🔌│tech

[lyric hatch]

it was basically a meme until recently with no active cable support you were limited to 1m length cables

[whole axle]

But the new gpus all support it now I’m assuming?

[ashen spindle]

DSC on most things is not an issue because it only is noticeable by humans if its the highest levels of compression dsc has which usually only 32:9 monitors and such use

so if you go for any 16:9 screen you wont really need to worry about it

[drifting raptor]

What mice should I get I currently have the Logitech 502 hero

[whole axle]

Ah gotcha thx!

[ashen spindle]

the confusion mostly comes from people not knowing theres different levels of DSC and if you only see the bad or good one it gets confusing because one person things its not visible the other thinks its visible

[raw zephyr]

all monitors that will come out this year will support uhbr20, also the 50 series will be the first gpus to allow that; i'd wait a couple of months and get this

but dsc is nothing bad imo

[ashen spindle]

technically there are pro versions of the rdna3 cards that have one uhbr20 slot already

[whole axle]

I was just under the impression that the quality of image was “worse” and the smoothness wasn’t as good. I get it now though! Makes sense the bandwidth is still pretty huge

[whole axle]

Yeah I’ll probably wait for the Msi one. Looks the most interesting of the bunch unless I’m missing something

[raw zephyr]

that's correct, although as mentioned by Hopperbus, limited to 1m passive cable length, which is just too short

[ashen spindle]

yee needs the new spec for longer cables to really be useable

[distant tapir]

Wasn't a 3 meter passive cable shown at CES?

[ashen spindle]

ces showed the 2.1b spec that allows for 3m cables of uhbr20

its DP80LL for low loss and the 80 because its the full 80 bandwith, much better than uhbr20 when that isnt 20 but 80gbps lmao

[fair gull]

isnt it active?

[distant tapir]

Idk I just read the headline

[ashen spindle]

yes they are active cables

they are 3x the length of the passive ones is what headlines probably said

[compact relic]

i have that exact monitor and id say it's worth

[quaint dew]

i wont use anything 1440p avove 240hz until it's dp2.1 UHBR20 and so is my gpu

just cause of alt tab bug

[steady sail]

[magic minnow]

The top of the line nvidia card should have a waifu as well

https://videocardz.com/pixel/maxsun-and-yeston-unveil-new-waifu-radeon-rx-9070-and-geforce-rtx-50-gpus

[balmy vector]

Make a jeff the shark card and then we can talk

[magic minnow]

Ah dashi beat me to it

[raw zephyr]

isn't that what fullscreen optimization in windows should help with?

game thinks you run in fullscreen exclusive, but behind the scenes it runs in highly optimized fullscreen borderless; also this shouldn't be an issue at all with dx12 games, since it was designed with this new flip model in mind

i haven't had any issues with alt-tab using the pg27aqdp and the pg27aqn, but i also got an amd gpu

[ashen spindle]

yes, dont remember if it needs to be win11 or if 10 also has everything needed for that but exclusive fullscreen isnt really needed anymore

[steady sail]

Most of the time i still play in borderless fullscreen

[ashen spindle]

yeah and thats all you need these days

[raw zephyr]

this is also a really nice feature https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/optimizations-for-windowed-games-in-windows-11-3f006843-2c7e-4ed0-9a5e-f9389e535952

[ashen spindle]

yup with that you dont need exclusive fullscreen for VRR or anything

[reef patrol]

(thank god - dedicated fullscreen is a pest)

[raw zephyr]

and then there's linux, where fullscreen is a lie

[ashen spindle]

always knew linux isnt to be trusted smh

[nimble arch]

Is The Linux in the room with us right now?

[balmy vector]

Arch in the corner, staring menacingly

[whole axle]

think steamOS will come to pcs

[reef patrol]

Y...yes?

[raw zephyr]

with how intrusive the anti cheats are these days and a lot of developers being anti linux, it will take a couple of years at best

[whole axle]

is it going to be better than windows for gaming LMAO

[ashen spindle]

define better

more performance? no probably the same

[whole axle]

ah ok

[distant tapir]

Nah it's PS5 exclusive

[whole axle]

w

[raw zephyr]

maybe marginally better if you run your games in gamescope from the tty, like steamos

[steady sail]

U mean PS 6 Pro

[whole axle]

also idk if anyone knows but for reflex 2

it seems like cheating no?

warping thew camera

[raw zephyr]

no, if i understood it correctly, it's basically what VR games have been doing to avoid motion sickness on low frame rates, but on a screen

[whole axle]

hmm okay gotcha

[raw zephyr]

3kliksphilip had a nice video covering this topic from a couple of years ago https://youtu.be/f8piCZz0p-Y

[ashen spindle]

mhh its similar but not quite the same

but for understanding whats happening close enough I guess

[raw zephyr]

yep, it's without the 🌠 AI 🌠 stuff

[ashen spindle]

also its a game feature, wont really be a cheat if the games add it themself lol

[raw zephyr]

as much as i hate the current frame gen gen (?) i really think dlss 4 is going to be good

[ashen spindle]

nah its going to be even worse

the 3x/4x frame gen

[lyric hatch]

well the improvements in DLSS 4 aren't just to frame gen

[ashen spindle]

I could see the artifacts in the youtube stream of the presentation they showed

yeah but he specifically talked about frame gen

[lyric hatch]

well I'm just saying you can hate frame gen and still like DLSS 4

im sure many will

[raw zephyr]

definitely, but as Hopper said, it's the stuff around like reflex 2 we talked about that will make this bearable

[ashen spindle]

well the naming makes it tricky, I like the changes that arent making even mroe frames

yeah but why have something that has to be bearable, just use these things on 0 generated frames and you dont offset latency increases, you just lower it even more

[lyric hatch]

naming's never been a strong suit for any of these companies unfortunately

[ashen spindle]

oh no its done on purpose

like they can show how you went from 20 to 200fps and most people are associating more fps with a better experience

but if the frame time is the same, you dont get that better feeling so its just misleading

[lyric hatch]

oh yeah I mean they did the same thing for 4000 series

[ashen spindle]

queue shill foundry talking about free performance

[lyric hatch]

4x the frames on paper that's all you need to know don't read into it further

[sudden imp]

I can’t wait for gamers nexus tear down of the 5090 founders

So curious to see how that was designed thermally because some of the 5080s aren’t that large if they’re just using base Nvidia spec

[digital cliff]

I for one sold all but one set of clothes I own, just gonna clothe-generate the rest

[sudden imp]

The more you buy the more you save

[cursive summit]

LTT too lol

In DLSS4 promotional videos you can very clearly see insane artifacting and ghosting

[steady sail]

Lil cutie

[cursive summit]

I like DLSS2, I like DLSS3, DLSS4 is just for.. for people that just do not care about image quality and only want raw performance

[steady sail]

I mean this is how they managed to make the smol 5090

[cursive summit]

I want to see thermal testing but that cooler looks amazing

The fact it's 2 slot and can cool 575W that's just.. water cooling levels of cool

[reef patrol]

Those are some good fins, fans and vapour chambers for sure.

[balmy vector]

Tasty

[ashen spindle]

ltt isnt that big of a shill, they are at CES and use the live coverage, DF has hands on hardware they get from nvidia because they slurp up their marketing for them

[balmy vector]

The linus video was silly

[cursive summit]

I mean, what I'm talking about is this one #🔌│tech message

[cedar fog]

I still think dlss 4 is gonna be better

hard to tell actually quality when that video was like not even screen capped

[cursive summit]

You can CLEARLY SEE the few times he showcases the game it's artifacting a mofo

[ashen spindle]

if you can see quality issue even when the video is not screen capped and has youtube compression, I think its quite obvious how much you would see it when using it

[cedar fog]

mm I still rather wait for more in depth reviews

especially since dlss 4 4x'ing fake frames at 4k with ray tracing is like worst case scenario

especially at native 20 fps

[ashen spindle]

despite it being more pixels, 4k makes it better because you have more accurate base frames to use, so its not worst case at all

its more vram overhead but much better results

[cedar fog]

thats true

but won't ghosting be worse

when they have to interpolate so many in-between frames

I'm still not a fan of the direction Nvidia went tho

I don't like upscaling at the cost of my latency

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-3dmark-leak-3-0-ghz-330w-tbp-faster-than-rtx-4080-super-in-timespy-and-4070-ti-in-speed-way

Damn is this card really going to be far better than we thought

[wispy delta]

What 5000 series card would actually be worth to purchase?

