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analog sinew
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just wonder if some legal agencies are actually gonna step in

steady sail
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i mean if we gonna see house fires maybe

reef patrol
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Allegedly an LA based repair shop saw 200 cards with related issues IN A MONTH

magic minnow
pale sigil
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Need advice

We have now tested GPU, ram and psu, my cousins system won't boot, just lights and fans go off after a few seconds.

No errors, would you lean more towards a dead mobo Vs CPU @ashen spindle

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Unfortunately I can't test the CPU elsewhere

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It doesn't beep 5 times for CPU

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It did beep on memory at one point but I replaced that

analog sinew
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that does sound like dead mobo then

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did it ever boot or is it a new build

ashen spindle
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50/50 if its mobo or cpu issue

cursive summit
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What CPU is quite important

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I've seen far more dead CPUs than motherboards

pale sigil
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10700

cursive summit
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Hm, not AMD problems then

pale sigil
nimble arch
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Me with a 4090 FE that’s 18 months old monkaW

cursive summit
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I'd still be leaning on fucked CPU

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That's sort of what my dead Ryzen did

pale sigil
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Now it just doesn't do it

analog sinew
cursive summit
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My Ryzen started bluescreening the system for a while

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Then it'd just bootloop for a couple of days, and then just die completely

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My money's on the CPU, same behavior

pale sigil
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Pita because we can't really test it

cursive summit
cursive summit
reef patrol
vagrant pagoda
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Also we had front panel iec, expansion slot iec ain't gonna work though

ashen spindle
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either way its likely something to be found by changing cpu, be it visually seeing socket issues or the cpu causing it

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rest of the board is less likely to have any issue

vagrant pagoda
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I have a sparkle brand I think? CD bay aux psu and it uses a c7/figure8 to fit in a PCI slot

pale sigil
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On marketplace lol

thick elk
vagrant pagoda
analog sinew
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more like grade I have seen the joke 500 times

vagrant pagoda
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That's how like half my transactions are

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Idk anyone who would take a bank transfer for a marketplace transaction

analog sinew
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meet in front of the police station

pale sigil
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They want cash and meet at a car park

analog sinew
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if they say no to that theyre sus

vagrant pagoda
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Like we can meet at your bank so you can get cash, no checks or transfers

pale sigil
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Don't think so xd

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They won't accept bank transfer either

analog sinew
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also is their name william, kinga or whatever female name they have

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lol

vagrant pagoda
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Car park is probably lit well and has cameras

analog sinew
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so does the police station

vagrant pagoda
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Kinga is a female name

pale sigil
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William is me

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Or well my alias lol

vagrant pagoda
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So you're the sketchy one and you're complaining about them

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Check their public profile

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Make sure it isn't like only 2 months old posts

pale sigil
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Well it's not me buying

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I said my cousin and he would message :p

vagrant pagoda
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Ah ok

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But yeah that is normal

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Like a quarter of my marketplace transaction could have been drug deals

pale sigil
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The issue also is that if there's an issue I can't go to their house and get my money back

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It's a cpu and mono

vagrant pagoda
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I mean

pale sigil
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Mobo

vagrant pagoda
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You gonna show up with a gun? What if they scam you and don't answer

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Having someone's address ain't shit

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Don't buy want you can't test

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Bring a power bank, PSU and monitor

pale sigil
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Can't

analog sinew
vagrant pagoda
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This is market place not eBay there are no guarantees or money back XS

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I know a polish lady named kinga

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So it's a real name

digital cliff
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yeah if you distrust sellers so much to begin with then maybe just buy new from a store or so

vagrant pagoda
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If you think you can show back up to someone's house and get a refund on a used purchase, maybe don't be doing marketplace deals

digital cliff
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right, even if you had the address what are you gonna do? rob them at gunpoint?

vagrant pagoda
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If they are going to scam you in the first place, wouldn't they just say no to giving money back XS

digital cliff
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if they wanted to scam you it would be super convenient to just accept transfer and then mail you bricks or nothing at all

vagrant pagoda
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Unless you're gonna steal their rims and pawn them

vagrant pagoda
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How you get the best deals though, everyone else is scared lol

pale sigil
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Ok my cousin is just going to buy a 5600x and mobo new form a local shop

reef patrol
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A 5600X -new- at this point?

unkempt lake
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If he's strapped for cash it can be a decent option

reef patrol
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I should hope so - Brick stores rarely do that these days, so I'm just concerned they're getting ripped off on the price 😄

vagrant pagoda
pale sigil
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He just wants it fixed today

pale sigil
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And doesn't want to spend much

reef patrol
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Again - I'm sure you can find great deals. Just a word of caution to check the price before committing 😄

pale sigil
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I've looked, he is literally needing to pick it up today.

reef patrol
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Fair.

vagrant pagoda
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He gonna lose his job with no PC?

pale sigil
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He's also gonna claim back the tax

unkempt lake
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No he just doesn't know how to build one

pale sigil
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For his work

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He's 2 hours away

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And doesn't really know aye

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I would advise getting a newer gen but the investment is too high and we tried looking on marketplace but ye we don't feel comfortable and it costs more anyway.

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I made him very aware of the minor differences etc so he's purely going this route out of convenience.

reef patrol
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If they need a running PC, they need a running PC. And the cost is just... well the cost of doing business 😄

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I didn't get my 7800X3D shortly before the 9000 generation release, because I wanted to. I needed a running PC.

pale sigil
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I'll probably keep hold of his CPU and mobo and see if anyone I know has a spare mobo to test with or something.

reef patrol
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Fuck if I know. For months on end I had random system reboots. Like full on, no BSOD just "RESET NAO" issues. Ended up swapping Mobo, PSU and RAM in one go.

pale sigil
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Hell I might even buy it off him if I can find an itx, a 10700 wouldn't be bad for a nas/small server 👀

vagrant pagoda
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If the cpu is good.

pale sigil
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Ye

unkempt lake
pale sigil
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I have a spare ddr4 kit too

steady sail
analog sinew
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da fuq

halcyon moss
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Benches pls

ashen spindle
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no drivers so not happening

halcyon moss
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Yah, IMHO unboxing makes so little sense

ashen spindle
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well its not an unboxing that was seeded by amd

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stock exists for a while now so some people got to buy them despite the official launch not happening yet

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so people cant do much more with it

crimson wigeon
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I was gonna say Linux but the firmware probably isn't available

ashen spindle
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correct mesa might be better than default driver but far cry from good without the firmware blobs

crimson wigeon
ashen spindle
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we've had rdna4 info for a long time due to early commits so they definitely have some parts xD

crimson wigeon
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Yes indeed

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So the big blocker is really just gonna be firmware.... maybe.. has anyone tried?

barren pike
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AMD cards are dead weight on Linux without the firmware blobs.

ashen spindle
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well yeah thats true for any card

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if you dont know how to talk to it you wont get much from it

barren pike
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Unless the firmware lives on the card to begin with.

ashen spindle
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you still need to know how to talk to the vbios in the first place and what the correct optimizations etc. are on driver side

barren pike
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But in this case you need the blobs to get the card running in the first place. Nvidia and Intel (at least the iGPU ones as far as I remember) answer at least to generic queries without any external input.

