🔌│tech

[gentle osprey]

Lol no worries

[unkempt lake]

You need to enable console mode on a pc

https://help.wooting.io/article/106-how-to-use-your-wooting-keyboard-with-playstation-xbox-or-pc-bios-nkro-off

@spice latch

[spice latch]

Tysm

[pastel galleon]

Question, has anyone used an AMD RADEON GPU as a primary and used an NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX GPU as a secondary, but ultimately able to use shadowplay? I don't really want to explain why my friend wants to do this, but I was hoping someone wpuld be able to help!

[ashen spindle]

use obs?

[astral haven]

In obs its called replay buffer

[ashen spindle]

at least I assume you mean the 2 minute clip saving because shadowplay is long gone as a name

and like I guess maybe you could route the output from one gpu to the other and then have that render the overlay and maybe that works? idk that all sounds pointless and frankly dumb without more info

because if its not the primary gpu its already additional software so why limit it to the vendor specific tool

[astral haven]

I bet you can plug the monitor into NVIDIA, render on amd, and get shadowplay

And that's no additional software besides the NVIDIA app

[ashen spindle]

doesnt even sound like its for encoding

oh I guess it would be encoding, encoding just makes me think streaming or processing video not saving clips

[astral haven]

Amd still doesn't do 4:2:2 which is the default compressed pro standard

[unkempt lake]

Use the amd recording tool...

[crimson wigeon]

But shadowplay better!!!

[unkempt lake]

shit looks basically the same

Technically nvidia has the better screen recorder but the one that amd uses has been perfectly fine for a while now

Like personally i can't fucking tell

Some people can but its just tiny tiny differences

[astral haven]

Sometimes
Sometimes the differences are intense
It really depends on the game

[unkempt lake]

The guy has a 9000 series gpu tho

Not 7000

9000 seriously stepped things up even more

Also if it was gonna matter that much to him why did he get a 9070xt????

Instead of a 5070 ti???

Literally gonna spend more running a second gpu just for recording

For visual details that frankly

NO ONE will notice

[astral haven]

9000 still doesn't support 422
Not that local recording would use 422 but still

In fact nvidia only started supporting it on 5000 series

[pastel galleon]

Gaming is done on his 9070 XT Prime but has 2x monitirs which only support HDMI, so this is temporary

[astral haven]

it doesnt, yea just use obs

would have to plug in second gpu because none of them have 2xhdmi

except some super rare expensive ones

[steady sail]

if he has a iGPU just use that for one of them

[pastel galleon]

He is using his 3060 for now as well for display out and shadowplay to organize clips, because ReLive just shoves everything into an unknown folder

[astral haven]

most people have amd, and amd igpu + dgpu is pain

[pastel galleon]

he needs 3 monitors but his 9070 XT only has 1x HDMI when 2 of his monitors don't have DP but only HDMI

he doesn't have adapters or HDMI to DP cables

[astral haven]

they probably used shadowplay before, and it works great

[unkempt lake]

It's not tho

XD

[astral haven]

it is when you game with the igpu as the display out

or leave hardware accel on on anything you put on the other monitor

[pastel galleon]

9070 XT

• Gaming

3060

• Extra HDMI
• Clipping using shadowplay, organizing clips per app and separating aufio from video

[lunar elm]

most people have amd as in

[astral haven]

amd cpus

(for people building a pc recently)

[pastel galleon]

This is what my friend said

maybe it's just the overlays conflicting with eachother

I just told him to get used to using relive because the 9070 XT's encoding is very good now

[pastel galleon]

also I asked if he could use his mobo HDMI for one of his secondary monitors

he will try that!

[halcyon moss]

Monitors without display port? That's rare

[latent mural]

Been thinking about upgrading to a proper pc build from the laptop I’ve been using for a bit.

Ive forgotten how much of a pain finding GPUs are

I’m honestly between the 5070 or the RX 9070; I’ve found a 5070 FE for msrp but that 12gbs of vram is pretty worrying for 1440p longevity, especially at that price point. The 9070 solves that and should be cheaper but it’s impossible to get one for msrp

[old marlin]

9070 should still be the better deal unless you pay more than the 5070

[latent mural]

I haven’t found a single 9070 at or around msrp, 5070 FE on the other hand is only 545 at my local Best Buy

I would go 9070 blindfolded otherwise but I just can’t get myself to pay 630~ for the card, let alone the XT version which should only be 50 bucks more

[ashen spindle]

Yeah it’s a gamble if there price will get to msrp or if tariffs continue to fuck that in the us

[lunar elm]

wait for super refresh and get 5070 super

get whatever is msrp

[magic minnow]

This would be so cool if you could add 3rd party YouTube music apps
https://github.com/acszo/Redomi

[pastel galleon]

yep

[umbral heron]

No fucking way
Who uses FAT32 in the big 25
SOOOOONYYYYYY

And welp, time to order new SD
It's very not happy with 512 I stole from Steam Deck

[reef patrol]

Backwards compability I guess.

ExFAT isn't supported universally.

[umbral heron]

It is
Nowadays it really is
It's been supported since Windows XP and on Linux and macOS since '09
I doubt any photo maniac nowadays is still on Windows 98

[reef patrol]

A -lot- of machines run weird, proprietary software that isn't just your regular OS.

[umbral heron]

Oop, nevermind, it formats by default to FAT32, but supporets exFAT, good

[reef patrol]

[umbral heron]

Well, that is true, whenever there's something about proprietary it's most likely Sony
Also why I was so surprised they decided to have a... one standard for their all cameras and all lenses?!

[rough osprey]

who uses sdhc in big 25

[umbral heron]

if it's SDHC it formats to FAT32, it it's SDXC it formats to exFAT
SOOOOOOOONYYYYYYYYYYY

[rough osprey]

seems to be the official standard tho

for sdhc

[umbral heron]

Ok, fine
They why didn't they said so in the manual

Also why it formatted my SDXC to FAT32

[magic minnow]

I want to see the Pixel 10 Fold already

See how the new chip is

[umbral heron]

Seems like YouTube all-knowing algorithm decided I'm into woodworking right now

[analog sinew]

nice

[crimson wigeon]

Time for a change in profession

[umbral heron]

Or combine them and start making wooden fronts for servers

[umbral heron]

I think I need one more monitor
Music, Discord, web browser, Blender, file browser, OrcaSlicer...

[raw zephyr]

Your mind will be blown once you learn about tiling

[umbral heron]

No, thank you, I quite enjoy having functional desktop

[raw zephyr]

Tiling as in you can have multiple windows on one monitor

[umbral heron]

Maybe I should, yeah

[nimble arch]

No, go and tile a bathroom floor.

[umbral heron]

£150 per m2

[umbral heron]

Let the autism flourish
I created adapter from e-mount to binoculars
Great idea to let me learn how to use CAD and buy a 3d printer

[magic minnow]

So it doesn't crash, the top monitor is just flickering that's connected to the mobo, and the bottom monitor that's connected to the GPU is just black but I can hear the game

Which one though it has critical, error, warning?

[crimson wigeon]

All of them

[magic minnow]

https://www.sammyfans.com/2025/08/02/someone-is-folding-a-galaxy-z-fold-7-200000-times-live-on-youtube/

[tribal dirge]

Aren't there robots that already did that?

[lunar elm]

type shi

[umbral heron]

shi

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2393633994

[distant tapir]

I have 2 SSDs in my old computer. I have slot for one of them in my new one and I'm wondering which to pick. They are the 1 TB Samsung 960 Pro and a 1 TB Samsung 980 Pro. Which should I take? I know 980 Pro is faster of course, but I heard that the 980 model actual lacks something the 960 ones have. Any idea what that is?

[vagrant pagoda]

put the second in a enclosure. the make the best USB drives

i have a 1tb Intel nvme in mine and its killer

[plush stirrup]

I think samsung started using no cache on certain SSD's but not sure anymore, but the 980 Pro has cache

[distant tapir]

I thought 980 Pro was the one without a cache

[plush stirrup]

I see the 960 Pro is MLC vs the 980 Pro being TLC, TBW is a little higher on the 960 800TB, vs 600TB on the 980

[plush stirrup]

According to the site I use it has it

[umbral heron]

Isn't 980 Pro SLC?
And according to Samsung's site they have the same TBW

[plush stirrup]

Seems to be gone from the 990 evo plus vs the 970 evo plus

[plush stirrup]

Seems to be MLC

the TBW I said is correct though, 960 has 200TB more TBW

https://download.semiconductor.samsung.com/resources/data-sheet/Samsung_SSD_960_PRO_Data_Sheet_Rev_1_2.pdf
https://download.semiconductor.samsung.com/resources/data-sheet/Samsung-NVMe-SSD-980-PRO-Data-Sheet_Rev.2.1.pdf
Unless I'm using the wrong datasheets

[umbral heron]

Or Samsung be Samsung

[plush stirrup]

What does that mean? xD

[umbral heron]

Data on website might not be accurate

[plush stirrup]

I mean for me their website didn't even list TBW in the specs hence I had to find a datasheet

It just said 5y warranty or until TBW is reached or smth, but no mention of what the TBW was

It seems: https://semiconductor.samsung.com/consumer-storage/internal-ssd/980pro/ lists it with TBW
However https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/memory-storage/solid-state-drives/980-pro-pcie-4-0-nvme-ssd-1tb-mz-v8p1t0b-am/ does not.

