🔌│tech

[chilly folio]

game2render latency is different in frametime

forexample frametime measures how fast the frames are rendered

[ashen spindle]

60fps is 1000/16.66ms and so on

[chilly folio]

but game2render latency measures forexample u moving ur mouse until when its rendered on ur screen

[ashen spindle]

so that’s input to photon latency what you actually mean

That still doesn’t make a bigger difference then, the total difference is even smaller than the fps difference since you shave input of mouse etc. added in on that

So a 5% performance loss from x8 pcie slot wouldn’t even be 2% higher total latency

[chilly folio]

frametime -> smooth rendering between frames

game2render latency -> how fast ur input is rendered to display

[chilly folio]

5% worse game2render latency makes ur mouse feel way more sluggish than u think

[ashen spindle]

Im saying that 5% worse fps is less than 5% total latency

[chilly folio]

yeah correct

ah

well i dont see why u would want to make ur gpu go 8x instead of 16x

when u can work around it and avoid that

[ashen spindle]

You said the lower fps is not as important as the higher latency when the latency basically only changes the amount of fps that you lose

If your frametime goes from 16 to 17 ms your latency is 1ms higher and that’s all

In any esport game you are cpu limited anyway so it won’t even make a difference there and in a single player game nobody will notice the 5fps latency difference lol

[smoky frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERXwS5R4cYE

[chilly folio]

its even worse when ur cpu bound

[fickle ore]

TLDW; WHY?

[ashen spindle]

? When you are cpu bound then you will get the same performance on x8 since th gpu is mostly idle anyway

[chilly folio]

latency is worse

[smoky frigate]

480hz very low motion blur HDR, he loves it

[fickle ore]

34"?

[chilly folio]

go test it urself

if u dont understand that because ur cpu bound now, which means ram -> gpu vram is even more important, them idk

[ashen spindle]

From changing the pcie slot to x8? How when the fps stays the same

[smoky frigate]

27

[chilly folio]

man thinks fps = game2render latency ahaha

[fickle ore]

because increased bandwith results in slightly lower latency its just super low difference anyhow, marginal stuff really

[ashen spindle]

Bro I already explained you 3 times that’s it’s not the same

But the only thing the gpu adds in the latency chain is the time it takes to render the frame

[chilly folio]

then why dont u understand that at comp titles where u run 1080p low settings, that the latency is even worse on 8x because ur cpu now pulls so much fps -> its more important to run 16x cuz of the latency of ram to gpu vram

[wheat plume]

Why did my Fedora install have AMD GPU firmware and Nvidia GPU firmware packages installed????
It also had the amd microcode package too

I removed all that cause my laptop is Intel

[chilly folio]

the lower the resolution, the more fps, the more cpu bound = its even worse on 8x than if u played 1440p high settings gpu bound game

[ashen spindle]

Because you push so little data to the gpu anyway it doesn’t matter if it’s x8 or x16 since none of these are bottlenecks for the amount of data you push?

[fickle ore]

at given capped render fps, when cpu bound, the total latency is lower because the work is done faster on the gpu side. So a given complete frame latency is cpu + gpu even when cpu bound

8x vs 16x is like margin of error

[ashen spindle]

Pcie 4 is a full duplex bandwidth of like 4Gb/s per lane

If you render the frame info on cpu and push the data to the cpu the information moves the same and is basically down in a few hundred nanoseconds regardless of x8 or x16 if you have what feels like 50 triangles you draw in a CS scene at any given time at most lol

[gloomy linden]

the only time it is an issue is with the older pcie(3 I think) and newer gpu-s that use fewer lanes

[rough osprey]

just get the lg

[smoky frigate]

I'm not planning to buy a monitor, I'm still on my zowie XL2566k

[rough osprey]

oki

your eyes would like it tho

:D

[deft raptor]

For pcie 3.0 x16, that's roughtly 16 GB/s, double that for pcie 4.0 x16 : 32 GB/s and again ~64 GB/s

In order to saturate that pcie, you only need 2 ssds doing biggest file transfer

[polar dome]

Dutch stores scalping with their remaining 9800x3d stock. Such a pain to get one now 😔

[analog sinew]

they will come back

dont pay em

[rough osprey]

pay me

i dont got one but uhh

[wheat plume]

Seems I'm missing the gtk4 folder in .config
Wtf how do I get it back?

[analog sinew]

download it off a sketchy link

[umbral heron]

[ashen spindle]

smh linux always installing so much bloat

[pale sigil]

You need a PoE passthrough switch to power cameras right @umbral heron? A normal switch won't passthrough power?

