🔌│tech

[ashen spindle]

The link was found on the NVIDIA page that was supposed to go live at 15

[latent mural]

Then just dont decide for it.
And resist

[rough osprey]

interesting

[wheat yacht]

Damn Nvidia fr a mess

[marsh glade]

Don't know what the French branch of Nvidia has to do with it

[rough osprey]

their fault

[analog sinew]

the nvidia side imploded immediately for me

[tawdry ferry]

Lol that's not even the scummiest part of the card. They did the same tactic they tried on 4080 cards before they revised it. The 5080 isn't a real 80 series card... It's a 70 series card.... People are coping hard right now. Paper launch with the same dumb tactics as before but people will eat it up anyways and I'm here for all the misery lmao. Gamers are spineless creatures who seek endless instant gratification. Barely any smart consumers in this space.

[ashen spindle]

Sorry but that’s not how it works, only looking at cores and say it should be a 70 instead of an 80 doesn’t make sense

The cores depend on the die size and how yields pan out

You can’t just put a random amount of cores and bandwidth together to make it somewhat in line percentage wise to some arbitrary flagship config

[fair gull]

cant cores also just be more efficiently designed gen to gen so less cores can still outperform more old cores

[ashen spindle]

Yes

[vagrant pagoda]

That's the hardest part lol

[vagrant pagoda]

What the 4080 was a scam because it wasn't he 4080s?

The super is like 2% faster lol

The only thing good about the super was the price cut.

Try to make up a better analogy next time bud.

[magic minnow]

Thank you but fuck you basically

[digital cliff]

how is it that expensive

and how have you kept paying for it for 9 years

[magic minnow]

My family uses it

[vapid ruin]

Damn, pre tax too

[balmy vector]

Gotta tell them to pay the netflix rent

[marsh glade]

You've paid Netflix a 5090 in subscription fees

[magic minnow]

I also pay for Hulu and Disney plus

[balmy vector]

Thats a lot of services

I only buy discord nitro for my funny emotes

we all get to that point

[bold coyote]

business expense nitro

[balmy vector]

[bold coyote]

and the streaming? or the twitch stuff?

[marsh glade]

This is the way

[balmy vector]

I gotta go finish getting my godzilla items in fort so i can unsubscribe from their thing

[fair gull]

https://tenor.com/view/book-of-boba-fett-the-mandalorian-this-is-the-way-the-book-of-boba-fett-mandalorian-gif-24825263

i see they added new badges again

[balmy vector]

reddit gold level but even more silly

[fair gull]

if only theyd work on important and interesting stuff instead of this bs

[balmy vector]

oh its EVEN WORSE

[fair gull]

yes

[bold coyote]

I still dont like em hahaha

[balmy vector]

thanks discord

[fair gull]

hahahaha

[balmy vector]

VALORANT

[fair gull]

ngl the old ones were less cringe

[bold coyote]

you dont even see them unless you click on the first nitro badge on the profile like why

[balmy vector]

yeah those old ones are far better

[fair gull]

its a small version

you can technically tell the badge from this

[bold coyote]

yeah but still

[topaz fog]

any online service saying "congratulations for giving us a lot of money" always rubbed me the wrong way

[balmy vector]

next theyll make it so you can show your badges on your name when you send messages, trust

[digital cliff]

if I could I'd turn off all badges from my profile

[fair gull]

na i saw rn they work on black and midnight themes for desktop

as well as resizable channel list so you can make it wide or less wide

[topaz fog]

people rly buy and sell discord accounts for badges it's sooo sad i was shocked when i found that out

[fair gull]

maybe even collapse it fully

oh and they wanna bring back swiping left to open member list on mobile

so you can choose if its reply or member list

[balmy vector]

Finally

Reverting to the old stuff is the best updates for discord

[mortal swallow]

im tryna fix my brothers pc cause his cpu runs hot and has high voltage while using, how should i go with undervolting it because no matter what offsets i try it just crashes (5800x)

[rough patrol]

Blessed day

I was so mad when they did that change

[magic minnow]

I wish

So I can show off Wumpus

[bold coyote]

special badge if you own the official wumpus plush

[balmy vector]

another one if you have their overpriced jersey

[ashen spindle]

What are you trying to fix

They run hot that’s just how they work

If it’s not throttling it’s fine

[latent mural]

My Friend was wondering why his CD Drive wasnt detecting the CD, when I checked he didnt connect it with the mainboard 😭

I tried to explain him how the voltage comes to the CPU, as he asked why you dont connect it with the PSU itself, also trying to tell what role the JFET has, but then I scared him with that electrical engineering explaniation and had to move on

[fair gull]

a cd drive gets its voltage and amps from the psu itself

[mortal swallow]

hes not comfortable with it running that hot

[ashen spindle]

How hot is it running

[mortal swallow]

it peaks at like 77c and its constantly over 1.4v

[latent mural]

Not CD Drive, next statement is about CPU
he asked why we dont have a CORD to the CPU itself

[fair gull]

i mean

you do

lol

[mortal swallow]

not even 1.4 its like 1.425v+

[latent mural]

TO THE CPU

[ashen spindle]

Thats completely fine those cpus can run at 90C all day

[latent mural]

On the CPU

[analog sinew]

then he is worried over nothing

[latent mural]

Like ON the CPU itself

[mortal swallow]

the voltage is the problem though especially when hes playing like intensive games the clock speeds dip like 600-700

[ashen spindle]

no that’s just how the cpu works

Do not try to adjust numbers on electrical hardware when you don’t know what they mean, that will just break things

[mortal swallow]

its supposed to throttle at 90c but it throttles way cooler than that, thats what im talking about its killing performance on more intensive games

[ashen spindle]

No it doesn’t thermally throttle if it doesn’t reach like 90+ c

the CPU’s use a deterministic boost algorithm that gives you the highest safe clock at a given load

[fair gull]

so you went from cd drive connection to cpu power to JFET (somehow)

[mortal swallow]

when i forced the voltage to be at 1.35v constant it performed way better but it started crashing, thats what im talking about

[ashen spindle]

If your load is heavier aka more stuff happens in games it lowers clocks that’s normal behavior

[mortal swallow]

its throttling itself and i ahve no idea why

[ashen spindle]

Yeah it limits clocks so it doesn’t crash

[spiral island]

Crashing != throttling

[quiet beacon]

yo

my wooting is stuck on fn mode

[ashen spindle]

If you change parameters and see unstable results, then the stable version is because it makes sure it doesn’t crash

[quiet beacon]

help pls

[mortal swallow]

okay its hard to explain what im talking about because you guys are thinking of something different than what im talking about

[spiral island]

You probably have a Fn lock key bound. Press it.

[mortal swallow]

it physically slows down the cpu, like i mean everything the performance is so much worse

[ashen spindle]

What temps does it reach

[latent mural]

No I had two statements,
he asked why his CD drive isnt detecting his disk when he didnt connect the sata cord to the mainboard.

Next statement/message

He also asked me why there is no direct connection from the PSU to the CPU, like with the GPU.
I also explained him that, then he asked me some more questions and I later explained him what a JFET does which is build in the Mainboard

[mortal swallow]

it never goes over 80, which is why im so confused on wtf is going on

[ashen spindle]

Then it doesn’t throttle

[mortal swallow]

it like physically kills itself over 1.4v

for example, i tested in cinebench and it was like 200 score lower when i left the voltage free

[ashen spindle]

What games are it, do they put full load on cpu so responsiveness drops

[quiet beacon]

what would that be

i dont know what it is

[spiral island]

I can't know, look at your key binds in wootility

[fair gull]

i havent heard of mainboards using jfets but sure

[latent mural]

I think MOSFET

[quiet beacon]

yeah man i magically bound a random fn bind!

[fair gull]

yeah well they work different

mosfet isnt jfet

[latent mural]

Yes Ik

[ashen spindle]

Yeah because it thinks it can clock higher but clearly isn’t stable due to you messing around with numbers

[analog sinew]

well then dont fix the issue ig

[mortal swallow]

heavily modded skyrim seems to take a toll on it, along with val, cs etc

[analog sinew]

pretty sure it has one by default

[latent mural]

Wait, my electrical engineering prof said MOSFET is a JFET

i might have it on an ote

[mortal swallow]

it dips so much fps in val specifically when i leave it uncapped

[quiet beacon]

so no one knows the default fn lock key?