[cedar fog]

none of them so far

imo

[cursive summit]

AMD could shock the world with an insane card if the 9070XT is priced well

[wispy delta]

Why so?

[lyric hatch]

spoiler alert: they won't in classic AMD fashion

[cursive summit]

They are promising competitive pricing this time around lol, from the Q&A at least, and they have Intel now to somewhat compete with

[ashen spindle]

because we know nothing of the performance so far

[cedar fog]

hard to tell if they're worthwhile yet

[wispy delta]

True was this the same thought process when the 4000 series were dropping?

[ashen spindle]

sort of? they still showed a bit more there

[cedar fog]

also their vram choices seems weird

[ashen spindle]

but this time its literally only 4x frame gen vs 2x frame gen that they showed us

which means nothing

[cedar fog]

they've also only been showing like really one sided misleading shit

look at this 4090 vs this 5070 with 4x frames on

only displaying fps and nothing else

[ashen spindle]

the 5070 is the same as the 4090

in Ai workloads

[wispy delta]

Yeah I quiet can’t see how that’s possible

But my eyes are on the 5080

And 5090 isn’t worth 2k imo

[cedar fog]

currently the amd card seems more appealing to me

[lyric hatch]

where have I seen this before

[cedar fog]

it's probably a better value

[analog sinew]

[wispy delta]

Was it 2x-4x faster after performance tests?

[analog sinew]

ofc not

[cursive summit]

No, no it was not

[ashen spindle]

no not even close

[wispy delta]

Percentage compared?

[wheat yacht]

Ay yo do we know if the ROG and other 3rd party members are gonna drop their cards the same day as the FE or nah

[ashen spindle]

like 30% in gaming on average faster

[wheat yacht]

Cause everywhere I see online talks about this Jan 30th date

[cursive summit]

Nvidia always cherry picks the most insane results for their marketing

[wispy delta]

Hmmmm not bad I guess but def not 2x-4x

[ashen spindle]

yes FE and AiB cards release the same time

[wheat yacht]

Oh shit fr?

[analog sinew]

i hope I can get something 🙏

[wispy delta]

What’s FE and AiB stand for ?

[cursive summit]

FE is Nvidia's own cards they sell to you

[wheat yacht]

Founders edition

[ashen spindle]

founders edition aka made by nvidia, AiB is Add in Boardpartner so Asus/evga/msi etc.

[cursive summit]

AiB is MSI, Gigabyte, etc, repackagers

[wheat yacht]

Everywhere I look the AiB cards are fucking MASSIVE

[cursive summit]

With how Nvidia is going though they really are trying to bankrupt their board partners lol

[wispy delta]

AIB seemed to be more

In price

[ashen spindle]

usually pricier for better cooling

[wheat yacht]

I wonder how big the difference will be compared to msrp

[ashen spindle]

or less noise, or watercooling options etc.

[wheat yacht]

Especially for the good ones like ROG strix

[cursive summit]

With how much R&D Nvidia seems to be doing in the cooling department, I bet they'll just do it themselves and stop providing cards to AiBs

[wispy delta]

I’m tryna go for a FE for msrp price

[wheat yacht]

Also is it Jan 20th or 30th

[wispy delta]

30th

[wheat yacht]

Thank you

[lyric hatch]

looking at my options here in NZ, yes very slim card

[wheat yacht]

Kinda crazy tho that those AiB cards turned tiny cards into hulking monsters

I don’t think they can fit in my case 💀

[wispy delta]

Huge cooling fans on em

[lyric hatch]

looks like Asus has a 2.5 slot that's probably my best bet

[rough osprey]

5090 looks questionable

[vagrant pagoda]

Idk why aibs stick to the same old fin stack

[rough osprey]

how they cooling all that

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean it's not that crazy

[rough osprey]

is the chip just so big that its easier

[vagrant pagoda]

600 wasn't crazy for overcooked cards that log ago

[rough osprey]

those werent 2 slot tho

[vagrant pagoda]

5090 isn't 2 slots it's slightly over isn't it?

My 290x ran 500w+ for years

1080tis do 450 to 500

The new cards basically run the limit of what they can clock all the time

[magic minnow]

Same I really want that founders 5090

[magic minnow]

It says 2 slot

4090 was a 3 slot though

[vagrant pagoda]

Is it confirmed to only be 2? I thought it was slightly over

[magic minnow]

Just says 2 slots on the nvidia website

[vagrant pagoda]

Exactly

It's not like Nvidia has ever lied or stretched a spec on launch.

[magic minnow]

2 slots is 2 slots I’m getting it for that form factor

[ashen spindle]

It’s in their small form factor list that they pushed with the SFF initiative so it should be accurate

[magic minnow]

Measurements for 2 slot gpu

[sudden imp]

I really think this generation Nvidia is competing with their board partners way to much no wonder EVGA didn’t find gpu business to be sustainable

[lyric hatch]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/small-form-factor-sff-ready/

[sudden imp]

The founders alone seem better value than the majority of cards at CES

[lyric hatch]

a lot of 5000 series AIB cards on the list too

[sudden imp]

Makes me wonder if the big ass coolers were always overkill

[lyric hatch]

but that's the only 5090

[sudden imp]

Or Blackwell is more power effienct

[magic minnow]

I hope the temps aren’t bad

[sudden imp]

A lot of sff folks will be going for a founders card

[vagrant pagoda]

The issue is aib get months while Nvidia gets years to design.

[sudden imp]

I guess that does lead to the solution of attaching more fans and larger coolers to compensate

[vagrant pagoda]

If aib held off on releasing a higend cooler for a few months it would sell a fraction

[cursive summit]

https://x.com/9550pro/status/1877307323837812957

HXL (@9550pro) on X

9070XT Price rumor

AMD Reference card: 479 dollar
AIB: ~549 dollar

https://t.co/OrcKpU3NRc

Twitter · Jan 9, 2025, 10:51 AM

[vagrant pagoda]

Also Nvidia is massive and can just throw in cooler design to the billions they spend on a GPU architecture

[cursive summit]

If this comes true that pricing for that performance is insanity

RX 5700 was incredible, RDNA going out with a value bang would be fitting

[vagrant pagoda]

Not even Asus can swing the same budget as Nvidia for a cooler

AMD looking to compete with Intel not Nvidia

[sudden imp]

Nvidia needs more developers to adopt their cards in order to be able to truly compete

Which means lower end card market share

[vagrant pagoda]

Huh

Nvidia is king of market share

[sudden imp]

There was a whole article about it awhile back

[eternal mist]

5070ti or 5080?

[vagrant pagoda]

AMD and Intel are fighting for Penny's while Nvidia rakes in dollars

[vagrant pagoda]

Last steam survey was 75% nvidia

Amd and Intel's top GPUs were both integrated graphics from handhelds lol

[lyric hatch]

yeah there's about 30 nvidia cards before you get to the first AMD card in that survey

[vagrant pagoda]

Nvidia has a 80% share if you remove handhelds

[sudden imp]

Hence why AMD is going for The low end as people who are buying the best of the best will go always go Nvidia

[vagrant pagoda]

Nvidia has the middle and low

[sudden imp]

AMD wants developers so they’re targeting mid to low range

[lyric hatch]

they're going for the low because that's all they are capable of right now

[vagrant pagoda]

1650 is the 4th most popular GPU lol

[sudden imp]

That aswell

[lyric hatch]

and "low" is more like upper-mid range

[vagrant pagoda]

5% market share of just the 1650. Intel was only 15% total with igpus

[sudden imp]

1650 is just very popular

Was used in many pre builts

It was rather cheap at the time aswell so it sold well

[vagrant pagoda]

The 1050ti is 2.5 and the 1060 is 3.5%

Those 3 are more than intels total dgpu share

[reef patrol]

Meanwhile 1 1/2 slot 1660TI

[vagrant pagoda]

What's wild is the 6600 and 580 are basically tied for ands top GPUs

But Nvidia 3000 and 4000 dominate.

