🔌│tech

[astral haven]

vram usage doesnt mean anything

[lyric hatch]

Yeah gpu will allocate vram without actually using it

[astral haven]

vram usage should always be 100%, anything else is a failure on the games part

[sharp badger]

Ok

[crimson wigeon]

Ok now launch anything else that uses the GPU and oops you filled it completely and framerate is ass

[astral haven]

thats not how memory works

[sharp badger]

Just comparing the usage to AW2

[crimson wigeon]

And yes when I was still stuck with a 4GiB VRAM GPU it was hell running anything modern, it was always full

[astral haven]

perhaps, but have you ever wondered if it was perhaps that the gpu was actually slow?

[crimson wigeon]

How about this, I look at certain object in game, GPU suddenly cools down while claiming usage is 100%, framerate goes to shit, look away: instantly smooth. Restart game: now perfectly smooth at least for some time until VRAM is overflowed again

[astral haven]

people dont understand what vram capacity issues look like
and what they dont look like except in super rare edge cases is low fps

[lyric hatch]

3070 still has a comfortable lead with less vram, definitely doesn't look like vram is the limiting factor here

[astral haven]

if you have insufficient vram, you should be seeing high disk usage, low detail textures, and popin

looooots of popin

[crimson wigeon]

Oh yeah that too

[astral haven]

yup this aint vram

the only way to know if its vram is if you take 2 identical gpus and swap the chips for lower capacity ones
problem is noone does this
nvidia cuts off cores and memory bandwidth, amd cuts off cores

[crimson wigeon]

And also when I patched the driver to try to stuff more into VRAM instead of allowing it to spill the extreme framerate droppage was reduced 🤔

[sharp badger]

Will have to see how the 3080 compares once the embargos lift

Just don't feel the need to upgrade yet but might change during the year

[crimson wigeon]

Hm, the amdgpu driver does have a simple argument to pretend the GPU has less VRAM, perhaps someone who feels like testing could experiment with that to see how it relates to framerate in games

[astral haven]

AMD also had a feature that allowed you to pretend like you had more VRAM and that also increased performance. Even though your VRAM amount didn't change, then it was just using system memory.

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah, I suppose also part of this is the games themselves, how well they handle memory management

[astral haven]

Should nvidia know about this and compensate? Sure. And should they also implement a similar fake VRAM feature? Probably. (Although amd killed theirs)
But they generally match things to the console of the time, and that's exactly all that it needs to be, unfortunately for us.
Last game I know of with actually high VRAM requirements relative to visual complexity was Shadow of Mordor.

[wheat yacht]

I wonder if they’re ever gonna go all out for a gaming gpu

Like a new titan card

[ashen spindle]

people dont understand what that means, if the 5090 is basically fully enabled chip there is nothing they can put out as a titan card above it

[astral haven]

Nv72 gaming edition when lol

[ashen spindle]

the 90/90ti are basically titans now they just sold it as a gaming gpu now so people eat it up lol

[wheat yacht]

I thought they stopped doing the 90ti cards

[astral haven]

7 million per card for a consumer GPU let's gooo

[wheat yacht]

I heard there was a discarded 4090ti was there ever a reason for that or nah

[ashen spindle]

90/90ti/titan is just a naming, if the chip on it is XX102 and fully enabled there isnt anything bigger they could make

[wheat yacht]

Oh Igu

[astral haven]

Wafer scale consumer card let's gooo

[ashen spindle]

have amd hire all intel gpu people and we probably would've gotten rdna4 halo

not quite wafer but mi300 at home

[astral haven]

Yas

Anything bigger than reticle I'll take

[lyric hatch]

"Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang claimed in an interview with CNBC that Nvidia had spent around $10 billion in research and development for Blackwell's NV-HBI die interconnect. Veteran semiconductor engineer Jim Keller, who had worked on AMD's K7, K12 and Zen architectures, criticized this figure and claimed that the same outcome could be achieved for $1 billion through using Ultra Ethernet rather than the proprietary NVLink system."
Thought this was an interesting addition to the Blackwell Wikipedia page

[ashen spindle]

sounds about right

spending more to keep it in house and lock your ecosystem down is a profitable way if you are a monopoly

[wheat yacht]

Will Nvidia ever be taken to court for their practices

[ashen spindle]

being a monopoly is not inherently illegal

[lyric hatch]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/technology/china-nvidia-investigation-antitrust-ai.html

They are in China at least

[ashen spindle]

china
antitrust

[lyric hatch]

Yeah it is pretty funny

There is other stuff Nvidia is getting class actioned for

https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-nvidia-securities-fraud-bd509b33f4b4b5c72101545f6996a0a2

[ashen spindle]

theres stuff happening but its mostly just finance related like these that dont really matter regardless of the outcome

[lyric hatch]

Yeah when you're a company the size of Nvidia it's just par for the course

[wheat yacht]

Oh I thought it was?

Just very hard to prosecute

[ashen spindle]

what, you want to sell a thing and then get sued because nobody else sells it?

[halcyon coral]

the estimated arrival date was between 2-10 days and when I placed the order the delivery date was mid-March, why? @fallow bison @lyric hatch

[astral haven]

What's illegal is buying out all your competition
Or doing other illegal things to drive your competition out if business

[marsh pewter]

the estimate where?

[signal garnet]

does anyone who uses nvidia gpus have dis issue where when u update the game ready drivers it says there's a studio driver but when i update that it says there's a game ready driver again and it kinda loops

[marsh pewter]

they’re two different drivers, you’re overriding the game ready drivers with the studio drivers and vice versa

you’re just switching between the two

[wide wyvern]

I was gonna say are you using the nvidia app or the geforce software

I had it with the new update back at the end of the year, but i uninstalled studio and geforce experience. Reinstalled and i only selected the nvidia app instead of studio. I wouldnt even use studio if you dont know what its for

You're not the only one having that issue, i found a thread on reddit with the exact issue and theyre still looking for answers. Mine worked after 1 attempt so maybe i got lucky but really, uninstall and restart.

[halcyon coral]

before purchasing the keyboard

[manic trench]

Yo my keyboard is bugging, whenever I press any button it starts pressing everything at once. It’s not my laptop as the keyboard that is attached to the laptop works fine. I watched the vid provided and nothing works and restarted it in the app. Can anybody help?

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258

[manic trench]

Thanks

[gentle osprey]

Like Apple

[astral haven]

eh i dont think theyve been convicted yet like intel or ibm or microsoft

pretty likely tho

[gentle osprey]

Yeah

And no they haven’t I don’t believe, esp since it was only last year they got sued

Look at that “intelligent cooling”

https://youtu.be/9lBcMVZAxOw?si=5XTh58TzAXULlqvZ

"But I digress"

[ashen spindle]

what tool is jay misusing this time

[gentle osprey]

Intel PresentMon

It was showed to him by Gamers Nexus aka Steve lol

[ashen spindle]

... how the fuck did he not know about that before, wasnt he doing reviews at some point???

[gentle osprey]

Lol yeah he said that himself, he doesn't know how he didn't know about it before

[ashen spindle]

..present mon is what basically all overlays use as the basis to get the data from

rtss, frameview etc. all are skins for presentmon xD

[gentle osprey]

Yeah tldr is he's basically saying things like HWinfo64 have a slower polling rate for getting data , whereas this is faster , etc etc

[ashen spindle]

oh god was hwinfo the only thing he used for reviews lmao

[gentle osprey]

I wouldn't think so but kinda sounds like it lol

[fair gull]

is rtss a presentmon skin?