Pretty sure mine won't https://amzn.eu/d/9szmrj7

[umbral heron]

Yeah, PoE or external power, pretty sure most of them wants 12V or 24V

108GP is PoE https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0CQHTR16P

[pale sigil]

Tbh I would consider this more TP-Link 5-Port Gigabit Desktop Switch with 4-Port PoE+, up to 10 Gbps switching capacity, 65 W PoE Budget up to 250 m Transmission, desktop or wall-mounting design, Plug and play, metal case(LS105GP) https://amzn.eu/d/0pHRSBW

It would be nice to have 10gb, unfortunately it is 5 ports only though.

PC
Router
Camera
NAS/Server

So already cutting it close

[umbral heron]

That's 10G switching, so it'll handle all 5 ports in 1Gbit full duplex at once

[pale sigil]

Oh

Oh ye I didn't read that oops

One day 10gb won't be as expensive... One day...

[umbral heron]

https://tenor.com/view/top-gun-pete-mitchell-maybe-so-sir-but-not-today-top-gun-maverick-gif-25846632

Although I don't see 10G being useful anywhere outside PC <-> PC and PC <-> NAS with SSDs

[pale sigil]

Well ye I want it for PC to nas

Or well server

But it's not really a priority, more a luxury.

Either way I'll probably get the one you suggested but I'll wait till black Friday starts.

[umbral heron]

Just that depending on how many cameras and other stuff you have maybe you'd want to get something more chooching more watts

[pale sigil]

Just 1 really, if I had another in the back it wouldn't be PoE as it's the other side of the house.

What I do need to focus on soon is a new router.... For mums sake I don't want to mess with the network here and I'd like a better router.

I found what I have now reliable af but maybe I'll consider something better as I stream a lot of moonlight.

[halcyon moss]

I Got this one https://eu.store.ui.com/eu/en/category/all-switching/products/usw-lite-16-poe

But yeah.. Different price bracket

[pale sigil]

Ye XD

[umbral heron]

180€? Not that bad

Bummer it's only 45W for 16-port one

[quick kayak]

How much would be valid to pay if i were to trade my 4070ti for a 4080super and threw cash on top

[unkempt lake]

Just wait for 50 series

[halcyon moss]

8 ports are poe

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-doesnt-plan-to-bring-3d-v-cache-like-tech-to-consumer-cpus-for-now-next-gen-clearwater-forest-xeon-cpus-will-feature-local-cache-in-the-base-tile-akin-to-amds-3d-v-cache

I.. really don't think that's correct?

Client revenue is pretty damn important for AMD, gaming is falling yeah, but Ryzen is doing fine

Data center is always going to be the big thing

[sudden imp]

The numbers look really good all things considered with global economies

[iron wave]

I have a really stupid idea that would abuse the USB C spec but could be interesting if implemented.

[tight dragon]

Anyone here familiar with PC’s? I have a few questions about it.

[ashen spindle]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[analog sinew]

that's a pretty broad topic

[steady sail]

don't be shy just ask the question

[tight dragon]

What are some good PC parts worth buying? (Sorry, I’m multitasking rn)

[steady sail]

whats your budget ?

[tight dragon]

Range is under 3K or so.

[steady sail]

And what are u wanna do gaming or productivity or both ?

[tight dragon]

Both

[steady sail]

usd or euro ?

[analog sinew]

for that kinda money you can get pretty much anything

[steady sail]

but yeah pretty much

[analog sinew]

4090+9800x3d + all the other shiz should come out to around 3k

if no monitor is needed

best pc money can buy rn

for gaming that is

productivity would be great too

if going for max productivity the cpu could be 9950X? or 14900K? but that'd be worse for gaming

if the 4090 is still too much 4080s surely fits

actually whats a 4090 cost these days

[steady sail]

uhm good question

[analog sinew]

wait why are they still 2000€

that can't be right?

huh

is AI really that bad

fucking shit

[steady sail]

yeah 4090's are still over 2k

[analog sinew]

crazy

[tight dragon]

USD

[analog sinew]

werent they down to like 1400 at some point after that whole chip shortage ordeal ended

oh well a 4080super can be had for 1k

much better value then

[steady sail]

yeah i guess 9800x3d and a 4080 super

[tight dragon]

I’ll keep that in mind. I was thinking on getting a 4070 once but I didn’t know which other parts would go great with it

[analog sinew]

sure you can do that too

we're just theorycrafting the max the budget allows

[deft raptor]

Wew, the cost of nvidia cards

[analog sinew]

completely understandable if you dont wanna blow that kinda money

[steady sail]

yeah insane and ppl still buying them

like a 4090 in Hungary cost a good used car

[deft raptor]

I think they buy these because RT stuff after consumming too much marketingwank from NVIDIA

[steady sail]

most of the buyers are ppl in AI

[deft raptor]

Ah, I get what you mean

[analog sinew]

i hate this fuckign AI fad

all these resources and shit just to make a tool that can lie elaborately

[steady sail]

can ngreedia just make a product line that focuses on AI

[analog sinew]

real world use for idiots but nothing else

[analog sinew]

they do

but apparently people buy everything else too?

