It's missing some hardware features
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bright briar
how is that game? I heard good reviews about it
bright briar
It's missing some hardware features
does the switch 2 not have that?
old marlin
Afaik no
Instead you have 2 mouse sensors
Which technically are extremely low res ir cameras ig
balmy vector
how is that game? I heard good reviews about it
Good game but tutorials suck, chuggaaconroy has videos for explaining the game far better than the game itself ever could
bright briar
It's missing some hardware features
i thought they did mb
bright briar
hopefully those magnets hold up their controllers
old marlin
There is prob another locking sysytem
If i were to take a guess
Considering the straps attach the same way
vapid ruin
mmm, wishing for Mario Paint 2
cursive summit
It's time!
rough osprey
why no higher tier option :/
bright briar
nani
cursive summit
RT, doesn't matter
rough osprey
RT is important
cursive summit
Everyone are getting different results lel
Someone else this morning had it match XTX in Rivals
sudden imp
I hope AMD can gain some market share this gen and crank out some absolute halo products next gen
cursive summit
analog sinew
one would hope
cursive summit
I mean, TPU seems to be more into it behaving like XTX (the Nitro+)
Which I was expecting
I think still what warms my heart is that the RTX 5070 is getting clubbed into oblivion how shit that card is
How are people even measuring Elden Ring FPS, isn't that 60 FPS locked 
Holy shit it really beats out 6800XT in value
Which was itself an incredible value card
Checking for RTX 50 series.. oh, it's down at the bottom
B580s? They are available
Mmmm.. not here in baltics
Ah, aussieland, yeah that's just skill issue
Spider issue more like 
Holy moly these are incredible fans on the Nitro+
26.5 dba under load???
That's inaudible
rough osprey
just gotta improve efficiency now and offer a high tier option
cursive summit
I mean, these cards sip power, but damn they are quite cool
55-60 GPU pretty good, hotspot 80 not bad, good VRAM too
reef patrol
It finally happened. Youtube managed to make the comment system completely unwieldy.
Can't disable these constant notifications without disabling notifications about replies at all. Which just adds onto the existing issue of not being able to mute a comment thread, only notifications completely 😄
cursive summit
Tbf I hate youtube reviews a little bit
Nobody ever actually benchmarks games I play
But I guess it's relative
Yeah that's not happening, I'd rather take than give
And if I have the card I don't need to look up online benchmarks so
rough osprey
not good in cs2 and valorant it seems
cursive summit
Doesn't really matter, in those games the FPS is in high hundreds
And mostly just CPU bound
How dare you shame them, they can't play with their 560Hz monitor, it only pulls 500 FPS!
whole axle
cursive summit
DLSS for me at this point is pretty incredible
whole axle
This is insane no?
rough osprey
Bo6 has it
whole axle
Where tf did you get these slides from
Hardware unboxed
cursive summit
That's just not happening
rough osprey
is that max settings or sum
whole axle
Here
cursive summit
Those are not HUB slides lol
cursive summit
This slide screams fake to me
latent mural
the new update bricked my keyboard a couple weeks ago. was there any fix for this?
whole axle
cursive summit
Igor also found it close to XTX huh
cursive summit
Yeah I don't know what's happening with some reviews finding it close to XT, others closer to XTX
cursive summit
XDA also has a review out, pretty good https://www.xda-developers.com/amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-review/
whole axle
Endgame gear server talking about it
cursive summit
The fortnite slide isn't a slide style I even recognize
whole axle
I’m just the messenger don’t kill me guys 
cursive summit
And those numbers are weird so yeah I'm not taking that for franted at all
So hold on, FSR4 is DOUBLING frames with native image quality?
How the fuck does that work
I've seen some footage of FSR4 running, it looks really good
whole axle
Ok I just looked
cursive summit
But DOUBLE? Is it a frame generator - upscaler?
cursive summit
The results in SMITE were nothing short of astounding, going from 150 FPS at native 4K to a whopping 398 with FSR 4
balmy vector
> The results in SMITE were nothing short of astounding, going from 150 FPS at n...
which smite 
rough osprey
So hold on, FSR4 is DOUBLING frames with native image quality?
lol
whole axle
Ye no doubt. I do like having fsr4 tho. Since i will be getting the 9070xt. Unless im wrong and it’s coming to the 7000 series?
cursive summit
I need that GN FSR4 image quality video right now, we need to get to the bottom of this 
How's it more than doubling frames
whole axle
Gotcha
Well it has to do with them going to a hardware based and not software right?
Or sum like that
rough osprey
Have there been any updates on Reflex 2
analog sinew
pls gibbe
rough osprey
or did they forget
balmy vector
prolly just waiting
ashen spindle
Lower precision data types that make calculations much faster than rdna3 could do it
rough osprey
yes the second version of it
whole axle
Nvidia cheatlex
rough osprey
which got announced with the 50 cards
ashen spindle
Yeah but it would be in all rdna3 cards if they port it
N31 doesn’t have hardware that n32 is missing
Nah they would make it work on all you just would end up with cars where due to lower performance or vram it wouldn’t make much if any of a benefit
But functionally they are all the same
whole axle
Can anyone explain why the nitro + is so much better than other models?
Even tho some others clock higher
analog sinew
sapphire black magic
whole axle
I’ve always gone xfx but guess I’m gonna switch
cursive summit
What is going on with AMD and somehow making Minecraft run faster?
First CPUs, now GPUs
Someone at AMD loves minecraft
ashen spindle
Also the xtx doesn’t have an npu or anything, all the matrix capabilities are inside a compute unit so if a xtx can do something, the gre can do it too
whole axle
Red devil looks pretty good tho
ashen spindle
Nope all part of the same CU
cursive summit
So, what I'm noticing is that people love how quiet the cards are
Supposedly you can't even hear them under load which is nuts
But guru is saying there's noticeable coil whine
Kinda disappointing, coil whine is very irritating
Could be that it's just their particular model
Guru also did some tweaking and they found virtually no gains (+4% max)
But they mostly OC'd I didn't see any undervolting
analog sinew
it begs for mercy from whatever hellish shit it has to display
cursive summit
The only part that's sad is that the Nitro+ is 760$ from what I saw?
Big price premium, sad
It does 26 dba under load, that's not even a good cooler, that's an incredible cooler
balmy vector
blowing on that thang
cursive summit
25 dbA is like what, whispering?