[gentle osprey]

Don't think so but I think it can integrate

[ashen spindle]

skin might be a bit hyperbole but it uses presentmon yes

[astral haven]

rtss is an aggregator, it supports presentmon among others

[ashen spindle]

ah

[magic minnow]

Tiny cooler

[ashen spindle]

then again I think even with the overhead hwinfo for enthusiats is more than enough, you can still use gpu busy and such from it, not like you are doing frame analysis lol

[astral haven]

i wouldnt be surprised if hwinfo used presentmon tbh

[gentle osprey]

Yeah that's how he's basically explaining people can use prensentmon is to see if they have a bottleneck etc

[astral haven]

its MIT not gpl, pretty cool

[ashen spindle]

I assume it might use presentmon for gpubusy and such to not redo that but still the much better tool than just presentmons default skin

[astral haven]

heck its pretty crazy that intel is running this

[ashen spindle]

im just flabbergasted how hes only now thinking about how he could use logging software for looking at new hardware

guess it just confirms my opinion of just telling people look at his watercooling videos and ignore the rest lmfao

[astral haven]

sure but its worth noting that consolidation in benchmarking is real bad

[ashen spindle]

I would argue looking at benchmarks from someone who very clearly lacks technical understanding might be worse

[astral haven]

gn has chased their own tail into a knot, their benchmarking is nearing uselessness for games now

[ashen spindle]

I just dont think I could trust jayz data when he seemingly still doesnt understand what supported ram frequencies are and when stability is supposed to be guaranteed lol

[balmy vector]

GN is always better

[astral haven]

nah

[ashen spindle]

gn has their own set of issues

but I at least trust steve to not read 1DPC stable numbers from a table when running quadrank lol

[balmy vector]

i love jay but i like watching him for the silly

[astral haven]

id guess that jayz's reviews are both more accurate (for in game results) and closer to what an end user gets

gn choosing not to benchmark popular games is really dumb

[gentle osprey]

HUB is best

[ashen spindle]

idk I wouldnt trust jay to notice when a setting doesnt get applied like it was in cyperpunk when that and doing correct setups to have comparable accurate data

the average enduser doesnt switch between 3 sets of gpus

[astral haven]

sure but i wouldnt trust gn to test realistic settings in cyberpunk (aka settings that the game would select on its own)

[ashen spindle]

thats fine, I can find out when someone else has the game if RT just adds flat 20% on everything and still have consistent data I just look at as a relative

I can still make use of that data

[astral haven]

we can, but its still misleading

[ashen spindle]

sure but thats different from being unable to trust the data to be correct

[astral haven]

i trust the precision of gn

theres no shot that anyone is more precise than them

but precision and accuracy are very different

and you need both to be correct imo

[ashen spindle]

and I dont trust jay enough to correctly read the reviewers guide lol

[astral haven]

🤷

gn will never publish a scaling factor, and they probably even think its justified since game built in benchmarks are even less accurate than them

[gentle osprey]

If these reviewers really wanted to give us average user results then make a test bench with all the bloatware and rgb software installed possible and a corrupted windows install

then run a test

[balmy vector]

my hatsune miku desktop buddy is a necessity

[lyric hatch]

I saw a funny comment that called him the diablo 4 of tech reviewers

[ashen spindle]

looool

[astral haven]

crazy thing is gn is the same as userbenchmark practically, yet noone cares, they are a saint

[ashen spindle]

ehhh

they dont change tests to make one brand look better

[astral haven]

neither does userbenchmark

[ashen spindle]

yes they did

[astral haven]

nope

[ashen spindle]

or how the ranking is calculated idk what it was exactly

[astral haven]

the tests have stayed the same, and the accurate results have always been up on their website

its just rankings yep

[ashen spindle]

which is arguably worse as thats the only thing most users see on an SEO website

[astral haven]

maybe, but all that people see on fps charts is the number

and they will buy the cheapest card that meets the number they want

if the number is off by 20%, they will be buying a 20% better or worse card than they need

its looking like for this gen thats gonna be a fkn grand at the top

like they are doing good science, but what they arent doing is providing a useful review

only redeeming thing is i actually think that people might not look at the numbers and just the relative positioning of the cards

[ashen spindle]

yes which is why nvidia always sells due to halo tier and why I think the UB ranking is worse for the average consumer because they look at the top result and then take what works in their price range

[astral haven]

i mean gn just so happens to run into the same problem tho no?

[ashen spindle]

they dont present the rankings different than what their data shows though unlike UB

[astral haven]

kinda

gn changes the data to match the desired result, ub changes the interpretation of the data to match the desired result

gns results are more trustworthy because the desired result is precise data at the cost of accurate data

where ubms desired result is amd at the bottom of the chart

but the actual data itself is less doctored even if the result is bad

[halcyon coral]

i need to talk with any mod

[bright briar]

anyone know what brand this case is?

[sudden imp]

O11 vision compact by Lian li

[bright briar]

ty both

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-salute-thanks-way-to-go-good-job-gif-22433945

[wheat yacht]

Ay does windows know no one wants their dogshit bloatware

They have to have a version that is just barebones without those ISO files that make your system less safe

[reef patrol]

They do.

It's the European version, also known as "N"

[wheat yacht]

Wait fr?

Oh wow wtf

Why don’t more people use this then?

[analog sinew]

it mostly cuts media playback stuff and breaks a lot of programs that expect you to have those

[trim crane]

Some things flat out dont work on Windows N versions

Things that require like TPM stuff

MSFS can't run without it

[reef patrol]

Never had that issue personally.

TPM's doing just fine.

[wheat yacht]

Ugh

Wish I could just rid of all the dumb stuff

Like copilot edge one drive

[crimson wigeon]

Just right click uninstall those

[reef patrol]

You need edge. The others can go.

[crimson wigeon]

Even edge can go

[reef patrol]

Don't come crying when the OS can't do certain things, because it's tied into Edge 😄

[crimson wigeon]

I mean it's officially supported thanks to EU... Hmmm, I wonder what happens if I do a web search with the search bar with edge gone

[cursive summit]

If any of this is true I'm going to orgasm hard https://www.chiphell.com/thread-2666416-1-1.html

Zen 6, full product stack UDNA, Halo X3D, wew

AMD moving onto N3E huh

I really want to get one of those Strix Halo PCs when they release, after reviews though, the performance must be insane

[halcyon moss]

updating the editor and all the plugins when starting a jetbrains ide 😄

[magic minnow]

If I can’t get a 5090FE I’ll try and get the Astral

[magic minnow]

Wow! Free money

<@&1098943457654997093>

[crimson wigeon]

Damn moderators wanting us to stay poor

[bold coyote]

[topaz fog]

i think what Monkey is looking for is more akin to the LTSC version than the N versions, the N version only removes media player, which really is not that significant.
LTSC is truly barebones and removes the windows store, cortana, etc. but does require an enterprise license iirc.
It's made for embedded and other mission critical type systems
I use it, when I have to use Windows, anyway

[nimble arch]

There's lot of FUD that gets posted regarding the whole de-bloating of Windows which usually results in people running random scripts that'll end up breaking something.

I do wish Microsoft wouldn't make it so hard to use Windows 11 with an offline account as it doesn't really hurt anybody. Any OS component/driver control panel that downloads from the store will do so automatically anyway.

[rough patrol]

Biggest debloat is killing the explorer process in windows

[digital cliff]

are you a mac or linux enjoyer normally?

[topaz fog]

linux

i grew up around macs for a bit though, my dad was a graphic designer working on magazines and had an imac G3 which was very cool, and later one of those intel imacs from 2005ish
all of my own computers were PCs though

[topaz fog]

I agree. Windows 10 LTSC is an actual, real, official microsoft release though which does not require you to run any funny scripts to get working. Only problem is acquiring a license. If you're into that
I don't know anything about windows 11 though lol

[pale sigil]

Just use Windows Ghost Spectre

[nimble arch]

Windows 11 24H2 is the first LTSC release anyway

Not even sure if it's out yet

[umbral heron]

neeeeeerd

[nimble arch]

Yeah, already available from October 2024.

[topaz fog]

i don't enjoy using linux :3

[rough patrol]

I‘m gonna be honest i dont think anyone "enjoys" using any OS

[umbral heron]

Who is

[rough patrol]

It‘s all about using the least terrible one

[pale sigil]

I liked using iPad OS

If that counts

[nimble arch]

Outside of gaming, I'm very happy with Apple's line up of operating systems.

[topaz fog]

• mac expensive and apple is bad. people see it also as some kind of status symbol and that's not something i vibe with
• windows 11 is malware
  I guess it's the year of the linux desktop for me at least and not by choice fwa haha

[nimble arch]

Plus I generally like their devices.

[rough patrol]

These are the exact reasons i am very strongly considering swapping to linux

[topaz fog]

well, i have until 2027 for windows 10 ltsc

[pale sigil]

Mac isn't generally that expensive anymore though.