[fair gull]

no they work different. the only common thing is they are both FETs

[spiral island]

Oh that was sarcasm? There isn't one by default.

[ashen spindle]

Set a cap then

[mortal swallow]

idk, ive gotten it to be semi stable with offsets but i cant figure out which offsets dont make it eventually crash

[ashen spindle]

Because changing the default behavior could be stable for 10 minutes then crash randomly

[mortal swallow]

it only ever crashes when its idle lmfao

[analog sinew]

i thought there was mb

[ashen spindle]

Makes sense if you don’t adjust the voltage curve and just punch in random numbers

Idle has big voltage spikes when anything kicks it out of idle or in

[latent mural]

Wait JGFET i think

she wrote on my paper MOSFET under JGFET

i dont have the actual paper, but it was uploaded online

[mortal swallow]

i tried multiple i just cawnt for the life of me to get it stable shits pisssing me off

i have a 5800x at my house on a test rig and it doesnt function the same

the one on my test rig the voltage offsets work fine

[spiral island]

Hm, I might be wrong. Best if they look at their keymaps and find out 🤷

[ashen spindle]

Yeah and you won’t get it stable because you don’t know which voltage numbers do what and every cpu is different

[mortal swallow]

im thinkin his cpu might be tweaked or sum

[ashen spindle]

No that’s normal variance

[mortal swallow]

usually -20 though is safe and stable on every cpu ive ever tested

[ashen spindle]

That’s why stock settings exist because they ensure everything works

[mortal swallow]

this is the only cpu ive had problems with when trying offsets

[ashen spindle]

If -20 would work on every cpu that would be stock

And if it only crashes under certain load like idle you’d need to adjust LLC

But none of that will fix anything if the temps are fine and it just lags from being 100% cpu loaded so the inputs or whatever you do don’t get processed as fast

[mortal swallow]

yea idk this whole situation is some major fuckery

[fair gull]

yes mosfet is whats commonly used. some say misfet or jgfet or igfet

[ashen spindle]

If the game pits 100% load on the cpu and you do something then the input you do gets queued up and happens later

[mortal swallow]

maybe its another part of his pc thats causing it to like freak out

[ashen spindle]

No this is normal cpu behavior

[mortal swallow]

its not acting normal to any other cpu ive had

[ashen spindle]

You just don’t listen to me explaining what’s happening lol

[latent mural]

I sometimes mistake this, my bad xD
jfet/jgfet

[mortal swallow]

they dont act like this ever

[fair gull]

idk how you could as both work completely different

[mortal swallow]

i liteally have had multiple different 5800x's i know how they perform they dont perform THAT much different from each other

[ashen spindle]

That’s called silicon lottery. You have that much variance in budget chips (desktop chips are leftovers from server chips)

[latent mural]

Because i havent used anything towards that so far rn, and i learned other stuff, had to work with operational amplifier

[vagrant pagoda]

Not always, depends on how the chips scale

[latent mural]

where they thought i am dumb because I asked how is the resistance infinity, as it cant be, but then they just said its called infinity, even tho its just in higher megaOhm area

[ashen spindle]

Yes but in this case it’s well within the norm

[vagrant pagoda]

Sometimes server chips clock poorly but take less voltage

Not every bit of silicon scales with voltage well

Leaky chips generally clock higher if kept cool

[ashen spindle]

5800x specifically are known to run hot and take 1.4x Volt

[mortal swallow]

im tryna explain that this specific 5800x is running wayyy differently than other ones ive had

unless this cpu specifically got shit on in the lottery

[ashen spindle]

Desktop chips in general are made form leakier bins

Yes it’s still within the norm of a 5800x

It’s a dense 8 core with leaky bins, so many people on Reddit and discord talked about how they saw high temps and voltage and weren’t sure but stock behavior hasn’t killed any of noe throttled as long as temps were fine

[mortal swallow]

i think i just fixed the problem

hold on i gotta test in a benchmark

[vagrant pagoda]

Dense? They are all the same density.

[leaden lake]

discord nitro ranked

[mortal swallow]

yeah okay i fixed the problem

it was the gpu

[ashen spindle]

Heat density is higher than on a 5600x or similar

[mortal swallow]

i swapped it with a 970 i had laying around and the 5800x is working normally

it has the same volt and temmps but it runs wayyy better

[ashen spindle]

Is it running into a gpu bottleneck now?

Because then you don’t need to swap gpu just run a frame limit

[mortal swallow]

a 3080 so i was like 100% certain its not a bottleneck

i still dont think it is, i think the gpu is somehow fucking with the cpu though

its running perfectly fine after swapping gpu

[ashen spindle]

What is the cpu load before and after

[mortal swallow]

im gonna put the 3080 in my current pc and see if it does anything

[mortal swallow]

when bench marking its the same at 100% but it actually clocks at 5ghz and runs way better

[leaden lake]

i remember having a 5800X and i got a faulty unit which you couldn't cool down at all when it was at boost clocks

[mortal swallow]

alright i threw the 3080 in my build and my cpus running the same, im so lost

i have a 7800x3d so maybe the situation is a bit different but im so lost

[ashen spindle]

I mean that just really sounds simple, put the 3080 back, set a fps limit for what it reaches with the 980 and the cpu should behave the same

Stronger gpu means more load on the cpu and it reads like in this case it’s just too much to not get limited then

[leaden lake]

what resolution do you run?

[mortal swallow]

i cant tell if this is wrong but these drivers seem to be outdated by like 2 years

[ashen spindle]

Why are you asking me I’m not the one with the issue

[mortal swallow]

the graphics drivers

[leaden lake]

my bad i didn't notice

[mortal swallow]

yeah these drivers are like hella outdateddd

im gonna try updating them and see if that fixes anything

i doubt it but it doesn't hurt to have them updated anyways

[steady sail]

https://x.com/highyieldYT/status/1885336060269609385?t=djaA2ECf9bAKx4XxqYFJmQ&s=19

High Yield (@highyieldYT) on X

We now have confirmation that the entire European supply of RTX 50 FE cards was scalped by bots before the official launch. @PCGH_Redaktion tracked down the creator of the bot and his discord server. IMHO, all orders need to be canceled and @NVIDIAGeForce should look for a new

X · Jan 31, 2025, 2:35 PM

[ashen spindle]

I mean it’s nvidias fuckup but the store shouldn’t have to deal with that mess

[mortal swallow]

ok so updating the drivers completley fixed the issue

[ashen spindle]

Nice

[mortal swallow]

idk why he didnt do that before handing it off to me but whatever

💀

[ashen spindle]

Yup that’s why I don’t do tech support for family

Or at least not for extended family I should say

[mortal swallow]

well hes a room away from me so its not that bad

[ashen spindle]

Fair

[sudden imp]

Wow

I hope people stop buying these scalped cards because it will always only encourage this behavior

[digital cliff]

they won't though so

[sudden imp]

I do think with cards getting more pricy at MSRP I don’t think they’ll get as many sales

[ashen spindle]

They will

There like at best 300 5090s that got sold

And like a million+ people that want one

[analog sinew]

ebay should just ban these people

[ashen spindle]

Doesn’t work either sadly

„You abused another site being bad to get something so you can’t sell here“ isn’t really something that works even if it should

[pale sigil]

This doesn't affect the UK does it?