I ain't gonna hear that in a case, especially with headphones on
Tbf 7900 GRE was also very quiet from my experience
Idk what's happened with fan technology becoming incredible, things don't run hot, and things run very quiet
Though if AMD can run quite cool but also still sip 330W, something makes me think 1) They can push higher 2) They really need to optimize their TDP
Very inefficient in power efficiency
cursive summit
Tbf this is rather incredible that AMD can somewhat match XTX with 2/3 smaller die area
AMD really had some good headroom for a bigger card huh?
balmy vector
already got a friend thats gonna go team red with the xt
2060 to 9070xt huge jump
unless your frog who is green
red frog will however have red brain
cursive summit
2060 to 9070xt huge jump
Yeah my card is also around 2060 perf, maybe even a bit slower
9070XT is a gigantic leap in perf, not to mention relatively affordable lel
balmy vector
then you have red brain in green skin
hasty surge
I need the benchmarks for 9070xt
raw zephyr
god bless everyone using amd gpu on windows
hasty surge
Where can I find it?
balmy vector
scroll up
raw zephyr
recently i was dealing with random driver timeouts in counter strike 2 on the xtx, seems like 8x msaa was the issue... who would've thought
hasty surge
But people say amd drivers suck? With every update they pray their pc doesn’t die??? And I saw people saying they’re just coping with what they bought?
reef patrol
hasty surge
Saw a lot of reviews saying that
cursive summit
I swear to god this fella is trolling and I'm blocking them
hasty surge
No I’m not bro
balmy vector
i mean nvidia just had some also terrible driver issues just this recent
cursive summit
I've just read/watched like 5-6 and I could not remember a single comment on drivers
hasty surge
I was talking about amd drivers as a whole
cursive summit
They are fine
reef patrol
I swear to god this fella is trolling and I'm blocking them
It's not an airport lounge. You do in fact not have to announce your departures or intent to block someone. Just... block (or ignore) them.
cursive summit
Nvidia has its own problems
raw zephyr
the only thing i truly miss from nvidia is nvenc and nvidia reflex, although amd antilag is getting more popular recently
hasty surge
Saw a few reels saying that too
Ok then amd it is
It’s budget friendly right?
Where can I get them
Without them being overpriced
This is my first build😅
So no
reef patrol
I'm mostly playing 2D games atm, so my 3080 is plenty fine. If it were to suddenly die though, those AMD cards do look very tempting. I'll miss DLSS though.
raw zephyr
yes, that's the only encoder that's on par with nvidia, but nvenc just does it faster and more efficiently
hasty surge
I'm mostly playing 2D games atm, so my 3080 is plenty fine. If it were to sudden...
Cemal said I need to turn off dlss during valo? Why?
Brick said the same too I think
reef patrol
DLSS gives you slightly worse image quality in exchange for more FPS.
raw zephyr
I'm mostly playing 2D games atm, so my 3080 is plenty fine. If it were to sudden...
you should get fsr 4 with the new cards 😅
hasty surge
DLSS gives you slightly worse image quality in exchange for more FPS.
Is it great while running single player games?
reef patrol
you should get fsr 4 with the new cards 😅
Not supported by all games I believe? Unless modders can replace DLSS with FSR somehow 😄
cursive summit
DLSS gives you slightly worse image quality in exchange for more FPS.
Unless it's DLAA which is kinda incredible
mint nebula
is there a way to keybind to switch keyboard profiles ?
cursive summit
I far prefer DLAA to native it's not even funny
balmy vector
dlaa gud
hasty surge
Does dlss work on games like red redemption gow and the games like these?
balmy vector
transformer quality is also gud
raw zephyr
same, even quality preset looks terrible to me
reef patrol
I am forever cursed with 21:9 1440P. It's just a bit too demanding for a stable FPS without some upscaling in some games.
cursive summit
Cursed? 1440p is great
balmy vector
I am forever cursed with 21:9 1440P. It's just a bit too demanding for a stable ...
the ultrawide curse
cursive summit
Except that 21:9 part, 16:9 is the best
reef patrol
I like wide.
cursive summit
Girth is all that matters
balmy vector
hes talking about these, just build your own
hasty surge
I’m about to build my own
But can I just use the specs he used here
For single player games at like 100 FPS and valo at 400+ fps
People advised me not to get 4k
distant tapir
But people say amd drivers suck? With every update they pray their pc doesn’t di...
I also don't like how often AMD seems to have issues. A game I like is having issues with AMD drivers currently not present with NVIDIA ONes
hasty surge
I also don't like how often AMD seems to have issues. A game I like is having is...
Thoughts guys?
Yeah
M10 inzone?
Is that good?
The difference between 4k and 1440p is almost negligible right?
balmy vector
he means the sony 27in oled, its bad
hasty surge
That’s a monitor?
hasty surge
he means the sony 27in oled, its bad
Huh? People said that’s the endgame?
distant tapir
The difference between 4k and 1440p is almost negligible right?
It's very big to me. Viewing distance dependent of course
hasty surge
Yeah but realistically 240 vs 480 I won’t even feel a thing
hasty surge
It's very big to me. Viewing distance dependent of course
4K is that good?
What gpu are you running
distant tapir
4K is that good?
Yes
For singleplayer games I wouldn't recommend anything below 4k aside from budget reasons
Upscaling killed most reasons to not just use a 4k display for singleplayer games
hasty surge
I play comp on my i7 7th gen laptop with integrated graphic card on 60 fps
So I’m not used to single player games
But I think I’ll mostly play comp games
balmy vector
Huh? People said that’s the endgame?
cursive summit
Holy shit I've noticed this in some games https://youtu.be/nzomNQaPFSk?t=161
(timestamped)
That looks a LOT better
balmy vector
That looks a LOT better
yeah this is a huge improvement, good to see
cursive summit
Yeah there's so much less blur, much more sharpening
I kinda like.. a little bit overshapened stuff
balmy vector
mhm very good stuff
rough osprey
https://youtu.be/6tJ88K4mNnc?si=7ScfZhzpHZZSmFdf&t=637
no one implementing a full dp2.1 is kinda funny
maybe samsung does it with their 500hz oled
cursive summit
Hold on is FSR4 a CNN model or a Transformer model
Cause it seems to look better than the CNN model
I dunno, but it's defo better than NV's CNN
Impressive stuff
balmy vector
yeah better than dlss cnn but a lil worse than dlss transformer
cursive summit
Transformer has its own problems
balmy vector
ye
cursive summit
Iirc Transformer likes still environments
But if it's motion based, it starts to fuck up hard
I'm not a big fan of the artifacts though
So I'd prolly run a CNN model
digital cliff
For singleplayer games I wouldn't recommend anything below 4k aside from budget ...
hit the nail on the head there, would probably be on 4k if not for the monitors costing so much money
balmy vector
hit the nail on the head there, would probably be on 4k if not for the monitors ...
so true
vagrant pagoda
For singleplayer games I wouldn't recommend anything below 4k aside from budget ...
