Seems to have changed again
#🔌│tech
cursive summit
Yeah Philip keeps doing this, the thumbnail is fuckin weird before he changes that to something normal
reef patrol
magic minnow
12 days until the 5090
balmy vector
Waiting for the driver update 
digital cliff
quiet remnant
Thats tech🔥🔥
pale sigil
Seems to have changed again
I think it's a recent trend, I've seen it in other places.
cursive summit
I have yet to see a thumbnail of a man licking his cat
But.. you do you whatever places you visit 
analog sinew
I have yet to see a thumbnail of a man licking his cat
they lick themselves too, so its only natural, like breastfeeding adult children.
cursive summit
XFX said the same date, Jan 24th I think
It's barely 6 days I wonder if reviewers have theirs yet
fair gull
why does 7z sugg so much on linux
vagrant pagoda
vagrant pagoda
why does 7z sugg so much on linux
Are you using open source or closed sorce?
vagrant pagoda
That's the good one
vagrant pagoda
What version is it?
Maybe just a package issue
Yeah 7zip wasn't native to Linux for a long time
fair gull
i want the encryption part
vagrant pagoda
You don't want p7zip
You want normal 7zip
P7zip is from when the official 7zip didn't have Linux support
It stopped development even 7zip started making official Linux versions
Remove p7zip and get normal 7zip
fair gull
is the package name just 7zip?
ok yes it is but apparently doesnt have the all encompassing 7z command
nimble arch
Pretty good of MSI to fix an issue that the likes of ASUS and Dell haven't on displays using identical panels
fair gull
oh yeah had to use bookworm backports to get the newer 7zip
vagrant pagoda
Pretty good of MSI to fix an issue that the likes of ASUS and Dell haven't on di...
It's probably a longevity issue they don't want to deal with
Also Odin portal looks like the best option on switch emulation. Big bright OLED is dope for handheld
unkempt lake
https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1i2w3st/the_new_msi_firmware_updat...
@crisp granite your monitor's on the list
moumou update
proven turret
I’m about to buy the 5090 when it comes out, is it actually gonna be any good? Lots of ppl with the 4090 are malding everywhere so idk if it’s actually any good
marsh glade
If you have cash burning a hole in your wallet and need to spend it, there's worse generations to buy into
I have a 3070 and don't feel any desire to upgrade to the 50xx
unkempt lake
I have a 3070 and don't feel any desire to upgrade to the 50xx
Most people don't realistically need to upgrade their stuff
In the first place
marsh glade
Ehh 20xx owners and earlier would see substantial improvements
halcyon moss
My 5700xt is okay.. But I don't run new titles
dusk tusk
If i change my switches from the stock lekker switches to jade pro switches, do i have to change my actuation settings, since the jade pro Total Travel is 3.5 compared to 4
unkempt lake
Ehh 20xx owners and earlier would see substantial improvements
I mean Nico's happy with a 2080 at 1440p, just lowers a few settings
As long as the games still look good and are enjoyable that's what matters
Hardware's only as good as what gets played on it
2025's gonna be such a boring year games wise for pc
ashen spindle
I mean Nico's happy with a 2080 at 1440p, just lowers a few settings
this only agrees with marks point xD
unkempt lake
Only exciting games are gonna be uh... ps5 ports (FF7 and spiderman2) and for proper pc releases we have uh... doom and mafia
unkempt lake
this only agrees with marks point xD
Ain't no new game to play anyways xD
balmy vector
Monstie Hunter
unkempt lake
Monstie Hunter<:Baldmas:1318619638388625408>
Idk about that one chief. Modern MH is alright but nothing exceptional
ashen spindle
that doesnt change the point still that 20 series owners would see big improvements xD
unkempt lake
Maybe we could add AC Shadows to the list of games but i'm skeptical
analog sinew
Monstie Hunter<:Baldmas:1318619638388625408>
yees
are we gonna have a wooting hunting squad
theres a lot of peeps in here :D
marsh glade
I mean Nico's happy with a 2080 at 1440p, just lowers a few settings
2080 is a fine card, can run practically anything and look pretty decent
ashen spindle
2080 is fine, 50 series delivers considerable upgrades to it, both statements are true
marsh glade
If I had a 2080 right now, I would be planning to keep an eye on second hand prices for an upgrade once the 50xx start delivering, but I wouldn't be ready to jump on any purchase unless it was a great price
With my 3070, I'm not even thinking about considering an upgrade
analog sinew
i have a 2070S and i will grab a 5080
fair gull
im happy with going to 4090 from a 2080ti already
more frames without any dlss or such
analog sinew
yea well if the price for the 4090 maeks more sense maybe i get that
dont rly wanna shell out 2+k tho
fair gull
well yeah for me i built a whole new pc anyway so spending 1.3k on a 4090 was ok
marsh glade
I don't think you'll have any luck with a well priced unused 4090
But second hand yea
fair gull
and if the 5090 perf increase is good ill build a second one. that way me and my gf have pcs we can use for the next 10yrs
analog sinew
well yeah for me i built a whole new pc anyway so spending 1.3k on a 4090 was ok
i am building a new pc too but man thats such a chunk o money
fair gull
and not need to upgrade anything except storage
analog sinew
5080 probably good enough and not 600W of nonsense
sudden imp
Will the 5090 actually reach 575 watts in most realistic cases?
balmy vector
My 4080 will last my a good good time
fair gull
Will the 5090 actually reach 575 watts in most realistic cases?
prob not
ashen spindle
dont rly wanna shell out 2+k tho
what about shelling out <2k€, want mine for cheap 1999€? shipping is free!
marsh glade
I'm kinda regretting not getting that CPU quin
ashen spindle
it's still available 
marsh glade
Ooeh
fair gull
ill have a 3070 i somehow need to get rid of when my gfs pc gets replaced
graceful wedge
What mouse should I reccomend my brother? He has my v2 pro but it works, just sensors being weird on his pc so I’m not sure what’s the issue since the mouse was perfectly fine on my pc
marsh glade
Sounds like you need to investigate that before changing the mouse
graceful wedge
I’m thinking something’s wrong with the sensor, swapped out the scates and cleaned it, swapped mousepads, anyone got suggestions on what I should do then?
analog sinew
what surface is it on?
fair gull
you said it was fine on your pc
graceful wedge
Wooden table
analog sinew
no mousepad?
graceful wedge
no mousepad?
Nah he has a mousepad but it was dirty
So I let him try it on my old clothpad (only used it like once)
So mousepads not the issue
analog sinew
yea just chekin
fair gull
if the mouse works on another pc its not a mouse issue
trim crane
Will the 5090 actually reach 575 watts in most realistic cases?
i dont think so, probably more like 480-500
steady sail
i want get my hand on a 9070 XT or non-xt
unkempt lake
i want get my hand on a 9070 XT or non-xt
but hungary
steady sail
i would buy that
reef patrol
The Walgreens fiasko continues. 😄
analog sinew
typical "smart" bullshit. Not everything needs to be a screen but ig we can also waste more resources because of dumb "leadership"
fickle ore
steady sail
but hungary
yeah but i would even buy a 7800xt
cedar fog
man smart screen doors
marsh glade
Imagine this: a screen that lets you see what's inside of a door
cedar fog
they should have just bought those digital paper tags
cedar fog
so they can redo prices easier
no imagine the ad space
watch an ad to unlock the fridge
wheat plume
Yep that legit what they want to use it for
marsh glade
"You need to watch this 15 second video add before you can see that we've run out of stock on Ben and Jerry's"
marsh glade
I bought a shirt in 2007 that says in big letters, "Stop bitching and start a revolution"
It comes back in vogue every few years, still have it to this day
halcyon moss
But I need to drink my verification can!
cedar fog
lowkey they should make it so if you watch the ad you get a coupon
halcyon moss
Don't find ways to encourage this dystopian shit
analog sinew
i am scared of removing these rubber fan mounts tomorrow
unkempt lake
unkempt lake
i am scared of removing these rubber fan mounts tomorrow
Just... use screws
analog sinew
Just... use screws
that doesnt remove them does it
halcyon moss
https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/pc-gaming/ea-will-shut-down-the-origin-...