[vagrant pagoda]

Also the 4090 having a larger share than any single amd or Intel GPU is wild.

[lyric hatch]

the die size of the 9070 is looking pretty large estimates put it as slightly bigger then AD103

if that's the case I highly doubt those $500 figures

[gusty kiln]

600 at least, performs in-between 5070/5070ti

[lyric hatch]

From AMDs own slides it looks more in line with the 4070 ti and the 7900 xt

[sudden imp]

AMD may take a loss on it if they’re really trying to get people to adopt Radeon

But I do doubt that severely so your probably right

[magic minnow]

Only evil people use AMD gpus

[halcyon moss]

Am I evil?
Yes I am

[digital cliff]

wait they aren't even gonna top their own last-gen offers?

then what's the point of making new products

[gusty kiln]

Fsr4

[vagrant pagoda]

you know how little the market share is for halos

[halcyon moss]

Cheaper

[gusty kiln]

There are dual mode miniled monitors at ces

I hope they keep refining this product category

[ashen spindle]

The 1060 was the most sold gpu by far for ages and it wasn’t close to previous years flagship lol

[vagrant pagoda]

1080/4k isnt that fancy

i wonder how bad the ghosting is

[gusty kiln]

Asus made one with pretty good response times (for an lcd)

But not miniled

https://youtu.be/rVYVDODQmQ8?si=HyA0RctsLOSZPN2n

[wispy delta]

Not oled 😦

[umbral heron]

Of course

https://tenor.com/view/doofenshmirtz-doofenshmirtz-dance-doof-phineas-and-ferb-gif-7642506651449352767

[cursive summit]

Good, shit panel tech

[cursive summit]

Fast IPS huh? I still don't understand if that and NanoIPS are the same thing

Cause NanoIPS actually slaps cheeks

[tribal dirge]

OLED displays are so nice

Once you try an OLED you cannot go back

[nimble arch]

Based and real comment

[unkempt lake]

[vagrant pagoda]

until you burnin one or it just wears out

nanoips is a treatment to increase color gaumt rigght?

[upper imp]

I might be kind of late to this and maybe some people already discussed this: https://fixupx.com/scaling01/status/1876705772240798079

I honestly think that should not just come down to the performance but also the size of the card...

Isn't the 4090 like a 3 slot or whatever card and the 5070 maybe 2 slot at most?

[analog sinew]

what does that matter

[rough patrol]

i mean you can do some rough napkin math based on what they said about the new frame gen

if it does 4x frame rate, i assume it injects 3 generated frames between each "real" frame

since 40 series only injects one

[analog sinew]

yes its just fake frames and cherrypicked results

[upper imp]

100%!

[rough patrol]

in 4 4090 frames you get 2 real 4090 frames and 1 5070 frame

so you can assume about half

[upper imp]

Agreed. I am just saying the 5070 is also a way smaller card...

[rough patrol]

of course this is not accounting for any other performance improvements or things they changed

[analog sinew]

i dont even mind the ai stuff that much its just a dumb and dishonest claim

[rough patrol]

but yeah just based on super rough napkin math i came up with in the shower a few days ago this is the conclusion i came to

[upper imp]

Saying it is equal is marketing bullocks! Yes. But I think if you measure it in volume which is a weird thing to say and maybe power draw I can see it a bit...

[rough patrol]

5070 had approx half the raster performance of 4090

[ashen spindle]

Card size doesn’t matter aside for like small form factor pcs

[analog sinew]

thats an entirely different metric then

fps/cm^3 or what

makes no sense

[upper imp]

Some stuff like that ^^

[analog sinew]

you should work at nvidia

[upper imp]

ahhahaha

I mean I was trying to make sense of their marketing bullocks haha... I swear. The phrase "THAT IS 2x the performance per cm cubed than a 4090 LUL"

WTF

Box of lies

I was just thinking because I saw the Optimum video on the 5090 and how compact they actually made that thing... Maybe that would be a thing if you measure it literally in fps/ cm^3 it is useless way to think about it ngl

[reef patrol]

It'll be interesting to see what the waterblock designs will be like.

[ashen spindle]

It’s nothing new. They said the 4080 had 3-4 times the performance of a 3090 and that was the same marketing bullshit

[upper imp]

And I don't even think the 5000 is more power efficient is it?

[ashen spindle]

We don’t know

We know almost nothing about the 50 series from that presentation

[analog sinew]

they just put some bs on those slides

[wispy delta]

Fax I wonder if I should wait till next Black Friday to get one

[upper imp]

I was hoping but the rumours already had me disappointed months before for 24gb on the 5080...

But nah

[wispy delta]

I’m looking into getting the 5080 tbh

3080 ain’t doing it for me anymore😭😭☠️☠️

[upper imp]

Are there any benchmarks from some freaking lab it feels like ages since I last witnessed a Nvidia launch LUL

[raw zephyr]

i love that you can come here at any time of the day and people will talk about the 50 series

[upper imp]

5070 TI is my kinda vibe as well

[upper imp]

I mean... I almost feel bad now...

I just wanted to yap...

[wispy delta]

Brainstorming

[cursive summit]

The cards are launching January 22nd innit? Just wait a bit lol

[upper imp]

That too

[wispy delta]

Jan 30th****

[raw zephyr]

wasn't it the 30th?

[cursive summit]

Something was happening on 22nd, I don't remember

[raw zephyr]

hopefully we get real benchmarks soon

[upper imp]

I would love to see if 1080p 540hz is possible with a 5080 in CS2...

On my shitty old CPU probably not LUL

[cursive summit]

1080p540Hz is already possible with weaker cards though?

[upper imp]

Probably

I wonder about the 1% lows

[unkempt lake]

22 is the preorders/reviews

25 is launch

[cursive summit]

Ah that must have been why I remember the date, reviews

[wispy delta]

It’s the 30th

[upper imp]

Because the game is so bugged that the ragdolls give me -30% FPS when they fly across the map recently LUL

[unkempt lake]

I swear i saw the 22

[upper imp]

the 1% lows since 2025 update are like x10 worse

In cs2

[cursive summit]

Well they seem to be doing the launch on 30th

22nd is maybe reviews then

[upper imp]

The game needs to suddenly render a freaking ragdoll being shot into the stratusphere

Sorry for butchering that word

[wispy delta]

lol

[ashen spindle]

Reviews will be a day before just like always

[reef patrol]

RIP reviewers

[vagrant pagoda]

more fps isnt going to make you better

[upper imp]

I wonder what happened to the freaking 1% lows with one update in CS2... FOR every player...

[upper imp]

😭

I mean...

A Wooting 80HE isn't going to fix my shitty aim

[ashen spindle]

? If it was earlier they would have even less time

[upper imp]

But it helps me counterstrafe I hope I guess I believe

Or do the d0nk slides better

[reef patrol]

What I mean is that reviewers typically get 2-3 days - often over a weekend to do ALL of the testing, writing, and video/editing for GPU reviews.

[ashen spindle]

Oh yeah

[reef patrol]

It was a real fucking nightmare back when I worked in the industry. It would burn out people hard to basically have to do an all-weekender, and pray that there were no weird driver issues, cause getting hold of an nVidia/AMD rep for tech support and "better drivers" could take hours.

Hours you didn't have, cause benchmarks take time to do over and over.

[ashen spindle]

Yup still the same

[upper imp]

https://tenor.com/view/work-screw-it-vacation-so-done-finished-gif-7733926

I feel that...

What were your new year resolutions Mansen?

Because you are still rockign that name...

I am not ping I am not ping I am not going to ping...

[reef patrol]

No luxury purchases - And I've already broken that twice over.

[vagrant pagoda]

what good is money if not buy?

[rough patrol]

new years resolutions are meant to be broken

[reef patrol]

I'll tell you once I have more money TO spend 😄

[upper imp]

New Years Resolutions are not even meant to be made

[rough patrol]

thats why my new years resolution is to be a lazy sack of shit

[vagrant pagoda]

XD

[rough patrol]

[vagrant pagoda]

gotta be different than normal to be a resolution

[rough patrol]

^

[upper imp]

https://fixupx.com/ZizTheOfficial/status/1874002045176602836 <- Roast me for that one...