Even in MP using GPU 1080 to 4k looks the same as 1080
Only advantage dual mode has is crazy refresh rate, but that isnt going to do much if you don't have good hardware anyway
So if you can get a 120/144 hz 4k its as good as a 120/144 1080 for comp stuff. Doing 2x upscale cost nothing on the GPU
hasty surge
Is there any dual mode oled?? 4k and 2k, 240 and 480hz
still loom
Holy shit I've noticed this in some games https://youtu.be/nzomNQaPFSk?t=161
Shocking how bad this is in the previous FSR 😂
DLSS 4 still looks a lot better though for the most part
unkempt lake
DLSS 4 still looks a lot better though for the most part
When you're actually playing the game... doubt you'll notice the difference between the 2
still loom
Plus the fact that you don't need to upscale, using this AI for anti aliasing to improve native resolution is good
still loom
When you're actually playing the game... doubt you'll notice the difference betw...
Well I mean I guess that all depends on the individual's eyes... like I'm sure people would say similar things about FSR3 vs DLSS 3
But things like that waterfall go to show that it isn't always the case
unkempt lake
depends on the game mostly
winter patrol
astral haven
always sad when they dont even try for top tier, but it is what it is
hasty surge
Why can’t they just go all out and give some competition to Nvidia
still loom
Nvidia definitely has a pretty underwhelming selection for the 50 series
hasty surge
The prices are too much
I only saw a few people talking about getting the 5090
And these people already have 4090s
still loom
However, if for instance there was a 5090 and 9090XT for sale, for $1000 and the 9090XT gave 1% more frames average over 30 games...
astral haven
only thing wrong with nvidia is the price, and yet at that price they still sold out instantly
still loom
I'd probably still buy the Nvidia, as the image clarity is going to be slightly better
gusty kiln
So how does the 9070 look?
still loom
It looks pretty damn good
astral haven
can only pray that the prices stick somewhere near msrp
still loom
only thing wrong with nvidia is the price, and yet at that price they still sold...
That's because they had 4 cards worldwide 😂
I'm kidding, even if there were 4 million they still would've sold out
astral haven
maybe not 4m 5090s but yea...
still loom
can only pray that the prices stick somewhere near msrp
Eh... for the initial release they will for sure be higher than $599
winter patrol
whole axle
Waiting for taichi performance. Seems the best
gusty kiln
Damn +130 for the nitro
still loom
I don't like how whenever anyone mentions DLSS, they have to mention upscaling.
DLSS works without upscaling, you can force games into using DLSS anti aliasing
Which means you can run at 4k native, with an improved image
gusty kiln
I would at most get a 650 model
still loom
This is also possible on AMD, but it's just not as good
The whole thing about upscaling is pretty much nonsense for the highest tier cards
You don't need it, you just need the anti aliasing for better image quality
astral haven
Which means you can run at 4k native, with an improved image
its because people are coping that they can see a difference
astral haven
You don't need it, you just need the anti aliasing for better image quality
show me a card that can run my monitor (4k240hdr) in more than 2 games
gusty kiln
Lol. Never
still loom
its because people are coping that they can see a difference
It makes quite significant differences to native in many scenes of big games
Ones that you can easily see
Like... clearly
without even looking
gusty kiln
4090 is higher than msrp on the used market
hasty surge
5090 is so good compared to and though
gusty kiln
5090 will never
fathom venture
no need to compare
astral haven
It makes quite significant differences to native in many scenes of big games
no people are coping that they can see a difference between dlaa and dlss 1440p or even 1080p > 4k
fathom venture
5090 is triple the price
fathom venture
Lol. Never
5k for a graphic card seems outrageous
still loom
no people are coping that they can see a difference between dlaa and dlss 1440p ...
Oh you mean if you're using upscaling you won't notice the difference? I mean... I guess the upscaling has come a long way
fathom venture
but i would get the nvidia card over amd anyday
hasty surge
Why? Is it that good? Should I save up?
gusty kiln
but i would get the nvidia card over amd anyday
Then 5k is the price you will have to pay
fathom venture
nah
gusty kiln
Won't be able to get a 5090 until it's irrelevant
fathom venture
i think the prices will drop after a while
still loom
Yeah, when the 6090 is out
gusty kiln
Yeah, when the 6090 is out
Maybe 7090 cuz even the 4090 is selling above msrp atm
astral haven
It's only ever 2k or up
i mean that is around what i spent on my last card during covid times
still loom
show me a card that can run my monitor (4k240hdr) in more than 2 games
240fps is not required for games that are demanding on your GPU
fathom venture
still overpriced tho
still loom
You have a 240 4k monitor so that you can enjoy story games and competitive games side by side
There's no benefit to running cyberpunk past say 100 fps
ashen spindle
Yes there is lol
fathom venture
You have a 240 4k monitor so that you can enjoy story games and competitive game...
my next purchase lol
ashen spindle
I can very easily notice the increased smoothness of 175 vs 100 fps already
fathom venture
i mean 100 to 175 is pretty big jump
ashen spindle
60 or 100 or 120 are in no way a stopping point for single player games, it’s very easy to notice the difference for most people
still loom
That difference is smoothness is not going to change your overall gameplay experience
As 100 is smooth enough
astral haven
You have a 240 4k monitor so that you can enjoy story games and competitive game...
screw that lol
still loom
In competitive gaming, yes, there is a difference
ashen spindle
Speak for yourself maybe
still loom
You have lower latency at higher frames
fathom venture
true
still loom
Therefore there is a benefit
gusty kiln
Why would you ever choose less real fps?
astral haven
As 100 is smooth enough
its reasonably smooth, but i get nausea regardless of people online saying that its smooth enough
still loom
Why would you ever choose less real fps?