[steady sail]

im happy with my AMD gpu's

[analog sinew]

yeah but they said they arent targeting high end next gen

[steady sail]

i dont care about high end stuff too much

[deft raptor]

I think my 5700x3d will be delayed because Canadian Post worker strike at this moment

[tight dragon]

I’ll look into this brb

[steady sail]

i just need a better gpu than what i have rn

[deft raptor]

For now, 5700x3d is close enough for top tier performance below these AM5 x3Ds

[steady sail]

bc in 1440p is not that great

[analog sinew]

9800x3d just released and is kinda sold out everywhere

[steady sail]

uhm not really

[deft raptor]

Oh yeah, if you had 6900xt, you probably can overclock hard well into 7900xt range

[deft raptor]

In gaming perf

[steady sail]

AM5 x3d's are still gonna be perform better

[deft raptor]

Yeah, I know but 7800x3d and 5700x3d are just I think 8 fps difference

[steady sail]

nope

[deft raptor]

Ah, how so ?

[analog sinew]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/builds/#c=1544,1613&g=567&s=41

[tight dragon]

Oh really

[deft raptor]

Yeah, it is. You could also check on amazon

[analog sinew]

yep. but they do come back from time to time when new stock arrives

I'm still hunting for one too ^^

but they make enough of these, no reason to pay too much rn imo.

[steady sail]

its cloose to the 5800x3d but not to the 7800x3d

[deft raptor]

Oh yeah, I messed up my reply. I should have said that 5700x3d is quite close to 7600x for gaming benchmarks

Unfortunately, I don't have much info about 5600x3d or 5950x3d

[steady sail]

there is no 5950x3d

[deft raptor]

Not on market but it did exist : https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-shows-original-5950x3d-v-cache-prototype

[steady sail]

yeah this never got released

and the 56x3d was a microcenter exclusive cpu

[deft raptor]

Not just in USA, but also in europe in a different store chain

[steady sail]

i said was an exclusive

grammar pls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awz_CG2320E this is how the 57x3d doing

its not great but nothing terrible

[deft raptor]

Oh derp, I was supposed to say 7600x3d, not the 5600x3d

[cursive summit]

Except unlike 7600X3D you can actually buy the 5700X3D

[deft raptor]

Mindfactory is the retailer for 7600x3d in europe

[cursive summit]

Who don't sell for consumers outside Germany

Mindfactory sells only to 1) Germans 2) European businesses

Not a normal peep like me lel

[steady sail]

i kinda wanna get my hands on that gpu but its 536 euro without shipping

[cursive summit]

But anyways 5700X3D is such an attractive upgrade for me who is still on AM4 I see virtually no reason to pay for AM5

[deft raptor]

Same price as I bought my 7900 gre

[deft raptor]

Yeah, I happen to be on AM4. So, I didn't want jump to am5 and deal with the hassle of selling off my old am4 with a 3600 because who buys that ?

[sharp badger]

https://youtu.be/Zue30tcu0mY?si=0zyGqyyguzkJOYP4&t=638 The 5700X3D got the best upgrade too from GN

The CPU i got is the ''Best mid-range CPU''

[deft raptor]

7600 ?

[sharp badger]

12700K

[deft raptor]

Ah, I guessed wrong because I have watched this video you posted.

[sharp badger]

Got 6000MT/s CL30 DDR5 so just need to upgrade Mobo/CPU if i want

Also haven't played anything since the 25th of October lol

[deft raptor]

Actually, with pcie5, I am wondering if that's a sane idea to turn the ssd in that slot into a ramdisk ?

Hmmmm nah, it is missing too many things to make it work.

[ashen spindle]

is that some crypto scam

or the good old mlm of other shit stuff?

[unkempt lake]

looks like some spam

@glacial skiff

<@&1098943457654997093>

[balmy vector]

I see

[deft raptor]

[glacial skiff]

Not pinging me

[unkempt lake]

sorry average gamer

[cedar fog]

I did nothing moderators don't ban me

[glacial skiff]

Lol all good

[unkempt lake]

i was trying to ping mods lol,

[glacial skiff]

Happens in every server I'm in tbh

[deft raptor]

lol, yeah his name starts with moderat...

