🔌│tech

[analog sinew]

then check your profile

and maybe adjust it

[digital cliff]

bro has ctrl and fn wrong way around 100%

[analog sinew]

or downloaded some profile lol

[wheat yacht]

Yo monkeys will the 50 series cards continue being super massive cards like the 40 series or is Nvidia kinda moving away from that

[ashen spindle]

They aren’t going to be smaller

Big powerdraw means big coolers

[umbral heron]

Bigger cards, more power, more noise in ray-tracing and more vaseline in render pipeline
But hey! It's got AI

[wheat yacht]

Damn it

[cursive summit]

Tbf I completely missed it, but apparently Inno3D has kinda spoiled a bit what the CES will be about

Improved RT cores, better raytracing, and "new rendering tech", as well as "AI power management"

Whatever that is

Well, sounds cool, can't wait for CES

[cursive summit]

Unless it's water, at which point they are small.. somewhat

[ashen spindle]

The pump and radiator still take space

[umbral heron]

We used to have "AI", it was called "heuristic algorithms" and it worked well enough without needing $2k GPU

[steady sail]

u mean 3k

[cursive summit]

Yeah but the detached nature and typically allocated space for the pump and rads somewhere atop or on the right side of the case is.. a lot cleaner and a lot smaller footprint than huge 3 fan coolers

The only problem being obviously pump failures and leakages

[steady sail]

i hate windows 💀

[cursive summit]

We love you though

[steady sail]

[umbral heron]

[steady sail]

yeah i have a 1gig as well

but windows said NO u dont

as my phone still detects it

[cursive summit]

I was wondering what's wrong with that picture, you got a gigabit and it's 100 only?

Did you forget to install ethernet drivers?

[steady sail]

no

[umbral heron]

So... either Windows fumbled up link negotiation or your rabbit has chewed on cable

[steady sail]

looks like my router is confused

[cursive summit]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000058908/ethernet-products/intel-killer-ethernet-products.html

[steady sail]

[cursive summit]

Seems that it can be caused by a myriad of different issues

From cable damage to misconfiguration to corruption, etc

Good luck, Akko-san, you will need it

[steady sail]

fun fact it just happened wihtout anything xd

[cursive summit]

I guess it can also happen if god says fuck you in particular

[umbral heron]

Just check if other cable will auto-negotiate 1G
Or you may have router which has only 1G on WAN and 100M on LAN ports

[steady sail]

like i said already

[mild dome]

Disable and enable the network adapter
Then try rebooting the pc

[nimble arch]

You could have a damaged ethernet cable

[cursive summit]

Or just a cheap faulty one, who knows

I doubt it's really Windows though

[steady sail]

nah my router is confused

[pale sigil]

[cursive summit]

I can get 2.5, but I fail to see why I need that

1 jiggy is just more than enough you know

[pale sigil]

As for the 100 cap thing, I had the issue but it ended up being the wire.

[umbral heron]

Only 1G at my parents'

[crimson wigeon]

Did you give it the re-boot

[steady sail]

atm i know its the router being confused

as i had this issue a few times already

[pale sigil]

[cursive summit]

What

[umbral heron]

NAS goes zoom

[fair gull]

the fact your link speed isnt nic speed can also be... non windows issues you know

[cursive summit]

How is NAS speed related to your internet speed

[fair gull]

like the ethernet cable missing a pin, the router port only doing 100mbit and what not

[pale sigil]

Never said Internet

[umbral heron]

It's not internet speed, just connection speed

[cursive summit]

You disappoint me, Cal

[pale sigil]

You said you fail to see why it's needed

I showed you why it's useful

[steady sail]

i had 1gig all day but it changed to 100mbps soo Idk xd

[cursive summit]

Yeah I still fail to see what's the point of 2.5 gigabit internet speeds

If your NAS is 2.5 g, 5 or 10g, cool, I see the use for that

Not internet

[pale sigil]

Eh well, I kinda feel the same about gigabit ATM ngl

I finally got it at a reasonable price and I haven't really used it, I was pretty content with 500/500

[umbral heron]

How am I supposed to seed comfortably without my 2000/750?

[nimble arch]

If my ISP upgrade from coaxial to FTTP in my area, I can go from a 1000/100 package to any of 1000/1000, 2000/200 or 2000/2000.

[cursive summit]

What are you seeding?

[fair gull]

id love to get my 4gbit symmetrical finally.... so i can get gbit and my gf as well

[cursive summit]

[fair gull]

and then we got plenty room for wifi devices

[nimble arch]

I was looking at Google Fibre in the US and there's two cities where you can get 20 Gigabit symmetrical

[umbral heron]

Stuff

[cursive summit]

Very good

[nimble arch]

I'd take Virgin Media making 2000/2000 available in my area though. Soon

[cursive summit]

Tbf upload speeds are far less useful that download

[pale sigil]

Since when do virgin media use actual fiber

[cursive summit]

I'd take 50% lower upload than download if it came cheaper

[pale sigil]

And symmetrical speeds

[fair gull]

i wish.... i prob need to upload a few hundred gigs in the next few weeks

[umbral heron]

Sho close

[nimble arch]

Relatively recently. They've been upgrading their coaxial network to FTTP, albeit slowly, and all new builds at this point are FTTP. The symmetrical upload is a £6 per month addon though for the 1000/100 and 2000/200 FTTP package though.

[pale sigil]

Pft pft ofc they have it as an addon

[analog sinew]

what are you uploading

[umbral heron]

Stuff

[nimble arch]

From what I've been reading, the coaxial to FTTP upgrades are meant to be complete by the end of 2028 so it's four more years at worse.

[cursive summit]

Maybe use a seedbox?

[fair gull]

linux isos

[pale sigil]

I ditched them after 11 years once I could get symmetrical fiber to my house.

[fair gull]

that doesnt help at all

i still have the data locally

[pale sigil]

I'm paying £27/month for gigabit rn

[fair gull]

like how does a seedbox get my local PC/Modded console backups

[nimble arch]

Openreach have been building in my area also but haven't got to my street yet. Seems like I won't be able to get their FTTP until Summer 2025 at the earliest.

Plus the top Openreach-based package is currently 1600/120

Although they're meant to be making up to gigabit upload available sometime in 2025.

[pale sigil]

Im surprised if Virgin will rent from openreach

[nimble arch]

No, I'd switch to EE if Openreach actually upgraded my street to FTTP.

Which would be nice as they do great combined pricing for broadband + cellular.

[pale sigil]

I have quite a dislike for virgin media tbh haha

I went through 12 of their routers 🤣

Some even in bridge mode were terrible.

I also had to battle them to fix the line as I was getting major packer loss and ping spikes, eg 40ms to 900ms.

[nimble arch]

I'm stuck on a Hub 4 currently as they won't give me a Hub 5

[pale sigil]

Hub 4 is soooooo bad

[nimble arch]

And I'm too cheap/lazy to use my own router

Actually stuck with WiFi 5 and only WPA2

What's worse is that VM give a Hub 3 to customers on the cheaper tiers.

[pale sigil]

Ah wait no I didn't have a hub 4 I had a 3

[nimble arch]

Meanwhile I could get a 40/10 package from EE and they'd give me a WiFi 6 router with a 2.5 GbE WAN port

[pale sigil]

I went back to my broken hub 3 because of the CPU latency bug.

[nimble arch]

It's staggering how bad the Virgin Media router is in comparison to Sky or EE/BT

[fair gull]

sAME BUT FOR DIFFERENT REASONS LOL

crap

[nimble arch]

The Hub 5/5X at least fixed the CPU issue and performs much better, not much better though. There's also no sign of a WiFi 6E/7 device being offered by Virgin Media in the near future.