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Was sort of a famous failure case with the Debian installer until (including) 11, where they refused to ship anything that isn't open source -- including the amdgpu firmware.

ashen spindle
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lol

barren pike
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With 12 they split a new repository from non-free called non-free-firmware and packages from that one are now allowed in the installer.

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That toggle was always there. The issue was getting the installer to display anything in the first place.

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No, non-free has been part of the official repros for a long time. Can't swear on the toggle, since I tended to use the unofficial-but-hosted-by-Debian installer images that did have that toggle for many, many years.

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But on AMD the installer simply wouldn't show up, because it didn't have the firmware to initialise the GPU so that it could display anything.

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Nope.

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And that is why I know that those fancy new cards won't do anything without the firmware.

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I don't really know when it started. AMD was just a clustermess back then that nobody would touch those GPU with a ten-foot pole on Linux.

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It has to do with a lot of 'driver' functionality being executed on the card itself and all that code needs to be loaded into the GPU on initialisation.

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A.k.a. the 'firmware'.

ashen spindle
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lots of driver changes since the rdna switch so idk how well that holds up for modern cards

barren pike
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That is specific to modern cards. That's why Debian finally had to change their policy.

ashen spindle
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well rdna1-3 you also had amd putting LLVM and linux updates out way after hardware release that were needed at start and this time we got them months ahead, so either it was delayed a lot or they have enough people to do that in time so who knows how much changes

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the people who got some only seem to care about reselling so we won't know xD

barren pike
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Oh, those parts are more about the kernel and userland components.

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The firmware is useless of very limited use without all those machine-generated PCIe calls in amdgpu.

pale sigil
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The system is up and running.... Unfortunately I forgot to mention the cooler he had won't work so I'm giving him an aio I had.

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@unkempt lake

unkempt lake
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Hiya

unkempt lake
pale sigil
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@unkempt lake btw it's a 1700

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10700

unkempt lake
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One heck of a wacky mobo failure

pale sigil
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What was weird is the pre builder used 3600 ram on a mobo that could only support 3200

scenic horizon
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anyone else rock a glass mouse pad?

ashen spindle
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pretty normal

scenic horizon
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i started and now i can’t go back i love the glass pad

ashen spindle
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since they likely just ran it at jedec and only ordered one ram bundle they use for every build

digital cliff
scenic horizon
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it’s made a huge different for me i love it!

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i glide 24/7 with my viper v3 pro

leaden kiln
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miku mousepad best pad

steady sail
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true new mousepad from wallhack 👀

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i might gonna pick up one

leaden kiln
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the drops always sell out in minutes, so good luck if you do

digital cliff
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oh classic

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artificially limiting supply because reasons

sharp badger
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Looks nice though

leaden kiln
digital cliff
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I hate limited anything

leaden kiln
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alright

sharp badger
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It depends, like Julmust is nice during christmas

scenic horizon
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i rock the all black razer glass pad i’ve absolutely loved it. got it second hand for 40$

steady sail
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Mine is the best

sharp badger
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Limited 1/1 Catpad

scenic horizon
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i’m usually the same way but i’ve quite enjoyed it

leaden kiln
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I want to try a premium cloth mousepad too, I've only had cheapo ones
had two glass pads but I sold one to a friend

unkempt lake
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Intel 8,9,10th gen no longer supported by 24h2

steady sail
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the goon pad

digital cliff
leaden kiln
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(gl)ass pad

unkempt lake
ashen spindle
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OEMs may use the following CPUs for new Windows 11 devices.

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most normal thing ever that they dont want new pcs using old shit

unkempt lake
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If it works on a device that's already existing... what's the difference between an oem using it and custom build

ashen spindle
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diy marketshare is tiny enough that it doesnt matter

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if you want to put new things out you make the main installbase have things you need for it

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anyway nobody should buy a new pc with that old hardware anyway so who cares

gentle osprey
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someone asked 7900XT or 4070 TI, whats yalls take?

unkempt lake
gentle osprey
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Like $750-800 I think

ashen spindle
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wait the 3 weeks for 9070

unkempt lake
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If you absolutely had to buy one for some stupid reason and they're both the samexprice

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7900xt

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Faster and has more vram

gentle osprey
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I told them to just wait like I originally did lol

unkempt lake
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But for that price it's not a great buy

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They were like... 600usd a few weeks ago

sharp badger
gentle osprey
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its their first build, mainly fps 1080p

sharp badger
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Yes there's other places to look whatevs

digital cliff
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anything's fine for 1080p fps though

gentle osprey
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yeah

digital cliff
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gonna turn all to low and play with playdough graphics anyway

gentle osprey
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yep lol

digital cliff
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I don't get fps players tbh dogenek

sharp badger
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Would like to see how the new AMD cards perform though

gentle osprey
sharp badger
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Not really interested in buying one though

leaden kiln
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also good that a spill won't ruin them
I would be hesitant to get pads with nice artwork because they will stain over time and stuff

unkempt lake
gentle osprey
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since 50 series launch

sharp badger
scenic horizon
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i was one of the lucky ones to get a 5080

leaden kiln
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I mean like a cloth pad with nice artwork I would be hesistant to get

analog sinew
steady sail
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poor soul KEKL

scenic horizon
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went from a 3080 to 5080 and oh has it been amazing!

sharp badger
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Was thinking of building a new PC and making my old one a NAS

scenic horizon
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i got it on the 30th before they price increased too

unkempt lake
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in the xt vs ti thing

sharp badger
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Look at the performance though

ashen spindle
steady sail
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Waiting 9070 xt

unkempt lake
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I didn't see that part

gentle osprey
sharp badger
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Would we expect new X3D chips in the end of this year?