[magic minnow]

Kinda wanna get this mini itx

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B650I-AORUS-ULTRA#kf

over the mATX I ordered

[rough osprey]

bc of low price?

[magic minnow]

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B650M-AORUS-PRO-AX-rev-10-11#kf

They're basically the same price :c but the mini has 3 nvme slots

[analog sinew]

i like big mobos and i cannot lie

[magic minnow]

big mobo cool but wanna downsize my case ;-;

[balmy vector]

My ATX can’t deny

[unkempt lake]

what about E-ATX

[balmy vector]

Wouldn’t mind trying an eatx build

[unkempt lake]

I could fit an E-ATX in my case

its like... giant

meshify 2xl

[balmy vector]

Pretty sure i can too

[deft raptor]

My case can't use E-ATX lol

[pale sigil]

ITX is justice.

[lyric hatch]

yeah just gimmi something I can bring with me on my carry on

[pale sigil]

Wait, when did you become mod.

[lyric hatch]

[balmy vector]

[pale sigil]

[rough osprey]

everyone mod

oh no

[unkempt lake]

moumou mod

Yall cant say no to her

empress moumou role when

[magic minnow]

Wowowow new case size

Mega tiny

[spiral plume]

I got something useful for testing out stuff

Before i was just throwing stuff and hoping it holds itself in place lol

But this was 1/4 of my budget at the time so...

[quick kayak]

would a 4070ti + $300 be worth it for a 4080s

[unkempt lake]

#🔌│tech message

i replied to you 10 hours ago

[quick kayak]

thats like a 2 year wait

when this deal upon me is available

[crisp granite]

wouldn't, personally

[little silo]

FE?

[quick kayak]

asus pro art oc

im trading my 4070ti and throwing cash on top for the 4080s

no

[crisp granite]

that's an even bigger no

just enjoy that 4070Ti and put that money towards the GPU you'll get in four years

[quick kayak]

but but is 4080 super

okay valid

[crisp granite]

I have one, a 4080S
trust me, the 4070Ti is just swell

I wouldn't pay 300 bucks more for the 4080S

[quick kayak]

okay thank u i wont doi it

[magic minnow]

4070ti or ti super?

[crisp granite]

I have a 4080S

[magic minnow]

You tricked me!

[crisp granite]

and in retrospect
I wouldn't pay 300 bucks more
for one

over a 4070Ti

even for like
really high res or refresh rate gaming

[crisp granite]

how so?

your inability to read doesn't count as me "tricking you" btw

[magic minnow]

[alpine patio]

[magic minnow]

just gotta wait till the 30th to get my motherboard

[neat trail]

How to delete profiles

i swear if i have to re-save the profile i use after every pc restart , ill throw the keyboard to the river

[steady sail]

u can move the profiles

@neat trail

[reef patrol]

Tsk... still stuck on V4, Ak? 😄

[steady sail]

nah i use both

[reef patrol]

For the modern enthusiast. Move whichever profile you want the board to boot into to slot 1

[neat trail]

i dont have quick settings im using the app

[reef patrol]

So get the beta app.

https://wooting.io/wootility/changelogs/5.0.0-beta.2

[neat trail]

ok will try. why we cant just delete profiles ffs

[reef patrol]

Because that's something not implemented till V5.

[spiral plume]

maybe at this point you could get a amd radeon rx 7900XTX if you don't want to wait january for the 8700XT that is even more stupidly powerful for like 500 bucks

they are both powerful card in the budget you seem to have

[ashen spindle]

we know neither price no perfromance for next gen cards at this point

if anything most things point towards amds options not being beating out the 7900xtx

[analog sinew]

yeah they kinda set the expectation already

5090 will be ungodly expensive cause AI

so i hope the 5080 is an ok buy

[slender frigate]

Im thinkin of getting an 8k wireless mouse, but i really cant decide which one i should go for

[steady sail]

and im just thinking about gettin a 3090 for 550 euro

[wild coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-hold-up-meme-fallout-meme-gif-3737350009659669155

I'm not sure that's how it should be

Steam, FH5 being with Discord altogether

[ashen spindle]

Overlay or integration or if you start it via that etc or it’s just showing wrong

[wild coyote]

Overlay is off

I'll force Discord to use my second gpu ig

[ashen spindle]

Why though

Does it cause any issues or is just a funny task manager showing

[wild coyote]

I don't know, but considering I'm using hardware acceleration on Discord, might as well put it on my second gpu

Less use on my primary

[slender frigate]

hmm u got a point there

[steady sail]

i mean it would be a good upgrade for a few years

[halcyon moss]

A browser uses acceleration

Discord is a browser

[thick elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3FIXQwMOA4

Hardware Unboxed editor appearing on video, even if this point has been beaten to death, great way to make the point about cpu testing.