[rough patrol]

Especially now that my main games all run on linux anyway

[pale sigil]

And I hate Apple

For example the MacBook mini is super good value

[rough patrol]

Losing league of legends isnt a big problem either so linux might be good

[crimson wigeon]

Losing that game is a good thing probably

[topaz fog]

dont think i have many windows dependencies left in my life
only things I can think of is my nintendo ds capture card, and well i gotta test software on windows. the latter is a problem that's gonna follow me forever
i dont play any games that aren't runnable on linux

[nimble arch]

My issue with Linux gaming is the whole anti-cheat support could go at any time... not to mention developers could add/change anti-cheat at any time. Apex disappeared over night. FFXIV could add one at any point. I'd hate to have a Linux gaming PC and then lose support for games I want to play.

[topaz fog]

dual boot..

[gaunt obsidian]

dont hate apple. its great!

[topaz fog]

it's a pain though i agree

their products are not very open and they have a long history of anti-consumer practices

re: apple

[umbral heron]

• mac expensive and apple is bad. people see it also as some kind of status symbol and that's not something i want to be associated with
• microsoft can suck my [redacted]

[gaunt obsidian]

their devices work together wonderfully and the products are high quality (most of them)

[nimble arch]

There's also enough up take of Windows 11 and the officially required hardware that we could see more anti-cheats (and potentially DRM solutions) functioning like Vanguard does. With Windows 10 support ending this year and PS4/XB1 multi-platform releases pretty much drying up... I can see PC system requirements shifting to Windows 11 24H2 being the minimum to run a PC release.

[topaz fog]

this is all true KD, always has been, haha

[analog sinew]

1000$ monitor stand

[ashen spindle]

And they only overcharge you by a few hundred percent at times

[gaunt obsidian]

yeah but as long as youre fine with that the products are great

[ashen spindle]

I love having to pay750$ to add 50$ of hardware so my laptop has specs I need

[topaz fog]

my problem with apple is not the products (well, apart from lack of repairability)

[umbral heron]

I love having a laptop released in 2024 with 8 GB of RAM

[gaunt obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqA8h0IBRmY

apple math is great

[ashen spindle]

Yes a scam is usually great math for the one charging it xD

[gaunt obsidian]

I fully agree on the pricing. but the products are great and i love their ecosystem
and once u go all in, you cant escape

[ashen spindle]

I don’t care it’s highway robbery if you need more than basic specs lol

these are normal prices and not something I could buy an entire second high end machine with lol

[magic minnow]

Idk how real but @lyric hatch

[nimble arch]

I have quite an extensive list of Apple devices 🙃

• iPhone 16 Pro Max 512GB
• AirPods Pro (first model, waiting for the Pro 3 so I finally ditch having any lightning cables)
• iPad 10th gen
• MacBook Pro 16" (M1 Pro, 16GB, 512GB)
• AppleTV 4K /w Ethernet (whatever the latest model is)
• Watch Ultra 2 in black

[rough patrol]

You dont understand, apple storage chips are worth more by weight than gold

[nimble arch]

No Vision Pro though... probably ever because it's just way too expensive for a fancy screen on my face.

[rough patrol]

It just makes sense really

[umbral heron]

I have quite a lot of Apple devices too :

Oh, and

[nimble arch]

I'd like to try the Vision Pro at least but I'll wait for a massive price cut, amongst other changes, before ever considering a purchase.

[lyric hatch]

Yeah seems about right

[nimble arch]

I used to be the staunch Apple hater when I was younger... then I did finally buy an iPhone one time and that was that

[bold coyote]

no pink, F phone series

[nimble arch]

Now it just works™️ and I can get on with my life.

[frigid steppe]

it’s insane

[lyric hatch]

I have a weird mix of apple products

[frigid steppe]

like the potential for it is crazy apple just needs to make it more accessible

i know a few people with them some use it for work

[lyric hatch]

But I can't bring myself to go iPhone

[nimble arch]

If I did ever switch to a Samsung or Pixel phone, I would also get the earphones and smart watch from those brands as well because of the ecosystem stuff that those companies also do with their own hardware.

[frigid steppe]

i couldn’t switch off iphone ngl

i’ve used my friends samsung devices but i don’t like them

[magic minnow]

I’ve switched off iPhone a few times but always come back

[nimble arch]

The S Pen, for example, seems really cool

[frigid steppe]

ios is much cleaner + facetime , integration with my mac and ipad pro, watch etc

[umbral heron]

I won't ever have iPhone, because I don't see myself spending 5~10x more than I usually do for a phone

[nimble arch]

I'd probably use it a ton if I had a Galaxy S24 Ultra

[magic minnow]

OnePlus seems really nice in the price for performance

[lyric hatch]

Might be exposing my age here but I had an iPhone 3GS that was my last iPhone

[magic minnow]

The OnePlus13 seems soooooo tempting right now

[nimble arch]

iPhone 7 was my first Apple product actually

I had the OnePlus One before that

[umbral heron]

Low-end Samsung
Good specs, no Samsung bloat, nice screen, cheap and easy to replace parts, will last for 3~4 years

[magic minnow]

I loved the Motorola droid line I was super into android back then

[lyric hatch]

Pretty much what I do but not low-end, been on the base galaxy s for 3 phones now

[nimble arch]

My plan is to use my 16 Pro Max + Ultra 2 for a five year cycle and then upgrade both in 2029

[magic minnow]

I’m already looking to upgrade my 16PM this year lol

[umbral heron]

Galaxy A34
Can highly recommend
Broke a tile in bathroom while dropping it

[nimble arch]

Maybe I'll look at non-Apple products then

I fucking love Apple Pay though

[umbral heron]

Google Pay is the same thing

[nimble arch]

When I last had an Android, my bank (Barclays) were insistent on using their app instead of Google Wallet or w/e it was called at the time

And it was shit

[lyric hatch]

Sad samsung pay never took off worked at any eftpos terminal wirelessly

[bold coyote]

there's a thing such a 'brand loyality' once people decide to go for something (e.g. Apple) its hard for them to switch off. They're used to the software, have other products that work within in the same company etc.

[nimble arch]

Android and iOS both have their quirks but I've grown accustomed to what Apple do (and don't do).

[bold coyote]

Ive used both, they have indeed things that the other one does better or worse.
But then again, Im not that tecchy to care of enough to keep on switching to whats 'the best' on the market atm

[lyric hatch]

The wall is a lot higher on iOS

[rough osprey]

will apple ever fix wifi 6e on iphone 15

[bold coyote]

iOS is dropping the ball real hard when it comes to customization thats base integrated. You need some many extra apps or steps to get things going

the things I could do on my Samsung like 5 years ago was crazy

Kinda miss that

[lyric hatch]

You must only customize within the parameters set by Apple

[umbral heron]

Ah, 2 more years...
And we'll finally have easily replaceable batteries in phones

[bold coyote]

they could just do the same thing as Samsung does, collab with artists etc. and then offer that in a store. But Apple hates doing that for some reason. Silly American company

[umbral heron]

You can either have (tons of customization) or (user-friendly consistent design)

Android phones are sacrificing a bit of user-friendliness towards customization

iPhones quite the contrary

[lyric hatch]

You mean like having a dedicated back button that's always in the place you want it to be

[bold coyote]

give me both

[umbral heron]

Hmm... it's bigger than I expected

[bold coyote]

thats what she s-

[magic minnow]

This was so cool honestly

[digital cliff]

low-end means it's massive

for low end phones they blow all of the 200-300€ on a big bright screen and a halfway decent camera

[umbral heron]

No, camera is potato

[digital cliff]

and if you want a phone that fits anywhere you have to either buy a 3 year old one or pay upwards of 1000€ for the flagship

because apparently only rich people get sane phone dimensions

[nimble arch]

Define sane

A 16 Pro Max is a sanely sized phone IMHO

[bold coyote]

Personally I prefer my phones a bit more on the smaller size. Feels quickly like im holding a mini tablet in my hand with some of them

[magic minnow]

Phablets

[umbral heron]

Meh, if I can reach to the other side with my thumb than I'm fine with it

[lyric hatch]

base model iPhones and Galaxy S

are considered small now

[magic minnow]

Maybe the nothing phone will release something nice

https://youtube.com/shorts/iWJ2W37VTWE?