[distant tapir]

So I should use the 980 Pro then

[plush stirrup]

I guess so, it seems unlikely you'll reach the TBW soon

[umbral heron]

Sanding off supports and cleaning every single tiny strand of filament was a pain in the ass

Sigma lens will arrive next week

[fair gull]

i hope you didnt sand the side facing the sensor/lens element

[umbral heron]

nope, I printed it so that there's no supports at all on the sensitive side

But yeah, even with kit lens it makes oh so much better photos than my potato phone

[fair gull]

my main gripe with DSLRs is lens distortion

[astral haven]

sigma is pretty goated, very very little distortion, and what is is corrected digitally in camera

[umbral heron]

For me it's only distorting the reality of what I find affordable

[analog sinew]

bro maybe you just put on some pounds

[tawdry kettle]

should my keycaps be moving, i have wooting 80he

[nimble arch]

Every so often I meander around the camera market but never buy anything. Maybe one day.

[analog sinew]

up and down is pretty normal

[analog sinew]

yeah me too

[tawdry kettle]

i mean right and left little bit

[analog sinew]

the default switches have some slight wobble yes

[tawdry kettle]

because in my older keyboard keycaps werent moving like that

[tawdry kettle]

ok thank you

[unkempt lake]

most of yall in a nutshell

[glass stag]

You included mrs. high end pc with ultrawide

[unkempt lake]

nuh huh

i play my games

[nimble arch]

I, too, play my games by not buying many.

[glass stag]

Free Epic games are singlehandedly making your backlog

[leaden kiln]

I like to buy expensive vr headsets and only use them to extend my dac from my pc

[nimble arch]

I claim the free games to spite Tim Epic

I will never play them

Nor shall I be giving them any of my money and card information

[umbral heron]

Mrs. buying her game on release or even pre-ordering them for full price

[unkempt lake]

They're not full price i buy them on greenmangaming! But yes i buy them on launch

[balmy vector]

Mr. Playing games with friends

[glass stag]

Shrek flavoured prices

[unkempt lake]

He gives me good deals

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-4267179305469803979

[glass stag]

Shrek gave me a good deal on Sniper Elite VR today

[unkempt lake]

shrek is love

ahrek is life

[leaden kiln]

space pirate trainer is a fun vr game

[old marlin]

ngl I took one look at it and first thought that was a female funny valentine

[bright briar]

fucking for real

[bright briar]

nintendo switch 2 games

https://tenor.com/view/rpx-syria-mic-drop-gif-19149907

[unkempt lake]

i buy discounted eshop giftcards at costco and use game vouchers

technically its not full price

even if its only a 15$ discount at most

xd

more if i use a voucher makes it around a 25$ savings

[ashen spindle]

mcdonalds food voucher mentality here

[fair gull]

i too eat my voucher

[unkempt lake]

It adds up over time

Well for nintendo games there's not much i can do besides that

For pc games most pc games dont reach 75% in 9 months lol (unless its something like Ubishit which i get for free anyways)

They'll be at like

35% ish

Which is in like to the price i get at launch on greenman

[nimble arch]

I don't buy enough games these day to really have an opinion on modern game pricing

My interest is so specific and/or limited that I'm happy to spend £70 on something I like

Or the deluxe edition for £80-90 in some cases

[unkempt lake]

I just try to get the best deal on release

Im impatient but hate paying full price

[bright briar]

wow $5 off

[sharp badger]

EXTREME SAVINGS, BUY NOW TO SAVE MORE

When i was in France though the Switch 2 with Mario kart was €499 vs €619

[analog sinew]

every canadian rouble saved can be reinvested into furry comissions

[unkempt lake]

I do collect coupons...

look

I like saving money okay?

[ashen spindle]

disgusting

[unkempt lake]

I price match my groceries ffs

[ashen spindle]

ah the life of a peasant, tragic

[unkempt lake]

I can use the saved money for my hobbies :)

well you see the money from the grocery store coupons compensates

[ashen spindle]

imagine not speedrunning every game so you can refund it within 2 hours smh

[unkempt lake]

Ur kinda right i dont play multiplayer stuff much

And i love nintendo games

I should sell my pc

Only play nintendo

Yes you'll all be so happy no more dashi because there's no discord on nintendo

only gamechat

aka the cash button

[nimble arch]

I need to try game chat

[nimble arch]

I have unironically considered this recently

[steel current]

but how are you gonna doomscroll yt shorts in horizontal mode

[nimble arch]

That's the thing, I don't.

[umbral heron]

No Ultrakill on console

[nimble arch]

Plus I have my MacBook for non-gaming desktop computing needs

[leaden kiln]

I bought an a reader, would've been 30 bucks cheaper if I was shopping for one yesterday, I drove by a warehouse that had an open box one but it's 8 hours away now 🥀

[nimble arch]

Driving 8 hours to save $30 is American coded

[leaden kiln]

I was there this morning but now I'm home
I'm not gonna drive back there

[distant tapir]

Did my PC just die...

Was watching a movie on my PC. Suddenly everything froze. It was so frozen that holding the power button didn't even restart my PC. I had to plug the power cord out, waited 20 seconds and plugged it back in. But now the PC won't fully boot. I hear the fans spin but they do not spin in their intended speed meaning that the PC is braindead and there is no signal to my monitor

I have restarted several times now but it hasn't been fixed. Help!!

[balmy vector]

switch it to FROG

[bright briar]

frog network

...

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luD4T-IPbxY not about homelab but has some interesting points

[balmy vector]

you can always go higher

[bright briar]

forg server....forg pond 🤯

[ashen spindle]

ehhh that very much depends, if you look at idle efficency on gaming desktop from amd, sure, otherwise it very handily beats arm in efficency

n100 or if you want more power arrow lake then, super low idle and vastly more pcie or other stuff

only reason you see bad idle is due to amd's cheap approach to chiplets, the io die hogs power

more advanced packaging costs more and is what we get with zen6, same thing as strix halo, so technically thats also great for idle but lacks pcie lanes and doesnt make much sense for most homelabs

yee unless you have like 0 pcie stuff attached that io die isnt powering down (also dont even know if the client io die can power down that far)

if you want low idle and efficent IO arrow lake is probably the best option, just need to make sure you get boards that have working ASPM

uhhh dont know what the limitations are on that but doesnt sound like something I heard issue with

if its worth it cost wise and all idk

I know the 265k has been on massive sales for weeks now but if its just light homelab use thats overkill still

yeah for low power n100 is probably still the best tiny cpu, or just any somewhat recent intel cpu from used servers

has qsv for video stuff, does proper low power etc.

[distant tapir]

What is a junper cap? Do you think there is one in the box of my motherboard

[ashen spindle]

just a piece of metal that connects the pins

[unkempt lake]

asrock 9000 series strikes again

[distant tapir]

Do I not need to use them? I'm confused

[unkempt lake]

another one bites the dust

[ashen spindle]

you can do a jumper or just remove the cmos battery and put it back in, does the same thing

[distant tapir]

On both of them simultaneously?

[unkempt lake]

https://youtu.be/fGpf_hfOKgI?si=578KW9VKBpuN63Bl

@distant tapir

[distant tapir]

I haven't been able to find a cmos battery

[distant tapir]

I'll try this

[unkempt lake]

I figured you were more of a visual guy

[distant tapir]

Was watching a movie on my PC. Suddenly everything froze. It was so frozen that holding the power button didn't even restart my PC. I had to plug the power cord out, waited 20 seconds and plugged it back in. But now the PC won't fully boot. I hear the fans spin but they do not spin in their intended speed meaning that the PC is braindead and there is no signal to my monitor
I have restarted several times now but it hasn't been fixed

[unkempt lake]

@sonic adder Was watching a movie on my PC. Suddenly everything froze. It was so frozen that holding the power button didn't even restart my PC. I had to plug the power cord out, waited 20 seconds and plugged it back in. But now the PC won't fully boot. I hear the fans spin but they do not spin in their intended speed meaning that the PC is braindead and there is no signal to my monitor

[ashen spindle]

Was watching a movie on my PC. Suddenly everything froze. It was so frozen that holding the power button didn't even restart my PC. I had to plug the power cord out, waited 20 seconds and plugged it back in. But now the PC won't fully boot. I hear the fans spin but they do not spin in their intended speed meaning that the PC is braindead and there is no signal to my monitor

[distant tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/haunting-ground-fiona-belli-eating-cannibalism-survival-horror-gif-5264506713458425634

I have an ifixit screwdriver. Will it work

[unkempt lake]

Was watching a movie on my PC. Suddenly everything froze. It was so frozen that holding the power button didn't even restart my PC. I had to plug the power cord out, waited 20 seconds and plugged it back in. But now the PC won't fully boot. I hear the fans spin but they do not spin in their intended speed meaning that the PC is braindead and there is no signal to my monitor

[ashen spindle]

literally anything metal just to connect it electrically

[distant tapir]

Shiny silverly metal

[unkempt lake]

Will work

Also

What motherboard do you have

Any debug leds?

