🔌│tech

[umbral heron]

Don't mint moumou into blockchain

[balmy vector]

moumoucoin

[unkempt lake]

I'm not but i work in the tech industry so pls no take away my job

Moumoucoin yes

[analog sinew]

you can be jobless just like me soon ❤️

[balmy vector]

fulltime snail caretaker

[umbral heron]

I work in tech industry
Please take away my job so I can do something productive and self-fulfilling

[unkempt lake]

Maybe i can go back to school and do what i originally was studying for

Before i switched to cowompuwuter science

[willow linden]

hey does anyone know the color settings well for the 60he

[unkempt lake]

i can do moumou veterinarian machine

[gentle osprey]

All about perspective, what may be a crash to some, is an oppurtunity for others

Nothing new

Some people have become very wealthy during times like these and some people become very broke/poor

[rough patrol]

I am currently studying cs

Maybe i just go into a field that will always be needed and then i dont need to worry about all that industry bs

[analog sinew]

counterstrike?

[umbral heron]

Don't
Run away
Live in the forest
Be happy

[rough patrol]

Security boom job never going away

[analog sinew]

this is the way

[rough patrol]

You want me to live in a cabin in the woods?

[unkempt lake]

Spooky

[analog sinew]

earth hole is ok too

[gentle osprey]

yeah be like me so you can get charged an extra $30 for shipping to "remote" locations

fkn annoying

other than that I do enjoy it

[unkempt lake]

I don't get charged extra shipping shit just gets here in uh a very long time

[gentle osprey]

neighbors far enough away to not bother me

Tbf its just DHL that does that to me

[analog sinew]

wait you live like that, far away?

thats so nice i want that too

a house in some bumfuck forest

[gentle osprey]

Lol I basically live at the bottom of a mountain

[analog sinew]

thats sick

do you own land around you or nah

[unkempt lake]

@analog sinew

[gentle osprey]

a few acres yeah

[analog sinew]

nah nfts are lyf

[analog sinew]

i own a german postal service NFT

that shit was so funny i had to buy it

[rough patrol]

What

[analog sinew]

the german postal service made NFT stamps xd

its so stupid i wanted one

[rough patrol]

I‘m pretty sure i kinda own a kero kero bonito nft? But it was weird and i didnt really think about it any more after i got it

[distant tapir]

https://videocardz.com/newz/maxsun-preparing-geforce-rtx-5060-ti-with-16gb-and-8gb-memory

[unkempt lake]

i should buy the ubisoft nfts

[rough patrol]

They gave some shit away on their twitter page like months before the big nft craze

[analog sinew]

why does a 60ti have 16gb and a 5080 16 too

cmon man give us 24

[umbral heron]

When 8G card in 2025

[unkempt lake]

WHY WOULD THE 60 TI HAVE 16GB BUT THE 70 HAVE 12

AHHHHH

[analog sinew]

nvidia

[ashen spindle]

I bet just like last gen its just using the lower spec memory

[umbral heron]

Because Ti

[ashen spindle]

so not gddr7

[unkempt lake]

dlss will save them

dlss ultra performance

Beautiful pixel art

[lyric hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/blender-vram-ram-memory-gone-gif-27551226

[umbral heron]

You need VRAM for DLSS

[unkempt lake]

You need vram for framegen

Not dlss iirc

[rough patrol]

I‘m a framegen hater

[gentle osprey]

Waitng for 6090

best gpu of the century

[rough patrol]

DLSS i am not opposed to but framegen needs to go away

[gentle osprey]

Luckily framegen is optional

[umbral heron]

Framegen good... when your game has 100fps already
Problem is that some devs want you to use framegen to even hit 60fps

[gentle osprey]

yeah no

[unkempt lake]

Framegen is fine in some games

[gentle osprey]

framegen should be locked by default unless you're getting 60+ fps

[unkempt lake]

Like poe2 i'm running at 70fps with framegen and it feels good

[gentle osprey]

shouldn't even let you enable it

[unkempt lake]

I mean the game has a static camera

So i... literally don't notice any issues with it

[gentle osprey]

I do like how Catanzaro puts it tho, they just tryna give us options

[ashen spindle]

fsr3 integration documentation pdf

[gentle osprey]

This is how Framgen should be explained universally

[unkempt lake]

Frame gen i feel is a very situational thing

[gentle osprey]

but people will use it at 20 fps and be like, "NVIDIA ASS"

[unkempt lake]

Like it works for some games and doesn't for some other games

Depends on the type of game and the base framerate

Playing something POE2 with AFMF feels and looks good

Or something like forza motorsport to get over the 60fps cap in multiplayer and still have a nice looking image

[cursive summit]

I'd be happy with DLSS if that did not come with drawbacks when it comes to anything else

[gentle osprey]

Yeah, the way I put it basically is of course the whole 60 fps+ thing, but also, probably shouldn't be using Fraemgen in Competive FPS games like CS or Val etc, but in your Hogwarts Loogacy and Path of Detriment and whatever games, then sure use Framegen

[cursive summit]

But now we are getting LESS raster improvement than ever before

Virtually every (new) game now requires DLSS just to be 60FPS

That is not options, that's just laziness

[ashen spindle]

okay now you are just coping xD

thats not even remotely true

[cursive summit]

Only company actually giving us proper raster improvements is AMD, they are just pricing their shit higher

Nvidia are scaling their tech higher, and pricing things way higher, they are to what I'm seeing, far weaker in that front than AMD

I hope AMD eventually overtakes them

[lyric hatch]

Hate to break it to you but AMD is actually slower in raster then Nvidia and has been for several generations at this point

[umbral heron]

Yeah... thing is there was about 27% raster improvement from 4090 to 5090
Whereas all leaks suggest that 9070XT won't beat XTX in raster, so...

[unkempt lake]

A racing game even online in a "competitive" setting is the only game where i didn't notice but welp it's controller based and with antilag it feels just as good as without framegen (not talking about an arcade racer that's fast paced)

[cursive summit]

In same CUDA form factor?

Nvidia also slapping a ton of extra CUDA cores does not indicate raster improvement

[gentle osprey]

New Indiana Jones game can hit 60 without upscaling

[cursive summit]

I am talking specifically the graphics core actually having a lot of work done to it to be faster

AMD from what I'm seeing are working on their graphics core to be naturally faster

Nvidia are just slapping more CUDA cores on top and compensating with DLSS

[unkempt lake]

I didn't have issues hitting 85-90 at 5120x1440 on max settinngs native

[cursive summit]

27% raster improvement? 27% more CUDA cores

[lyric hatch]

Well whatever they're doing it's ending up in faster raster then AMD

[gentle osprey]

Also more efficient

[umbral heron]

Sure, more power consumption too
But AMD, well... 6800XT and 7800XT were almost the same in raster, and there was about 15% improvement from 6950XT to 7900XT
Sure, power consumption went down, but improvements weren't great either

[gentle osprey]

Yeah I'm all for AMD doing better, but they're just not rn

I got no hate towards em

[lyric hatch]

And them not creating a card that beats 7900 xtx this generation screams they are having issues scaling at the high end

[shy junco]

anyone know if the akko v3 switches works on the woothing 60 he keyboard on the website

[umbral heron]

Nope, those are mechanical switches, 60HE needs HE ones

[umbral heron]

Yeah, Radeon which would be close to 4090 in perf with all that FSR4 tech would be really nice to have on the market

[astral haven]

Only people with immense resources can come out ahead in a market crash, and only an exceedingly small number of them

And even if you have immense resources and prepare for it, if you get the timing wrong you still lose everything

[raw prawn]

Fellas, we gotta leverage our non-existent assets to buy GOLD AND PLATINUM and we won.