[pale sigil]

When I switched I could just plug anything into the teeny modem.

[umbral heron]

I love WPA2
I love how Raspberry still haven't upgraded their Broadcom chipset wi-fi drivers and you can't use WPA3 there

[pale sigil]

Getting my own router was the best thing I ever did when I was on virgin media.

[nimble arch]

ASUS have some decent WiFi 7 routers, I should just get one of those and put my Hub 4 into bridge mode.

[pale sigil]

Make sure they are triple channel though

[analog sinew]

this guy has an onlyfans

[pale sigil]

For that sweet sweet 6hz for the future

[nimble arch]

Although if Openreach would just hurry up with the FTTP build on my street, I could switch to EE and get their WiFi 7 router which is actually pretty well specced. https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2024/09/ee-uk-makes-new-wi-fi-7-smart-hub-pro-broadband-router-available.html

[pale sigil]

Talk talk just use Amazon routers now XD

[nimble arch]

Tri-band and the WAN/LAN ports are all 2.5 GbE

[umbral heron]

Imagine paying for something that is out there for free
And I'm not looking for parasocial relationships, thank you

[pale sigil]

You get 3 of them to make a mesh

[pale sigil]

Hmm which one is that?

[nimble arch]

EE's new WiFi 7 router

[pale sigil]

Damn ok

[nimble arch]

It's still an ISP router but the specs are really resonable.

[pale sigil]

Ye

Who makes the router

[nimble arch]

They've also got WiFi 7 repeaters with dual 2.5 GbE ports but they also work as wired backhaul to the router.

It's a Qualcomm SoC

Qualcomm Bells IPQ9570

[pale sigil]

Aye mine uses a Qualcomm Network Pro 620

So I was kinda curious who made the router because it sounds similar to mine

Sheesh, that isp router has 2gb ram?

[nimble arch]

Yes

There's some quirks to the early firmware, from posts I've read on EE's own forums, but the performance is otherwise very good.

[pale sigil]

And they offer that to me xD

[nimble arch]

It's probably the best ISP router from the major UK ISPs at least.

[pale sigil]

Very expensive though

The monthly cost

[nimble arch]

I think the WiFi 7 hardware is a monthly addon currently

Otherwise they send you an older WiFi 6 router with a 2.5 GbE WAN port and Gigabit LAN ports. Something like that.

[cursive summit]

Ehh https://wccftech.com/nvidia-amd-rushes-ship-out-next-gen-gpus-to-avoid-trump-tariffs/

Nothing interesting here lol, and I defo do NOT see the 5090 costing $1799

32 gigs of GDDR7, bigger than 4090? No shot it's not 2.5k USD

[ashen spindle]

gddr7 doesnt mean it costs more

[cursive summit]

Yes it does?

7 is a lot more expensive

[magic minnow]

They could have gone for the cheapest 7 since 6 is really in demand

[pale sigil]

$1799 for founder ones?

[ashen spindle]

we dont know prices

also 4090 uses 6x not 6

[magic minnow]

I want a 5090 founders so bad

[ashen spindle]

and 6x is lower volume because its just for nvidia

[cursive summit]

Tbf GDDR6 non-X is supposedly extremely cheap

Just for the memory itself

[analog sinew]

i want one in general but idk if I can bring myself to get it

[umbral heron]

Looking at RDNA4 I'm so happy I got XTX

[cursive summit]

XTX will likely stay very relevant even with next gen

Though it will not fall much in price that's for sure

[umbral heron]

8800XT, oop, sorry

9070XT

Looks quite underwhelming

[cursive summit]

It looks fine if pricing is right

It'll have RT somewhat on par with NV however much that matters, I don't give a shit

[digital cliff]

oh did we get information on em

why are they called that to start?

[cursive summit]

And new features which is pog, though RDNA3 will have the same features so, eh

[magic minnow]

You wouldn’t gotta upgrade for a really good while with that 32gb of vram if it actually does have it

[cursive summit]

I don't see the point of ultra high end anyways, 4090 and 5090 are irrelevant cards to most consumers and are basically Titan cards

AMD and Intel should focus on lower and mid end

[umbral heron]

[cursive summit]

If you need a card for work you are prolly buying an RTX A- series anyways or a Radeon Pro

[umbral heron]

So RTX A-series

[cursive summit]

Though didn't Nvidia stop their quadro naming scheme yet again

It's no longer RTX A- it's like RTX number-000 nowadays

[ashen spindle]

without knowing how it performs we dont know why it could be that name

if its like a 5070 then making the names similar is better than making it look like a 80-class loses to 70-class

if it does better it looks better on paper

[cursive summit]

Tbf 9070XT makes perfect sense to me

[umbral heron]

I just want AI bubble to burst

[cursive summit]

They skipped 8000 cause it's the last RDNA gen and they'll prolly just get a new numbering sequence with UDNA

[ashen spindle]

could also be because with udna they want to start with 5 digits or just change it again etc.

[cursive summit]

--70XT is just a callback to Nvidia basically

So it seems they are aiming at best to compete with 5070

Fine by me tbf

[umbral heron]

Or... they already had a naming scheme that people were familiar with and they could keep it

[digital cliff]

meh, I don't really care, I just find it odd they would throw away the naming scheme that everyone was at least used to

[ashen spindle]

you say everyone but amd marketshare is tiny so its not like many people actually look at it

more people online think intel has a chance than amd against nvidia lmfao

[digital cliff]

and go to a naming scheme that's desperately trying to pose itself as nvidia competitor when they haven't been competing on anything but pricing the last 10 years

[ashen spindle]

rdna2 was very much competing at all points

[digital cliff]

which one was that again

[ashen spindle]

6900xt

[cursive summit]

RDNA2 was very pog

[digital cliff]

yeah so half the raytracing and worse deep-learning anti-alias or whatever

[cursive summit]

Still competitive tbf

Raytracing doesn't matter

[ashen spindle]

we ahd like 10 RT games at the time and even less DLSS things

and FSR/dlss those are software features that got added later and still work just fine

[digital cliff]

regardless, it's a worse feature set by far, if you line them up side-by-side with the nvidia competitor card the nvidia card wins every time

[ashen spindle]

it draws less power and was cheaper

[cursive summit]

And lose in pricing

[digital cliff]

yeah so competes on pricing alone /shrug

[cursive summit]

AMD has always been a value brand tbf

Tbf they also win in raster, somewhat

And more VRAM

[digital cliff]

for the people who don't want or need the fancier features I guess

[ashen spindle]

it was lower price, lower power, same raster performance, so you lose in like 10 titles where nobody even used RT on a 3090

nobody plays battlefield with RT, its an online pvp game and certainly not on a 30 series

[steady sail]

[digital cliff]

if it was truly competitive I think we'd see a bigger market share having been obtained

[cursive summit]

RT is not relevant gaming at all anyways

RT is for productivity mainly

[ashen spindle]

remember how it was constantly sold out due to mining etc. just like nvidia?

[digital cliff]

I do not because I don't pay attention to that stuff

[ashen spindle]

and no it was the first gen with working drivers so people were sceptical so it took longer

well then why do you argue about a point you dont know lol

[cursive summit]

Raytracing will become relevant when it doesn't perform at like 30% of the FPS of normal rasterization

And can properly replace it

Which is at least a decade away from what I'm seeing

[ashen spindle]

we did see a market share gain and that even translated into rdna3 being sold well at first because working drivers etc. translated into trust on that launch

[cursive summit]

Kinda annoys me that raytracing is barely usable and suddenly we are talking about path tracing

Just make normal raytracing work properly, it's slow as shit

[ashen spindle]

its more or less the same thing anyway

[cursive summit]

Isn't raytracing basically a single bounce or no-bounce ray simulation?