[distant tapir]

Asrock B650I Lightning

If there are any LEDs I haven't been able to spot them

[unkempt lake]

What a dumb board

No debug leds at all

Only led is the one at the back for bios flashback

@distant tapir remove a stick of ram

Try the igpu

Check cables

Bios flashback

Clear cmos

Those are the things i'd try

[distant tapir]

Cmos thing didn't work 😓

[unkempt lake]

Try using the igpu

https://youtu.be/ngyni0nnTXA?si=IzL90TCpgr8BKKrL

Oh and well if all the cables look good, ram has been reseated/tried with 1 stick

I'd try bios flashback

@distant tapir had you installed thr bios update that fixed asrock boards killing 9000 series cpus?

[ashen spindle]

it didnt kill 9000 series only the x3d ones if you got unlucky

[distant tapir]

Yes you walked me through that I rememver

[unkempt lake]

That was when you built the thing the asrock issues were after

[unkempt lake]

Guy has an x3d tho

[ashen spindle]

well idk that and its not what you said 😛

[unkempt lake]

Anyhow the bios fixes some wonky memory stuff that prevented booting

May fix his shit

[ashen spindle]

also if you kept XMP off that also wasnt an issue

[unkempt lake]

Basically everyone turns xmp on besides you quin

[ashen spindle]

nah

[somber jacinth]

5070ti or 9070xt?

[ashen spindle]

9070 if at similar prices

[somber jacinth]

cheaper actually

[unkempt lake]

The cheapest one

[somber jacinth]

ive just never used an amd graphics card

[unkempt lake]

Unless the 5070 ti is like 50$ over or something insignificant

[distant tapir]

I hate computers

[somber jacinth]

well its like $100 difference

[somber jacinth]

whats moumou pics btw?

[somber jacinth]

bet

[unkempt lake]

This is moumou

[somber jacinth]

haha cool

[unkempt lake]

Shes a cool cat

[twilit schooner]

[bright briar]

@somber jacinth Thats what youre fighting more SOLDIER !!!

[distant tapir]

Tried to use the IGPU but no difference

[unkempt lake]

Bios flashback time

Oh wait

Before that 1 stick of ram test

[distant tapir]

Which stick do I remove

[unkempt lake]

The one in the fourth slot

Keep only the one in the second slot

@distant tapir wanna switch to dm?

[distant tapir]

There are only 2 slots

[distant tapir]

Just wait a bit. Will try this first

[unkempt lake]

Oh yeah true

[pale sigil]

Rip

Taking HDD donations

[unkempt lake]

Remove the right one then

@distant tapir sorry i forgot you're using mitx

[distant tapir]

@unkempt lake I tried bios flashback to the latest version but it didn't work

It's not letting me do the flashback I don't think

Seen no flashing LED at all

And yes I was doing it 100% correctly

[unkempt lake]

How big was your usb drive

Was it fat32

[distant tapir]

Yes yes

[pale sigil]

Shouldn't it have a rename script

[distant tapir]

I feel like something in my pc is dead

[pale sigil]

Oh asrock

[unkempt lake]

Most likely

[distant tapir]

I haven't tried removing ram yet (because I have to unscrew the cpu cooler which sucks

But I'll try that now

So what do I do. Remove the right one (left technically since it's upside down), see if it works and if not do I replace the one there with the one I removed?

[unkempt lake]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ASRock/s/zMoAPkAftU

[distant tapir]

If this does not work I think I'm out of options :'(

[unkempt lake]

If you hadn't updated your bios AGAIN a few months after you built it when they released the fix

I'm pretty sure your cpu is toast

Sorry :/ i forgot to tell you because you weren't like active much

[distant tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/seia-seseren-seiacry-blue-archive-buruaka-gif-5884865201354083662

I didn't do anything. I wasn't doing a windows or bios update. I was just watching a movie and suddenly everything froze completely

[unkempt lake]

Generally how it gos

Goes it's random

[distant tapir]

So not being able to do flashback thing means cpu is probably dead?

Could ram still be the issue?

[distant tapir]

@unkempt lake 🥺

[unkempt lake]

Try it theres always a chance

[frozen ingot]

dying gpu can also cause the whole system to freeze up or crash

[unkempt lake]

Doesnt work w igpu

No post since the crash

[distant tapir]

Yeah I tries igpu. Just as dead

[frozen ingot]

probably not it then

[ashen spindle]

did you try igpu with the gpu removed from the system

[distant tapir]

And as I said, the fans spin but not at the speed they are meant to. They seem to run at default speed like the brain is dead

[distant tapir]

No I didn't

[unkempt lake]

Ih try that then i thought you had done so

[distant tapir]

I'll try

[frozen ingot]

todays silicon so frail

a bit of wonky bios or static from a can of dust-off and rip

[ashen spindle]

has always been like this, wrong voltage and your chips are dead in a second

[distant tapir]

Tried with 5070 fully disconnected and out of PC and with monitor connected to IGPU, no luck here either

[frozen ingot]

the tolerances and margins for error have gotten smaller on these ultra smol manufacturing process chipsets

[distant tapir]

Hope I have valid warranty for my cpu...

[ashen spindle]

tolerances are also still the same, its even better on some of them, you can do like 1.3-1.5 volt safe on some of them, sandy bridge ran at like 1.1 volt

[unkempt lake]

Asrock's response is basically "just deal with amd"

But you had the thing less than a year so yeah

You have warranty

[frozen ingot]

wasn't it the old pentium 3s/celerons that would take like 2v and still chug along

[ashen spindle]

bulldozer has like the same voltage as a 9800x3d runs at

[astral haven]

Wut

Bulldozer needed 2.2 to hit peak perf on liquid cooling

[ashen spindle]

stock voltage for a 8150 is 1.29V

[astral haven]

Stock

I dalied 1.6 on skylake and it took 1.8 to burn it

Run 1.4 on 7nm or later at full load and it'll melt

[ashen spindle]

eh, this is the zen3 voltage observation guide

[plush stirrup]

Long shot but have you tried unplugging all USB's? just in case

if you have any sata drives could try unplugging those too a faulty crucial caused my old MSI board to freeze just when it posted, wouldn't surprise me if it can make it freeze before a post.

[distant tapir]

Yes

[distant tapir]

No sata drives

[plush stirrup]

Did you try both RAM sticks?

like first take out left and after take out the right one? depending on which on if it boots with one or doesn't

Could also take out your nvme just to make sure it isn't that

[distant tapir]

I'll try tomorrow and if that doesn't work I'll just send my CPU in and hopefully get a new one back

[plush stirrup]

Could also be the motherboard though and not the cpu, right? Unless I'm missing something

[distant tapir]

I don't know. How would I be able to tell

[plush stirrup]

What does your power led do?

[distant tapir]

Power led?

[distant tapir]

This is basically what happened to me

[distant tapir]

Idk. I won't check right now

[bright briar]

be gentle to put it back in

https://tenor.com/view/furby-moan-sex-hot-sexual-gif-24307467

i'll take that bet

naw im just trolling im bored

https://tenor.com/view/bhibatsam-svp-sarkaru-vaari-paata-mahesh-babu-one-rupee-gif-25570077

you right

i need to order some food

on the tech phone through the eMobile delivery service

[unkempt lake]

You dont have thise you have a mini itx

[plush stirrup]

They do, unless they don't have a power LED

[sudden imp]

https://youtu.be/2XSRZzTYJas?si=bGZ7PRmg0L3g37kP

this is such a cool case!!!

[viscid quartz]

wooting vs a fighter jet who would win

[thick elk]

Dear malware maker, I would kindly request you to bugger of from the AUR and move to such places where malware is more socially acceptable, such as the snap store, promoted links in google, the Microsoft store, play store, or even Itch.io.

[digital cliff]

guess I'm just not using AUR soon if it becomes like this

[thick elk]

It always was a place pretty light on security, there is a reason Arch never includes aur helpers in their main repo's. But so far it has been mostly safe in practice, this looks like that may change.