Their ai is either gonna be a nightmare or something really cool

[digital cliff]

massive

normo iphone size is sane

over 15mm shorter

basically under 150mm tall is good, anything above is not good and anything above 160mm is huge

[topaz fog]

I have an xcover and it makes me look like a dork but I don't rly care about or like using phones so it's ok ig

[digital cliff]

based

I'll limp along with my xperia 10 iii for another year and probably by then it's time to replace it, hope something small is available then

[magic minnow]

https://www.asus.com/us/mobile-handhelds/phones/zenfone/zenfone-10/

[digital cliff]

too much

[topaz fog]

i almost got a zenfone but man is it ugly

[magic minnow]

It looks interesting

[digital cliff]

yeahhhh that too

it looks like, "rugged" and all

[magic minnow]

I still think the 1+12 in emerald is the nicest looking phone

I love that eyeball

[topaz fog]

these huge fat cameras i hate the look of

and when they protrude..

but then again who am i to talk about design or taste when i have an xcover and skin my linux to look like windows 95

[magic minnow]

Finger rest though

[bold coyote]

we need more cute phones like in Asia

[topaz fog]

a keitai would be a dream phone for me

[bold coyote]

[topaz fog]

too bad htey dont work on modern networks

[digital cliff]

a... phone?

[topaz fog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbX0MYLEx5o

(love f4mi)

[lyric hatch]

How about a nice mint green

[digital cliff]

ah so the japanese flip phones

[lyric hatch]

Yeah can't say mint green is my style

[balmy vector]

Cinnamoroll version?

[topaz fog]

i had no idea keitai just means "phone" lol

[vapid ruin]

mmm, if mint is just a little bit darker I prop like it

[bold coyote]

dont know if it released in the west

[bold coyote]

yeah keitaidenwa means mobile phone ;p

[magic minnow]

[topaz fog]

denwa bango i remember from my cursed uni days...

[nimble arch]

Reminds me of all the cosy girl setups I see on Instagram Reels from time-to-time

[topaz fog]

i did 6 month japanese course we don't talk about it

[bold coyote]

my dream for real once I get a bigger desk

[nimble arch]

I'd like to go smaller on my desk, to save space, but equally just getting a newer 160x80cm desk is also an appealing option.

But in black/walnut to match my North XL

Waiting for a sale on the desks Herman Miller sell (those warranty terms do be very good)

[digital cliff]

yeah I literally built a black/walnut desk to match my North and just a couple months ago decided I'm over that colorway and made it light instead haha

now I kinda want to trade my black north for the white one but odds are slim I'll find someone wanting to trade

[nimble arch]

I have a white IKEA Bekant frame with a piece of oak on top

Nice desk but just not my colour scheme anymore

[analog sinew]

my last pc part is waiting for me

weekend building time

[halcyon moss]

https://x.com/AukeHoekstra/status/1880251085501366675

AukeHoekstra (@AukeHoekstra) on X

Sizewell C, 2nd nuclear power plant in the UK, shows little learning.

Nuclear still ~ $10 000/kW

Or you could put solar on your roof:

Solar ~ $2 000/kW

10 kWh/kW of battery f~ $3 000

Seasonal storage ~ $3 000/kW

That's already a better deal, but...
https://t.co/luk8rMUgGq

X · Jan 17, 2025, 1:49 PM

Nuclear power plants don't make sense anymore

[ashen spindle]

the math isnt that simple (though I agree for the most part)

area density if you need a lot more than what solar+storage can do, long term needs to factor in cost of recycling panels and batteries vs nuclear upkeep etc.

[marsh glade]

Base load via nuclear is absolutely the way to go

[nimble arch]

Nuclear power is still very important

And far better that other non-renewable sources

[marsh glade]

Starting to sound German with this attitude

[nimble arch]

There's a ton of FUD surrounding nuclear

And it's absoslutely ruining our infrastructure

[ashen spindle]

the issue we have is not that we shut down nuclear, its that we shut it down without putting the money into replacing both nuclear and coal by now

we could have (and should have) been at a point where we have more or less the same energy production here but coal is gone entirely

[marsh glade]

"without putting the money into replacing both nuclear and coal by now" with what exactly?

LNG?

[fair gull]

i mean germany was more capture by the whole nuclear waste storage scare

oh and people going nuclear isnt eco

[ashen spindle]

mostly wind+storage, we are lacking a high energy power line from north to south as we have a shit ton of untapped areas where we could have more turbines

[fair gull]

dont get me started on wind energy

lol

the crap i heard from germans

[ashen spindle]

yeah

[fair gull]

"the government runs the wind turbines in reverse to drive up energy cost"

like what

[rough osprey]

they kill da birds

[ashen spindle]

bavaria alone cucked us so much due to söders incompetence on that topic to appease his stupid voter base instead of showing the benefits

[nimble arch]

Politics really does ruin our infrastructure

[fair gull]

its sad how uninformed most germans are on nuclear, solar, wind and wave energy generation

so they prefer coal cause they know how it works

[nimble arch]

Public transport networks globally have been ruined because of misinformation

Gotta have everyone driving cars instead

[ashen spindle]

imo the sad part is you could be uninformed about nuclear because what does it matter if you could just replace it and coal anyway with cheaper overall solutions

[fair gull]

i wish that was why Deutsche bahn sucked

[ashen spindle]

I mean it is part of the problem

caused the people in charge to not put enough money towards it because the automotive industry was lobbying hard enough

[fair gull]

imo nuclear rn is the better option compared to long term turbine and solar as we have no good recycling plans for those. iirc a lot of turbine blades just land on massive landfills laying around

[rough osprey]

i love the gambling part of DB

[fair gull]

DB has no gambling part

they only have a "let stuff break so the government pays for replacements" part

[ashen spindle]

thats my point, we had 15 years we could have used to push that industry to be profitable but instead we lost almost all solar panel manufacturing to china because no local support

[halcyon moss]

I'm pro nuke, don't get me wrong.. But economics and time scale wise it doesn't make much sense. It's also super high risk as far as investing goes to build. It's always a lot more expensive than budgeted.

[marsh glade]

The best time to plant a Nuclear Power Plant was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.

[halcyon moss]

Solar generate now.
Nuke maybe in 10 years if it goes to plan

[ashen spindle]

like we paid 1.x billions in subsidies to coal in 2022 alone, if we had put money like that towards making turbine blades not a wastefill we wouldnt need to argue about this at all

[reef patrol]

You don't go all solar, or all wind - or all nuclear.

[rough osprey]

going into nuclear now seems kinda useless

[reef patrol]

Wind and Solar are both temperamental to nature, and people put different loads on the grid at different times - which is where some kind of fossil or fissile fuel comes in.

[ashen spindle]

you can, if you have the storage options that are not just lifepo batteries

big storage is what coudl easily cover the cap

[marsh glade]

France's energy grid with all its nuclear powerplants is keeping the entire Eurozone economy afloat sooooo

[reef patrol]

You still have to have a plan ready in case there's a week of next to no wind, or clouds.

[nimble arch]

France

[ashen spindle]

the energy grid that needed to import electricity from germany a ton?

[balmy vector]

Nuclear baguettes?

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjHH8Qf3aO4

Also also - New tech might be coming sooner rather than later.

[marsh glade]

https://www.ans.org/news/article-5844/france-leads-europe-as-largest-2023-energy-exporter/

[rough osprey]

nice thumbnail

[ashen spindle]

thorium is like nuclear fusion, I think I first heard of it coming soon in 2010

[reef patrol]

It's the same thing. You just have liquid fuel instead of rods.

And it can help recoup some of the material for more fuel - and is on paper cheaper and smaller scale possible.

[halcyon moss]

Thorium.. Yeaaahhhh right

[ashen spindle]

yes and it has been a thing thats coming next year for at least 15 years

[reef patrol]

Sure. And Solar keeps getting better and better every year.

I didn't say it was a guarantee in the next few years. I'm saying that there's interesting research being done to help make Nuclear less of a risk - especially economical.

[ashen spindle]

yeah but you need to make it a lower economical risk for it to match solar/wind first and then it needs to still overtake to make more sense than those lol

[old marlin]

[reef patrol]

Solar and Wind is not the solution - it is part of it.

[halcyon moss]

And drought so nukes need to be turned off

[ashen spindle]

the year where germany had the biggest exports to france ever because their nuclear net had issues?

