#šŸ”Œā”‚tech

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nimble arch
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Errr, I guess a 9800X3D to keep AMD happy pepelaugh

sweet cairn
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Bit of a random question, having issues getting my PC to boot, any one can help me with a few inqueries?

old marlin
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šŸ‘¢

sweet cairn
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Lost power mid update, so boot drive is bricked and causing red and yellow lights on the mobo. Trying to boot from a USB to install windows but since the computer doesn't boot I can't boot from USB lol

lyric hatch
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Sounds like a clear CMOS angle

sweet cairn
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I don't know what that means/what to do about it

steady sail
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or if u have a button at the back of the board press that

sweet cairn
steady sail
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uhm shrug

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can u tell me ur mobo name ?

sweet cairn
steady sail
lyric hatch
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Yeah the flash bios button is for updating your bios from a usb

sweet cairn
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Aight ill give that a go

lyric hatch
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Clearing CMOS will restore your bios back to factory setting

steady sail
lyric hatch
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Hopefully allowing you to boot again

reef patrol
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Don't skip this step or you're achieving nothing.

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sweet cairn
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No luck, starting to worry a component is fried. Might need to get a professional to look at it.

fair gull
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or maybe your bios is bricked

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wouldnt put it past windows to now try and update random mobo bios

sweet cairn
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Honestly no clue what happened, really unfortunate timing with my power going out mid update.

unkempt lake
crisp granite
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every generation, Yeston makes a great card

unkempt lake
serene ruin
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Thanks a lot for letting me know about the adapter

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Yes my cable management is shit but idgaf. Only thing that truly bothered me was that horrific 12 pin to 3x8 pin adapter

unkempt lake
unkempt lake
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I like how you kept the fragile sticker on your glass

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Xd

serene ruin
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Haha yes

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I love peeling everything but that small sticker i let it slide

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The damn 12 pin adapter from nvidia was not easy to remove

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Im over here sweating making sure i dont break something. Had to use a flat heat screwdriver to push on the release pin because my fingers dont fit

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šŸ˜‚

halcyon moss
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@wheat plume the pixel 9 (non a) is almost the same price as a pixel 9a

magic minnow
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@modern sphinx

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magic minnow
leaden kiln
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bsb2 šŸ’”

magic minnow
leaden kiln
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the headset in the picture

modern sphinx
magic minnow
serene ruin
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Whats the best budget friendly vr headset these days?

modern sphinx
magic minnow
leaden kiln
balmy vector
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Yippe more lower cost oleds

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Inb4 im late on this and get ā™»ļø

cursive summit
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You do indeed appear to be the first one to post

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Discord search also, to my knowledge, searches embed titles so that's an easy way to figure out if you're the first to post it

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Hold on so what's the appeal with another QPX? The prices for that model, at least here and on amazon.com are normal for QD-OLED standards

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XG27ACDNG is cheaper and faster so.. idk. But I guess it's good to see more of them

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Obligatory microled when

devout raptor
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signalrgb is not fucking working properly

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why doesnt direct mode allow saving to device?

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wait it mitht be working now

devout raptor
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how does this curve look

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umbral heron
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I don't understand why you do all those things hanaSit
Just enable PBO and done duck_bopping

rough osprey
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we got pbo on da gpu now?

wheat plume
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ā‚¬749 vs ā‚¬559

rough osprey
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manual undervolting still offers good benefits

umbral heron
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Used to - like 10 years ago
Now it's better to leave it to the CPU to OC by itself

rough osprey
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we talking about gpu

balmy vector
rough osprey
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šŸ’€

umbral heron
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On Nvidia it's not that useful, on AMD it's quite good, yeah

lyric hatch
balmy vector
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A wise monk

lyric hatch
balmy vector
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Real

rough osprey
cursive summit
devout raptor
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it doesnt quite reach 3000mhz

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but the power draw reduced quite nicely

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memory clocks didnt work it caused artifacting

rough osprey
devout raptor
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1000mhz might work

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is it normal for an sn850x to run at 50Ā°c?

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the chips on the pcb were uneven height so my motherboard heatsink causes it to bend a bit so its not 100% tightened up

ashen spindle
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yeah thats totally fine

devout raptor
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if im up to it i might buy thermal pads and just apply two different thicknesses so its even

devout raptor
ashen spindle
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nand likes being hotter to some degree

devout raptor
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allright

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my pny drive is at 30Ā° usually

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is it worth it to change gpu thermal pads? I have a ventus card which is notoriously bad cooling wise

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it runs at around 65Ā° under load and 75Ā° memory

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the memory chips might have bad thermal pads

fair gull
mild dome
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I need to watch that video vid later, but I presume Nvidia is trying desperately to avoid taking ANY responsibility for the disaster that is 12VHP+++++ProMaxS_C#?

fair gull
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yes

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in the weirdest way possible

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tl;dr: best launch cause more cards sold than 40series, availability is low which drives price high but availability is high cause you can preorder(?), the melting thing is the cables/psus fault cause a proper cable CAN NOT melt because all pins are tied together on the pcb(wtf?)

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oh and 90% of people or smth are using RTX/DLSS which ofc isnt because its force enabled by default in the new nvidia app

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like they could have literally sent anyone else from the company and gotten the same or slightly better result of an interview

umbral heron
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Eh, why should they care, they make a ton of money out of selling shovels for datacenters in AI race, despite the fact that most companies has no idea what to do with AI except random chatbots neuroShrug

balmy vector
unkempt lake
mild dome
marsh glade
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Anymore?

mild dome
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Ok since the first bitcoin bubble

marsh glade
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Mate they haven't cared about gamers since the 20xx series

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Probably longer

mild dome
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I mean as a company they only ever really cared about their customers as a source of income, but prior to cryptocoins eating up all the supply those customers were gamers, and they were prioritised.