[digital cliff]

yeah, endeavourOS has yay preinstalled, making AUR basically "recommended" by the OS

that's probably gonna change in short order going forward if it goes more to shit

[crimson wigeon]

Good, AUR should never be the default anyway

[digital cliff]

yeah it "shouldn't" but half the useful tools aren't available in official repos ever so

in practice it's mandatory if you want to enjoy life and not KMS I feel

[thick elk]

It is, still if you install things definitly best to only use the AUR after the main repo and check before installing

[digital cliff]

on that note I don't get how people use non-arch distros with various PPAs that are a pain

so cumbersome when everything is its own PPA

[umbral heron]

I'm not using AUR at all unless it's in README of git repo I'm interested in and it's maintained by developer themselves

[thick elk]

Wouldn't go that far but at least for now malware does not live long on the aur and a sanity check before installing is also good.

[umbral heron]

It's not intentional though, all tools I need are just in repos or very nicely documented on git

[halcyon moss]

Almost everything is snap or flatpak now

[digital cliff]

I see, never used em

[umbral heron]

Fuck snap
The easiest way to destroy your working distro

[digital cliff]

oh I did use flatpak once to test if the flatpak version of something worked where the official package did not

[halcyon moss]

.. How

[digital cliff]

but it seemed cumbersome and odd

[crimson wigeon]

Sounds like a skill issue to me, although my distro does not even package snap (if I remember right it did not meet some security meme requirements)

[umbral heron]

Some packages are so outdated, and yet suggested by snap, that they drag old libraries with themselves, effectively killing parts of your OS
Flatpak is great, amazing tool, can recommend
Snap should die

[halcyon moss]

Yeah.. Drag and drop issues, scaling..

[umbral heron]

I wouldn't mind snap if it was a choice during installation, just like Debian allows to pick a DE during installation
But they knowingly push a broken solution onto users and it's a pain to override it

[ashen spindle]

cant wait for news stories to run with this and then it turns out its fake because that looks very much like the gerforce now result when you try to play 18+ games there without verificaiton

[analog sinew]

good

more drama around the act

[ashen spindle]

I'd say false stories dont help getting your point across well and only weaken the good arguments

hmmm who wants to bet someone just did an F12 and changed the text to say application

[crimson wigeon]

No way, why would someone do that?!

[digital cliff]

you have a missed call notification you have to clear or I'm not responsible for what's gonna happen to you

[ashen spindle]

that isnt my screenshot

[digital cliff]

[analog sinew]

now you will suffer forever

[lunar elm]

plez vefy y age or explood

[silver egret]

a few days ago i was averaging like 29-35 ping in creative in fortnite and last few days averaging more than 40. does anyone know a fix or why this happened?

sorry

[halcyon moss]

5ms is nothing to worry about

[plush stirrup]

Could just be your ISP using another route, maybe maintenance, maybe something failed, might go back to normal at some point.

[silver egret]

i play comp and in comp every single ms matters tbh

[ashen spindle]

the numbers are not completely accurate anyway so looking at a number that is not the actual delay doesnt mean anything

30ms or 40 ms isnt any difference

[silver egret]

good advice tbh

[magic minnow]

Frogpost

[grave wyvern]

whats the best mousepad for around $60?

[distant tapir]

@unkempt lake if my CPU is dead do I have to get a new motherboard or can I just put in another CPU and it'll work fine? Or should I get a new motherboard (non-Asrock) since mine has potentially already murdered one?

[marsh glade]

The socket must match

And if you go from Intel to AMD or inverse, you'll need a different mounting bracket, which should have come with your motherboard

[distant tapir]

I see people say their replacement 9800X3Ds died shortly afterwards which makes me wonder if I should just get a new motherboard :/

[analog sinew]

i dont think we have definitive knowledge of what causes it

if its voltage limits + weak cpu or sth

[magic minnow]

NVIDIA needs to start making CPUs

[analog sinew]

cause it doesnt seem so clear what caused it

[distant tapir]

I agree. The more companies the better

[analog sinew]

yes asrock has more reports

[balmy vector]

AI cpus, interpolate clock speeds

[analog sinew]

but it still isnt clear what exactly does it

[distant tapir]

Sigh

I should have just gone with Intel, smh

[marsh glade]

Unhinged

[ashen spindle]

grab a 7800x3d for cheaper after refund if you're worried, there hasnt really been reports of those failing

[pastel galleon]

how shortly are we talking

and what motherboard models?

[lone dune]

Are there any AM5 mini ITX boards that come with 2 pcie slots ?

[pastel galleon]

not possible

[lone dune]

Lol trying to hook up a elgato 4k60

[distant tapir]

I've seen hours, days, weeks and a few months mentioned. Not entirely sure what the motherboard models are but they are mostly Asrock

[pastel galleon]

used mine for about 6 months so far and it's been great

[distant tapir]

Wish I were you

[pastel galleon]

🙏

[reef patrol]

[frozen ingot]

7800x3d sounds like a gud idea

[reef patrol]

And RAM stability and ... and... and...

Unless you live in brownout land, a BIOS update is fine. If you're worried, buy a motherboard with flashback.

[frozen ingot]

sometimes it doesn't pay to be a top of the line sweat

[marsh glade]

Three months delay on updates to critical infrastructure is prudent, unless there is a specifically defined security patch

[lunar elm]

no, ur asking for matx

[lone dune]

Yea MATX wont work for dual pc when i have a ATX mobo in

[lunar elm]

ive used mine for 7 and no issues at all we the good samples

[lone dune]

Need small form factor with 2 slots

[lunar elm]

ITX does not come with 2 pcie slots

that’d defeat the purpose and form factor of ITX

[lone dune]

Maybe m.2 to x4 pcie adapter?

[ashen spindle]

why even do dual pc in the first place

[lunar elm]

that can work but iirc the extra m2s are at the back of the mobo

all in all ur rly shooting urself in the foot

[lone dune]

Lol i think thats the only way to make it work with a 4k60 elgato

The corsair 9000D only supports 1 full size and one itx

[ashen spindle]

why do you need a second pc though

[analog sinew]

too much money

[sharp badger]

How about mATX?

[plush stirrup]

Hmm degradation :3

[sharp badger]

12700K have chugged on fine

[pastel galleon]

alder lake didnt have the issues

[plush stirrup]

prob last good gen from intel

[lunar elm]

daheq

[lone dune]

Eh mostly like to use Picture In Pic mode on my G9 oled smart monitor so i want to split the screen one pc be for gaming other pc on the other half of the screen is for streaming and also handles the chats and other stuff on my other monitors

[lunar elm]

just get a sub10l itx case atp

[ashen spindle]

but why do dual pc setup for streaming, just let one pc handle it, theres a reason why almost nobody does dual pc anymore

[lone dune]

I can use matx but not as secondary

[tribal dirge]

Unless you're a streamer, but other than that niche usecase yeah dual pc isn't really necessary anymore

[lone dune]

Dont want to take any performance hit and also want to fill up 9000D case so it doesnt look empty lol

[lunar elm]

if hes considering dual pcs in 1 he probably has some card like the 5070ti and above

which is gonna handle streaming perfectly fine

[ashen spindle]

you dont really take any performance hit, and if you do just get better hardware instead of a second pc and you're back to having a simpler setup again

[ashen spindle]

no I'm saying big streamers dont do dual pc setups anymore

[tribal dirge]

Yeah, single PC is way more simpler than two.

[sharp badger]

Why not put it it in a Lian li A3 or a SSUPD?

Nvm now i read about that 9000D

[lunar elm]

hardware has become so powerful and reaching further into moore's law that modern day streamers dont do dual anymore

[tribal dirge]

And most modern systems will be able to handle the workload of both gaming and streaming perfectly fine.