[rough patrol]

these all seem feasible

[upper imp]

Sorry that is kinda not really tech but I thought the conversation shifted for a second

[rough patrol]

i need to buy new gpu

i pray the new gpus are good and i can actually get one

[upper imp]

Praying for my dad to pay me back some of that BTC I gave him in 2022...

I need a new PC

[rough patrol]

or they are bad but people dont care and offload their 40 series gpus for cheap on the used market

and i can get one for cheap

[vagrant pagoda]

i doubt either of you need any tech

want =/= need

[upper imp]

8 year old 🥒 doesn't do it anymore

[rough patrol]

i need to upgrade my 2070 to play monster hunter wilds good

it has to be done

i will die without monster hunter (real and proven fact)

[upper imp]

... Try running at 130 FPS (maybe) in CS2 in 1350x1080 and feel my pain of the 1080 and i7 6700k...

Then talk to me again about my wants and needs ❤️

[vagrant pagoda]

im runnng a pair of 1080tis driving 5 4k screens XD

[rough patrol]

i love that that is the big problem when just a few years ago there was people debating whether 120hz even does anything for gaming

shit really has gone all the way in the other direction huh

[upper imp]

It never was that for me...

Even my 144hz then 165hz I felt...

Like the diff is definitely there... 240 -> 360 hz is certainly very different deminishing returns...

[wispy delta]

I’m running 280hz 1440p monitor with 3080

[upper imp]

But I am no where near those FPS with this setup

[upper imp]

That you for telling me that and now making me feel all jelly...

I was hoping I could win a 3080...

[wispy delta]

Bruh 3080 is ass now compared to what’s out I want a new one

[upper imp]

Allstar GG challenge

[upper imp]

better than a 1080 bruh

😭

[upper imp]

Games of you atm?

[vagrant pagoda]

idk everything?

[upper imp]

CS2 at what res?

FPS?

[vagrant pagoda]

its 3840x10800

and idk i dont look at fps

i play games not benchmarks

newer games i drop render res but everything plays fine

[analog sinew]

my 9800x3d was shipped lol

[tribal dirge]

Hasn't been an issue on any of my OLED devices.

[vagrant pagoda]

was on 2 of mine hence no more oled

how long have you used them as a main display?

[wispy delta]

How much?

[ashen spindle]

I'm using my aliendware qdoled since that first came out, no burn in

[vagrant pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-one-billion-dollars-haha-money-gif-16679435

[wispy delta]

[analog sinew]

569€

[ashen spindle]

nice

[analog sinew]

took almost a month to ship

[wispy delta]

What’s that?in US

[upper imp]

Not much more

Maybe 574

I didn't do the math

[ashen spindle]

this includes 20% sales tax keep in mind

so I was a bit off lmfao

[analog sinew]

how many is it

[ashen spindle]

13k

[analog sinew]

wowza

that thing be flying off the shelves

[ashen spindle]

and all but franky liked it xD

[analog sinew]

we found cpuuserbemchmark

[upper imp]

I hope they do keep the stocks up

[ashen spindle]

oh they will, cpus are much easier to keep stock up than gpus haha

[cursive summit]

Videocardz made an article out of the HU video https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-showcases-fsr4-on-radeon-rx-9070-series-at-ces-2025-reduced-artifacts-ghosting-and-shimmering

I bet videocardz website traffic is the highest it's been the past year

But yeah FSR4 is really good from what I'm seeing

[magic minnow]

Damn maybe I should just pick this up for my younger brother and keep using the 7950x3d

[cursive summit]

AMD has kinda always been that way, Nvidia innovates, AMD catches up with better solutions

[magic minnow]

Oh wait I thought it was the 7800 for some reason

[marsh glade]

What'd you get?

[magic minnow]

Golden duck

I’m calling it

[reef patrol]

Technically nothing yet. But I've committed to the 5080 when my 3080 dies (which likely will happen before the end of the year), and my first 3D printer, so I can get some projects finished finally.

[marsh glade]

Oh that explains the posts in slack

Neat 😄

[reef patrol]

[unkempt lake]

Are plushies a luxury

[cursive summit]

No they are a necessity

[unkempt lake]

exactly

they're my friends

[wispy delta]

7800X3D is goated

[fair gull]

the main question still is if itll be new gpus obly as announced since tgere was some backpadeling from what i heard

[ashen spindle]

it will be on rdna4 only at first

[fair gull]

isnt the 9800x3d better?

[ashen spindle]

most likely it could run on rdna3 just too slow on the architecture so it wouldn't actually increase frames much

[cursive summit]

If RDNA4 is actually incredible, what will UDNA1 be like?

Not much different or a lot faster at productivity with the Pro stuff included?

[ashen spindle]

nobody knows, too far away

[cursive summit]

Quin with the 9070XT being what, 330W the rumour is now? But less processing cores than the 7900GRE, do you think AMD is running into power issues and that's why they aren't scaling them up?

Their shader cores seem a lot more powerful than Nvidias CUDA one for one, for what that matters, but they also seem to sip power

[ashen spindle]

we have no clue about power

vbios limits doesnt mean thats what they run at

[magic minnow]

still thinking about the 9950x3d

[wispy delta]

Yes but 2x more in price😵‍💫

[ashen spindle]

its the same msrp

449 vs 479 I guess

[tribal dirge]

3D printing eh?

Also the 5080 is very tempting

But the 5090 is nice cauz of the 32 gigs of video memory.

[analog sinew]

yeah but the price...

[reef patrol]

Need a bracket/frame for this as a starter. Project that got shelved just pre COVID.

[tribal dirge]

Ah

[halcyon moss]

No hackerspace nearby?

[tribal dirge]

3D printing is nice

I have a few 3D printers

X1C being my most used one

[bright briar]

tech

[reef patrol]

I'm sure there is. But I wanted to try it out myself, instead of relying on others.

[analog sinew]

eww people!

[reef patrol]

Travelling quickly adds up.

[tribal dirge]

It does lmao

I also built my own 3D printer lol

[halcyon moss]

Copenhagen is tiny, can't be more than 30m by bike

[reef patrol]

Learn how to bike, buy bike, don't get hit by cars. Check.

[halcyon moss]

Wtf, a Dane that doesn't know how to bike? And isn't Copenhagen the best cycling city in the world? (dutchies know it isn't)

[reef patrol]

I didn't grow up in Copenhagen, but I've always lived downtown, where walking or a quick bus is easier than a bike and finding parking (and not having it stolen)

Anyway. Will probably get a Bambu.

[tribal dirge]

Yeah! They're great printers!

[reef patrol]

Just the basic kit for now, fancy things like multi colour and other nozzles is something the missus can pay for, if she wants me to do all manner of stuff for the apartment

[tribal dirge]

Lolz

[unkempt lake]

Who doesn't learn to bike as a kid

Your parenrs failed you xD

[tribal dirge]

I have this thing, pretty amazing printer

Got it like a year and a half ago, still going strong!

[reef patrol]

Like I said. Having one was generally more of a negative.

[leaden kiln]

I love my A1 mini, just works really well with no effort
My friend bought an ender on someone else's recommendation and has had nothing but trouble 🥲

[tribal dirge]

Bambu printers are as close to plug and play 3D printers can get.

[reef patrol]

Ooh. Bambu are on sale on their website. Lucky timing.

[halcyon moss]

Or is it a for ever sale

[leaden kiln]

majority of the times I've browsed their website there's been a sale, but like once there wasn't one
I think they have a lot of sales but not 100% of the time

[reef patrol]

Either way. Appears cheaper than other sites.

[cursive summit]

And here we go

We have an EAN code for Nintendo Switch 2 https://www.fnac.com/PREREF-CONSOLE-2/a15492052/w-4

Similar EAN to other Nintendo products, doesn't appear on the EU website

[sudden imp]

https://youtu.be/umFxB1S2ze4?si=5Tfokvck96m-tsTA

alot of the stuff shown looks expensive and really overkill. Like that aio is excessive I don’t think people look at their PC case that often to warrant a screen like that. And the BTF stuff doesn’t seem that cool nor do I see much traction towards it.

[analog sinew]

wtf this started ai translated at 2x speed

youtube why

[sudden imp]

Huh??

What is YouTube doing?