ashen spindle
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you mean the 16 cores? march

unkempt lake
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For an esports player then they should just buy a used 20 or 30 series @gentle osprey

gentle osprey
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nah they mean 10800X3D

ashen spindle
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zen6 wont come this year

unkempt lake
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Games that can literally run on a potato

sharp badger
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9950X3D is march, yeah? but 10800X3D next?

steady sail
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zen6 maybe 2026

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or even later

ashen spindle
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10800x3d end of 26 maybe

gentle osprey
sharp badger
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Hmmm, ok 🤔

digital cliff
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tell em to come asking when they've decided a general ballpark of system Dies

unkempt lake
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Tell em to buy a console

gentle osprey
unkempt lake
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Tell him to buy a steam deck

digital cliff
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haha well i can understand being indecisive, I'm very cautious at buying stuff myself

steady sail
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im just gonna buy a 3050 6gb KEKL

gentle osprey
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ima tell em to get an iphone 16 and play CoD Mobile

analog sinew
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indecisiveness is king

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it stops me from spending

sharp badger
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Same

unkempt lake
digital cliff
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but yeah no point in asking if you haven't even decided how many thousands you wanna spend like

unkempt lake
digital cliff
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pfft have you heard of credit

digital cliff
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it's what carries our economy you know

unkempt lake
digital cliff
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buy more stuff, pay interest!

gentle osprey
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US operates at a deficit lol

digital cliff
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fun and sane!!

unkempt lake
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You end up paying more in the long run

gentle osprey
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We spend money we don't have

unkempt lake
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I don't understand people

digital cliff
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I've bought one thing on credit ever and that was lunch because I had 20€ free credit

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so there is such a thing as free lunch!

gentle osprey
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I barely use my credit cards, for very little things each month just to build it up

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plus I don't like owing money

digital cliff
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yeah you guys have the credit score thing

gentle osprey
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yeah

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stupid af tbh

sharp badger
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The ''Can i afford it'' mindset is just good to have, but even though one can afford it it's just indecisive things hindering spending for me

digital cliff
ashen spindle
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28th is announcement, march 6th is sale so 5th or so we probably have reviews for it online

gentle osprey
sharp badger
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Maybe not indecisiveness but there's other factors like will it add value, why am i buying it, is it the right time etc.

unkempt lake
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VideoCardz.com

XFX RDNA4 GPUs on Amazon AMD Radeon RX 9070 series from XFX have been listed by Amazon, as spotted by hardware and data-miner @momomo_us. XFX Radeon RX 9070 SWIFT White, Source: Bullslab Right off the bat, the cheapest RX 9070 will cost $649.99, while the cheapest RX 9070 XT is or was listed at $749.99. […]

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More pricing leaks

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@ashen spindle hush

ashen spindle
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pricing leaks are fake and guesses at best I will not shush

unkempt lake
gentle osprey
ashen spindle
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we JUST had the 50 series with prices all over the place, at least wait for next gen to forget that prices are decided last minute

steady sail
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750 and 820 is looking better KEKL

gentle osprey
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I call it indecisiveness when you already have all the information you need but still won't make a decision

sharp badger
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Yeah

gentle osprey
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like inaction

unkempt lake
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I'll release this wild animal onto you quin

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Watch out you're playing a dangerous game

gentle osprey
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paralyzed

sharp badger
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The ''X'' series will release soon™️ which is why i can't spend 🤯

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Is just how some people think

unkempt lake
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Just buy when you happen to need it

sharp badger
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For me coming from the 3080 it'd be quite a good upgrade but the games releasing this year just don't justify buying a new GPU

unkempt lake
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Hell when i bought my xtx 6 months after maunch i got told it was "too late to buy one" and to "wait for 50 series from nvidia price will be better"

gentle osprey
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Got my Topre HE switches

rough patrol
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How are they

gentle osprey
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Haven't tried em

reef patrol
gentle osprey
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yet

digital cliff
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me waiting nodders

gentle osprey
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supposed to inform fleimi lol

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he's waiting for me

sharp badger
digital cliff
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for cam to review the raeds

sharp badger
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Ah yeh

unkempt lake
gentle osprey
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I actually got em yesterday but I know most of you don't hangout in the modding channel so wanted to show yall

sharp badger
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Still silent switches, when?

gentle osprey
sharp badger
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Are they good?

gentle osprey
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not perfect but

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decent

sharp badger
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Just want silent stuff that's good

digital cliff
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I'll say it again but haimu whisper/heartbeat HE waiting room

unkempt lake
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XD

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And pets

gentle osprey
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Lol yeah Im mainly in keyboard modding and in here

sharp badger
sharp badger
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Wish that SD2 would have a release date, if it ever will release

ashen spindle
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steamdeck2?

sharp badger
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Yeah

ashen spindle
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if I were to guess end of 26/begin of 27 depending on when zen6 releases so there is a good uplift in cpu and gpu terms

sharp badger
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Probably if the efficiency is reached for Valve

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The urge to spend is too damn high atm. but feels like a waste

ashen spindle
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I guess it could be later depending on how much fo a custom sku valve wants

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but dont see it happening any earlier than that

sharp badger
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Yup

gusty kiln
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Did people not like the vive xr elite?

ashen spindle
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its mostly sold towards business

gusty kiln
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Ah

bright briar
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should my next build be all white? I kinda like my all black build and my ram and gpu are the only thing thats rgb

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idk if i wanna get side eye fooked by white rgb lights

steady sail
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just turn off the RGB

sharp badger
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Was looking at this build just now lol

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Would reuse 32gb of ram and another 1tb ssd

bright briar
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youre not wrong but you pay extra for white parts i feel like that defeats the whole purpose of the all white build

steady sail
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funny thing sometimes white parts cost less then black

gentle osprey
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Tryna sell him my 7800X3D for it

sharp badger
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The ridge would fit perfect at my current desk

steady sail
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i just hope that i can get my hands on a 2 fan 9070 non-xt

sharp badger
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It's just that the 3080 would keep on trucking on until i'd be able to get a GPU, would repurpose my old build for a NAS/storage pc

reef patrol
gentle osprey
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Lol right, I wanna go SFF sometimes but then I hate being limited in part selection

bright briar
sharp badger
gentle osprey
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North is nice

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wanted one of those at one point

sharp badger
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Just Noctua everything