[lone dune]

I have 5090's lol but running 5120x1440p 32:9 takes a good hit

[lunar elm]

shinysnake s300 itx case and formdt1>

[crimson wigeon]

But it is fun to be able to stream the inevitable bluescreens

[sharp badger]

Just made some suggestion with mATX cases

[lone dune]

Yea lol basically i want to get high frames even at 5120 x1440 resolution on a ultra wide . But worry that streaming plus that resolution is just not gonna do it for me

[ashen spindle]

streams are mostly in 1080p anyway so the hardware encoder on the card isnt even doing much

[lunar elm]

get a 5090: problem solved

[lone dune]

I have lol

[ashen spindle]

nono, upgrade your 5090 to a pro 6000

[balmy vector]

this is true

[lunar elm]

then ur problem is already solved

[lunar elm]

nah 2x pro 6000s BW

[lone dune]

Lol

[lunar elm]

in fact, get a TR 9995WX on the way

with like 256 gigs of ram

[ashen spindle]

no those would be worse for gaming

the 6000 is actually doing more gaming performance xD

[lunar elm]

nuh uh

[lone dune]

Lmao funny that u say that because when i first started i throught about threadrippers

[lunar elm]

he needs allose cores

[steady sail]

the 9995WX would be even worse for gaming tho

[lone dune]

I have a 9980x for my VM pc

[lunar elm]

can someone take it as a joke

[steady sail]

no, if its a shit joke

[lunar elm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-with-tongue-cat-smiling-gif-11949735780193730026

[steady sail]

another shit gif that i would ban from the internet

[lunar elm]

https://tenor.com/view/siren-borzoi-siren-dog-alarm-dog-dog-with-siren-on-head-dog-with-siren-gif-9095359937690691350

[steady sail]

im just gonna spam report u

[lunar elm]

please wait trying to find correct gif

[lone dune]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[steady sail]

no

i hate shit gifs for no reason

grew up pls

[lunar elm]

https://tenor.com/view/but-here's-the-kicker-gundam-gundam-kicker-char-kick-but-here's-the-kicker-gundam-gif-1619466516142110117

ok but in all seriousness just stick to whatever u have theres like 0 performance drawbacks

[steady sail]

tbh its soo pointless streaming at 5120x1440p, as not a single streaming site can accept that

[gusty kiln]

@unkempt lake where you the one looking for a new wireless headphone?

https://youtu.be/jHrwxGrwMMU?si=O2N-uP9faTgCgnY2

[vapid ruin]

Having a secondary pc with a lot of storage just for storing clip/recording is really nice though.

[lunar elm]

actually even if the content itself is as stated 5k in UW, does it still get encoded to 4k?

[steady sail]

idk

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle do you think this is worth the risk to bid on

[ashen spindle]

no clue I dont really use HDDs anymore

[lone dune]

Not really streaming at 5120x1440p yes in full screen its 5120x1440 but in split screen is 2 2560×1440 lol

I am gonna upscale it to 4k

On secondary pc

[steady sail]

idk i never understood the upscaling shit

i dont even care about it

shit overpriced tech

[halcyon moss]

5400rpm

[lone dune]

Eh i feel like 4k has been out so long it just makes more sense than ever if u want the best visual quality

[analog sinew]

if only games were optimized

[lone dune]

Yea

[nimble arch]

They aren't?

[steady sail]

if u have the money for it sure and if game where would be great in performance

but everygame is shit

[lone dune]

Lol 4k Seige

[steady sail]

Seige is not a game that u play bc its looks good

[lone dune]

Eh siege looks nice with the new updates

Idk about that

[lunar elm]

seige is a game you play because you hate ur life fr

[steady sail]

its a comp fps game

i dont care about look in that game XD

[lone dune]

All the dark rooms and textures can look good

I mean not like adventure games but still lol

[lunar elm]

insert roblox counter strike>

[distant tapir]

I tried to do a flashback to the 3.10 bios which others have tried and had work but mine still fails at doing the flashback. The motherboard blinks green 7 times or so over a few seconds and then goes dark which it is not meant to do

So it's none of these

[plush stirrup]

Does it blink 7x if you just start it or?

[distant tapir]

I'll try that

[analog sinew]

can the mobo flashback without cpu?

[distant tapir]

There's no blinking when I turn it on

[plush stirrup]

Just a solid light?

[distant tapir]

No light at all

[plush stirrup]

Huh

[lone dune]

I always thought do a flash back with fat32 drive and u have to name the files correctly

So it can find the bios files

[distant tapir]

Yes I have done that

[plush stirrup]

Did you try without nvme already? And the different ram sticks?

[distant tapir]

Haven't tried the ram thing yet no. I'll give it a shot now

[lone dune]

Yea

Whenever theres a problem with a pc .I always find it to be a ram

[pale sigil]

For media

[plush stirrup]

I mean if nothing works, could mail asrock, likely they'll respond monday, they were very helpful/knowledgable for me

[fair gull]

i personally dont trust WD drives over 1tb

[plush stirrup]

Hdd's?

[fair gull]

the wd red callum linked yes

[plush stirrup]

I only buy them with warranty they've been fine so far

[fair gull]

personally a seagate fan

[lone dune]

Eh

I prefer samsung or wd

Seagate reminds me too much of hard drives

[fair gull]

samsung doesnt do harddisks do they

[plush stirrup]

Seagate has more failures though, no?

[lone dune]

They make them sata ssd

But no hd

[fair gull]

we are talking harddisk drives

especially high capacity NAS ones in this context

[lone dune]

Ah

[fair gull]

very specific models only afaik

their 24TB exos drives seem to be doing more than splendid

[lone dune]

I am thinking of setting up a nas soon

[fair gull]

they arent even too expensive at 400-450 eur or so

and 7200rpm

none of that 5400 bs

[lone dune]

Lol i dont really get the benefits of them though

Is it like u connect to the wifi and have instant access to files?

[fair gull]

its shared file storage outside of a specific pc which can be accessed via the network or USB

so in case of a house fire (and you also storing important files on the nas instead of the pc) you can grab just that and not care about the PC

an insurance can replace hardware but not the data on it

[lone dune]

Ah im gonna look more into it

[distant tapir]

My cpu looks fine

No burnmarks

[magic minnow]

Not enough time we need to crunch the numbers!

[unkempt lake]

Yes

Fractal makes headphones now???

[balmy vector]

just recently

[unkempt lake]

I love fractal products

[analog sinew]

i like their pc cases have no reason to think their headsets are good but just maybe

[unkempt lake]

Same

[balmy vector]

they also have that chair

[fathom venture]

Guys the side button on my superlight 2 doesn’t work anymore, it was working perfectly fine yesterday but when I connected it to my pc today, the right most side button stopped working for some reason, any suggestions?

[unkempt lake]

Warranty

[marsh glade]

Dali and Moumou both enjoy Fractal cases

Meshify C 🤝

[fathom venture]

I honestly need to check

[distant tapir]

I just saw something weird in my pc

[unkempt lake]

All my pcs are

[distant tapir]

One of the ram sticks did not have that lock mechanism fully in. I pushed it it and it snapped into place

Which makes no sense to me. Could it have gotten lose on its own or would it somehow have happened now while doing stuff with my pc

[unkempt lake]

Didn't we tell you to do that yesterday?

But uh

Does it boot now?

[analog sinew]

only scenario i can think of is it was sliiightly not quite socketed and one day decided to thermal expand the other way and popped out

like if the catch was on the edge and then the ramstick pushed itself out when it got hot

[distant tapir]

No

When I built the pc 10 months ago or something it didn't boot and I found out one of the ram sticks were not fully in. So they were both fully in after a fix

I'm guessing this one somehow came lose when I removed the cpu cooler

[unkempt lake]

That's more likely

Shit doesn't loosen on its own

[plush stirrup]

Did you test both of them on their own by now? Or both at the same time?

[distant tapir]

Both at the same time

[plush stirrup]

I would try them one by one, in the slot they're in (ignore recommeded slot, just in case)

[distant tapir]

Alright

[plush stirrup]

I've had one laptop which had issues when ram was in it, it had soldered ram and 1 slot, if ram was in that slot, even known working ram, it didn't work as expected. Quite... interesting

Nooo, is expensive!

I use firefox

:3 hungy fox

[rough patrol]

yeah you should do that

if that stops you from using chrome

[ashen spindle]

been using firefox and it always feels like theres a delay when opening youtube tabs, really annoying

[distant tapir]

Trying with one ram stick off. Nothing is happening

[plush stirrup]

Daaamn, only 40% of 16GB?

[distant tapir]

Will try with the other one

After that I'm giving up and returning the cpu

[plush stirrup]

Could still be motherboard though

[distant tapir]

I will be punished if I send in gear that works. They'll force me to pay for wasting their time. So it's risky anyway

[digital cliff]

I bet it's google purposefully making anything google run worse on firefox in particular

[pastel galleon]

google, being google, doing google things

[plush stirrup]

Did you buy them both at the same webshop?

[ashen spindle]

idk twitch also sometimes takes a bit to start the video so I'm inclined its firefox skill issue

[distant tapir]

Yes

[plush stirrup]

Just send both back and say one is broken, if they're going to punish you 🤣

[ashen spindle]

nope it it doesnt work for you it doesnt matter if it works for other combinations, there is no risk and they cant make you pay for it

[plush stirrup]

Depends, they can make them pay for shipping costs I think

Depends on webshop, here some you have to pay yourself to send it back, they'll refund if it is actually defective

I avoid those webshops, since they only refund cheapest non insured options, so if it gets lost you're responsible... if they give you a prepaid label and it gets lost they have to pay for it 🙂

[ashen spindle]

they would need to be able to proof that it works for you before they can get anything like making you pay for it

so they would need to like have someone appear at your place and try it and make it work lmao

[unkempt lake]

Some stores do have a restocking fee

[ashen spindle]

we're also in the EU

not NA stocking shenanigans

[distant tapir]

Proshop says this:
Complaints can only be made about goods that have an inherent weakness. If the submitted item is tested flawlessly or has been subjected to physical damage, such as impact, squeezing or moisture by the user, the right to complain lapses and you will be charged a test fee (*) for the examination / service and shipping.