[unkempt lake]

Random but

Does your card have a dual bios

Cals

[gentle osprey]

Agreed

[gentle osprey]

basically something like 5 out of 100 people, if that

[umbral heron]

I don't think so

[shy junco]

the thing is i really like the loop tag thing on the side and i want a keyboard with akko v3 switches so idk what to do

[unkempt lake]

Mine has a "full power bios" but i never used it, i'm just on the quiet bios + undervolted

[astral haven]

more like 5 out of 3k

[unkempt lake]

It's already pulling 390w on the quiet bios, unsure of by how much the full power bios increases it

[umbral heron]

You can always get some other case for it, Alumaze for example https://wooting.io/product/alumaze60

[gentle osprey]

oh I meant to put 1000

either way lol

[umbral heron]

Iunno, I've only undervolted mine, it works nice

[gentle osprey]

my entire setup currently pulling 613W

inlcudes monitors, speakers, etc

[umbral heron]

Mine is definitely pulling less than 700W

[gentle osprey]

everything hooked up to an UPS

[umbral heron]

Oh yeah, I wonder how much energy my monitors eat

[gentle osprey]

Maybe

[minor citrus]

I've noticed my power bill increase quite a bit because I started using a 55" TV as my main display

[distant tapir]

Yep. Now I kinda want a 16 gb 5060 Ti

[gentle osprey]

16gb 60 class would be wild

[trim crane]

more so for blender, recording, streaming and davinci resolve studio

[umbral heron]

I hab 5 monitors now and it kinda interests me how much they consume

[unkempt lake]

I haven't checked mine since i upgraded to a 7800x3d but with my oced 9700k it was terrifying

[distant tapir]

I know. Sad

[gentle osprey]

yeah I think my 7800x3d ive seen pull like 85w at most??

I have a negative 30 offset on all-cores

[distant tapir]

12 gb

[minor citrus]

If they're not too old I guess you could search their spec pages and look there, most displays are required to say stuff like that nowadays

[umbral heron]

Leaked #🔌│tech message

[trim crane]

also I was supposed to get 96GB RAM but I only got 64GB RAM

[unkempt lake]

Yeah that thing power sips, i mean right now in poe... i'm using 20w lol

[gentle osprey]

and then I set my 90 to a 90% power limit with 1000mhz on the memory

[unkempt lake]

The 9700k tho... i'd play games and hit 125w easy

With my overclock

Lol

[umbral heron]

I don't think I saw my CPU going over 30% anytime over last month

[gentle osprey]

them new intel chips be up to like 200+

[trim crane]

5070Ti 240Hz

[fair gull]

what

how did you get less than paid for

[trim crane]

yeah im gonna request amazon for a refund

[unkempt lake]

Most i saw was like... 70% usage?

In jedi survivor

[trim crane]

4k 180 dlss4 maybe

[gentle osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[shy junco]

okay and lastly, the components inside, where do i get that, all i need are keycaps the switches and the case from wooting whats last?

[fair gull]

96

[trim crane]

chrome tabs

jkjk

[umbral heron]

Module aka brain https://wooting.io/wooting-60he-module
Cases:

• https://wooting.io/product/alumaze60
• https://wooting.io/product/optimum-case-60
• https://kbdfans.com/products/tofu60-redux-case
  And many different, has to GH60 compatible
  Switches:
• https://wooting.io/product/lekker-switch-l60-v2
• https://geon.works/products/geon-raw-he-switch
• https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-magnetic-jade-pro-switch-set
  Look around AliExpress or local stores, you may find those cheaper
  Keycaps: any with MX stem and standard 6.25u bottom row will work
  Try Amazon/Aliexpress or https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[ashen spindle]

it will tell you on the store page

[shy junco]

this module works with the akko v3 switches right?

[umbral heron]

No, this is HE keyboard, Akko v3 are mechanical, not magnetic

[shy junco]

i want to have the akko v3 switches with the wooting case and tag

thats the thing is that even possible?

[umbral heron]

Nope, Akko v3 won't work with any of Wooting keyboards

[ashen spindle]

ye so look at the page before buying and it will tell you..

I dont know where you live or what you want to order how would I know how long it takes then lol

[gentle osprey]

damn quin

thought you were all-knowing

[ashen spindle]

shhh cant let everyone in on that secret

[topaz fog]

there is an unknown object underneath my desk generating heat... mmm time to rest my feet on it... warm object...

[minor citrus]

next you know you die of radiation poisoning

[gentle osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-feels-amazing-gif-13600223

[shy junco]

damn 😦

thanks for ur help

[gentle osprey]

kinda curious why its an unknown object

[topaz fog]

its embedded in a sea of cables and other unknown tech objects

[gentle osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/interesting-batman-very-interesting-thinking-gif-16421084

[minor citrus]

oh that sounds extra safe now

[umbral heron]

[topaz fog]

a hot water bottle in my cable sea.. yes good idea

[umbral heron]

Pfff... I'll take it then, your loss

[ashen spindle]

why is your cat stuck in your cables

[gentle osprey]

I imagine she's resting her feet on a AC Power Adapter

for like a monitor or something

[topaz fog]

it's my elgato capture card. but what's concerning is that it's completely disconnected 🐱

oh well... warmmm

[umbral heron]

Sea of cables... warm...
We didn't start the fire

[gentle osprey]

[fickle ore]

Yeah, but that's because hedge funds outperform market in crashes but lag total market returns

[ashen spindle]

https://x.com/opinali/status/1883889125771952233

Osvaldo Pinali Doederlein (@opinali) on X

I looked at this Adrenalin preview driver; this is from late-Dec'24 and apparently the focus is on AFMF 2.1 but it also contains a DLL with the in-driver FSR 4.0 support so I investigated it a bit; h/t @GawroskiT. More confirmations than news, but some news as well.🧵

X · Jan 27, 2025, 2:45 PM

tldr of the thread, fsr4 might be running on mostly fp8 compute and only rdna4 has it

rdna3 doesnt have it so maybe it just cant run it or much worse

[astral haven]

No they don't
They underperformed on average, but gambling does turn out sometimes

[umbral heron]

Running on RDNA 3 will need some change. It supports BF16, might be close enough perf-wise

[ashen spindle]

yeah thats the question, would it be or not

without knowing rdna4 performance and fsr4 cost on it cant really extrapolate if that sounds realistic or not

because in practive for many AI things bf16 isnt that much better than fp8 if you can make the data work which means good luck making up for the much higher speed needed

[spiral island]

I just invested 10k in nvidia last week, how up am I?

Ready to ride this gravy train 2 da 🌛

[ashen spindle]

wait another two weeks and you're up

[spiral island]

Probably right 😭

[distant tapir]

I have never invested in stocks. Should I take advantage of the dip?

[ashen spindle]

if you have never invested, get one of these apps that let you pretend to invest and use that fake money to learn

[unkempt lake]

On something like the XTX probably

@umbral heron

Curious about how ot would run on the rest of rdna3 tho

[analog sinew]

invest in $TAK and moumou nfts

[spiral island]

The only rock solid investment advice I can provide is to not take investment advice from people on Discord

It would be nice if they (nvidia) had to return to catering to consumers again

[ashen spindle]

I mean still do

its more like the second business exploded, they didnt really stop doing anything on consumer side

[spiral island]

I suppose you're right. Maybe I just want competition on the high end more than anything.

[distant tapir]

No idea that exists. I'll check it out

[ashen spindle]

take time to learn, stuff like that is nice, think longer term not daily changes, ideally only ever put a low % of the money in a single stock etc.

[unkempt lake]

You're right, use reddit instead

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jam-stonks-stonk-jam-head-shot-hans-gif-21157324

[sage perch]

Personally think reddit is worse than discord because of the mod problem. A handful of people have control over lots of subreddits.

[spiral island]

Don't share all the secrets

[gentle osprey]

Yeah like quin said, invest for the long term, not a quick buck

day traders lose money

[hasty monolith]

what does this mean, the label was created at their compton location but now they say they dont have it?

