[vagrant pagoda]

you think if intel, amd or nvidia makes a better soc they will jump ship off apple socs?

[ashen spindle]

possible yes

but imagine if tsmc and samsung switch roles, you think they would just be okay with that and use much worse nodes with worse yields?

not after one bad node but what if its 5 years of lagging behind

[vagrant pagoda]

or you know they would just spend the money and pouch the engineers

like what they did with socs

and modems

[ashen spindle]

but why do all that when you can just switch foundry for a fraction of the cost

[analog sinew]

storytime, i found an iphone, did some digging trying to find the owner, sent a mail, went to bed

next day as i wake up the iphone rings, i answer and on the other end is some confused police chief
apparently the guy who lost his phone was pretty important lol
they sent over a cop car to pick it up immediately

Gave me a good scare in the morning

[vagrant pagoda]

why make youre own soc when swtiching is cheaper, why make your own modem when swtich is cheaper

[analog sinew]

just hook the fiber optics directly to my eyeball and interpret the funny flashes

[vagrant pagoda]

find an aurgument that dosent go aginst what apple is already doing with their silicon program

[ashen spindle]

because there you can have a gain that outweighs of having others make it, or you can save on cost in the long term

owning foundry doesnt guarantee you either of those

[vagrant pagoda]

niether dose making youre own chip

tensor isnt better than snapdragon or exynos

[tribal dirge]

It only gets like half the performance to that of the 8 elite and the A18 pro

Although the AI performance is competent to them

[vagrant pagoda]

apple a serise is good because of the vertical integration

adding the fab will only make that even tighter

[ashen spindle]

at massively higher cost so margins will tank hard which is like the most important thing for public companies

and its not even guaranteed to give you an advantage

[vagrant pagoda]

if margins were everything apple would cut down on the quailty

[ashen spindle]

you lose out on all the tech tsmc does from working with other companies and being able to refine the next node with more knowledge

[vagrant pagoda]

but they dont

[tribal dirge]

Apple could technically afford to build a fab, their valuation is way higher than that of Intel, but is it worth building a fab is the question.

[vagrant pagoda]

my guy who do you thing tmsc works on with there bleeding edge fabs? i wonder if its that phone manufacture that has the next 5+ bleeding edge nodes booked out

[ashen spindle]

apple isnt leading customer for N2 they didnt even get the first tapeout..

and even if we assuem everyone but apple would be at N-1 for anything, that would still give them more insight into how to improve things for N+1

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/106022/tsmcs-major-customers-to-use-2nm-process-in-2026-apple-and-bitmain-primary-sources-of-demand/index.html

[ashen spindle]

yeah for apples phones Q3/4 of 26, N2 has taped out with AMD as the first chip and Zen6 is launching first half of 26

I'm not saying they dont use N2 or dont have volume

but they absolutely dont have it booked out, not even remotely

[vagrant pagoda]

zen6 is slated for late 26

[ashen spindle]

nop we have comments that the mi400 rack is coming Q2 and that uses zen6

anush and lisa have talked in june/july about how that is less than 12 months away from launch

[vagrant pagoda]

where is the srsouce on that? it was like 2 weeks ago su was only saying next year

all the helios stuff has been next year or late next year

i havent seen anything about q2/q3

[ashen spindle]

well they didnt say Q2 they said less than 12 months I can find that in a moment

[vagrant pagoda]

i see a video of anush saying less than 12 months one time in a live invertview

idk if id take that in stone

but it would be neat

i home mi400 pushes back hard on nvidia

and that the ai bubble hasnt popped

[ashen spindle]

yes it was an interview where he sat down and that was a short bit after lisa said the same words somewhere

because if you look at the rough timeline we know from intel talking about it once that is very much lining up with at least some skus of zen6 being ready early in 26

[lunar elm]

Im interested in the airpods pro 3 but not the iphone 17 lmfao

14 pro will keep me going

[nimble arch]

Are we even getting AirPods Pro 3 this year?

[lunar elm]

https://tenor.com/view/engine-rotative-mazda-rotative-initial-d-gif-26494409

[lunar elm]

Its speculated to come out with the 17 lineup

[rough osprey]

need the heart rate monitoring

(no idea for what tho)

[lunar elm]

My airpods pro 2 is falling apart

[rough osprey]

they do be kinda old

but best shape

[nimble arch]

I'm on the original AirPods Pro and I'm waiting the rumoured Pro 3 before upgrading.

[silver egret]

anyone got any tips on how to improve bufferbloat?

[atomic dragon]

The wife shall not find out 💀

[lunar elm]

Welcome to Space Heater in the room

[atomic dragon]

Winters right around the corner so

😂

[lunar elm]

I have 2 sides

[atomic dragon]

This is where it's gonna go

:v cable management is ass rn

[gusty kiln]

Is that the one with the perfume stick?

[lunar elm]

the modules? yes

[atomic dragon]

But I'll fix it once the 5090 comes in tomorrow

[gusty kiln]

Kek nice

[lunar elm]

Ive never seen anyone not use reverse blades for unifans

[atomic dragon]

Nah I'm using them just

I kinda messed up the 140mm fans

Lol and now the sl V2's are discontinued so here we are

[gusty kiln]

Which gpu are you upgrading from?

[atomic dragon]

5070ti

Butttt

[lunar elm]

Same as some guy I know then

[atomic dragon]

I'm putting it into a system and selling it so

[lunar elm]

He went from XTX to 5070Ti to 5090 to 5090

[gusty kiln]

Like an fe 5090 to an aib?

[lunar elm]

he returned his windforce 5090, got 450 back with BL4 and to an asus tuf

[atomic dragon]

Selling this bad boy on Facebook for 1400 but people don't know value when they see it 💀

[gusty kiln]

Ah

[atomic dragon]

I think I had someone offer me 1k for that system above

The urge not to choke someone smh

[lunar elm]

drop specs

Ill decide if thats T or F

[atomic dragon]

*Windows 11 home installed and activated and all PC drivers are installed including GPU, CPU, Bluetooth and WiFi drivers.