[analog sinew]

nonsense

this, apparently

[sudden imp]

LOL

[ashen spindle]

btf is nice just isnt an optional thing so weird to get traction for it

[unkempt lake]

AI

ARTIFICIAL MOUMOULLIGENCE

[analog sinew]

AAAA II UIUI

[ashen spindle]

with 12vo and other overhauls to the systems maybe it gets traction and for now just is a nice proof of concept, but if you had just one or two cables to plug in, or put it all at one spot on the backside etc. that would be nice

[unkempt lake]

Next step spanish videos out of nowhere because no one expects the spanish inquisition @analog sinew

[analog sinew]

yes please

[unkempt lake]

ur welcome

[coarse rampart]

does anyone know what sound settings pros use? mine just feel to loud when im fighting and i cant hear my teammates in Fortnite

[ashen spindle]

preference

[marsh pewter]

theres no way

[coarse rampart]

?

[marsh pewter]

you're asking for pros' sound settings 😭. its all personal preference, it doesnt matter what pro#178 uses. just tweak them until they feel right. sound especially is something that varies heavily from person to person, hardware to hardware.

[analog sinew]

reject individualism

[coarse rampart]

alr thanks

[marsh pewter]

you're right we should all agree upon a standard for every game's settings

[unkempt lake]

moumou approved settings

Plop moumou on keyboard

Whatever settings pop up

Are good

[marsh pewter]

nah pro approved settings

if pros dont endorse it I dun want it

[unkempt lake]

Moumou is a pro gamer

[marsh pewter]

fr?

[unkempt lake]

yes

[marsh pewter]

what does the moumou play

what rank in webfishing

[analog sinew]

#1

[marsh pewter]

😱

waow

[unkempt lake]

#🐱│pets message

Moumou gaming

[marsh pewter]

fire

[balmy vector]

Moumou approved rgb

[oblique solstice]

hey guys, quick question for my tech experts

im getting a 4070 ti super for my bday in a couple of days, and have a 600w psu in my old pc build currently, would i be in trouble if i plugged the card in my system temporarily while i find a new psu, and would a new one even be needed? i dont know much so im just asking

[analog sinew]

whats your cpu?

[oblique solstice]

i7 12th gen K

[analog sinew]

should be fine

[vapid ruin]

300w gpu + 125w cpu + 175w everything else. Mmm, maybe

[oblique solstice]

well the tpd of the 4070tis is like 285 max

i saw, but obv i wont be maxxing it out yet until i get more psu headroom

ik my cpu pulls power like nothing but its an old build

[unkempt lake]

@oblique solstice its fine don't worry about it

Even for the future

[pale sigil]

https://youtu.be/RVQnbJb_vjI

[unkempt lake]

fsr4 go brr

[potent crag]

Is that good budget is 1600€ and I want the 4070super ?

[oblique solstice]

ty bro that means a lot u reassured me

[ashen spindle]

nah you can get better, air cooler for 30€ for example, could get a 7900gre for cheaper at same performance

[potent crag]

Thx but I’m so scared to build it myself because ist the first time for me building a pc

[marsh pewter]

find a good guide and you’ll be alright

[potent crag]

Thx

[ashen spindle]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/p8JtC8 had this one aorund for someone else for 1300

[wild coyote]

What's a good price to sell my RX 6700 XT Sapphire nitro+ gpu?

Give me them recommendations 🔥

[ashen spindle]

look at sold ones on ebay in your region and then you know

[wild coyote]

Ebay doesn't allow finnish people to sell sadly

[ashen spindle]

or whatever site then

[wild coyote]

Someone is selling a powercolor one for 320 that's technically near the main capital

So roughly 380-400 since Sapphire nitro+ do be pretty rare to see

[unkempt lake]

Still gonna give you an idea of the price

You can just convert it to your currency

[unkempt lake]

I think you're overestimating how much that actually matters

It's a 6700xt

No one's gonna care about the AIB

[wild coyote]

People are gonna still offer a lower price regardless

negotiations exists

[unkempt lake]

Or they'll just skip your offer

Because they'll think this guy is delusional

[wild coyote]

Nah, they'll literally give offers for a lower price

[unkempt lake]

Some people don't like negociating

(:

I'd just skip your offer

And go to the next guy

[wild coyote]

Have you ever sold items in finland?

[unkempt lake]

Make it like

20$ more

380 to 400 is a meme

[unkempt lake]

If you know everything then why are you asking people for advice

[wild coyote]

crazyyy, some guy is selling a asus strix 6700xt for 350

[wild coyote]

I asked advice on pricing, not on how to sell 101

[unkempt lake]

Well your pricing is bad :)

[wild coyote]

And people tend to negotiate It's not like I'm gonna put in the listing "non-negotiable"

[distant tapir]

That's also how I do it unless I want to quick sell. People often undercut my stuff by like 1 000 crowns so I just make it more expensive than I originally intended

[wild coyote]

^^

Some guy lowballed my friend's gaming pc listing

He'd be fine with like 100 euro undercut,

[unkempt lake]

I don't like time wasters and especially not people who'll show up to buy it and try to negociate on the spot

[wild coyote]

not 300 💀

[unkempt lake]

You have the money or you don't if not fuck off

[distant tapir]

If I want to sell something for 5 000 I might put it out for 6 000 to 7 000. Hopefully someone tries to haggle by saying "5 500?" because then I'd be getting more than I intended and can even try to get more

[unkempt lake]

I don't have time to waste on bullshit

That's the way i do it

The few times i sold shit

[wild coyote]

Different methods, different culture on selling items

[distant tapir]

I sold my PS5 for more than I bought it for

[wild coyote]

LMAO

POV: patience be like

[distant tapir]

I sold it the day I put it out because it was in high demand

[wild coyote]

[distant tapir]

But yes I got it for MSRP by being patience pilled

Got it, finished Demon's Souls remake and then sold it for profit

[wild coyote]

xd ezz

Oh, and the guy who really low balled my friend's listing complained about the pc not having a windows license, so he offered 350 and wouldn't budge

[gusty kiln]

oh man Unraid 7.0 is out, damn it is worth the risk to upgrade

[wheat yacht]

hey sorry to ask the same question but I wanted to know why are people saying that the FE and AiB cards are coming out the same day on the 30th? I can't find any sources online

[ashen spindle]

because thats how it is

when stuff gets sold its when everyone sells it, wouldnt make sense to limit that

[unkempt lake]

https://overclock3d.net/news/gpu-displays/amd-refuted-leaked-rdna-4-performance-claims-nobody-has-the-final-driver/

[fair gull]

they didnt refute anything though

thats the weirdest argument to pull out

[sudden imp]

I can refute anything all you need to do is claim "nuh uh"

[sudden imp]

https://preview.redd.it/5090-founders-edition-crazy-design-v0-p6gsovgm40ce1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=3ce5dc3172fed5c5d3e91e130ce19e7c797ead15

This is just such a cool design

[mild dome]

I suppose making the board double sided probably increases costs

[trim crane]

in 2 identical pairs of sticks of RAM, but 1 kit is 2x16GB vs one which is 2x48GB, same frequency, timings, and whatnot, would the higher capacity introduce more latency when playing CPU bound games or no

for instance these 2 corsair vengeance LPX sticks paired with a 9800X3D

cmk32gx5m2b6000c30 - 2x16GB DDR5-6000 10ns 30-36-36-76 1.4V
cmk96gx5m2b6000c30 - 2x48GB DDR5-6000 10ns 30-36-36-76 1.4V

[dawn pecan]

i picked up my first pc part

:d

[severe phoenix]

https://x.com/tomwarren/status/1877548975957414084

Tom Warren (@tomwarren) on X

check out Acer’s giant new Nitro Blaze 11 handheld vs. the Steam Deck 🫢 https://t.co/lM3dyibHac

Twitter · Jan 10, 2025, 2:52 AM

[crimson wigeon]

And yet they could not fit touchpads

[analog sinew]

thats beeg

[halcyon moss]

TouchPads are crucial imho

[astral haven]

P much all the boards have been double-sided forever

[craggy aspen]

Why are there always these comically large display borders on these

[halcyon moss]

It's part of the display I guess.. It's probably also a cost thing

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-says-intels-horrible-product-is-causing-ryzen-9-9800x3d-shortages

Hahahahaha we have come to the point where AMD is cocky

Who would have thought this day would come, it's been what 2 decades of Intel dominance?