[ashen spindle]

Doesn’t matter, it would’ve been gone in one second anyway xD

If the uk even got any FE models

[old marlin]

should be a bit more

but not by much

i'd guess prob somewhere ~500 +/-100

[analog sinew]

yea i know. would just feel a lil better

its so sad these assholes just grabbing them up for some money

[ashen spindle]

Given that all of Texas had like 100? Doubt it

[old marlin]

microcenter had a total of ~235 or something

but that is just US

[ashen spindle]

Exactly

[old marlin]

and also just microcenter

[ashen spindle]

So the eu isn’t getting more lol

Only microcenter has FE cards

[old marlin]

there will be a few more at other US retailers + some for the EU and nvidia directly

[ashen spindle]

No

[old marlin]

ah

[ashen spindle]

NVIDIA doesn’t sell directly

[old marlin]

only FE cards

yea I meant total ~500 5090s

[latent mural]

People try to get their hands on the 5090 like it would be some sort of miracle sent down to mankind by god

pretty funny to see how far the consumption society has come to such point

that this is just getting normal with the time

[mortal swallow]

what's like the best 1080p GPU that's worth it if your playing in 1080p only? I know technically you could say 5090 but ykwim

my friend only plays 1080p and he wants to like max out his build for specifically 1080p

[fair gull]

4060 prob

1080p is mainly cpu limited from what i know

[ashen spindle]

Yeah something around 4060/7650xt on amd side

[leaden lake]

Bro 5090 Suprim costs 81k CZK wh ich is 3215 euro

what are these prices man

[balmy vector]

[tawdry ferry]

Lol, go back and look at what they tried to do for the 4080 launch and what they had to immediately change due to backlash. They tried renaming the 70 series to a 4080 before backlash came and immediately walked it back. They're doing it with the 5080 and I guess no one is batting an eye so it's again.... Normalized which is why I say gamers are so spineless.

[vagrant pagoda]

The 16gb never changed

[halcyon moss]

Gamers are also Whiners

[vagrant pagoda]

They just unlaunched the 12gb and relaunched as 4070

[ashen spindle]

no this is different, the 4080 was an issue because they had two different dies, AD103 and AD104 and they tried to make a big difference not seem big by using the same name

[tawdry ferry]

Anywho, I'm just a nobody rambling about graphics card on the Internet lmfao. The computer space and where it is at should totally tell you what their consumers are okay with.

[ashen spindle]

the 5080 is still the almost fully enabled GB203 die

[halcyon moss]

Performance per money is all that counts

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes but the 16gb 4080 never changed

[ashen spindle]

the fact the hardware made less progress is not related to the naming scheme in this case

[halcyon moss]

Not the name

[vagrant pagoda]

It isn't a 70 class card

The 4080 super is barely faster, it's only good feature was 300 dollar price drop

[ashen spindle]

the naming for ages on nvidias side has been based on the actual silicon dies and this time its the same there just is much less of an uplift due to the same node and similar architecture

there is a lot to complain about when it comes to nvidia but this isnt it

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes but nothing about the 4080 was ever scammy or trying to pass of a 70 as an 80

[ashen spindle]

the 12gb was

[vagrant pagoda]

It's still a good card, the price was just high

Which never released

[ashen spindle]

correct

because people complained, hes not talking about the card that released as the 4080

[vagrant pagoda]

But the 16gb 4080 always existed, they didn't change it.

[ashen spindle]

nobody talked about the 16gb

[vagrant pagoda]

They said "what they did with the 4080 before they revised it"

[ashen spindle]

he's talking about the 12gb version since thats the one they walked back on

[vagrant pagoda]

The 4080 16gb never got a revision.

[ashen spindle]

hes not talking about a hardware revision

thats just how he called that whole renaming

[vagrant pagoda]

But the 5080 doesn't have 2 versions

And isn't super cut down

[ashen spindle]

sigh yes and nobody said it has

[vagrant pagoda]

That is literally what they said in the message I responded to

[ashen spindle]

thats the whole point, from silicon die version it makes sense, if you look at it from performance or relative core counts to the fulll die, then it would

no hes not talking about it being a gb203 cutdown but cut down from gb202

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J72Gfh5mfTk

here thats what most of it comes from

(and I disagree with tim due to what I said earlier)

but from a pure performance point it makese sense and thats why people are mad, but from the actual technical reason it's not how it is

but if someone clearly doesnt get the correlation of individual dies and the naming you cant assume they know how exactly things are split up

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes so it isn't even comparable as the 12gb 4080 was the same die as the 16gb just lasered off

So it isn't comparable

[ashen spindle]

refer to this

you know how these things are split up, most people dont, so you cant argue assuming people have the same knowledge about it

[vagrant pagoda]

That doesn't make me wrong if they don't understand what's going on

[ashen spindle]

they just saw they tried to name a 4070 as a 4080 and performance wise the 5080 seems similar

yes I'm not saying you are wrong

but you're inferring points that he never made

[vagrant pagoda]

The real reason the 5080 to 5090 gap is so big is AMD and Intel have no competition

[vagrant pagoda]

They literally compared the 5080 to the 4080 12gb controversy.

[ashen spindle]

yes

[vagrant pagoda]

How am I inferring that incorrectly

The 5080 isn't comparable to the 4080 12gb

[unkempt lake]

in the end

[vagrant pagoda]

As there is no cut down

[unkempt lake]

It doesn't fucking matter

Card is disapointing

The end

[ashen spindle]

here you clearly inferred they were talkind about the hardware revision not the naming etc.

[unkempt lake]

Like legit

[vagrant pagoda]

Also idk how it's disappointing, more frames, same MSRP, less power, more features

[unkempt lake]

Who gives a fuck about the naming

[unkempt lake]

1 more feature compared to 40 series

MFG

[ashen spindle]

and yes it isnt comparable because there is not a cutdown die but if he doesnt understand that then there isn't a point arguing about it

[analog sinew]

those things are true but for how long it took, it's a weak upgrade

[ashen spindle]

basic consumer advocacy, wanting consumers to not get mislead?

[analog sinew]

but nvidia can just do that 🙃

[vagrant pagoda]

There is a ton more to Blackwell other than newer frame gen

[ashen spindle]

remember most people are dumb and thats not an excuse that you could use to say they deserve worse deals

[vagrant pagoda]

How is it misleading?

[ashen spindle]

I'm not saying the 5080 naming is, but naming in general

[unkempt lake]

I mean it's not like GT1030 DDR3 levels of misleading

[vagrant pagoda]

It is the new architecture, it is the full fat high-end consumer die, and it's not cut fown

[ashen spindle]

I think its fine to call it a 5080 and was just responding to dashi that naming is not irrelevant

[vagrant pagoda]

That means it's a 5080

[unkempt lake]

I mean... it's still fairly simple to understand

5 is generation 80 is tier within that generation

I don't really see how the 5080 name is misleading

[ashen spindle]

thats literally what ion and me have been trying to explain, it's not

[unkempt lake]

In the case of something like the 1030 ddr3 edition that never said it on the box

It's fucking misleading

But this isn't that

[vagrant pagoda]

The 4080 12gb was almost fraud 100%

[ashen spindle]

guy said its misleading, me and ion explained why its not misleading and the rest has just been arguing about what knowledge to read from his posts and what he refered to as comparison

[unkempt lake]

Ah

I did just join the convo I didn't realize yall were in agreement with esch other

Lmao

[ashen spindle]

...