[gentle osprey]

investing should be like watching paint dry , it should be boring and you set it up to be automatic and forget about it

forget the password and look at it again when you're 65, enjoy life in the meantime

[sage perch]

Is the scroll lock key used for anything any more? I'm wondering if it's free real estate for a macro button.

[ashen spindle]

https://x.com/AzorFrank/status/1884017421134225410

Frank Azor (@AzorFrank) on X

@VideoCardz While we aren’t going to comment on all the price rumors, I can say that an $899 USD starting price point was never part of the plan.

X · Jan 27, 2025, 11:15 PM

you mean to tell me the random bulgarian guy was talking out of his ass?

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-shock-wtf-gif-15452657

[astral haven]

Its free until you need it like any other key, there are a few things like office that can use it

[wheat yacht]

Hey people are comparing the AIB cards

Is it true that the suprim is gonna be better than the astral with even lower temps

[ashen spindle]

chech techpowerup or whoever has both cards to compare noise/temps

performance is margin of error on all of them

[wheat yacht]

True

[gusty kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az5QL_NLBvg

@astral haven

[astral haven]

god they could screw it up so bad but im quite down

[gusty kiln]

I like that they are making an android xr os now, now we can have smaller companies make cheaper headsets but same os

No more meta/Facebook overlord on ar/vr

[astral haven]

Eh
Potato tomato
Not like Google is any better than Facebook in a serious sense

[sudden imp]

HOT WATER BOTTLE (the pinnacle of human advancement)

[gusty kiln]

does meta require a facebook acc?

[astral haven]

Technically no

But yes you need a meta account

[gusty kiln]

yeah that's a lesser of two evil situation for me

rather just login with my gmail

[astral haven]

maybe in another world it would have been the other way around

but yea same

apple 2005 wired keyboard

[iron wave]

Just about any Apple keyboard.

[astral haven]

the first magic keyboard is pretty decent if you like chicklet except for the batteries part

[wheat plume]

What's the batteries part?

[astral haven]

it uses batteries

[wheat plume]

Oh xd

[white turtle]

anyone got any recommendations on nice keyboard cables? i got the optimum wooting looking for something nice to go with it

[iron wave]

The one that comes with it?

[wheat plume]

Thought you meant something dumber like the charging port is on the underside like their mouse

[white turtle]

That yellow and black cable is not appealing at all lol

[iron wave]

That is double dumb.

[astral haven]

no i said its pretty decent, theres nothing decent about being unusable for an hour while it charges
batteries at least you can swap in 2 mins if you need to

[astral haven]

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MW5H3AM/A/thunderbolt-4-usb‑c-pro-cable-3-m

running 32b deepseek r1 and holy crap

[distant tapir]

Is that good?

[iron wave]

Got some Docker for that?

[astral haven]

its a bit slower than the best that folks online are posting but its pretty good

[astral haven]

literally installed ollama and ran 1 command, no docker or anything

its substantially faster than i can read tho, extremely sufficient

[iron wave]

I presume it's

docker exec -it ollama ollama run deepseekr1

or similar?

[astral haven]

i just said no docker

ollama run deepseek-r1:32b what is the meaning of life? --verbose
is the complete command

[iron wave]

19GB

[astral haven]

better than 1.3tb

[iron wave]

Dang, how is my card sitting at 2GiB of usage? 0.o

[astral haven]

this is the original model if you want to play around with it

not sure it should be over 20gb

[iron wave]

I'm not running it yet.

The download is going at 120MB/s.

[astral haven]

ah idk theres a bunch of windows stuff like chrome and stuff?

[iron wave]

Linux is useually pretty slim, but I suppose FireFox and the handful of Chrome instances could be eating into it.

21297MiB / 24564MiB
There we go.

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[astral haven]

3090ti?

[iron wave]

4090

[astral haven]

hmm
ive only got 3090 so id have expected better from that

[iron wave]

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[astral haven]

apparently thats the same as the results online so nvm

[iron wave]

It seems to be oddly inconsistent for a bunch of multiplication and addition.

Very weird.

[astral haven]

seems fine to me tbh

besides the output looking mangled since its meant to have some formatting

[iron wave]

<@&1098943457654997093> Weird porn spam.

[astral haven]

it is definetly struggling with being fast at adding but its getting the correct answer

it has some trouble with super long context tho

[stiff path]

Have you guys seen the memes

[astral haven]

to the prompt

i confused it but it still got the right answer 3 out of 4 times, although it halucinated a new question near the end

[iron wave]

Imagine using a lying machine to do math.

[astral haven]

doing a better job than i would without a calculator

including the part where it forgot what it was doing halfway through

looking forward to when we have 512gb vram cards on consumer so we can run the flagship models locally

[iron wave]

Oh, I should have asked it about the funny tanks.

[astral haven]

what is significant about the date 4 June 1989

The date June 4th, 1989, is significant due to the Tiananmen Square protests in Beijing, China. These protests were primarily led by students and other groups advocating for various reforms, including democracy and government policy changes. The event reached a critical point on June 4th when the Chinese government intervened with military forces, leading to a violent crackdown that involved tanks and soldiers. This incident had profound repercussions internationally, influencing how the world perceived China's political landscape and affecting its foreign relations. The Tiananmen Square protests remain a pivotal moment in Chinese history, with lasting effects on society and international interactions.
removed the behind the scenes thinking

doesnt seem whitewashed if its a bit sanitized

[iron wave]

Huh, I kinda expected it to just not have any information on it.

[astral haven]

even tho its chinese trained, the basis is western models trained on our internet

i also set my firewall to let me know it it tries to access the internet, and it didnt lel

[iron wave]

Yeah but I figured they'd prevent stuff like this from being included in the data set.

[astral haven]

the "data set" as far as i understand was previous models, they didnt have the budget to manually sort through all the responses afaik

[iron wave]

Huh, interesting: https://youtu.be/EjGy6oNVSao

[iron wave]

I honestly have no idea, but it's interesting.

[astral haven]

quite sick https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.12948

[quiet tangle]

https://imgsli.com/MzQyOTI0

check out this slider, honestly pretty good job at 720p to 4k upscaling compared to native

Theres some detail lost in the brick building on the left, but lots of detail gained elsewhere such as aliasing and improved detail in shadows, trees, and specifally the tire treads.

[rigid tinsel]

ngl i think LLMs in its current state are like blockchain

everyone thinks theyre the hot shit right now

eventually people realize that throwing that much compute on it is just a waste

the idea of ML is cool but its too chaotic to be useful

like how many people who actually work with neural networks are actually able to ELI5 whats happening

the complexity will kill it eventually and people will find better ways

[astral haven]

maybe, but if it can do better than this, its gonna be more productive not less...

[vapid ruin]

It'll be funny if Ollama is, but luckily for most popular backend it isn't.

At least for Aphrodite, Koboldcpp, and TabbyAPI

[astral haven]

i was only mostly joking

[rigid tinsel]

.. xD

this is exactly what i mean

you guys dont even know how itd access the internet like is it magically gonna take over your cpu and then hit up google? what?

nobody properly understands what they do, maybe the researchers the 0.1% who are smart and interested in the field

[vapid ruin]

Imo, it's also somehow very deterministic to be fun for creative usage.

[astral haven]

it would do it via an exploit because its not supposed to be able to do that

[rigid tinsel]

everyone just sees some 90s imagination of an autonomous robot and is glad it has the ability of a highschooler to do their text summary

[astral haven]

if you can get a highscooler that quick and versatile, they are probably already being scouted by faang and mensa lol

[rigid tinsel]

yeah and you gotta double check it by a capable being afterwards so not really anything gained unless youre trying to be lazy

[distant tapir]

In what way? Performance? Sound profile?

