🔌│tech

[sour folio]

whoopsies

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/ai-pc-revolution-appears-dead-on-arrival-supercycle-for-ai-pcs-and-smartphones-is-a-bust-analyst-says-as-micron-forecasts-poor-q2

There's AI and then there's machine learning

Everybody should rightfully love machine learning, it's incredible

What "AI" is nowadays is disappointing marketing

[analog sinew]

wait a lying bot isnt the greatest invention since fire

waow

[steady sail]

machine learning is a good stuff

[analog sinew]

can my gpu be cheaper now

[cursive summit]

Machine learning is our path to the future

[steady sail]

can i get a 5090 for 590$ :D

[cursive summit]

What Microsoft is doing with Copilot though, is borderline disgusting and not what we should use "AI" for

I only see the worth of LLMs in enterprise and professional applications

There's very little worth I can see for the casual consumer who for some reason wants a video summarized, with errors

I think there're interesting applications of LLMs in stuff like healthcare, stuff like software and hardware development

But seriously is shitty music and shitty image generation what we need?

[umbral heron]

https://xcancel.com/AuthorJMac/status/1773679197631701238

[cursive summit]

But you don't need AI for laundry or dishes?

It can take care of kids though

Maybe

I actually dunno about that one

[analog sinew]

yes we need ai to kill people

[cursive summit]

Can it take care of kids?

[analog sinew]

im calling luigi

[umbral heron]

Figure of speech I guess
Let AI do mundane tasks, so we don't have to do this anymore

[analog sinew]

yes

it can hit replay on skibidi toilet

[cursive summit]

Deep learning is only relevant in the professional industry imho

[umbral heron]

I mean it's really useful for generating boilerplate code

[cursive summit]

Not even boilerplate, it does whole code really well

You should give it boilerplate, in terms of instructions

Otherwise it just hallucinates lol

AI can really well fill out the rest, instructions are key

[umbral heron]

Fuck no.
I don't recall how many hours I spent into correcting and bugfixing code my coworkers just generated with AI and didn't bother to check
And I cannot make neither Copilot nor Claude to generate code when I actually need help with it

[lavish temple]

yo anyone know why when i try to buy the wooting 60he+ it just like rejects my order

[analog sinew]

yeah i'll hack into the mainframe and check

[umbral heron]

Check in your bank app/website, most likely you'll find reason there why it rejects the payment

[lavish temple]

in my bank it like when it pays it i just see 2 orders but it dosent get my money and the website dosent say anything like it just says no orders so

[umbral heron]

So it looks like something on the side of your bank blocks it

Otherwise if you managed to order it and it doesn't show up in the hub, it may take up to an hour until it refreshes, if you have confirmation in mail then you're good to go

[lavish temple]

alr well it confirms it but then rejects it so maybe with my bank but idk why with my bank since like everthing i buy it goes in

well i mean atleast it didint get my money so i mean its good like that i just have to talk to my bank ig

[umbral heron]

Maybe you hit daily/monthly transaction limit, maybe it needs 3D-Secure confirmation and backend doesn't request it to show up... Many things really

[lavish temple]

my card or the website needs 3d secure conformation

and you hit daily monthly transaction limit if you mean the website its my first time using it to buy the wooting and if your saying my card it dosent have a daily monthly hit so

idk if its my card or the website

[umbral heron]

I meant your bank's website/portal/whatever, there should be info why transaction was cancelled in notifications somewhere

[lavish temple]

okay can u tell me like how to check that

is it in my gmail the website

oh

okay look

This is not an accusation that your purchase is fraudulent. Instead, it means that the risk of potential fraud is too high. The characteristics of every order we receive are measured, and a risk score is calculated. Above a certain threshold, orders are automatically rejected.

it says that every time i try to buy it

its says its high risk of being fruad but whats fruad lmao

[umbral heron]

You have to either contact support then https://wooting.io/support or use different method of payment unfortunately

[lavish temple]

bro whatt

whats the other methods

well i already texted them they said 5 days or 3 sum like that welp that they well help me since like the holidays and stuff

alr thx santa cals

[lavish temple]

yo

i got a question

if i dont use shop pay

can i use google pay like is that the same thing or diffrent

so my card wont get rejected

[reef patrol]

Only one way to find out.

[lavish temple]

can i @ ppl for help

[ashen spindle]

no because people on here wont be able to know it

can only try it out and/or check with your bank if nothing works contact support

[lavish temple]

alr

okay it didint work so i have to send them a gmail since like nothing worked

[gentle osprey]

Any audiophiles here?

[lyric hatch]

Probably at least a few all with wildy varying opinions on what the best gear is

[gentle osprey]

lmao nah I just had a question about a piece of gear and my speakers for what cables I need

google isn't exactly giving me an answer lol but maybe im just dumb

[vagrant pagoda]

But 360 supports 8 controllers, and it should be xinput

[ocean jackal]

can somebody give me a good pair to go with the 9900x I have a 3060 right now

[wheat yacht]

Hey I wanted to ask do you think a 7950x3d will be massively bottlenecked by a 5090

[trim crane]

I wouldnt call myself one but I have a very strong appreciation for audio integrity and quality

[trim crane]

you could think about disabling the regular CCD and it will just be a 7800X3D with 8 extra disabled cores

probably not that bottlenecked tbh

also depends what you play

[unkempt lake]

No

[alpine patio]

how?

[trim crane]

does power over displayport exist

a 3080Ti for example

aka my gpu

because I wanted to see if maybe I can power my portabke monitor with 16+W of juice just through a DP cable

from my 3080Ti

if not possible maybe there is a PCIE 8 pin to USB-C that can act as power delivery when my PC turns on?

[sturdy raven]

Maybe what you're looking for is thunderbolt

[trim crane]

AM5

I dont have thunderbolt

i mean I do have USB4, but its the motherboard

[sturdy raven]

Check your mb specs if you can add thunderbolt card

[trim crane]

for reference it's the X870-I STRIX

it has dual USB4 40Gbps

[pale sigil]

Doesn't USB4 basically do the same as thunderbolt.

[sturdy raven]

I think so

[trim crane]

so, i could disable the iGPU and use it as power delivery for the monitor and plug it into the GPU for a DP signal?

[gentle osprey]

I got it figured out, thank you though, I appreciate it, will keep this in mind next time lol

[trim crane]

no problem but what was the issue?

[gentle osprey]

Was trying to figure out which Schiit device I could use for my speaker setup

and which cables I needed to do so

[trim crane]

oh I see, depends on the portability aspect, BP from badseed did a video on schiit

if I needed one probably the small pocket sized one would be for me

ill have another look tho

[gentle osprey]

Yeah I think that's the Schiit Fulla

thats a good one

used to be called the Hel

[pale sigil]

Can someone explain this to me?

On my tablet I can get gigabit over WiFi and a good data transfer but my phone is shit

I'm going to guess it's because a phone has a significantly smaller antenna?

Sadge, that probably explains why I wasn't getting more than 500 on my Deck

[unkempt lake]

Deck Oled has a lot of wifi issues iirc i saw a bunch of people have issues with those

anyhow going to bed cya people

[wheat yacht]

Bet thank you guys

[trim crane]

no problem!