Shitcoins, and then AI have shifted focus away from the consumer

unkempt lake
reef patrol
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Silly bad videos*

fair gull
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also glad we havent moved forward as a society to remove the tracking part of links

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that should be the first thing AI gets used for and trained on

nimble arch
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Me manually scrubbing links of tracking shenanigans because they look untidy

fair gull
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also also c3po from that video just reminds me of jakob bienenhalm

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like you cant tell me the ai didnt steal from this guy and his coffee filter glasses

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ah better picture of the man himself

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candid bough
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Is it Nvidia who doesnā€™t care about their customers or the game makers?

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I would argue the game makers

ashen spindle
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show me a 2000$ game that anyone sells lol

candid bough
ashen spindle
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dunno never played any

candid bough
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Iā€™m sure many people here have spent $2000 on a single video game they play

ashen spindle
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dont think so lol

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and even if, not like thats necessary then still

candid bough
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GPUs are used for more than just loading new skins

ashen spindle
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the comparison just doesnt make sense, games sell skins so thats why nvidia is caring about gamers more?

sudden imp
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Plus they seem to be improving rapidly with their technology. So Iā€™m excited to see what they have in store.

candid bough
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I donā€™t think Nvidia is wrong for it though

ashen spindle
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what do gaming companies have to do with nvidia selling you a shit gpu generation at bad pricing?

candid bough
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Forcing everybody to scale up

ashen spindle
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I repeat, how does that have anything to do with the current generation of nvidia just being a clusterfuck of isses and bad prics and not even really performance changes compared to the last gen

marsh glade
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Uhm excuse me, the 5070 has 4090 performance for $549

balmy vector
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But it doesnt come with burger

analog sinew
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mmh

balmy vector
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For shame

candid bough
ashen spindle
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now you're just making things up lol

umbral heron
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Good Nvidia does KEKW

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The only good thing in their mind is creating value for shareholders

balmy vector
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I love money

vapid ruin
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with nvida comes AI... it's good for the people that profit from it I guess

ashen spindle
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and if you say the good they do outweights the bad... then you just admitted they dont care about customers or else there wouldnt be a need to make up for anything

candid bough
ashen spindle
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yeah but then you just agreed your point you made at the start was false and nvidia are to blame

umbral heron
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Leave multibillion corporation alone reeeee

candid bough
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Are we afraid they will repeat the same mistake over and over?

umbral heron
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No stock, inflated prices, no load balancing circuit on cards, broken drivers...

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They do repeat the same mistake over and over

ashen spindle
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because nvidia telling people its their fault or the cables fault when their cards are made so shit it causes burns, or is missing hardware parts, or is not sold at the advertisded prices because they want to look better in marketing without actually doing what they say

candid bough
ashen spindle
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your video game expereince is not dependent on them making the gpu cost something you can afford? and not burn down when its on? and has all the hardware you payed for?

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so if the next gen costs 30% more and instead of 0-10% you get 0% faster gaming thats still not changing your experience as a regular customer?

candid bough
ashen spindle
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im not talking about fully unlocked chips im talking about nvidia currently having tons of gpus that are missing advertised cores

candid bough
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This doesnā€™t mean I need to be mad at Nvidia

ashen spindle
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you can get a 5070ti thats literally 11% slower because its missing hardware

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how is that anyone but nvidias fault

candid bough
ashen spindle
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why are we now talking about stock price when your previous argument was its just about the video game experience

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also these things are not even related to the stock price dip lol

candid bough
analog sinew
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nvidia suck, modern games suck

ashen spindle
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okay so why cant it be both then?

analog sinew
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more news at 11

ashen spindle
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nobody said nvidia is so bad and games are perfect

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you just added that as an assumption

rough osprey
candid bough
# ashen spindle you just added that as an assumption

As a gamer, how could I possibly be mad at the company enabling us with the tools to be able to play said games.
The games are attention mining which is arguably way worse for everyone than the issues Nvidia has, from a gamers perspective

ashen spindle
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because its not the only company thats "enabling" gaming?

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The games are attention mining
what the fuck does that even mean

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and its not like the issues are wiht new games only, how is it the games fault that if I get a 50 series card now I cant even properly play older games with physx anymore because nvidia removed that, how is that the games fault now

steady sail
candid bough
ashen spindle
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yeah nvidia could make their drivers use a translation layer for 32bit ptx code

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but they dont care

analog sinew
candid bough
steady sail
candid bough
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But who am I to say you canā€™t be mad at Nvidia though, like if you focus your time on GPUs, I can see why the points youā€™re making are important

candid bough
steady sail
ashen spindle
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nvidia is selling you mor expensive hardware that its barely different from last gen with more issues, more driver issues than amd had in years, burning connectors and you talk about how its bad that games track daily active users

digital cliff
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one thing I can at least agree on, everyone can vote with their wallets and not buy the products if they wanted, additional enragement beyond that is kinda pointless in my opinion

ashen spindle
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even if all your points about game companies are correct, that changes absolutely nothing about how little nvidia currently cares about regular consumers

digital cliff
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long as people keep shoveling out cash for the products, they'll just keep making em, gasoline-coated connectors that spontaneously combust and all

candid bough
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Iā€™m over here trying to say you should be taking that anger elsewhere xd

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But right, who am I to say that to someone who focuses their time in this related market

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We need people like that in every corner of the gaming industry

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Ayooo chill

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My anger for video game companies is similar to your anger with these dang graphics cards , thatā€™s my argument I guess lol

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Iā€™m basically tried to sell you on different anger, weird

vapid ruin
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At least for games there's alternative, for GPU not soo much

steady sail
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i mean u dont have to spend money in games to somewhat enjoy them LUL

vapid ruin
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At least with nvidia gpu you own the copper that cools it.

digital cliff
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well yeah it's not stealing but it's tort

candid bough
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Games will use your attention as currency vs $$

steady sail
candid bough
steady sail
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idk i play games to turn off my brain after a day of work shrug

candid bough
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Regardless I just tried to sell anger, I need to think about that

vapid ruin
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It's fine, at least you realized the error of your way. Why don't you touch grass.