[unkempt lake]

I need some caffeine i think

It's friday

Brain tired

[analog sinew]

Moumouffeine

[vagrant pagoda]

More coffee more better

[unkempt lake]

Ok there i grabbed my suspicious powder of caffeine

Now we can talk

[analog sinew]

MMH

[vagrant pagoda]

Wish I could do artificial sweeteners

Most of them make me want to puke 😦

[latent mural]

When I used to smoke cigarettes a long time ago, I tried a vape and i instantly puked because of the taste

[unkempt lake]

Strange for me artificial sweeteners tend to taste better than natural. Natural sweetners taste TOO sweet for me

[latent mural]

Some of these strong artificial flavours make me puke too

[unkempt lake]

Like the feeling of real sugar in drinks making my mouth tingle

It feels strange

[vagrant pagoda]

I can't tell the taste of some of them, it's the after taste

[latent mural]

idk if it was because the girl was just abusing the vape, but it was just so nasty the taste

[vagrant pagoda]

Like coke zero, like 10 seconds after tasting it I dry heave

[latent mural]

I puked on the train station

that was emberassing

[latent mural]

I cant drink any sugar drinks, tastes too weird, i only drink water

[vagrant pagoda]

I also don't like very sweet drinks other than iced coffee and sweet tea

[unkempt lake]

Diet coke has a much stronger aftertaste

[vagrant pagoda]

Regular soda is too much

And I hate candy/cake icing/stuff like that

[latent mural]

Kraneberger Water is best water, fresh tap water :d

[vagrant pagoda]

We got real springs so I love that

[latent mural]

If you feel like you wanna have something sweet, mix juice with water

[vagrant pagoda]

Nah I hate water downed drinks

I only do ice when it's super hot

[latent mural]

I legit dont eat candies, but if i want something sweet, i grab a moderate amount of fruits, but if i have like some nice desires, i take like 4 dates

and i am good for the day

[vagrant pagoda]

And even then I don't drink it when the ice melts

[latent mural]

drink tee when its super hot

hot tee

it feels so good and is actually better than cold drinks

[stiff path]

So 5080s looking good

[tawdry ferry]

https://youtu.be/ezk99o67Mh4?si=XSAsCCgIHLbuJCYH. Cope harder

Paper launch, same tactics, people defend it. I'm not here to argue, I'm just watching. It's fantastic watching people lose their minds over a graphics card 😂. The computer space is the way it is because the consumers are okay with it. 2 grand gpu's etc etc. 😂. Not so smart or disciplined, are they?. We went from $500-$600 top tier gpu's to fucking 2k+ (none scalper price) for the top tier cards. Lmfao. Buy more cards, I'm ready for the show 😂

[analog sinew]

who defends it

[stiff path]

On the bright side, 2 years is a long time for Nvidia to realize that massive underwhelming mistake of this gen

Hopefully they make up for it on the 6000 series

Because if its true that deepseek allegedly got gpus from random startups via vendor finance and trumps supposed tariffs… looks like a perfect storm

Jensen might be Icarus to gamers lol

[latent mural]

What are these names

What is deepseep, what is vendor finance, who is trumps tariffs

[stiff path]

Lemme find em

[latent mural]

who is JENSEN and who is icarus

[stiff path]

Haha wow

[latent mural]

I dont get it

I never heard 30% of the words

[twilit elbow]

is there a way to talk to someone on the wooting team?

[stiff path]

Deepseek is a chinese AI company that shows you can run a toned down open source version of your own AI

[halcyon moss]

You already could

[latent mural]

👍 got that one now

[stiff path]

Vendor finance is when the company (nvidia) lends the money to customers to buy their products

[halcyon moss]

To do what?

[stiff path]

Trump is proposing massive tariffs (taxes) on chips from Taiwan

[twilit elbow]

on one of my orders the city that's listed there is wrong

[halcyon moss]

Use the support hub

[stiff path]

Jensen is the ceo of Nvdia

[halcyon moss]

Which I think I can trigger by saying [e-mail]

[viral python]

Are you trying to contact Wooting's customer service? Please use the support wizard!
https://wooting.io/support

[halcyon moss]

[stiff path]

Icarus is a famous fable about a boy who flew too close to the sun because long story short he thought he could over do it

[latent mural]

Thanks bro for actually taking the time to explain it, i wasnt joking but this clearified it, I am just missing out on some of the vocabularies which I cant recall that I ever heard of them before, so just hearing the explanation is already enough, thanks

[reef patrol]

Put the order on hold, if you can't edit the address

Keep in mind that significant address changes are not possible. Tax districts and all.

[stiff path]

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/31/nvidia-ceo-jensen-huang-to-meet-with-trump-at-white-house.html?taid=679d075ce33576000174070b&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter|main

[latent mural]

🤨

This seems weird

[stiff path]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-31/us-probing-whether-deepseek-got-nvidia-chips-through-singapore

Connect the dots

China is sanctioned and yet they were allegedly able to get some special nvdia chips

Who knew what, when, where and how is to be determined

[slate solar]

So who is buying the final meme keeb Tommorow

[latent mural]

Isnt that where this clip comes from
"Are you from the Chinese Government, No i am from singapore, Never heard of singapore"

[stiff path]

Sorry, could you rephrase that, Im not sure what you are trying to say

[balmy vector]

Hes talking about the tiktok representative in court

[stiff path]

Oh didnt get the reference

Anyways, remains to be seen what happens

GPUs already cost a lot

Im not from the us but I can imagine this is not good for prices 😂

[latent mural]

it costs a lot and people go crazy for a gpu

Like this CAMPING for it xD

[thick elk]

There are around 5 cards in stock so there is that.

[ashen spindle]

but deepseek wrote in their whitepaper what they used and it was the nerfed chips, thats exactly why they had to work around all these limitations

[gentle osprey]

The ignorance hurts my brain sometimes

[ashen spindle]

I look away for like 30 minutes from this chat and it feels like I'm reading buzzfeed clickbait headlines lmfao

[gentle osprey]

Bro

[balmy vector]

[stiff path]

Sorry lol

Just reading the headlines

[ashen spindle]

2 years is a long time for Nvidia to realize that massive underwhelming mistake of this gen
like... do you wanted them to just not make new gpus at all? and wait for tsmc to have future nodes ready in 2026/27?

[stiff path]

Bloomberg

[stiff path]

Im just saying the upgrade is underwhelming

[ashen spindle]

deepseek is mostly trained on H800 chips which are H100 chips but with a neutered interconnect

[stiff path]

If you disagree then whelp

Okay

[ashen spindle]

I didnt say its good because its not, but thats just how it works

we didnt get a node jump at all so all the changes are purely from redesign

[stiff path]

Yeah I dont know enough about it

[ashen spindle]

remember intel doing the same for like 5 cpu generations from being stuck on 14nm+++++

[stiff path]

So this is fake news?

[ashen spindle]

no because they say its probing, doesnt mean they found prove or that it did or didnt happen

[vagrant pagoda]

to hot for that here

[ashen spindle]

and even if we assume it did happen, for one we dont konw if nvidia is complicit or didnt know, and even then deepseek r1 was not trained on those gpus, if they have them around

[stiff path]

Thats why I said it remains to be seen

Why would trump slap tariffs on taiwan when he is trying to be their friend?

Onshore production?

[reef patrol]

Trump? Friends?

[vagrant pagoda]

this peep forgetting that toptier has been 1k+ for generations

[ashen spindle]

because trump is deranged and a egomaniac

[stiff path]

So it has nothing to do with on-shoring production?

[ashen spindle]

no he wants to do that as well but it's not like putting tarrifs will just make that happen

tsmc already has fabs in the US and they constantly complain how US workers arent up to standard, regulations dont work and they get blocked from using taiwan talent locally

[stiff path]

Just random bs and wants sloppy seconds after jensen has his way with gamers lol

Lmao

Sorry Im just making myself laugh

[ashen spindle]

there are reasons why intel fell so far behind in foundry business and tsmc is so far ahead currently, just telling them to make a new fab in the US isn't going to magically make that work the same way lmao

[stiff path]

From my understanding and please correct me if im wrong but do the chips still need to go to taiwan for finalizing even after being made in the us?

[ashen spindle]

no, they might need to go to malaysia or india or somewhere for packaging though

depends on the customer and what sort of chip it is

because its not like you can take a chip and just hotglue it to a pcb and its done

[stiff path]

Ok

[ashen spindle]

which in turn also means it could be that the tarrifs are just not happening for some products if they get imported from those countries since its not taiwan made anymore as a final product lol

would depend on how the regulation is worded but it could be just hot air

[reef patrol]

Anyone else have this issue where taking screenshots shows an old frame?

Gotta activate the snip tool twice to get the current one.

[ashen spindle]

win11?

[cursive summit]

That sounds.. familiar

Dunno kind of a small issue so I just ignored it

[reef patrol]

Yarp

[latent mural]

Yes same

[ashen spindle]

no clue then

[cursive summit]

It's a thing yeah, I have it randomly, I think.. when you prolly interact with fullscreen windows?

It's completely random

[reef patrol]

Well... they're technically fullscreen WINDOWED, but sure.

[cursive summit]

Is it a massive issue Mansen?