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Like Tak

gentle osprey
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Doesn't everybody do that in the Norths

steady sail
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if that case wouldnt cost like 200$

gentle osprey
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seems like it

steady sail
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oh wait thats the north XL price KEKL

gentle osprey
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I like it tho

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no hate

steady sail
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i like it as well but not the price

gentle osprey
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yeah price is kinda high

sharp badger
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Yeah it's just nice

steady sail
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okay is even higher

sharp badger
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Otherwise i'd just buy T30s

gentle osprey
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I don't like the gold accents tho

steady sail
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its around 240 euro xD

gentle osprey
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wish they were silver or none at all

sharp badger
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I'd go with the white one so Phanteks T30s would be more clean

gentle osprey
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yeah white has silver accents

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don't like that they did gold on the black

steady sail
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Torrent GigaCHAD

gentle osprey
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I get it, just that theme is overdone, everyone always adds gold to black

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gimme silver and black

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or chrome and black

sharp badger
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Torrent was interesting too but then i'd like to passively cool the CPU

rose lynx
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why not go for lian li

sharp badger
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Not interested in those cases

gentle osprey
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otherwise Torrent is nice

sharp badger
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Yup, same

gentle osprey
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and doesn't it have like two 180mm fans on the front?

sharp badger
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Yeah and that is nice to lower RPM

digital cliff
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I care about one thing and one thing only and that's class and only the north passes for a piece of furniture and not a piece of tech

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until someone makes a case that comes close i think north takes the cake every time

gentle osprey
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yeah however kinda stuck with those , not a lot of options for 180mm fans

sharp badger
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Yeah but there's options

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Phanteks should release those 140mm T30 sometime hopefully

gentle osprey
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Yeah Im running 140s in mine rn

sharp badger
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Or a Define? can't really see in your setup

digital cliff
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north yeah

gentle osprey
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I think I didn't get North cause I was worried about GPU clearance

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otherwise I would've got it

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this was before they made the XL

digital cliff
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bought it very soon after it released because it was just so far above anything else in design

gentle osprey
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Yeah it was basically at the top of my list

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but I didn't think my gpu would fit or it'd be very tight

digital cliff
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sadge

sharp badger
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Yeah still the North should suffice for most GPUs

gentle osprey
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yeah I think my GPU is like 357mm

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so 3mm off lmao

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would be very tight

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or no

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2mm over

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says 355mm

digital cliff
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I'm sure you could squeeze that in

sharp badger
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Yeah would have to look at the models, sometimes the ''real'' measurement might be longer with the ''design''

gentle osprey
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yeah wouldve been very tight lol

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or not fit at all

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XL its fine

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but again I was looking at North before the XL

steady sail
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i might just wanna get a bequiet silent base 802 for funsies

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sleeper pc build

sharp badger
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Yeah the XL vs Base is not that bad sizewise

steady sail
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its just such a funky case

sharp badger
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Quite a good design too with how one want to build in it

frozen ingot
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apart from the rounded side profiles it looks pretty understated imo

gentle osprey
modern sphinx
gentle osprey
analog sinew
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is that a psu shroud mesh

gentle osprey
steady sail
analog sinew
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lol

gentle osprey
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Was rated one of the best airflow cases alongside the Torrent in 2023 iirc

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and had a lot of space for gpu so I got it lol

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actually it was 2022

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oop

analog sinew
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sure it probably helps

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but its an odd designchoice

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ig they wanted glass and mesh?

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and this was the way they went with

gentle osprey
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Yeah basically just helps pull more air from the bottom, but also if you have RGB fans then it exposes the PSU and cables underneath, so if you're not a fan of seeing all that then, yeah

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was basically tied with Torrent for thermals

steady sail
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i just want a big case if i ever gonna get a big gpu lol

gentle osprey
#

basically why I did lol

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40 series enters the chat

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and I didn't want to have to worry about cable pressing up against the glass at the time

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until I got a right angled cable

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I just cared about good design for building and hot swapping parts if needed, good airflow, and enough space for big gpu

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and Fractal North was too smol

steady sail
#

i mean my pc case is sitting on the "floor"

gentle osprey
#

wanna get a stand or some sort of rig for it tho

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I have carpet

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thing weighs like 50 pounds lol

steady sail
#

i have some 2x4 under the case with a smash screwed in KEKL

gentle osprey
#

something like this would be alright

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don't like the wheels tho

#

I prefer the solid core wheels

sharp badger
#

I had built a wheel stand waay back, don't use it anymore though

gentle osprey
#

aka rollerblade wheels

sharp badger
#

A desk pc mount would be nicer though or having it mounted to a wall

analog sinew
gentle osprey
#

like attached underneath the desk?

analog sinew
#

can wheel your pc to the kitchen

gentle osprey
#

I've seen those

analog sinew
#

to game while cooking

sharp badger
gentle osprey
#

Wouldn't mind that either

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Guess my idea is relieving weight from the desk tho

spiral island
gentle osprey
#

not looking

gentle osprey
#

yeah that's dope

frozen ingot
#

muh boi

analog sinew
sharp badger
#

Or this, wireless PC

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lol

spiral island
steady sail
#

I tried to fix the cables and after a few days they are back to this so i gave up xd but i dont need a pc case with glass side panel

analog sinew
gentle osprey
analog sinew
#

towards the bottom of the case

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dripping

frozen ingot
#

I got the glass panel version bc the price difference was negliable

distant tapir
#

Wireless fans?!

steady sail
gentle osprey
#

yeah thats my thing with floor PCs too, is I don't think I'd want glass panel

sharp badger
#

Yeah, wireless fans are kinda trippy

gentle osprey
#

but I don't think I'd kick my PC either

analog sinew
gentle osprey
distant tapir
#

How long do wireless fans last before you change battery?

gentle osprey
#

they don't have a battery

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idek how they work

#

its magic

distant tapir
#

You charge them?

sharp badger
#

Was thinking of mounting the PC to the wall though

frozen ingot
#

I don't have a single piece of rgb in the case so its only really handy for checking mobo status leds dogekek

spiral island
#

Induction I imagine

analog sinew
#

i just discovered how fun it is to take off the top cover of the north

spiral island
#

Never heard of them before but magic is just science we don't understand 🤷

gentle osprey
# distant tapir You charge them?