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Or just enjoy drink I guess.

candid bough
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Happy this did not blow up in my face XD

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A lot of my interactions are basically me putting two random wires together and seeing what happens

steady sail
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i mean neither Ngreedia and neither game creator companies are ur friends soo their is no point of defending either of them shrug

candid bough
balmy vector
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Balatro best friend

marsh pewter
vapid ruin
pure solar
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can wooting make these kinds of mice ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRbOHPWihbY

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gusty kiln
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wooting numpad waiting room

quiet crystal
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Is this normal?

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pure solar
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well they could diversification is key for a company's long-term success. At the same time, this kind of product is aligns with their vision of "challenging the industry."

reef patrol
quiet crystal
ashen spindle
quiet crystal
sudden imp
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The coolest mouse concept I saw recently was the orbit modulary mouse but besides that not real innovation or thinking outside th ebox

ashen spindle
quiet crystal
sudden imp
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True but still is different

ashen spindle
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ah you said 60he, then just make sure tachyon mode is on

reef patrol
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Polling*
You still need to enable Tachyon mode to get 8k SCANNING.

ashen spindle
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try different usb spots if it feels off, could be that you have it on the same usb hub as a mouse

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but otherwise there isnt really a way where they keyboard itself could have lower scanning/polling unless its set to lower settings in wootility

wild breach
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fn layers aint working for my multimedia tasking

pale sigil
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Casually playing halo 4 in 4k on my laptop apu at 50fps native

unkempt lake
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XD

pale sigil
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H4 doesn't run well on the deck either past 1080p

serene ruin
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Is dead space remastered optimized?

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Yo kingdom come deliverance 2 is a great game

unkempt lake
steady sail
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unplug and disassemble the keyboard and wait till it is dry

bright briar
unkempt lake
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The pcb i mean

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Buy new switches

fresh sundial
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Look for a switch upgrade jade pro , jade gaming or geon raw ?

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This is my first time modding do they come pre lubed I donā€™t know anything about lubing

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Okay thank you! I have seen people talk about geon raw over jades I guess Iā€™ll just order both lol to see which ones I like.

dull hollow
fresh sundial
serene ruin
plush stirrup
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Are geon raws lubed better than lekker v1.5's?

unkempt lake
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sorry

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Check in ur wooting rewards

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You may have a 20% coupon

dull hollow
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what tape did you useā€¦

unkempt lake
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no

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its what i suggested you do earlier

dull hollow
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really? that glue residue doesnā€™t seem like what making tape would leave

digital cliff
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cotton swabs are slow and paper disintegrates and cloth catches on sharp edges and soldered things, I'd probably get a toothbrush and dunk it into alcohol and brush the entire pcb with generous amounts of it

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or just pour enough of it into a tub and submerge the entire pcb dogenek

fathom venture
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is aula75 a good keyboard? does it have the socd feature? had some few extra ttc pom switches so thought of getting a 75% keyboard asw for gaming like wooting

winter patrol
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aula75 is a regular mx board

severe phoenix
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Get Dashi to pay for it

digital cliff
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you get what you pay for i feel

fathom venture
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nuphy75 he?

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rting says it better than the wooting80he?

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i got my 60he waiting for salvation to arrive so i wanted to get a 75% keyboard asw with socd feature any rec?

rough patrol
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If you already have a 60he on the way i wouldnt buy something else

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If you will only use it for a short time

unkempt lake
fathom venture
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i just wanted a 75% keyboard asw, which is as good as wooting, made a mistake by not selecting the 80he

unkempt lake
rough patrol
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I mean you could just get a 80he also but if you insist on different manufacturer thereā€˜s probably stuff out there

fathom venture
unkempt lake
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You can return it tho

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If you dont like it you might as well

rough patrol
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https://kbdfans.com/products/kbdfans-tiger-lite-gaming-keyboard-kit?variant=42892608864395 if ur ok with little/no warranty and self build

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unkempt lake
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Just return the 60

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And get an 80

fathom venture
unkempt lake
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Ebay?

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Facebook marketplace

fathom venture
unkempt lake
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You have the receipt you can show its practically brand new

unkempt lake
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And keep the 60he for gaming

fathom venture
unkempt lake
rough patrol
unkempt lake
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I was... very confused

rough patrol
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Also daily moumou pic pls

fathom venture
unkempt lake
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@rough patrol enjoy

rough patrol
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Holyyy silly moumou pic

unkempt lake
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Yes

rough patrol
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Thatā€˜s a good one

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Rare moumou pose

unkempt lake
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yes i have an old ps4 pro

fathom venture
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what the fuck is madlions 60he? wootings copycat??? what ? its says that on the website you sent @unkempt lake

unkempt lake
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Along with info on them

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it's ultra cheap chinesium yes

fathom venture
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looks exactly like wooting

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bahahahaha

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so is there no brand which really competes with wooting?

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razer? huntsman v3 mini

rough patrol
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Some have higher performance in some aspects but noone has a combination of software + hardware + warranty + long term support

unkempt lake
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Am going back to sleep

rough patrol
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Except for wooting ofc

fathom venture
winter patrol
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that list is pretty old at this point, lemme find a new one

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1st one is alux68

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rough patrol
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So many boards šŸ˜­

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And half of them probably suck and like 20% of those probably have malware on them

winter patrol
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most are oem stuff, and a few good gems

digital cliff
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it doesn't when you broke it lol

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warranty doesn't mean free parts when you poured coffee into it, it means free parts when you didn't pour coffee into it and it still breaks

reef patrol
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Instructions unclear, poured aged scotch into keyboard

analog sinew
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you did good i'm proud

somber coral
reef patrol
somber coral
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He says it happened like a few weeks later so

coral girder
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And theyā€™re like the same price

analog sinew
reef patrol
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Genuinely more than I paid for a scalped 3080.

analog sinew
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hella discount right htere

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hmm i should cancel my 5080 preorder

fathom venture
raw zephyr
digital cliff
analog sinew
coral girder
analog sinew
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so it would seem

coral girder
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wow those duolingo lessons actuslly paid off

analog sinew
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keeping the owl away šŸ¤ learning

devout raptor
analog sinew
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pelinƤyttƶ

devout raptor
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yes

crimson wigeon
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Indeed, that sure is one

devout raptor
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if they had this in the store near me i would go pick it up right now and return it if its bad

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oh

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all products are reserved

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well damm

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oh its a 15 product batch

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okay I got one

devout raptor
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i got the second last unit and it was stuck in someones cart so i had to spam refresh a bit

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now its sold out

balmy vector
devout raptor
balmy vector
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I like it

devout raptor
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I hope I like it too

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does it have a standard vesa mount i forgot to check

balmy vector
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Yeah it has vesa

devout raptor
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whats the shape?