[reef patrol]

It's annoying 😄

[latent mural]

massive issue like i am

[cursive summit]

You can just download an app like Lightshot that works perfectly

Or alternatives

[cursive summit]

" like i am"?

[reef patrol]

Wonder if this is related.

[latent mural]

yes

[cursive summit]

What do you even mean by that

[latent mural]

its a massive issue, like me

[cursive summit]

Right..

Anyways

[ashen spindle]

could be, but if you disable the flip mode you are back to old windows aka you want exclusive fullscreen or you get the latency and such penalty of rendering as a window

[latent mural]

you dont get it?

[cursive summit]

Intel Q4 results seem.. meh

[latent mural]

the implication is, that i am a massive issue

is my english that bad?

[reef patrol]

I don't recall ever experiencing that as an issue. I am not a competitive shooter gamer 😄

[cursive summit]

They didn't do all that bad but still a loss

[ashen spindle]

it also means if you tab out of fullscreen you could get the flickering or have vrr/gsync not work etc.

[cursive summit]

Does Intel even have a single product coming up that will make them rebound

New CPUs is end of year.. GPUs nowhere near unless B770 but who knows when that will launch

[reef patrol]

I don't play anything in dedicated fullscreen if I can help it. Don't have any kind of sync monitor so also not relevant.

Anyways will try and disable it and see if it helps.-

[cursive summit]

Foundry is quiet we rarely get anything on that front

Intel seems a bit screwed

[ashen spindle]

if panther lake does well laptop and mobile segment will carry them

panther/18A is almost make or break for intel now

[cursive summit]

Well 18A doesn't need to be bleeding edge to get utilized

[ashen spindle]

no it needs to be

[cursive summit]

Maybe some fabless company like Mediatek would print chips on Intel Foundries

That's not impossible

[ashen spindle]

that doesnt make money

not margins they need to sustain it

[cursive summit]

Well.. we'll see how it does

I hope they don't go down under, that'd be beneficial to nobody

[iron wave]

Man, the buzz around browsers not being programmed correctly is really weird.

[distant tapir]

Is Microsoft Edge good? People seem to have a favourably opinion of it. I just switched to it 5 mins ago. It looks nice

[latent mural]

Brave browser bestest

[ashen spindle]

edge is the same as chrome these days

[distant tapir]

That's what I switched from

[ashen spindle]

it uses chromium and just uses some tweaks

[iron wave]

It's just MS Chrome. So yes but your data belongs to Microsoft and Alphabet.

[latent mural]

Adblocker never fails me from brave

[distant tapir]

My data being sold doesn't bother me

[latent mural]

With my data they might send the law enforcement to me xD

[distant tapir]

I just want a sufficiently fast nice looking browser with good support for addons

[iron wave]

Your funeral. (As I use Discord)

[distant tapir]

And Edge seems to fit the bill

[iron wave]

Firefox is pretty good.

[digital cliff]

that's all of them

[distant tapir]

Bagetti

It was annoying to open Brave and see some AI-generated guy sitting in a dojo shilling for crypto stuff

[reef patrol]

Easy to disable.

And less intrusive than Edge going HEY HEY, LOG IN, DO THING, MAKE DEFAULT, ALSO HEY SEARCH ENGINE, OFFICE?

I swear every time I open Edge by accident, it's 5-6 clicks just to use it as a browser. So much shit to dismiss.

[iron wave]

Isn't Brave the one that was stealing ad money or something like that?

[analog sinew]

yea

there was some shit

[reef patrol]

Oh hey. Speak of the devil 😄

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[analog sinew]

cant say i know much. i've been a firefox User from day1

[latent mural]

Edge browser is it good for edging

[iron wave]

Copilot is stupid.

[crimson wigeon]

It's good for going to download another browser

[iron wave]

I was interested in Edge until it became Chrome.

[cursive summit]

cd C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\92.0.902.67\Installer

setup.exe -uninstall -system-level -verbose-logging -force-uninstall

And it'll be uninstalled

Just like I've done

Fuck Edge, all my homies use Firefox

[reef patrol]

Wrong browser.

[distant tapir]

Yes. However now that I have it set as default browser it doesn't bother me anymore 😄

[cursive summit]

I'd refuse to ever harbour any chromium browser on my PC

They're all just plain ass no boobs

[reef patrol]

No you're missing the point. We were talking about BRAVE having crypto ads on the homepage. Not Edge being obnoxious in its own way 😛

[cursive summit]

Not like it's not been done before.. cough Opera GX

[distant tapir]

Can you actually disable the dojo guy? I never managed to

[reef patrol]

Only takes a few clicks. This is my newtab/home page

[cursive summit]

What browser is that

[distant tapir]

Now that's just uggie

[reef patrol]

Vex.... pay attention ffs.

It's Brave 😛

[cursive summit]

Based on the conversation I thought it'd be Brave but I've never used the thing nor I ever will

[crimson wigeon]

Could be worse, could be Opera GX

[cursive summit]

Not as cool as Firefox's home tab

That sleek minimalism

[distant tapir]

I have one big complaint about Windows. The search bar is really bad. It usually does not find the programs I am searching for and instead just gives me annoying "search the web?" answers. Is there a way to improve this?

[reef patrol]

Sure. Disable web search.

[distant tapir]

How do I do that?

[reef patrol]

Minimalism
Full of icons

[cursive summit]

Right click the toolbar, search bar - off?

[distant tapir]

Ah found it. Thanks

[cursive summit]

It's prolly there cause I use explorer tools and it does its own thing

[cursive summit]

We seem to have a bit of a different take on minimalism I suppose

Not a name I thought I'd see complain about GPUs in 2025

[spiral island]

Sorry but I have you both beat

Minimal and red panda

[cursive summit]

You lost me with duckduckgo

[reef patrol]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[cursive summit]

Absolute bottom tier search engine

[spiral island]

I'll admit it sometimes doesn't work as well as google, but fuck google 🤷

Honestly google brought themselves down so much in the past few years there's not nearly as wide a gap

[cursive summit]

If you think duckduckgo is not going to siphon your data, you live in 2018 when it was okay

It's been acquired by data hoarders just like Alphabet is

[spiral island]

I choose to diversify who has my data.

[cursive summit]

That's.. just making it worse for you and benefiting two conglomerates

But if that makes you happy, do whatever you want

[spiral island]

Who acquired duckduckgo? I hadn't heard about this.

[rough osprey]

i love google

[spiral island]

I can't find any indication they got acquired 🤷

[ashen spindle]

ddg did not get acquired, vex is just talking out of his ass

its still a bad serach engine for me, because its basically just using bing results

[cursive summit]

See that is the annoying part, I am trying to find wtf happened and I even found conversation strings from 2023 about them selling out but I can't figure out wtf happened

[spiral island]

I switch to Google during work if I can't get to what I need quickly, but 99% of the time DDG does just fine.

[ashen spindle]

they only ever made a deal with microsoft because well they are using bing but they didnt sell their data nor get acquired

theres qwant and other search engines but cba trying which one works better than ddg

[thick elk]

DDG apart from some edge cases is just not good in terms of search results. Sadly there is no good alternative to google.

[cursive summit]

What about SearXNG

[thick elk]

Other ones I have tried not much better either, still use it for the !bang commands as I have gotten used to it, on a number of sites and works fast for me.

[spiral island]

Eh, I guess I'm not searching for difficult to find things all that often. Usually just documentation pages.

[thick elk]

For me it's about relevant site relevant places, especially with commercial interests involved lots of low quality content takes the lead.

[cursive summit]

Ahh sorry I now see why I thought duckduckgo sold out

[thick elk]

Looking for reviews or multiple opinions, often find a lot of low quality content making me miss the good.

[cursive summit]

It wasn't DDG, though the Microsoft thing was weird

[unkempt lake]

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/smooth-motion-is-nvidias-answer-to-amds-fluid-motion-frames/

[cursive summit]

I had Startpage in mind

[unkempt lake]

Nvidia afmf equivalent

[cursive summit]

I wonder how I even remembered Startpage selling out which was 5 damn years ago

(tbf I did use Startpage 5 years ago)

[cursive summit]

This will be very interesting to compare to Lossless Scaling, which works on absolutely everything, and AFMF2 with is RDNA2, 3 and 4

[urban geode]

guys, which combination is delete on wooting 60he

[whole axle]

Is smooth motion good?