The UNI FAN SL Wireless series has made another revolutionary breakthrough in making cable management easier and unifying controllers across different devices. The UNI FAN SL Wireless utilizes a 2.4 GHz wireless signal to control its lighting effects and fan speed to further improve your PC building experience. MIX AND MATCH 1.6” LCD SCREEN L-WI...

spiral island
#

That makes a lot of sense 😆

analog sinew
gentle osprey
#

lol yeah I didn't look too deep into it but it's just wireless via fan speed and rgb controls

analog sinew
#

ooo fan speen. you guys are running in there

sharp badger
gentle osprey
#

one day they'll be fully wireless

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lol

distant tapir
#

I wonder how long a thick battery could power a fan for

sharp badger
#

We need Sneil GPU holder

analog sinew
unkempt lake
#

I'm curious @gentle osprey have you ever pulled your 12vhpwr

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To check it

gentle osprey
#

I didn't know this was a light at the top

sharp badger
#

Tak saber

gentle osprey
#

power lightsaber

unkempt lake
# gentle osprey Yeah

It's odd seeing more and more posts of people checking em now and they're ever so slightly fucked

gentle osprey
#

yeah mines pristine

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literally cleaned PC like few days ago

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when I installed 9800x3d

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wym

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Oh yeah idk why people do that

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I pulled my GPU out to clean it

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but people who constantly checking, yeah its bad for the connector

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yeah

spiral island
#

I'm very happy with how not on fire mine is, gonna leave it that way as long as possible.

unkempt lake
#

Removing the gpu example adding an nvme

gentle osprey
#

Yeah

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a few times is fine, but I seen people on reddit saying they check every week n shit

#

like at that rate, its def gonna melt

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one day you're not gonna insert it properly

unkempt lake
#

Which talking about nvmes i hate having to remove a gpu to install those

#

Why can't we have sata back but like

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Faster sata

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pog

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i want it

#

will do

gentle osprey
unkempt lake
#

I gotta fill them first

#

I'm at 2/4

gentle osprey
#

same

#

Poverty of Gamers

steady sail
#

im still fine with a single m.2 slot KEKL

#

i need more Sata SSD

gentle osprey
#

Lmao totally forgot I had one of these

#

When we were talking about it I was like wait a second

#

Don’t I have one of those?

#

Just sitting brand new in the box lol

balmy vector
#

I also have one of those from my z690 board

spiral island
#

Apparently you are not one of those who dares

balmy vector
#

A little

frozen ingot
#

"for those who dare" should I be worried it'll brick my pc

gentle osprey
#

I love how ASUS turned into a meme

balmy vector
#

No you should be worried it eats you

gentle osprey
#

I mean every brand has it’s memes ig

balmy vector
#

Asus is more memeable since they steer into the “ultimate gamer” category of products for naming/marketing

gentle osprey
#

Yeah lol

#

They fill that spot of being for the “Ultimate Extreme Gamer”

balmy vector
#

Only other one i know that also is consistent with that is razer lol

gentle osprey
#

And spending more money than necessary

frozen ingot
#

nvidia the dominating ruler of graphics and machine learning hardware still ending up getting its tech gimmicks memed ruthlessly

balmy vector
#

Nothing more memeable to me is razer haptics still

#

HAPTIC HEADPHONE HAPTIC MOUSE

sudden imp
#

Atleast for the higher end chipsets

#

Maybe go a little bit more premium for b850 and such

frozen ingot
#

yes the marketing actually claimed that

balmy vector
#

That’s another

frozen ingot
#

optical kb users gangsta until sunlight enters the room

gentle osprey
#

Don’t forget your ROG keychain

sudden imp
gentle osprey
#

Got those too

sudden imp
#

You cannot forget the absolute amount of stickers you get

gentle osprey
balmy vector
#

Endless amounts of stickers

gentle osprey
#

I have a sticker drawer

#

No

#

Nobody got these tho

#

Limited Edition ThockFather stickers

balmy vector
#

Rare commodity

haughty crest
#

Since we can buy hall effect switches now... Can we build custom keyboards with wooting firmware and custom pcbs?

#

Why?

#

Maybe qmk has the feature of being able to hold down a key... Forgot the name of the feature

#

Not sure if anyone has built PCBs that work with the hall effect switches

ashen spindle
#

yes but its a ton of work so people dont sell it for cheap

#

otherwise what would the point of wooting be if you could just buy switches and put it on random pcbs

haughty crest
#

I wanna build an ergo one

#

Like dactyl

#

But with hall effect

#

I thought there might be something difficult about the hall effect switches that wooting had cornered

#

Or at least manufacturers and not easy custom

#

I'll search for custom built hall effect PCBs

#

So I can install them into a kinesis advantage?

#

It is. So that's what I need to learn. How to build for a HE switch

ashen spindle
#

you would need to write your own firmware to interpret the hall effect signals correctly

tardy tartan
#

can someone identify the monitor in the background

#

thank you

rough osprey
#

😭

modern sky
gentle osprey
unkempt lake
#

furries??????

gentle osprey
unkempt lake
#

that means im a super furry

gentle osprey
#

see it all makes sense

unkempt lake
#

yes

graceful wedge
#

Guys

#

My pc just did what it did before

#

But I figured out how to system restore thanks to my family member

#

So I fixed the issue

#

Now I need to just order a hdmi cord for my 2nd monitor

graceful wedge
#

If I do update drivers again and install amd software, if it shuts off on me again and fans go 100% speed, all I have to do is system restore?

rain jewel
#

any headphone or iem recommendations (lightweight and 100-120$)

bright briar
#

i choked on my water looking at that havo

gentle osprey
#

I honestly looked straight at the monitor, didn't even notice what was going on

#

lil odd

#

without context anyway ig

hexed sand
#

I was wanting to buy the optimum set but idk anything about taking keyboards apart and stuff (other than keycaps) and was wonder if its hard to change the case of the keyboard to the optimum one

#

or if theres a tutorial on it somewhere

graceful wedge
#

Was installing gpu amd drivers but my system crashed

#

So I system restored

#

Just worried about installing the drivers again, don’t want that happening again

jovial ivy
#

Oh nvm sorry never used AMD

digital cliff
cursive summit
#

$7,990 for a 75" is starting to enter the actually purchasable price territory

analog sinew
#

8k?

#

is this what the tv addicts are payin

#

good thing i hate tv

stiff path
#

This program has been amazing for the PCs I use

analog sinew
#

driver updaters are so sussy

cursive summit
#

Yeah I'd just.. update manually

#

Ain't that hard

#

If you don't want for AMD software to control fans, you can use a more reliable software solution for that.. Afterburner? Rivatuner?

reef patrol
#

Those sussy driver update apps came in clutch on OEM laptops.