Specs:

📦 Case: ASUS Prime AP201 MicroATX

🧠 CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X – 16 cores / 32 threads

🎮 GPU: MSI RTX 5070 Ti Gaming Trio OC (16 GB Vram)

❄️ Cooling: Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360mm AIO w/ Arctic fans

⚡ RAM: Kingston Fury DDR5 64GB (Extra 64GB available for $100 more)

💾 Storage: Inland QN450 2TB NVMe M.2

💻 Motherboard: Gigabyte B650M AORUS Elite AX

🔌 PSU: MSI MPG A850G – 850W Fully Modular, PCIe 5.0 ready (includes all original modular cables)

[gusty kiln]

That's whatcha gotta deal with marketplace

[atomic dragon]

Like come on this is so worth 1400

[gusty kiln]

Jawa would be less annoying but they take a cut

[atomic dragon]

Yeah and the whole shipping a whole ass PC thing

Kinda meh

[lunar elm]

if you built it brand new ish sure

[atomic dragon]

Ye it's newish

A few months old just in a corner but meh

Comparative for the same price I've seen folks selling 5070's paired with like am4 CPUs so

[gusty kiln]

7950x and a 5070ti is already like 1200 on their own

[atomic dragon]

Exactly

And at first I was selling it with 128gb of ram 💀

But decided meh

Plus the memory controller would kill itself

Maybe next gen CPUs can handle it

[ashen spindle]

they can you just probably ran it out of spec since supported speeds for 4 sticks is quite low

[atomic dragon]

Yeah it runs

Just at 3200mhz

Idk one day it was running at like 4800 fine then idk

It just stopped working

Until I dropped it to 3200

So I just took them out and have the 64gb in there running at 5600

Anyways this will be sold hopefully by next week

Helps cover the cost of the space heater I just bought

Cause I went through a 4090 sold it and got a pair of Hifiman he1000v2's and a Amp and a few parts for the PC above

Then bought a 5070ti

[vagrant pagoda]

64gb at 3200 is ddr4 speeds XD

[atomic dragon]

And now a 5090

[atomic dragon]

Yurp

[vagrant pagoda]

i have 32x2 at 3800 cl16 ddr4 XD

[atomic dragon]

DDR5 at its finest

But aye we have 64gb DDR5 modules now

Although the timings on them is horrendous

But for the server tasks I was using it for the slower speeds were fine

[empty wren]

https://search.app/8RD2x

[vagrant pagoda]

?

[empty wren]

Upgradable laptop gpu

[vagrant pagoda]

oh they put an update out neet

i preordered one a year+ ago XD

[ashen spindle]

now we just need to wait for them to make a good product

[vagrant pagoda]

should just link the offical video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RzUBqtgODM

[vagrant pagoda]

? framework delivers what they promise

[empty wren]

Thinkpad keyboard mod would be nice

[ashen spindle]

didnt say they are lying I think they are overpriced and bad quality lol

the idea is neat, the execution not so much

[empty wren]

https://hackaday.io/project/191579-workbook-framework-13-classic-kb-trackpoint

[vagrant pagoda]

i woudlnt say its bad

its no worse than bigbox store laptops

price is high

[ashen spindle]

build quality on the laptops seems quite bad, theres not heat sensors on the 14? or whatever the new model is and the bottom gets toasty, its super overpriced

[vagrant pagoda]

heat sensor? you mean temp sensors, there are temp sensors

[ashen spindle]

skin temp sensor

[vagrant pagoda]

wtf do you want that for?

and what laptop even has that?

[ashen spindle]

so you dont have 60C laptop surfaces if you dont have a good chassis..

think one model had liquid metal pump out as well so the chip either died or just thermal throttled to hell

[vagrant pagoda]

they replaced all the lm and it was a supplier issue

[ashen spindle]

like the FW12 has a plastic chassis and that somehow managed to heat up to 60C top and bottom

QA just seems quite lackluster, if I pay a decent bit more I just would expect at least the same quality as other laptops not worse on average

[wheat plume]

Thank fuck Framework lets you choose to have the Copilot key or not... xd

[ashen spindle]

like unless something changed in the last month they still have firmware issues with battery flipping between charging and discharging

[wheat plume]

wut??

[vagrant pagoda]

they only charge like 50 bucks for preassembled so what do you expect

[ashen spindle]

https://community.frame.work/t/tracking-battery-flipping-between-charging-and-discharging-draws-from-battery-even-on-ac/22484/445

[wheat plume]

Fun Fact: They have to assemble the DIY models before shipping to test them
Then dissasemble them before sending them to you

[vagrant pagoda]

my dell dose the same bs with usbc

[vagrant pagoda]

they ahvent dont that in a while. they have bench tests for the parts

[cosmic thunder]

why does the copilot key even exist when i can't use it in my linux desktop

[ashen spindle]

yeah and your dell with same specs was probably a good bit cheaper lol

[vagrant pagoda]

nope like 2x

[wheat plume]

Cause Microsoft

[wheat plume]

Dell is not cheap....

[cosmic thunder]

M$

[wheat plume]

The ones we get at work are hella pricey for plastic chassis and shit specs

its like 800 euro for 8gb and 256GB, with 1080p display and 12th gen Intel

and there is a lot of keyboard flex :/ luckily not too noticable when typing

[rough osprey]

fiio k11 peak

bye bye k7

[wheat plume]

this is why I like Framework :D they have their logo instead of the Windows logo :D and optional no Copilot logo too

and their UEFI has the ability to make Copilot key act as right ctrl

[ashen spindle]

I mean that sounds like a your company issue not a dell issue when you can get current gen hardware for the same price

[balmy silo]

I started the Firmware Update After There is no Connection to wootiliy

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258

[cosmic thunder]

sadly it doesn't ship in my region

[vagrant pagoda]

my i7 dell was 4k

[wheat plume]

the laptops without our business agreement are like 1000

[balmy silo]

How can i use it?
I search my Problem and clean Registry

Bit Not work

[vagrant pagoda]

no dgpu even

[balmy silo]

Is There a Chat C

[ashen spindle]

make a post in #1019755933959733258

[wheat plume]

is it metal chassis or still plastic?