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some monitors have some bullshit in the back that doesnt work with monitor mounts

balmy vector
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Its kinda weird, its like a disc bit you insert to the back of the monitor that turns it into a 100x100

devout raptor
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soo it works with monitor mounts?

balmy vector
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Yeah, hereā€™s how it looks from the back

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devout raptor
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okay good

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because

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I need new monitor mounts

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this one isnt usable anymore

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i had to bend it for it to work with this

analog sinew
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i want monitor mount too

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some1 got a recommendation for a dual height adjustable monitor arm? Probably gonna be a 27" and a smaller one

devout raptor
analog sinew
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i see

balmy vector
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Im getting a new monitor arm tomorrow, can show you how that looks

analog sinew
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https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07ZNGT8K4/?coliid=I1CK6QLSECXLPN&colid=CIJ3GYO0UPFF&psc=0&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_iti was looking at this now

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or the double option like wet tears said

balmy vector
analog sinew
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ye north bayou was the other one i saw

balmy vector
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Yeah hard to find decent stacked mount stuff for my purposes

devout raptor
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i want 2 arms so that my monitor arm doesnt hit my window during summer

analog sinew
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yeah i think i have some ideas now

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i also gotta settle on a monitor too heehee

balmy vector
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You getting a new monitor?

analog sinew
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yeah i kinda want one

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my AOC is a bit old now, about 6 years, so i think an upgrade is due. my secondary monitor is also old AF and getting issues so replacing that with the old main would be good

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and i kinda want a slightly bigger (27") Monitor

balmy vector
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You gonna go ips?

analog sinew
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yea

balmy vector
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Makes sense

analog sinew
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AOC Gaming Q27G3XMN is what I'm looking at

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180 Hz IPS is good enough for me

dull hollow
digital cliff
analog sinew
analog sinew
dull hollow
analog sinew
dull hollow
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but everything else looks identical

analog sinew
dull hollow
# analog sinew do you like it?

it was a little bit of a hassle to set up alone but it should be adjustable (based on how much you want it to move/ease of moving it)

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i dropped one of the arms on my desk and it has a tiny dent now duh

analog sinew
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oh wait we're talking arms lol

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i thought it was monitors

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haha

dull hollow
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xd

dull hollow
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im limited to where i can place the monitors and if i dont want a gap between my desk and the wall, i gotta have the arm in a very specific way

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(one landscape, one vertical)

analog sinew
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yeah it makes sense

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and if one breaks you can swap it easily

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or if you somehow only want 1 you can remove 1

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i'll go with the two single option

unkempt lake
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MINILED MINILED MINILED

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get miniled

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Miniled beet

umbral heron
analog sinew
vagrant vessel
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Uhm hello, how long does it take for the wooting support to answer anybody knows?

ashen spindle
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couple days usually, weekend doesnt count as its not a workday

plush stirrup
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Though I've surprisingly had them respond during the weekend at some point šŸ˜›

ashen spindle
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well timezones are a thing so it might not have been weekend for whoever replied to you or they had some flexible work hours

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but in general its more that if someone says 3 day response and you send it on friday, monday is not the 3rd day

plush stirrup
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Yeah possibly if they're somewhere in asia, not sure where support is located

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looking back at it it's not possible, timezone's don't go that far back/forward šŸ˜›

ashen spindle
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well its all around the world, some are in taiwan some in the netherlands etc.

plush stirrup
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21h UTC +1 (saturday) is saturday/sunday not a weekday, though I think in some countries they work on saturday but not on monday, if I'm not mistaken

reef patrol
#

We most certainly do not enjoy a six day work week. What a nightmare šŸ˜„

digital cliff
#

i recently had klarna support livechat with me on a sunday evening dogenek that was an odd experience

#

maybe it was already monday in whichever low-cost country they have outsourced their CS to

reef patrol
#

That sounds like a dream. Cause everyone knows Klarna is fully AI powered these days

digital cliff
#

dogenek well I did have to convince the chatgpt that my issue isn't one of the things it was thinking of

vagrant vessel
gusty kiln
#

@fickle ore AMD šŸ‘€

cursive summit
#

Wake me up when it's 300$

ashen spindle
cursive summit
#

Might be a dumb thing to say but I have a feeling Zen might be reaching its peak for now and will slow down

#

Such insane gains that we had since Zen 1 cannot just continue, we prolly will enter another Intel 2012-2019 era where it's just small iterative improvements

unkempt lake
#

Same way intel slowed down

#

Back then

cursive summit
#

I mean, it does seem like Nvidia is telling the truth

#

There's a limit we're approaching just how much performance we can squeeze out just from pure hardware improvements

unkempt lake
#

Hell i'd say zen 5 non x3d showed that

#

Things are slowing down

gentle osprey
ashen spindle
#

no zen5 showed the opposite in anything but gaming

cursive summit
#

Silicon improvements are slowing down, there's just so much you can do to optimize drivers and the "back end" of a graphics driver

#

Same thing with CPUs imo

#

AI seems like the next big thing

unkempt lake
ashen spindle
#

the improvements for things like javascript execution is a monstrous gain compared to anything else

cursive summit
#

Yeah those were pretty insane

pale sigil
#

Tempted as much as I don't want to go back to xiaomi

old marlin
#

cursed OS

#

so no

pale sigil
#

It's not that cursed

ashen spindle
#

hardware isnt really at a point that gains will slow down its just not the simple 2x clockspeed gains

cursive summit
#

Idk if I'd take Xiaomi's OS over Samsung's though, they are both pretty bad

cursive summit
#

That does not mean it's going to repeat again, and I severely doubt it will

ashen spindle
#

opengl speed up? that was the radeon driver fixes not cpu lol

lyric hatch
#

Terrible take, Samsung has the best android OS and anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't used it recently pepe_coffee

cursive summit
pale sigil
lyric hatch
#

Is good lock no the best thing to exist on android?