Path tracing is multibounces from what I'm aware

Insanely hardware taxing

[digital cliff]

I still don't think it's competing if you look at the what it was offering at the time

just now with however manieth version of whatever the AMD's deep-learning thing is called it's apparently good enough

[ashen spindle]

well maybe you dont but everyone on reviewer and consumer side did

[digital cliff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cursive summit]

I think it's pretty fair to recognize Nvidia has by far the best features, although AMD somehow always manages to usually 1-up Nvidia on them eventually like with frame gen

Intel are also pretty solid

Nvidia are just becoming a luxury brand and greedy as shit, like Apple, and that's not appealing to a lot of consumers

[analog sinew]

i mean yeah but the price will be horrid

[digital cliff]

everyone will just buy nv -80 series anyway, regardless of price, just like they do every year

[magic minnow]

I’m hoping it’s around 2K

[cursive summit]

80 card didn't sell that well though

[analog sinew]

o wise elf what should i buy instead

[umbral heron]

XTX

[cursive summit]

the base 60 ti, base 70 and 80 were kind of shit?

Most people bought 4060, 4070 Super, 4070 Ti (Super) and sadly, 4090

[analog sinew]

y es but 80super was good

right?

[digital cliff]

I don't know, whichever suits your needs I guess

[steady sail]

I cant wait for the 8gb 5060 cards

[cursive summit]

The value isn't there, it's not that much better than the 4070 Ti Super I think

[analog sinew]

[analog sinew]

imma be real im too depressed and tired to game i just look at youtube 90% of the time

[digital cliff]

what I do is buy whatever I can get a good deal on secondhand because ain't no way I pay new prices on shit that's equally as good used for -50% of the price sometimes

[analog sinew]

i am just too scared on used stuff

[cursive summit]

Tbf it'll be even worse with RTX 5000 series, the 5070 Ti is becoming even more close to the performance level of the 80 card

[steady sail]

Yeah

[cursive summit]

4070 Ti Super is within like 10% of performance of the 80 Super from what I'm seeing in benchmarks

[cedar fog]

ong I barely play new triple a titles

[cursive summit]

While being like 30% cheaper

[cedar fog]

I mostly play co-op games and those don't come out too frequently

atleast decent ones

[cursive summit]

I don't think 4080 was a big hit for Nvidia, 4070 Ti pretty much was

[digital cliff]

don't worry, used stuff can't hurt you

used stuff:

https://tenor.com/view/mark-lee-mark-nct-nct-mark-nct-nct127-gif-21433278

[cursive summit]

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

Tbf yeah 4070 Ti is like twice as much sold as 4080

While not even that much more in price tbf, here it's 800 euros vs 1000 euros

[steady sail]

Yeah bc the 70 cards are mid-high range cards

[cursive summit]

That's what you remember from the original 70 series

[steady sail]

Meanwhile 80-90 cards are higher end cards

[cursive summit]

With RTX 4000 70Ti series is pretty much high-end

1070 was mid end, I can barely remember 2070

Nvidia are not focusing on sales of 70 cards and they are very much high end

[distant tapir]

4080 is like $300 more than 4070 Ti for me. I'd pick the 4070 Ti if it weren't for the scary amount of vram

[cursive summit]

I dunno why are they butchering the 80 cards though

5070 Ti specs are as good as confirmed and it's barely smaller than 5080

[distant tapir]

5070 Ti chads rise up

[cursive summit]

Yeah but you know what that means

It'll cost at the very least 800$

[cedar fog]

what's up with the vram jump

like holy

[cursive summit]

Ignore the 5090

And the rest of the stack is pretty disappointing but normal

8GB -> 12GB -> 16GB

[magic minnow]

Like the 5080?

[distant tapir]

I wouldn't be surprised if the 5070 Ti has the same MSRP as the 4070 Ti. At most a $100 increase (which would be bad but fingers crossed)

[cursive summit]

5060 - 8
5060 Ti - 16
5070 - 12
5070 Ti - 16
5080 - 16

[magic minnow]

See how many suckers they can snatch and then release the 5080 Super

[cursive summit]

Kinda normal VRAM numbers imo

[cedar fog]

It feels weak

for the increase in games texture sizes lately

[steady sail]

or just a 5080 Ti with 20gb vram

[cursive summit]

Indeed, the 5080 is barely an uplift over 5070 Ti based on leaked numbers

Iirc 5070 Ti has like 9100 CUDA cores?

[cedar fog]

5060 shoulda been 12

[cursive summit]

5080 is 10080 or something

[cedar fog]

imo

[cursive summit]

With no VRAM increase

5080 will be within like 6% of performance of 5070 Ti in benchmarks and I don't understand why

[cedar fog]

the 50 series is such a weird lineup

[lean geyser]

oh are the specs out?

how much is 5090 vram + price?

[cursive summit]

Though Nvidia could shaft the 5070 Ti in memory bus and it'll equal out

[cursive summit]

VRAM is 32 GDDR7, no clue on price, that we will only know on CES

[lean geyser]

damn

prob around 2.5 xd

[cursive summit]

I can only imagine 2.5

[steady sail]

FE cards gonna be 2000 partner cards around 2500

[cedar fog]

imagine buying the 5090 and the next year their xx60 series is faster than it

[cursive summit]

Well that's not happening

RTX 5090 is over 2x bigger than 5080

[lean geyser]

xd

[cursive summit]

Iirc 24000 CUDA cores vs 10000

[lean geyser]

really gotta see if i get a 5080 or 90 for a new pc

[cursive summit]

It's not a consumer card, it's a professional workstation card

[cedar fog]

like physically bigger?

[distant tapir]

5090 is almost tempting even though I'm dirt poor

[magic minnow]

Good thing I’m a professional gamer

[cursive summit]

It's bigger in every dimension lol

Price, size, specs

[cedar fog]

I'm staying away from that card

[cursive summit]

And make it double, hell, 2.5x as big

[cedar fog]

I feel like it's a bad omen

[steady sail]

imo the 5090 is more for the AI ppl and not for the others

[cursive summit]

I seriously despise Nvidia for calling it a 90 card

[cedar fog]

most likely

to load models into memory

[cursive summit]

They had the fucking Titan naming and that is exactly what it is

It's a Titan card

[distant tapir]

Since it has a gorrilion more frames than other GPUs it's completely reasonable for gamers to buy it

[cursive summit]

For people that need a shit ton of raw power for workstations

That's what Titans always were

[cedar fog]

I'm not that into hardware

but out of curiosity what CPU would you even pair with the 5090

[cursive summit]

Yet they just called it a 90 card and now every single singleton is focusing on it

[cedar fog]

😭

[cursive summit]

If you can afford the 5090 you are buying the 9800X3D

[steady sail]

most ppl gonna buy 5080's and 5070 ti's

[cursive summit]

No, most people are gonna buy the 5060s

[magic minnow]

Gotta wait and see on the 9950x3d though

[cursive summit]

That's what sells the most on paper

[cedar fog]

is that CPU even fast enough

[cursive summit]

Yes?