7800X3D is generally 2nd fastest CPU so 7950X3D with a disabled CCD will be a 7800X3D basically

[pale sigil]

Pixel 7a so no but I can use my 6ghz channel

[analog sinew]

no but my memes are edgy

[fickle ore]

I cant handle the red names lmao, now everyone is Calder

[analog sinew]

[lyric hatch]

[fair gull]

it doesnt?

the 360 and 360 dongle both only have 4 controller support

you need more than 1 dongle to get more than 4 controllers connected to a pc

and iirc 5-whatever dont have any green light on and only work in games using gameinput due to the xinput limit

at least my 360 and 360 dongle both dont accept a 5th controller

[vagrant pagoda]

On 360 a few games support more than 4, but yeah you need wireless and wired

[charred nexus]

Damn

[primal musk]

Is titan army 32 inch curved 240hz monitor good

[trim crane]

it's a VA panel so I'm rather skeptical of it, grey uniformity, smearing/response times, pixel transitions, etc

[primal musk]

So good or bad

[primal musk]

I have no idea what you just said

[latent mural]

Never heard of titan army

[primal musk]

Well what’s a good monitor for 390 or less

[trim crane]

If you want a similarly kitted monitor that is 1440p 240Hz I would suggest an IPS panel by KOORUI, such as the 27E3QK

3 of my friends own this monitor and they really like it

[trim crane]

oh, well I wouldn't personally recommend VA

[primal musk]

What about MSI

Or alien ware

[latent mural]

Those expensive

Dell cheaper

[trim crane]

what currency btw

or country

[primal musk]

USD

[trim crane]

ah ok

[primal musk]

How about this

Btw 390 or less

[trim crane]

$390 USD is your budget right?

[primal musk]

Yes

[trim crane]

ah got it

[primal musk]

I might get this

[trim crane]

do you want 1080p or 1440

[primal musk]

What about the pic I just sent

…

[primal musk]

?

[trim crane]

one sec

[leaden kiln]

1080p on 27 inches is pretty low pixel density imo
You should probably be looking on rtings for monitors

[trim crane]

i was gonna say that yeah

i found a gigabyte monitor for like 250 USD

[latent mural]

What gigabyte

[primal musk]

I’m looking on amzone

[latent mural]

Gigabytes monitor are hit miss imo

The higher end ones really good panel, low end ones bad

I have 2

[primal musk]

I NEED A GOOD ONE 390 usd

[trim crane]

i sent in dms

idk if i can send links

it's 250 USD for 1440p 240Hz

[latent mural]

G series suck

[primal musk]

What about tuf

[trim crane]

lets see

[latent mural]

Honestly IPS monitor a gamble

[pale sigil]

Realm royal

[latent mural]

depends on the blacks

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-star-wars-memories-name-ben-kenobi-gif-4100026

[trim crane]

Hi Pleasant

can I send an amazon link here for a monitor

im not sure if I am allowed to do that

[latent mural]

What monitor u use

[primal musk]

But this look so good

[trim crane]

I use the PG27AQN

I saw the G274QPX by MSI for 350 USD

1440p 240Hz IPS

[primal musk]

I’m getting this

[trim crane]

do tell how you like it

[primal musk]

Thanks

It’s a good one right?

[trim crane]

iirc there is a review on monitors unboxed

lemme see

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-9gB-b8PkQw

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4wjNg5Q9yCg

[latent mural]

Life was simple when m32q existed

[trim crane]

Hopefully this can help you @primal musk

[latent mural]

There a similar gigabyte version

[primal musk]

Are you sure this one isn’t good

[latent mural]

One a flat one a curved

Pick your choice

[primal musk]

I like this one I just don’t know what the downsides are

[latent mural]

It’s curved

N va

[primal musk]

What’s va

[marsh pewter]

I wouldn’t go VA for gaming

[latent mural]

some panel with bad angle

[primal musk]

I just care about performance

[latent mural]

buy IPS

raw performance than TN but they look dog

[primal musk]

This?

Or

[trim crane]

VA is really bad for motion clarity

IPS now is very fast, affordable and color accurate

TN is cheap and super fast but washed out viewing angles

[latent mural]

Just get IPS n call it a day

VA good for movie ig

[trim crane]

G274QPX is a decent value

[latent mural]

Man back then monitor so expensive

I overpaid a premium for mine

[marsh pewter]

va is really good for color accuracy but besides that it’s just smeary and has bad viewing angles

[latent mural]

For my ips I use 10 bit srgb

[distant tapir]

Get CRT for free on your local marketplace

https://tenor.com/view/crt-rest-gif-16067324375446398218

[primal musk]

SO WHATS A GOOD MONITOR NOTHING LESS THAN 300 for gaming 240hz+ cmon guys

[marsh pewter]

open it up and touch the capacitors for fun

[latent mural]

G274QPX I just looked at review seem pretty promising

[cursive summit]

There are some IPS ones with 240Hz, check amazon

Don't buy a VA at that price though

[latent mural]

N curved monitor suck

[cursive summit]

Like this @primal musk https://www.amazon.com/acer-Monitor-FreeSync-DisplayHDR-W2bmiiprx/dp/B0C1T35BCF

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/acer/nitro-xv272u-kvbmiiprzx

[marsh pewter]

I would get the G274QPX

very good reviews

[latent mural]

Bro I’m fuming

M32q back then so expensive

[cursive summit]

What G274QPX are you talking about

This one does not seem very good

[marsh pewter]

that’s the g274qpf-qd

[cursive summit]

What's the difference, usually if it's just a single letter at the end it's like "oh that one doesn't have an USB hub"

[primal musk]

OMG THIS ONE LOOKS CRAZY GOOD

[cursive summit]

Eh?

It's not crazy good, just normal

[primal musk]

Bruh

Idk wtf to get

300 max 390

[cursive summit]

Any NanoIPS at your price point?

[reef patrol]

Or "This is with a Nordic plug"
(Also helps sellers hide price manipulation huehue)

[cursive summit]

If you want a good panel, try finding a aNanoIPS

[primal musk]

Nothing less than 300 max 390

[cursive summit]

You american?

(your name is literally America)

[primal musk]

This might be the one

[cursive summit]

Prolly just a rebranded Koorui

[marsh pewter]

bro just look at monitor reviews online

[primal musk]

I heard there really good

[marsh pewter]

rtings, monitors unboxed, etc

[halcyon moss]

32 inch is large

Don't expect a lot of detail on 1440p

[cursive summit]

32 is too big for QHD, 27 is perfect

[primal musk]

bro 240hz and good for gaming

300 lowest 390 max

[gray hill]

wooting bless my new setup🥰

[halcyon moss]

If it's 30inch, I'd do 4k.bit that's not really for gaming

[halcyon moss]

You live in grayscale?

[primal musk]

SOOOO?!?

[gray hill]

wha da hell is dat

[marsh pewter]

dude multiple people have already given you recommendations and you’ve just gone off to find something else on your own. look at reviews yourself and do research to find something for you. it’s not that hard.

[cursive summit]

Tbf this seems alright looking at Newegg https://www.newegg.com/msi-mpg-275cqrxf-27-qhd-240-hz-rapid-va-metallic-black-rgb/p/N82E16824475412?Item=N82E16824475412

Rapid VA which is better than the normal one, does need some colour tuning but it's pretty good

I still don't know what's the point of a KVM switch

I just connect all that shit to a PC, why'd you need that in your display

[marsh pewter]

if you have multiple computers

[cursive summit]

I guess for people that hate cables I dunno

[halcyon moss]

Laptop and desktop

[cursive summit]

Why'd that be in your display though?

Tbf I like that panel just for the USB-C

[ocean jackal]

Can I pair a 3060 with the 9900x

[analog sinew]

sure

why not

[cursive summit]

Dunno why they think they can't, 3060 is still doing just fine

Hold up it's slower than a Vega 64?