[vagrant pagoda]

all plastic

[wheat plume]

🤢

[ashen spindle]

again, sounds like a your company issue if the literal first dell result I find is 890€ for 16gb ram 512gb ssd and up to date cpu

[wheat plume]

We have to call Dell support to send out a repair person multiple times a year cause one of the models we use always gets the hinges broken after like a year

[wheat plume]

what model?

[ashen spindle]

https://geizhals.de/dell-pro-14-plus-pb14255-9ncxt-bts504-pb14255-deat-a3525046.html

[wheat plume]

the Pro 16 we got for 800, normally 1200, got good deal on those

maybe cause we bought like 80 of them

wait nvm that was a different model

[ashen spindle]

probably not the best deal since its the first laptop I found in the list when searching for dell that start with an 8 for the price but its not horrible

but even if its not the best deal its still a ton cheaper than framework

[wheat plume]

framework have better CPU

[ashen spindle]

yes and if you want me to find the same cpu in another laptop its still a ton cheaper we've been over this before

[wheat plume]

Yeh I know that

[halcyon moss]

Your users can be abusive fucks. I've seen what ppl can do to laptops by being complete brainless asshats

[wheat plume]

Most of them broken hinges are from people at a desk fulltime
And occasionally from home
So probably less than average openings and closing

[halcyon moss]

Yeah.. How does that go against what I said? :p

[wheat plume]

That being said
We think one guy did it on purpose to get a newer model laptop
Cause two guys in his office did get newer laptops because the ones they had were too old for windows 11
But he had a newer one than them before the upgrade that did support 11

He tried to hide his disappointment when the laptop was still under warranty so we got it repaired and sent right back to his desk xd

240W charger for a laptop is crazzyyy wow

smol but 240W

https://youtu.be/OZRG7Og61mw

[old marlin]

not suuuuper crazy

[wheat plume]

sneaky Desktop cameo XD

[old marlin]

wait wtf

why is there a f4mi reference

[wheat plume]

f4mi?

[old marlin]

other youtuber

https://www.youtube.com/@f4micom

did the voiceover at 1:20

[wheat plume]

wow, I love ass

[old marlin]

yea that is the subtitle format iirc

[wheat plume]

ye

[old marlin]

basically adds a ton of invisible subtitles

I hate how they use nvidias naming scheme (that they copied from apple)

basically removing the article

[wheat plume]

hm?

[old marlin]

stuff like "using Nvidia 5070 graphics card" instead of "using a Nvidia 5070 graphics card"

just like apple removes the article from the iPhone, so saying stuff like "taking Pictures with iPhone"

[wheat plume]

oohh...

[gusty kiln]

https://unheardlab.com/2025/08/23/hifiman-he600-review-a-modern-update-with-a-tricky-fit-for-now-at-least/

Finally a review of the HE600

[old marlin]

hifiman

[gusty kiln]

Kek yeah

[gusty kiln]

I was honestly a Lil excited to see yet another attempt to make the HE6

But alas another "not quite"

[wheat plume]

SMOLHAJ

[gusty kiln]

For some reason they can't make that heavy thick gold driver anymore

[old marlin]

probably money

[true blaze]

Hey I just bought the 60HE wooting, is there something that I should expect that would be a little complicated to setup maybe like the software or something of the sort?

[gusty kiln]

Someone said they lost the tooling lmao

But yeah most likely just money

[old marlin]

nah, it's pretty straightforward

unless you try to do it on an android phone

[true blaze]

Nono - I'm on pc aha

[gusty kiln]

The only thing is to disable the controller setting maybe

[true blaze]

I just wanted to check and make sure before I got it to make sure my slow brain could actually understand the keyboard lmao

[old marlin]

actually, ios doesn't fare any better

[true blaze]

Alright thanks!

[old marlin]

just using it as a keyboard is as straightforward as it gets really

[gusty kiln]

I get weird interactions when I game with a controller and with the 60he with controller function on

[old marlin]

but you have options to set up quite complicated stuff, which can obviously get quite complicated

I have minor gripes with rebinding but manageable, esp if you don't know better

[marsh glade]

"but they’re subtle, more like seasoning than a defining trait. " this is a wild sentence for a headphone review

[gusty kiln]

That's headphone reviews since forever

[old marlin]

what would you want to read?

[unkempt lake]

Nico pc upgrade done

[gusty kiln]

Adjective vomit

[old marlin]

"it sounds like a headphone"?

[old marlin]

your ram is superbly slow

are you running 4 dimms?

[marsh glade]

I didn't say that I didn't like the sentence

[fickle ore]

Man I need this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDqhmy6Bkdk

[true blaze]

Alright preciate the help have a good day and enjoy talking about tech lol

[old marlin]

only 500€

[fickle ore]

xD

yea damn, thats why I havent gotten it

[gusty kiln]

Man coffee hardware has gotten to audiophile levels of expensive for no reason

[old marlin]

eh, they are sticking a lot of tech and expensive production mehtods into it

[fickle ore]

roastmarket.de

[old marlin]

yea was looking at used prices

[fickle ore]

this is mid range mind you, or rather low range for gbw grinders (grind by weight)

[old marlin]

gotta be stupid to buy that new

[gusty kiln]

I just mean stuff like a high precision milled planetary gear coffee evener

[humble badge]

I just got my 80 HE yesterday. I was using it in a racing game and it felt like return keys were sticking. I would lose steering. I don’t know why.