#

Literally the most customizable OS on android and it's not even close

cursive summit
#

It's the best OS to spend a couple of hours debloating that's for sure

lyric hatch
#

What bloat

pale sigil
#

Pixel

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Perfect ChefsKiss

#

The os I mean

cursive summit
pale sigil
#

But Sony is just using stock

#

Like pixel

cursive summit
#

That's the point

lyric hatch
cursive summit
#

Couldn't care less

#

Useless updates anyways

#

Oh can we interest you in our yearly new app skin? Or a new look of a widget you got used to but now it's different so you can go f yourself?

frozen ingot
#

security update lifespan is shit too

cursive summit
#

Android updates are so useless it's laughable

#

I don't care about security updates that much either tbf

lyric hatch
#

Neither does Sony havo

cursive summit
#

And that's why Sony is my best friend dogekek

frozen ingot
#

if it weren't for their garbage long term support I'd get one

cursive summit
#

I guess garbage long term support is exactly why I'll get one

#

Idk about them going from 4K screen to FHD, I get it, you don't need a 4K OLED on a phone, but FHD? Eh

frozen ingot
#

TIL vexx has a vulnerability kink

cursive summit
#

Eh, I only care about security where it matters

frozen ingot
#

have you seen the state of the internet the past like decade?

cursive summit
#

Yeah? And android updates are not what matters at all to me

frozen ingot
#

you go online with your android device, at least most people do

cursive summit
#

Well that's the funny thing, I kinda don't

#

I barely use my phone at all, defo not for scrolling random webpages that google props up that are definitely malware

#

Phone is mostly just for 2FA for me, and maybe camera app once in a while

frozen ingot
#

and you definitely want poor outdated security on your device that handles access to your sensitive data or accounts

cursive summit
#

So be it

unkempt lake
unkempt lake
#

that's... something alright

plush stirrup
#

I was going to make the 2FA point aswell untill I scrolled down, but not long after I realised I also don't keep my phone updated either... (mainly because samsung made the little sliding up buttons actual buttons, or gestures again... :c )

unkempt lake
#

vex what do you use to like look at your bank online

#

your not up to date windows pc?

#

xD

#

On a super out of date android phone?

cursive summit
#

I see virtually no need to get into this discussion considering all that will happen is people saying how wrong it is and I am not going to start caring about updates either, waste of time

unkempt lake
#

Not trying to give you shit for it

#

Also... what are you gonna do when the authenticator apps you use stop working because your android version is too old

#

Some banking apps do this too

#

I'm just trying to say you can't ignore updates forever lol

latent mural
#

Whatā€™s a good 75% keyboard under 100ā‚¬ that has the Iso nordic layout?

unkempt lake
#

And like when buying a device it's not something that can be dismissed fully

unkempt lake
lyric hatch
#

Especially considering the price of the Xperia phones

cursive summit
unkempt lake
#

Like.. i keep my devices long term

#

Last thing i want is to have the google play store be like

lyric hatch
#

Any way you look at it it's Sony skimping out on their flagship

unkempt lake
#

You can't install this app cuz your shtis old

cursive summit
#

That is not a Sony lel

pale sigil
#

Wrong pic

#

Xperia 1 VI

#

But it's quite out of my budget

#

And Xperia 10 VI

#

The 10 is quite cheap

cursive summit
#

10 is very meh

pale sigil
#

Cheap though

#

My 7a is dying

cursive summit
#

If you want a bang for the buck just get one of those new Poco X Pros

pale sigil
#

Not snapdragon

cursive summit
#

Cheap and very fast

pale sigil
#

And tbh if I got a Poco I may as well get the 15

#

Battery is nice

cursive summit
#

15.. iPhone?

pale sigil
#

Xiaomi 15

#

Not everyone wants to spend over a thousand XD

latent mural
pale sigil
#

I'm tempted to also just replace my pixels battery

#

But I'm running it in battery saver 24/7 šŸ˜­

magic minnow
pale sigil
#

I don't trust Google

#

My experience was awful

#

From day 1

nimble arch
lyric hatch
reef patrol
nimble arch
serene ruin
#

Ghost of Tsushima is a vibe

#

First time playing and using my new 5080. Runs amazing

reef patrol
#

It had damn well better.

serene ruin
#

Lol

nimble arch
#

Is there a good way to disable the RBG on a 4090 FE without having to run software 24/7? Iā€™ve never seen a toggle in the NVCP.

balmy vector
fickle ore
halcyon moss
wheat plume
#

Prettyyyyyy

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frozen ingot
wheat plume
#

It's slightly better than an rtx 4070 for gaming

frozen ingot
#

though they're not quite as bad with that as they used to be

wheat plume
#

And Facebook bloat

frozen ingot
#

why do phones have to be shit these days

#

or heck, tech in general

pale sigil
#

I need a new phone but I really don't wanna buy one

reef patrol
leaden kiln
frozen ingot
#

fucking chinese phones are more tempting now than going with any US tech giant

pale sigil
#

Guess I'm fixing my 7a lol

#

They finally removed it

vapid ruin
frozen ingot
#

they're making it marginally worse havo

vapid ruin
#

šŸ˜­

#

at least AI is getting better

pale sigil
#

I'll probably get this

#

Accu battery claims my battery health is 75-79%

marsh glade
ashen spindle
pale sigil
#

It's the battery I have issues with

lyric hatch
#

My battery replacement was going to cost too much and wouldn't be as water resistant anymore so I just upgraded