Ah that was just 3DMark, I thought it can't be that bad

[magic minnow]

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-uses-a-thick-dummy-silicon-that-comprises-93-of-the-ccd/

whole lotta nothing

[cursive summit]

@ashen spindle do you recognize the card model?

That is not a reference card I've ever seen, and apparently these are in new ads, peeps are thinking that's the reference design for RX 8000 series

Image search doesn't come up with anything similar either

[ashen spindle]

where is it from?

[cursive summit]

I've not seen a reference design with Radeon logo in top left

[ashen spindle]

doesnt seem familiar

[cursive summit]

AMD ads

That is a peculiar one

[ashen spindle]

first thought what if its some ai generated ad lol

[cursive summit]

Seems like a CoD ad maybe?

I can't find it with image search

Is this like brand new

That looks like a sleek design to me

It's on the main AMD webpage

https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/desktops/radeon.html

[sudden imp]

generative AI for AMD ads would be so effing stupid

[cursive summit]

What the fuck is that in the back

Logo is clearly top left, that's not an existing product

Is that a Pro card?

It looks like the RX 7900 XT reference design just that one has no logo that I can see

Idk, confusing and CES can't come soon enough

[lyric hatch]

Looks like the reference edition 7900 xt

[cursive summit]

That one does yeah, but the one in the ad doesn't even look like that

[devout raptor]

strix

[cursive summit]

Not a Strix I can find

[devout raptor]

probably not an existing card then

yeah its not strix

[cursive summit]

Tbf I can't verify the authenticity of the ad

Some lad just posted it on reddit

Saying it was running since at least mid November

[ashen spindle]

its so easy to fake stuff these days and optics are never something I cared about really

[cursive summit]

I think I've seen that ad but I can't find it with image search so

Bleh, cool card though

[unkempt lake]

Hiya

I guess we'll find out in a few weeks

[primal musk]

I bought one finally

It doesn’t give you the whole description but I looked into it and they got good feedback on yt tiktok reddit etc

[pulsar coral]

why u bought ips not oled?

[primal musk]

Oled more expensive

IF I HAD A COUPLE MORE 100 I’d buy an OLED BUT IM NOT RICH

It’s still a good monitor though 😊

[steady sail]

imo oled is nice but its expensive

but im more then happy with an IPS 1440p monitor

[karmic skiff]

Where va ppl

Am I all alone in this world

[pulsar coral]

i mean oled look amazing and refreshing 0.03 its very good

but its expensive

[steady sail]

i work in 3 shifts soo its pointless for me to get OLED

[cursive summit]

You are one of those people that look at raw numbers and buy the biggest one eh

Looking at that display, it seems to have ghosting and dark smear issues

Also, FHD? We literally gave you a bunch of QHD options all of which were better in image quality.

[leaden kiln]

u could also just like save for one more month if you don't need a monitor today

I'm thinking of getting an oled next year maybe, my current monitor is kinda ass

[pulsar coral]

what monitor u think is the top 1

rn for gaming

[cursive summit]

You do anything else than gaming?

There's some 500 Hz+ monitors if you are good enough in competitive games

If you play singleplayer there's plenty beautiful QD-OLEDs that are fast enough

If you like immersion there's gigantic ultrawides

It's not really a clear cut answer, what are your use cases

[pulsar coral]

i mean i have good pc but i wont have 500fps stable so i think about 360hz oled

what u think about tihs

i mainly playing fortnite comp

[cursive summit]

MSI MPG 271QRX would be fine for you probably

If you are not spending too much but enough for a good QD-OLED

[pulsar coral]

yea i was thinking about this or the one from dell

[cursive summit]

At least from what I'm seeing it's a top of the line model for 800ish rn

Which is a decent deal tbf

[pulsar coral]

AW2725DF

dell alienware AW2725DF what u trhink about this one

would u pick this or msi

[steady sail]

💀 this is the cheapest OLED monitor for 610 euro

AOC AGON PRO AG276QZD

[cursive summit]

Hmm, Gigabyte AORUS FO27Q3 is even more affordable and has better picture quality than the MSI one

[cursive summit]

Really good?

[pulsar coral]

but u would pick msi or dell?

[cursive summit]

MSI

[steady sail]

im fine with my 300 euro monitor

[cursive summit]

Same

[pulsar coral]

why?

[cursive summit]

I don't like Dell

[pulsar coral]

ah okey

[cursive summit]

Meh it seems to not utilize HDMI 2.1, not the best brightness, has VRR flicker

[ocean jackal]

can somebody recommend me a good gpu for 1080p gaming that is cheap

[ashen spindle]

check sites like rtings or tftcentral or review channels like monitors unboxed to make dicsions on monitors

[cursive summit]

Indeed I am basing my comments on what Rtings are saying

[karmic skiff]

New intel one is decent

[ocean jackal]

Can it run new games

[karmic skiff]

You said “good gpu for cheap”

If you mean graphic heavy games, you def need smth over $250

Well maybe not

[ocean jackal]

oh I meant cheap like under 300

[karmic skiff]

Depends on what fps u want

[karmic skiff]

Intel one is for you

Cheap and good performance for price

[ocean jackal]

What’s it called

[karmic skiff]

Idk search it up

Intel arc b580 or smth

It’s the new one that’s releasing

Watch ltt vid on it it’s got decent review there

[ashen spindle]

depends, in the eu its not worth it for the price

[ocean jackal]

can it out preform my GeForce 3060

[karmic skiff]

It’s rivalling a 4060ti

[ocean jackal]

oh ok I’ll get that then

[karmic skiff]

Oh mb then just go 4060

[ocean jackal]

how much is that

[ashen spindle]

are you in the eu

[ocean jackal]

What’s that

[ashen spindle]

oh god

[karmic skiff]

Same price

[karmic skiff]

Should we start running

[ashen spindle]

na school system strike again

[steady sail]

u dont know if u born in the USA or the EU

[ocean jackal]

oh wait

sorry my brain turned off

I’m USA

[cursive summit]

It's not a decent enough upgrade from that card imo

[karmic skiff]

Can I have your 3060 perchance

[cursive summit]

3060 to B580/4060 is not a decent upgrade

Wait for CES to see what Nvidia is doing for next gen

[karmic skiff]

It’s the only upgrade he can make in that price range

[cursive summit]

For now

[karmic skiff]

It’s a good upgrade

[ocean jackal]

I’m gonna sell it so I can afford the 4060 along with other parts

[cursive summit]

It is not

[karmic skiff]

And why not?

[cursive summit]

How's it a good upgrade? 4060 is barely better than a 3060

[karmic skiff]

B580 tho

[steady sail]

no

[cursive summit]

Not a good improvement in raw performance either

[karmic skiff]

4060 is 20% better

Ok listen, he asked for a gpu in that price range, I told him it

[cursive summit]

If you are buying a lower end card from a 3060, there's not a good improvement for you there yet, wait for CES

[ocean jackal]

I mean how much money would I get for selling a intel i5 12th gen GeForce 3060 prebuilt Lenovo motherboard 16 gigabytes of ram and a 500 80 plus bronze psu

[karmic skiff]

Some ppl don’t wanna wait

Condition?

[ashen spindle]

there is no point waiting for ces because the <300$ cards arent shown there anyway

[cursive summit]

Unless RX 8600

[ocean jackal]

Used for 1 year

very good condition

[karmic skiff]

Eh

500?