#

Somehow possible to find really archaic drivers for Toshiba, HP and such for things you don't NEED, but want to install to hide those orange triangles. Like an impact sensor driver that was only for Win7 on the web, but somehow gets installed on 10 😄

#

And then you remove the app and run a malware scanner afterwards. Best of both worlds. fingerguns

analog sinew
#

maybe it can find my monitor driver

#

i have this bungled old second monitor

#

and its driver is nowhere to be found

#

maybe it never had one

digital cliff
#

monitor needs drivers?

analog sinew
#

i hope it does

digital cliff
#

wuh

analog sinew
#

cause it does some weird flickering after it goes to sleep

#

but i never found a way to fix it :D

#

maybe its just too old

digital cliff
#

it doesn't really interact with the pc though

rough osprey
#

Party mode

reef patrol
digital cliff
#

so no driver on the pc side would do anything for it

#

it's rather that drivers go on the gpu and gpu spits out image and monitor just displays it

analog sinew
#

thats just the basic windows monitor driver :D

reef patrol
sharp badger
#

Iiyama 🧐 There seem to be drivers on da web

digital cliff
#

huh maybe newfangled monitors have so many extra features and whatnot to need a driver

halcyon moss
#

Some monitors you can control the brightness like laptop screens

cursive summit
#

The only time I tried using display drivers was then I was trying to figure out why my display was flickering

#

It was something about AMD GPUs doing that and you had to set manual refresh rate or something like that

#

And the display driver was so god awful, straight out of 2000s, some InstallShield Wizard shit

stiff path
steady sail
#

havo i just saw an ad for a Asus Rog Astral 5090 in Hungary for the premium asus price 6500$

#

its not that i wanna buy on ever but still this is bullshit

fair gull
# stiff path Ive used this one for years, it has helped PCs having driver issues. Every PC I ...

ngl i cant comprehend people being unable to open the websites for the parts they bought... and download the driver installers. ancient laptop or pc sure those are hard to find (although i wouldnt trust what you posted either and rely on 3DP personally). programs like driver updaters and cleaning tools like ccleaner have long been known to be near useless and often times just bloatware. i have spent years removing both and more from peoples PCs making them actually run better by simply getting rid of it.

candid halo
#

i just started randomly feeling one of my keys heavier does anyone know what could be wrong?

cursive summit
#

Stick?

#

Just clean them up maybe, lube it up

#

Could maybe use car oil if you don't have switch lube havo

gusty nexus
cursive summit
#

Why'd you even buy a susvara

#

You can buy an Arya Stealth with an insane amp for 1000$ total

gusty nexus
cursive summit
#

There's better things to buy for 6.5k, such as a good vintage car duck_sip

gusty nexus
#

I'm not into car 😅

steady sail
#

im more into guns than cars KEKL

gusty nexus
cursive summit
#

Pretty sure you can with a license across Europe

steady sail
#

either in Hungary but still i love guns more then cars

cursive summit
#

I can get a firearm without too much of a hassle and I'm in Europe lol

gusty nexus
cursive summit
#

Eh, with how things are getting guns are becoming mandatory for safety lol

steady sail
#

in a few years u have ICBM for ur own safety

cursive summit
#

IBM?

steady sail
#

i forgor a letter

cursive summit
#

That doesn't make any sense brother, but okay

steady sail
#

nothing makes sense anyway dude xd

gusty nexus
stiff path
#

But yeah most of them are garbage

steady sail
#

im a type who just installs everything hand by hand

#

for some reason i hate driver installers

cursive summit
#

I don't want any software on my PC I do not use

#

I'm okay running some powershell script that will fetch drivers but I will never install some random shit that leaves shitty empty folders and dead config files on my PC

stiff path
frail panther
undone sun
#

yo should i get the 4070 super or 7900xt im not in need fir the best ray tracing i just want good performance

ashen spindle
#

28th new cards get announced march 6th they are on sale wait for that

undone sun
#

yall mean the 90series by amd right?

ashen spindle
#

yes

steady sail
#

yeha

undone sun
#

ah ok thx

cursive summit
#

If retailers have hoarded AMD cards since at least January or December and have been complaining about it, AMD cards come out and there's still no stock, I swear to god the world is fucked

#

"Screw AMD, they dropped off these cards to us and we can't be bothered to store them!" - points at 10 boxes on a shelf

topaz fog
#

lol back at my first ever job fixing laptops some 10+ years ago they used the sussiest driver updater

cursive summit
#

PC OPTIMIZER PRO

reef patrol
#

Driver Booster
It uhh... boost drives!

fair gull
#

my head canon conflcits with that

nimble arch
analog sinew
#

unstable power can cause issues like that

#

turning down led brightness might help

#

but in the end it sounds like that usb port isnt providing quite enough power

reef patrol
#

Oh Meta....

vapid ruin
reef patrol
#

That's a big chungus 😄

vapid ruin
#

Nice that they're trying

#

Unfortunately their filtering system might filter many of the good literature if it's deemed 'unsafe'.

#

Unless they decide to go uncensored route. Which is great.

topaz fog
analog sinew
#

hard to say. sometimes mobos have ports that are funky

cursive summit
# reef patrol Oh Meta....

I was just watching the GN vid lol https://youtu.be/gthgfuipNRk

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fair gull
topaz fog
#

I started that job as something school set up for me as work experience and they took me on part time :p

fair gull
#

i started mine cause i still didnt have a job after school, the secretary had a son-in-law looking for an employee and the it teacher told her about me.

#

1 week of internship later i was employed fulltime

topaz fog
#

Yes internship work experience similar deal

fair gull
#

8years later i had the courage to tell em off and just quit for a job at wooting

topaz fog
#

Damn you worked there the whole 8 years

#

From leaving school

fair gull
#

tl;dr: i basically ran the entire show sans a few things and got paid minimum wage

topaz fog
#

Bruh

fair gull
#

also hearing the same few changes that are supposedly to be implemented soon over 8 years really makes you hate a job

topaz fog
#

I bet they miss you 🤣

fair gull
#

they did try their hardest to keep me

#

including trying to raise my salary

#

wooting just still paid more lol

topaz fog
#

Hah

fair gull
#

but yeah they basically realized what they did wrong after i left and hired 3 more people with my old colleague and flatmate taking over head of repairs

#

at least i left them with a binder of tons of printed SOPs for the weirdest issues i encountered over the years

#

including BSOD debugging steps, how to fix the issues, rebuilding boot partitions on basically any OS and then some more obscure driver stuff

#

also as far as i know they still use software to manage the repair queue i wrote over a christmas weekend like 5 yrs ago

analog sinew
#

:D

#

either it was really good or they really cheap

fair gull
#

its the second

#

the last 3 yrs i monthly pleaded them to buy the digital register and software since it included printer management functions we also desperately needed.