[lyric hatch]

Must be time for them to up their prices more

[analog sinew]

if Intel can use the efficiency gains of the 280 series and make actual perf gains next gen they could look decent

[quaint dew]

not sure about latency but because theyre dual rank they wont be able to OC as much

still should be fine to expo to 5800-6000mhz

if there is a latency diff imo the increased capacity is well worth whatever it may be

[umbral heron]

2 decades of resting on their laurels, while AMD was fumbling around with Bulldozer, Intel did nothing, but driving prices higher, keeping most of people on <4 cores for a long time. When AMD came out with Ryzen, Intel had nothing in their sleeve to respond, they tried with AVX512 - cool, may be useful, but why would they remove it from newer CPUs? P and E-cores? I still think that's a stupid idea, but to each their own. And all they were left with is pumping more power into silicon in a desperate try to still be competitive.

[umbral heron]

It's a flash memory, there's no latency because you have bigger chips
That would be the case for more sticks, but still, difference would be pretty much indistinguishable
Hit it with 96G@6000 and it works

[balmy vector]

Cant wait for me to get my new puter case

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/831345901158137926/1183581622780579910/ezgif.com-video-to-gif.gif

[rough patrol]

What case are you getting

[balmy vector]

That new refresh of the 4000d from corsair

[cursive summit]

@old marlin remember you said "is that a mouse sensor" on the Switch 2 joycons

Switch update 19.0.0 got datamined and there's a lot of entries on mouses, cursor acceleration, etc

Switch 2 will prolly support computer mice I imagine

[old marlin]

Guh

[umbral heron]

As... Switch does for few years now? It does have APIs for mouse input, iirc first game you could play there on KBM was Quake

[balmy vector]

Or it’s a sign theyre making a new chibi robo game after so long….

[cursive summit]

I've never heard of Switch having mouse inputs

[dawn pecan]

did i get lucky or nah

[balmy vector]

I mean the products name isn’t lucky

[reef patrol]

lmao

We cannot comment on whether or not the leaks are accurate - Only that we did not take these photos

[bold coyote]

I feel like stuff like happens with every new console and stuff like that

[reef patrol]

I just find the implication amusing.

[balmy vector]

We didnt take these pictures….. but if we were to, heres how…

[umbral heron]

If it's going to be called Switch 2 and not SwiiUtch then I'm going to be sorely disappointed

[balmy vector]

Name it close to the wii u to free scott the woz from his prison

[magic minnow]

It’s been getting stocked like crazy

[dawn pecan]

it was from some indian dude i js bought one from amazon

and cancelled it

he had 30% review

amazon one comes in march 21st

il be trying to get one that will arrive in january but ill js keep that there js incase

[magic minnow]

Yeah might be a little tough to find one for January

[dawn pecan]

crying

i mean if i do get my hands on a 5070 ti, i dont think il lrecieve it for one or two months

so i might aswell js stick to this ig

:c

[cursive summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYOj-r_-3mA

Well I'm not buying it lol, that's literally the CPU I have

And if 9070XT is actually 480$ with 4080S+ performance, that's just a no brainer

[digital cliff]

perhaps they finally decided and it's just going to be Nintendo Bottom?

[dawn pecan]

chat

would a cpu downgrade be worth it to get a better gpu?

9800x3d 5070 ti
7800x3d 5080

ik benchmarks arent out but what do yall think

but if i downgrade cpu, id be buying a bundle for the 7800x3d so ill be downgrading ram from cl30 to cl36

[nimble arch]

What resolution and refresh rate is your monitor?

[ashen spindle]

We don’t know because you gave two gpus where we don’t know the performance

But in general you want more cpu the lower your resolution or or if you’re going for high fps like esports games

[reef patrol]

You just know this has become some sort of weird garbage urban myth, and people are out there, digging through literal landfills looking for a harddisk.

[old marlin]

odds are prob better than winning at gambling

[marsh glade]

There's a dude with 175 million in BTC on a hard drive digging through a landfill to find it, and he got sued by environmental protection agencies - he's millions in debt, will probably lose the lawsuit, has no bitcoin, and made a lot of enemies

[reef patrol]

Supposedly 8000 bitcoin in that wallet.

[fair gull]

especially downgrading the gpu for the better cpu lol

[wild coyote]

Tbh, the 50 series seem a bit wacky

It's nice that they made 5070 affordable, but still pretty wacky performance wise,

[reef patrol]

We won't know till it's out.

[wild coyote]

You're relied on DLSS mainly, which is meh 😭

[reef patrol]

DLSS is not performance. It is a crutch.

[wild coyote]

I know

[ashen spindle]

They relied on dlss on the slides, we don’t know how good or bad it is without

Maybe it’s fine, maybe it’s 10%

[wild coyote]

If it's just ok, then maybe acceptable

but the pricing is wild for a small % of better performance

[plucky tapir]

5090 or nothing!

[umbral heron]

MSRP*
What pricing will be we'll see from scalpers and AIBs
It was the same with 30 series

[wispy delta]

Goin for the 5080

[analog sinew]

i will get it dw

[plucky tapir]

I'm guessing the ROG Astral etc class 5090 cards will be 700+ euro above MSRP.

[steady sail]

1000€ above

[nimble arch]

I really wish this story would go away at this point. I appreciate that he's lost a lot of money, assuming his claims are true, but he'd also be fine had a fraction of that effort gone into anything actually productive.

[reef patrol]

Well with the case promptly thrown out of court, it should die down.

[proud maple]

I just got my 80HE but now whenever I press caps lock, it shows a notification in the middle of my screen and it will switch me to my desktop when in games and such or just make it so I have to click again so I lose control of my character in an fps until I click which will also cause me to fire. It’s super frustrating and I don’t know what this setting is as I turned off notifications in windows 11 for toggling keys and this functionality only started when I got my wooting this week.

[reef patrol]

Welcome to owning a Windows PC.

This is not related to the keyboard.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/caps-lock-notification-tabbing-me-out-of/fc207ce9-0d5e-4088-8cba-2c2578edb4e5

Pleeeeenty of threads about it over on the MS forums 😄

It's usually some shitty app that the PC manufacturer snuck in - very common on laptops.

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah, not a standard feature enabled by default

Gotta love preinstalled bloatware

[sturdy raven]

This got to be a terribly made OSD app that takes focus when caps lock is toggled

Wonder is the osd still shows when booted in safe mode?

[umbral heron]

Task Manager > Autostart > Disable everything that you don't know what is
All "essential" services won't be shown up there anyway, and you can check whatever bloatware is on your PC and causes this

[nimble arch]

MSI's 27" 4K 240Hz QD-OLED is launching for $1100 USD MSRP

Roughly what I was expecting then

[reef patrol]

only 27" inches

[nimble arch]

I imagine the ASUS ROG model with the same panel will be a similar price

[steady sail]

[quaint dew]

jesus fuck

[leaden kiln]

hot

I would love that but I'm probably not spending 1100 on a monitor

[quaint dew]

i tried 4k27" recently shit is beautiful

[nimble arch]

I was really interested in the Alienware until they said it was only DP1.4

[leaden kiln]

yeah I also used 27 inch 4k a while in school and its great

[quaint dew]

even most dp2.1 is only uhbr13.5

bullshit man

or uhbr10

i believe even the new asus is only 13.5

[nimble arch]

I could rock 27" 4K again. I used to have an LG 27" 4K60 IPS display around 5-6 years ago. It was a really good IPS panel considering it was only a £350 monitor at the time. Ok no VRR or anything but it did make WoW look really good with that really nice DPI.

[wispy delta]

MSI ewwww

[ashen spindle]

Caring about brands ewwww

[plucky tapir]

I care about brand, if your motherboard for example isn't integrated with Windows Dynamic Lighting I will not even consider you no matter how good your hardware is. There is a lot of brands that are on my no buy list because of software.

[reef patrol]

Windows' RGB system is not great yet. Much easier to just use an open source app for that.