Maybe less idk

[ocean jackal]

as long as it’s 400

[lyric hatch]

Doubt those mid range nvidia cards will be coming out until at least mid way through next year

[steady sail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwBAsnf54V0 watch this LOL

[karmic skiff]

I should be 400

[karmic skiff]

Tldr?

[ocean jackal]

so what can I upgrade with that

[karmic skiff]

It’s 40 min I’m not watching that

[karmic skiff]

Erm… whole pc for 400?

[steady sail]

https://youtu.be/jwBAsnf54V0?t=2574&si=15wVznRMpsBdU5gw

[karmic skiff]

Tldr pls

[ocean jackal]

like the gpu

[karmic skiff]

It’s too long…

[steady sail]

i linked the TLDR

[karmic skiff]

Oh then maybe 4070 ti / super

[cursive summit]

They gave you a timestamp for the conclusion lol

[karmic skiff]

No I meant 4070

[cursive summit]

4070 non-S is still 500$ minimum brand new

[ocean jackal]

It’s for 1080p

gaming

[cursive summit]

What games

Valorant, LoL and stuff like that?

[karmic skiff]

Yeah tbh mb

Maybe amd gpu?

[ocean jackal]

Yeah a few high end games like cyberpunk and gta

[karmic skiff]

Ok then go 4070 id say

[cursive summit]

GTA5 is not a high end game but okay, quite the opposite

[karmic skiff]

Cyberpunk is tho

[cursive summit]

If you want to spend 400$, check if there's a deal on a 7800XT

[ocean jackal]

Oh I didn’t know

[karmic skiff]

Smart man

[ocean jackal]

can I get a used one

[cursive summit]

For 400$ your options are limited for a good upgrade, and the best option is a 7800XT or a 6800XT

[cursive summit]

If you get lucky

[karmic skiff]

Eh

[cursive summit]

RTX 4070 either version, Super or not, 7800XT/6800XT are all good

[karmic skiff]

Personally no

[cursive summit]

No problems with second hand cards tbf

As long as it's been taken care of and owner is upgrading, it'll work fine

[steady sail]

i bought my 6700 xt used its perfectly fine to this day

[cursive summit]

I went to Craigslist and if you are in, let's say Cali (I mean, I selected Cali, and it's showing Vegas for some reason)

There's a good deal right there

[steady sail]

tho 1440p is meh with it

[cursive summit]

Check Craigslist, if a card is sold for at least 100$ discount it's prolly worth getting

[ocean jackal]

Can I do 7600

[ashen spindle]

look up on youtube what the cards do in the games you want to play and decide based on that

[steady sail]

check the price of the 7700xt

[ocean jackal]

Like 400 dollars

[steady sail]

i mean i guess

[ocean jackal]

That’s in my budget

The one I found 7 dollars more but it doesn’t matter it’s 7 dollars

more then the budget

[cursive summit]

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5080-16-gb-gpu-first-to-launch-in-january-2025-followed-by-flagship-rtx-5090-32-gb-gpu/

Wccftech insists they got insider info

[ocean jackal]

I invested in nvidia 🤑

[umbral heron]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[steady sail]

imo the 5070 looks kinda nice

but its gonna be horribly priced

[cursive summit]

We'll see the reviews

[ocean jackal]

more money for my stocks 🤑

[steady sail]

but tbh im waiting for the 8800 XT more

than any ngreedia gpu

[umbral heron]

Nvidia: 6090 will cost $7500
Half of r/pcmasterrace: yeah, sounds reasonable
And then we have what we have

[cursive summit]

Rdna 4 is either a hit or a miss

[steady sail]

its works for me so i dont care

[umbral heron]

RDNA4 won't be anything special, just ray-tracing revamp
UDNA we should look forward to

[steady sail]

i dont wanna spend more money then 400 euro max on a GPU

[ashen spindle]

just because it wont have a top end sku doesnt mean it couldn just do a nice performance jump in the lower price classes

[steady sail]

maybe 450 euro

[cursive summit]

I don't see it being mid, either it'll do nothing or it'll be amazing value

[ashen spindle]

granted im not looking to go from a 4090 to a rdna4 card but for most people that will be the more interesting price area

[umbral heron]

Sure, but still, I don't expect much from it either way

Also AMD should really look into better ROCm support on their cards, official one, because right now it looks really pathetic...

[ashen spindle]

that will come to strix halo first

and it matters wayyyyy more in data center where rocm is miles better now

consumers using it is nice but a fraction of the usecase

[umbral heron]

Cool, but in Nvidia camp, every single GPU since forever had official support for CUDA
For AMD? Only 7900 variants get official support from consumer cards
Given they bundle their mid-/lower-end options with more VRAM than Nvidia, that'd give them a nice argument to win some of the users, but they don't even try

[cursive summit]

The gamer doesn't even know what a CUDA is

[unkempt lake]

may need a repâste

most people dont do that

[ashen spindle]

the cost to make that a prio just hasnt really been worth it so far

it is needed but for amd it sadly doesnt make much sense to prioritize that

[umbral heron]

Yeah, datacenters give them more bucks unfortunately

[cursive summit]

As long as AMD gives us existing card performance with new tech features + 200$ discount, I'll consider RDNA4 a big W

[unkempt lake]

I'm just really curious to see FSR4

Yea quin i know you dislike fsr

[lyric hatch]

You think you're getting a discount

[ashen spindle]

with halo they do have an incentive to put more resources into it so I hope they do

[cursive summit]

16 gigs of RAM and GRE performance for 350 and 7900xt performance for 500 would be very nuts

[unkempt lake]

Too optimistic

[umbral heron]

Unfortunately there's a big share of gamers who don't even want to look at the GPU without DLSS
No matter that FSR3 is really good too

[unkempt lake]

I mean... remember guys it's AMD. Overpromise Underdeliver

[ashen spindle]

for gaming cards they just need to have competetive flagships

[unkempt lake]

FSR3 is usable at 1440p+

[cursive summit]

Strix Halo is also a very interesting proposition, I want some megaNUCs

[unkempt lake]

Before FSR3 i found myself using XESS instead

Like in cyberpunk phantom liberty

Fsr2 just looked awful

No matter the setting i's set it to

[umbral heron]

I was happily using it with FSR3 in CP77 in 1440p and 800p, looks ok

[ocean jackal]

wait how loud is the 7800xt

[umbral heron]

GPU? I guess depends on AIB

[unkempt lake]

FSR2 looked so bad when driving around

[cursive summit]

Not loud at all

[unkempt lake]

I havent tried the fsr3 update tho

[ocean jackal]

ok Becuase I hate loud noise

[ocean jackal]

Is it under 20 decibels

Or 25

[unkempt lake]

Just make your own fan curve

[cursive summit]

You will be unlikely to hear it idle

[ocean jackal]

What about under load

[unkempt lake]

Most cards have zero rpm

At idle

[cursive summit]

With headphones you won't notice it on load

They quietly hum

[ocean jackal]

Without?

[cursive summit]

It's a quiet hum, barely a problem

[ocean jackal]

I know my 3060 is very loud so it will be way better in sound for me I’m guessing

[ashen spindle]

25dB is quieter than your sleeping room lmfao

[ocean jackal]

Then my pc will be silent then lol

[lyric hatch]

Idk how you make a 3060 be loud, guess just a really bad cooler or case airflow

Or both

[steady sail]

my gpu is quiet most of the time my AIO is loud tho

[ocean jackal]

This is why I’m upgrading

[steady sail]

yeah in that case your gpu is gonna suffer

u could just get a new case

[ocean jackal]

I’m upgrading to fractal north

[lyric hatch]

Is that an oem gpu?