Do I need to do anything to not lose my games?
unkempt lake
Do I need to do anything to not lose my games?
Switch to the new EA app thing
halcyon moss
I mean.. It's tied to the origin account right?
crimson wigeon
Yeah
unkempt lake
I mean.. It's tied to the origin account right?
Yep
Its just if you want to play an ea game you'll have to install the new app
Old one will no longer work
bright briar
tech
sharp badger
They're so damn long though and some are so thick
vapid ruin
Ryzen 4070 real
sharp badger
Really want a Nvidia FE card but just don't need it when looking at the games releasing this year
astral haven
yea but how about monitors...
sharp badger
Will probably just take this year to decide for a SFF or new mid case next year
Yeah looking at new monitors and desks instead
ashen spindle
meh the good monitors I'm waiting for with better dpi and oled screens are coming end of the year
cursive summit
astral haven
im saying more think about the monitor as an extension of the gpu purchase
sharp badger
Yep
cedar fog
https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-radeon-rx-9070-xt-tuf-graphics-cards-gets-first...
whats up with this image tho
did they blur on purpose
astral haven
if you are planning on getting a 1080p monitor, yea no gpu needed
astral haven
but if you are planning on 4k, especially hrr, even 5090 wont do that
sharp badger
OLED is tempting but feels like i should just go with something else instead
ashen spindle
I want the 4k ultrawide oled panels coming end of this year
sharp badger
4k would be nice
astral haven
i want more than 4k, but it seems like thats a next year thing
sharp badger
Probably
ashen spindle
well its 5120x2160, dont think more than that will make much sense for a while
sharp badger
Quite happy with having a 27inch and a tablet as a secondary monitor
cursive summit
What on earth is a CUDIMM and why am I seeing discussions whether or not AMD is going to support them
Is that like a new variant on the whole ECC non-ECC thing
astral haven
yea but i see pixels at 4k27, i want 6k 32 preferably, or 8k42
thick ermine
I’m waiting for the HBR20 1440p 500Hz OLEDs from CES to drop.
cursive summit
Yeah that doesn't have any layman's answers
Seems like they just clock normal memory higher with new controllers?
sharp badger
The AW was interesting for a while but dunno might just want a 27'' monitor again
Got an Asus Rog PG279 which is quite ''old'' now but it's still good, think it's from 2015?
Just overall think wasting money on marginal upgrades every year is unnecessary be that phones, gpus, cpus whatever even though i can afford it
ashen spindle
likely not
because current io dies dont really make use of higher speeds
and next socket is a decent chance to be lpcamm only
for consumer it also doesnt really matter, if you want a certain speed it will by jedec standard be a cudimm, you dont have to look out for them
lpcamm works different its basically laptop memory
cursive summit
Starting January 16, 2025, Microsoft has begun automatically downloading Windows 11 24H2 on fully-compatible PCs.
Well, Microsoft making 11 worse again for everyone
ashen spindle
cudimm is for socketed sticks, we likely wont have socketed dimms on am6
cedar fog
i actually like 11 over 10
pretty good they fixed a lot of the issues i had
context menus are still kinda mid tho
ashen spindle
this is likely the memory for next socket
cursive summit
It fixes none of the issues I ever had
I'll just stay on 10
Prolly store all my passwords in an encrypted vault and just.. whatever, if you just get malware who cares just reset
cedar fog
I'll just stay on 10
it would be nice if they actually stripped out all the junk leftover from prior versions
cursive summit
Not supporting Microsoft's bs nor am I switching to Linux yet
cursive summit
Maybe if SteamOS is actually not torture and is good for normal desktop usage.. meh
sharp badger
Would be interested to switch to Linux just to start learning something new
ashen spindle
its a different memory spec
cursive summit
LPCAMM2 is nice but we're not likely to get it until.. Zen 7?
Will require a brand new socket prolly
ashen spindle
ah sk hynix had a test platform at ces
cudimm isnt a new thing
the c just means you have a clock retrainer which is in spec for 6400 or higher jedec
cursive summit
CUDIMM is already on sale from what I'm seeing, not even that expensive, very fast
ashen spindle
it makes it easier for the manufacturers it doesnt actually change anything
cursive summit
Intel seems to already support CUDIMM, AMD not yet but we'll see if X870 as support
karmic phoenix
Goodbye discord 
cursive summit
https://x.com/teamspeak/status/1880714470894530720?t=MXSEQTrGlu0fyXhz8REn3Q&s=19
TeamSpeak is actually embracing modernity? Cool
ashen spindle
if you have ddr5-7000 on a cudimm vs a ddr5-7000 on no cudimm it works the exact same
karmic phoenix
TeamSpeak is actually embracing modernity? Cool
It's about time
cedar fog
its so crunched together
ashen spindle
so as consumer cudimm isnt anything you need to think about
cursive summit
LPCAMM2 will be cool to finally see in consumer products in.. 2027
Maybe even '28
nimble arch
https://x.com/teamspeak/status/1880714470894530720?t=MXSEQTrGlu0fyXhz8REn3Q&s=19
Only a decade too late but I'll allow it
quiet remnant
Teamspeak becoming discord
ashen spindle
the way to buy amd mobos is: look at the b650 hdv from asrock, does that have all the specs you need? buy it, if not go up in price till it has all the features you need
sharp badger
Would desktop mobos even go for this ''standard''?
ashen spindle
ah sk hynix had a test platform at ces
yes see here
camm2 is already a thing for now and will probably be there in the transition but we likely will never get ddr6 on consumer desktop
sharp badger
Hmm was thinking of upgrading to a X870E but maybe 2026 is the year to upgrade
sharp badger
Ah ok 🤔
ashen spindle
just think of it like you get ddr6 but ddr6 looks more different
biggest reason: cheaper to produce only one spec and cheaper/better to have only one memory controller on cpus for desktop and laptop
less validation, less different silicon etc.
sharp badger
Yeah well went ''early adopter'' for DDR5 so would just be better to buy some good ram for a X870E then
ashen spindle
honestly I just really hope it happens like this and not as an option because there is a good chance OC will be locked on it and I would love if we dont need to deal with stupid memory OC marketing lol
sharp badger
Yeah
ashen spindle
you need to ignore ramspeed
sharp badger
Wouldn't AM6 be cudimm if so?