[fickle ore]

depends how used haha. Idk if I would spend 500€ on old used grinder with no warranty and esp on the older libra. The Libra AP 65 is upgrade iirc

U drink spresso?=

[old marlin]

that 499 one is from march 2025

[gusty kiln]

https://weberworkshops.com/products/moonraker?srsltid=AfmBOoompwrf4J9HtXRMYyoGqfhJRmwt5-yf-otJXwHG2JMrB6CEdkSU

[old marlin]

the guy still has the original shipping box

[fickle ore]

Highend grinders are like 2k+ and machines are themselves like 3-8k 😄

[old marlin]

no I don't drink espresso

[fickle ore]

YET

[vagrant pagoda]

the only coffee guy i trust is james

[old marlin]

the guy even included images of the burrs

[gusty kiln]

I've stopped morning caffeine every since leaving college

[old marlin]

german used market is super good for weird hobby stuff

[fickle ore]

LOL 500€ for WDT HAHAH

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxklrAQfupw

[old marlin]

as long as it is something that older people can get into

[gusty kiln]

Literally just to make your coffee grounds even before pressing

[fickle ore]

ye german got the best used stuff for sure

[old marlin]

btw that is massively overpriced

[fickle ore]

Hoffman is good yeah I watch him, havent seen that but I doubt that works for espresso tbh

maybe for filter

[gusty kiln]

If I do start drinking coffee again, an aeropress should be plenty

[fickle ore]

its ok but cant match espresso

[vagrant pagoda]

expresso is coffee

[fickle ore]

njet

[vagrant pagoda]

expresso is coffee made with pressure

any coffee can make expresso

[nimble arch]

https://x.com/MKBHD/status/1960371566652338607

Marques Brownlee (@MKBHD)

Apple September Event invites have officially gone out

X · Aug 26, 2025, 3:59 PM

[gusty kiln]

Vision pro to have thermal vision?

Or thermal vision on iphone

[fickle ore]

There was a WDT video from uhh, Lance Hendricks about WDT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyUaCuoqYWc, you don't actually need it. Shaker (gravity is a better sorter than any WDT machine

[vagrant pagoda]

but james says a $150 grinder is as good as yesterdays 3500 grinder

[fickle ore]

see

Shaker is BIS for extraction yield = read evenness

[gusty kiln]

Ngl those expensive widgets do make for some nice asmr

[fickle ore]

ye but totally useless

[fickle ore]

ill watch that, but even if it were true, cheap 150$ grinder doesnt have gbw and that increases convenience

might pay 350$ for gbw

worth more than better gfx card anyway

[vagrant pagoda]

lmao youre too lazy to use a scale after?

[fickle ore]

imma just reference mark

[fickle ore]

yea scales suck if u makeing 3+ shots a day xD

[vagrant pagoda]

oh man using a scale 3 times a day XD

[unkempt lake]

1- it's not mine it's nico's
2- expo isn't on yet it was just the first post

[old marlin]

ah

I really hope that is 2 sticks

[unkempt lake]

It's 6000cl30 2 sticks

@old marlin

[old marlin]

good

[balmy vector]

Weak

Give the man 128gb

[ashen spindle]

honestly, with vcache chips it barely matters and running it at jedec means it cant fuck voltages or crash xD

[fickle ore]

well yeah, ofc 3500$ grinder with 1 day old stale preground wud be worse than 150$ grinder thats kinda given

[unkempt lake]

no i wanr 128

[balmy vector]

Give it to the man

[gusty kiln]

There are 6000cl28 kits now, but obviously negligible difference

[fickle ore]

u cant fix preground stale coffee with money

[plush stirrup]

There's still limited 2x64gb kits afaik :3

[digital cliff]

I know nothing about espresso and I was just rolling my eyes at the fancy tools and whatnot on display here

[vagrant pagoda]

how would a grinder ever fix prefround coffee?

[fickle ore]

indeed, so idk whats the point of u saying 150$ grinder fresh coffee beats a 3500$ grinder that grinded the coffee yesterday.

[fickle ore]

lol yeah its a fun hobby - I'm just finding my way around it with FIRE equipment

[digital cliff]

I like nerding about things and I will say that I've never tried good espresso, or otherwise know anything about it, but from the outside all that nerding about distributing and tamping and stuff... it's just a little too much for me haha

[bright briar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NwPdtIkfNk

nico waiting for the bios update to finish

[digital cliff]

my coffee is just random beans I feel like buying, thrown through a grinder and brewed with a V60 with no temperature controls, accurate procedure or the like

[vagrant pagoda]

because not everyone has a good grinder at home and buy the coffee

[digital cliff]

I have a scale that's accurate to... 5g, if it feels like it

[vagrant pagoda]

the point is getting a $150 grinder can save you from having to get fresh ground coffee daily

[fickle ore]

Wait no, thats not James meant. Fresh coffee in this case = just grinded at home

So fresh coffee ground from baratza esp today > yesterday ground from 3500$

[fickle ore]

I could teach u it in like 15 mins. Just get baratza esp (150€) and grind, blind shake into a portafilter, tamp and go

0,01 g scale from alibaba should work 😄

[digital cliff]

150€ is too much for me to invest into anything right now, especially something I'm not particularly interested in

[vagrant pagoda]

just buy expresso then

[fickle ore]

if ur in supermarket, look behind the bean bag, if its paahdettu within < 2 months generally its ok, 1 month even better

[vagrant pagoda]

most shops will sell you fresh ground

[fickle ore]

if its expire day is x/2026 means its 2 years old by that point

[fickle ore]

Alright 😄

[digital cliff]

I have a grinder, I don't have an espresso machine though

I just checked the beans I got recently, roasted mid-June

[fickle ore]

random 50€ eGrinder for filter is good too, I have one of those for my Moccamaster as well. Beats preground anyday

[digital cliff]

so kinda too old already from the store

[bright briar]

eGrinder.....

[fickle ore]

thats pretty good actually, some LIDL beans I got were like 1.5 years old im using rn

[bright briar]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

[fickle ore]

Using my electric atmos vacuum coffee bean can for 1.5 year old beans

https://fellowproducts.com/products/atmos-vacuum-canister?variant=44096927465572

[digital cliff]

they'll oxidize in the grinder hopper anyway

or do you always only load the amount you need at a time?