[cedar fog]

like I know it's like top of the line but

[cursive summit]

It's the fastest CPU in the market

[cedar fog]

like realistically do you think there's gonna be bottleneck

[cursive summit]

With the specs of 5090? Yeah, probably tbf

[magic minnow]

Bottleneck is always gonna be a thing

[cursive summit]

But there'll be no solution to that, not until 2026 at least

Intel just launched 14th and it sucked ass, AMD just launched Zen 5

No new CPUs until 2026 (I think Intel was meaning to launch next gen in late 2025 so we'll see)

[magic minnow]

6090

[cedar fog]

5090 seems insane

[distant tapir]

Have to see the 1080p benchmarks

[cursive summit]

It's cause it is insane, it's not a gaming card lol

[cedar fog]

way too much vram

actually maybe starcitizens players can finally hit 60fps

nvm good card nvidia

[cursive summit]

It's a card for crunching numbers, running PyTorch, CAD, simulations in professional environments, etc

It's an Nvidia Titan card with a shit ass -90 series name

Nobody should realistically buy them for games

[cedar fog]

they're doing it that way cause it will cause certain consumers to buy it

[distant tapir]

Why not though... It has way more fps

[cursive summit]

Well yeah obviously

Some people didn't even realize Titan cards existed back then

Nvidia just called them the -90 card and suddenly it's selling like hotcakes

[distant tapir]

People often say that the 90 cards have locked drivers or something and aren't real Titan ones. Is that true?

[cedar fog]

okay but what if I wanted to release an unreal engine game with 8k mega scans textures

[cursive summit]

They are normal GeForce drivers

[cedar fog]

I wouldve liked to see the 5080 have more than 16gb of vram tho

[cursive summit]

5080 prolly should have 24 imo

[steady sail]

imo the last titan card was released with the 20 series anyway

[cursive summit]

But we'll see what Nvidia are thinking with pricing

[cursive summit]

If they are having a clarity moment, 5070Ti could cost 600$, 5080 800$, and 5090 1500$

They can afford that, and it'd be pog

[magic minnow]

Hell no lol

[steady sail]

thats never gonna happen

[cedar fog]

5090 for $2500

[distant tapir]

I wish

[cedar fog]

😘

[magic minnow]

I’m calling 2K

I’ll drop it though

And then take a long break from upgrading

[steady sail]

i can see that the 5070 ti gonna start at a 1000$ 5080 - 1500$, 5090 - 2000$

[cursive summit]

I mean, it's Nvidia we are talking about, the cards cost like 50% of the MSRP to manufacture and the rest is profit margins

[cedar fog]

I'm hoping to see the 5080 around $1150

😠

[cursive summit]

5080 1500$ is not happening

[steady sail]

or maybe 850-950$ for the 5070 ti

[cursive summit]

I can almost promise you 5080 and 5070Ti will be like 200$ apart

[steady sail]

we talk about nvidia aka the AI overlords

[distant tapir]

I am expecting a very slight price increase for the 5080. 5090 will prolly be either a $100 increas or quite a bit more. 4090 was a $100 increase over 3090

[cursive summit]

Even Nvidia are somewhat logical

5070 Ti and 5080 are the same exact silicon, and nearly the same exact spec

It's within 200$ and I think 50 series will prolly be the same pricing as 40 series

So 5080 1 grand, 800 for the Ti, etc

[steady sail]

if we are logical 5070 ti 850$ 5080 950$

[cursive summit]

5090 is $2k for founder models at least

[oblique solstice]

is it worth buying the 4070 ti super now or wait for 5070 ti?

[cedar fog]

I think 5080 is at least $1000

[oblique solstice]

what will the price be like

[distant tapir]

Founder is usually cheapest right? Founders I see are cheaper than aftermarket ones

[analog sinew]

what was the 4090 msrp

[cursive summit]

You can afford to wait for CES which is in 2 weeks

[cursive summit]

1500 on launch iirc, it went far up though

[steady sail]

1600$

[analog sinew]

waow

[cedar fog]

this just in nvidia cards all go up $500 per tier

[steady sail]

The release price (MSRP) in US was $1599 at launch

[magic minnow]

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-pcb-leak-massive-gb202-blackwell-gpu-die-samsung-gddr7-memory/amp/

[analog sinew]

would have been a nice deal at that price

[cursive summit]

We already discussed all of this stuff lol

[distant tapir]

3090 was $1500 I think

[steady sail]

yeah msrp for the 3090 was 1499$

[cursive summit]

3090 Ti was 1999$ iirc

Tbf nobody bought that card

[analog sinew]

i want it

[magic minnow]

1080ti carried too hard

[distant tapir]

I feel bad for those who did. 4090 came out 6 months later or something

[cursive summit]

It was a very late launch yes, I think it came out with the SUPER cards

Nvidia's mid-gen but more like late-gen refresh

[magic minnow]

I would have cried

[cursive summit]

Tbf it was a shit card

[steady sail]

i mean it was funny that the 3080 was 699$ msrp and the 3080 Ti was 1199$ msrp

[cursive summit]

I don't remember the 20 series fondly at all, it was all kinda wack except for 2060KO

30 series only had good mid-end cards

[distant tapir]

I had a 1080 Ti and felt little reason to upgrade

[cursive summit]

Tbf yeah but the 1080Ti is now old

[analog sinew]

but so is the founders Edition a good snag usually if you can get it

[steady sail]

ngreedia

[cedar fog]

i feel like there tends not to be much reason to upgrade up one gen between xx80ti

[distant tapir]

It runs games very bad now yeah

[magic minnow]

Same I didn’t upgrade until last year personally

[cursive summit]

Most it'd still run fine if you don't play AAA

[steady sail]

im more and more into just buying a used 3090

and dont care about new cards

[cursive summit]

Those suffer from severe lack of VRAM though

[distant tapir]

But not at 4k if you want 60+ fps afaik

(and it doesn't support enough bandwidth for 4k 120 Hz either)

[cursive summit]

Just get a used 40 series, or RDNA2/RDNA3

30 series is kinda meh

[steady sail]

used 4070 ti's and ti supers are close to msrp prices in Hungary xd

[cursive summit]

That's a big minority of people imo

Check cards like 6800XT, 6900XT

16 gigs, compete with higher end cards still

[steady sail]

most of them are sold or either like 20-50 euro difference xd

[cursive summit]

How's a 7900GRE then?

It's a good value card, great performance

[steady sail]

just like a used 3090 xd

600 euro

[cursive summit]

It's a lot better than a 3090 though

[steady sail]

not that better LOL

around 3%

thats not a lot xd

[cursive summit]

Far more VRAM, it'll still get new features which 3090 isn't going to get

It's a better purchase

Oh right the 3090 has 24 GBs

Which was the piece of shit that had only 10

[steady sail]

3080

[cursive summit]

Eh, I still don't see much of a reason to get the 3090

I don't think it even gets DLSS 3..?

[steady sail]

nope

nvidia doesnt add feature or better stuff to older gpu's

[cursive summit]

Yeah and they are imo, very important especially to a card like 3090

[steady sail]

thats only a AMD thing

[cursive summit]

Iirc you still get DLSS 2 and DLSS 3.5

I don't remember if you get DLAA

[steady sail]

most of the games i play dont need DLSS or any of that shit

[cursive summit]

Yeah you do get DLAA with the 30 series

I did try DLAA and it's pretty damn good

[cedar fog]

I hate upscalers

[cursive summit]

Your loss

[steady sail]

i hate them as well xd

[cedar fog]

most of the games I play they just increase input latency

which is extremely negative

[cursive summit]

You don't use Reflex?

[cedar fog]

I do

[cursive summit]

Then you shouldn't feel the input latency

[cedar fog]

they also don't increase clarity imo

I rather just play on low settings

I have grown accustomed to no anti aliasing as well

[cursive summit]

I mean yeah that's not the point lol, they upscale from lower to look somewhat like native in return for performance

[cedar fog]

tbf

[cursive summit]

It'll never look as good as native

DLAA unironically looks better than native

[cedar fog]

yeah I dislike the whole unreal engine smear shit too

[cursive summit]

That much I have noticed in testing

And you want antialiasing for getting rid of jagged edges

[cedar fog]

even cry engine has some sort of smear going on imo

their lighting is funky

[cursive summit]

What're you talking about

Smear?