ashen spindle
the setup would be different
what we use on desktop is udimm, cudimm just adds some things thats needed by the spec to allow higher specs in jedec timings
but xmp/manual oc can already go to what cudimms do anyway
so if am6 would be ddr6, cudimm might not even be a thing at all there
sharp badger
The DDR5 i've got currently is ''decent'' which could be used for a AM5 build because i've got 16gb DDR5 laying around for the old build if i so choose
ashen spindle
if we get lpcamm, lpddr5x already has up to 8500MT as speeds, but its different ram so the numbers dont mean the same thing
sharp badger
Like DDR4 -> DDR5 was with speeds/latency
It shows as quad channel on DDR5, DDR5 modules are dual channel
sharp badger
Yep
ashen spindle
no I said zen7
wheat plume
Yall heard of Material You design by Google, now get ready for.....
cursive summit
Tbf does CAMM2 even need extended CPU support so, the need for a new socket?
ashen spindle
camm2 is ddr memory in a different form it doesnt need cpu support
msi has shown some camm2 boards for arrowlake
lpcamm is lpddr so yes different memory
no, lpcamm2
cursive summit
Is it not unlikely with Zen 6 which is still, 2026?
ashen spindle
zen6 is still am5
cursive summit
Well yes but do they need AM6
ashen spindle
top is CAMM, bottom is LPCAMM
camm is just your current ddr sticks but flat basically, doesnt need cpu support
lpcamm uses lpddr, if the cpu doesnt support lpddr5x right now it cant use it
cursive summit
So yeah Zen 6 with the 900 chipset could be a thing
ashen spindle
no because its still am5
the entire point of lpcamm is to use only one memory controller for laptop and desktop
if you use both anyway you dont get any benefit really
cursive summit
And why does that matter, AM5 is just socket
ashen spindle
and if its on am5 it needs to support ddr5
cursive summit
What's your current
I'm still on Zen 2 and it's fine
Lol so the brand spanking new stuff lel
Your memory is a bit slow though
That CPU will easily hold until AM6
5800X3D is still fine
sharp badger
Payed 230€ for this in 2022 lol
astral haven
the entire point of lpcamm is to use only one memory controller for laptop and d...
socket fm3 when lel
cursive summit
I wonder if by the time Zen 6 comes out B650 motherboards will get the same issues that AM4 had where they ran out of memory or something like that lol and you had to flash BIOS that removed some system features or something like that to support Zen 3
ashen spindle
they wont
am4 didnt even have it just the first gen boards that used lower memory capacity, everything after used much larger memory
unkempt lake
Yep
cursive summit
Jesus christ I keep forgetting the whole Zen+ thing
unkempt lake
But zen 2 can still handle most games well
cursive summit
The only reason I upgraded from R5 3600 to 5600 is cause my 3600 literally died
unkempt lake
The only reason I upgraded from R5 3600 to 5600 is cause my 3600 literally died ...
Somehow 3600's dying is kind of a regular thing
Usually mobos die before the cpu
cursive summit
Indeed, I found multiple posts with them dying
unkempt lake
But 3600s just tend to die randomly
cursive summit
Dunno what was up with the 3600, and sadly mine died too
sharp badger
Just don't feel the need to upgrade the CPU in the current socket i've got so feels like a new PC will be built
cursive summit
I replaced all the parts and the CPU was the last thing to check, nothing brought it back to life until I got a new CPU
Weird that it died but.. eh, happens
sharp badger
Yeah the 5820k i had chugged on fine
unkempt lake
I think amd just fucked up with the 3600's durability somehow xD
cursive summit
You know what is funny though? The piece of shit that is the FX-8350 from 10 years back STILL runs just fine on my parents rig
And my R5 3600 died
Talk about irony
unkempt lake
Out of 3 people i know that had one
1 lost a memory channel
1 had the thing die
1 was fine
vapid ruin
I mean R5 5600 is showing age
uwaa, my cpu~
unkempt lake
And you say yours died as well so
ashen spindle
sample size of 3
okay so not relevant data
cursive summit
There's plenty more
unkempt lake
>sample size of 3
okay so not relevant data
Look it up buddy
cursive summit
When I looked it up it wasn't an unheard thing weirdly
ashen spindle
memory controller issues maybe but not cpus dieing
cursive summit
Which is on.. the CPU
unkempt lake
memory controller issues maybe but not cpus dieing
Heard of both
cursive summit
And the user cannot fix that
unkempt lake
Also look up greg salazar's fix or flop series
He's had plenty of rigs with 3600s dying
ashen spindle
there is a big difference between cpu ded and cant use one memory channel lol
cursive summit
I've replaced mem sticks first, then motherboard, then started swapping GPUs, it just wouldn't boot
CPU swap brought it back to life so got the 5600, decent CPU
Tbf my R5 3600 started bluescreening a lot back then in its last few months before it just stopped booting altogether
analog sinew
buying cpus on ali
cursive summit
Ali is a weird place cause I've seen plenty a post on PCmasterrace of insanely good prices on CPUs
But I do not trust that place at all
analog sinew
that site is so seedy.
it constantly tries to open popups n shit
i would never buy from that place.
cursive summit
Aliexpress at least you won't get scammed most of the time, what you get though is still a lottery if it works
analog sinew
idk theres enough scammers and shit products on ebay and amazon
dont really need more of that
thick ermine
If you buy on aliexpress make sure it’s listed as “choice.”
unkempt lake
I would never buy anything expensive on ali
astral haven
aliexpress is better than amazon on that front since there are more user reviews
they do a better job of debotting ime
unkempt lake
aliexpress is better than amazon on that front since there are more user reviews
Ever tried returning a product on ali? Lol
Or had a chinese seller tell you to send it back?
astral haven
never needed to 🤷
unkempt lake
Sometimes shit arrives broken it's part of getting something shipped from china
thick ermine
Ever tried returning a product on ali? Lol
If it’s listed as choice it’s not bad, but def not as good as Amazon. If it’s not listed as choice, it’s a gamble.
sharp badger
Somethings that are ordered from Amazon might be from Aliexpress so just look at stuff and who ships (Do your research)
unkempt lake
That's the way i view it
No refunds because its such a pita
So yeah i'd rather buy from amazon and benefit from the return policy
Even if yes sometimes its the same product
I only buy inexpensive stuff i don't mind taking a loss on on ali
thick ermine
One of my friends bought a mini excavator from Ali and the thing is pretty cool. Not the most effective though.
sharp badger
It's hit or miss both from Amazon or Ali, sometimes Amazon wouldn't ship stuff
thick ermine
It's hit or miss both from Amazon or Ali, sometimes Amazon wouldn't ship stuff
Amazon doesn’t ship a lot of stuff here. But they also don’t take most of my returns and just refund
sharp badger
Oh wtf that mini excavator is nice lol
thick ermine
Yeah it was like 2k. Perfect for small diy or narrow jobs but that’s about it.
astral haven
only times ive ever had to not return stuff is when they send the wrong stuff (amazon)
unkempt lake
only times ive ever had to not return stuff is when they send the wrong stuff (a...
Amazon returns are crazy easy tho
thick ermine
I got the scuf envision pro and was having driver issues like crazy with it and iCUE. Tried to process a return but ups said that I’d have to do 2nd day shipping since it has a lithium battery (don’t know how that changes it because they’ll still fly it) and Amazon didn’t want to pay for that so they just let me keep the controller. Sold it on marketplace for like $100 😂
They have to ship to an importer in your area (they don’t deliver it to your home).