No one said less "real fps"
We're talking about playing in native 4k
gusty kiln
Same question apply
still loom
You don't need 240 frames per second at 4k to have a good gaming experience
gusty kiln
Why would you ever choose less
ashen spindle
The resolution doesn’t matter, I want more than 100fps be it 4K or 1080p
still loom
100 is more than good enough
fathom venture
is curved a good option for main monitor? 240 hz 4k qdoled 32 inch?
fathom venture
The resolution doesn’t matter, I want more than 100fps be it 4K or 1080p
huh? on single player games u dont want res?
still loom
Why would you ever choose less
The point was there is no card on the market that can play every game at 240 fps in native 4k
That was his question
gusty kiln
No he just want more fps regardless
still loom
There is no "why would you choose less"
You're not choosing because there is no option to get 240 in every game at 4k
astral haven
The point was there is no card on the market that can play every game at 240 fps...
i said "more than 2 games" not every game lol
still loom
There are probably hundreds of games you can run at 4k 240 then 😂
astral haven
not hdr tho
fathom venture
You're not choosing because there is no option to get 240 in every game at 4k
i think 5090 should be able to cope up with that maybe not 240 on every game but yeah
still loom
i think 5090 should be able to cope up with that maybe not 240 on every game but...
I think frame generation has you blinded
astral haven
even with fg the 5090 doesnt...
still loom
fathom venture
i mean hey its pretty good when u play single player games
astral haven
you need both upscaling and framegen
fathom venture
yea
unkempt lake
i mean hey its pretty good when u play single player games
As long as your base framerate is high enough
still loom
i mean hey its pretty good when u play single player games
Personally I've never had a problem with it, but we're talkig native here without that stuff 😅
unkempt lake
And you don't play something where latency is a big deal
Controller games shine with FG tbh
fathom venture
true but i dont understand the hate against fg
unkempt lake
I mean even AMD has it now with the new cards
They already had it
unkempt lake
No
unkempt lake
They have AFMF as an universal thing and Fsr framegen for titles with fsr implementation
still loom
Oh that's fluid motion
right, yeah
But what's the new thing that is only coming to the new cards
It has a weird name
ashen spindle
Fsr4
unkempt lake
^
ashen spindle
Same thing just better
unkempt lake
Also hi quin
ashen spindle
Hyper-rx is also nothing new
still loom
That's what it's called
cursive summit
Hyper-rx is also nothing new
HYPR-RX, mind you
You added an unnecessary letter, do better next time 
still loom
😅
cursive summit
Oh there's one for all the optimum fans out there https://youtu.be/1ETVDATUsLI
ashen spindle
But yeah that’s nothing new they had that since idk rdna1 or 2? It just got better versions
unkempt lake
Hyper-rx is also nothing new
Hyper rx is kind of a meme
still loom
But yeah that’s nothing new they had that since idk rdna1 or 2? It just got bett...
ah, says 2023 release
gusty kiln
The only real question is how many msrp models available
unkempt lake
It's just... ah yes lets toggle every stupid feature in the amd driver
still loom
so 6000 series
cursive summit
Hyper rx is kind of a meme
It is not
unkempt lake
Why would I ever use it
ashen spindle
so 6000 series
Most of it was available as individual software before
Like CAS or RIS is something that works quite well
still loom
The only real question is how many msrp models available
I mean even at the inflated initial sale price you're probably looking at something above $700?
That's still cheaper than the nvidia variant
ashen spindle
No they have msrp models in stock
unkempt lake
Why would i want the stupid fsr1 upscaler on
Only think i care about having on is antilag
cursive summit
Without HYPR-RX you can't even turn on Chill and Antilag together
still loom
What's the thing that will only work on the 90 series at launch then?
cursive summit
Which is a pretty big deal
unkempt lake
why would i use radeon chill
still loom
There's way too much info in all of these launches to keep track 😂
cursive summit
Why would you not?
unkempt lake
I have a vrr display... i don't need to cap my fps
analog sinew
What's the thing that will only work on the 90 series at launch then?
fsr4
still loom
That's weird
Won't be long before that goes to the rest surely
Don't think that would require massive hardware differences
unkempt lake
Like i really don't see the point of radeon chull if you have a good vrr display
Maybe if you're playing a game that has wonky physics above a certain framerate?
ashen spindle
Don't think that would require massive hardware differences
It does, rdna3 doesn’t have the hardware to make it work so unless they can lower the performance needed it will only be on 90 series
astral haven
Maybe if you're playing a game that has wonky physics above a certain framerate?
my room becomes a sauna if i have my pc going flat out for hours
gusty kiln
That's why I kinda wanna copy linus with having his pc in another room
still loom
It does, rdna3 doesn’t have the hardware to make it work so unless they can lowe...
I guess they can change the model at some point like nvidia.... isn't dlss 4 available on all RTX cards back to like 20 series?
And it's better than FSR 4?
A little bit weird
astral haven
the number is, but many of the features that make it good arent
ashen spindle
And older Nvidia cards have the hardware for it, older amd cards don’t, simple as that
still loom
fair enough
analog sinew
the COOB
analog sinew
this delay+price lowering could ed up being biig
wheat plume
https://www.theverge.com/news/620695/apple-m4-macbook-air-13-15-announcement-pri...
How long will this base price last?
cursive summit
What are you insinuating, that they'll pull an Nvidia?
pale sigil
How long will this base price last?
Apple rarely ever increases prices after launch
They only did it once irrc
In recent times
wheat plume
What are you insinuating, that they'll pull an Nvidia? <:havo:975821613415157860...
Usually companies make a pre-order discount
wheat plume
Apple rarely ever increases prices after launch
Oh hmmm
pale sigil
Usually companies make a pre-order discount
Not apple lol
cursive summit
Usually companies make a pre-order discount
In CHINA
wheat plume
Not apple lol
Oh
cursive summit
Not Apple lol
pale sigil
They don't need an incentive for people to pre order
wheat plume
They don't need an incentive for people to pre order
True
cursive summit
People will suck up their shit anyways
pale sigil
Google does it and so does Samsung
cursive summit
Tim Cook can fart and vacuum that shit into a glass vial, and people would buy it
nimble arch
https://www.eurogamer.net/sonys-ps3-gets-new-system-software-update-19-years-aft...