[compact relic]

honestly the best option is to have a mix of solar, wind and possibly hydro backed up by nuclear

[old marlin]

yea at that time they could operate ~half of their nuclear plants

[halcyon moss]

Thankfully there was solar

[compact relic]

Hydro heavily depends on location, the whole country of Norway basically runs purely on hydro because of their mountains

[old marlin]

thankfully germany had renewables is what you mean

[ashen spindle]

to put it in other words: if there is so little sun, watermovement and wind, that you would need to fall back to nuclear if you proberly budget turbines/panels and storage, you would not have time to worry about electricity because more shit was going wrong already lol

[rough osprey]

i mean importing doesnt always mean you dont have enough yourself

[reef patrol]

Oh - So we'll just shut down all of the coal and oil plants.

Did you hear everyone? Solar and Wind solved energy

[ashen spindle]

yes that would be the plan

[rough osprey]

often times its just cheaper

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

I dont know what you think I am saying, I'm not saying we are already at that point where thats possible

[reef patrol]

It'll never happen. And it shouldn't.

[ashen spindle]

why not

[rough osprey]

the dream would be only using renewables and having enough energy storage

[marsh glade]

The dream would be moving energy intensive industries to locations where energy is cheap and easy

But the German's can't handle that reality...

[wild coyote]

Okay, out of context boyos, should I get this with a 7800 XT?
https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show/190801/b650aea-7700x-32gbc-6000/gigabyte-b650-aorus-elite-ax-v2-ryzen-7-7700x-32gb-ddr5-6000mhz-tuotepaketti

[compact relic]

Youd need a pretty damn massive energy storage if you want to keep something like the nordics running through winter when there's barely any sunlight or wind and a lot of electricity consumption for heating

[wild coyote]

cuz I'm tryna get a decent new PC soon, as my friend do be buying mine

[ashen spindle]

the nordic areas have massive waterturbine productions, nobody says to only use wind and solar there lol

[compact relic]

only norway and partly sweden have big hydro

[ashen spindle]

finnland is also what, 1/4th hydro?

[reef patrol]

Redundancy. You don't have emergency power generators in Hospitals for when everything's doing fine.

[compact relic]

Like 1/10th atm

[ashen spindle]

I'm not saying to not have redundancy, you can have enough redundancy without needing coal/oil/nuclear

[reef patrol]

No.

[ashen spindle]

uh yes thats not that difficult to imagine

[halcyon moss]

I'm just glad nobody mentioned hydrogen yet

[balmy vector]

So, about hydrogen…

[reef patrol]

Difficult enough that... literally no one has this imaginary technology in infrastructure.

[old marlin]

so far renewables have prooved to be more reliable than fossile/nuclear

the sun comes out every day

[ashen spindle]

supposedly 20% based ont his stats form 2024?

[rough osprey]

what if we burn the trees

[old marlin]

but extreme weather can mess with fossile/nuclear in a lot of ways

[marsh glade]

looks outside
uh huh.

Oh I missed the reply

[marsh glade]

That supposed to be to this

[ashen spindle]

mansen I am not talking about doing that with todays setup, I am saying we wasted 15 years in germany on getting(most of the way) there already

[reef patrol]

If that was the case, we wouldn't have to power on a coal plant ever. And we will never reach a point where solar, hydro or wind will somehow magically store energy for long enough to be considered a proper "we need it NOW, this instant" redundancy.

[compact relic]

Does that mean capacity or the total percentage generated

[old marlin]

even with overcast they are more reliable than fossile/nuclear

droughts are to be expected annualy by now

[ashen spindle]

net production

[old marlin]

we already store a lot with hydro rn

[compact relic]

Because last year was pretty fucky for electricity here, lots of production issues which caused the prices to skyrocket

[old marlin]

and lifepo storage is becoming more viable by the year

and unlike thorium reactors is in actual use already

[ashen spindle]

you can make your house energy self sufficent with hydrogen storage, its just not cheap enough or efficent enough to make sense for everyone lol, its like 50% energy lost but if you are in a house in a forest all on your own without a connection, that could work all year around

[old marlin]

yea my brother actually looked into local hydrogen storage

[ashen spindle]

we already have bad solutions for it, I dont see the big hurdle in making that a good solution in years

[old marlin]

and a setup is ~30+k

but they get upsold a LOT

[old marlin]

that is with a fuel cell

[compact relic]

Yeah I guess we have enough hydro capacity for 1/4th of our needs then, unless that chart includes what's bought from sweden

[rough osprey]

i got a better idea

[old marlin]

you could push it down if you used ICE generators

[rough osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-wheel-run-gif-10746499

[halcyon moss]

Hydrogen is also nasty stuff

[old marlin]

ehhhh

it's not super nice

but better than a lot of energy stuff

[ashen spindle]

it shows the percentage of net electricity creation in finnland, so no imports or peak/low

yes I dont think hydrogen is the long term solution that will make sense, its one that in very few cases can make sense right now (sole house in a forest etc.)

[old marlin]

💀 meanwhile the large right populism party in germany wants to just get rid of all wind power

whopping 20+% of our energy mix that would just get deleted

[analog sinew]

hydrogen has its uses but its mostly an excuse for fossil companies

[analog sinew]

well they are stupid

[old marlin]

technically you can make very large easily scalable energy storage

[compact relic]

what's up with Germany shooting themselves in the foot in the middle of an energy crisis, first nuclear plants and now that

[old marlin]

buuuut you loose a lot of efficiency over something like lifepo storage

[old marlin]

nuclear shutdown had better reasoning at least

[compact relic]

too expensive or what

[ashen spindle]

well the politics at the time when fukushima happened were very conservative so they made sure people dont vote them out for the greens but made sure to keep the coal lobby happy

[compact relic]

Burning coal is much cheaper i agree but bruh

[ashen spindle]

no its not lol

we subsidies coal with like a billion+ each year

[old marlin]

safety concerns (personally don't agree with those but still a legitamate reason)
no local fuel production unlike coal
no end storage solution

in the end we bet more on gas, which was a mistake imo

but at least we also built a lot of renewables

[ashen spindle]

basically it was a effort to take wind out of the sails of a energy movement that people wanted by doing only what benefits them in the ends the most instead of what would be the best long term solution

[old marlin]

ya

reason for getting rid of wind power now is to make us more dependant on russian gas

[ashen spindle]

and thus we now have right wing parties using the 15+ year old debt to say wind energy and the green party are the reason our costs went up

[old marlin]

to essentially force us to stop supporting ukraine

[ashen spindle]

this is a nice graph, you can see where solar especiall starts to grow, around 2011 when fukushima happened

now imagine all these years we would have put the coal subsidies into more local solar or whatnot

[compact relic]

wasnt there some EU directive basically forcing big buildings to have solar panels in the future too

[ashen spindle]

yeah thats happening here now too for new housings

but we basically lost all local manufacturing to china because they put subisidies out for them

so if we had that here we could grow so much more for cheaper and faster

just the typical short sighted political decisions to make sure your supporters like you in 4 years and not in 20

[halcyon moss]

yeah.. we have those too. and usually they are terrible deals so residents opt for the lowest amount. and replace them later with a proper array

creating lots of ewaste

[lyric hatch]

Was interested to see how NZ is doing with power looking pretty good overall

[compact relic]

Hydro is goated when the location allows it

[lyric hatch]

Certainly a lot of water here

[halcyon moss]

lots of water in NL as well.
just not a lot of height

[rough osprey]

build some mountains

[lyric hatch]

Whole country is full of volcanoes so no issues here

[halcyon moss]

we had some plans apparently to do that :p

and also create a hole in the sea somewhere to create an artificial hydro thing

[rough osprey]

oh wow

[reef patrol]

Thanks Grok Google.

[wheat plume]

I wonder what discontinued nuclear power plant Google will decide to revive in order to get power for their AI training data centers

Microsoft called dibs on Three Mile Island and hope to have it activated by 2029

[pale sigil]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/tiktok-will-be-banned-in-the-us-from-sunday-supreme-court-rules-13289394

Let it burn

[marsh glade]

"will Donald Trump be able to save it once he is in office?"
OBJECTION! Leading the witness

[reef patrol]

The US will once again fail to learn that people just find new apps...

[frozen ingot]

dolan'll fix it

[ashen spindle]

no this is great because now there is a simple precedent that if they proof ties from musk to putin (aka whenever they want) they could take twitter away or force it to shut down depending

[reef patrol]

Vine anyone? 😄

[rough osprey]

😭

[analog sinew]

they already have an even weirder chinese app

[reef patrol]

Mhmm

[wheat yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-assassins-creed-vine-2013-gif-25672592

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2zgC2A0ehU lmao one tiny screen that was almost hidden, good news though that it seems to work?