The one my buddy got has a tiny little Honda motor in it and while it can’t do anything like lift up large logs, it sure beats using a shovel to dig up something like post holes for house decks.
sharp badger
Yeah
thick ermine
I used it this past summer to dig an irrigation trench and help with minor grading on the side of my property
They have food trucks that are more
Literally buy a whole trailer
Like I said, the big things like that go directly to an importer since you can’t just have usps deliver something like that to you.
astral haven
the one releasing next week?
sharp badger
Not even next week
astral haven
rip
sharp badger
Yeah and the 5080 on the 30th
bright briar
bright briar
30th
ty
and thx to everyone for letting me know
(found this video and its crazy how much thinner it is compared to the 4090)
sharp badger
Yeah will be interesting to see how it holds up
bright briar
oh i didnt know that
thick ermine
Only way to get the FE in the US on launch is from NVIDIA storefront and Best Buy
distant tapir
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkc9E726K3I
Do they very slightly increase the saturation in their thumbnails? There's something subtly fake and acidic about the colours. I hate it
sharp badger
To catch the viewers attention, psychology
thick ermine
Do they very slightly increase the saturation in their thumbnails? There's somet...
It’s because they photoshop him in front of the background and mess up the lighting and saturation to make it pop.
sage perch
Well as long as they don't have a repeat of their cards connectors melting or lighting on fire things should go well for them. Way too expensive for me sadly atm.
distant tapir
To catch the viewers attention, psychology
It almost feels demeaning. Like they think you're a child
astral haven
the bright pink wall doesnt hint at the fact that they might have interesting lighting?
sharp badger
It almost feels demeaning. Like they think you're a child
Yeah
thick ermine
Well as long as they don't have a repeat of their cards connectors melting or li...
I like the position of the founders cards. Allows for it to sit deeper in the card and lessen the bend which was a cause for many of the connectors to melt
thick ermine
I doubt the FE will have a waterblock anytime soon for it since it’s not the reference card. Not that I care since I don’t run watercooling in my system at all
sharp badger
Yeah would want the FE as it is
The urge to get a FE card is high just because of the opportunity for a SFF build later lol
distant tapir
The urge to get a FE card is high just because of the opportunity for a SFF buil...
I think it looks excellent and that is a big reason for me. Small size is a good bonus
sharp badger
Yep
distant tapir
FE is also usually cheapest for me
sage perch
Looking forward to actual benchmarks where we can see where the 5070 really is compared to the 4090 without the AI shenanigans.
steady sail
Looking forward to actual benchmarks where we can see where the 5070 really is c...
thats a month away
sharp badger
Still the game i'd like to play will only release on consoles this year (Or next depending on if it's delayed) and a 5000 series card won't solve that
ashen spindle
dont need to wait a month you can already look at results to see its bs
sage perch
I can't think of many console exclusives tbh.
analog sinew
Looking forward to actual benchmarks where we can see where the 5070 really is c...
the 50series will have the same 10-20% uplift every gen has nad thats it
gentle osprey
analog sinew
i mean AI framgen/ AI rendering are cool techs
and could really boost the way games work
if devs are too dumb to optimize a render pipeline maybe AI can
but selling it as equal performance is typical nvidia slimy nonsense
sage perch
It's cool but it shouldn't be used as a crutch for optimization. I was sorely disappointed with Monster Hunter Wilds because it did exactly that.
analog sinew
yeah that ran like ass. hope they had time to improve it.
sharp badger
Embargo lifts soon so will see performance then of the card
ashen spindle
its the same engine as dragons dogma which ran like shit, so the engine just isnt made for it
dont see performance improve there at all
sage perch
Well the beta comes out next month so if it still runs terribly I'm definitely not buying.
analog sinew
i just need the game
analog sinew
Well the beta comes out next month so if it still runs terribly I'm definitely n...
they already said the demo is the same build as before.
It's just a second chance
sage perch
Well that's news to me.....
gentle osprey
TLDR, improving graphics thru brute force is not optimal
sharp badger
https://www.monsterhunter.com/wilds/en-us/obt/ All them bonuses
lyric hatch
When the trailer has clear fps drops you know it's bad
balmy vector
they already said the demo is the same build as before.
Their livestream a while ago at least showed what they aimed at with the new updates they made, should be far better than the betas build from what we saw
analog sinew
sure hope so
analog sinew
imma be honest i'm high on hopium anyway
MH is one of the few games that really captures me
so i kinda just need this
balmy vector
Yeah, i know im gonna have fun anyway. Just the performance fixes would make the experience far better
analog sinew
if i get a 50 series this could be glorious
but i gotta finish my thesis i procrastinated too hard
balmy vector
Might try going back to dual blades
sharp badger
Think of it as an reward
balmy vector
And switch axe combo
sharp badger
Finish thesis = Get reward
steady sail
new gpu season is so fun
analog sinew
Finish thesis = Get reward
the reward being another piece of paper i dont care about and more work
not really feelin it
balmy vector
Make thesis about monster hunter
Hunting horn player thesis: why am i the most neglected but useful?
sharp badger
the reward being another piece of paper i dont care about and more work
One thing at a time, focus on the current thesis not the things after
More procrastination = Longer time spent
analog sinew
More procrastination = Longer time spent
frfr
yea
the best part was the gamefreak leak
with more horrid stuff but semi official
god that was funny
analog sinew
become buddhist monk
slate solar
Tech stuff
balmy vector
I will eat my 4080
trim crane
I will eat my 4080
what is your favourtie cut of the 4080?
fair gull
I will eat my 4080
ok now i wanna see that on video
bright briar
Hello your computer has virus
trim crane
which cpu was tested
balmy vector
what is your favourtie cut of the 4080?
The ram of course
trim crane
The ram of course
you get 8 of them chips
balmy vector
Gotta save the die for last
trim crane
eyyy les gooo I have one too
trim crane
that has no igpu tho?
it does
trim crane
im not sure which is better though, the 13700K UHD 630 or the 9800X3D iGPU
gentle osprey
https://tenor.com/view/chii-funny-viral-viral-indian-viral-wow-viral-chii-indian...
I always download more ram whenever I need it
analog sinew
then i can build my pc without gpu if i want to lol
trim crane
I mean there will never be a shortage of RAM with my PC (96GB)
steady sail
and im just waiting for new gen gpu's
umbral heron
im not sure which is better though, the 13700K UHD 630 or the 9800X3D iGPU
Better than Iris, worse than Xe iirc 
steady sail
or im just gonna snatch a 6950 xt 
gentle osprey
and im just waiting for new gen gpu's
Waiting for 6090
Kinda can’t skip that card
Legendary number
steady sail
im not gonna be able to buy a Titan class Ngreedia card
i dont have the money for that
its too expensive
and i dont need that
gentle osprey
But the numbers Mason
steady sail
balmy vector
Kinda can’t skip that card
Absolutely nobody will skip the 6090, itll be nice
umbral heron
Am excited for UDNA 
steady sail
im not gonna buy a gpu that cost me 4 months of my paycheck
magic minnow
Absolutely nobody will skip the 6090, itll be *nice*
I’ll have to 
gentle osprey
Well AI is here to stay
umbral heron
Hopefully not 
gentle osprey
Hate to break the news to you
unkempt lake
Better than Iris, worse than Xe iirc <:hanaconfuse:985765666760040498>
as long as it can display a picture in case my gpu no workies that's all i care about
if i wanted a good igpu i'd buy a proper apu xd
umbral heron
I mean, it still gets the job done, older and lighter games work great 
steady sail
fuck the AI gaming
i wanna run games in Native
not with Ray Shitting and everything shit
unkempt lake
not with Ray Shitting and everything shit
good luck as games are starting to require it
umbral heron
Ray-tracing is the most overhyped feature I ever saw to date 
trim crane
Am excited for UDNA <a:SilvervaleBoxs:1231686578636718184>
especially for that Linux compatibility (also excited to see UDNA)
unkempt lake
just... dont use max rt settings...