[ashen spindle]

yeah they cant make you pay for it because they cant test it as flawless unless you send both board and cpu back

[unkempt lake]

If you claim its broken and its not yes some stores can chatge a restocking fee

[plush stirrup]

I mean you tried testing to best of your ability + no physical damage (I hope) you should be fine

[distant tapir]

No physical damage

I think I'll just send the cpu back, not the motherboard. Sounds more likely to be cpu issues to me

[plush stirrup]

I think proshop gets good reviews aswell so just ask them, they don't deliver to my country sadly 😭

[plush stirrup]

Could be, but isn't it a cheap motherboard aswell? I'd just mail asrock and proshop and ask them about it

Asrock will likely help you

[nimble arch]

Firefox isn't even a real improvement in 2025 IMHO

[unkempt lake]

I mean asrock is known to kill 9800x3d cpus xd

[unkempt lake]

That's where you're wrong their policy is to let the store or amd handle the dead cpu

Which angered a lot of people

The only thing asrock will replace is the motherboard if need be

[plush stirrup]

Asrock EU fixed my gpu, I mean unless the store refuses warranty like in my case the EU warranty rules say webshop has to deal with it, not asrock

[unkempt lake]

https://youtu.be/EpEJRa_Rxo0?si=D4ANH01lN08jDyHb

The section about warranty

[ashen spindle]

you do understand that GN is basically a US only channel

[plush stirrup]

I can only say they've been helpful for me, but I just meant they should ask what it means if the pc boots without led

[unkempt lake]

Reminds me

[plush stirrup]

Like asrock even paid shipping for me when the webshop was useless, and they replaced it twice because the first replacement had a bad fan controller, barely any questions asked the 2nd time

[unkempt lake]

@distant tapir check the cpu for burn marks

[plush stirrup]

They did

No burn marks

[distant tapir]

Tried the last ram. No difference

[unkempt lake]

Still asrock only has to service their own products

Doesn't matter what region we're talking about

You seem to think being in the EU is like a magic bullet against so many things when this was reported by both EU and US users

[plush stirrup]

Correct but they can tell them what the error code means, or additional things to try

[ashen spindle]

No I think it doesn’t matter what asrock or whoever say if stuff breaks you have a very easy refund option

[plush stirrup]

They don't have to refund only replace

[fair gull]

not in the eu? pretty sure eu law says you get a replacement or refund

[plush stirrup]

In my country one can get a refund but you have to prove the defect, intel degradation isn't considered enough for example, it might be enough in court but it'll cost more to figure that out and possibly fail

[ashen spindle]

Point is you get warranty to cover your issue very easily and doesn’t matter what anyone says who they want to deal with

[plush stirrup]

Hidden defects are refundable

[plush stirrup]

Well the only one you have to deal with is the webshop here, manufacturer might give troubleshooting steps though

[fair gull]

idk where you live but in the EU thats after 6 or 12months im not 100% sure rn

[reef patrol]

I think they adjusted it recently? But it was first six months, seller has to prove you blew it up, last 18 months, you have to (reasonably) argue the defect was there at time of purchase, and wasn't something you did.

[plush stirrup]

24monts where the webshop has to prove you caused the defect in my country

But hidden defects, the burden of proof is you

Source: ECC

In EU countries had to choose between 12 or 24 monts I think

And I live in Belgium

[pastel galleon]

beautiful shot 🙌

[fair gull]

hidden defect or not doesnt matter in eu law though

it just when you noticed the defect compared to when you bought it

and im pretty sure country laws cant loosen up EU laws just tighten them down

[plush stirrup]

Well it does here at least

[reef patrol]

It basically boils to that the shop either accepts your RMA claim - Or they claim you did something you shouldn't have because SEE DOCUMENTATION AND ARGUMENT HERE

In which case if it's beyond the first six months (here), then you have to argue that you did no such thing. And if you can't agree with them, you'll have to take it up in small claims court (usually consumer rights orgs have a service where you pay an amount upfront, and they will handle the entire thing and get your money and "deposit" back)

[plush stirrup]

But that's to end the purchase, you can do that for hidden defects, warranty doesn't make a distinction between hidden defects or not, but if you want to get a refund based on the hidden defect part of the law, you have to prove it. To just get it replaced you don't have to prove anything

[fair gull]

so the only thing i can find specifically mentioning the burden of proof being on the buyer is after 1 year

for up to one year following the purchase, the buyer would not need to prove that the good was faulty at the time of delivery (the burden of proof is reversed in favour of the consumer). For instance, currently, if a consumer discovers that a product he/she purchased more than six months ago is defective and asks the trader to repair or replace it, he/she may be asked to prove that this defect existed at the time of delivery. Under the proposed rules, throughout a one-year period, the consumer would be able to ask for a remedy without having to prove that the defect existed at the time of delivery.

[plush stirrup]

Burden of proof is 2y in Belgium

[fair gull]

this is from 2018

[plush stirrup]

AI is wrong about the 6 months but right about the other part

https://economie.fgov.be/en/themes/consumer-protection/guarantee/guarantee-act/hidden-defects

[fair gull]

it says those apply after the 2 years

[plush stirrup]

Not if you specifically want a refund

You can't demand a refund under warranty law, only under the hidden defect clause

[fair gull]

no you can definitely ask for reimbursment/refund under EU law

[plush stirrup]

X doubt, at least here you can't

[fair gull]

so belgium is breaking eu law?

[plush stirrup]

Unless ECCBelgium lied to me

[fair gull]

they even state that their old hidden defects rule gives you LESS options with only price reduction or refund available

aka it just strikes the repair/replacement options

thats the normal legal guarantee claims you can make in the EU

during the 2years

[plush stirrup]

"Note that the burden of proof for a hidden defect lies with the consumer, and that is why the statutory warranty is usually invoked during the warranty period. In that case, the seller must always find a solution (replacement or repair), and the burden of proof lies with the seller."

This is what I was told, so source is ECCBelgium

[distant tapir]

Which of these is the serial number

[nimble arch]

Looks like the third line next to the grid thingy

[distant tapir]

9MJ8716X40084?

[unkempt lake]

Even if you were right by EU law, good luck getting anything out of it

[ashen spindle]

wym, it gets send in under warranty and then you get a refund or replacement

[unkempt lake]

I'm saying the whole cost thing with proshop or whatever the fuck

You're literally gonna spend time/money more in court than it is to pay the damn thing lol

[ashen spindle]

??? wtf are you talking about

[unkempt lake]

#🔌│tech message

[ashen spindle]

yeah I read that nothing of that says you cant claim defects under warranty

thats boilerplater language

[plush stirrup]

I think they are in Norway even, unless I'm mistaken, and if my memory is correct they got some interesting warranties over there

I think it's like 4 years? Unless I've been dreaming

5years on pc components, so even more, lucky xD

[distant tapir]

I do have valid warranty for the cpu. It's not even a year since I bought it

[plush stirrup]

I mean they won't give you any trouble for it, I think

[reef patrol]

I'd put down 400DKK to have the consumer orgs handle the whole thing for me. And then get that back once Proshop loses in small claims court.

If they even bother going that far, instead of just admitting fault and paying the costs.

[unkempt lake]

Good luck getting a judgement enforced in another state

[reef patrol]

If I bought something in Germany, I'd obviously use German law, not Danish...

[plush stirrup]

for most webshops a well formulated mail is enough, they get scared of warranty laws 😛
Had it happen a few times, I even bought a cheap keyboard at one point and got blamed for their keycaps being shit (printscreen broke after a week or 2, I could count on one hand how many times I pressed that button), told them they're responsible for proving I broke it... got a new keyboard 🥲

[unkempt lake]

Also they will not handle the whole thing for you

[plush stirrup]

If you got it delivered to Denmark, you'd still use Danish laws.

[ashen spindle]

idk why you are acting like it would super common or even remotely likely that they refuse to honor warranty and that it would ever even come to the step of needing to involve a consuemr agency

[unkempt lake]

You will get help but you'll still have some work to do

[ashen spindle]

and no in denmark they basically do everything for you thats covered under their consumer protection

[unkempt lake]

nope

[reef patrol]

You basically don't need to do anything meaningful here.

[ashen spindle]

guess you know it better than mansen who lives there then..