Also what gpus will it be on

[cursive summit]

Please use the search function

[unkempt lake]

40/50series

[whole axle]

Rip

[cursive summit]

Don't read the article for them

A tragedy for @astral haven https://www.theverge.com/news/604378/apple-n107-ar-glasses-canceled

[astral haven]

eh, the tech didnt exist yet to make it great, no surprise there

[rough osprey]

humans too washed

cant even make good tech anymore

[steady sail]

https://x.com/JayzTwoCents/status/1885046213889663457 well

JayzTwoCents (@JayzTwoCents) on X

Eric didn't wait long to scalp the card we signed in Tustin Micro Center today,

X · Jan 30, 2025, 7:23 PM

[unkempt lake]

CRINGE

[cursive summit]

Who?

[analog sinew]

lol even mentions it

[rough osprey]

bro needs that money

[reef patrol]

Don't hate the player, hate the game. Stay salty, Jay

[analog sinew]

jayz is a youtuber, eric a random

[rough osprey]

honestly doesnt sound unreasonable

if he not like a super big fan who really wants that signature

[ashen spindle]

not even using a bot but staying in line to double your montlyh paycheck? sure why not xd

nvidia made it low supply not anyone else

[rough patrol]

do you think nvidia forced aibs to partake in launches like this

cause they clearly cant be making a lot of money here

[minor citrus]

also only asking for $300 premium for the signature, that's nothing

[rough osprey]

not everyone did

[rough patrol]

if theres only a few hundred 5090s in total

knowing that everyone says the margins are razor thin

[ashen spindle]

is that a typo for 3000

[minor citrus]

nah, $300 up from other scalpers

[rough patrol]

they cant be making enough money to cover the development costs

[whole axle]

I’m not a random 😔

[rough osprey]

nvidia dont care

[rough patrol]

people called eric are not real anyway

clearly inferior way of spelling the name

[whole axle]

I’m real 😔

[ashen spindle]

there will be more supply its just taking longer

lunar new year right now means shipping is delayed and factories are closed

[rough patrol]

let me tell you i know all about shipping being delayed due to lunar new year

[gentle osprey]

Yeah I mean no surprise, humans being human

Jay shouldn’t have expected any less

[steady sail]

i mean i would have done the same thing as well xd

[gentle osprey]

Yeah cause you’re human

lol

[steady sail]

im a greedy human xd

[rough patrol]

what the fuck are these

[rough osprey]

swag

[steady sail]

ur nitro rank

[minor citrus]

they've started giving out nitro batches

[rough patrol]

that shit ugly 😭

[gentle osprey]

A badge for how much money you’ve given discord

[rough osprey]

looks better then the old ones

[ashen spindle]

poor small company needs money, pls understand

[rough patrol]

pls i dont want to be reminded

the payment for this year just went through

[gentle osprey]

Well they found a nice shiny way to remind you

[steady sail]

[rough osprey]

i gave them atleast 20€ 😔

[rough patrol]

i get jumpscared by the payment every year

[minor citrus]

Imagine paying for using discord

[analog sinew]

fr

[rough patrol]

man i really need a gpu upgrade but i dont want to buy a new one

[analog sinew]

feel you

[rough patrol]

and i'm always suspicious of the cheaper ones on used sites cause idk if they work or anything

[unkempt lake]

I only did after they reduced file sizes on mobile

[gentle osprey]

Yeah the file size is annoying af

[unkempt lake]

Literally can't take a damn pic of video from my phone

Anymore without nitro

[analog sinew]

extortion

[gentle osprey]

Yep

[rough osprey]

we can do this

[unkempt lake]

Oh and also

5120x1440 @720p on a screenshare

Is uh...

[gentle osprey]

Blurry

Pixelated

[unkempt lake]

all of the above

[rough osprey]

nitro stream quality still kinda shit

[unkempt lake]

Yes

[gentle osprey]

Yeah

[unkempt lake]

I was gonna say it's like someone's puke got mixed with pixel art

[unkempt lake]

at least my screen is able to be fricking shared now

[rough osprey]

https://x.com/finalmouse/status/1885444176273383478?s=46

Finalmouse (@finalmouse) on X

@boardzyxd Fuck finalmouse , they’ve never done anything

X · Jan 31, 2025, 9:44 PM

they so real

[rough patrol]

what is this replying to

i'm not logged in on my laptop

[rough osprey]

boardzy centerpiece code giveaway (you still gotta pay for the board)

[gentle osprey]

That board is a display piece at best

[graceful wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-solana-sol-snow-gif-4038859223613571982

[rough osprey]

okay

[rough patrol]

maybe i just get a refurb card

[rough patrol]

thinking if i get a 4070s or a 4070ti

i think the vram might convince me to go with the ti

[ashen spindle]

honestly, I'd say wait for march if thats the perf area you are looking for

[steady sail]

tho only the 4070 ti super has 16gb

[rough patrol]

i need a gpu before mh

i am currently stuck on a 2070 non super

[ashen spindle]

you could get a 5090 and mhw will run like shit

[rough patrol]

you're probably right but i dont like it

[rough osprey]

will 5070ti even be close to 4080

[ashen spindle]

doubt it

[cursive summit]

Depends on TDP

CUDA core wise (based on leaks) it's not THAT far from 5080 and very close to 4080

I'm thinking 4070Ti + 10%

[rough patrol]

i was super ready to wait on the new cards releasing but i've become a doomer and just want to have something asap at this point

[rough osprey]

i just want 5080fe 😔

[graceful wedge]

Anyone have any clues to this issue I’m having?

[rough patrol]

everything i have seen from the new cards so far and what we know etc seems to suggest the 5070 also wont be great

[graceful wedge]

I reset my bios settings to default, so something with the gpu?

[steady sail]

HELL NO the cheapest is 1500$

[rough osprey]

4090 PERFORMANCE

[rough patrol]

i did some napkin math a while ago

if their claim is correct with frame gen on, then 5070 should have about half the raster performance than 4090

probably less

[cursive summit]

Oh right we don't even need leaks for Blackwell specs anymore, they literally gave them to us

5070Ti will not be as fast as 4080 with 300W sadly, I sincerely doubt it

[rough patrol]

5080 having the same amount of memory as 5070 ti is really funny to me

[rough osprey]

will be enough for the comp games 😄

[rough patrol]

the real question is: is it worth it to pay 750 euro (add buyer protection etc for like 35) and get a 4070ti s now or wait a month, see that 5070ti is only marginally better and spend 870 euro on that instead

[cursive summit]

If UDNA doesn't completely blow Nvidia out of the water with GDDR7 I'll be surprised

AMD is memory bandwidth starved, with G7 it'll be a beast

[rough patrol]

unfortunately i would like to have rt performance

[ashen spindle]

you will have rt performance on rdna4

we already know its much better from the benches they showed+ its what ps5pro uses

[cursive summit]

For whatever that matters

[ashen spindle]

and blackwell didnt increase anything

so it will be roughly the same or maybe a few % behind not like currently

[cursive summit]

Raster is all that counts, and AMD is nuts on raster nowadays

[cursive summit]

Tbf even if performance wise they are neck a neck, quality wise AMD is far behind as I don't think they quite have an equivalent for ray reconstruction yet, which is a big deal

RT sucks anyways so, who cares

[ashen spindle]

no thats not how that works when someone says they care about RT xD

[cursive summit]

Invalid opinion

Do whatever you want, the only thing with RT that annoys me is that raster isn't getting enough improvements anymore

[ashen spindle]

also not true as the rdna3 memory chiplets more than saturate the demand

[rough patrol]

i dont want to be stuck playing on shit perf if i decide to play a game that uses rt (i dont play any rn, this is probably just completely irrational thinking)

[ashen spindle]

again, you wont be

[cursive summit]

Games that force RT on you are far and wide inbetween, so that's not a problem I don't think

[ashen spindle]

sony made a whole presentation about RT improvements in the ps5pro

[cursive summit]

But yeah RDNA4 will do well with RT

[ashen spindle]

and that all comes from using rdna4 RT ip

[rough patrol]

and when is that coming

[ashen spindle]

march

[rough patrol]

bad timing

[cursive summit]

Are you sure though

[rough patrol]

why did they delay

[cursive summit]

7900GRE was insanely memory starved and overclocking the memory brought massive improvements

[steady sail]

they wanted to release the cards with 900$ as msrp

[rough patrol]

can someone tell amd to push the launch closer by a few weeks

thanks

[ashen spindle]

they even publicly denied that being the case

[rough patrol]

that would be a classic amd move ngl haha

[steady sail]

really

[ashen spindle]

no they probably didnt want the same issues of running tino lunar new year shipping and waited for 5070 release

[ashen spindle]

yes frank azor responded to that on twitter, that those prices were never planned

[cursive summit]

JEBAITED, literally

[tawdry ferry]

finally, thank you lmfao. These are literal facts people can easily youtube as it was covered.