steady sail
i dont even need minimal RT
unkempt lake
or be selective about your settings
umbral heron
Why have high-end card when can't into max settings?
gentle osprey
fuck the AI gaming
lol I literally posted an article from an interview on why AI is needed
And you can’t brute force graphics
unkempt lake
Why have high-end card when can't into max settings? <:hanaconfuse:9857656667600...
because max settings are not for now they're for the future
steady sail
yeah i cant wait to pay 5000$ for a 8090 GPU that only has AI shit
umbral heron
because max settings are not for now they're for the future
But gaem is now 
trim crane
Isn't UDNA going to benefit people that want an alternative to CUDA along with RDNA?
gentle osprey
Moores law is dead as they say
magic minnow
Ray-tracing is the most overhyped feature I ever saw to date <:hanaSusSips:11412...
My god rays though
gentle osprey
I laugh at myself sometimes
umbral heron
Meh, dynamic cubemaps get the job done 
unkempt lake
But gaem is now <:hanaSit:1040501917165559808>
but the difference between very high and ultra is almost non existent
umbral heron
Yeah, just random post-processing stuff which makes game look way worse 
umbral heron
Medium/high is where it's at 
balmy vector
I’ll have to <:sadsniff:940214542389112855>
gentle osprey
Why do we need realistic anything in our fake video game worlds? Go outside
unkempt lake
the only RT i bother using in certain games is reflexions and rtgi
the only 2 rt effects that have a noticeable impact
shadows are... underwhelming
umbral heron
Noisy
gentle osprey
Video games will get to a point where they look better than real life 
umbral heron
God, how RT noise is awful
magic minnow
<:pepe_cry:643973235188170753>
Yeah cause if I do end up getting the 5090, I’ve bought 2 generations back to back. That’s a big nono
trim crane
Yeah cause if I do end up getting the 5090, I’ve bought 2 generations back to ba...
which card
unkempt lake
Yeah cause if I do end up getting the 5090, I’ve bought 2 generations back to ba...
just like you're about to buy 2 generations back to back of phones xd
umbral heron
I don't want games look real
I want them to look creative, unique, have personality... 
gentle osprey
Yeah cause if I do end up getting the 5090, I’ve bought 2 generations back to ba...
Don’t listen to humans, most don’t know what they’re talking about, life is short, buy whatever you want
unkempt lake
I don't want games look real
I want them to look creative, unique, have personal...
depends on the game
magic minnow
which card
I got the 4090 and I’m gonna try to get the 5090 FE if I don’t get the FE I’m just gonna try and get the Astral
trim crane
Don’t listen to humans, most don’t know what they’re talking about, life is shor...
must sell my kidneys
umbral heron
depends on the game
Eh, most AAA slop nowadays is not worth buying 
steady sail
depends on the game
most games are shit
gentle osprey
I got the 4090 and I’m gonna try to get the 5090 FE if I don’t get the FE I’m ju...
My man
Astral gang
unkempt lake
Eh, most AAA slop nowadays is not worth buying <:neuroShrug:1131355609904726016>
then why do we need high end cards
gentle osprey
Cals is right
unkempt lake
most games are shit
then why do you need an upgrade
gentle osprey
Indie games are goated
fair gull
i dont even need minimal RT
get an intel battlemage gpu
analog sinew
then why do we need high end cards
to fill the void in our hearts
steady sail
then why do you need an upgrade
bc games run shit on low
fair gull
we just gonna buy 5090s and play minecraft
i play cookie clicker with my 4090
nothing else
gentle osprey
we just gonna buy 5090s and play minecraft
Now you’re getting it 
unkempt lake
i play cookie clicker with my 4090
it's just... why
analog sinew
I got the 4090 and I’m gonna try to get the 5090 FE if I don’t get the FE I’m ju...
i can offer you a bag of chips and a drawing of a duck for the 4090, we got a deal?
gentle osprey
Depends if I can’t get the FE <:sadsniff:940214542389112855>
Yeah the FE is sexy
umbral heron
then why do we need high end cards
I bought XTX hoping that I'll have it for several years at least
slate solar
Guys is a threadripper strong enough to run Ms paint 
steady sail
i was the same with the 6700 xt
trim crane
I got the 4090 and I’m gonna try to get the 5090 FE if I don’t get the FE I’m ju...
I have the 3080Ti and I can see the benefir from upgrading to a 5080. I record a lot and want to stream more, do 3D work (speficially the FE card, since it's only a 10W hike from my 3080Ti FE)
unkempt lake
I bought XTX hoping that I'll have it for several years at least <:hanaconfuse:9...
futureproofing is kind of a meme tho...
magic minnow
i can offer you a bag of chips and a drawing of a duck for the 4090, we got a de...
I’m gonna give the 4090 to my younger brother that’s the only reason I’m upgrading
slate solar
fuck
fair gull
futureproofing is kind of a meme tho...
i dont think so
slate solar
I need two of them bad boys
analog sinew
I’m gonna give the 4090 to my younger brother that’s the only reason I’m upgradi...
hey its me ur brother
analog sinew
my 2080ti was perfect until it died
just like me fr
trim crane
my 2080ti was perfect until it died
oh no! what happened to it
fair gull
oh no! what happened to it
vram finally died
gentle osprey
Beautiful card tho
fair gull
i mean if anyone wants one you can have it just pay me shipping
analog sinew
i remember when the 2080ti was crazy for being like 1.2k or what it was
unkempt lake
i remember when the 2080ti was crazy for being like 1.2k or what it was
yep
trim crane
vram finally died
can you technically just do a BGA replacement?
gentle osprey
i remember when the 2080ti was crazy for being like 1.2k or what it was
Now look at us
How far we’ve come
analog sinew
yea
umbral heron
futureproofing is kind of a meme tho...
Not really, my 1070Ti would be enough for the games I play, if not for awful Linux drivers for pre-20 series, and that it wants to die any moment now, I'd most likely still using it
analog sinew
How far we’ve come
they got us good
fair gull
can you technically just do a BGA replacement?
thats how these get fixed.
unkempt lake
i remember when the 2080ti was crazy for being like 1.2k or what it was
2080 was 1k, 2080 ti was 1.5k cad
considering i got my xtx brand new for 1.2k cad
magic minnow
hey its me ur brother
Honestly if I wasn’t giving it to him I’d sell it to you for cheap
trim crane
2080 was 1k, 2080 ti was 1.5k cad
yeah after tax the 5080 will probably be 1.6k CAD
unkempt lake
zotac amp 2080ti
hey i had the same but 2080
trim crane
1.4k pre tax
gentle osprey
Miss my EVGA 970
fair gull
it couldnt do 100fps on a 5120x1440 but otherwise ok
fair gull
<@130036426912825344> can i steal your cooler
again you get the full card if you pay shipping
unkempt lake
and i have a rattly fan on nico's 2080 that i lowered the speed on because i can't be assed buy a fan to replace it his temps are good with 2 fast fans and 1 slower one tho
fair gull
with the box and all
analog sinew
Honestly if I wasn’t giving it to him I’d sell it to you for cheap <:sadsniff:94...
naah i'm just memeing
analog sinew
👀 bag o chips?
fair gull
if someone also wants an i7-9700k and z390-f you can also pay for those
unkempt lake
if someone also wants an i7-9700k and z390-f you can also pay for those
i used to run that lol
gentle osprey
👀 bag o chips?