Is it a blower because if so that's your reason

[steady sail]

yeah its looks like that

[lyric hatch]

Most oems still have blower style gpus

[steady sail]

a HP prebuilt

[ocean jackal]

well I’m changing all the parts except memory (getting wiped)

[ocean jackal]

It’s Lenovo

[steady sail]

whats your CPU right now and ram

[ocean jackal]

16gb and i5 12th gen

[steady sail]

its ddr4 or ddr5

[ocean jackal]

ddr4

[steady sail]

i would say get more money and go with ddr5

[ocean jackal]

I’m upgrading it to 32gb ddr5

[steady sail]

than why do you saving the ram ?

or u mean SSD/HDD

[ocean jackal]

I don’t mean that

sorry I read wrong

no im selling the old ram keeping memory I dont need to change it

[steady sail]

with the 12th gen i5 u used ddr4

so u gonna sell that as a whole

[ocean jackal]

Everything except memory

[steady sail]

what memory ?

ur 16gb ddr4 ?

[ocean jackal]

2tb I don’t know the model I don’t have my pc with me

[steady sail]

thats not memory thats storage

[ocean jackal]

b

I meant storage

[umbral heron]

You're changing from 16G DDR4 to 32G DDR5 and keeping all the disks

[ocean jackal]

I mean can I?

[steady sail]

u just said u gonna save ur 2tb ssd/hdd

[umbral heron]

Sure, why not? 12th gens do both DDR4 and DDR5s

[ocean jackal]

The cpu is switching to a 9900x

[umbral heron]

That's for gaming or workstation?

[ocean jackal]

Gaming

[steady sail]

9700x or 9800x3d better

[umbral heron]

Go for 9800X3D then, it'll be way better for that

[ocean jackal]

It’s all sold out

[umbral heron]

9900X has 2CCDs with 6 cores each, which sucks for gaming

[ocean jackal]

And re sell is too expensive

[umbral heron]

Then 7800X3D, still better for gaming than 9900X

[ocean jackal]

I’ll return the cpu when it arrives

[ocean jackal]

Should I get a 7800x3d or 9700x

[ashen spindle]

7800x3d

[ocean jackal]

So 12 cores isn’t enough for cyberpunk

[ashen spindle]

Huh?

[ocean jackal]

On the 9900x

[analog sinew]

its not that its not enough

[ashen spindle]

No the issue there is the cpu isn’t set up as good for gaming no

[analog sinew]

they are mit well suited

its like a car with 8 wheels

its not useful for the road

[ashen spindle]

The 9900 is 2 chiplets with 6 cores the 7800 is one with 8 cores which is better for gaming

[ocean jackal]

but would it run cyberpunk

[ashen spindle]

Yes

[ocean jackal]

ok that’s all I need

[ocean jackal]

atleast at 75 fps?

[ashen spindle]

It’s the second best gaming cpu after the 9800x3d

[ocean jackal]

Because my moniter is 75hz

[ocean jackal]

I’m talking about the 9900x

[steady sail]

just go with the 7800x3d

[ocean jackal]

I already bought the 9900x

I’ll have to return it

[ocean jackal]

that’s 4k

[umbral heron]

Thing is games need smaller latency
Communication of cores on one CCD is faster than between two of them
That's why 8-core CPU will be usually* faster than 12-core in gaming
Also v-cache makes quite a difference for gaming, that's what X3D CPUs have

Also the fact that games don't need much cores, sure they are multi-threaded, but most of them scale up well up to 8 cores anyway

[ocean jackal]

I’m in 1080p

[ashen spindle]

Yes so cpu matters in games even more than gpu

[umbral heron]

For gaming you want few beefy cores rather than lots of weaker ones
And 7800X3D/9800X3D have exactly that

[unkempt lake]

I say just

use it and dont bother with the hassle

time is money

[ocean jackal]

I am in 1080p anyways

[unkempt lake]

this is a waste of time

[umbral heron]

If you're spending that much money for the CPU it is worth the hassle

[ocean jackal]

if time ism inch is an ATM machine a Time Machine?

How did I mess up spelling that bad

[ashen spindle]

Lower resolution means cpu is more important than gpu

[unkempt lake]

Guy's been posting for weeks about buying stuff and not getting what people suggest, at this point he should just get his shit together xD

[ocean jackal]

can I run cyberpunk with it

[unkempt lake]

...

[unkempt lake]

literally

2 seconds ago

[ocean jackal]

I just need to know that

[ocean jackal]

That’s 4k

[steady sail]

AND

[unkempt lake]

you're gonna give me a brain aneurysm

[analog sinew]

4k is more likely to be gpu bound so cpu matters less. Meaning, the difference will be even bigger at lower res

[umbral heron]

There ya go, 1080p

[analog sinew]

cals

[unkempt lake]

i really don't mind helping i just... Bread please put some effort into reading what people post

[ocean jackal]

Thanks

[umbral heron]

CP2077 being quite CPU-heavy loves v-cache on X3D models

[ocean jackal]

Ok anytime I ask a question I’ll get straight to the point

and I’ll do that also

[unkempt lake]

i did notice a nice improvement going from the 9700k to the 7800x3d especially in dogtown

[unkempt lake]

Thanks, this will give us a chance to help you better

[steady sail]

i did notice the difference from the 2600x to the 5800x3d

[umbral heron]

I did notice an improvement going from 3600X to 7950X3D

[ocean jackal]

Also do I need to upgrade my 3060 GeForce to play this

I’ll switch to the 7800xt if I can’t

[ashen spindle]

No it runs just with lower fps

[unkempt lake]

In the rest of the game the 9700k was honestly keeping up well but dogtown would pin is especially with max crowd density

[umbral heron]

About 80FPS on medium without DLSS, 110FPS with, so... yeah, runs nicely on 3060

[unkempt lake]

around that roundabout section in the center of dogtown in particular

[ocean jackal]

I’ll be able to keep 400 dollars for this build then

Not having to upgrade the 3060 thank you

[unkempt lake]

what's your current cpu bread

[ocean jackal]

I5 12th Gen

[umbral heron]

You might want to upgrade in like year or two, but if you're happy with medium 1080p it'll last you for quite a while

[unkempt lake]

you know cyberpunk got a patch for intel 12-13-14gen performance right?

why not keep using that

and just... save your money

not like any big titles are coming out soon anyways

[ocean jackal]

Can’t it run more stuff then the i5

[umbral heron]

12600K holds up really nicely still

[unkempt lake]

an i5 12gen can still play any game out there fine

[ashen spindle]

it can run everything just not at high fps

[ocean jackal]

Can it run atleast 75 fps

[unkempt lake]

High enough fps for his card

The 3060

[steady sail]

its in your pc LOL

[ashen spindle]

just run the game and you know it?

[ocean jackal]

I don’t have my pc with me

[alpine patio]

i dont have your pc with me either

[unkempt lake]

then do so when you're home?

[steady sail]

[alpine patio]

joking no hate

[ocean jackal]

ok

[steady sail]

nah i had enough im out

[alpine patio]

just too good to pass up

but just check when u can

[gaunt palm]

Should i buy i5 14600kf if i have GTX 1060 6gb?