[fickle ore]

Ah ye for filter

[fickle ore]

Ye single dose with espresso, I load 17g of beans to a scale, down them in baratza esp and go

workflow sux bc gotta revacuum roughly 3 times a day

havent nerded a better tech yet

[digital cliff]

yee sounds like a pain

I have the older baratza whatever, I dump as much beans as can fit in the hopper and use about 25g a day I think

so the rest will just oxidize away slowly

[fickle ore]

might wanna check how much is "2 cups" of coffee on ur random grinder, my Wilfa 2 cups was roughly 14g

[fickle ore]

yeah cant help that

[digital cliff]

I go by my scale from lidl, it's not very accurate but it gets a silver medal for trying

most importantly it only cost me like 8€

[fickle ore]

Nice! 😄 good haul

my wilfa was 60€ 😩

[digital cliff]

I used to buy expensive coffee when living in Jyväskylä, there used to be an "artisan" type coffee shop around, but now I basically just buy my coffee at the super because ordering is inconvenient and I haven't found one that I really like and would like to keep ordering

luckily there's more and more "artisan" coffee available but only in hypermarkets

supermarkets and below just get the paulig city beans and generic beans

[fickle ore]

Yeah overtime it quickly becomes very expesive to drink artisan. And I figured it'd only be worth it if vacuumed any ways. If u just store it'll oxidize and become as bad as regular coop coffee

Yeah ordering is inconvenient too

[digital cliff]

I suppose so. I use the 25g a day so at 40-50€/kg it's a euro per day to drink nice coffee, or more depending on how fancy you go with the beans

[fickle ore]

Not too bad but adds up

[digital cliff]

definitely

[fickle ore]

Apprently u'd also need like -40 C in a freezer to not age coffee

regular freezer will slow it down but not stop it

[empty wren]

https://youtu.be/rluJj3NEdQA

Index system for bambu ecosystem

Cons are temperature limitations and nozzle limitations I imagine due to induction heating.

[digital cliff]

pros are it probably just works super well

cons are it's bambu, closed, and limited if you wanna change anything

I don't imagine the nozzles are cheap

very cool idea though, am not sure what this solves that toolchanger didn't already looks like you can fit 6 into the H2D so that's more than the common 4-toolchanger at least

[empty wren]

Index is for everyone else

Also induction electronics need good cooling

That also does not take into fact magnetic heating really does not go beyond 300°C or so

[rough osprey]

huh

[empty wren]

Then you have Eddy current heating which is not as strong hence why not so much past, but likely not even a good idea since more power and more heat on electronics

Most users I imagine will be happy enough though bambu p1p goes to 300°C so nothing new

[empty wren]

Space constraints especially on a bambu printer also this can technically be more simple than a typical tool changer and weigh significantly less with it being induction based

https://youtu.be/XRQGVSnzLPg

First commercial induction hotend

[vagrant pagoda]

how is it different than any other tool changer?

[empty wren]

Only difference it is very compact

The induction technology makes it possible for quick heat up and cool down times

That is about it

[vagrant pagoda]

oh i know how cool induction is

the tool changer looks like a tool changer

[empty wren]

Yes still a tool changer

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rluJj3NEdQA

[thick elk]

Definitely seems like a good path for the future, induction tool changer, affordable enough does not add a lot of bulk, definitely seems like a winner to me.

[marsh pewter]

#🔌│tech message

[vagrant pagoda]

my messag got deleted with it odd

i was linking the video so say someone bambu made a tool changer that sitll needs a purge tower

[thick elk]

I think I like the bondtech approach more, if only for it being more of an open general solution.

[vagrant pagoda]

yep

the issue is still ooze and creep

[thick elk]

Wiping off ooze is still a lot less than a color / material change purge

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

[thick elk]

material change being difficult in general without multiple hotends

[vagrant pagoda]

even with multi hotends

you have ooze and creep

not saying it will stop you justy have to have the programing and setup to compensate

[thick elk]

Pretty much yea, personally very much behind the times in 3d printing.
Still on a mk3s, did not even go around modding it with clipper, maybe I should but don't print enough so currently is fine.

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x9f1bmsME0

[unkempt lake]

7600x3d is even cheaper now @vagrant pagoda same price as bundle discount no bundle needed

[vagrant pagoda]

nice

[unkempt lake]

I may the bundle is nice cuz like

[vagrant pagoda]

if i played at 1080 might be worth it

[unkempt lake]

You do save on the mobo

[vagrant pagoda]

but 4k+ dosent matter

[unkempt lake]

Its just nice seeing cpus be affordable

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

miss the 5800x3d days

it was so cheap other than gpus

now gpus are getting normal

[ashen spindle]

ehhh the x600x3d parts are rarely worth it, arrow lake or such are often better value than those

[unkempt lake]

This is cad

[warm ore]

not for me kek, early adopted for 460 EUR

[ashen spindle]

doesnt change what I said

[vagrant pagoda]

450 usd XD

[warm ore]

hehe

[vagrant pagoda]

i went 4790k -> 5800x3d

[warm ore]

funny close

[vagrant pagoda]

its the most efficent cpu on the market though

[warm ore]

4790k -> 3800XT -> 5800X3D

[vagrant pagoda]

and at anything other than 1080p low, 7600x3d is a better buy than intel

[warm ore]

Ryzen is better buy for a while now, Intel needs to put something on the table again

[vagrant pagoda]

its competitors are i7/i9 and the 5700x3d lol

no way 13/14th gen i7/i9 is cheaper

[warm ore]

did you CO offset your 5800X3D btw?

[vagrant pagoda]

oh yeah

[ashen spindle]

not but intel has been dumping arrow lake prices

[warm ore]

how far did yours go

[unkempt lake]

Still too expensive here

• getting nico on am5 makes sense

[vagrant pagoda]

-30

[unkempt lake]

If i upgrade i can just give him my 7800x3d

[warm ore]

Okay thats really nice

[vagrant pagoda]

just enough to pin the boost clocks

and keep 2k flck

[warm ore]

My silicon quality was not quite as nice

[vagrant pagoda]

but i need to find some better ram

i binned 5

[warm ore]

-25 all core at first, but two cores degraded overtime

been sitting here since with no change

[vagrant pagoda]

265k would be close to a 7600x3d

but still use more power even with the BIG.little bullshit

only thing intel dose good is idle power

but installing discord will nuke that gain

[warm ore]

i have a 3600C14 DR kit if you will care possibly by end of this year

[vagrant pagoda]

i bet its not 32x2

[warm ore]

not, thats too much

2x16

[vagrant pagoda]

XD

its b-die though

[warm ore]

obviously this is aswell

[unkempt lake]

But the 265k is 400$ lol

[vagrant pagoda]

oh yeah

its not worth it, im just saying the nearest in speed

same with a i9/7

[warm ore]

Not sure what the use case, but considering both aren't being manufactured and that at the time it was already unobtanium to get 2x16GB DR, your chances will be zero for 2x32GB of similar specs.