[rigid tinsel]

its a huge recycler that uses insane amounts of energy

[astral haven]

less energy than a person

[rigid tinsel]

bro what

do you know how efficient the human body is

[astral haven]

and once you train it you can make millions of copies

how many watts do you think a person is?

[rigid tinsel]

youre not really gonna argue this are you

[astral haven]

do you have any idea?

and yes i am, because people dont actually think about it

[rigid tinsel]

okay im done, im not really down to argue this. you gonna pretend brain uses all energy to think and components production uses no energy yada yada

either way people can use AI what do i care, i use it as an improved google but thats all it will ever be

[astral haven]

?
energy spent on just keeping the human alive while training is only a small part of it, but its still very important

[rigid tinsel]

yeah LLMs are the pinnacle of technology

have a good night

[indigo leaf]

Should you have G-sync enabled on both window and full screen or just full screen for Nvidia control panel, or is it an either or type situation

[astral haven]

some games fake full screen and so you dont get gsync if you leave it fullscreen only

default to fullscreen only because theres a bunch of stuff that is not great for gsync like web browsing or random apps

[modern sphinx]

I enable both and disable vsync(in-game option) and enable reflex/boost if available. Pretty smooth just like u

[indigo leaf]

Ok thanks, I’ll just enable it for both, as ai had it on full screen only for a long time and always wondered

[reef patrol]

Most* games do a full screen window these days thank god.

Dedicated full screen is a relic of the past.

[astral haven]

yea but theres using the windows api for it and theres just being a regular window with no border the same size of the screen

regular window is bad

[reef patrol]

People did what they had to do

[digital cliff]

cracking up at an OS that can't make the windows do what you want

and it's even called Windows

[reef patrol]

[wheat belfry]

could anyone here give me some help/advice on a pc build? thanks

[umbral heron]

Sure

[topaz fog]

On windows 10 there is input lag introduced when playing in windowed or borderless windowed mode due to forced desktop compositing

Windows 11 added a game mode which eliminates this but afaik it's still an issue in 10

[umbral heron]

Game mode because you have to turn it off to be able to play games properly

[topaz fog]

It's apparently good in 11

🤷‍♀️

[lyric hatch]

it's good in 10 now too did have some issues on release though

[umbral heron]

I dunno, haven't used 11

[topaz fog]

Neat

I remember staying on windows 7 for a long time with classic theme so that I could play in windowed mode lol

[latent mural]

I olay bordered, works somehow well oj win 11

But I play warframe only

[topaz fog]

Ok

I just said 11 works well

[lyric hatch]

if the games runs dx12 it's basically a non-issue it's older dx games and openGL that had issues

[wheat belfry]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nPhc4p

This is the build i was going for, id be upgrading from a ryzen 7 5700x and rtx 3060.

Could you help me understand what the issue is with the motherboard in the build?

And is the build good? its mostly to maximise fps in cpu heavy games (cs, val)

thanks

[umbral heron]

It's not the issue with the motherboard, but with the case - motherboard is micro-ATX, so bigger than mini-ITX that this case supports, so you need a bigger case
Other than that I recommend picking up some X3D CPU, both CS and Valorant are CPU-heavy games, so that will have an impact on FPS
Also look for 6000-CL30 RAM, for example https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/sQfxFT/corsair-vengeance-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-cmk32gx5m2b6000z30, should cost the same, but you'll gain 3~5% too

[balmy vector]

Games love that vcache

Very tasty

[lyric hatch]

seems like you are right though, windows 11 should work with dx10 and dx11 titles also while windows 10 doesn't

[balmy vector]

[lyric hatch]

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/updates-in-graphics-and-gaming/

[wheat belfry]

Im wanting to upgrade to am5 tho for future upgrades and theres no am5 x3d cpu at around the same price

ill add the ram tho thank you for that, ill need to look for a different motherboard as i would like that case

[rigid tinsel]

yo mods did you read his nick

[umbral heron]

7700X or 9700X is a good choice then, they should be about the same price too
About the case - I'm not sure if your GPU will fit either, PCPartPicker says it won't so that's the thing
Also keep in mind that mini-ITX gets expensive, really fast

[rigid tinsel]

id just auto .. at least change nick if not ban if you think you need to drop a slur every time you talk in chat by having it in your nickname

[wheat belfry]

yeah ive noticed that. Thanks!

[rigid tinsel]

ty, that been bugging me since last night.

[wheat belfry]

updated parts list, let me know if theres anything that can be improved etc

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Y7qzkf

[umbral heron]

Looks good to me

[analog sinew]

the psu seems expensive for 850W

and your case has 50 pounds shipping costs

[rigid tinsel]

yeah 850W and only gold

gold plat etc means how efficient it is and how much of the energy is wasted

[digital cliff]

I'm not sure if the -700x is worth it over the -600x of either generation, someone more knowledgeable can verify but it seems to have been a rule of thumb so far to get the -800x3d or if that's too expensive, the -600x 🤔

[rigid tinsel]

actually only gold is kinda wrong, gold is already pretty good with 87% efficiency on 100% load where platinum would be 90%. but yeah not sure if thats the best deal you can get either

[reef patrol]

Those ratings are beyond useless these days.

[rigid tinsel]

sometimes they give more warranty

[rough patrol]

I would get a cheaper gpu and get an X3D chip every time

Not gpu

Psu

[reef patrol]

Sure. Doesn't speak to their actual build quality though.

[rough patrol]

Ever since i got my 7800X3D i‘ve been converted

Never going back

[rigid tinsel]

tbh i was most concerned about sound levels

when i got mine.. the efficiency was an afterthought

im running bequiet fans and psu and case and its just purring under my desk, im very happy with it. but thats about as much research as i did.. x) so im not exactly qualified to speak on whats a good psu

they decrease in efficiency over time so i wanted to get one that will last me

The Asus ROG STRIX B650E-I GAMING WIFI Mini ITX AM5 Motherboard supports the AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.5 GHz 8-Core Processor with BIOS version 0602. If the motherboard is using an older BIOS version, updating the BIOS will be necessary to support the CPU.

also this scares me, if the mobo doesnt come with that version you need to get a supported chip to flash the motherboard, i would double check the compatibility

i had to bring my pc to a local repair shop cause i did the same thing

i have an asus rog strix x570f and when i bought it, the ryzen 5950x just came out. it had support, but only after flashing the motherboard with the new version

if the chip and motherboard are out for a while it will be done from the factory probably, but its something id double check

[reef patrol]

A tale as old as time.

Motherboard manufacturers and large retailers will slap stickers on the box to show it's been updated for support.

[umbral heron]

This board is newer than 0602 firmware, it never shipped with it - oldest version is 1409

[rigid tinsel]

sorry about the FUD then :D

[analog sinew]

but yeah saving on the psu to get 7800x3d if at all possible would be a nice upgrade

[rigid tinsel]

still kinda upset i built on the AM4 platform..

not like im gonna need an upgrade from a 5950x anytime soon but meh, having to basically replace every part once i want to do so sucks

then again it was around 2020 and i think AM5 was brand new or not out yet

[umbral heron]

Not out even
I remember my good ol' 3600X I bought in 2020

[rigid tinsel]

i see. well by the time i got to upgrade my gpu it already felt outdated cause i waited a long time for prices to fall off while/post covid

i was running what was a top of the line processor with a GTX 970

it was so ridiculous

ended up buying a 4070 Ti sometime in 2023

[analog sinew]

me running a 9800x3d with 2070Super rn :D

[rigid tinsel]

yeah but like dude

i had this card in my pc from 2015? it was an upgrade from my 760 TI but still

[proven turret]

my new pc arrives on friday :)

[rigid tinsel]

it felt so bad putting it in a brand new board, OC 7200 MT ram and whatnot

[analog sinew]

my parents gonna get my 550ti

its second life

[rigid tinsel]

yeah i gave my old one to my little brother who is still using it

recently replaced the thermal paste and he actually can do some medium quality 1080p gaming with it, i was surprised

he always used prebuilt like office machines with onboard graphics so even getting a dedicated gpu was an upgrade, helped him do a full ebay build for around 250 bucks

he doesnt play many games but when he does its not pixel mush cause hes playing 480p fullscreen or letterbox anymore