#

While the phone market has slowed down in terms of innovation there's still some nice things on the new phones, I just have a 4 year upgrade cycle that seems to grow every new phone

pale sigil
#

It's a pos

lyric hatch
#

Have seen some contrasting experiences with pixels ranging from no issues at all love it to this phone is unusable dogekek

frozen ingot
#

I've mostly avoided pixels on the basis that google are among the very worst in the industry on things like data privacy or consumer rights in general

#

or the fact that their search filters are used to skew public opinion affecting things like political elections

#

its still giving them money

#

not like there aren't dozens of alternatives to pixel with equally good or better hardware

#

also spending hundreds of moneys on new phone and first thing you have to do is install some dodgy third party os to use it be like

#

kind of, the dude behind it is a bit nutters

balmy vector
#

Darn hes not yummers

frozen ingot
#

that's not really a high bar to cross though

astral haven
#

As much as people malign Google, it's mostly their transparency and openness that allows you to peek behind the curtain more than at other companies, not any real difference in policy or action

unkempt lake
#

The creator of graphene is a nutjob tho

#

Corporation vs insanity

#

šŸ¤”

astral haven
#

They really arent

#

Google allows you to pay for the product. People just choose not to, and prefer to be the product

lyric hatch
#

Well Google still doesn't sell their phones in my region so it's a non option for me

#

anyway good lock, good pepe_coffee

#

The gesture options especially on a big phone are pretty sweet

frank flame
#

Question and idk if this is the place but if my tracking number thing has EU att the start of it does that mean its shipping to canada? cuz it better be

lyric hatch
frank flame
#

okay awessomer

#

im over tired and noticed the eu and then that instead of province it said state and yea l0l, tyty

magic minnow
#

Zen Browser added little media player so cool

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cursive summit
#

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wheat plume
# magic minnow https://i.gyazo.com/4c9ba74d3d7a5dd6a984de4ca91a99df.gif

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magic minnow
balmy vector
#

Everythings Alright

limpid pier
#

I don't know if this is really technical, but can anyone suggest some good cloth mouse pads? Preferably ones that can be bought in Europe/Germany.

bold coyote
limpid pier
#

Looks nice. What do you think? Control Pad or Speed Pad?

#

Depends on what I play I know, but for what games would you prefer which pad?

bold coyote
#

thats really personal so Im not sure. speed " Perfect for those who demand accuracy and stability in their gaming experience." control "Perfect for those who demand comfort with reliable performance."

#

so speed sounds for shooters etc.

limpid pier
#

Yeah seems like it, sounds nice thank you šŸ™‚

bold coyote
limpid pier
#

But I actually would like a bigger mouse pad where keyboard and mouse fits, but if this is the best choise I will consider to buy it šŸ˜„

bold coyote
#

oh so more a deskmat

limpid pier
#

Yeah cuz I got the white zinc and I want it to be fitting to the peripherals

sudden imp
#

So sad they did not release it

digital cliff
#

I know at least for the deskmats I've ever seen there's not even a mention of their performance characteristics since that's usually not the point, rather the design

limpid pier
severe phoenix
pale sigil
#

Does this have dram ThinkArt

ashen spindle
balmy vector
#

Dont forget PS5

pale sigil
#

Fite me

#

Think it'll be good as an OS drive?

#

It would be nice to just finally knock out the storage issues I have once and for all

#

I have a nas

#

It's games I struggle with.

#

XD

crimson wigeon
#

Sounds like a recipe for fun if you have multiple devices accessing that simultaneously.. unless of course you use one of those fancy filesystems made for that (if that is what they let one do..)

pale sigil
#

M80

#

I have a local server, all my user files are already on it.

#

It's really not XD

#

Normal files sure

#

Which again is what I do

#

Yes

#

Or map network drive

#

Either way I don't wanna run games on a HDD anyway XD

crimson wigeon
#

Yeah but they want to play these modern fuckhuge games that are like 150+ gigs each

#

You are not gonna play those using spinning rust

pale sigil
#

This also gives me an excuse to put my current 1tb nvme in my server.

#

Because running VMs off a HDD is poop

#

Especially a game panel

#

I would also rather just not fill my server up with games lol

#

I re used my nas drives haha

#

When I replace these I'll probably run 2x4TB or 4x4TB.

#

I'm hesitant to run 2x8tb

#

I would mirror them

#

Mirror?

#

Fair enough

umbral heron
#

JBOD hanaChu

pale sigil
#

Tbh I don't use much yet

#

Most I use is Plex but I still leech my friends.

umbral heron
#

I wanna move from 8+4 to 2x12 SilvervaleBoxs

pale sigil
#

I'm using a 10700 with 32gb ram as I kept running out of ram XD

pale sigil
#

It is

umbral heron
pale sigil
pale sigil
umbral heron
balmy vector
#

wish i could use av1 for my silly rhythm game clip uploads for discord pepehands

#

only somewhat does h265 if you have hardware accel on in my experience messing with it

plush stirrup
analog sinew
#

no

dull hollow
#

just barely for gta6

unkempt lake
gusty kiln
#

I'm thinking $299

unkempt lake
#

I have more hopes for this than the ice giant crap

#

At least noctua has a good history

#

And will be around for some time

reef patrol
unkempt lake
#

Unless my u12a magically stops working i'm not swapping it

digital cliff
#

but my 1000ā‚¬ invested in fittings!

reef patrol
#

Fleimi gets it. šŸ˜„

digital cliff
reef patrol
#

Sunk cost!

wheat plume
#

Oooooo Budgie desktop!