If that bag of chips weighs 5 pounds and has 3 fans on it then yes
unkempt lake
tony we literally basically had the same setup
steady sail
just gonna get a 3050 for funny
analog sinew
If that bag of chips weighs 5 pounds and has 3 fans on it then yes
i mean i can put 5 pounds of rocks in it and glue 3 case fans to it
fair gull
i just bought the best setup back then
gentle osprey
i mean i can put 5 pounds of rocks in it and glue 3 case fans to it
Perfect
unkempt lake
we even have the same display lmao
fair gull
i mean the g9 is kinda new
i was running 2 24" 1080p before
once from benq and one acer
unkempt lake
and i was running 3x24 inch 1080p
fair gull
actually 1 22" and 1 24"
unkempt lake
before the g9
analog sinew
i was running in the 90s
unkempt lake
and then you got the 7800x3d
gentle osprey
and i was running 3x24 inch 1080p
So you basically had a G9 already, why even upgrade
umbral heron
unkempt lake
and i got a 7900x3d
analog sinew
but only towards the tall end since i learned to walk then
analog sinew
<a:SilvervaleBoxs:1231686578636718184>
THE CALSTATION
unkempt lake
So you basically had a G9 already, why even upgrade
hdr and 1440p vertical res, less desk space
steady sail
gentle osprey
hdr and 1440p vertical res, less desk space
Was joking but yes g9 is good
analog sinew
<:KEKL:853389406051631104>
me too brotha
gentle osprey
I’m on G8
unkempt lake
i have the neo g9
unkempt lake
tony has a regular g9 believe
gentle osprey
Ah, I’m on the QDOLED 34” UW one
unkempt lake
mine's mini led
gentle osprey
Yeah
trim crane
Mine is ULMB 2 IPS
unkempt lake
but considering i wfh and shit, maybe it's good that im running mini led
with all the static shit on my screen
when i work
gentle osprey
Look at all of us Samsung panel users
unkempt lake
and this monitor being on for... hours and hours daily
i work all day then i play games on it
trim crane
of all of us i must be like the backlight strobing evangelist or something 😂
fair gull
be quiet! Dark Base 700
Intel Core i7-9700K
ASUS ROG Strix Z390-F Gaming
ZOTAC AMP GeForce RTX 2080 Ti
16GB DDR4-2666, Corsair Vengeance LPX black, Rev S
850W be quiet! Straight Power 11
Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H80i V2 + 2 Corsair ML120
my neo g9 was like... 1350cad instead of 2000 something
gentle osprey
Yeah still really good
fair gull
would love to be able to sell the setup but im honestly not sure where
unkempt lake
got it around the same time i got the xtx
gentle osprey
would love to be able to sell the setup but im honestly not sure where
eBay if you’re okay with their fees
gentle osprey
I sold a lot of my stuff to friends and on eBay
unkempt lake
had this card and monitor since summer 2023 and i've been super happy with them both
lyric hatch
LG panel users rise up 
gentle osprey
which was 1200cad instead of 1599cad
Yeah I think mine was $1199 or 1299 and I got it for like $799
fair gull
I sold a lot of my stuff to friends and on eBay
my only friends are UTF-8 chars on a screen
unkempt lake
i kept running my 9700k with the xtx till june of this year when i finally decided to switch to a 7800X3D and give the 9700k to nico
oddly enough i feel like it was a bigger upgrade for him
to go from a 9400F to a 9700k than for me going from a 9700k to a 7800x3d
umbral heron
Hmmm... 9950X3D wen? 
trim crane
Hmmm... 9950X3D wen? <:hanaIsee:1123712111533629572>
maybe 2 months
unkempt lake
improved things in nearly every game for him meanwhile in my case it was just select games
or select conditions
lyric hatch
i kept running my 9700k with the xtx till june of this year when i finally decid...
Basically what I'm going to be doing with my partner but she'll get my whole PC 
unkempt lake
Basically what I'm going to be doing with my partner but she'll get my whole PC ...
you can do what i did with nico. you give the old pc progressively
analog sinew
man i gotta get myself a tech sugar mommy too
magic minnow
Hmmm... 9950X3D wen? <:hanaIsee:1123712111533629572>
March no?
trim crane
omg klee writing notes 
@umbral heron
gentle osprey
Nvm was 699
unkempt lake
start with the gpu and psu then later on mobo cpu ram
literally slowly his pc became my old pc lol
and then i sold his old parts to my brother for cheap
magic minnow
All I saw is Q1 25 <:hanaconfuse:985765666760040498>
Idk where I got march from then
I hope I don’t regret getting the 9800x:d
gentle osprey
What did you have before
trim crane
I hope I don’t regret getting the 9800x:d
I know I won't!
magic minnow
What did you have before
7950x3d
gentle osprey
Oh you’re like me then
lyric hatch
I'm still rocking my https://youtu.be/b3ImK3WMBm4
magic minnow
Oh you’re like me then
You got the 9800 as well?
fair gull
linux tech tips spotted
gentle osprey
You got the 9800 as well?
Not yet but planning on it , rocking. 7800X3D, gonna snag 5090 first
fair gull
im waiting for 5090 benches first
sudden imp
linux tech tips spotted
Oh what was the whole thing Gamers nexus posted late last night about an email from Linus?
gentle osprey
im waiting for 5090 benches first
Yep
fair gull
Oh what was the whole thing Gamers nexus posted late last night about an email f...
¯_(ツ)_/¯
umbral heron
Yay 2% more in CP2077, can't wait 
gentle osprey
OMG
lyric hatch
I did see all that, a bit of tech beef
fair gull
I did see all that, a bit of tech beef
na smth smth journalism and biases
and beef in tech community when they should be working together or smth
unkempt lake
Gn and linus are both silly and childish when it comes to this shit
I just want them both to shut up
gentle osprey
They should be on the same side/team tho
unkempt lake
There's no team it's just
distant tapir
GN does feel like a bit of a drama queen even though I like their channel
gentle osprey
I definitely don’t
lyric hatch
Seems like there's been tension since that time period but that Honey thing just opened it up again
gentle osprey
Yeah pretty much ^
unkempt lake
GN was silly with the honey shit
fair gull
i mean im still disappointed LTT didnt publish this info about honey
unkempt lake
i mean im still disappointed LTT didnt publish this info about honey
I don't see why it matters
fair gull
because they knew and then kept quiet
unkempt lake
The info was already out there
Anyhow it only affrcts content creators which frankly
I don't give a fuck about
umbral heron
Not only
unkempt lake
Not only <:hanaSit:1040501917165559808>
People too laxy to search for a discount manually
umbral heron
Customers got worse deals so Honey can pocket a part of discount
fair gull
The info was already out there
so if any info gets posted once but no one sees it then influencers and content creators can just ignore it and never bring it to the masses cause "its out there"
imo a bs stance
lyric hatch
I'm not sure LTT knew about the other stuff tbf
unkempt lake
I just don't care about content creators losing money
And the consumers who used honey welp if they were too lazy to look for a coupon code themselves it's on them
umbral heron
There are people who watch only LTT and not other tech news/channels
Making video about it would be in a good taste for them
lyric hatch
Hindsight would make you think hey, how does this business model work 
ashen spindle
I just don't care about content creators losing money
honey didnt just screw over content creators, with its standing it also forced shops to work with them almost mafia style, which isnt relevant for amazon but hurts smaller shops too
fair gull
Hindsight would make you think hey, how does this business model work <:SwitchyT...
yes but it just is worse than what one can imagine
unkempt lake
honey didnt just screw over content creators, with its standing it also forced s...