[cursive summit]

Incredible, the faster QDEL comes the faster we can kill off OLED

The blue light diode dying fast though is still a big hurdle to overcome

[ashen spindle]

uhh we dont really know what the current issues are with qdel so we dont know what the current hurdles are

[cursive summit]

We know what the 2024 hurdles were and that was the blue color dying extremely quickly

And that was a technological barrier that nobody knew if we'd even be able to overcome

I hope they figured out anything on that front

[vagrant pagoda]

`which use of the acronym is that

[ashen spindle]

its just using quantum dots for the light directly, so nano led sorta

[vagrant pagoda]

qdel is used for both the qd on lcd and qd on el

[cursive summit]

QDEL uses quantum dots itself, it's not used anywhere

It's its own technology

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah its been at ces for like 3 years in a row

[ashen spindle]

no this is like the second

[cursive summit]

2024 was the first one I think

TCL might have had an exhibition somewhere before that, they are leading on that one

I think Sharp also are doing progress on it, can't remember

[vagrant pagoda]

boe had one in like 21 or 22

[ashen spindle]

tcl didnt even have anything before today, sharp made the previous years one

[vagrant pagoda]

and samsung before that

[cursive summit]

But yeah I hope they do make a major push, QDEL is incredible

The price and performance is just so incredible it'll be the natural successor to LCD panels

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean it has the same burnin issue as oled

[cursive summit]

Though the barrier is gigantic, the blue quantum dot has low lifespan, far lower than OLED

[ashen spindle]

boe had AMQLED which is similar but not the same I think

[cursive summit]

When they overcome that, and it's probably as difficult as inventing the blue light diode, we'll have the next gen panel tech that obsoletes everything

[cursive summit]

In theory it's far less an issue than on OLED, the lifespan should be a lot longer on QDEL

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean it will be a while before its better than microled

[cursive summit]

Not currently

Microled with QDEL being a thing is not even worth pursuing

Microled is insanely expensive and has no real benefits over QDEL

But that's theoretical

[vagrant pagoda]

other than the fact that microled has zero burn in and image retention issues

which qdel and oled do

[ashen spindle]

qdel is just a different approach to solving oled burn in issue

[vagrant pagoda]

current qdel has WORSE burnin than oled though

[ashen spindle]

nothing says its guaranteed to take over if you can just make oled not die in a normal lifespan

so for all we know qdel might never make it to market

[cursive summit]

Yes, current QDEL is worse than OLED by a long mile and we don't even know if it's fixable

[vagrant pagoda]

the down side for microled is cost

[cursive summit]

But if they fix the blue light problem, it'll be several times longer living than OLED

[ashen spindle]

oled needs to fix something they are improving on rapidly, qdel needs to even work and then be improved on

its nice tech and I hope it works well but I dont even think its likely it kills of oled lol

[vagrant pagoda]

qdled is where i see it going

all hail nakamura

[cursive summit]

OLED is still pretty expensive, though it's getting cheaper, QDEL has the benefits of being with higher theoretical longevity, just as good of a picture and being insanely cheap to manufacture

Again it's pretty funny that QDEL can just be.. printed, the cost is insanely low

But man if it isn't just sad the main problem with it is potentially unfixable

[vagrant pagoda]

how do you think they make oleds?

they print them

and how do you think they put qd on oleds and microled?

printing

[cursive summit]

Except it's nowhere near as cheap as QDEL is purported to be

[vagrant pagoda]

the issue with qdled is literally the qd burn in

[cursive summit]

I wonder what the refresh rates would be on QDELs

I have not seen anything on that front

[vagrant pagoda]

same as oled and microled, as fast as the driver

[cursive summit]

We can hope

[vagrant pagoda]

its a balance of heat and speed

faster display = more heat

[cursive summit]

It's non-organic so maybe heat would be less of an issue

[rough osprey]

oh no qdel again

[vagrant pagoda]

qds hate heat

how do you keep skipping that

[ashen spindle]

I think you are too hung up on the organic part of oled, thats not the only downside they have lol

[vagrant pagoda]

the two big downsides of oled is they hate heat and the cost

[ashen spindle]

from what you could get and what downsides there are I would almost see qdel as basically another oled flavor from consumer viewpoint, if they make it into a product

[vagrant pagoda]

oleds dont last long, burn in, have retention and arent bright all due to how bad they are with heat

right now qdel has the same issue, but even more extreme

its why they arent making just normal led lighting and such with qd

all high power leds are just different phosphors on uv or blue leds, qd are more efficient than phosphor

but they cant take the heat

[charred nexus]

Guys I think my PC is done

Something doesn't add up

I run geekbench 6 on my PC on windows it got 2000 something single core and 6200 something muti

I boot up Linux thinking it might have too many things running in the background

It got like 2.4K and 8.1K

On a 11900K

[ashen spindle]

no thats just geekbench being different

dont use tools if you dont know what they do

[charred nexus]

On my 10600K ITX it got like 7.6K muti

[charred nexus]

Idk cuz I wanna test something

[ashen spindle]

then test it with something thats not different under linux

[charred nexus]

No way it's not running games properly after I reinstalled Windows 2 times

[ashen spindle]

why tf would you care about geekbench numbers when you have issues with games

[charred nexus]

uh cuz I have other issues with the CPU performance

[ashen spindle]

well gb isnt doing to find that unless its like literally just not running clockspeeds it should be at but task manager would show that alone

[charred nexus]

How to test that then

[ashen spindle]

check cpu temperatures when under load

you also havent said what the issues are so idk what could help

[charred nexus]

it's just slow

I've tried like install windows on two different drive

Tried different ram

[ashen spindle]

what does that even mean

do you get lower fps in games than you did before

[charred nexus]

Kinda, I installed a clean windows 11 and tried running games on it, it doesn't run like it did before

[ashen spindle]

cpu temps are fine?

[charred nexus]

Yeah

[vapid ruin]

what windows version?

there's multiple version/update of win 11

[charred nexus]

24H2

[marsh pewter]

well theres the issue

[vapid ruin]

a lot of report indicate that specific version causes performance issue, you can try downgrading

[charred nexus]

Alright

Which version should I downgrade to

[vapid ruin]

there's a comment that says 23h2 is fine, so something similar or earlier than that

[marsh pewter]

23h2 should be fine

[charred nexus]

Alright

[unkempt lake]

I blocked 24h2 from my windows pcs cuz its shit

Also breaks some ubi games

And path of exile 2

[charred nexus]

I have no idea 24H2 have problems

[nimble arch]

I, too, have 24H2 without problems.

[charred nexus]

I reinstalled Windows like a month ago and the ISO I downloaded is 24H2

[unkempt lake]

It's a piece of doodoo

[vapid ruin]

a simple google search helps a lot, and there's like million of different pc config and some rng so it may be fine for some

[unkempt lake]

Just make a group policy to prevent the 24h2 update

[balmy vector]

It breaks poe2? Doesnt happen to me.

[charred nexus]

I mean if I don't know it cause problem how would I know it's windows itself that cause problems instead of other things

Cuz "computer slow" can be tons of different things

[gentle osprey]

Thought some of these issues were fixed months ago? https://youtu.be/rlfTHCzBnnQ?si=dbxoKjiQuAHPsZzf

[gentle osprey]

and don't play Ubishit games lol

[charred nexus]

Cuz like File Explorer being really slow and crashing sometimes could be other things causing this

[unkempt lake]

Nope

Also the performance update got ported to 23h2 so

No reason to update

[unkempt lake]

Look up POE2 and 24H2 xD

[unkempt lake]

I get them for free :3

Free is a good price for ubisoft games

[gentle osprey]

Lol fair, theyve just fallen off so much in recent years

and im jus talkin shit ;P

[balmy vector]

Guess I’m too cool for crashes

[unkempt lake]

I'll say things have been getting better internally as of the last month or so according to my brother so hopefully they can crawl out of this mess.

XD

[gentle osprey]

That's good to hear

[unkempt lake]

I guess so

[unkempt lake]

As much as the company's been struggling the last thing i think anyone wants is for tencent to run it

and also my brother losing his job would suck because then i wouldn't get free ubi games from him anymore

Clearly what matters the most here

Me getting to play free videogames

[sudden imp]

I’m all for Ubisoft getting better leadership and surviving

Nobody wants people’s livelihoods go down the drain

[bright briar]

Need EA to go out of business

https://tenor.com/view/kirbylaugh-gif-839269530456239275

[ivory nexus]

yo fast question can you pull the switches out fast without breaking it?