[unkempt lake]

I'm literally married to a dane

[reef patrol]

I mean... same

[unkempt lake]

And from nico's experience they did not "do everything for him"

Lol

Shit's just greatly exagerated by mansen

[ashen spindle]

I’m more inclined to trust Manson who kinda works in the field

[unkempt lake]

Like yes you can get a lot of legal help for very little

And it's nice

[ashen spindle]

And even if he’s wrong it still doesn’t matter because it’s not even close to likely that it would go that far with pro shop refusing warranty

[unkempt lake]

But saying they "do everything" is misleading

[ashen spindle]

The amount I or anyone I know ever had to deal with shops refusing warranty are 0 here

[halcyon moss]

Ah we're on a technically again

[analog sinew]

its different for lesbians

[plush stirrup]

Are you also in denmark?

[unkempt lake]

[ashen spindle]

Like at worst maybe you need to write them an email saying it’s covered by warranty

[ashen spindle]

Germany

[plush stirrup]

Aha

[ashen spindle]

But we also have proshop as a web store that sells a lot

So more or less same rules apply

[plush stirrup]

I mean usually a firm mail tends to fix things with most places

[unkempt lake]

I'm just pointing out that it's exagerated xD

[ashen spindle]

Yeah and the firm email is like the thing you need in maybe 5% of cases

[plush stirrup]

I know NL also gets proshop but Belgium doesn't 😭
Maybe one day, can let it get delivered to family but ehh

[reef patrol]

When you complain
We handle all cases thoroughly and properly, and when you send a complaint to one of the boards at Nævnenes Hus, we'll keep you updated on how things are going.

A case worker at the Appeals Board will review the documents in your case and prepare it for processing. If any information is missing from your case, the case worker will contact you. Others besides the person who filed the complaint may also be asked to provide information for the case. Normally, all parties to a case will have the opportunity to comment on the information in the case before a decision is made.

When the case worker assesses that all the necessary information is available, the case worker prepares the case for a decision and writes a draft decision. As part of the preparation, the case worker will request your comments or those of others on the information in the case, if relevant. A decision is then made on the outcome of the case. When your complaint case is closed, you will receive a decision stating the outcome of the case and the reasons for it.*

[plush stirrup]

yep, I mostly order from amazon lately, since they don't complain at all if you have warranty issues
While I guess it's bad to use a big corporation, at least they won't give me warranty issues

[unkempt lake]

The problem isn't getting a judgement it's after

[reef patrol]

Playing with cats. I'll happily find and translate the "if they refuse to listen" portion as well afterwards.

[plush stirrup]

Meanwhile here we only have ECCBelgium which can help if the webshop is in another country, but they can only do advice 😭

And our consumer rights organisation scammed me once lol

[unkempt lake]

Nice car

@reef patrol the problem is jurisdiction tho

Like that decision you get its nice but its extremely difficult to make it enforcable to a company that operates outside of denmark

If your issue is with a danish company within denmark yeah ez pz

[ashen spindle]

he kinda mentioned that here already..

[reef patrol]

Why the fuck would I try and use Danish law, and a Danish only org to fight abroad? 😄

[unkempt lake]

But then you can't request help from that agency

[reef patrol]

No of course not. I don't pretend to know how XYZ country does it - never claimed to.

[plush stirrup]

they called me to get me back as customer, they said some bs told them what they wanted to hear, apparently the last few numbers of my bank acc was enough for them to set up automatic payments...

At first they refused to refund, but when I requested the recording they claimed and they sent it to me, in it they claimed 3x that it wasn't for a subscription. They quickly refunded me after I told them that... lol I think they claimed at first the recording contained nothing.

[plush stirrup]

Depends on how you bought it though, if the webshop shipped to Denmark, Danish warranty law applies.
Though in seems to suggest in store in Germany.

[reef patrol]

Within the EU? Yes... and no.

[plush stirrup]

No in which case?

Unless you have some laws that only apply to Danish companies, at least here, and I thought in EU, local laws apply, unaware of exceptions, but I haven't really needed to look deep into exceptions since I never ran into trouble that way yet

[reef patrol]

https://forbrug.dk/klagemuligheder-og-ankenaevn/klager-over-koeb-i-udlandet
Google translate this one. There are orgs that handle cross border purchases specifically - not all countries allow foreign ones to dictate in their state.

Cats played, fed and now snoozing
I'mma go play some choo choo tycoon.
Got an actual case for a DK purchase, feel free to poke me, and I'll happily reach out locally for assistance. Otherwise I think the topic's been debated to death - "it depends" and "good sellers usually don't try to fight warranty claims, unless there's clear evidence of user error at play" are the norm (here)

[plush stirrup]

this doesn't really show the no part though, if bought online you can complain is all it says.

[reef patrol]

If you shop online from another EU country, you can complain via the EUROPEAN COMPLAINTS SYSTEM

Different organisation.

[plush stirrup]

well yes, but I was moreso commenting on the law part, not organisation part

[reef patrol]

Law differs between countries.

The only thing that is truly dicated across the union is the base 2 year warranty - not what happens if a seller refuses to abide.

[plush stirrup]

But if shipped to denmark, danish laws apply within EU, though seller can still refuse, and if they do so it's difficult to get them to comply. I think the complaints platform is the same as ECCBelgium, if it is, they will just make suggestions, they can't force the webshop to do anything.

I would assume if they refuse you take them to court in Denmark for not following Danish laws, yet shipping to Denmark.

[plush stirrup]

I feel like eccbelgium changed their site, some google hits return 404 errors :c

[lunar elm]

is that a supercharged 4.5L V8 car

[mild dome]

I am thinking of getting a laptop with an AMD AI Max 385 or 395 (man that names is way too long), anyone know if I should consider anything before nabbing it

A complication of the laptop I am planning on, is that it needs a physical TPM, which is provided in a minority of laptops.

[reef patrol]

At 3AM it sure sounds and feels like it at times.

[nimble arch]

is that it needs a physical TPM
But why?

[lunar elm]

AI max 395+ aka strix halo/8060S igpu?

[nimble arch]

Even on desktop boards with TPM headers, you just use the firmware TPM instead.

[lunar elm]

I fugging want one :V

[nimble arch]

But why?

What's the actual reasoning?

[fair gull]

usually if a cpu has firmware tpm the mainboard often doesnt have a tpm header

[nimble arch]

MY X670E motherboard has a TPM header but the UEFI defaults to the fTPM on the CPU

[reef patrol]

Laptops, Johners, Laptops 😄

Having CPUs presoldered onto desktop motherboards is a lot more rare, outside of the specific segment.

[nimble arch]

Yeah but I was talking about desktop boards to begin with

You even replied to the message mentioning desktop boards

[umbral heron]

You are not supposed to solder them in?!

[fair gull]

so.... someone trying to get a laptop gets a response about desktop stuff

aka unrelated

[reef patrol]

I'm so confused 😄

Motherboards having TPM headers have nothing to do with the CPUs - cause they're not preinstalled, unless you're looking at those compact, factory/media style motherboards with low power laptop'ish preinstalled, soldered CPUs 😄

[fair gull]

The real question is what you mean by physical tpm. fTPM is also physical but in the CPU/APU and not a discrete chip. There would also be the question of why it needs to be discrete if thats what you mean with physical.

[nimble arch]

Swap the TPM module with every hardware ID ban?

[fair gull]

is it even part of the hardware id?

[nimble arch]

I don't know.

[umbral heron]

Every single hardware bit in your PC has HWID

[fair gull]

ye but the fun part is games and AC can pick and choose which is relevant for a HWID ban

[umbral heron]

I'd expect as much as they can scrape from PC
At least GPU, CPU and motherboard

[fair gull]

ive only ever tried circumventing forza horizon HWID bans and they banned storage HWID nothing else it seemed

[umbral heron]

Wouldn't expect much from Microsoft

[fair gull]

eh its sufficient imo

its hella impractical replacing all your storage disks just to cheat on a new forza account where you have to rebuy the game

and if you sell your pc (and most likely remove harddisks etc) the next person isnt caught up in your bs

and youd still be banned on your new pc if you take any drive with you

[mild dome]

Security requirement for the company I work at
they believe a firmware TPM is weak against software attacks

So yeah needs to be discrete

[ashen spindle]

Well uhh gl finding any that have it

Without the tpm requirement the best thing would be to wait for some cheaper models to appear, with it? See if you can find a model with it and hope it doesn’t explode the budget

[mild dome]

Sadly I believe anything that has a discrete tpm tends to cost more due to it being aimed at business needs
Well so far I know that: Elitebook, Zbooks, Thinkpads, Lattitudes, XPS, Surface For Business, and Framework have discrete tpms

[umbral heron]

But... it's the same thing, but in CPU instead of outside of it
Cybersecurity at your company has no idea how to security

[ashen spindle]

Well for stxh there’s only like a handful of laptops, and none of them are cheap or make sense for most people

So unless there’s a really good reason why you need stxh it’s probably better to look for something else

[mild dome]

I think that's the issue, supposedly a tpm inside the CPU is easier to hit with software attacks

And yeah, Mostly I think I want it because the required software at the company really DRAGS down performance. Like you can't even run a laptop with only 16GB of RAM due to all the security garbage and extensions, and scripts loaded up onto the laptop,

[umbral heron]

Aite, I have no idea what your cybersec team is smoking but sure as hell I want some
It's the exact same chip, just that it's soldered in CPU and not to motherboard

[ashen spindle]

I mean if the company software is so bad I’d not get stxh still just get some better laptop then xD stxh doesn’t provide the best performances for the price you can get it generally

[lyric hatch]

if they really cared about security they would just give you a laptop provided by them

[lone dune]

Word

[mild dome]

Not the same chip "soldered in", it's baked into the CPU architecture during design
Company I work at would know shit like this, and googling for an answer myself I keep getting "Firmware TPMs are vulnerable to firmware attacks, whilst discrete tpms are not" so I don't know what to tell you.