Black smear?

You got a VA monitor maybe?

[cedar fog]

no

it's how the engines do lighting

ray tracing artifacts

[cursive summit]

I've played Unreal and Cryengine games and I've seen no smearing

[cedar fog]

impressive

[cursive summit]

No smearing on Stalker 2, no smearing with Crysis or KCD

That's just your own issue there

[cedar fog]

it definitely isn't

it's built into the engine

[cursive summit]

Smearing is not built into any engines

[cedar fog]

lumen is dogass

[steady sail]

idk i never notice any of that shit

[cedar fog]

https://youtu.be/6Ov9GhEV3eE?t=10m15s

[steady sail]

oh yeah smear i can see time to time

but not just in CryEngine and Unreal games

[cedar fog]

fair

I've messed with lumen since unreal engine 5 released

it has such god awful artifacting

atleast they're working on a baked alternative for future versions

[steady sail]

i had smear in SnowDrop engine games as well

[cedar fog]

global illumination issue

[steady sail]

not everytime just randomly so i guess xd

[ashen spindle]

please do not link that idiot who has no shipped experience and shills his own ai slop as a solution

he knows enough to sound smart but not enough to know about why stuff is done and just likes to hate on unreal

[cursive summit]

I just saw a new vid from them today linked on reddit where they were shitting on unreal lol

I wasn't sure who that was so didn't click on it

Good to know nothing of value was lost

[cedar fog]

What's his own ai slop?

I've never seen it

I've only seen him compare actual performance of older techniques from older titles

[ashen spindle]

he had some semi popular piece about optimization which is just lacking information like you need to factor in the whole pipline in a shipped game, you cant make a gta size game and make everything follow how it would be the best when that means artists take 10x longer to get stuff done so the game cant release in time

idk he had in one video pitched ai generation crap as a solution

thats the only one I watched

[cursive summit]

If you want to know how games are actually made, just ask @ashen spindle lol, he works in an established studio afaik

Only I think he works with VR mainly

[ashen spindle]

not really established studio and not AAA games but stuff like research/medical etc. stuff

[cedar fog]

His latest video compares render pipeline times along with reducing them by multiple ms in multiple areas

I'm not saying he is entirely right all the time but people have been complaining about unreal engine 5 since it came out

lumen and nanite are genuinely dogshit

[cursive summit]

What's wrong with Nanite

[cedar fog]

even the probe lighting offered in unity is better

[ashen spindle]

and yet they are working very well in fortnite for example

[ashen spindle]

lol, lmao no

[cursive summit]

I was going to say, Fortnite works really well with most GPUs

It's all about implementation

[cedar fog]

Ever since Fortnite upgraded to unreal engine 5

[cursive summit]

Lumen gets a lot of flak, some might be justified, most not

[cedar fog]

the performance has been worse

[cursive summit]

Should have said downgraded

[ashen spindle]

I saw someone describe this guy perfectly in another discord:

He very much has not worked on a game because he hand waves away all the hard stuff
He’d be the sort of PM that thinks manually placing 46 lights for one room (with 1 visible light) is trivial.

[cedar fog]

The reality of the situation is regardless if you're gonna shit talk a guy who is actually getting recognition for some of the flaws of the engine or you're gonna go bitch of unreal forums like people have been doing for the past 5 years

it sucks

for both consumers and developers

[ashen spindle]

the issue is he is completely missing the parts where things do workflow optimizations that are a godsend for devs who dont have manpower

[cedar fog]

that may be true for indie developers yes

[ashen spindle]

He’s like an evolution of r/fucktaa where he has this combination of “modern rendering bad” and also just a complete ignorance towards actual game development

[cedar fog]

but there is wider adoption of the engine from larger studios

[ashen spindle]

no workflow optimization is even more important if you need to coordinate 500 people putting in the assets

[cedar fog]

nanite is the lesser of the evils imo

but even then I've seen lots of games shipped with 3rd party lod solutions from larger studios

like simplygon

[cursive summit]

Tbf, TAA is kinda weird, praise FXAA

[cedar fog]

I find it weird to compare Fortnite as the game that runs well on unreal though seeing as epic games develops the game and the engine

they have more man power than anybody to make a performant game

[distant tapir]

Cyberpunk looks like absolute trash on my display. It's so muddy looking. Meanwhile 20+ year old games look much sharper

[hollow ginkgo]

do u guys think it's worth to ugrade my am4 build or go build a new am5 build?

[ashen spindle]

it's just not that simple to narrow it down, in previous generations we had faster upgrade cycles and now people complain that a 8 year old gpu should be able to run new games still so engines cant make use of hardware updates and all that

[cursive summit]

Which AM4 build are you running

[cedar fog]

Yet even when they upgraded Fortnite and released UEFN the performance was still sacrificed in exchange for a stylistic game to have real time lighting

and auto lod swapping

[cursive summit]

It's like asking you if I should buy a new oven, you know nothing about my oven

[cedar fog]

for what should be lower resolution textures and lower tri meshes

[hollow ginkgo]

ryzen 7 5700x

[ashen spindle]

then we have things like baked lighting being exponentially easier than anything real time and just upping the polygon count was just linear increase with quality for a while so it was really simple to just make stuff look better

[hollow ginkgo]

i only play cs2 val etc

[cursive summit]

The only real upgrade path for you is 5700X3D or 5800X3D if you remain on AM4

And yeah if you only play comp games then stick to AM4 imo

There isn't much need for you to upgrade yet I don't think

[ashen spindle]

now instead of upping polygon count you need to have a subsurface shader for upgrading character visuals which isnt as simple as just using double the polygons for a shape

[cedar fog]

I genuinely still think it's too early for any real time ray traced lighting

if the cost of it is terrible artifacting

[ashen spindle]

I'm not even talking about RT light

[hollow ginkgo]

yeah thats what i was thinking since im not playing games that require really high end specs so i might js upgrade to the 5800x3d

[vapid tree]

Idk if you're not running a 360hz+ the 5700x should do just fine

[cursive summit]

5800X3D is expensive nowadays, see if 5700X3D is a lot cheaper

[ashen spindle]

but people compare stuff like still shots in arkham games to games with a day night cycle where you can't just pre bake all 24 hours fo a day with moving sun

[vapid tree]

In cs2 it might be cutting it close actually

[cursive summit]

Depends on their GPU

[ashen spindle]

and then of course they all whine when a 1080 cant run it anymore 8 years after that gpu got introduced

[vapid tree]

You play those games on low anyway

a 780ti can push 200+ in cs2 on low

[ashen spindle]

my point is that similar to r/fuckTAA that guy is just very blindsided and overlooks its not that easy to just fix shit so to say, just like TAA can both be horrible and done insanely well in games

[cedar fog]

mhm but I agree he isn't a full picture

probably more so to people with no prior knowledge

[ashen spindle]

yeah but he is missing so many important things that it points the wrong picture to people who dont have prior knowledge

because now it sounds to them that studios are just dumb/lazy/whatever when they could just do it right

[cedar fog]

he is one of many people complaining about ue5 tho

probably the only one who has gotten recognition

[ashen spindle]

that doesnt make it better or mean hes right

that just means social media found his content interesting

[analog sinew]

people who still think a 10 series could run highens stuff are on equal copium

[cedar fog]

it doesn't but any amount of publicity can still put pressure on epic games to address issues