Now i have i7 3770

[steady sail]

u should wait till march or april

and build a whole new pc

anyway i cant pick between these PC cases
https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/pop/pop-xl-air/rgb-white-tg-clear/
https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/pop/pop-xl-silent/black-tg-clear/
https://endorfy.com/en/product/arx-700-argb/

[sturdy raven]

4090 humbled by cp2077 😭

[minor citrus]

fractal website shitting the bed just at this exact moment

[steady sail]

casual

its gonna sit under my desk

soo i dont care lol

[minor citrus]

I love my Fractal Torrent

[vapid tree]

north would be S tier if the top panel was fully attached

It's such a pain in the ass to deal with when cleaning or even coming in contact with

[steady sail]

yeah both Pop XL cases are like 100 euro's meanwhile North XL is 215 euro

yes

yeah soo Pop XL is good enough for me LOL

and for me the Wood design is not my taste

yeah the non XL north is 170 euro

[vapid tree]

the xl? that's a steal for 150aud

[steady sail]

im living in Hungary dude

[minor citrus]

finally loaded. you have a cat right? I'd suggest air then, less possible for cat hair to clog

[steady sail]

i have but he isnt near my pc at all

[vapid tree]

Damn. Got my h9 flow for 130 euros which already felt like a good deal

[steady sail]

my pc is on the floor

[minor citrus]

hm... less likely to clog with your hair?

[steady sail]

all my hair is in my wooting

[sturdy raven]

At least you still have hair to shed 😭

[steady sail]

[ocean jackal]

can somebody tell me if the RX 7700XT or the 4060 is better

[ashen spindle]

7700xt

[gusty kiln]

@sonic adder got a fairly noob networking question, but I have a spare usb to ethernet adapter. so I'll have 2 ethernet on my PC. I want one dedicated to internet and the other for nas transfer. How would I set this up?

[umbral heron]

B580 is worth considering

[gusty kiln]

that's it?

both are plugged into the router

acting as the switch

no

everything plugged into the router

hmm

[umbral heron]

If that's only NAS plugged in, then static address and route will be enough, no need for a router

[gusty kiln]

main thing is when trasnferring files, my DL speed is obviously bad

I wanted to do this

https://thehomelabber.com/guides/unraid-static-link/

but when I disable bonding, it breaks the unraid GUI

I have 2 ethernet on my nas

no I had all dockers and VM disabled

cuz you can't change the settings if they aren't disabled

I'm local atm

hmmm I do have a second router.....

maybe that would be simpler

[low mulch]

is wooting worth it

[gusty kiln]

both are only 1gbe
I just want my PC to have full speed internet and full speed transfer at the same time

[low mulch]

What does the recycle mean

[gusty kiln]

download and file transfer at 1GB at the same time

not often, but would be nice in those niche situations

mainly because I have the spare cable and adpater laying around

hmmm

[unkempt lake]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=wooting+review

[ocean jackal]

I have but I can spend more money for a better gpu

[gusty kiln]

literally just wait a month for new AMD and nvidia gpu

[ashen spindle]

no need to because those wont be in that price range

[ocean jackal]

Would this fit my fractal north? https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Speedster-SWFT210-Graphics-RX-77TSWFTFP/dp/B0CGMBYMY6/ref=sr_1_5?crid=XQSF9FF9QRXF&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.x2YoC-4UpLeCWhAlCW8ewo0p_JEaq_EIb025aa5pRWp_sqssQVhsYTSXWLLHzTC6vuIu42ydQMVrcEcBe-jF6q7bbUvFVGjyn1GB5EJfKtPrr5uFHyKPC7gOiJX1hm2T7ISPyeEmykZN-mzcSP4nSiwrQsn6XXtTpc2qsPECS3hK3D6Fb4BJZ-VogzTsUyxli4RSvTIN7D4P1Gjb2PFV-QbwhA2RvLwKk5UH0yHBK1I.VDtl9oEcullp6ti9mARJ7gapwx18rt0FcLlnkrDcM4M&dib_tag=se&keywords=7700xt&qid=1734832047&sprefix=7700xt%2Caps%2C265&sr=8-5&th=1

non xl version for the north

[ashen spindle]

yeah

[fervent mortar]

guys what headset should I get that is wireless and good for all games?

preferably in black

[rain quiver]

What do yall use to trim videos? You know since the photos app was purposely broken by microsoft thinking im gonna use/pay for clipchamp instead

[ocean jackal]

I’m on mobile currently but I’ve heard of metal tv

May be good

[rain quiver]

Nah medal is garbage

[ocean jackal]

just use some other app then

like

[rain quiver]

What do you think im asking for

[ocean jackal]

Use a video editor?

[rain quiver]

[ocean jackal]

can somebody give me a high end graphics card for under 450 dollars

[winter patrol]

https://youtu.be/NK29FEK58xQ?t=274&si=MYvCSXDFyNdq2WuI

[ocean jackal]

thanks

[ocean jackal]

So can I still run ray tracing on some games with the 7800xt

[winter patrol]

Yes but nvidia has the superior rt

[ocean jackal]

it’s fine then

[ocean jackal]

Also how much do you think I can make off selling a i5 12th gen 500 watt 80 plus bronze GeForce 3060 very bad small prebuilt case a prebuilt Lenovo motherboard and 16gb of ram ddr4

Used for one year

[winter patrol]

No idea, never dealt with prebuilts before

[ocean jackal]

ah

[rain quiver]

I mean it depends on the game but you'll defo have to be on lower resolutions and use fsr

[ocean jackal]

1080p

[pale sigil]

Are they mostly amd?

[winter patrol]

at this point of the year, yes, since the nvidia 50 series is about to be announced in Jan

[cursive summit]

Value wise AMD is simply better than Nvidia until you reach 4080S.. which I prolly would buy over the XTX

[umbral heron]

4080S is still 200€ more expensive

[winter patrol]

nvidia pretty bad value after the 4070 sti

[pale sigil]

4080s is ridiculously expensive

[vapid tree]

xtx is honestly good value when it comes to raster and even for some pro tools but 4070 ti super still seems like the more rounded package.

They're rather close in AAA games as well performance wise

[pale sigil]

The cheapest 4080s I found was £980 as of recently....

Nvm £875 but that's still a rare situation

[vapid tree]

1050euros @mindfactory atm which is just too much

[umbral heron]

Meh, am very happy with my XTX
Runs everything I want, can do ray-tracing pretty well too

[pale sigil]

Meanwhile an xtx 7900 was £680

[vapid tree]

It's a great card no question just a little too power hungry and amd hip drivers still not where they should be :(

[pale sigil]

But also vram

[umbral heron]

It's not that bad with power consumption either
Hovering at around 20~30W idle and ~100W in most of the games I play

[vapid tree]

In esports titles yeah, when rendering or even gaming higher end titles mine hit close to 400w stock

[pale sigil]

My computer is rough idle

[vapid tree]

Idle was worse around the time I had mine but glad they figured that out lol

[umbral heron]

400W? Doesn't it limit at around 350W?

[pale sigil]

My evening game sessions are costing me like £0.30-0.80 every evening lol (2-3 hours)

Me no like that efficiency

[vapid tree]

Founders ed might most aib models go quite a bit beyond that

[cursive summit]

Kinda yeah? But AMD value wise gives usually more VRAM and better raster than Nvidia offerings

[pale sigil]

And my idle power is just stupid

[cursive summit]

That kind of goes away with 4080S

[pale sigil]

With be rtx 3080

[vapid tree]

Nitro+ hits 430+ at times lol

[cursive summit]

Tbf the only card from Nvidia I would consider is 4070 Ti Super and up

Below that their product stack is kinda shit

And 4070 Ti Super is heavily overpriced, if it fell down like a 150$ I'd prolly buy it

[umbral heron]

I don't even care anymore
Power prices in PL are one the highest because our government loves to jerk off to miners' lobby, and our coal sucks too

[vapid tree]

4070 super is a great card as well especially now that the 7900GRE is gone

[cursive summit]

GRE is still available and still superior

[vapid tree]

Hardly available in most eu stores

[umbral heron]

It's EOL

[cursive summit]

?