[rough patrol]

My rig is almost exactly the same but one step down haha

7800X3D and 2070 non super

[rain quiver]

Bruh what

[analog sinew]

i'm buying a new gpu soon

this is just in the meantime, the 2070s is my old card

[rough patrol]

Arent we all

[analog sinew]

everything else is new

[rough patrol]

I really hope the 5070 is good

[analog sinew]

i hope any 50 card is good

[rough patrol]

And i also really really hope it comes out in early feb

Cause late febuary is monster hunter

[fair gull]

for you yes

basically everyone already concluded going to 50 series from gtx10 or rtx20 series is a massive massive uplift

ofc at like 1440p and above

[rough patrol]

1440p

Best resolution dont @ me

[rigid tinsel]

i love 1440, it feels like a sweet spot between pixel density and too much additional gpu load

but honestly i would rather use 1080p at 120+ hz than 1440 or 4K at 60, i never want to get rid of this fluidity again

[umbral heron]

I need 9950X3D

[rough patrol]

It feels like a good sweet spot between pixel density and wallet density

[rigid tinsel]

lmao that too

when i get in the office and plug the laptop in the docking station, the first minutes i have this transition period where my eyes have to adjust and cope with 60

its not as bad as 30 to 60 but.. its bad enough to be visible

i had this monitor since february of 24 and i never changed it in windows to use more than 60, i been telling myself its more fluid cause i couldnt tell the difference, but i actually saw the difference once i changed these stupid settings. cant imagine i used the monitor for straight up months without actually using the feature i bought it for.

i still feel so stupid for never changing it, lmao

literally was on a random yt adventure about things you should do with your new PC, someone mentioned this (and the part where you change it in NVIDIA settings) and damn i had a eye opening moment right then

the first couple days i was straight up stunlocked just clicking on dropdowns actually being able to see them unfold or enjoying to scroll stupidly fast

obviously in games it was very much noticeable too but i didnt think itd have that much of an impact even on everyday PC usage

[topaz fog]

it's a mistake you never make twice

[magic minnow]

https://www.phonearena.com/news/galaxy-s25-ultra-cooling-vapor-chamber-tested_id166991

[digital cliff]

lmao, well some people go their entire lives without changing the setting least you caught it before it was just late enough that you'd just have to commit to it for eternity

[fallen pasture]

how to activate numpad on the 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 keys

[marsh glade]

Use an FN layer or modtap

[magic minnow]

2 days until 5090

[fair gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1NPFFRTzLo

hahahaha

1-4% perf loss when using the 5090 in pcie 3.0 x16

[fallen pasture]

Works thanks 🤣

[sudden imp]

That’s actually insanely low for performance loss

Imma watch the video when I get a chance. How much performance loss was for pcie 4.0

[reef patrol]

One also has to think about how few people actually have a 3.0 slot combined with a 5090 to begin with.

A render farm who refuses to upgrade their motherboards? Can't be many consumers who on one hand buy a 5090, but then also cling onto a rather old motherboard and CPU at this point.

[fair gull]

basically none

within variance of testing

[rain quiver]

I just woke up from a 5090 nightmare

I dont like the person i became in it

[iron wave]

https://ericmigi.com/blog/why-were-bringing-pebble-back

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[reef patrol]

Can't wait for Apple to "accidentally" brick these third party SSDs, and then get into another legal battle with the EU over proprietary parts 😄

[crimson wigeon]

Neat, sure I'd have a look at what a new Pebble looks like

[nimble arch]

My ISP finally gave me a remotely modern router (yeah, I know). The 2.5 Gbps Ethernet port didn't require me to run a new cable to my gaming PC which is a nice bonus.

[rough patrol]

Why is your internet faster than mine in a major german city 😭

[crimson wigeon]

Germany moment

[halcyon moss]

cities usually have it worse :p

[nimble arch]

Suburbs moment

It's only coaxial though

[reef patrol]

Gigabit on Coax

You crazy, crazy Germans 😄

[nimble arch]

Virgin Media have tested a 2000/200 package on coaxial

Doesn't seem like they're deploying it

[iron wave]

They are the best smart watches.

[analog sinew]

dw this internet thing will go away soon

[nimble arch]

It's just a series of tubes

[proven turret]

It’s coming along

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/WcAqsczl3lU

ok, I want a bike.....

[severe phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/mac-iasip-ass-bike-dildo-gif-14030860

[sudden imp]

I remember that episode

[wheat plume]

he checked the battery pack and said its moderately safe....got some sort of battery controller and temp sensors and it stops charging when full

[marsh glade]

Legend has it that someone once ordered a Wooting keyboard and was shipped a mountain bike instead

[wheat plume]

LOL

Woot Bike HE when?

[severe phoenix]

Hall Effect Shocks

[halcyon moss]

omg, hes so enthusiastic about fenders

every bike must have fenders

[digital cliff]

Seth is not an electrician and he says so himself in that vid so don't make any conclusions based on "layman with overarching understading of low-voltage electronics" looking at it for 5 minutes

but ngl it seems solid for that price especially :o

[wheat plume]

yeah, he said hes never heard of the company who made the battery cells so hes not sure of the quality and safety but could potentially be fine
and he said that it has a battery control module but cant speak for how good it works

[halcyon moss]

also, who doesnt have a bike?

[digital cliff]

yeah, that's about what you'd expect

[wheat plume]

I dont, not since I was like 14 or something

[halcyon moss]

weird non-dutch ppl

[digital cliff]

almost nobody in countries that are not NL

[wheat plume]

I used to love biking way back, rode every day around the house and bike paths

[digital cliff]

like 1 in 10 people at most

[wheat plume]

I cant ride my bike at this house cause the road is too dangerous :/

cant tell if a car is gonna round the corners until its too late and you already started going around them yourself

[analog sinew]

me!

[marsh glade]

I have two

Both are broken in different ways

[halcyon moss]

how is this safe in a car?

[analog sinew]

this is called successfull integration

[marsh glade]

No no no, the successful inburgering is when my first bike was stolen

[analog sinew]

hmm

[umbral heron]

Here outside cities almost everyone has a bike

[halcyon moss]

and say goverdomme

[wheat plume]

its not, I drive at most 15km/h down this road except during the few long straight areas

[digital cliff]

I have two, both are vintage and both are built by me in varying amounts

[wheat plume]

if I meet a car, one of us needs to reverse and pull into a house driveway or a gate entrance to some field

[digital cliff]

and I don't ride either

[halcyon moss]

yeah.. irish roads were scary AF

[marsh glade]

Is cursing them with cancer and tyfus also acceptable?

[halcyon moss]

yes

[marsh glade]

[wheat plume]

the one I live on is barely wide enough for a truck to go down.....

AND ITS TWO WAY

[halcyon moss]

well.. cancer not so much anymore

klootviool

[wheat plume]

only the backwater country roads, once you hit a primary or national road or a town / village road...you are fine

[halcyon moss]

i hope discord mods doesnt understand dutch

[wheat plume]

he says in a discord server for a Dutch company

[halcyon moss]

not wooting mods

[wheat plume]

ah ok xd

(what does it mean?)

[spiral island]

I see now

[wheat plume]

I got cello viola from Translate

[halcyon moss]

"Klootviool" is a Dutch slang term that’s often used as an insult. Literally, it translates to "ball violin," but this doesn’t make sense in English. The term is a combination of two words: "kloot," which refers to "testicle" in a crude way, and "viool," meaning "violin." It’s meant to be an insulting or humorous way to call someone an idiot or a fool. However, the literal translation doesn’t capture the negative tone or intended meaning of the insult in Dutch.