[ashen spindle]

which they constantly do its not like epic is making change to make stuff worse

[vapid tree]

I don't blame them though when current gen $200 offerings barely outperform a 1080/1080ti

[cedar fog]

They've been improving performance especially in 5.4 and 5.5 but also I think there is some negatives in how the engine was advertised in the first place

regardless of how much quicker it makes it for people with less manpower

the features they advertise arent usually performant enough to be negligent and just throw whatever you want in

though they advertise them as such

I recall awhile back lumen was newish

just got pushed to Fortnite

you barely have documentation

and your only resource is watching like 3 hr video of how they explain them painfully optimizing shadowmaps for acceptable performance

it's very misleading

and regardless if you're a smaller or larger studio

you now have this weird ideology of just doing all the art stuff

and then all performance gets ignored

it's especially bad now that all these studios are adopting the engine

Microsoft has seemingly pushed most of their studios to use it

Bethesda

Halo studios

probably newer gen borderlands games

CD projekt red

[ashen spindle]

yeah but those issues like consumers being fine with using 60fps and upscaling with frame gen is on the consumer and they just provide what people want

borderlands games always were unreal already

[cedar fog]

yeah they were

[ashen spindle]

gearbox is basically an unreal only studio since beginning

[cedar fog]

I think the newer one will still be ue4

I genuinely hate upscaling currently

[ashen spindle]

those big studios use either custom forks anyway or add their own stuff ontop of the current branch

[cedar fog]

it's a great idea

but it's just not it for me yet

I still prefer native

[ashen spindle]

okay I clicked through that guys video and at some points he talks about unitys light probe system and how stuff is already fixed but never mentions where or how its fixed??

[cedar fog]

no idea

[ashen spindle]

and just uses unity presentation slides were they showcase best case scenario as if thats how it always works while complaining about unreal? lol

[cedar fog]

I was trying to google the unity apv

a bit ago

[ashen spindle]

man I wish they would just work like this guy says, would've saved me so much time lol

[cedar fog]

cause you were talking about day night cycles

and I think that's a feature of apv

baked day night cycle

[ashen spindle]

they are just part of URP not HDRP at this point iirc

also you cant convert light proves into apv

[cedar fog]

mm

I don't have enough hands of unity to know

I've only really messed with godot unreal and bevy

[cedar fog]

that is unsurprising though cause last I heard unity is trying to remove their multiple pipelines

and just have one

[ashen spindle]

yea iirc thats on the roadmap for 26

[cursive summit]

This shit makes no sense

Is it 7900GRE or 4080

I'd be happy with 4080 perf for 550ish, I'd happy with 7900GRE perf for 400

[vapid ruin]

ryzen 4070 exist naow

[ashen spindle]

yes welcome to leakers, they are leaks rumours and made up posts not people who know the futures

[cursive summit]

I don't think that card can boost enough to match Nvidia with that amount of cores

[ashen spindle]

you cant just compares cores as the same unit of value

[cursive summit]

I am not comparing it to Nvidia's cores

[thick elk]

Even if some are real benchmarks, early chips lower clock speeds, broken drivers, maybe higher power limits and cooling.
I'll just stick to a big old wait and see.

[reef patrol]

How about we wait and see what actually releases? Speculation is circular and pointless 😄

[cursive summit]

9070XT, for however much those core leaks we are trustworthy, had a lot less shader cores than other RDNA3 cards iirc

I don't imagine it hitting 4080 performance target

[ashen spindle]

you cant compare it to previous gens either without knowing what they change

[cursive summit]

They ain't changing anything? It's RDNA3 with improved RT cores

[ashen spindle]

what? lmao no not even close

where did you take that from

[cedar fog]

I can tell you guys for a fact

I know reputable people from amd

the card will

be cool 😎

[cursive summit]

I can tell you for a fact, I don't believe you

[cursive summit]

We've known that for a while?

[ashen spindle]

no?

[cursive summit]

Yes?

It's just RDNA 3.5 renamed to 4

[ashen spindle]

lmao no

[cursive summit]

That refresh was only meant to improve RT cores and not much else

[ashen spindle]

looooool

rnda 4 is not 3.5 with more rt

[cursive summit]

What's your source on that

They canned 3.5 which was just meant to unfuck 3 and actually make it work properly, and slap some RT cores on top

[ashen spindle]

public LLVM commits detailing what changes so code can compile to a target hardware

[cursive summit]

I don't remember many LLVM commits that detailed much about the operation of RDNA4

Not many articles that actually talked about it at least

All the way from January eh https://chipsandcheese.com/p/examining-amds-rdna-4-changes-in-llvm

[cedar fog]

are they also unveiling at CES?

[cursive summit]

You have friends at AMD, you should ask them

(yes)

[grave night]

hi i have a probems when i order i cant change the delivery adress and this automaticaly put an adress at 1 hours from my house and when i click in "not your location" that change nothing

[cursive summit]

[e-mail]

[viral python]

Are you trying to contact Wooting's customer service? Please use the support wizard!
https://wooting.io/support

[cursive summit]

Yeah I was about to say, they have a support wizard now

[cedar fog]

well if the leaks are true

or close to true

I wonder what msrp is gonna be

[cursive summit]

If it's 4080 then.. 600$ imo

[steady sail]

the cheapest 4080 is 1000 euro xcD

from 2nd hand

[cursive summit]

That it do be

AMD's 4080 equivalent though is far cheaper than 1000 euro though

[cedar fog]

seems like a good card

I'd probably buy one

I'm curious on rdna 4 rt changes

[steady sail]

the cheapest 7900 xtx is 770 euro from 2nd hand xd

[cursive summit]

Which is pretty good

[ashen spindle]

if you want rdna4 rt just buy a ps5 pro xD

[cedar fog]

I'm never buying a console

[cursive summit]

Tbf I can buy a not working XTX for 300 right now

[cedar fog]

now I wanna watch the CES amd presentation tho

[cursive summit]

Seller says "fans work, video works, turns off after 3 minutes"

I suspect.. overheating maybe? Could be faulty chips

300 for an XTX is a big steal if I could repair it tbf, a gamble

[cedar fog]

or it could be like dead memory or something worse

[cursive summit]

No, that's not signs of dead memory from what I'm aware of

[cedar fog]

mm

[cursive summit]

If it just turns off after a few minutes but it exhibits life throughout, then I suspect core degradation is maybe at play

[cedar fog]

I had to rma a 2080ti cause when I started using it it hit a certain point in memory and just shutoff

[cursive summit]

Huh, a PG card

Those are kinda shite lol

Had to RMA one not long ago, the thing would just not work

[cedar fog]

have you guys seen sora btw

it makes the most goofy ass videos

people just bounce around like ragdolls

[cursive summit]

You'll hardly find an interested audience here

[cedar fog]

mm

not like I'm paying $200 for that shit

[cursive summit]

It doesn't cost 200$

You can access a little bit limited version of it with Plus subscription

I mean, I wish I could, it's geoblocked here not that I care much

[cedar fog]

oh I see that yeah

plus is also 480p tho

or 720p

[cursive summit]

Look it up, idk

[cedar fog]

open ai is geo blocked

wow

[cursive summit]

What're you talking about, no?

[cedar fog]

or just the model?