Probably for the Blu-ray encryption keys
lyric hatch
Can confirm got a 512gb s25 ultra without trade in or contract for the same price as a 128gb base iPhone 16
unkempt lake
People will suck up their shit anyways
I'd rather use an iPhone than an Android phone tbh
marsh pewter
🍿
unkempt lake
i don't care if it's "boring" or if i can't customize it it's a phone
If i wanna tinker and shit i'll do it on my desktop
Or one of of the numerous android tablets i bought over the years
I'm still salty about my nvidia shield tablet dying ): i loved that thing
lyric hatch
OS it's all preference
unkempt lake
Android devices are fun toys
Like the only thing that I cared about on android was emulation and... i can do that on ios nowadays
marsh pewter
Like the only thing that I cared about on android was emulation and... i can do ...
not as much tho
but it gets the job done for the most part
unkempt lake
not as much tho
But then if im gonna play a ps2 game im gonna grab the steam deck
If im on my phone its gonna be either PSP or DS
cursive summit
I'd rather use an iPhone than an Android phone tbh
Dashi, why did you start having the worst of the takes recently
unkempt lake
Dashi, why did you start having the worst of the takes recently <:dogekek:113425...
I didn't say android was bad
It has it's place, i think android handhelds are dope
Android tablets are awesome too
For my phone i just prefer ios xD
lyric hatch
Anything beyond ps1 is objectively better on android and easier to set up 
unkempt lake
Anything beyond ps1 is objectively better on android and easier to set up <:knig...
Well i... only emulate handhelds lol
marsh pewter
personally I think side loading and all the fun stuff on android is really useful but I feel like a majority of it is really gimmicky and unnecessary for a phone
lyric hatch
No JIT makes it worse
fathom venture
just checked the benchmarks for the 9070xt
and holy shit
should be a no brainer
lyric hatch
Depends on actual MSRP still
ashen spindle
plenty of retailers said they have msrp models
fathom venture
Depends on actual MSRP still
true
but pretty sure it beats the 4080
and people who want something powerful should definitely get it
unless they the 4090 5090
lyric hatch
plenty of retailers said they have msrp models
Not my ones
ashen spindle
I mean yeah you might be less lucky but relative to your prices it should be fine xD
if even OCUK has msrp cards in stock
lyric hatch
Looks like $850 when converted to USD for me for the current cheapest 9070 xt
unkempt lake
No JIT makes it worse
I can play psp at 4k 60... it's all i care about oh and og ds and gba and even then my favorite emulation machines are my hacked 3ds and the steam deck
fathom venture
idt it beats the 5080 tho
fickle ore
idk lol put it on credit
unkempt lake
gotta install it, do I install it on top of amd drivers
Ddu
fathom venture
TvT
cursive summit
unkempt lake
https://www.theverge.com/news/624653/nintendo-japan-support-ending-new-3ds-xl-2d...
Sad, NA ran out a bit ago too
My 3ds fangirl heart is hurting
cursive summit
End of an era
unkempt lake
its ok i have my 2 hacked 3dses
cursive summit
Though I wish we'd see double screen Nintendo again
fickle ore
Na, told u reflex 2 is good for OW at 1080p
unkempt lake
I'll live
marsh pewter
Though I wish we'd see double screen Nintendo again
I don’t
unkempt lake
Though I wish we'd see double screen Nintendo again
I just want a small handheld again
Like
lyric hatch
I can play psp at 4k 60... it's all i care about oh and og ds and gba and even t...
I can play pretty much everything
unkempt lake
Ps vita sized with physical buttons
cursive summit
Lite is pretty small
unkempt lake
I can play pretty much everything <:duck_sip:1103326776308019362>
i know... i'd just rather llay on my 3ds or my deck if i play something else
unkempt lake
Dashi, why did you start having the worst of the takes recently <:dogekek:113425...
Sorry xd
hasty surge
What about 9950x3d, isn’t that supposed to be better than 9800x3d for gaming?
ashen spindle
a tiny bit, not worth the extra cost really
hasty surge
Oh ok
ashen spindle
nah it does have better bins so the clocks are a bit higher
fathom venture
a tiny bit, not worth the extra cost really
Not even a tiny bit tho
Is most games it performs the same
ashen spindle
what are you talking about, the cpu isnt even out yet
fathom venture
Only in a few games it just beats the 9800x3d
fathom venture
what are you talking about, the cpu isnt even out yet
Yea I’m talking about what he asked for
He wanted something for valorant
The difference will be pretty much 0
umbral heron
In quite a lot of games will preform worse than 9800x3d, if core parking is disabled, see 7800x3d vs 7950x3d 
ashen spindle
the cpu isnt out yet so we dont konw if its a tiny bit or not
ashen spindle
top clock speed is 5.7 vs 5.2 ghz on the 9800x3d so that could be up to 10% in some cases
on average it wont be much but its not the same
umbral heron
Ooo, I didn't knew KDE can do that 
nimble arch
KDE 
unkempt lake
If you have a 9800x3d you should have a good enough gpu that you well... use fully
umbral heron
nimble arch
I quite like the macOS layout so I'm pretty chill with GNOME
unkempt lake
Who the fuck is gonna use a 9950x3d in a 1080p rig
nimble arch
Although I can see why people prefer KDE
unkempt lake
It's valid for benchmarking
nimble arch
Isn't a Windows XP theme still one of the most popular for KDE?
ashen spindle
Who the fuck is gonna use a 9950x3d in a 1080p rig
people that used to buy 14900ks for 1080p esports
analog sinew
Who the fuck is gonna use a 9950x3d in a 1080p rig
someone will run fortnite on that
unkempt lake
people that used to buy 14900ks for 1080p esports
It makes me cringe
umbral heron
someone will run fortnite on that
Time to do that 
Once I get my hands on one 
unkempt lake
Let me build a top of the line gaming rig to play 1080p very low
ashen spindle
why not, if you can get a monitor at like 500hz you want to make use of that
analog sinew
Time to do that <:cutieSalute:542990910498013185>
Once I get my hands on one <:...