#

we had hundreds of printers at customers. most leasing printers and they all got managed in a spreadsheet

#

but since that was a few grand investment they rather stayed with ancient registers that needed manual price input (no barcode scanning possible) and well spreadsheets/my software

rough osprey
#

tomorrow

fickle ore
#

Problematic Singapore & Taiwan ownership

#

But if Trump is fine with it

ashen spindle
#

none of that makes any sense xD

fickle ore
#

I dont know, it kinda does, why nto?

ashen spindle
#

why would tsmc want to expand into owning fabs that for the vast majority arent compatible with the tooling they use for customers so they could almost only sell wafers to intel until they build new fabs and they do that good enough on their own

#

surely tsmc would gain so much more from ifs failing than they could get from taking it over

fickle ore
#

theres a lot to gain for US/Trump tho, not as much for tsm agreed

#

Im guessing they're extorting them with defense or some shit like they doing with ukraine rn

#

but they'd also gain from avoiding possible 100% tariffs + plants on US soil and expanded production

#

Insight into high-na, backside power delivery, gaafet etc

ashen spindle
#

tarrifs that wont happen because every single person with brain left in the office will tell him that would kill all of silicon valley

#

they have insight into all of that themself

fickle ore
#

yea some, but they havent solved it yet and seeing intel designs would help

ashen spindle
#

you dont know what they have or havent solved yet

fair gull
#

maybe dag is elon musk

ashen spindle
#

and seing that at the massive cost of taking over those fabs that might end up being total duds and a dead business? not a risk I'd take

fickle ore
#

massive cost lol

ashen spindle
#

well yeah you think they get the takeover in whatever deal for free?

fickle ore
#

Intel is ~100B just design alone, how do you even value fabs that dont produce positive income yet with 0 customers. It'd be basically book value + premium so like 20B

#

Broadcom foots the design bill

marsh glade
#

5D chess move here:
TSMC takes over Intel fabs in the US
Drives them into the ground (more than Intel could)
TSMC reinforces its fabs in Taiwan as the only viable production site
Taiwan's Silicone Shield strengthened

ashen spindle
#

how do you value it? the cost of the equipment alone is massive

ashen spindle
#

tsmc doesnt have insane free cashflow to throw at amusing some investors lol

fickle ore
#

They have 2,42 Trillion taiwan dollars at hand per yahoo, that's 74 billon, enough to buy intel fabs fully atleast twice

#

But yeah they dont have enough good reasons yet

ashen spindle
#

that seems way too much?

fickle ore
#

multiple sauces

unkempt lake
#

Honey mustard is pog

fair gull
#

not like replacing a fab is cheap if you have to reorder those tiny machines

primal nymph
#

I was bored had spare parts even a case the pc in the back is my main with a 7800x3d but I had spare parts so I built this abomination with a open mine rig frame

#

That’s the case it was originally in

#

Don’t worry I will clean up the cables I’m just installing windows

balmy vector
sharp badger
#

Why can't W11 have week number in their calendar ffs

#

Can go through Outlook but don't want that & also don't want some 3rd party things

reef patrol
#

Oh that's fucking lovely. Edge now defaults to running in the background if closed.

analog sinew
#

microsoft knows you're always edging

marsh glade
#

Microsoft be like

digital cliff
#

or rather they don't use them in the US so therefore Windows doesn't really think to do that

sharp badger
#

Don't take long to look at the phone or tablet but just would be nice to have in Windows

digital cliff
#

I'm clueless about week numbers myself but everyone around me insists on using them

sharp badger
#

Just feels easier to plan when talking about weeks & then specify with date if there's some deadline or whatever

pale sigil
#

So all they did was enable it

reef patrol
#

Yes - Without asking 😄

unkempt lake
#

Crazy seeing steam let malware on its service

halcyon moss
unkempt lake
#

Idk what checks steam uses internally

#

But im curious now

marsh glade
#

The fact that this is newsworthy is pretty amazing for Steam to be honest

#

The sheer volume of data downloaded onto such a massive number of systems around the world

balmy vector
#

How many calories would that be?

marsh glade
#

At least twelve

balmy vector
#

Sign me up

fair gull
#

so silly me was ranting about firefox still not doing PWAs in 2025 but....

#

they now wanna start supporting it

leaden kiln
#

finally

#

are they doing webusb/webhid too Copium

fair gull
#

nope

#

also not promised full PWA support

#

just initial implementations

#

yeah as discussed a day or more ago as well its a BS claim cause they could just implement it securely

digital cliff
#

what is pwa

leaden kiln
#

progressive web app

fair gull
#

progressive web apps

digital cliff
#

doesn't help me

fair gull
#

basically a website that functions like aprogram as its offline available

#

it installs into local storage and can thus be used even without internet after visiting it once online

digital cliff
#

what the

fair gull
#

wootility is also a PWA

#

if you visit wootility once it is then after available offline as well

leaden kiln
#

I like to use pwas for my peripherals so I can pin them to the taskbar, so would be cool to have that in ff, I just have a chromium browser alongside ff right now

fair gull
#

well one day apparently

#

although it would still need to get webhid/webusb

#

so saving data to a keyboard or mouse is not possible yet

#

unless they have some driver that doesnt need usb access to communicate with the device like a websocket

#

imo PWAs are the way forward for anything that doesnt need hardware access outside of USB

#

no downloading apps, no windows store or such, open url on any os and it works

#

itll probably get the enshittification treatment though the more it gets used

crimson wigeon
#

Yeah I know someone here wrote a thing to plug in support for that

fair gull
#

i still think FF should just cut the BS answers of security issues. Especially after they and Apple agreed both could have just implemented it in a more secure way but provide the same functions

crimson wigeon
fair gull
#

its fine if it just doesnt get implemented for ages but just say we will make a more secure implementation in the future

crimson wigeon
#

(tldr: native app that communicates with a web extension, so you can do literally anything)

fair gull
#

na thats too easy

crimson wigeon
#

See that won't do because when people are inevitable told they have to enable it they won't read any of the text

marsh pewter
#

it is pretty crazy that a fake game got through like that though, but theres bound to be at least one that slips through the cracks.

fair gull
#

not really

#

iirc only the initial app submissions is reviewed not every patch

#

and there is no real limit to how shit of a game you can submit.

zealous storm
#

I dont know where to write but i need help, after updating my wooting 60he+ the rgb suddenly died and now the keyboard seems dead. Doesnt type or register anything, is there a way to restart it or what should i so?