[crimson wigeon]

Yet. The point is it's an open standard for devices to implement so apps don't have to support devices X Y and Z, instead they can just support the lamparrays and gain automagic support for everything following the standard

[reef patrol]

I welcome a future where it works well - I wouldn't avoid products based on lack of support for this however 😄

[fair gull]

i mean you can always shim a VHF driver in there to add lamparray support from windows itself without fw

[ashen spindle]

Okay but that’s still dumb because the same brand can have different levels of compatibility for rgb for example

Like let’s say no msi board has working rgb, doesn’t mean fuck all about what their monitor can or can’t do

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9070-series-to-have-balance-of-power-and-price-similar-to-the-rx-7800-xt-and-rx-7900-gre

[lethal wasp]

are there any 9800X3D owners here who are familar with 1:1 UCLK/FSB setup? I can't get cpuz to display a 1:1 ratio despite the manually setting everything to what should be the correct value(s)

[fair gull]

not saying anything to trust but a nice analysis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwOQWcg-Z_A

[sudden imp]

I wonder if GN will interview the Radeon folks

I really wanna see what they have to say

[vagrant pagoda]

The ai mentions per minute is peak humor.

[proud maple]

It’s a pc I built and only just happened since the new keyboard but maybe it’s using a feature my older kb didn’t. But I’ll check this out thank you! 😊

[reef patrol]

A laptop is a PC.

[ashen spindle]

Cpuz had some issues last I checked, try hwinfo I think that’s has it as well?

If not I’d trust the bios setting over a readout

[proud maple]

Right but you don’t usually build laptops, I guess I should have said desktop pc.

[tribal dirge]

"Personal Computer" does that mean a phone is technically also a "PC"?

Cauz they are computing devices, and they are personal.

[lethal wasp]

@ashen spindle this infinity fabric sync bs never made sense to me 😅 ram timings are one thing but it's getting silly now

EXPO is clearly working, command rate is 1T which is also good

[vagrant pagoda]

It's a reference to the IBM PC, and it's compatible derivatives.

[tribal dirge]

Ah

[ashen spindle]

If you just use expo anyway it’ll set itself correctly so you don’t need to worry about it

[lethal wasp]

yeah I think 1:1 isn't a thing on 9000 series any more

3000:3000:2000 is as good as it gets for my setup

[vagrant pagoda]

It was really only an issue on ddr4 it wasn't even that big of a gain on 7000

With ddr4 it had a large latency improvement and am4 was memory latency bottlenecked massively

They made huge improvements on am5 so it didn't have the same impact

[ashen spindle]

Hwinfo has the actual clocks in the sensor window not this general overview btw

You can read out what uclk,fclk etc are there

[lethal wasp]

I think I have it set up fine, I found an app called zentimings which is 1000x easier to read than AMD's official software

[raw zephyr]

am5, especially the x3d chips don't scale at all with ram

[lethal wasp]

it's quite minimal yeah

[raw zephyr]

raise fclk until regression, don't bother with ram

[lethal wasp]

you have to go to absolutely insane bandwidth to see a couple % above just having a good latency 6000 kit

honestly, the sheer fact I'm even on cl28 puts me in the 0.X%, most reviewers don't even seem aware of it's existance for whatever reason

despite the fact it's only a tiny bit more than the mainstream cl30 kits

[analog sinew]

oh i just remembered my new mobo came with thermistors

i wonder where i should stick them

[raw zephyr]

depends on subtimings as well, this is my really shitty 7800x3d

[ashen spindle]

Wasn’t available on release so no point changing stuff now and that’s just one timing which doesn’t even matter as much as secondary and speed primarily

[raw zephyr]

6400 would just not boot on any tCL

also overclocking ram on am5 is the biggest pain in the ass, 40-60 seconds boot times because of ram training

[lethal wasp]

is messing with core isolation etc still a thing?

[ashen spindle]

Everything still exist but nothing changes much really unless you go to big lengths like 7200 ram with super tight timings and lots of treating etc.

But even that only does a bit on non x3d

[lethal wasp]

I've always been in the school of latency is king and nothing's changed my mind yet tbf

[ashen spindle]

Well yes everything is latency in the end

[lethal wasp]

I wait a few years for mem timings to mature before moving to the next gen each time

I feel like the ultra bandwidth stuff is just epeen bait with almost 0 ROI

[ashen spindle]

I just hope next platform is lpcamm2 and no OC settings and it’s just take it or leave it

[lethal wasp]

I just wish the settings stopped getting more and more esoteric T_T

christ, I felt better about setting up a PC BEFORE EXPO and presets

[ashen spindle]

Nah, it’s better because that means the settings change less

[lethal wasp]

wdym, just punch in the numbers on the box and you're good to go

[ashen spindle]

Put in hardware, enable expo, done

[lethal wasp]

it's also a good way of telling how little someone knows about what they bought

since typing in 4 numbers really isn't a big thing

[ashen spindle]

You can’t get much from OC anymore so just basic setup being stable and getting basically all the performance is ideal

[lethal wasp]

aye, the void between what mobo vendors and cpu manufactures spec is hilarious

NINE THOUSAND MHZ RAM OC+ on the box
official spec: 2600mhz

[ashen spindle]

Well yeah one is saying we can do this, the spec is saying this where we guarantee stability

[analog sinew]

monitors and gpus. 540hz screen, AAA gets 30fps

[lethal wasp]

yeah but the stability is guarenteed at last gens ram speeds 😂 it's a bit fucked up

[sudden imp]

Intel then insults amds gpus and they go to war

[ashen spindle]

I don’t think Intel has anything in the gpu space they can use as a gotcha

[lethal wasp]

honestly if a shooter can't run at least 200fps on low graphics on a high end setup it's dog water to me

I know frametimes are the real metric but they're not displayed often or easy to read in realtime

as always it just comes down to unreal engine ruining everything 💀

UE normalised texture pop in borderlands etc, a problem I'd never seen before because it never needed to be one ffs

[ashen spindle]

Nah it’s not really unreal or any engine at fault

[lethal wasp]

unreal engine normalised huge frame buffers by default as well

atrocious input lag

[ashen spindle]

https://vxtwitter.com/sebaaltonen/status/1876970368126103594

Oh cmon Elon why is embed broken again

There we go

[lethal wasp]

tell Elon he's based or some shit, that'll fix it

[ashen spindle]

I’ll never lie like that

[lethal wasp]

it's the twitter equivilent of tuning it off and on again

jerk off Elon's ego with the most meaningless compliment possible

[ashen spindle]

Anyway point was it’s no one thing or engine at fault, it’s the fact the needed changes like realtime light are exponentially more complicated and costly and frame time isn’t a linear thing

[analog sinew]

where is 240hz "standard" i wanna live in that world

[ashen spindle]

He’s talking for a 2k gpu setup

Since the quoted tweet is about needing ai frames to reach targets

[lethal wasp]

I'm convinced 4K gaming being playable is still 4 years away with how 1440p feels already 💀

or maybe it scales way better because it's all fake resolution now anyways

christ, I miss 1080p native frames already

oh well, I'm just waiting to be able to use my gameboy camera as a webcam anyways (this is not a joke)

https://fb.watch/x123LBx3zu/

[umbral heron]

I have achieved peak perfection

[wispy delta]

2010 build

[cedar fog]

why does that look like one of those realistic minions

[marsh pewter]

no one needs that many monitors

[vagrant pagoda]

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle amd cheap buy

[ashen spindle]

meh, wall street wants it to explode like nvidia which wont happen

[unkempt lake]

https://youtu.be/CYOj-r_-3mA?si=_jD_HV3_PYEEeRtn

[unkempt lake]

FFS

stupid mobile link made me think this wasn't posted already

[cursive summit]

Dashi you are rarely first to anything

[unkempt lake]

If you play at 1440p it'd be decent enough

[cursive summit]

Nah

Team red

[unkempt lake]

I'll say it makes things a bit odd considering that most people with this class of gpu will play at 1080p

[unkempt lake]

Lets just hope the 9700xt is decent

[ashen spindle]

it doesnt matter beacuse we get new gpus this month and this cant even beat last gen at the price

so theres no real point recommending it to anyone for gaming

[unkempt lake]

Someone who only has 250usd

[umbral heron]

But 5070 $549

[unkempt lake]