[reef patrol]

With skill? Yes. If you have to ask? Probably not. If you need to pull a lot of switches, take the keyboard apart and push them out instead

[ivory nexus]

y

ty

[bright briar]

be like that one cursed dude in this server that pops out the switches like its bubble wrap

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hiding-scared-cat-thaddeuswinter-thaddeus-winter-scared-gif-8846590460708131918

[wind nest]

Guys i slammed my ducky keyboard and it seems like it went into some type of mode where the keys have some special functions like pressing S saves a file, pressing B makes a bookmark, pressing N opens a new browser window, any idea how to turn it off

[trim crane]

https://www.windowslatest.com/2025/01/17/microsoft-begins-auto-updating-pcs-to-windows-11-24h2-forced-download-phase/
this is a joke right

from 23H2 to 24H2 (i havent used my PC in 2 days)

[unkempt lake]

Just setup a group policy...

Takes 5 seconds

Win + r
Gpedit.msc

then you select windows update

There you go @trim crane

You'll stay on 23h2

[trim crane]

thanks

lemme just save these photos

[unkempt lake]

You'll still get updates but only those related to 23h2

Like security patches

No 24h2

[trim crane]

Thanks Dashi

[unkempt lake]

Np :)

[bright briar]

im not gonna do this but thanks dashi

[unkempt lake]

Well now you know you can do it if there's a big windows update you want to avoid

For xyz reasons

[bright briar]

[gusty nexus]

Why not install the latest update ?
AMD CPU has a 10% performance increase with the latest update

[gusty nexus]

Didn't happened for me

[pale sigil]

i think my bathroom is killing my routers wifi

without wall

and like 300 with wall lol

any tips?

[balmy vector]

Eat the wall

[fair gull]

remove wall

OR

[bright briar]

https://tenor.com/view/forza-horizon5-dodge-viper-drive-fast-driving-gif-6312718399616541451

[fair gull]

run an ethernet cable into the bathroom and mount an access point

[pale sigil]

my old place the router wqs in the middle of the house, i wish i could do soemthing similar here.

Ayyup what

in the bathroo,

yet at this distance its so poo

[balmy vector]

Still better than my internet

[pale sigil]

i get around 200-300 here

my bedroom is even worse

its really annoying because i got this router as i used moonlight a lot but its worse

[modern sky]

If they actually do this I'm gonna host another Windows refund day

[fair gull]

its not the distance that matters purely. its the stuff inbetween your phone and the router/ap

[modern sky]

Windows 11 is not that awful but that's messed up

[fair gull]

you have to remember while your router/ap can just pump out wifi signals at some insane power.... your phone cant

[trim crane]

like it has the potential to be a good OS but Microsoft to f it up

[fair gull]

most of the time its either reinforced walls, wiring or piping in the walls that cause wifi drops

if your house is made of wooden studs and paper covering the air it would work fine

[unkempt lake]

https://wccftech.com/amd-branch-prediction-optimization-ryzen-9000-7000-cpus-available-windows-11-23h2/

Literally you can just use 23H2 and get the improvements

[balmy vector]

I kinda like 24h2s changes to the layout of some stuff

[modern sky]

The main issue with it is Windows 11 has the same issue every windows release had since ME

It actually doesn't introduce that many features but builds onto an old codebase

[gusty nexus]

When I've switched to 24h2, my 7800x3d gains 200mhz 🤷

[unkempt lake]

Amd chipset driver did that

[modern sky]

It's hard to trust in software so disorganised

[unkempt lake]

There was a bug with a previous version of the chipset driver that could result in lower clocks

Prob just got auto updated at the same time

[pale sigil]

I know but it shouldn't be this worse than my last router

[unkempt lake]

Anyhow the windows improvement shouldn't affect clockspeeds

[pale sigil]

Wasted loads of money if so

as for a WAP @fair gull its more money 😦

[fair gull]

depends

[fair gull]

if the RX gain isnt good enough it can be

[pale sigil]

put it in my doorway and its 500/500

better i guess

[modern sky]

That's a chonker have you considered adding an antenna and wall mounting it?

[pale sigil]

I will when I find the right place

Just testing

[balmy vector]

Looks tasty

[pale sigil]

worst thing is i cant even return it

@fair gullAnother thing to note is i would have to have thw wire along the outside because the bathroom is a wetroom

[trim crane]

eating more electronics ya goober

[pale sigil]

I really wanted to avoid a WAP tbh

[fair gull]

nothing flextape cant fix

[pale sigil]

uh

i turned the router around and i get much better speeds

[unkempt lake]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crazy-blue-cat-push-table-jerk-gif-14539852

[pale sigil]

Wtf haha

I'm getting 800 in my room now

[ashen spindle]

does your router not have antennas

[pale sigil]

No

[ashen spindle]

if neither router nor laptop have antennas yeah that could be all thats needed to be quite different once its not in a straight line

[pale sigil]

Hmm, well, I'll try again putting it in my office because I just faced it a different way and similar speeds

Poop

[fair gull]

any linux heads around?

[pale sigil]

This is really frustrating because currently I use the 2.5gb ports on the other.

[analog sinew]

sudo rm -rf

[magic minnow]

I think Dashi, Cal, and Tak.y0n

[vagrant pagoda]

fucking nerds

[magic minnow]

Put them in front of windows 8 and they’d cry

[fair gull]

ZIP_CMD="7z a -p${ENC_PW} -tzip -mhe=on -m0=copy -mem=AES256 -so"

enc_folder()
{
        FOLDERNAME=$1
        BACKUPNAME=$2
        TEMP=$3

        # Setup
        cd
        mkdir -p $BACKUP_TEMP/$FOLDERNAME
        chmod -R 700 $BACKUP_TEMP

        # Sync data so changes dont interrupt
        rsync --bwlimit=204800 -avz $FOLDERNAME/ $BACKUP_TEMP/$FOLDERNAME/
        cd $BACKUP_TEMP

        # First we tar to archive all metadata
        tar -cvpzf - ./$FOLDERNAME | pv -L 200M > $TEMP
        chmod 700 $TEMP

        # Now we zip to encrypt
        $ZIP_CMD $TEMP | pv -L 200M > $BACKUPNAME
        chmod 700 $BACKUPNAME

        # Move to the backup folder
        mv $BACKUPNAME /$BACKUP_FOLDER/$BACKUPNAME

        # Cleanup
        cd
        rm -rf $BACKUP_TEMP
}

so i have this as part of my bash script to backup server stuff

but for some reason the tar ball fails and "cant be opened as archive" a the end of it

btw this worked before i added pv to limit bandwidth to 200Mib

[vagrant pagoda]

no first dash in tar

tar cvpzf

[fair gull]

huh is that cause i dont give it an output filename?

[vagrant pagoda]

tar predates dash for optional options

[fair gull]

weird worked fine before modifying it

[vagrant pagoda]

to encrypt

[fair gull]

to keep permisions and what not

the zip at the end only encrypts the contents and headers

at least from my testing with restoring from the backups tarballs worked better

[vagrant pagoda]

mf cant even read comments when they are there and good XD

you mean like a tar.gz lmao

[fair gull]

i mean i wish tar offered encryption and header encryption

[vagrant pagoda]

gunzip supports multiple files

[fair gull]

no issue for me at this point

script already ran fine

[vagrant pagoda]

more like that isnt what tar was made for

[fair gull]

so as long as i can limit bw usage now itll be perfect

[vagrant pagoda]

tar is for tape backup

tape systems generally had thier own compression techs

they are better than defalt as they exploit the tape system

[fair gull]

hmmm should i gz or let zip compress

[vagrant pagoda]

so it would be bad to compress before sending to tape

[vagrant pagoda]

gz and zip are both deflate

[fair gull]

does gzip offer the same algos?

so fast

what the crap is going on

[vagrant pagoda]

they both use deflate so yeah

[fair gull]

blazing fast tar moment it seems

[vagrant pagoda]

spinner disk?