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reef patrol
#

Good heavens. Lanaposts are late today

grizzled night
#

Does the switch jig from wooting open up the POM switches or just the lekkers does anyone know or have tested?

digital cliff
#

it's a standard design

#

answer is therefore yes

unkempt lake
#

šŸ¤”

#

No sm_120

reef patrol
#

Which... which is?

ashen spindle
#

that reddit post is full of bullshit

candid bough
fickle ore
#

I really want a thermosiphon hehe

#

be 150ā‚¬ šŸ˜„

wheat plume
#

FINALLY

image.png
#

AMOLED theme on desktop discord

digital cliff
#

where my reverse amoled theme

#

the amogusled theme

wheat plume
#

Every time you talk to a MacOS person they wax lyrically about how the moment they switched to MacOS, it cured their hemorrhoids
Dawid - 2025

gusty kiln
#

Needs a hint of blue to really hurt the eyes

digital cliff
#

I want one with even purer white

gusty kiln
#

Just put a pixel matrix in front of the sun

cursive summit
#

A computerphile video and Jensen Huang on it?

#

I have not heard of computerphile for so many years

minor citrus
# wheat plume FINALLY

ugh, that update just appeared for me as well and on my monitor Dark and Onyx now show weird moving glitches pepe_cry I really need to replace my Samsung Q95A with something that doesn't bother me this much...

analog sinew
#

i do not want to hear jensens thoughts on it

wheat plume
#

huh??

analog sinew
#

AI AI the more you save uuh elephant on top of it runs crysis

#

man sounds like trump of the tech world

#

just buy an island with your fuckoff money

#

and be quiet

marsh pewter
bitter sphinx
#

is it normal that i can only up the pwoer limit by 10?

#

on a ASUS TUF RX 9070 XT OC 16GB card?

ashen spindle
#

unless you do shuntmodding yeah also undervolting will generally do more as wlel

bitter sphinx
#

good settings for quite a stable tuning preset, no?

ashen spindle
#

nobody knows, you need to test that yourself

#

any OC can be unstable depending on what you do

dull hollow
#

my cards TDP is 340w

bitter sphinx
#

how do i check what mine is at?

dull hollow
#

your manufacture should have it in their product listing

bitter sphinx
#

and holy this performance upgrade is soooo goooddd fr

dull hollow
#

so asus tuf's website

bitter sphinx
#

i used to have a RTX 2070 SUPER

dull hollow
bitter sphinx
#

core i7 9700k

dull hollow
#

i also had a 2070 super

bitter sphinx
#

old cpu

#

now i have a 9800X3D, 32gb ram DDR5

dull hollow
#

using a 7700x

#

x3d chips are quite expensive

bitter sphinx
#

ye

dull hollow
bitter sphinx
dull hollow
#

that -30% power limit undervolt was quite stable

bitter sphinx
#

thats the default TDP isnt it

#

not the OC?

dull hollow
#

i mean you can monitor your gpu power draw during gpu stress tests

#

to verify if youre looking at the right one

#

at 0% power limit

dull hollow
#

thats strange tho

#

OC card at the default tdp

thick elk
#

The headache is on all but the left.
Will say though that the new theme does look better.

bitter sphinx
#

i dont think its true

ashen spindle
#

techpowerup often has false listings I wouldnt take it as total certain numbers

dull hollow
#

thats odd

#

asus donest have the tdp/power draw of the card

bitter sphinx
#

ye hmm

bitter sphinx
thick elk
#

AMD on its own site claims 315w sapphire on the nitro+ claims 330w, so it depends.

bitter sphinx
#

it never went up beyond 250w

#

but it only did small bursts of 100% usage, for a second each

dull hollow
#

you mean on adrenaline?

bitter sphinx
#

ye

dull hollow
#

its not that good

#

use 3dmark

bitter sphinx
#

what benchmarking tool do i use

#

ok

#

is furmark sufficient?

#

just want smth quick to install

dull hollow
#

yeah

unkempt lake
# dull hollow use 3dmark

3dmark is fine for an easy test but the only way to check the stability of an undervolt isnto actually play games

dull hollow
thick elk
#

Furmark may throttle bellow the tdp limit otherwise

unkempt lake
thick elk
#

just a gpu-bound game often a good test.

dull hollow
unkempt lake
#

Oh

#

Anything works for that lol

dull hollow
#

amds own benchmark isnt exactly the best

bitter sphinx
#

wtf

#

is that bad lmao

thick elk
#

Not really

bitter sphinx
#

how

#

isnt it 340w for the OC version normally

#

idm as long as its around 340

#

as long as it doesnt go to 304 which is the non OC version tdp

dull hollow
bitter sphinx
#

idm

dull hollow
#

my 9070xt goes up to 370 with +10%

bitter sphinx
#

ASUS TUF RX 9070 XT OC

#

i'm happy eitherway

dull hollow
#

i dont think any 9070 xt can hit over 400w

bitter sphinx
unkempt lake
#

Depends on the aib

bitter sphinx
#

i'm so happy with my purchase fr

dull hollow
#

most come either 304/340w from the factories non-oc or oc

bitter sphinx
#

xd

#

bro my old 2070 super used to hit 80c

#

and i did clean out the fans all the time

dull hollow
#

easily doubled the performance

bitter sphinx
#

triped for me in some games

unkempt lake
dull hollow
bitter sphinx
#

i played FiveM, i used to get 40-60fps in a server where there are a lot of players and custom buildings in it

#

now i get 150fps standing the same spot

#

same settings etc

bitter sphinx
dull hollow
#

i had the 7700x while using the 2070s and switching in just the gpu makes it a direct comparison

dull hollow
#

i did my cpu upgrade last year

bitter sphinx
#

I got a prebuilt because its a lot cheaper to get the 9070 XT in a prebuilt than building it yourself rn

#

for me atleast

dull hollow
#

i got it at launch for 760 usd

#

i didnt see any asus cards tho

bright briar
#

discord update is fire

dull hollow
reef patrol
#

The new UI is genuinely terrible.