#

I cant, cant get to the site without the keybaord right now

#

Saw the the video about restoring and its now fixed. Thanks for the respons Takyon

fickle ore
#

@gusty kiln check hims lol

gusty kiln
#

hims?

fickle ore
#

yee

gusty kiln
#

what about it?

pale sigil
#

Sheesh hyper 212 is pricy now

#

Thermalright Assassin King 120 SE is apparently a beast

gusty kiln
#

waiting to see their royal line get tested

pale sigil
#

Rate my network out of 1

balmy vector
#

0.8

pale sigil
#

Well, my 2.5gb devices are plugged into the router as it has 5 ports

cosmic thunder
somber coral
#

yo guys, I'm looking for a mice thats sub 60 grams for less then 40 cad, and im fine with it being used does anyone have reccomendations?

steady sail
#
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Sapphire has new NITRO+ motherboard with AMD 800 chipset Not X870 or X870E, though.  Sapphire is introducing its first 800-series motherboard. The B850M NITRO+ is essentially a refresh of the B650M NITRO+, with both motherboards looking nearly identical and featuring only minor updates to the specifications. However, for gamers who may pair Sapp...

magic minnow
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My friend bought a 4060 did he cook or flop?

trim crane
gentle osprey
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Just depends on what their goals are

magic minnow
digital cliff
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flopped for buying at a time when there's GPUs set to release in a few weeks

analog sinew
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lets see if amd has stock

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:D

cedar fog
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I'm sure he will be happy with a 4060 on monster hunter wilds

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not like that game will run particularly better for anyone

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pretty sure it's heavily CPU bound

analog sinew
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the game just doesnt run well

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so sad :c

cedar fog
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I highly doubt the patches they have for launch are gonna do much

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it's just typical game development company bullshit nowadays

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atleast dlss 4 will be better than running dlss 3 tho

analog sinew
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yeah mobody gives a flying fuck about making a game run well or they are just incompetent at it

fathom venture
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CPU- 9800x3d.
Gpu-5090.
Motherboard- godlike x870e.
Ram- g skill z5 neo rgb 64 gb 7200mts.
Storage- crucial t705 2 gb nvme.
Case- hyte y70 touch.
Custom water loop.
Psu- Sunflower 1200w platinum.
Monitor- 240hz qdoled 4k Alienware 32 inch curved.
Mouse- g pro super light 2.
Keyboard- wooting 60he.
Headset- using my old ones.

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@gentle osprey Yh done

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Can I cost cut somewhere without losing any performance, I just want it to be overkill for anything

reef patrol
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I mean... that PSU is overkill and then some 😄

fathom venture
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I mean how?

reef patrol
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It's about.. what 350W over what a 5090 would need.

fathom venture
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Bro 5090 needs 550

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And I was planning to go for 850, the guy who was going to build it for me said it’s not enough

analog sinew
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1000 is enough

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550 gou, 150 cpu, then theres 300 for mobo n shit

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thats enough ^^

fathom venture
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Superflower costs like 100-150 bro

rough osprey
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lets hope its good at handling spikes

fathom venture
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Even Corsair

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I need the cost cutting somewhere else, 5090 costs like 4.2 rn, that’s just stupidity

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I am waiting for it to go down

gentle osprey
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Motherboard

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Don’t need a godlike

rough osprey
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what u need that motherboard for ye

fathom venture
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Overclocking

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Looks cool innit

gentle osprey
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There’s other motherboards that are just as good at overlocking

analog sinew
fathom venture
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Yeah somewhere else

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I was planning to go for carbon wifi

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Costs half the price

reef patrol
gentle osprey
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You really don’t have a lot of places to cost cut besides case, PSU, mobo, and ofc cpu and GPU but I doubt you wanna change those

reef patrol
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If money is an issue, maybe compromise on the loop for now?

fathom venture
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True, but that’s a 400 dollar case

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Money isn’t the issue right now, I just want the 5090, and if I can’t get it for 2-2.5k I’ll just cost cut

gentle osprey
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Money shouldn’t be an issue when building something like this tbh

fathom venture
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4.2 for a gpu seems ridiculous to me

gentle osprey
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It is

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Don’t pay a scalper

fathom venture
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Yeah

gentle osprey
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Get it for msrp

fathom venture
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100%

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But when will the stocks come out

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Also what would you recommend

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5090 astral?

gentle osprey
fathom venture
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Yeah

gentle osprey
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I have the Hero rn

fathom venture
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Is there any better choice for the same price

gentle osprey
fathom venture
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True

gentle osprey
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MSI has the best ones rn

fathom venture
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800$ for 5 more frames

fathom venture
rough osprey
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X870E Taichi seems to be good

gentle osprey
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Best thermals and noise levels

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So far

reef patrol
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Noise levels? This is water cooling. There's no noise from a PCB 😄

gentle osprey
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Huh?

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I’m talking the air cooled version

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Not LC

reef patrol
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Which is... irrelevant? Since Cemal wants to budget for custom watercooling.

fathom venture
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I think he’s talking about my custom-

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Yh

gentle osprey
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Oh I thought he’s just cooling his cpu

reef patrol
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What an absolute waste of money that would be. Building a custom loop for just a CPU 😄

gentle osprey
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Some people waste money shrug

fathom venture
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😭

balmy vector
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Custom loop for only ram pepesalute

fathom venture
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It’s gpu and cpu custom loop

balmy vector
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Maximum money waster technique

rough osprey
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if u want max performance 🤷‍♂️

fathom venture
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Even though 9800x3d doesn’t need any cooling

gentle osprey
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It doesn’t

fathom venture
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Of that sort

gentle osprey
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You’re already wasting money so to speak

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So what does it matter

rough osprey
fathom venture
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I don’t think there’s any benefit at all though

rough osprey
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tiny ones

fathom venture
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I’ll drop the custom loop for now then

gentle osprey
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Then my MSI comment becomes relevant again

balmy vector
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What a comeback

fathom venture
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Which one?