[vagrant pagoda]

they are on newegg

32gb bdie can be had as noone bought it

its a ripjaw 32gb 3200 cl14

[gusty kiln]

I went 4460 > 3700x > 5800X3D

[gusty kiln]

I bought teamgroup 3200cl14 off of newegg for $99 about a year ago

Now they are almost 2x that in 3rd party websites

[vagrant pagoda]

64gb of b-die is 73 usd

will do 3600cl16 and 3800cl18

[gusty kiln]

where? on newegg the cheapest is like 150

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0171GQR0C?th=1

[gusty kiln]

not b-die according to B-die finder, but it could be outdated

[tribal dirge]

FINALLYYYYY https://youtu.be/OZRG7Og61mw?si=61fLG92UHujvVgy0

THEY HAVE NVIDIA GRAPHICS NOW

[vagrant pagoda]

was already posted

[tribal dirge]

SHIT IM TOO SLOW!!!

[gusty kiln]

M-die apparrently

[vagrant pagoda]

thats the wrong sku?

must have swapped the part on the same listing

[gusty kiln]

that's what you linked when I click on the amazon

[tribal dirge]

its so good! I want one so bad

Had my eyes on the XL until bambu confirmed the existence of H2C

[vagrant pagoda]

alos its micron b not samsung b

still good shit, i can run 3600 14-14-14-34 no issues

and 3800 16-16-16-38

[gusty kiln]

I heard micron e-die was pretty decent

[gusty kiln]

yeah the kit I bought was samsung b-die

[wheat plume]

Theoretically, if you buy 2 DisplayPort Expansion Cards from Framework
And use them on their Desktop ....

That means you'd have a mini PC with 4 DP ports
Along with the HDMI and USB C
You could power 6 displays with it at once

In theory

[vagrant pagoda]

even ran 4000 17-19-19-40

[vagrant pagoda]

b-die is 8gbit

so no 32GB sticks

but it isnt the best ram these days on ddr4

[gusty kiln]

leme check

sammy B

[vagrant pagoda]

is that the asus itx double stackers?

[gusty kiln]

https://www.newegg.com/team-group-t-force-xtreem-argb-32gb-ddr4-3200-cas-latency-cl14-desktop-memory-blue/p/N82E16820331595?Item=N82E16820331595&utm_campaign=TEMC-Shipping-Delivery-Notification&cm_mmc=TEMC-Shipping-New-Delivery-Notification-Responsive-USA-_-N82E16820331595&utm_source=transactional&utm_medium=email

man why newegg links are awful

[vagrant pagoda]

oh its 16x2

[gusty kiln]

oh yeah it's a 32g kit

[vagrant pagoda]

what i linkewd is 32gb STICKS

[gusty kiln]

ahh

[vagrant pagoda]

8gbitx16 is 16GB stick

[gusty kiln]

but anyway I'm happy to snipe this kit for only 99

[vagrant pagoda]

the max on bdie

i mean bdie isnt the best anymore

micron b and e that are binned are way better

as bdie stopped binning at 3600cl14

[unkempt lake]

Arrow lake is just not worth it

[gusty kiln]

micron e were dirt cheap during the height of AM4

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah but good bins are better than bdie unless you want to bin your own bdie

[gusty kiln]

but I'm lazy so plug and play is nice

[ashen spindle]

Arrow lake is totally worth it when it’s cheap lol

[unkempt lake]

atm it's not really worth

[gusty kiln]

yeah 265k mobo deals are insane

[vagrant pagoda]

nah

intel will dump the socket next gen

[unkempt lake]

Compared to the cheap 7600x3d

[vagrant pagoda]

like always

meanwhile am5 gets n2

[unkempt lake]

Like raw perf for gaming

[gusty kiln]

outside of gaming I would get the cheapo 265k deal over a 7600x3d

[unkempt lake]

And price wise 290cad 179euros

[ashen spindle]

If you want more IO it’s the only platform if you want to not got threadripper, people also don’t upgrade each year so do you update every 5 years it doesn’t matter if there is no further upgrades on it

[vagrant pagoda]

more io? 90% of people dont use thier current io

the extra pcie5 on a z790 is not worth it

[ashen spindle]

I said if you want more...

I didnt say average person needs more

but theres plenty of cases where arrow lake is worth it

[vagrant pagoda]

nico is average though, no offence nico

XD

also amd gfives you pcie 5 nvme

[ashen spindle]

in his case sure, in general ARL is not as bad as launch anymore though

[vagrant pagoda]

265k is way more in cad

410+ for a 265k

290 cad for 7600x3d

[gusty kiln]

rip canadia

[vagrant pagoda]

a modicum of research would have shown you dashi is right

[ashen spindle]

I never even said the purchase is the false choice...

[vagrant pagoda]

now in the us where a 7600x3d is 300 and a 265k is 260, sure its a good comparaison

but 120 bucks more is a big jump

[gusty kiln]

pretty sweet deal

[ashen spindle]

all I said was ARL is often worth it because its so cheap now, I never once said getting the cheap 7600x3d was wrong lol

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah not bad for ddr4 platform

[vagrant pagoda]

and we are saying it isnt worth it in the case of literaly dashi buying a 7600x3d

[ashen spindle]

and where am I disagreeing with that..