[unkempt lake]

what about the games that require RT

[rough patrol]

speaking of lunar new year i just want this weekend to be over so my stuff from geon and kbdfans can finally ship

[ashen spindle]

what? I am disagreeing with your take that the 5080 is even close to being a similar situation

[unkempt lake]

Also i'm not big on RT but it is important and saying it doesn't matter at all is kinda dumb

[cursive summit]

https://www.techpowerup.com/331780/techpowerup-interviews-david-mcafee-gm-of-client-channel-business-on-the-state-of-amd-ryzen-and-radeon

Not much here from a quick glimpse

TechPowerUp: The 7950X3D uses the same cache configuration as the 7900X3D. Why isn't there an offering with 3D cache on both CCDs? The community feedback gathered by us is that they'd be willing to pay for it.

David McAfee: We have looked at that. There hasn't been a lot of observed benefit with dual X3D CCDs. In some cases, it regresses performance due to cache coherency issues. But if there's market demand, we're open to exploring it.

If there's market demand huh?

[unkempt lake]

Are some rt effects a waste? Absolutely but some do make a difference where as others are negligible (ex: rtgi/reflections is a visible difference where as shadows... don't really look any better)

[cursive summit]

TechPowerUp: Is RDNA 4 a monolithic design?
David McAfee: We haven't talked about that yet.

Is that a hint or just.. sorry it might be false but I can't talk

[tawdry ferry]

we can agree to disagree in terms of the 5080, if you want to really pick and choose but what they are doing is still normalizing anti consumer practices and they are no stranger to boiling their customers like frogs.

[cursive summit]

If it's fully chiplet that's kinda nuts

[unkempt lake]

It's an this ain't out yet i can't confirm nor deny

[ashen spindle]

literally isnt

people just expect the same performance changes without understanding how it works and are not calling something a misnaming when its not

[tawdry ferry]

at the end of the day, all you have to do is look back at their history, and how the compueter space is doing as a whole atm. Def not great

[ashen spindle]

it is a bad deal yes but its not a false name or anything

[cursive summit]

Nvidia can name them whatever the fuck, the generation just sucks

[ashen spindle]

there is a massive difference between saying the performance this generation gets is worse or saying its a scam/misleading

[stoic cradle]

Yeah it does

[tawdry ferry]

and it will be sold out post paper launch no matter what

[stoic cradle]

But imma still buy it lol

[cursive summit]

As always?

Nvidia is like Intel, they might suck ass, people will still buy them

[tawdry ferry]

and that is why i say, gamers are spineless

[cursive summit]

Absolutely nothing changed nor it will ever change

[ashen spindle]

gamers arent even the ones who want it the most

cheap gddr7 for ai is much more worth it

[cursive summit]

Not even just a gamer thing, also Apple, Samsung and whatever other fanboys exist

But yeah GDDR7 is quite a major thing for AI so there's demand there

[stoic cradle]

What other options do we have?

[tawdry ferry]

i mean, birds of the same feather

[steady sail]

i cant wait for the RTX 5050 with 6gb of ddr7 ram

[ashen spindle]

5060ti and lower wouldnt use g7 but g6(x)

[cursive summit]

5090 will prolly see less demand when Blackwell workstation cards (Quadros as they were known) reach the market

[ashen spindle]

just like the 4060ti uses g6 and not g6x

[analog sinew]

x to doubt

5090 is not for professionals but for people that have too much money

[cursive summit]

Both can be the case?

It's not exclusive lol

But yeah fast memory is insanely good for running AIs, so people that do that, and there are a lot of them, want the new cards

[rough osprey]

can we get a new trend

[tawdry ferry]

i dont even know why the average joe would aspire to get it honestly unless u are loaded/ streamer etc etc

[steady sail]

bc they want all the fps for cs2 in 1080 with 4:3

[analog sinew]

you underestimate how many people have more money then time

[cursive summit]

Americans make too much money, what else is new

[tawdry ferry]

no, im referring to the average joe

it is what it is when you are loaded. you can buy whatever

[stoic cradle]

Def not all of them

[cursive summit]

They make enough to buy a GPU they'll prolly use for the next 5+ years

[steady sail]

i mean the average american joe is making more then me

[tawdry ferry]

living expense is expensive here, thats the problem and inflation as well. Mcdonalds is expensive nowadays. $15-20 for a meal

[rough osprey]

gamers getting older and at some point paying these prices for a pc part every few years aint a problem

[cursive summit]

As much as I hate Nvidia for skyrocketing GPU prices, yeah, a single time purchase for the next 5 years is.. completely fine?

[steady sail]

yeah im under 25 so no tax on my paycheck but mine doesnt reach more then 1100$ a month xd

[cursive summit]

People buy the 1.5k iPhone every other year, the fuck is a GPU to them

[analog sinew]

idk if you have to be "loaded" to afford 2-3k every few years.

[rough osprey]

like pretty in line with furniture or other stuff you need for a home

its not like a car or sum

[tawdry ferry]

understandable good sir. We are still making our way at this age i think xD and everyones situation is different

[steady sail]

indeed thats true sir

[tawdry ferry]

youi mean they pay monthly forever 🤣

[cursive summit]

You think they won't pay monthly for a 5090?

[tawdry ferry]

ahh new iphone release? let's just trade our current iphone and keep paying them monthly

[stoic cradle]

Oh forsure

[tawdry ferry]

so the balance from the last iphone she bought carries over + whatever else is remaining after trading in the current iphone

[rough osprey]

also pc part hold like atleast 50% of their value after a few years

[cursive summit]

Nvidia found a new cashcow which is people that use credit or just have a lot of money, and are milking them dry

[tawdry ferry]

its insanity

[rough osprey]

so once you got one its kinda not that expensive when selling and buying new

[cursive summit]

The only real crime here is that RTX 40 -> 50 series in architecture is virtually not an upgrade

[steady sail]

but the AI tech

[cursive summit]

There used to be a lot of innovation in GPU architectures with Kepler, Maxwell, Pascal generations

Nowadays it's just.. tiny improvements and more features that make your game fuzzy and blurry looking

[ashen spindle]

ah yes, pascal, the big innovation of (use a much better process node)

[rough osprey]

all the engineers are rich now so they dont care anymore /s

[cursive summit]

Similar MSRP of 980Ti and 1080Ti, insane amount of difference

[ashen spindle]

yes and the architectures are almost the same lol

[cursive summit]

Couple of years ago, but this was actual innovation

[ashen spindle]

most of that is purely the node jumps

[tawdry ferry]

makes you appreciate the 1000 series huh

[lyric hatch]

innovating by putting your architecture on an updated node somebody else made

[tawdry ferry]

pascal was such a good release

[ashen spindle]

none of these are even close to being the same node

[cursive summit]

Nowadays when a 4080 and 5080 are basically the same card and the next card up is a 2 grand beast, it's just.. annoying

[rough patrol]