So will 4070S with next gen launch lol

And I can easily buy a GRE right now, there's plenty of models available

[vapid tree]

"with next gen launch" yes but the gre is literally eol with most the cheapest model being 4070s price

[pale sigil]

What's gre again

[cursive summit]

4070S is also EOL

[vapid tree]

Depending on use case the 4070s is a better card

Still more widely available friend

[winter patrol]

golden rabbit edition, not kidding

[cursive summit]

It's perfectly available here

[vapid tree]

^

[vapid tree]

Good for you, not where I am

[cursive summit]

Chinese card that was brought to international market

7900XT silicon just a bit downclocked, really really good card

They fucked the VRAM bandwidth on it though, OCing the VRAM can bring a lot of perf gains on that card

[winter patrol]

matches the 3090 on 1440p, slightly slower than the 4070 ti

[umbral heron]

One's for sure, I won't go for Nvidia anytime soon
The headache I had with drivers both on Linux and Windows, both on 10 and 40 series...

[cursive summit]

It is usually faster than the 4070S or matches

With 4GBs of extra VRAM, btw

[vapid tree]

Drivers truly are horrendous and the new nvidia app just made things worse

[cursive summit]

Ah you said 4070Ti, well yeah GRE is slower than Ti, while also being 200$ cheaper

[pale sigil]

This tbh

I've always had to DDU Nvidia drivers.

Yet people complain about AMD

[winter patrol]

here's the stack on 1440p

[vapid tree]

It's mostly cause drivers back then weren't great and that's stuck in peoples minds, same thing intel will go through (most likely though they're doing great already imo)

[umbral heron]

Intel's drivers were amazing back in i915/Iris times, Arc just needs a bit more work on them

[winter patrol]

prev chart was missing a few cards

[vapid tree]

Yup! Recently got to try the a770 and besides 1-2 annoyances it was pretty much a smooth experience

[cursive summit]

Tbf I like how the previous one said 4070S was faster than GRE, which I took issue with, and this one says it's neck a neck, which it is

They perform very similarly, just the GRE is priced better usually and has more VRAM, it's the better card for longevity

[vapid tree]

In every game where vram matters longevity isn't a thing anyway

[cursive summit]

Yes it is

[vapid tree]

As these cards hit their limit when it comes to raw performance there

I'm sorry but I don't consider 30-50fps playable in recent ue5 titles

[cursive summit]

If you play in FHD you prolly don't care about VRAM, but that is a consideration in higher resolutions and also modded games

40FPS not playable is oof

[winter patrol]

depends on the baseline i guess, previous was based off the arc b580, and this, the 7900 xtx

[vapid tree]

for 1440p It's still not much of an issue and for modding It's a small amount of peoples it matters for

[cursive summit]

Unless Nvidia is doing some FineWine moments, 4070S was never ahead in perf of the GRE

[vapid tree]

Really depends on the game lol

[winter patrol]

yep wonder if tpu was doing different things in the b580 review

[vapid tree]

As shown in GN review and some others

[cursive summit]

Well yeah everything depends on games you play, for my games I play I'd far rather have a Radeon card

I also like the VRAM

[vapid tree]

TPU relative performance chart is a little flawed anyway GRE should generally be above

[vapid tree]

Good thing then! Sadly not the way for everyone which also doesn't make the other offering bad

[cursive summit]

Barely, 4070S is very competitive, I think it usually does better at FHD and GRE normalizes with QHD and up

I never said the other offerings are bad

Nvidia cards are great, but overpriced and bad value

If they knocked the price down a peg on most of them, except for 4060 that one is perfectly fine rn, they'd be great

[vapid tree]

Came over that way mb. Generally speaking I don't think nvidia's midrange is bad value besides the 4060ti (We don't speak about that card)

[cursive summit]

It's really a toss up between AMD Intel and Nvidia right now at 300 area

[vapid tree]

300 area is a mess at that price buying used is the best value

[cursive summit]

it's between 7600 XT, 6700XT, B580 and RTX 4060

[vapid tree]

or trying to snatch a 6800 non xt somewhere

[cursive summit]

And I have no clue which one I'd buy at 300 honestly

Intel does really well in some areas, 7600XT has 16GBs of VRAM, 6700XT has best raster and Nvidia's card has the best features

[vapid tree]

I'd go 4060 simply for resale value

Save up some more, sell 4060 down the line as nvidia cards generally have better resale value and get something better down the line

[cursive summit]

Idk, I like AMD's AFMF2 a lot but the raw performance of 7600XT is kinda lacklustre

Just waiting for CES to see how the market changes with next gen

[vapid tree]

Or go for the arc, 7600 xt is a meme that card is nowhere near fast enough to need 16gigs but 8 is a joke as well.

[cursive summit]

I play mostly oldies and indie games and Arc sucks there

I'm just praying RDNA4 is a value miracle like RDNA1 was, I still rock the RX 5700, it was just that good

[vapid tree]

I mean in that case the nvidia card is usually better since they perform a bit better in d11 and under from my experience

[cursive summit]

Yeah but unlike most people, I actually like frame generation and AFMF2 in my experience is really good

Especially when it applies to all games I play which would never get DLSS support

I think I can hear quintosh squirming in his seething hatred of frame generation and upscalers

[vapid tree]

Lossless scaling is an option, for older games a low response time monitor that supports BFI Is a bigger diff though I'd say

[cursive summit]

That one for me never worked well

[vapid tree]

Never tried it personally but heard decent things about it so not sure how it does in general

[cursive summit]

I did try AFMF2 on numerous games and it was frankly incredible, and I don't get how

It was more noticeably bad with "darker" games, but in brighter ones like Jurassic Park Evo 2 I could not even notice a frame gen was running

I tried really fucking hard to induce ghosting and could not, it mega impressed me

[vagrant plume]

hey guys my optimum's key caps and keyboard case is coming today hopefully, and i was wondering what could i do with my regular wooting case and keycaps any ideas? i want it to be a part of my setup

[lofty pivot]

wow this honey scam thing is crazy. They really built their own scam mafia over discount codes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc4yL3YTwWk

[umbral heron]

Ah yes, Noodle has already edited out their sponsor segments out of the videos

[lofty pivot]

it's pretty crazy how scammy they go. I don't even necessarily blame the youtubers who took it because it seems like a harmless useful tool if you don't realize honey is scamming everyone involved

[ashen spindle]

Willing to bet it also only started once PayPal bought them

[reef patrol]

Never had any use for it, because it appears predominantly US based, heh.

[lofty pivot]

impressively scummy to be scamming the customers, the advertisers and stores. The trifecta of scamming literally everyone lol

[shrewd cipher]

Mainstream Youtubers promoting scams? Paint me surprised..

[lofty pivot]

i mean, i don't blame them for this one. The proposal itself doesn't sound like a scam and it's useful and isn't a scam if honey wasn't secretly being insanely shady

i'm fairly sure at one point in time i had honey installed as well, back when it actually worked to find useful codes

[reef patrol]

Ah it steals affiliate codes. Not like I'd ever click a product link from a video in the first place 😄

[ashen spindle]

And iirc lmg started promoting honey before PayPal bought it

[shrewd cipher]

If a company out of nowhere starts promoting their stuff on every well known yt channel, that should ring alarm bells..