In English, it would most commonly be translated as something like "idiot" or "moron," but with a rougher, more vulgar undertone.

chatgpt is much better at translating :p

[wheat plume]

:')

[spiral island]

Daily challenge: call someone a ball violin

[wheat plume]

ooooo wallet gun

[umbral heron]

https://www.pcguide.com/news/never-part-of-the-plan-amd-shuts-down-recent-rx-9070-xt-gpu-price-rumor/

[digital cliff]

also known as "nuh uh"

[sudden imp]

The “Liar Liar pants on fire” technique

[crimson wigeon]

Oh so it's going to be even more expensive

[balmy vector]

FSR 4 trillion dollars

[iron wave]

This should be illegal.

I wonder when Intel is going to overtake AMD in GPU performance.

[halcyon moss]

amd buys intel

[iron wave]

Nah, that's not going to happen.

[digital cliff]

i welcome anyone who competes with green team

[ashen spindle]

First you need to pray Intel stays in the gpu market

[digital cliff]

where yellow team

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-confused-john-travolta-gif-16946746

[ashen spindle]

China, moore threads

Team yellow

[iron wave]

Last I heard they are dedicated to getting Celestial out.

[digital cliff]

i meant a non-meme yellow team

[ashen spindle]

Celestial isn’t fully greenlit for dgpus yet

[iron wave]

Only time will tell, but I don't think they'll kill it off before that.

[latent mural]

Driving fast is ultra fun, but ofc with right procedures.

I am gonna go on the Nürburgring just to have fun, in the futue

[wheat plume]

my car can barely handle going 100km/h cause its only got 5 gears.... so no racing for me

[digital cliff]

yeah but have you tried skidding across the floor in woolen socks and seeing how far you can go?

[wheat plume]

YES OMFH THAT SHITS SO FUN

[latent mural]

I do that a lot

I even do it with shoes and when its a bit icey

[wheat plume]

xd

I shuffle like a penguin on ice

feet kept on ground

[latent mural]

I managed with right movement, to drift like 10 meters, but itwas very icey

[wheat plume]

hek yeah

[latent mural]

and right shoes ofc

Some shoes make it hard, like some i have, its just gonna be like max 10cm, because of friction

[iron wave]

Mine caps out at 144 with 0 gears.

[wheat plume]

0?

oh, automatic transmission

[iron wave]

Fixed speed transmission.

[wheat plume]

huh?

[iron wave]

Electric is cool like that.

[fresh terrace]

hi guys, I just turned on my pc and did the wooting update, since my rgb is no longer active on my wooting, is there a special key to activate?

[iron wave]

Did you try replugging?

[latent mural]

190km/h 😄 is like i can do, my friend took a pic of going around 220kmh on the highway

[fresh terrace]

yep, restarted the pc too

[iron wave]

Weird.

[fresh terrace]

100%

first time it happens to me

it works, but no RGB anymore 😦

[iron wave]

Does Wootility see it? It should be able to tell you all of the function key bindings, I think.

[fresh terrace]

yep

[iron wave]

I enjoy having a funny little cheap EV that can keep up with stupid modified cars that you can hear from miles away.

[fresh terrace]

working now lol, the update had changed the brightness to 0% lol, sorry for the inconvenience

[iron wave]

It happens.

[fresh terrace]

thanks for help @iron wave ^^

[latent mural]

No illegal installations or modifies, just from the vendor 👍

I dont like these modified cars anyways

[iron wave]

It's really fun when I'm next to one at a red light and they almost stall their car trying to shift gears while I'm already at the speed limit. :-)

[latent mural]

I mean driving careful is always good, but when its safe and in legal rooms, i like to drive a bit more faster and aggressive

but, i be honest

I use public transportation a lot, a bit more cheaper 😄

and sometimes its more reliable to get to places in cities etc.

I am not someone who uses his car all the time

[iron wave]

I only do this in a safe way.

[latent mural]

My brother e.g lives in a big city, he doesnt have a car nor a driver license, but he has for the highspeed train a yearly ticket where he doesnt pay much, and it costs like almost 10k euro annualy

like he has no necessity for a car, even tho he can afford it easily, just because hes in the big city

and with public transportation he can get ANYWHERE

[wheat plume]

If I wanna use public transportation
I need to drive to a place that has it

[iron wave]

Yeah I know the benefits of public transportation but I'm in the States.

[gentle osprey]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/s/QPZmFGGnWf

Finally more reasonable prices

Not $900 more for a ASUS ASTRAL 5080

I knew that didn’t make any sense

[bright briar]

https://tenor.com/view/loony-tunes-cat-stairs-melt-gif-16060363

[gentle osprey]

I figured the Astrals would be like $400-500 more , not fkn $800-900 more

[spiral island]

...for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else.

• Ken Kuturagi, on the price of the Playstation 3

[unkempt lake]

Sadly rhe canadian prices i showed you actually were true and are up on several retailers xd

[bright briar]

nani

what are the prices?

[unkempt lake]

Only gigabyte had 5090s at msrp and 5080 wise msi and zotac have cards at msrp

And well the FE

[analog sinew]

if i can grab one for under 1.5k thats ok i guess

[unkempt lake]

@bright briar

Based on listings from various retailers such as canada computers, prices in cad$

[gentle osprey]

Damn that’s rough

[bright briar]

i hope the rope at home depot is still cheap

might swing by to grab some

[unkempt lake]

5090 wise only the windforce is at msrp and the FE (best buy)

[rough osprey]

why dont nvidia use dlss on their stock price 🤔

[bright briar]

i bet the 4000's series card wont get cheaper either....stupid maple syrup country

[gentle osprey]

Damn I almost forgot about the PS3 pricing

And look at us now

Some people have no idea

[unkempt lake]

Nvidia is good at fading out old products for full price

You may see sales on amd 7000 tho

[gentle osprey]

Why do that when they can use framegen on their prices

[rough osprey]

only on the 90 atleast

[bright briar]

man for 4K price for a gpu i might as well go on vacation and never come back

[bright briar]

hopefully

[gentle osprey]

Nah the GPU will take you on vacation

Virtually

In your video game

[bright briar]

virtual hell

[balmy vector]

Metaverse

[gentle osprey]

[bright briar]

SAO type shit?

[gentle osprey]

Yeah

Or ready player one

[balmy vector]

You ai in the game you ai in real life

[unkempt lake]

But honestly the time to buy a gpu was months ago not now

[gentle osprey]

Buy my 4090

[bright briar]

im gonna buy it near the end of the year

[unkempt lake]

Best deals have alreasy went by us

[bright briar]

unless i see good sales sooner

[unkempt lake]

How much

[balmy vector]

You offering?

[gentle osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/tree-fiddy-south-park-lock-gif-5759991

[balmy vector]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-patrick-star-broke-poor-gif-14729256

[gentle osprey]

[balmy vector]

Mans gotta haggle a little bit

[gentle osprey]

I do actually wanna sell it kinda

[bright briar]

i got you homies with the maple syrup money

[spiral island]

I remember it vividly because it came out a couple years before I started earning a real income. I was like, well, no fuckin way I'm getting that, sticking with the Wii and my PC for the foreseeable future.

[rough osprey]

gpu kinda better then a lil vacation

[bright briar]

@unkempt lake remember how it use to look like lol

[balmy vector]

So…. Your offering?

[gentle osprey]

Sure if you wanna dm me

[balmy vector]

I’m curious what model you even have

[gentle osprey]

Rog strix Oc

Box and everything

[balmy vector]

Holy moly the chonker

[spiral island]

the nice one

[bright briar]

a fellow rog strix user

[balmy vector]

[gentle osprey]

Got it from bestbuy

[rough osprey]

man why dont they make 5070ti fe

do i really have to get a 5080 fe then

[gentle osprey]

Wait for 5080ti with 24GB

[rough osprey]

i dont need 24gb

[spiral island]

5080 doesn't seem like a great deal to me.