I don't give a fuck tbh
ashen spindle
so if you dont care about anything why do you care that others wanted ltt to be vocal about it
unkempt lake
Silly corporations losing money
umbral heron
Hindsight would make you think hey, how does this business model work <:SwitchyT...
Markiplier was right 
gentle osprey
Yeah I think it hurts more than just content creators tbh and some of these people are still just people, not robots
fair gull
especially cause it hurts people who also just dont work with honey at all
gentle osprey
Yeah
fair gull
its not like only sponsored creators are affected
ashen spindle
the "silly corporations" are also shops managed by one person just selling their own shit sometimes, not faceless mega corps like walmart
umbral heron
Hurts lots of smaller creators who rely on affiliate sales
unkempt lake
the "silly corporations" are also shops managed by one person just selling their...
Shops decide what coupon codes they put out there and can revoke them at any time, if they're too stupid to manage their own shit then it's on them
If i run my own shopify store and can't manage the active coupons on my dite i'm the idiot
ashen spindle
Shops decide what coupon codes they put out there and can revoke them at any tim...
thats just not how this worked at all, did you watch the initial expose of the thing?
fair gull
If i run my own shopify store and can't manage the active coupons on my dite i'm...
not what happened with honey but ok
thanks for not understanding the issue
unkempt lake
Affiliate marketting being pocketed
fair gull
ah thanks for having the most surface level understanding
ashen spindle
okay so you didnt watch the megalag video, got it
unkempt lake
Honey being like hey we can make a honey coupon code where you can control the % applied
unkempt lake
Instead of us putting whatever coupon's found online into honey
That's also part of it
Along with hijacking cookies
fair gull
you literally just demonstatred you dont have an idea what else was involved
unkempt lake
i literally watched megalag's vid
fair gull
apparently muted
ashen spindle
it literally includes a part where he basically points out that honey admits to not showing you the best deals, so it screwed over the consumer who thought he didnt need to search for something better, when better deals existed for example
it was straight up NOT doing what it told you it did
unkempt lake
it literally includes a part where he basically points out that honey admits to ...
That's what i said about honey custom codes
fair gull
not honey custom codes
its the business telling honey what codes to show
the codes work outside of honey
aka you didnt understand the topic
fair gull
yes but with honey you can have active coupons and just not tell customers about it
unkempt lake
The whole thing with honey "bullying" merchants into collaborating with them is stupid
The merchants weren't bullied
The whole haha you can limit your customer's discount or else thing
Well what's the or else
What's the mafia like consequence
There isn't any if you know how to manage your shit
And when it comes to content creators welp. Frankly I couldn't give less of a shit if they lost money
My main issue in all of this is the app not working half the time and still popping up
ashen spindle
did you finish watching his video to the end
unkempt lake
I did
ashen spindle
??? you can literally infere from those 3 lines whats happening
fair gull
oh and "it cost us thousands"
thats from the store owners
but again who cares its all mega corps
ashen spindle
mega corp = 2 people
unkempt lake
There's this funny thing called... tie the coupon to the email used
fair gull
yes
unkempt lake
It's basics
Make the code unsharable
Plenty of websites do this
Wooting being an example actuallyn
fair gull
There's this funny thing called... tie the coupon to the email used
haha youre funny cause shopify cant do that for more than a certain number of emails per code
(and guess how i know)
unkempt lake
I can't give my wooting module code that's in my account to someone else
ashen spindle
yea, just make sure nobody who creates anything should be able to make a shop without having a fulltime person that knows how to set up a store because as a one man team you're supposed to be aware of how to avoid this sort of bs
fair gull
I can't give my wooting module code that's in my account to someone else
yes but we also build around shopify's dumb limits
unkempt lake
yea, just make sure nobody who creates anything should be able to make a shop wi...
If you don't know how to run an online shop, you shouldn't run one
(:
fair gull
normal shopify people who dont just have a few backend devs who can solve this outside of shopify will fail
they will run into tons of issues with limiting codes
and no you cant give everyone a custom code either cause those also have dumb limits
ashen spindle
yeah so everyone who does a small thing and wants to focus on making something (like wooting in the start) should just focus on the shop instead of the product, that makes sense
unkempt lake
Just..: don't have coupons?
ashen spindle
wooting really should've told jeroen in the start, drop the wooting development and make the store first!
fair gull
wooting really should've told jeroen in the start, drop the wooting development ...
tbf given how much i hated making our current coupon/discount system... im glad jeroen didnt drop out week1 of wooting
ashen spindle
have a kickstarter and want a simple way to give a discount to the first 10 backers? yeah better not think of using a coupon, better write your own shop first
fair gull
anyway as a consumer and someone who works with shopify as a platform... the honey situation sucks
massively
ashen spindle
like yes you should have common sense, you shouldnt need to have a degree in e-commerce when your main deal is making some craft to sell
unkempt lake
anyway as a consumer and someone who works with shopify as a platform... the hon...
I'm not saying it doesn't
People who want to sue honey are free to sue
gentle osprey
wooting really should've told jeroen in the start, drop the wooting development ...
Y'all are killin me 
unkempt lake
It's their right
ashen spindle
there is a limit of how much should be expected from one person to protect themselves or others from systems being abused
umbral heron
So basically if you don't pay Honey commission they'll publish coupons which you don't want to have published, and you can't control because of shopping platform limitations? And if you do pay them, you have full control over coupons on the platform?
ashen spindle
you dont have to babysit your users but you cant expect them to consider every abuse possible before making anything
unkempt lake
you dont have to babysit your users but you cant expect them to consider every a...
If you don't it's on you
fair gull
So basically if you don't pay Honey commission they'll publish coupons which you...
basically yes. especially for smaller shops an issue
ashen spindle
So basically if you don't pay Honey commission they'll publish coupons which you...
sort of, we dont have the full second video to know all the details
unkempt lake
People will always take advantage of someone else
Or of systems
Or try to abuse things
It's human nature
umbral heron
Yeah, I'm waiting for second video too, it's kinda murky for me for now
ashen spindle
If you don't it's on you
so if you get your bank info stolen because you use discord and someone finds a exploit to send a trojan to every use in a server, you cant blame discord because its on you by that logic?
gentle osprey
You're naive
umbral heron
But Honey does illegal stuff - fake advertisement
They promise and advertise you "the best deals possible", when they don't do that for their own gain
ashen spindle
if I set up a shop, I'm not being naive if I think I covered everything and dont read sourcecode of how a code could be exploited when all im doing is selling woodworking figurines
fair gull
youre naive
unkempt lake
so if you get your bank info stolen because you use discord and someone finds a ...