1000 series was NUTS

[tawdry ferry]

you know its bad when the 4090 ti jokes are being thrown around by reviewers

[ashen spindle]

maxwell to pascal was like 28nm to 16

[steady sail]

can nvidia just release another 1000 series pretty please

[cursive summit]

We can only blame AMD for not competing properly and that's why this shit is happening

[ashen spindle]

bruh

[cursive summit]

RDNA4, please be priced well

[tawdry ferry]

we can blame everyone but at the end of the day, we are the bots enabling them

[cursive summit]

Jensen needs more leather jackets, so please do not steal money from him

[tawdry ferry]

they only see $$, gotta vote with ur $$

[steady sail]

the more u buy the better my leather jacket is

[tawdry ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-jensen-huang-the-more-you-buy-the-more-you-save-keynote-2018-gif-12315008507302833354

[cursive summit]

Genuinely curious what AMD will cook up by returning to the GCN architecture

[ashen spindle]

we might not ever see a jump like 30->40 series ever again with foundries ramps slowing down

[cursive summit]

If anything even if UDNA is mid, Strix Halo is such an insane product that I'm now more interested in CPU/GPU combos than dedicated GPUs

[steady sail]

so we might see a jump from 50 -> 80 series

[tawdry ferry]

900 -1000 series was astronomical for suire

this is depressing gentlemen lmao

[unkempt lake]

499usd pls

[cursive summit]

We both know AMD can afford to price them that, we both know they will not

[ashen spindle]

We both know AMD can afford to price them that
no we dont lol

[unkempt lake]

amDisapointed

[cursive summit]

Bleh, they can

[tawdry ferry]

yeah.... recent releases dictate otherwise.

[cursive summit]

7900GRE is like 500ish$ and 529 mm², 9070XT is supposedly 390mm²

[lyric hatch]

and the 5080 is 378mm what's your point

[cursive summit]

They can price 9070XT at 499$, make money, and they won't

Which is sad

[ashen spindle]

they can
based on what math

[cursive summit]

7900GRE exists?

[lyric hatch]

doesn't matter if they make money ideally they make over a certain margin per card

[ashen spindle]

you cant compare it with a card made using different nodes

and you dont know how much gre made or lost them

[cursive summit]

Ah yeah 9070XT is N4P

So there's process node improvement

[ashen spindle]

600$ was some chinese forum post recently, no clue if its close but I could see it

[cursive summit]

That honestly sounds about right

[lyric hatch]

N4P is hardly a big leap over 5nm though

[cursive summit]

550$ for the non-XT is a value I saw not long ago

[ashen spindle]

no but keep in mind the gre also had memory chiplet and they were on N6 which is even cheaper

[cursive summit]

I mean, do we know 9070XT isn't doing the same thing?

[ashen spindle]

yes?

how would a monolithic die use memory chiplets lol

[cursive summit]

Tbf I've not seen the die shots yet

Looks pretty mono, that's unfortunate

I mean, is that just cost optimization? RDNA3 did the separate MCDs just fine

[lyric hatch]

seems to clock quite a lot higher, wonder if that is due to the move back to monolithic

[ashen spindle]

nope its just a side effect of the original designs being cancelled

so the later models are simpler monolithic designs

as you can infer from the naming because amd names dies based on order of them being made/thought about

[wild coyote]

Sad news for me ngl

[ashen spindle]

so n44 and n48 means its quite late compared to having n31/32/33

[wild coyote]

I need 250.08€ just to buy out my build

[cursive summit]

The fact that it's a relatively small die and it's still not unlikely to compete with 4080 is kinda nuts honestly

[wild coyote]

time to sell some of my stuff ig

[cursive summit]

But that's a lot of heat, I wonder if it'll have cooling issues

[lyric hatch]

it's like the exact same size as the 4080

[ashen spindle]

how do you know the heat without knowing powerdraw

[cursive summit]

Powerdraw is all over the place, yeah, but people are quite intent on it being "XTX" perf levels which is like 300W at least

[lyric hatch]

which also makes it pretty much the same size as the 5080

[cursive summit]

The performance of 9070XT is honestly an enigma, it was "between 70 and 70Ti", then it kinda gradually shifted towards "between XT and XTX", and I've been reading forums about it now competing with XTX and 4080

AMD are saying it's above what was reported or something like that so, I have no friggin clue

[lyric hatch]

that's because people like talking out of their

[ashen spindle]

almost like its been the same with every hardware launch including the 50 series we just had

[cursive summit]

The TDP is also weird, I remember reading 200-230 watts and recently it was like 280W

Which are big differences

[ashen spindle]

could be changed last second in drivers too so those arent accurate either

remember 40 series being 600W?

[lyric hatch]

if only AMD announced any details about their card at CES

[cursive summit]

Yeah but eventually we'll figure out since driver limits aren't irreversable like factory limits?

GRE was annoying to OC cause factory limits were quite low iirc

[lyric hatch]

still crazy that it's sitting on store backroom shelves but we don't know basic things about it still

[ashen spindle]

I mean with how the 50 series just launched amd can just take it and pretend they wanted to wait for stock and look good and all

[cursive summit]

It's impressive it hasn't been stolen and benchmarked and hadn't had its hardware info dumped yet

[rough patrol]

honestly surprised none seem to be just out there "mysteriously appeared out of nowhere, fell off a truck" when they appear to be at a lot of retailers

[ashen spindle]

how would you benchmark it without drivers

[cursive summit]

Sometimes they ship with drivers

[rough patrol]

oop vexxsie beat me to it

[tawdry ferry]

lisa has them locked inside her war chest

[ashen spindle]

amd clearly said nobody has release drivers yet

[lyric hatch]

they have come and out and said there aren't any drivers

or no finalized ones at least

[cedar fog]

the fact that the majority of microcenters had 4 5090's

and then stocked the god awful 5080 more

I wonder how many consumers are reading reddit or watching YouTube videos feeling bad

[rough patrol]

acting as if the 5090 was also not god awful

[cedar fog]

true

[ashen spindle]

well not like there is any other choice

[rough patrol]

its just a 4090ti

[unkempt lake]

Talking about drivers

[ashen spindle]

people want gpus and 40 series isnt being made in that tier

[unkempt lake]

Guys i noticed aomething interesting in the amd 25.1.1 optional driver

[cedar fog]

the only beneficial thing about this launch is the overall improvement of dlss

for all the previous series

[ashen spindle]

its a bit more power effiocent and we have a new display engine finally

[unkempt lake]

It has AFMF 2.1 instead of 2,0

Havent noticed any visual changes tho

Maybe it's just labeled wrong

Idk

[ashen spindle]

or its not doing any visual changes and just fixes or it just rdna4 supprot being ready

[distant tapir]

Nvidia doesn't have a buy option for 5090/80 on their website in my cuntry. It just says "see all purchasing options" and it links me to retailers. Is my 5070 FE dream dead or...

[ashen spindle]

nvidia doesnt sell them directly anymore

it just links to the stores that have them

so whatever store in your area had a 5090/5080FE will have them

[distant tapir]

I can't find the FE anywhere

[ashen spindle]

well its been sold out in the first minute xD

so check reddit or so to see where people bought them from

lower tier cards should have some more stock

[unkempt lake]

Possible

Didn't even know 25.1.1 existed till spiderman told me to update to it and it wasn't showing up in adrenaline but jt was on amd's website so

Only major things in it seemed to be game ready for spiderman 2

[steady sail]

and Final Fantasy VII rebirth

[distant tapir]

I looked it up and it says they just haven't opened up for FE sales in the country

4000 series FE can be boat directly from Nvidia though

It took like a full year before 4000 FE cards became purchasable

Any good aftermarket 2-slot designs?

[ashen spindle]

for the 5070? yeah we dont know the AiB models yet but should be a lot more options there

[tawdry ferry]

if it makes you feel any better, someone just confirmed they payed 6k for a 5090. I really hope it was a troll tho

[distant tapir]

5070 yus. I hope there will be good ones

It says 5070 will release on the 20th

Unless that's a placeholder

[steady sail]

im just gonna wait for the non-xt 9070

[unkempt lake]

akko always waits

akko waited for the xt