[fair gull]

uh no pretty sure its SSD backed

[vagrant pagoda]

odd its slow

tar generally is disk limited

[fair gull]

im limiting it to 200Mib with pv cause if i let it go full 1.5gib then some game servers crash

(especially mc hates me writing full speed to the disk)

[vagrant pagoda]

not using ramdisk for mc is sus

[fair gull]

and the man page makes me even more confused on the dash options

oh i see it supports all 3

[pale sigil]

ok these are speeds with it in my office and me in my bedroom so i will take the temp win

[vagrant pagoda]

pipes are why windows can never be taken serious as a sever

barely

[fair gull]

figured it out... forgot to add a K after the variable containing the limit in Kib

so it read it as bytes

powershell is really nice

did massive automated reencoding with it a while ago including auto removal of unwanted subtitles and such

im still contemplating using powershell on my linux server

cause bash sucks

[vagrant pagoda]

also why not just umask at the top instead of 3 chmods

[fair gull]

need to rethink the approach anyway cause rn restoring straight from the backups is a pain as all perms get changed to 700

the issue im trying to avoid is things changing while i tar. so i copy the data first as its way faster and then tar the "snapshot"

[vagrant pagoda]

use zfs from the start

[fair gull]

not an option at this point

but yeah idk if its safe to just copy the folders as they are without changing perms to 700 on the temp backup folder

mainly cause i dont fully understand permissions in linux with folders and such

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean what is it for?

[fair gull]

it backs up important things like nginx configs, certs, mail server, bitwarden vault, game servers and such

well my main issue with understanding perms is if you can list/read/write to subfolders if the parent folder is for example 700

like if i have /a/b/c can i just read/list folder b and file c even if a is 700 and im not the owner

mainly concerns this backup stuff

as i put things into new folders that can contain sensitive data

well there is some freinds who have their own users

yeah well i need to copy it to a temp folder first

and that temp folder is what im mainly worried about

yeah i cleanup

but the whole perms on root of the temp is what i dont fully understand

ye my main issue is the whole can you still access files in the folder if youd know the path somehow

so if i have /temp/something/file and file is 777 but temp is 700 then they cant access file in any way

[fair gull]

well tar is still giving weird errors

ill have to debug it tomorrow

[rigid gyro]

how can i refund my order??

[finite rune]

anybody got latency tests per firmware ver.

[unkempt lake]

Linus and GN going at each other again. Youtubers really are just large kids bickering at each other

[balmy vector]

Im guessing its about the honey thing

[vagrant pagoda]

steve said linus swept the honey thing under the rug

and linus is butt hurt about it

[magic minnow]

Aren’t the only people who lost anything in the honey thing content creators?

[crimson wigeon]

Pretty much

[ashen spindle]

anyone with a referal which often is content creators yes

[magic minnow]

[ashen spindle]

well and that stores ended up dealing with honey so consumers and stores lost out bc its basically fake coupons

[unkempt lake]

Only website i ever saw honey work on was gfuel

yes i drink caffeinated trash don't judge me it's cheaper than monster and i hate coffee

[balmy vector]

Coffee yummy

[unkempt lake]

I'd literally enable it only when buying gfuel

The biggest creator code you could find was 30% outside of a buy one get one free event and it always managed to find me a 30% code and that's all i really cared about

but yeah gfuel only website where honey ever worked

[unkempt lake]

No

Me no likies

[balmy vector]

Wrong opinion I’m afraid

[unkempt lake]

Hot beverages bad

[lyric hatch]

I use to not like coffee but turns out I was just having bad coffee

[unkempt lake]

I don't even like hot choccy

I drink cold choccy

[balmy vector]

Ok wtf

That’s a sin

[unkempt lake]

Because cold drinks are superior

[lyric hatch]

Iced coffee it is

[unkempt lake]

never tried it actually

[balmy vector]

Id chug iced coffee

[unkempt lake]

I just dislike hot drinks

As a whole

Nesquik powder in cold milk is better than a hot chocolate

Cold choccy best choccy milk

[magic minnow]

It’s yummy

[bright briar]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-mandalorian-i-have-spoken-baby-yoda-gif-24159898

[vagrant pagoda]

ever put just the minium amount of milk to dissolve the nesquick power and eat that like pudding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkc9E726K3I

the size vs the 4090 is wild

[river grail]

Does anyone have any experience with lamzu?

[magic minnow]

Idk what color to get

[vapid ruin]

basic black seems nice

Blue is too dark for me.

White is also nice, but the silver on the camera is too distracting

[magic minnow]

Black and White are very pretty looking

[empty wren]

Are those all vegan leather backs?

[magic minnow]

Only the blue

[vapid ruin]

Imo I go for black

[magic minnow]

[empty wren]

That black has to be sandpaper or glass

[vapid ruin]

I'm just gonna put a case over it anyway lmao

[empty wren]

Probably for the best

[magic minnow]

Are you getting one as well?

[vapid ruin]

nah

[magic minnow]

I just wanna try something other than apple or Samsung

[empty wren]

I wish oppo did global sales more often, but owning OnePlus it does lookalike stuff

[vapid ruin]

my current phone is my first time using samsung lmao

[magic minnow]

Which one did you get?

[vapid ruin]

s23 FE, serves me well enough

[empty wren]

Oh I forgot to ask do any of those have an ultrasonic sensor?

[vapid ruin]

what's that?

[empty wren]

Biometric sensor

Samsung uses it on the Galaxy s series

[magic minnow]

For the finger? OnePlus 13 has a new one

[vapid ruin]

for finger print, yeah

[magic minnow]

I saw the magic 7 has eye tracking now as well

[vapid ruin]

fuwee

eye tracking, hopefully that gets cheap enough to get into the next quest

[empty wren]

Lower priced than X 8 Ultra, neat

[empty wren]

Anybody remember the tobii eye tracker

[trim crane]

S20 Ultra, same

[unkempt lake]

You barely had your 16 for a year tho

[magic minnow]

I miss android

[unkempt lake]

Also oneplus is nothing special nowadays

Imo

It's just a rebranded oppo

and their software really ain't the best

Like the infamous storage bug

That lasted ages on i don't remember the model

[magic minnow]

I just wanna try something different it’s always apple and Samsung

[unkempt lake]

Rog phone? You said you liked mobile gaming

And i'd be an actual different experience

From the regular phone stuff

[magic minnow]

The update support isn’t too good on them

[unkempt lake]

Same applies to any company that's not google apple or samsung

I bed now

Night

[vapid ruin]

have fun sleeping

[halcyon moss]

I wish Samsung allowed recording of calls over here... 😦

[cursive summit]

Interesting, PS6 might be a 2027 product with UDNA. Zen 6 will be on N2 at least partially

[spare panther]

Is it possible to unbind a key but still have custom keybinds for it or just like not make the key respond?

I have removed most of the keys from my numpad other than the numbers themselves cuz I wanna try some keybinds

But I assume it doesn't work since they're unbound?

[digital cliff]

uhhh I don't really understand what it is you want to do

[spare panther]

Like these keys. I disabled them because I don't use their normal functions, but I still wanna be able to bind them into something else

Is there any way to do that?

Or do they need their standard function

[lyric hatch]

Just rebind them to something else it overrides whatever it was binded to previously it doesn't do both simultaneously

[digital cliff]

yeah you unbound them

but.. you want them bound

so bind them to what you want em to do

[cursive summit]

Kliksphilip is back with.. his new weird style https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkj1otEe6OA

It looks like a good card tbf

[fair gull]

weird because hes not doing goofy stuff but petting a cat for over 50% of the video?

[cursive summit]

His style has always been a bit goofy but at least normal

Kinda recently he's been doing this weird homeless psycho thing

And that's also kind of intruded onto his CS content on 3kliks channel where people also noticed it's been.. different

[fair gull]

maybe we just watched different videos

[cursive summit]

I like the dude, fartmaster excluded, but Philip is.. different

[fair gull]

ok so i finished the video and i must have missed the psycho homeless part

[lyric hatch]

Can confirm saw cat 🐈

[reef patrol]

The thumbnail had a cat as well originally.

Fucking A/B testing 😄

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intels-arrow-lake-fix-doesnt-fix-overall-gaming-performance-or-correct-the-companys-bad-marketing-claims-core-ultra-200s-still-trails-amd-and-previous-gen-chips

[marsh glade]

I would never have clicked on it if I didn't know there was a cat

I was not disappointed and have shared it, because of the cat

[cursive summit]

The original thumbnail was far weirder lol, hence the psycho part