If discord leaves a backdoor open they absolutely should be blamed
But also it's kind of their own fault
Their own incompetence
gentle osprey
It's not that black and white
ashen spindle
If discord leaves a backdoor open they absolutely should be blamed
why should they, I thought you should know that on the internet bad stuff could happen
unkempt lake
why should they, I thought you should know that on the internet bad stuff could ...
Their app not mine
ashen spindle
yeah but you use it
fair gull
honeys app not mine
raven grove
If discord leaves a backdoor open they absolutely should be blamed
agreed
unkempt lake
If I make a website to sell crap it's my website I should take the precautions needed to prevent abuse
The users are just users
umbral heron
If Discord uses library or service which has a backdoor of which they don't know about, how it's their incompetence?
ashen spindle
so any sort of scam should be legal, because technically you an prevent them as a user?
umbral heron
Zero-days exist and are one of the most valuable things right now
gentle osprey
so any sort of scam should be legal, because technically you an prevent them as ...
exactly
ashen spindle
I'm just trying to find the consistency in the logic here
fair gull
so any sort of scam should be legal, because technically you an prevent them as ...
nono the shop owner is the one that needs to prevent any abuse
they are the devil
ashen spindle
so if my coupons get abused I'm an asshole too for having a store?
unkempt lake
so if my coupons get abused I'm an asshole too for having a store?
It's kinda your fault that you didn't manage them properly
gentle osprey
so if my coupons get abused I'm an asshole too for having a store?
yeah F quins store
fair gull
not your app but your problem
gentle osprey
hate that place
crimson wigeon
Shopify doesn't support single-use or limited use coupons?
unkempt lake
you run the store. with shopify's app
Then blame shopify
ashen spindle
yeah F quins store
my poor store
fair gull
Shopify doesn't support single-use or limited use coupons?
they do in the dumbest ways possible
aka nearly useless
ashen spindle
so if everyone is an asshole, that means honey is too, so where is the issue with saying LTT and co should call them out, since that removes one asshole then?
crimson wigeon
Sadly I don't think there are that many alternatives that are as easy to use
umbral heron
yeah F quins store
crimson wigeon
Network effect is real even on backend garbage
gentle osprey
Sadly I don't think there are that many alternatives that are as easy to use
nah make your own store code, very easy to do
fair gull
Sadly I don't think there are that many alternatives that are as easy to use
na man just learn some html, css, js and maybe another language and you can go and host your own store with none of the functions of shopify except selling stuff
gentle osprey
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Archive this somewhere safe for the future
fair gull
the sad thing is shopify works really well for selling BUT order management, customer management, coupons/discounts and some other more minor systems are so so bad
like you cant even set a max item count for discount codes in shopify itself
unkempt lake
the sad thing is shopify works really well for selling BUT order management, cus...
Then maybe we just need some more competition in that industry
fair gull
challenging when a big player can buy the small ones
unkempt lake
What i'm trying to say is look
ashen spindle
shopify isnt the issue here, what about medium size stores that do their own shop and are also getting hit from it
green lark
is there anyone that could help me figure out why my order keeps getting canceled
fair gull
sir this is a wendys
ashen spindle
yeah but who cares if the shop software is bad or not, honey is clearly abusing something, so it should be fair to expect people that know about it to not keep that secret
fair gull
oh thanks i forgot how this started. yes LTT should have either way made some public statement be it a post or video or whatever
even a wan show segment would have sufficed
crimson wigeon
So I would blame both then, Shopify for lacking features that seem basic to me, and Honey for abusing the lack of said features
green lark
can someone please help me
ashen spindle
if I advertise stuff and then I find out they got the wares by killing babies to farm it, I shouldnt just drop the sponsor and be quiet about it
ashen spindle
can someone please help me
green lark
yeah my issue isnt in there
unkempt lake
if I advertise stuff and then I find out they got the wares by killing babies to...
But the info was already out there lol
fair gull
can someone please help me
this channel isnt for order support. this entire server isnt for order support. the help wizard is. https://support.wooting.io
unkempt lake
Was discussed on the ltt forums even
green lark
thank you
unkempt lake
Which are public
ashen spindle
clearly not if people didnt know about it until on ltt forums it had to be asked about
ltt knew it before and stopped and didnt disclose that anywhere
if the forum poster hadnt asked ltt would not even have said that part
umbral heron
There's a group of people who follow only LTT channel, and not forums or other tech news
A big group
fair gull
and as we saw it was so public that megalag didnt have to make a video on it
ashen spindle
and if we assume ltt did not do due diligence and only knew about the referal part, after they got aware of the megalag video, they could have come out and be like, hey this is bad, we dropped them because we thought its just referal replacement and didnt want to be public about it (linus excuse about people thinking its just about their money) but now it hurts smaller creators and stores and consumers
fair gull
at that point id ask why do people make videos about anything on steam, the linux kernel mailing list, tiktok and what not. its all public. so why make a video/statement or such if it already was said publicly.
unkempt lake
I don't think it's linus's job to investigate honey
ashen spindle
they are WELL aware from stats how many people have seen the sponsor spots and would never know about the forum posts
unkempt lake
He didn't approve of their business practices and bailed. I think that's enough
ashen spindle
we're not saying he has to
fair gull
I don't think it's linus's job to investigate honey
no one said investigate. the issue raised is they never mentioned it to their wider audience
umbral heron
Just acknowledge the issue, something along the lines of "well, Honey fucked up, don't use their extension anymore", that's it
ashen spindle
but his literal job is being an influencer and he showed some supposedly good thing and never used the reach to say, hey that thing is actualyl bad
fair gull
the only time they even mentioned that they dropped honey was in the forum. it was never mentioned outside of those psots
nor why
ashen spindle
its called responsibility as an influencer because you literally influence people
unkempt lake
If I got fucked over by a company am I supposed to put it out there and draw attention to myself and put out a negative review and make sure everyone knows about this
umbral heron
You're not an influencer
ashen spindle
^
fair gull
also didnt linus do responsible stuff before where they said why they dropped sponsors and such
umbral heron
You don't have a YT channel with millions of subscribers
ashen spindle
you didnt before that tell millions of people how good the store is
unkempt lake
No but what if I recommended before said company to people around me and I got screwed over by it
crimson wigeon
If you tell everyone to use foo and then later stop doing it because you found out foo does shady shit, yeah it would be nice if you told people that
fair gull
No but what if I recommended before said company to people around me and I got s...
youd prob tell those people
lol
at least i would
unkempt lake
Do i have to disclose to everyone that i had a bad experience and contact everyone preemptively?
umbral heron
People are mad at him because he had Honey sponsorship before
Should he not do that, there wouldn't be an issue
fair gull
Do i have to disclose to everyone that i had a bad experience and contact everyo...
no youd tell the people you told
at least i hope you would
ashen spindle
if I recommend a burger place to a friend and then I get food poisoning there 3 times in a row, I tell that friend, yo, watch out, maybe my recommendation was bad
umbral heron
Do i have to disclose to everyone that i had a bad experience and contact everyo...
I think it'd be in a good taste to tell people whom you've recommended a thing that it's actually scamming people
unkempt lake
at least i hope you would
But nothing's forcing me to
ashen spindle
yeah no law forces you or linus to do that
fair gull
linus should have told his viewers
umbral heron
Nobody is forcing Linus to do this
But they have a right to be pissed at him