[gentle osprey]

I don’t like how cut down it is

[rough osprey]

cheaper then 4080 with more performance 🤔

[gentle osprey]

Wait till I show the bill for the rog astral

[unkempt lake]

Yep

I paid 1200cad for my xtx...

:3

[spiral island]

Put it up next to your rent/mortgage statement

[balmy vector]

Dm me what you’re generally looking to get for it I’ll mull it over but probably not likely ill actually take it off your hands

More or less window shopping

[gentle osprey]

Mortgage is cheaper than my 4090

[unkempt lake]

1333 aud

[gentle osprey]

Yeah I got you

[spiral island]

It would depend on whether I got FE or AIB for it to tip the scales compared to mortgage 😭

[analog sinew]

in what sense

[spiral island]

Fortunately I'm satisfied w/ 4090 so I get to keep a roof over my head

[analog sinew]

but their FE supply is ass too

[unkempt lake]

Yeah but mine was in summer 2023

You got yours recently

[rough osprey]

i just wish nvidia would remove the leds or atleast offer a option to turn them off without third party software

[gentle osprey]

Just hardware wise it seems pretty cut down to the 5090 compared to last gen 4080/4090

[analog sinew]

i just feel that the 5080 is the only thing i can buy, the 5090 is just too silly expensive

[gentle osprey]

That and the 90 is the only one that got a price increase

Rest got a price cut from last gen

In a sense everything is cheaper

Except 90 class

[balmy vector]

Gonna be interesting to see how fast they’ll go off the shelf

[rough osprey]

pls dont buy

so i can get one

[spiral island]

Buy two so you can scalp one to Toasty

[gentle osprey]

Probably just as fast if not faster

[rough osprey]

😡

[gentle osprey]

Toasty I got you for 5K

[spiral island]

This is what you call "community"

[rough osprey]

im interested

[lyric hatch]

Feel like 5090 is just a full fat GPU where as AD102 could have had a 4090 ti with a 512 bit bus but didn't

[rough osprey]

im fast

i got my own 100k bot farm

just for this drop

[gentle osprey]

5090 is 4090Ti 😉

[spiral island]

I predict FE to be effectively unobtainable by humans on the primary market

[gentle osprey]

On the primary planet you mean

Can only get FE on Mars

[spiral island]

If you wanna pay scalpers 2x+ the price I'm sure you'll be able to.

[gentle osprey]

Might have to take a 2 hr drive to the city Micro Center

Probably is at my location

[rough osprey]

i mean tbh i got time

[spiral island]

Don't forget to trawl every aisle "just in case" while you're there

[rough osprey]

3090 is okay enough....

[spiral island]

3090 is still great

[rough osprey]

does produce a few frames a day

[gentle osprey]

Gotta find the hidden ones

[balmy vector]

Time to eat it

[oblique solstice]

that card is still amazing

[lyric hatch]

Might just hold onto my PC for another generation

3060 ti still doing the thing

[cursive summit]

https://itc.ua/en/news/facebook-calls-linux-a-cybersecurity-threat-and-bans-people-who-mention-the-os/

Huh????

[reef patrol]

They've done weird filter shit like this before.

[unkempt lake]

Vram is the only thing that card struggles with

[gentle osprey]

Apparently Denver Micro Center isn’t allowing camping

[rigid tinsel]

wasnt it only distrowatch which is banned

[gentle osprey]

I might have a chance

[spiral island]

Good luck my dude

[unkempt lake]

imagine camping for an electronic device

[gentle osprey]

Ima shove em in my pants

Wear some Mc hammer parachute pants

[rigid tinsel]

materialsm yippie

[unkempt lake]

How deep is your ass cam

[gentle osprey]

Shallow

[spiral island]

I've never camped for one, but I waited in line for like 6 hours for a Wii

[gentle osprey]

Yeah I’ve never camped for anything

I’ve waited in line at GameStop back in the day

For midnight releases

[spiral island]

Honestly kinda fun

[gentle osprey]

Yeah

Good times

[rigid tinsel]

i showed up like 6h early to miku concert but was fun

people in the queue were hype af

[gentle osprey]

Idk if I’ll actually go to the Denver micro center but maybe

[spiral island]

Exactly, when you're all in it together for something fun you can get a pretty fun atmosphere going. Not sure about GPUs though, due to scalping T_T

[rigid tinsel]

the guy waiting 6h in line is hype for his markup :DD

[spiral island]

Sure, just a bit more grim

[gentle osprey]

Haha yeah idk what the GPU atmosphere would be like tbh

Probably a bunch of arrogance

[spiral island]

I would not expect the most immaculate of vibes

[gentle osprey]

Yeah who knows, I’d like to be wrong ofc lol

[unkempt lake]

@spiral island i like your pfp

Nice dinosaur

[spiral island]

Why thanks, that's Bub from Bubble Bobble.

[lyric hatch]

Wouldn't say vram is the only thing going on in fact I don't think I've had a single issue that was vram related

Mainly just general slow performance because it's not that fast

[gentle osprey]

Just sleepin in their cars in the lot

The micro center discord as of 4 hours ago said they didn’t see anyone camping there at that location

Maybe I can grab two

Come back with a disguise

Yeah

[spiral island]

🕵️

[unkempt lake]

Say you have multiple personalities

[lyric hatch]

No new PC but might be new phone time

[gentle osprey]

Get you a Nokia 3310

Or if you want a small upgrade get you the Nokia 2780

[lyric hatch]

Had an old Nokia back in the day, been through about 10 phones since that though

Think I replaced my Nokia with a Sony Ericsson

[umbral heron]

DeepSeek ban incoming https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/28/deepseek-ai-us-response

[wheat yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/ripped-off-muscle-macho-body-gif-16227729

[sudden imp]

Banning it does nothing

[analog sinew]

yea but does a trump admin know that

[astral haven]

Ah yes much censored

yep

im kinda sad that ollama cant run off disk (including paging file) , i actually need to get 400+gb of memory if i want to run it with this webui 😦

[halcyon moss]

I'm curious when low power hardware becomes available for workloads like these. Like for home use

[gentle osprey]

2030

[halcyon moss]

Or will npus in mobile chips become powerful enough..?

I just want it to help home assistant

[astral haven]

the bottom models can run on phones and arent even obscenely slow

[lyric hatch]

They do be cramming a lot of AI into the latest phones

Not convinced it's at the point where it is actually useful, but I guess I'll play around with my s25 ultra when it arrives

[astral haven]

but the models beating openai require 400GB of ram, its not optional
and for every "word" you need to process around 20GB of data out of that 400GB, so multiply your ram speed by that and you get the speed of the ai

even if the phone did have 400gb of ram, it would only be able to handle around 2 words per second which is obscenely slow

[unkempt lake]

https://videocardz.com/newz/dlss-swapper-now-support-amd-fsr-3-1-and-intel-xess-dll-swapping

[fickle ore]

Alibaba just released a better DeepSeek

[astral haven]

nah
deepseek is a thinker not a doer

[lyric hatch]

Offloaded to cloud and paid subscription seems to be how they get around that

[astral haven]

yep, but that aint

[thick elk]

inb4 deepseek (the app) is just chatgpt in a trenchcoat. (probably not but would be funny and not the first time)

[astral haven]

Even if it is, the fact that I can download it and run it locally is insane

[thick elk]

That's true, have to look into it more it is definitely great to exist, but I am sure they undersold the cost of training it and such.
It's interesting at the very least.

[astral haven]

The only major ai company that isn't releasing exactly how they build all of their AIs online is OpenAI.
If you have some time, a lot of data, some good programmers, and a decent idea to improve the ai, you can do it with just a couple million bucks

With a very small amount of money you can finetune an existing ai, and this is not that

[thick elk]

I am sure chinese regulations around data, may also make things easier, though I don't know how much they benefitted from that.