However the company is full of people jamming so much software into the laptops that people are coming back to me asking "Hey why does my brand new laptop run like shit after I open 2 chrome tabs, and zoom?" because they couldn't be assed to ask themselves "Should we make sure the standard i5 16GB laptop every employee gets can actually handle the dozen cyber security suites we plan on adding?"

But yeah, probably should just leave it. If the poor performance is hitting my productivity than I can just point out that everyone's suffering the same problems
(The hardware team pulled data showing that 90% of employees on the standard laptop were above 85% memory usage)

[ashen spindle]

If you want the best performance with bad software running get a desktop replacement with a desktop chip in it and 64gb or more ram

Probably costs less too lmao

[mild dome]

Know any with a discrete tpm?
Or should I get a laptop, cut out the bottom, and glue a mainboard to it like that one guy who made a portable Threadripper?

[ashen spindle]

No clue because there like no point to have it as a discrete thing for 99% if people but I guess they will still list it on the specs table

But the cheapest laptop with a 395 is like 2500€ and you can get better hardware for that price lol

[fair gull]

just to add my 2cents: dTPM is as vulnearable to software attacks. Just look at CVE-2023-1017 and CVE-2023-1018 as well as CVE-2025-49133 (all 3 are issues with the TCG reference implementation).

The dTPM still needs OS/Kernel drivers that talk to it from userland. dTPM is actually more vulnearable as you have direct access to data lines and can in theory spy on it and extract secrects that way.

[mild dome]

Yet it seems that multiple businesses trust a dTPM over a fTPM?

[ashen spindle]

Many things business do is because it looks good on paper not because it’s better

As for tpm I don’t know enough to have a strong opinion but I haven’t seen anything that points out a benefit for dTPM to me

[fair gull]

the only benefit of dTPM is you can upgrade it to new protocol versions which fTPM may not always be able to

for example if they do a tpm 3.0 spec

[mild dome]

after giving it a brief read CVE-2025-49133 seems to be a bad example, it's a vulnerability on VM TPMs that apparently talk to the system of tcp/ip protocol, the other two seem valid to me though

[fair gull]

CVE 2025 is also based on the ref implementation though

the point is... everyone uses the ref implementation to implement their drivers/fTPM

so dTPM or fTPM doesnt really matter for software exploitability

[ashen spindle]

So after checking with people that know a whole lot more, seems like fTPM has some more side channels it could be vulnerable to but at the same time also runs on the PSP so it’s harder to reverse it than a dedicated one and isn’t affected by cpu side channel effects so difference is kinda moot

So it runs either on the psp or through pluton on mobile chips probably

[reef patrol]

PSP Mentioned

[ashen spindle]

So really no point getting a dTPM anymore

But eh no point arguing with IT if that’s what they want

[fair gull]

imo they should still provide laptops if they have such specific requirements

[lunar elm]

tehc

[lunar elm]

or a list of vendors in the very least lmao

[ashen spindle]

Well it sounds like they are but the provided ones are shit lol thus the search for a better one

[lunar elm]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-stick-some-iron-up-your-mouth-and-pull-the-trigger-johnny-silverhand-gif-26931703

[mild dome]

They do provide laptops
They just perform like shit due to the issues I mentioned

[umbral heron]

Intune
Must be Intune
So much "security" I already know exactly how to exploit it however I want because I had to implement it at our company
Microsoft making another piece of crap, no surprise there

[raw zephyr]

LocoRoco and PATAPON <3

[pale sigil]

Gotta mine it first

[plush stirrup]

damn, my RAM has been stolen it seems like 😭 let's see how amazon deals with it. (claims to be delivered, nowhere to be found)

If I want to order it again, delivery will take a month 😢

[reef patrol]

Where on earth do you order from/to, to have to wait a MONTH for a package of electronics like that?

[umbral heron]

@astral haven @lyric hatch 18~50 on APS-C will be about 28~70 on FF? I can still cancel 18~50 and get Sigma 28~70 f2.8 full frame used for like half the price

Also I'm eyeing 70mm f/2.8 DG Macro

[plush stirrup]

Amazon

I had the last of their stock

even proshop only gets stock the 11th and I could get it there but would ship to a family member in NL since no proshop here

[reef patrol]

[plush stirrup]

Reichelt and such also claim limited stock they can ship within 1 - 2 workdays but no guarantees

seems like unless you want to pay 33% more there's no stock

[magic minnow]

Or....gacha pulls

[frozen ingot]

or you could withdraw the money and light them on fire

[umbral heron]

The day I start playing gacha you can assume I'm dead and being impersonated

[frozen ingot]

its basically the same thing

[plush stirrup]

😢

[reef patrol]

[plush stirrup]

they have at times messed our street name up though, so might go ask those people if they got anything just in case

luckily it was bought on amazon so they somehow don't complain to replace things at this value...

issue is my old ram was also going back as it's not compatible, now I'll have to mail amazon again for that since it won't fit in the return window they gave me (ends in 11days) 😭

[umbral heron]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9000-cpu-with-16-zen5-192mb-of-l3-cache-and-200w-reportedly-on-the-way

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-norman-osborn-surprised-you-cant-do-this-to-me-gif-24182893

[balmy vector]

[plush stirrup]

200W TDP, daaamn xD

[vapid ruin]

oh no, hopefully this is not them going intel

[magic minnow]

Is my 9800x3d obsolete now?

[nimble arch]

Yes

Now don't be a poor and upgrade

[vapid ruin]

waiting for am6

5700x3d is all I need for now

[nimble arch]

They better call the 192mb cache model the 9999X3D

[vapid ruin]

nah, 9995x3d

actually, seems like they could possibly bring a cheaper variant of 9800x3d too

$300-400 for a 4.5GHZ one should be nice

[lunar elm]

(1 day ago)

[lunar elm]

basically amd rn with l3 cache:

[marsh glade]

Yea but that's a screenshot from tomorrow

[lunar elm]

cant wait for my next dose of faster CPU only in lower graphical settings

[vapid ruin]

perfect CPU for a minecraft server

[astral haven]

1. that surprises me
2. they are similar if you have a full frame camera
   If you use 28-70 full frame on a apsc camera it is more zoomed in
   It turns into 42-105 which exists but I'm not sure its what you want

[lunar elm]

https://tenor.com/view/gundam-oo-trans-am-gif-23718087

same idea

[umbral heron]

Some guy is getting rid of his gear, tons of lenses and gear
So i should rather stick to APSC lenses?

[astral haven]

If you want 42-105 its cool but 42-105 isn't wide

[umbral heron]

It's very much not

[balmy vector]

Got recommended that yesterday lol, had a feeling id see something pop up here that would be funny and im glad it did

[astral haven]

You def should get ff if its cheaper but you should only get what you want

[umbral heron]

I meant half the price of new, between those 2 used ones there's like 100€ difference
Time to do some more reading

[astral haven]

Almost always want to go used for camera gear unless its a giga sale

[analog sinew]

used is ncie but dont get scammed

and ig check shutter count if buying body

grrr now i am thinking about cameras again

[astral haven]

Nah
Doesn't really matter for mirrorless
The shutter mechanisms keep working unless they are dropped or poked, they don't die from just being used unlike the old days

[marsh glade]

Tak existed before Youtube

[astral haven]

Are people who didn't exist before youtube allowed on the internet?

[frozen ingot]

my youtube account will be 20 years old next year

[astral haven]

Oh god 👴

[frozen ingot]

I was also 20 when I made it

[marsh glade]

Maybe it's time to revive the #archived_wooting_retirement_home

For those without omnipotence

Nope

Yet

The sands of time are not kind

[frozen ingot]

getting old mostly sucks but its better than dying young I guess

[astral haven]

Looks like mine is 2012
Very late to the YouTube train