CALS NOO
sudden imp
I gotta ask before I watch the reviews am I to be excited for the 9070xt performance or did it underperform?
unkempt lake
I gotta ask before I watch the reviews am I to be excited for the 9070xt perform...
it did what it said it would do
Didn't over nor underperform
It just did what it said it was gonna do
7900xt raster and better than xtx rt
analog sinew
I gotta ask before I watch the reviews am I to be excited for the 9070xt perform...
performance was solid and what was expected, and at that price it seems reviewers are happy
lyric hatch
Was closer to the 7900 xtx then I thought
analog sinew
amd didnt overpromise thats certain
unkempt lake
Was closer to the 7900 xtx then I thought
We in xt territory
lyric hatch
But we always knew it was going to be somewhere between
unkempt lake
ashen spindle
dont trust the hub numbers hes seemingly using an outdated driver
unkempt lake
dont trust the hub numbers hes seemingly using an outdated driver
huh
the hell are the real numbers then
Did i miss something
umbral heron
It's close enough to XTX to be really good, but nothing really to justify an upgrade from XTX
So yeah, the lineup would really shine with 9080 
ashen spindle
well its not broken drivers but older drivers are still older and miss some small percent here and there
if you look at TPU
lines up exactly with the 2% behind a 5070ti there
unkempt lake
Isn't tpu using the fancy nitro oc card tho?
ashen spindle
its like 90mhz higher boost cloc
umbral heron
Nothing you can't do in Afterburner/CoreCtrl 
ashen spindle
so like 2% max clock higher I guess?
analog sinew
only two X in that name
cant be good
even if we count + as half an X
its not enough
umbral heron
That's why it's slower in raster than XTX
Though it's faster than 7900 because bigger number
sudden imp
With that type of performance is wonder what a halo card would look like
unkempt lake
I hope they bring fsr4 to rdna3
For gamers like me who play on big moumou resolution
analog sinew
🙏
analog sinew
would breathe a lot of longevity into rx7000 gen
ashen spindle
they would basically have to speed up the int8 path of the upscaler by 4x to make it viable on rdna3
unkempt lake
We'll see what happens
astral haven
With that type of performance is wonder what a halo card would look like
double the size is possible, and double the size is around the 1.4x performance range
unkempt lake
Anyhow as long as nico's 2080 plays games, I don't need an upgrade. When his 2080 can't do what he wants anymore then i can be like
Have my xtx i'm gonna go buy myself something new
He's my little parts recycler
analog sinew
hardware bottom
unkempt lake
LMAO
sudden imp
double the size is possible, and double the size is around the 1.4x performance ...
Not enough to warrant the cost then I guess?
unkempt lake
@analog sinew how much was your 7900xtx again
astral haven
Not enough to warrant the cost then I guess?
cost would end up near the 5090 anyways, and performance would have been worse, amd would have had to eat margins again
ashen spindle
take the msrp and add vat
umbral heron
689€, so... 3k PLN, not great, not terrible
unkempt lake
211 euros for 5% more performance and more vram
I guess it all depends on if you want the vram or not @analog sinew
Ir care about the extra raster perf
analog sinew
689 is the reference price that i dont think the AIB cards reach
so that number is meaningless
the cheapest i saw on there was 739
ashen spindle
some will because there is only AiB cards
deep heart
lines up exactly with the 2% behind a 5070ti there
i wonder if it has a huge OC overhead
like the 5080]
analog sinew
so i'd say it's more in th 100€ range
i dont really mind that
pretty much a tossup and who knows how the availability n shit is
fsr4 is the only sad thing but we'll see
unkempt lake
I'd probably just keep the XTX if i were you because you have it in your system, it works, it plays your games, you have vram for the future and then you don't get to stress about trying to get one
Which... with the current climate i am convinced the cards will sell out but not due to lack of stock
analog sinew
yeah i'm definitely not buying a 9070 thats not worth the hassle at all
unkempt lake
People just behave like rabid animals
I mean... look at pokemon tcg... there's plenty of product in stock it's just people behave like animals
Over consumer goods
Same shit with gpus
It's just a stupid craze
Yes i know nvidia has no stock but the demand is so high i don't see how amd would meet it
Add scalping into the mix
Its gonna be a shitshow
Even if amd has plenty of stock
umbral heron
Over consumer goods
But 2% in Cyberpunk 
trim crane
But 2% in Cyberpunk <a:PPalBlankies:1015068822937546812>
How did you like the 9070 XT reviews
umbral heron
More or less what I expected 
But it's good that they compete at least in the mid-end
trim crane
I'm getting an XFX 9070 XT SWIFT black (either the triple ir dual if I can get my hands on it)
cursive summit
take the msrp and add vat
Ehh some places MSRP = EUR
Like in my new favourite country Latvia
analog sinew
they usually do that
the "fuck you for being european" tax
sure as hell know they wouldnt do it if the euro was worth less
leaden kiln
Who the fuck is gonna use a 9950x3d in a 1080p rig
I felt that
but I only have a 7800x3d with my 1080p60 monitor, close enough
cursive summit
Seems that 9070XTs are MSRP in UK
I'm wondering which one is the best between the MSRP cards
Apparently this is from OverclockersUK?
Yeah I think we'll have enough stock lol
unkempt lake
Yeah I think we'll have enough stock lol
Doesn't matter how much stock they have if people behave like rabid animals
leaden kiln
I'm thinking of maybe getting a 9070xt later this year, I wish it had more vram but it'll still probably be a worthwhile upgrade over my 6800 non xt
unkempt lake
They launch tomorrow right
Yep
pale sigil
Ok I'm going to try
bright briar
i just got home hows the 9070 xt?
ashen spindle
if you dont want a 5090 buy a 9070 basically
pale sigil
Don't you mean xt
ashen spindle
either one
pale sigil
If I can sell my 3080 it'll be a decent upgrade
pale sigil
Depends
ashen spindle
probably not
ashen spindle
do you run into vram issues
bright briar
i got the 12gb one
bright briar
7900xtx such a steal for 24gb
damn guess ima make onlypaws account and sell pictures of mou mou sleeping
balmy vector
gotta get dashis approval for that
bright briar
gotta get dashis approval for that
let mou mou decide for herself mango shes an adult
tuna aint cheap
unkempt lake
_>
pale sigil
My biggest problem with getting the 9070xt is my cpu
unkempt lake
My biggest problem with getting the 9070xt is my cpu
It's not an issue
Look even if it did bottleneck in some games or whatever
It's not thay big of a deal
You can always render at a higher res
Or crank up anti aliasing
Nothing that stops you from getting a cpu upgrade later if you want to push nore frames out of a game or 2
Not EVERY game is gonna be hogging your cpu
I swear the whole bottleneck talk drives me jnsane
pale sigil
The games I play do xd
crimson wigeon
Destiny 2 is that poorly made?
balmy vector
pale sigil
Destiny 2 is that poorly made?