Obtaining some training data / enforcement of that. But really I am not productive here, I'll just leave this convo.

[astral haven]

Remember this isn't one of the CCP controlled companies, it's a much smaller organization who just did everything efficiently

If the Alibaba model was the one breaking records sure maybe, but deepseek ain't ali group

[thick elk]

Yea, fair no big connections either, as for CCP collecting data, I am sure they have plenty of non-chinese data too / are just more loose around protecting it, then again the US is not particularly strict either, and even the EU is not that great here atm.

[astral haven]

Its mostly an English model lol

How does it benchmark in Chinese?

[fickle ore]

Losing to R1 still ig

[gusty kiln]

Fuckton of 4090D probably

[fickle ore]

No, theyre not mining company they're a quant with mining sideproject

apparently a research team and funded by the quant fund

idk specifics

[astral haven]

they have a different ai that is multimodal

[astral haven]

vl is alibaba

https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/Janus-Pro-7B

[vagrant pagoda]

the vl is amazing

janus is pretty meh

[astral haven]

literally arent benchmarks out yet lol

https://github.com/deepseek-ai/Janus/blob/main/images/teaser_januspro.png?raw=true

[vagrant pagoda]

im not saying its fast, but using it it has been pretty crap at image to text and text to image

[astral haven]

first party bs exists ofc, but wait for benchmarks as always

[vagrant pagoda]

its nice it dose both, but it dosent do either well

now for the size its amazing

use better prompts or use a good upscaler

[cursive summit]

While americans are bickering over DeepSeek, another chinese startup releases a competitive model

[astral haven]

"startup"
ah yes the startup alibaba

[gentle osprey]

Another earthly distraction to stop us all from doing what really matters…

[fair gull]

yoooo

BW secrets is now available for self hosting

[unkempt lake]

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-delays-geforce-rtx-5090-official-us-store-availability-to-february-6

Tariffs while stock is already in the us = free money

[ashen spindle]

what

[unkempt lake]

Because then you have an excuse to raise your price

Even on units that you never had to pay a tarrif on as the importer

[ashen spindle]

what, the shipments are delayed thats why they dont have stock for things, aka shit isnt in the us yet

[unkempt lake]

Retailers already have some stock they just don't have all of it

They could sell what they have already

But instead they're gonna wait

[ashen spindle]

?? for one the tarrifs arent going to come in a week

[unkempt lake]

Feb 1st

No?

[ashen spindle]

theres literally no date set for them aside from trump saying he wants to do it

[unkempt lake]

Guess we'll see what happens then

[ashen spindle]

and no they dont have stock thats litearlly what the msi sources in the quoted tweet said

lunar new year means shit is delayed like its been every single year around this time

[unkempt lake]

Anyhow i'm more worried about trump's 25% tariff on canada than him doing some crap with china or taiwan and making your electronics more expensive

[ashen spindle]

lmao its going to make everyones stuff more expensive

us makes tarrifs? guess eu pricing goes up to compensate for lower sales

[unkempt lake]

But the american consumer will get the brunt of it

[ashen spindle]

maybe, maybe not

if they make the math that 10% overall price increase in the world is a bigger gain than just 25% in the us they'll do that

[unkempt lake]

All depends on if the manufacturers think consumers from outside of the us are willing to accept paying for americans and keep buying

Technically increasing prices worldwide makes sense but you also risk upsetting your customers

[ashen spindle]

so? you going to buy intel instead of a 5090? xD

[unkempt lake]

Risk reward machine go brr

[unkempt lake]

I'm not gonna buy either of them

[ashen spindle]

yes I meant a buyer of a 5090

[unkempt lake]

If i was in the market for a card for personal use with that kinda cash I'd go buy a 4090 instead

[ashen spindle]

not being made anymore so only used

oh I got one on release xD I'm eyeing a 5090 because at this point theres a chance I can sell the 4090 for more than I bought it for with this demand lol

or if you keep them for more than one generation like most people

[unkempt lake]

Upgrading every 2 gens is what i've done

And generally i don't sell, i pass it on or i repurpose

👀

Moumou is

Beautiful

And awesome

It's not her fault she has a flat face

[lyric hatch]

My neighbors cats have adopted me

[unkempt lake]

Also sorry but there's already 2 people listed to take moumou if somehow i spontaneously combust

You can have her if they both spontaneously combust as well tho

Deal random discord user?

damn we all gonna burn

What it i made moumou nfts

And moumoucoins

In the blockchain

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-cat-pump-gif-23664149

[wheat yacht]

Why does bro look like an old man

[unkempt lake]

idk she was being purritoed

In the blanky

[gentle osprey]

basically what I plan to do

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/best-time-to-sell-your-used-4090s-is-now.329741/page-3

[unkempt lake]

Just don't sell it before you get a 5090 lol

That'd be a terrible mistake

[gentle osprey]

yeah Im not in a rush

if I can get at least 70% of what I paid for it, im happy

[unkempt lake]

Remember when people panic sold 2080 tis and then the 30 series released and they were stuck with no gpu?

[magic minnow]

20xx buyers are clowns

[unkempt lake]

I owned a 2080

[magic minnow]

1080ti god

[magic minnow]

Friendly fire

[unkempt lake]

2080 was a good upgrade from my 980 lmao

[gentle osprey]

I skipped every generation after GTX 900 then jumped back in at RTX 40 series

[unkempt lake]

900 series was great

[gentle osprey]

I had a evga 970

[unkempt lake]

https://www.zotac.com/us/product/graphics_card/geforce®-gtx-980-amp-extreme

I had the amp extreme from zotac

[severe phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/zotac-zoltan-bakamitai-gif-18656640

[lyric hatch]

Damn that's a hefty upgrade I went from 970 to 5700 xt and that was a big upgrade (aside from the crashing)

[vagrant pagoda]

900 was great, 1000 is goat

[lyric hatch]

1080 ti was peak

[spiral island]

2x 970 in SLI

[vagrant pagoda]

Took a 1000w 5090 to take the last 1080to record

[pale sigil]

That sweet 7gb ram

[stark fox]

Anyone knows about Tenz arm monitor ?

[unkempt lake]

Funny meme

Ok now i go bed @crisp granite

[bright briar]

what?

[stark fox]

The arm monitor that Tenz used ?

[analog sinew]

ew ew ew

that 5080 4090 5090 distribution stinks

[umbral heron]

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/facebook-flags-linux-topics-as-cybersecurity-threats-posts-and-users-being-blocked

[analog sinew]

facebook in 2k25

[cedar fog]

finally recognizing linux users as they are

a threat to society

[analog sinew]

tech peeps what do you say, wait for 50series and join the melee or just buy 7900xtx for 900-1000€ ?

[gentle osprey]

nah bro get 50 series, join the hype

You dont want generated frames when you're already getting 100+ fps?

you could be getting 300 fps bro

think about it

reflex 2 will reduce your latency to be non-existent

[analog sinew]

i dont know what to do 😢

[gentle osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-jensen-huang-the-more-you-buy-the-more-you-save-keynote-2018-gif-12315008507302833354

so small

and beautiful

just look at jensen looking at it

you'll be smiling the same way he is

and your wallet will be lighter

and his heavier

[wind moss]

Dual 5090 sli build when?

[gentle osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-gif-12639877674493562634

[gentle osprey]

what do you have right now anyway

[analog sinew]

2070super

[gentle osprey]

cpu?

resolution?

[analog sinew]

9800x3d, i built a new system waiting for gpu upgrade, 1440p

pc is all new just old gpu

[gentle osprey]

well if you're gonna spend that on a 7900xtx you may as well wait and get a 5080

you said 900-1000

[analog sinew]

yes

[gentle osprey]

eur albeit but