Tbh

I feel like if you can't afford the extra money

[ashen spindle]

get this if 250 is the hard limit

[unkempt lake]

Perhaps you should focus on getting your life priorities together

And not buy videogames

[unkempt lake]

I always feel a bit odd about the concept of a hard limit

Like

If you're that tight money wise

[ashen spindle]

I wasnt the one who said "Someone who only has 250usd"

[unkempt lake]

Maybe focus on more essential stuff

[umbral heron]

No
Fuck this
Culture shouldn't exist only for those who can afford it

[ashen spindle]

I was merely showing even if thats your limit just get something else and dont deal with all these issues

[unkempt lake]

Not what i'm saying

It's about the concept of short term vs long term

If you already have some money aside for emergency and just make a low wage then yeah makes sense to keep your spending reasonable

But most people will have a hard limit and use money they technically can't afford to spend

Put it on a credit card or pay monthly over x amount of months

A gpu is a luxury not a necessity

[gentle osprey]

https://youtu.be/37yHH3YR7jM?si=ZSjB-rELaIqVASp8
Fully Metal Shroud, First 4-fan design

[umbral heron]

Where it shouldn't be
In the long term we are getting shafted by tech corporations which ask for absurd amounts of money for their tech
Leaving impoverished people without access to many aspects of culture, such as videogames
In the past you could buy random GPU and enjoy new games on it
Nowadays you need high-end GPU just to run some of the new games
This is absolute bullshit, but I guess share price goes up, so all is good in the world

The fact that no one bats an eye that 5090 costs absurd $2000 is enough to see that

[unkempt lake]

I make good money and I would never buy a 5090 xD

[gentle osprey]

I make good money and I would buy multiple 5090s

[unkempt lake]

Or a 4090

The price is ridiculous

[marsh pewter]

but muh AI

[gusty kiln]

wonder if the 5080 would only match a 4090 or beat it

[gentle osprey]

It's pretty cut down, so no

[gusty kiln]

5080 is like half a 5090

[ashen spindle]

hard to say, the faster memory could do a lot, 40 series is quite bandwidth starved

[gentle osprey]

and half a 5090 is not a 4090

[unkempt lake]

Affordable options do matter, I've just seen too many times people buy them when they really shouldn't financially speaking

[gentle osprey]

Yeah the GDDR7 and AI will make up for it

[unkempt lake]

Like if you're that strapped for cash, evaluating your financial situation properly before a purchase is important

[ashen spindle]

nah I'm not counting dlss fuckery just raw specs

[umbral heron]

28FPS in CP2077 4K

[gentle osprey]

Ah then yeah the GDDR7 will help ofc

[unkempt lake]

How much without pathtracing tho 🤔

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9070-series-to-have-balance-of-power-and-price-similar-to-the-rx-7800-xt-and-rx-7900-gre

amd properly confirmed they're working on fsr4 for 7000 series @umbral heron

[ashen spindle]

are you even trying to check at this point xD

its even the same link

alos they are not working on it they are making it for rdna4 first and then see if it can work on 3

[umbral heron]

So probably pre-trained models for RDNA3

[gentle osprey]

yeah it says "might"

[ashen spindle]

it could also be its not even using too much GEMM and rdna3 could handle it, it could just be rdna3 clocks way too low for it to actually increase frames lol

after all you need to keep in mind if you take 10ms to make a fake frame thats not going to do much

[unkempt lake]

https://tenor.com/view/mioumi-smolmioumi-popato-mioumithebun-furry-gif-25591524

i'm having a stroke

[gentle osprey]

Yep

[tribal dirge]

How many more cuda cores does 5090 have over 4090?

[ashen spindle]

dunno, dont care, doesnt mean anything really

[gentle osprey]

"requires substantial comp power"

[ashen spindle]

if you want to know look up a specs table for core counts

but without knowing clocks and uarch design cuda cores dont mean anything

[gentle osprey]

did it for you

you're welcome

[umbral heron]

Also I think a lot of people would be not really happy if they only announced that FSR4 works only on RDNA3 high-ends (if it even works)

[ashen spindle]

well, if it just doesnt work, it doesnt work so we'll have to see

work as in actually increase your fps, no point having it work but it lowers fps xD

[unkempt lake]

But also pissing off people who bought expensive AMD cards wouldn't really be good for them

[tribal dirge]

Ah, so it does have more cuda cores, but lower boost clock.

[unkempt lake]

Especially when the 7900xtx marketting pushed the ai accelerator thing

[inland osprey]

anyway i think that the 5080 will have quite some room for overclock with the new gddr7

[ashen spindle]

cuda cores arent the same between different architechtures

[tribal dirge]

True, they do change

[umbral heron]

Already did in a way
ROCm official support for RDNA3 is laughable for consumer GPUs
And they marketed them already as AI-optimized

[gentle osprey]

Yeah don't take that as like 1:1

[tribal dirge]

But jeez, 575 watts

Hungry boi

[unkempt lake]

Fair

But do you want them even more pissed off

[tribal dirge]

1500 watt PSUs would have to be used to power this thing lmao. Along with competent hardware.

[unkempt lake]

Being told that my old 2080 handled ai upscaling but that my 7900xtx can't do it when they advertised 1st gen ai accelerators would be uh

Annoying

[umbral heron]

At this point as a company I wouldn't care, but focus on new users
RDNA3 buyers are still too fresh, they'll most likely skip new gen anyway

[unkempt lake]

2080 which... gets some of the new dlss upgrades nvidia announced even tho its years old

[unkempt lake]

A bit like when they said b series board wouldn't support new cpus

[gentle osprey]

Reading this again makes me think raw rasterization has hit a bottleneck

and they need Machine Learning to do more

[bright briar]

sue storm|| gyatt ||tech

[unkempt lake]

Was nice that they backtracked on that tho

[bright briar]

@balmy vector post the keycaps when you recieve them in the mail

[balmy vector]

Im waiting to see which ones come back

[umbral heron]

That's a bit different
There were lots of people on old Ryzens on B-series boards, so lots of potential new buyers, especially due to new X3D tech

[ashen spindle]

what? no not even close lol

[unkempt lake]

X3d wasn't a thing back then tho

[gentle osprey]

1000W is fine

[unkempt lake]

The upgrade would have been fairly incremental

Until x3d hit

[gentle osprey]

Every website says you can use 1000W with a 5090

[ashen spindle]

you wont even hit the full powerdraw in gaming just like the 4090

[gentle osprey]

Yeah exactly

[ashen spindle]

and even if you would, the rest of your system is like 200W max

and that would include some heavy cpu that isnt fully loaded if your gpu is

[gentle osprey]

Yeah unless you got a 14900k lol

[rain quiver]

So with 50 series being kinda disappointing and all that, do you guys think i should buy a used 4090 for $1200-$1300 + NO tax or a 5090 for $2000 + tax

[gentle osprey]

You found a used 4090 for $1300?

[rain quiver]

Ppl be panic selling i can find one

But used

[ashen spindle]

that sounds like a great deal lol

in comparison

[rain quiver]

So used 4090

[ashen spindle]

given you arent even guaranteed to get a 5090 for a while, and AiB cards will cost even more

[rain quiver]

Well nah if im getting a 5090 then its a FE on launch day

[ashen spindle]

well, good luck winning against the bots trying to buy it lol

[cedar fog]

did they post benchmarks yet

[rain quiver]

Im not going against bots

Im buying in person

[ashen spindle]

you want to stand over night in front of the store?

[rain quiver]

Yep

[ashen spindle]

did they even confirm they will sell FE cards in retail and not just online?

[rain quiver]

But im disappointed with the 5090 so i dunno if i should go for a used 4090 instead

[ashen spindle]

not till like a day before launch

[rain quiver]

They do it every gen so why not

[ashen spindle]

FE cards? they have been reducing that more and more to online only

[rain quiver]

And im gonna call a few stores a few days beforehand

[ashen spindle]

makes it so they dont need to deal with retailers

[rain quiver]

Bestbuy already confirmed theyre gonna have them

[gentle osprey]

Right lol im sayin

[ashen spindle]

but if you can find someone panic selling their 4090 thats going to be so much better value

[rain quiver]

Should i go over $1300 for the used 4090

Or nah