Since bungie took over the pc port ye
Before that it had god tier optimization
bright briar
bring back bungie that would make halo
bright briar
gentle osprey
I know I'm late, whats the verdict on 9070XT before I watch this GN video
AMD W or L
ashen spindle
pretty good
gentle osprey
cursive summit
For LLM fans
New easy to run (runs on a 3090 apparently) top end LLM has released https://huggingface.co/Qwen/QwQ-32B
ashen spindle
cursive summit
Over a thousand of a single model?
Damn AMD really stocked up lol
How much (long) until AMD pricecuts the 9070 though
I don't think that one will sell well on DIY market
lyric hatch
Knowing AMD probably in a month or two
cursive summit
So what did you type with
junior ridge
2nd keboard
reef patrol
can someone help , keyboard lights up but not typing
Click help on the left side of the window.
junior ridge
i juust got the 80he now
Same thing, it says it’s successfully connected, In the app shows it’s clicking in the actuation point.
It’s brand new I just got it
reef patrol
Same thing, it says it’s successfully connected, In the app shows it’s clicking ...
So you successfully factory reset it, it shows the green circle in the top left, and it doesn't work?
topaz fog
4.00mm actuation? were you pressing any keys on the wooting keyboard when you took this screenshot?
junior ridge
Nop, it shows in actuation points it clicks
junior ridge
4.00mm actuation? were you pressing any keys on the wooting keyboard when you to...
Yes
topaz fog
i suggest you move this to a #1019755933959733258 thread
junior ridge
Brand new keyboard bruh smh
halcyon moss
Nice. Not a bad deal IMHO
steady sail
ashen spindle
monitor tech like TN or IPS or OLED
can be good or bad depending on what panel exactly
graceful wedge
Fixed gpu guys, just need to work on clean installing pc so I can download windows 11 😴
unkempt lake
Fixed gpu guys, just need to work on clean installing pc so I can download windo...
So it wasn't broken
It was just a software issue
steady sail
Oh boy looks like amd is on their revenge arc
vagrant pagoda
Oh boy looks like amd is on their revenge arc <:havo:975821613415157860>
Mrs Su on a warpath
pale sigil
vagrant pagoda
Destroyed Intels bubble
pale sigil
He seems to think getting a 5070ti is easy to get at MSRP
vagrant pagoda
Now she is going for Nvidias bubby
steady sail
FSR 4 is overall better than DLSS cnn but losses against DLSS Transformer
vagrant pagoda
Typical amd one gen behind XD
steady sail
I mean its hard to go against nvidia with a gen ahead
ashen spindle
it doesnt lose agains dlss transformer in all aspects though
even in the DF comparison he finds areas where fsr4 does better
and its not that its ahead of dlss3 but dlss4 cnn model so all the updates it got
ashen spindle
really would've loved a halo card this gen rip
graceful wedge
It was just a software issue
Yea it was software issues
steady sail
Yeah but anyway next gen
pale sigil
ashen spindle
link them the fsr4 video from digital foundry
pale sigil
How can you be so eh, I've always been pretty bias to dlss but Jesus
ashen spindle
how about that the cheapest 5070ti you can get is currently more like 300$ above msrp
nimble arch
I just hope AMD have a high-end when I do eventually upgrade 
These new cards are a promising start though
pale sigil
how about that the cheapest 5070ti you can get is currently more like 300$ above...
"prices will go down once they fix stock"
nimble arch
An 80-tier at least
ashen spindle
ask them why there is no 5070ti FE model when that would instantly make it be at MSRP, its the only card that doesnt have a founders model in the 50 series stack
analog sinew
This is a blurry mess to them
yeah the left one is blurry
mess might be harsh but its defo blurry
ashen spindle
yeah its like worst case showing for fsr4 they could find
and a reason why I still hate any sort of FG/upscaling lol
sudden imp
This is a blurry mess to them
2nd image is just sharper
steady sail
I mean the 2nd image is the dlss transformer model
ashen spindle
still worse than native either way
halcyon moss
Isn't that the new one with terrible ghosting artifacts? Or is that only for framegen
ashen spindle
the new one is much better, what you are thinking of is the ray reconstruction from the pathtracing demo
the upscaling/fg doesnt really have much ghosting, that was always something DLSS really added
lyric hatch
ask them why there is no 5070ti FE model when that would instantly make it be at...
Wasn't a FE for the 4070 ti or the 4070 ti super either
ashen spindle
yup
velvet lotus
My wooting just dced mid update and now it wont work i cant type and fix it
ashen spindle
unkempt lake
I'd agree 599 is high end
Problem is we don't have a budget segment anymore
We just have mid and hi end
compact relic
599 is midrange now
unkempt lake
Problem is it doesn't actually follow inflation
compact relic
RX 570 for 150 eur was goated
gusty kiln
nvidia doesn't even acknowledge XX50 anymore
gentle osprey
People tryna lowball me for my 7800X3D on Ebay smh
unkempt lake
The issue is welp people buy it at those prices
unkempt lake
People tryna lowball me for my 7800X3D on Ebay smh
How much you want for it xd
gentle osprey
I have it at $399 but I'll take $379
ashen spindle
its not just inflation yeah but hardware its getting mroe costly from R&D and raw cost
astral haven
2 things are inflating
the dollar itself, but also the performance we expect out of gpus
ashen spindle
nodes cost more, pcb cost etc.
unkempt lake
I have it at $399 but I'll take $379
That's more than i paid for mine brand new xd
astral haven
if we didnt want to run our fancy new 4k240hz 1440p360hz monitors, there would be no problem
steady sail
👀
gentle osprey
That's more than i paid for mine brand new xd
lmao they are selling at $380 on average on ebay (used)
unkempt lake
lmao they are selling at $380 on average on ebay (used)
who the fuck buys them at 380
unkempt lake
Quite a few apparently
The same people who buy old i7 and i9s i guess
gentle osprey
yeah lol
Im happy cause it's not much less than what I paid at launch MSRP
was $449 at launch
so only take like a 50-70 loss
unkempt lake
I got mine for uh... 425 canadian
gentle osprey
not including taxes etc
unkempt lake
New
gentle osprey
Oh okay nice
unkempt lake
XD
Whenever nico gets tired of the 9700k i'll provably just give him my 7800x3d and buy whatever the x3d at the time is
gusty kiln
isn't it the same area as the 5080 though?
ashen spindle
no more like the 5070ti
analog sinew
its about 40mm^2 smaller if google is right
ashen spindle
analog sinew
crazy how much more stuff there is in the 5090
gusty kiln
that's why the 5080 is a scam, suppose to be a 5070 based on historical die size
they've tried the long term play for a long term now already though
gentle osprey
I got mine for uh... 425 canadian
it just sold for $375 lol
steady sail
that's why the 5080 is a scam, suppose to be a 5070 based on historical die size
say hello to nvidia's 5080 super plan or 5080 ti xD
gusty kiln
lmao
steady sail
for the very nice price of 2000$
vagrant pagoda
crazy how much more stuff there is in the 5090
i mean the full as102 is 609mm^2 and 76b
gusty kiln
interesting to see the sales numbers after tomorrow
I think they will sell well but not sell out
ashen spindle
idk good reviews and everything else is out of stock
astral haven
oof
gusty kiln
are there people camping outisde microcenter atm?
unkempt lake
are there people camping outisde microcenter atm?