[young bough]

Intel 🤮

[pale sigil]

I question if there's any point me having this PS4 still

Almost all games on here are on pc now lol

[vagrant pagoda]

streaming to a vita

[pale sigil]

I don't have a vita XD f

[vagrant pagoda]

smh

[gentle osprey]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/SVXHoA5qQ9

https://tenor.com/view/another-one-dj-khaled-one-more-the-latin-recording-academy-latin-grammy-gif-5931603307979206748

[gusty kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/bitesthedust-freddie-mercury-queen-kelsisman-gif-14119598

[ashen spindle]

ehhh that seems like a capacitor failure

[vagrant pagoda]

cap blew?

thats a odd one

[ashen spindle]

yeah that seems unrelated to the 12v thing

[vagrant pagoda]

even then

a dead short wont blow a filter cap

just a bad cap, its a pny

they are shit tier

[gusty kiln]

American quality at it's finest

[ashen spindle]

yeah thats just someone doing bad soldering or something

[gentle osprey]

Yeah not saying it’s related to 12v

Just that another 5090 bites the dust

[vagrant pagoda]

eh can prob be fixed

if its even dead

[ashen spindle]

yeah just replace the cap and it should be fine

[tribal dirge]

rip capacitor

[gentle osprey]

Yeah true, shouldn’t happen tho

Even tho it happens

[vagrant pagoda]

wait he had a superflower leadex?

[gentle osprey]

Yeah

[tribal dirge]

faulty caps can sometimes sneak through, happens all the time.

[vagrant pagoda]

Luumi had one kill 2 mobos

[gentle osprey]

Interesting

[gentle osprey]

Yeah

[vagrant pagoda]

wonder if it was exessecvie ripple under load

[tribal dirge]

if it was we would see way more exploding capacitors than this one

[vagrant pagoda]

thats what luumi had

granted he was running a 2000w with ln2

[gentle osprey]

Yeah this is the first I seen of an exploding cap

[vagrant pagoda]

but 5090 is prob the same load on a 1300w

[gentle osprey]

Funny that it had enough force to bend rad fins, even though those are easy to bend anyway

[vagrant pagoda]

caps fly off

[tribal dirge]

the vents on the tops of caps can explode with quite a bit of force

[vagrant pagoda]

there are literally cap gun projectsd

[gentle osprey]

Haha yeah makes sense

[tribal dirge]

if nvidia was smart they would get an electrolytic with venting

[vagrant pagoda]

nothing to do with nvidia

its a pny card

[gentle osprey]

Isn’t this more a PNY thing

[tribal dirge]

ah

[gentle osprey]

Yeah

[ashen spindle]

this is just normal hardware failure of a part

[tribal dirge]

ah, so not an FE card

[gentle osprey]

Nah not FE

[vagrant pagoda]

dose fe even have eletroletics?

[gentle osprey]

And yeah I thought that too maybe

[vagrant pagoda]

pretty sure its all soildstate

yeah it is

no room for them on the fe

[tribal dirge]

they are all ceramic caps yeah

yeah the FE pcb is tiny lmao

so dense

literally almost no space was wasted on that pcb

[crystal summit]

Bro wth is tsmc

[gentle osprey]

Chip manu

[crystal summit]

Oh okay

[vagrant pagoda]

add apple m in there too XD

[crystal summit]

Ryzen better than intel core

[tribal dirge]

technically Intel still diffuses some chips in their own fabs but none of their ultra series cpus at least are not diffused in their own fabs

I know some current gen Xeon cpus are diffused at Intel's own fabs

[gusty kiln]

interesting to see how the 288 e-core will perform

[tribal dirge]

on Xeon?

[gentle osprey]

Right, yeah

[vagrant pagoda]

worse than zenc

[gusty kiln]

oof

[ashen spindle]

yeah but its not the same market it'll be fine for the 1Q its out before zen6

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean e cores are still single thread though?

192c zen5c is gonna be hard to beat for them with out 1000w

[vagrant pagoda]

it is the same market SF competed directly with zen4c

zen4c was more powerful and more effiecent than SF

even though zen5c only added 50% more cores it got a lot more effiecent

[ashen spindle]

we will need to wait for benchmarks, it could very well be that for the VM market where you slice things up the layout just makes it efficent enough etc.

[vagrant pagoda]

they are only talking 17% gains in ipc

[ashen spindle]

it is very delayed and bandwidth seems to be something that could struggle but it has a base tile thats just cache so that could make up for it

[vagrant pagoda]

and zen4c was 20% faster than SF

so the only gain is going to be from 100% more cores

tbo the biggest gain they will get is from going to ddr5-8000

the real question dose sp5 have the headroom for 600w+ for a 256c part on zen6c

[vagrant pagoda]

dosent it have like a gig of l3?

[ashen spindle]

half a gig of LLC

https://chipsandcheese.com/p/intels-clearwater-forest-e-core-server

there are the latest slides from hot chips today

[vagrant pagoda]

maybe i saw someone combining the 2s

so 576*2

[empty wren]

That looks like an mmu

[vagrant pagoda]

t0 t1, etc is tools

[empty wren]

Hmm

[vagrant pagoda]

looks like indx

[empty wren]

Ah I see now

[vagrant pagoda]

makes sense Josef isnt ready for a full release

so bondteh released the indx

[empty wren]

Well only a matter of time I bet next year you can expect cheap inductively heated kits

So cheap Chinese tool hangers shall flood the market

[vagrant pagoda]

soon TM Prusa will release a corexy with tool changers

[empty wren]

I am assuming a core one?

[vagrant pagoda]

XD

[gusty kiln]

man I want one

[empty wren]

Probably posted it to stay relevant as well

Core one has serious vfa issues

Their solution was to tighten belts more to 100hz

[empty wren]

You will have a lot of choices soon

In my opinion the advantage of prusa is their loadcell based toolhead

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah they fixed that though

[empty wren]

But one can argue Bambu labs can do the same things with sensors what I dislike is the h2s has 22 sensors does not include cameras

German buddy got a DOA h2d

Because one hall sensor was dead

[vagrant pagoda]

its also not just a purse issue

[empty wren]

Absolutely correct

[vagrant pagoda]

but the issue with the core is that it only effected SOME printers at SOME speeds

[empty wren]

But it was pronounced

[vagrant pagoda]

so they had a hard time replicateing it

[empty wren]

In the hobby community there is a saying print fast for less issues

[vagrant pagoda]

they get to replace the printers then print the same gcode

[empty wren]

I also am coming up with a solution for vfas

[vagrant pagoda]

my only xy dose big shit but it would never have that issue

[empty wren]

I have one idea in the world for bed slinger beds

[vagrant pagoda]

pretty sure the frame would flex if i did core one speeds lol

[empty wren]

If you print at the correct resonant frequency

You can avoid it

[empty wren]

They did have a steel tube

[vagrant pagoda]

mine isnt

XD, its a 4040 box

[empty wren]

That is okay

[covert ravine]

Hai tech gng

[empty wren]

You can heatsoak

Heat soaking eliminates the need for titanium or steel tube x gantries

[vagrant pagoda]

lmao

[empty wren]

Also properly screw torquing

Because at its core the issue is steel and aluminum having different friction cofficents

[vagrant pagoda]

it has a liquid magnum+

with 3mm filament

[empty wren]

What is the profile of your extrusion on x

[vagrant pagoda]

and heated chamber

its all 4040 XD

[empty wren]

That is significantly better than 2020

[vagrant pagoda]

well its almost 600mm long

[empty wren]

Did you properly torque your screws I also wonder?