#

I either pick the old default theme, which is now somehow lighter and more desaturated, or I go one tone DARKER than before, which looks way too contrasty.

#

And there's some weird kind of alialising being applied on top of it.

#

I can SEE it refresh the window and change, blurring text.

unkempt lake
#

I think it makes the text less easily readable at a glance

#

I'm used to just moving my eye sideways and reading discord without moving my head

#

On my 49 inch screen

#

I feel like the new antialiasing forces me to focus more where as before i could just kinda glance from the corner

#

Or maybe im just crazy

reef patrol
#

I genuinely can't look at the app on desktop. It's hurting my eyes

unkempt lake
#

Like i can still do the whole move my eye and glance but

#

Text is ever so slightly darker than before

#

And doesn't look as sharp

reef patrol
unkempt lake
#

I just tend to do this

#

With my monitor

#

So them making discord text ever so slightly darker it makes side glancing more difficult

minor citrus
#

I'd love to know what causes my monitor to do these artifacts on some black surfaces šŸ¤”

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reef patrol
#

You're likely going to see some weirdness with red as well.

unkempt lake
#

Instead of his cable

reef patrol
#

I didn't ask them to change anything. I was just pointing out what's probably the cause.

unkempt lake
#

Guy has a 5070 ti

#

Or a 4070 ti

reef patrol
#

I had this issue on my Lenovo monitor for a year. Got three replacements.
The monitor would randomly not support full 10bit, and would compress 444 to 442? I think it is.

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#

So reds would look wonky.

minor citrus
#

Interesting, I just toggled around a bunch of things and noticed. If I enable HDR it does in fact not do this šŸ¤”

unkempt lake
#

What kind of tv is it

minor citrus
#

Samsung Q95A

unkempt lake
#

Was i confusing you with another person

#

You have a 4070 ti i think right?

minor citrus
#

Nope, running it on a Mac mini M2 Pro šŸ˜„ (or a 6900 XT on windows)

unkempt lake
#

Ok yeah i confused you with someone else

#

@minor citrus

#

if you wanna try adjusting it

#

settings-display

minor citrus
# unkempt lake

yeah, that is indeed what I have configured on windows as well and as it seems I have misremembered, it is working fine there. So it seems to be a macOS problem only SwitchyDead

proud sun
#

Can someone help me real quick

#

My wooting was up dating and now the Buttons e and r are Red and nothing works

lyric hatch
proud sun
#

It's reconnected

sudden imp
#

OH GOD DISCORD CHANGED EVERYTHING

proud sun
#

But I still cant use..

#

Works now after pc restart

#

Cheers

analog sinew
#

gamingg

#

in fact i ordered my new shit just a few hours ago

balmy vector
analog sinew
#

will have it by weekend i hope

balmy vector
#

hope it looks good good

bitter sphinx
balmy vector
#

speeeed

pale sigil
#

How long do we think she has left

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reef patrol
#

A decade?

pale sigil
#

Jesus this one went down % fast

reef patrol
unkempt lake
#

2014 sandisk go brrr

bright briar
#

discord square shaped

pale sigil
bitter sphinx
#

brooo the 9070 XT has SO much undervolting peformance

#

i am playing GTAV Enhanced on 1440p, with a -85 undervolt, i went from 80fps to 120fps

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max settings, Ultra Raytracing

unkempt lake
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is it actually stable in other games tho

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Xddddddd

bitter sphinx
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idk i just adjust it per game

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i play

unkempt lake
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Usually its in light loads where you'll have issues

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Not heavy ones or rt ones

bitter sphinx
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I used to watch every single GTAV Enhanced benchmark i could find online while waiting for my pc to come

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and the max FPS they achieved was always 85fps at 1440p max raytracing

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now im getting 120 with undervolting, its cool asf

pale sigil
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Dashi forced me

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unkempt lake
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I JUST SUGGESTED

pale sigil
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She also said I don't need a 9070xt

unkempt lake
covert ravine
bitter sphinx
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idk i dont own a 4070

unkempt lake
covert ravine
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There's no 4070 on there, just super/ti/tisuper

unkempt lake
covert ravine
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šŸ˜”

unkempt lake
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you're just blind

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bottom of the list

covert ravine
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Oh I am true

unkempt lake
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sent you 4k and 1440p numbers

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ur welcome

covert ravine
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Thank you

wild coyote
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hm

charred nexus
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chat i just found out that 7800XT have problem with Cyberpunk 2077 with RT on, driver timeout everytime i ran it with RT on

pale sigil
analog sinew
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I LOVE DEAD SPACE ITS THE BEST

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seriously what is the point

pale sigil
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Ye....

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umbral heron
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Because those are charts for normal people with reasonable budget for PC hanaSusSips

marsh glade
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If it's got the 5070 then that's the same thing, right? Jensen promised me it would be the same. SwitchyHeHe

rough osprey
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5080fe at msrp aga

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(time to resell)

umbral heron
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Today's mood:

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i just used chatgpt for a job application

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i love AI now thanks jensen

old marlin
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perish

umbral heron
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Did you used AI to generate your CV and photo too? hanaSit

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umbral heron
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Oooh, which photo did you use? duck_bopping

old marlin
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one might say

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the photos are in

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umbral heron
marsh glade
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umbral heron
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No -
If it reads like AI slop it'll pre-approved by AI which sorts applications, will be sent to HR and then get read and ignored hana_Yes

devout raptor
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ai versus corporate talk arent very different

umbral heron
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AI makes way more sense
For example - no one still knows at all what exactly Salesforce does hanaSit

candid bough
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The people who have no need for it will brush it off like itā€™s bad

marsh glade
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As someone who has reviewed a hundreds of applications for both Wooting and previous roles, it is extremely easy to see which persons are implementing a "shotgun" approach to applying for "any job" versus a candidate who is applying to a specific job or company.

candid bough
marsh glade
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That's true