[lofty pivot]

yeah it steals affiliate codes, but then also hides codes from users if the store pays them, but then also threatens stores with losing money due to codes if they don't sign up for giving honey affiliate

[reef patrol]

Poor americans.

[lofty pivot]

they literally created the problem and solution and scammed everyone who promoted it at the same time lol

[fickle ore]

the perfect middleman

genius

[lofty pivot]

sounds like part 2 is going to dive more into how they're basically running a protection racket on some stores

if this wasn't all so unethical and scummy i'd be impressed with how evil and manipulative this entire thing is

[shrewd cipher]

I love to go with the "if its too good to be true" approach.. Always gotta remember how much money they spend on promo and how they are gonna earn that money back + huge profit

[lofty pivot]

this does seem right up paypals alley though. Similar to how they offer to convert currency for you in their checkout but offer you a bad rate to steal more money from you

[lofty pivot]

eh i don't put every big large ad campaign as a scam. It's just when companies overreach or get too greedy that it gets bad. Like blanket advertising is just good business when done properly because an ad only needs to make back the money they spent to be a net positive

[ashen spindle]

Honey did do advertising before PayPal bought them and it’s very likely only PayPal started these changes

[shrewd cipher]

If its a large ad campaign out of nowhere, where they spend a ton of money for a seemingly free service, u gotta ask yourself if and how they make that money back.. If they operate at a loss, they want to manifest some bs monopoly, or other shady stuff.

[lofty pivot]

If I were in the youtubers shoes i'd just assume "oh it's selling tracking data", which while it may hurt privacy, is not a scam

[alpine patio]

oh ya the honey vid

that was nuts ngl

worse than i thought

[lofty pivot]

i'm not very harsh on the youtubers falling for it because I could 100% see myself taking that sponsor deal and not realizing it was scamming myself and everyone else

especially since i've literally used honey before not sponsored lol

[ashen spindle]

Yeah if PayPal doesn’t spend 4 billion or however much it was you don’t need to cover as much costs so they could have done fine on just selling data and doing the stores working with them for codes without it being a mafia style

[lofty pivot]

yeah exactly. this is one of those deals where they weren't happy with making $10 million or whatever profit a year and wanted to make 100 million instead

so they went supervillain mode and distorted something that could have been a small money maker into some insane mafia add on lol

[ashen spindle]

The addon started 2012 and was only bought in 2020

And they did ad campaigns before 2020

[lofty pivot]

okay yeah they knew it would print money with the scams it seems

[fair gull]

not like i ever had any clue how honey was supposed to be free and "save you money". if its free and too good to be true its likely that youre the product

[reef patrol]

Advertisement, getting part of the commission or getting paid by sellers would be the three obvious avenues of revenue.

[rough osprey]

wow people talking about megalag video here :o

[reef patrol]

And having actual, verifiable purchases to sell advertising off of is pretty solid.

[cursive summit]

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-the-top-rdna-4-gpu-radeon-9000-new-branding/

No real good source, but.. what the fuck is that branding

Why skip 8000, why go with the tens instead of hundreds

Didn't AMD's drivers though leak 8000 series, wasn't it ROCm or something?

Tbf it makes sense if Halo is 8060S

[halcyon moss]

It's a browser plugin. Take a guesz

[cursive summit]

I think they skipped Ryzen 4000 series as well because 4000 was reserved for APUs and laptop chips, the few of them that released, and mainline family went from 3000 to 5000, sure it's a completely different department of AMD, but I guess it makes some sense

Are they also moving to the last digit in the single digit thousands cause UDNA will do something else with the numbers?

[ashen spindle]

Man why do you think amd marketing has any fucking clue or plan lol

[cursive summit]

I hope a multibillion dollar company has a good plan

[ashen spindle]

They changed the naming like 6 times in 11 years

[cursive summit]

Why are they not doing the only wise naming scheme which is what Apple does

Just call it UDNA 1

[ashen spindle]

We don’t know if they are

[cursive summit]

1 micro, 1 mini, 1 max, whatever

1.1, 1.2 if you love word or excel lol

I don't get the hundreds and thousands naming schemes

[ashen spindle]

Copying nvdia as the incumbent makes sense

[thick elk]

I was wondering what their business model was, lovely to see one that scams the content creator back though. Just watched it on my own.

Pretty savage, just wondering why companies like amazon don't kick them out of their affiliate program, after all Honey is pretty worthless as an affiliate, and costs a lot.

[marsh glade]

Ooeh this will be a good watch, thanks for sharing

MegaLag makes solid content

[cursive summit]

Casual reminder if you don't, you should watch CoffeeZilla for investigative journalism

[thick elk]

Alternatively making a naming scheme that complements their cpu's also makes sense either way consistency is key.

[cursive summit]

Not really? There's little overlap there, they don't launch around the same time either

I just wish that more companies would just start counting from 1

[umbral heron]

Copying Nvidia in this case doesn't make sense at all
They had a good naming system in place, maybe they should just shift some of their cards from X600 to X500 to match Nvidia
But wtf is 9070?

[cursive summit]

Is it cause they want a 9170 later on?

Nah just go with Radeon 1 or something like that

I like Apple's marketing cause I can actually look up their latest number and be like "well that's the current model"

M5 iirc, A18

[umbral heron]

Next gen after RDNA4 is UDNA
Perfect timing to reset scheme back to 1900/1800/1700, or U19/U18/U17
But no, because AMD's marketing is high most of the time

[cursive summit]

Meanwhile the GPUs are in thousands already

[cursive summit]

UDNA U1 would be nice ngl

Though it doesn't sound gamer enough lol, no X, no R, no "TX"

If they really want to do hundreds just do U1 - 100 (200/300/400), and then just flip the U to U2 for next gen

Actually good naming scheme, carry on for the next 99 numbers

[umbral heron]

U19 XTX, U19 XT, U19 X, U18 XT, U18 X, U17 X, U16 X

[cursive summit]

I mean, if they want they can do that, U11, U12, U13 for first gen, then U21, 22, etc, then U31, etc

Then roll it forwards to U101 akin to RX 200 series (Though that was R9, R7, etc)

They have options that make more sense than RX 9070 lol

[steady sail]

i cant wait for the AMD U12700 XT

great naming btw

[cursive summit]

At that point gaming display names start making about as much sense as that name

[steady sail]

i could see AMD Radeon U1900 GRE

or just U19 GRE

[umbral heron]

brb, off to get high on some high quality shrooms

[steady sail]

or something like that

[steady sail]

i have like 20gramm at hands

[cursive summit]

GRE is China cards so, meh

[steady sail]

still the GRE card are still great

[vapid tree]

4000 was also non apu chips but they all used last gen silicon I could see them doing that again with 8000 gpu naming

[cursive summit]

Very few though

[vapid tree]

Like how rx 580 was a 480 and so on

4000 apu's were all zen2 tho

[cursive summit]

https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2020-7-21-amd-ryzen-4000-series-desktop-processors-with-amd-.html

[vapid tree]

same with the 4500 for example

[cursive summit]

Ryzen 4000 seems inherently APUs and mobile chips

That's what I remember from it

[vapid tree]

4100 and 4500 were a thing

or rather still are lol

[steady sail]

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-5-4500.c2758

[cursive summit]

Meh, two weird launches still don't make that 4000 series anything interesting

[vapid tree]

4000 series was terrible, yet they're still selling zen2 silicon

5500 is zen2 also iirc