[cursive summit]

I just don't have access to it yet, it's not available here

[cedar fog]

Oh

mb I thought you meant more like your country banned it or something

[cursive summit]

Just like whenever any new AI model comes out I have to wait months for it to be available

[cedar fog]

lmao

[cursive summit]

No country has banned any AI models to my knowledge

[cedar fog]

few countries have banned chatgpt I thought

[cursive summit]

Would be news to me

[steady sail]

i just need a better 1440p card

[cedar fog]

same

[steady sail]

but i dont wanna spend more than 500 euro on it

[cedar fog]

I don't care about 4k gaming

[steady sail]

the max that i would go out is 650 euro

but that my limit on a GPU

but on the GPU market a thats 7800 XT or 4070 non super

soo yeah i cant

[cursive summit]

Maybe you could look into the B580?

I play games at 1440p with the RX 5700 and that is very old by now

Yes I can't play everything but not like I really want to

Most of the good games are indies nowadays and run fine on old hardware

[steady sail]

i dont wanna get an intel card

[wild coyote]

Intel made a pretty good card for budget wise

[steady sail]

i just dont care about intel cards xd

even if its 315 euro

for pre-order

[cursive summit]

Get the RTX 4060 then

They are around 300 flat

Hell even cheaper than that around 280

It's a snappy enough card

[steady sail]

the cheapest is around 350 xD

[cursive summit]

Where are you from again?

[steady sail]

Hungary

still i dont want an intel GPU

[cursive summit]

Rn a 4060 Windforce is 290€

[steady sail]

340

[cursive summit]

I thought cheapest was 350

[silk cedar]

yay

5 monitor laptop setup of mine

[steady sail]

still i dont need intel gpu

i dont care about them

[cursive summit]

What are you talking about, I mentioned Intel like, once

[steady sail]

okay yeah its 340 euro in a noname shop that i dont know

[cursive summit]

How much's a 7900XT in your shithole?

[steady sail]

700 or something

[cursive summit]

Meh, seems your prices are like mine just +50€

[analog sinew]

hey if he was a politician he could siphon eu money for it

[cursive summit]

I was willing to just send you one of the cards from here if they are substantially cheaper but you have little to gain with 40-50€ difference

Plus no warranty

[steady sail]

on the 2nd hand market its 700 euro

[cursive summit]

660 brand new here

540 for 7900 GRE and 4070 non-Super

[steady sail]

new 760 euro

[cursive summit]

I mean since it's 100€ you prolly just benefit from shipping from elsewhere where it's cheaper

[steady sail]

not really

i would pay the same price

[cursive summit]

No you would really not?

Shipping doesn't cost that much

[steady sail]

yeah lol

like i could order it from amazon but warranty and stuff is pain in the ass

so i either pay full price or 2nd hand price

[cursive summit]

Eh, are you likely to encounter any issues in 2 years?

Just don't buy Asrock and you're prolly fine lol

[steady sail]

i jsut want a gpu till AM6 lol

so that 4 years

[cursive summit]

Get a GRE imo

[steady sail]

as thats around half of my paycheck

[cursive summit]

Well, first you should wait for CES lol

[steady sail]

i mean GRE cards are gonna be more and more expensive as AMD stopped making it

so i guess im gonna stuck with the 6700 xt for the next 4 years xd

[vapid tree]

6900 xt might be worth a shot

They go for 350-400 pretty regularly on the used market

[steady sail]

there is only 2 on sale for 390 xd

[vapid tree]

Not bad I'd say

[steady sail]

yeah but i dont have the case space for it xd

[vapid tree]

For around 30-50% performance increase depending on the game plus resale value of the 6700xt

welp that's gg then

[steady sail]

i could sell like 100-120 euro xd

[vapid tree]

With that budget It's probably better to wait then at least till people start selling 40 series more on the used market

[steady sail]

40 series expensive on the used market as its xd

[vapid tree]

rn ye after 50 series launch will prob be a little cheaper

Always how it goes

[steady sail]

not really LOL

i bought my 6700 xt for 400 euro 2 year later it released

[ashen spindle]

thats what people always say but then depending on demand and supply it just doesnt happen like the last two gens lol

[vapid tree]

Idk man 30 series is super cheap

[vapid tree]

that just sounds like you got scammed

that's literally above msrp?

[ashen spindle]

yeah now when its 2 generations old lol

[steady sail]

welcome to Hungary

[vapid tree]

doesn't make them obsolete

Especially with 40 series being as expensive as it is

[steady sail]

okay i remember wrong it was 280-300 euro

[soft ledge]

can anyone recommend me a good wireless gaming headphones

[vapid tree]

rtings.com

[vapid tree]

not too bad then

[steady sail]

soo if im lucky i could sell it for 180-200 euro

i just cant remember anything xd

just every 4070 ti super or 4070 super cards are 700-800 euro's

okay only the Ti Supers are expensive

4070 supers are around 600-700 euro

the most expensive 4070 super is 800 euro

and thats on the used market

i could get 4070 supers for 630 euro and those are the cheapest ngreedia cards that i would consider

or the 7800 xt

or some 7900 gre

i guess im gonna get a 4070 super somehow lol

for my birthday

[rough osprey]

ngreenia

[leaden kiln]

Hm the green color looks kinda nice
https://fixvx.com/finalmouse/status/1872358147463295148

I still need to see how the centerpiece will look though ☠️

[broken leaf]

Anyone else having problems with the numbers four five and six on the keyboard?

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258

[wheat yacht]

At monkeys

Do you think a 1200w PSU will be alright for the 50 series GPUs

[ashen spindle]

way too much

[wheat yacht]

Too much?

Is 1000 the sweet spot

[ashen spindle]

I ran my 4090 on a 600W psu lol

[wheat yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-side-eye-side-eye-look-gif-2172576260448763209

[ashen spindle]

ideally you have the psu at half load thats where its most efficent

[wheat yacht]

Oh I thought you were messing with me saying the 5090 💀

I got a Corsair shift that was on shift that was 1200 watts

[ashen spindle]

so idk lets say 300W gpu, 50w cpu and 50W for the rest at the time means 800W would be ideal if thats the entire time

[wheat yacht]

So it was like 150

[ashen spindle]

more isnt bad but complete overkill isnt helping really

[wheat yacht]

Igu

[ashen spindle]

if you have it yes thats fine

[wheat yacht]

Thank you Quin ily

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-monkey-hug-gif-12347613

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d-cpu-z-specs-leak-max-5-65-ghz-clock-170w-tdp-and-single-3d-v-cache-ccd

Ain't the 5090 going to be 400W thereabouts

Depending on the CPU I'd feel unsafe with anything less than 850W

[ashen spindle]

why, are you wanting to run blender on your gpu while playing cyberpunk

[cursive summit]

Unironically, yes

[ashen spindle]

no you dont

[thick elk]

Personally if I had such a thing, I would at the very least stress test something like furmark + small fft's or other combined loads, especially memory overclocking if I want some pain.

[ashen spindle]

on mixed ccds the game mode usualyl disables one ccd anyway so during games you have just 8 cores xD

and if you do something heavy on the cpu you're not running gpu at full load

[trim crane]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-cute-gif-24044523

[thick elk]

I mean sure day-to day not really but when you are testing memory stability during a gpu load you end up with a cpu-intensive set of strestests while the gpu is running full tilt.

Of course niche case.

[cursive summit]

https://vxtwitter.com/Kepler_L2/status/1872292310660309179

RX 9060 with no hardware encoding?

[trim crane]

really...? that would suck

no AV1???

[cursive summit]

Tbf encoding I think is only useful in very few circumstances lol

Decoding is what's actually useful, encoding is like.. rarely used by most peeps

[trim crane]

I record a lot

[wheat yacht]

God I love this, the monkey was so mad he got left behind

[cursive summit]

Yeah you are prolly in minority

[trim crane]

so I need an encoder

[ashen spindle]

no need to treat something somone posts after reading some pullrequests as a fact

[wheat yacht]

I heard amds cards are not gonna be able to compete with the 7900xtx

Is the at true?