Probably
People were camping for the 5070 lmao
ashen spindle
even if not, people know there is much higher stock so no need
unkempt lake
even if not, people know there is much higher stock so no need
That's funny
Even if there is stock... it doesn't matter if there's demand
ashen spindle
one place said its the highest stock they ever had for a gpu launch
astral haven
its a bit weathery in all the places that matter in the us 😛
gusty kiln
hey that's me
ashen spindle
and ocuk had so many they could be doing multiple of those gpu box cubes they made on social media
gusty kiln
raining all day today
gentle osprey
They camped during a snow storm here in Denver for the 5090
so weather is a non issue for some
astral haven
yea but 5090 is new flagship
unkempt lake
Yall are naive if you believe there won't be stock issues
lyric hatch
Yeah but that's a 5090 scalping opportunity sky high on that one
gusty kiln
idk it's a battle of people who are willing to give AMD a shot vs those who a willing to wait for 5000 restock
gentle osprey
My point is weather don't matter for some
unkempt lake
Even the most in stock items can go out of stock if prople behave a certain way
ashen spindle
5090 you could scalp for a months worth of pay
gentle osprey
Yeah I mean nobody is as hyped about AMD as Nvidia naturally so probably won't be an issue
unkempt lake
playing pokemon is actually cheap
I play pokemon tcg
steady sail
there are more ppl hyped about AMD tho
gusty kiln
rip
gentle osprey
there are more ppl hyped about AMD tho
Yeah sure this time around but overall, not really
unkempt lake
rip
Yeah :/
People are no longer considering playable cards as "bulk"
Trying to make a quick buck when they get some
gusty kiln
get ready for $50 per copy like YGO and MTG
unkempt lake
If you need like 4 of a certain catd in a deck and it's 4x what it used to it's annoying af
I kinda just said fuck physical play and sticking to tcg live
I have plenty of currency from packs i opened over the years so i can easily use that to exchange for vietual cards
steady sail
Yeah sure this time around but overall, not really
i mean if nvidia gonna price their card with this high prices ppl gonna stop caring about them
unkempt lake
Yeah sure this time around but overall, not really
Overall the perception is still
Amd buggy bad drivers shit gpus
Green team go brrr
gentle osprey
Unfortunately
unkempt lake
Yes nvidia had plenty of fuck ups but
gentle osprey
i mean if nvidia gonna price their card with this high prices ppl gonna stop car...
I hope so
gentle osprey
People seem to buy Nvidia no matter the price
unkempt lake
They just heard from a friend amd bad buy nvidia
gentle osprey
even if they are against it
unkempt lake
And they're doing this
gentle osprey
Especially people who don't know any better/do research of the products they buy
unkempt lake
Same reason why people kept buying intel for a while
Even when they weren't really at the top anymore
Most people still use intel
Because its what they know
Same reason why you have someone who doesn't know cars and goes i had a nissan before im gonna buy a nissan again even tho today's nissan has nothing to do with the nissan of the past
lyric hatch
Just had a bad enough experience with the 5700xt that I don't want to return to an AMD gpu anytime soon
unkempt lake
Just had a bad enough experience with the 5700xt that I don't want to return to ...
There's cases like this too
ashen spindle
I mean from a human emotion point that makes sense, but if you look at the 50 series issues, even rdna1 was better xD
if you look at it completely objectively
unkempt lake
Just had a bad enough experience with the 5700xt that I don't want to return to ...
Just like how i bet the intel 13/14 gen people will stay far away from intel
gentle osprey
I mean from a human emotion point that makes sense, but if you look at the 50 se...
50 series is so shit and I keep tryna explain that to people lol
feel like I'm wasting my time tho
and I wanted a 5090 at first
then I realized how bad that series is
even if you ignore the price
ashen spindle
yeah I was thinking, 5090 this year then new monitor next with 4k since then we get new oleds and maybe there is a good one but bleh
gentle osprey
Yep, I was on the same path
fair gull
yeah I was thinking, 5090 this year then new monitor next with 4k since then we ...
i see i am not alone
gentle osprey
You were not alone
unkempt lake
I think most people have a decent enough gpu, they just need to tweak a few settings, playing the game on high vs ultra will not be gamechanging
So many people i feel just upgrade for the sake of upgrading
When what they have is etill decent
ashen spindle
there is just no gpu that can run games with good looks like AW2 or such at high enough fps at higher resolutions
cant even get to 175fps on my non 4k screen
unkempt lake
Alan wake 2 even on lower settings still looks amazing
ashen spindle
yes but I dont want to lower settings
unkempt lake
cant even get to 175fps on my non 4k screen
Why do you need 175fps on alan wake 2...
You don't
ashen spindle
because its nicer to play than at 100
unkempt lake
It's a survival horror slow paced game
gentle osprey
cant even get to 175fps on my non 4k screen
Yeah there's not a ton of games I hit 175 on my Ultrawide unless I'm not running max settings or it's not a super demanding game
ashen spindle
its an easy to spot difference for me and I prefer the smoother experience
gentle osprey
Yeah I don't like going below like 100
unkempt lake
I just tweak the game based on what genre it is how fast paced it is
balmy vector
I have oled to help me live
unkempt lake
Yeah I don't like going below like 100
~100fps is a good sweet spot w vrr
ashen spindle
vrr on most oleds is painfull in dark scenes
gentle osprey
Yeah I have VRR off personally
unkempt lake
vrr on most oleds is painfull in dark scenes
I don't have oled
gentle osprey
Ah