[vagrant pagoda]

with a cordless impact yeah

[empty wren]

Well those are probably one time use now🤣

[vagrant pagoda]

it dose mainly storage containers and project enclosures

[empty wren]

Can you share your mesh?

[vagrant pagoda]

so its like vase mode or 2 primater

almost zero infill

[empty wren]

What is your bed made from

How thick

[vagrant pagoda]

its plate glass

[empty wren]

So your heater is on glass?

[vagrant pagoda]

on top of a alum plate

[empty wren]

Oh

Is it cast plate?

[vagrant pagoda]

500mm was the largest that my mill would fit

got 20inchs on the x

[empty wren]

Not much

[vagrant pagoda]

20 inchs is big for a mill fam

[empty wren]

🤔

[vagrant pagoda]

20 on the x is massive

[empty wren]

Well alright I will believe you

[vagrant pagoda]

on the y thats smalls

[empty wren]

How thick is the aluminum plate

If you know

[vagrant pagoda]

a standard bridport is only 12 inch x and 36" y

the cnc is 20x40y

[empty wren]

Ah

[vagrant pagoda]

its the size of a large suv

[vagrant pagoda]

it was 1/2"

i milled top flat

then milled pockets for the heaters on the bottom

[empty wren]

Was it cast?

[vagrant pagoda]

extruded

[empty wren]

Or you got some random plate just curious is all of you know

[empty wren]

Could be better but you got glass on top

[vagrant pagoda]

fam

its milled to +/-0.0001 inch

[empty wren]

That is fine

But it has stresses is what I mean

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

[empty wren]

But your glass sheet negates those

[vagrant pagoda]

thats why you gotta machine it in multiple passes

it isnt going to warp over time

[empty wren]

The stresses appear when you heat the plate

Even more

[vagrant pagoda]

its tempered

so no

[empty wren]

Not the glass sorry

[vagrant pagoda]

no the alum

its 6061-t6

and printer is way under the service limit for 6061

[empty wren]

I should reword what I mean

[vagrant pagoda]

which is like 300-350

i dont think anything will stick at 170C

[empty wren]

If there are stresses in the plate, when you heat it up they become more apparent if you measure flatness perhaps you machining it has helped reduce them

[vagrant pagoda]

you arent gonna measure that with a fdm printer in t6

[empty wren]

This is why people use cast aluminum plates but technically you can use whatever you want just be smart about it

Well you can with a probe but you can still print since 0.2mm but your probably use higher

[vagrant pagoda]

maybe if it was thin untreated alum

[empty wren]

So even less of an issue for you, so you know what you are doing

[vagrant pagoda]

but 1/2 t6 isnt going to warp

[empty wren]

Well you will not see it by eye

But irrelevant anyways since your machine works fine

I am just nitpicking

I will say one thing your machine sounds very cost effective for the size

[vagrant pagoda]

it was a shitty printer

[empty wren]

Still though

[vagrant pagoda]

that has like 5% of its orginal parts

[empty wren]

The elegoo gigastorm a meter tall absolute disaster

48 bloody screws and springs

There is 16 plates made of thin extruded aluminum

[empty wren]

For the best

[vagrant pagoda]

the printer was like 600 bucks in 2018 or 2019

[empty wren]

Hot damn

[vagrant pagoda]

tronxy x5 500mm

[empty wren]

I paid €1200 for my 400

[vagrant pagoda]

this is real shitty

[empty wren]

Well my extrusions are somewhat warped

Also all the screws are carbon coated steel

Which rusts

[vagrant pagoda]

same

it was 2020 and like a single 2040

its now all 4040

[empty wren]

Damn you threw all the extrusions away

Misumi 4040?

[gusty kiln]

I kinda want one of those racing sim triple monitor aluminum extrusion mount but desktop version

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean they are in a pile

[empty wren]

Well alright

[vagrant pagoda]

it has a big tree board now

with all nema 23s

[empty wren]

You can buy cheap 80/20(brand) extrusions if you live in America

[vagrant pagoda]

well they are closed loop steppers

[empty wren]

Beefy

[vagrant pagoda]

has a big trtee skr

[empty wren]

Hobby community overall uses nema17

Better boards out now if you decide to upgrade later

Octopus line got 8 drivers

[vagrant pagoda]

this was like years ago fam

why would i need 8 drivers

[empty wren]

Hybrid

Basically 2 more motors in Cartesian for y

Will make y as fast as x

Or you can do awd

[vagrant pagoda]

its a corexy with dual z

5 is enough

[empty wren]

Ah simple Z too

Bed will stay level with that

[vagrant pagoda]

sometimes

it had to get linear rails to keep it from tipping

[empty wren]

Triple Z is nice but would need to often reautomatically tram

Guessing preloaded?

[vagrant pagoda]

its 4 ball screws on z

[empty wren]

Rolled guessing

[vagrant pagoda]

idk

the stock ones

[empty wren]

Well made the same way fastener threads are

Rolling the pattern in

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah but i have no idea

its the stock screws

[empty wren]

Fair enough

[vagrant pagoda]

they were wobby

they sent 2 more

just as bad

so i dtiched the 4 linear rods

added 2 linerar rails, and belted the 2 screws together

so it has 2 rails and 4 ballscrews