[ashen spindle]

we dont know

until the cards are out we dont know

[wheat yacht]

Hopefully that isn’t true

That would be so sad

[trim crane]

imo no hardware encoder just seems like a step back for anyone that wants to record, if its true this seems to only be a gaming GPU only

and thats a shame

[ashen spindle]

its literally just because there was a commit that had some info about n48 encoders but n44 was empty

means nothing, they dont just put everything into public commits before a release

[trim crane]

oh wait

N44, not N41

[ashen spindle]

there is no n41

[trim crane]

is N44 the 9070XT?

[ashen spindle]

we get n44 and n48

with n48 being the 9070 and such

n44 is the smaller ones

[cursive summit]

Iirc it's Nvidia does the descending order

AD104 is the 4060 iirc, 103 the 70 and 80 I think? 102 is 4090

AMD does the opposite

[ashen spindle]

no its generally just the order in that its produced

and often that just correleates with where its on the stack

so n31 is the 7900xtx but if n36 would have been made that would have been the flagship etc.

and n41-43 are just the killed skus that didnt get made after all

[cursive summit]

Ah, alright

Tbf it would have been cool if AMD made big cards for RDNA4

They definitely had them, just chose not to release them

I wonder if they just don't see the market for them?

[lyric hatch]

From what I heard they are having issues scaling performance with the chiplet design

[cursive summit]

Not the first time I heard that

[ashen spindle]

no thats reddit rumours that think all the rdna3 issues come from chiplets

the biggest issue will be time to market, if you take more time fixing issues in 4, 5 will be later

and 5 is the ip thats used for consoles which can not be allowed to be delayed

not having 9090XTX is the better take than not getting the sony/msft deal

then you have limited resources for the packaging both in engineering as well as cowos supply limits at tsmc etc.

and if you have to share resources between mi300x that you sell for idk 30k per chip and a 2k gaming flagship, the decision is easy xD

[sudden imp]

Is chiplets really causing that man yissues?

[analog sinew]

we simply dont know right

[lyric hatch]

I mean nvidia still finds a way to make it work and they will sell you their's at 4x the price

What was that Jensen quote "so good that even when the competitor's chips are free, it's not cheap enough."

[ashen spindle]

no because nvidia doesnt do cowos on consumer?

nvidia doesnt sell a single thing on consumer side that eats away limited packaging like cowos xD

[lyric hatch]

They have used older nodes on the consumer side sometimes

Would make sense if all consumer stuff just gets old nodes if fab is printing money on the high end

[ashen spindle]

packaging isnt a specific node

and you can do that especially on lower tier cards just fine

[pale sigil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/qPCm4a1hnV

Nightmare fuel

[glad robin]

Hey, I accidentally spill coffee on my keyboard, I let it dry for a entire day with keys removed and face down, then plugged it back it used to work for a few hours (with 3 or 4 leds glitching from times to times) then stopped to work entirely, is there anything I can still do to save it ? Or is there a repairation service available at wooting ? Thanks 😭

[reef patrol]

Should have opened and cleaned it thoroughly inside.

You can try doing that now, but we do not provide repair services as such, only spare parts at cost for you to replace as needed.

[glad robin]

Is there still a chance of it being able to work if cleaned ? And if not what do you assume is dead, also what would be approximatively the cost of a replace ?

[reef patrol]

Only one way to find out. get scrubbing as they say.

For replacement parts inquires reach out to support via the website.

[glad robin]

Ok ok, thanks for the fast answer, in 10 years of gaming never spill anything and it has to happen on the most expensive keyboard I've bought and it had only 3 month 😭

[glad robin]

Oh also sorry to bother you again, but 90° isopropyl is enough to clean the PCB ? Or I should look for more ?

[vapid tree]

Should be fine, I'd also scrub with distilled water before though

It's super cheap and should be available pretty much everywhere, makes cleaning a lot easier tho especially if the coffee had milk/sugar inside

Also make sure to let it dry for atleast a day even after cleaning with isoprop

[glad robin]

Ok ok, thanks 🙂 let's hope it won't die

[vapid tree]

[cursive summit]

So apparently RTX 5080 price has leaked (supposedly)

An australian shop has listed it prematurely, however reliable it is, and it's 1500 USD

[reef patrol]

Old news?

[cursive summit]

What old news, old man

[vapid ruin]

holy hell

1.5k??? So like 1.2k on US?

[cursive summit]

I just said 1.5k USD

It's 2500 AUD

[vapid ruin]

Yeah, but I heard AUS on tech can cost a bit more than US. Unless my brain is thinking of other country

[umbral heron]

Even more with tarrifs?

[cursive summit]

Apparently the shop listed specs too

[reef patrol]

We've been able to guess pricing for a week and change, because prebuilt PC prices leaked.

[cursive summit]

Mansen, that was prebuilt prices

This is direct unit prices

[reef patrol]

Yes - And you can use basic math to figure out what it would cost as a standalone product.

[cursive summit]

What it actually sells for

[reef patrol]

1500 is exactly what people were expecting.

[cursive summit]

Uh, no?

[reef patrol]

Then your math teacher didn't teach you very well 😛

[cursive summit]

I'm not arguing with you about this

[ashen spindle]

How many times does it have to be said that prices before announcement mean nothing because it could be changed live on stage still

[cursive summit]

The weird thing is, is that the shop listed purchase price

[reef patrol]

Also that. Both nVidia and AMD have been known to slightly adjust pricing to compensate for VAT and such (though not fully, sadface)

[cursive summit]

And it was 2300 AUD

So wherever from the aussie shop got their figures from, they know how much they are paying for it

[reef patrol]

Short of my 3080 failing fully, I am definitely not getting a 5080 on release. I already paid blood money levels once for the 3080. 😄

[ashen spindle]

That’s not a weird thing that could be anything from their expectation to the latest guess that they have in their supply chain

Just because they list it doesn’t mean they know anything about it

[cursive summit]

1500 USD makes no sense either way, that's far too high of a price for that kind of product

[ashen spindle]

We don’t know how they segment things so we also don’t know if that’s too high or not

[reef patrol]

The price of a 80' card has essentially doubled since the 2080 😄

[ashen spindle]

It could literally be they made an educated guess and set up the page and then accidentally published it and maybe it’s right maybe it’s completely off

[cursive summit]

Well if there's one thing that is always going to be correct is that the price is always too high

GPUs are not worth what Nvidia is expecting us to pay

[umbral heron]

And yet first batch of 5090s will sell out in seconds

[reef patrol]

There will always be middle class, middle aged folks with disposable income for hobbies and not enough time to enjoy it 😄

[analog sinew]

hey >:

[ashen spindle]

Covid showed a lot of people that for the price of one tire they can get a new gpu and have more fun racing in games than taking care of their car

[umbral heron]

But it's our fun, get off my lawn

[reef patrol]

I've sold plenty of overbuilt setups for craftsmen who just want "the best system" to play counterstrike or farming simulator on. Bricklayers, Electricians and such professions work overtime these days at premium hourly wages, because the state's been handing out money for people to do renovations - but there's a time limit for applying etc...

So you've got craftsmen with more money than they know what to spend on, and no time to enjoy it. My former colleage at the review site burned out so hard he went into teaching - But he was upgrading his grill on a yearly basis to the newest, fancy model, had a car and a house.

[umbral heron]

Well, I guess it's also easier to upgrade on a yearly basis once you have high-end PC, you can just sell parts and that'll cover quite the part of the price of new ones

[reef patrol]

Upgrade? No no. Toss out the old one, or give it to one of the kids 😄