[deft raptor]

When I got my 5700x3d, it was from SZCPU aliexpress vendor

[midnight pecan]

Does anyone know if wooting will release a two he white module and case so I can make a completely white keyboard?

[steady sail]

maybe in a future but not at the moment

[midnight pecan]

Okay thanks

[steady sail]

but, in my opinion they not gonna do that

[hasty thunder]

damn it... Another Steve

[midnight pecan]

Yeah probably not, maybe someone will make one that’s compatible eventually

[analog sinew]

also unlikely

but you can paint the case, people have done that

[vapid ruin]

very noice

[vapid isle]

how many herz does the 60 HE + Module have

and can i use the jade switches with the 60 HE+ module

[sudden imp]

Yes

[sudden imp]

And do you mean polling rate if so, it’s 1000

[vapid isle]

ok thank you

[vapid isle]

ok

[mossy prawn]

Anyone uses bluesky and can recommend a good client for iOS?

[ashen spindle]

the default one

[sudden imp]

what is bluesky??

[vapid ruin]

Alternative to twitter/X

[sudden imp]

ok

[halcyon moss]

No musk

[ashen spindle]

no musk, doesnt take your posts as input for their AI, doesnt randomly censor your stuff because the clown ceo dislikes you etc.

[crimson wigeon]

Yes instead other corpos harvest the posts for AI

Who cares if it's on the publicly viewable internet it's gonna be used for training AI, get over it

[ashen spindle]

well yeah its not why I'm switching over, it's just another point

[sudden imp]

I hate AI

(in a very respectable way as I find the majority of implemenations it has had to be useless features I disable later on)

[vocal forge]

Good evening guys. I was wondering if there is somehow a way for me to access the arrow keys without having the arrow keys on my keyboard. I have a wooting 60HE. Can i set up a key combination that allows me to alternate between "layers/masks"? i would be very thankfull.🙏

[sudden imp]

YES! there is a youtube video

[vocal forge]

YAY

[sudden imp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCn51ys1CAg

I think it's this

if not someone will correct me

[vocal forge]

Thx i'll watch it right away

[ashen spindle]

I'm switching over to bsky because friends are and I also dont need right wing spam bots, porn bots and propaganda in my feed because muskrat feels like he needs to be on a powertrip because his daugther doesnt love him

[deft raptor]

I kinda wish that I could swap FN layers in Wootility

[ashen spindle]

you mean switch whats on FN1 vs FN2?

or what exactly

[vocal forge]

Yes! it worked! thank you 💪

[deft raptor]

Like swap FN1 and FN2

[steady sail]

just put FN2 to FN1

[deft raptor]

Alright okay, last thing there's no way to add a name to function layers in the config ?

[steady sail]

nope

[deft raptor]

Aw, alright then.

[analog sinew]

i cant stand ai for that reason

some stuff its decent at but its sold as some super solution it just is not

but everyone goes along with it for some reason

[sudden imp]

That’s the crazy part

[crimson wigeon]

Oh yeah it's really strange to see when people have toruble with something they ask AI and take whatever shit it hallucinates as the truth

But whatever, AI is just a buzzword that everyone has to have to be cool and get funding now, it sucks but that's just how it is for now.. in a few years there will be another buzzword

[sudden imp]

IA

[vapid ruin]

Aiyaa

[analog sinew]

yeah but everyone makes AI tools, AI pcs, AI apps and i'm just wondering who wants that

[sudden imp]

AI does

This is the start of skynet

[rough osprey]

where is my ai keyboard

[magic minnow]

Ai motherboard cooling

[vapid ruin]

They need to make better AI waifu. Stop reducing data on pretrain to give the AI more range of emotion.

[magic minnow]

For ai chat bots?

[analog sinew]

or not make something that dystopian

[vapid ruin]

Yep

[magic minnow]

I feel like those are gonna mess up generations to come

[analog sinew]

cant wait till the ai gaslights people into bad decisions

[magic minnow]

I think it has

[analog sinew]

yea

[magic minnow]

Already

[analog sinew]

but not at scale

[vapid ruin]

it already has to some extent

But since most AI wanna be like chatgpt/claude, it wont be impossibe for most chatbot to become souless, extracting as much information from user while being only partially useful product.

[analog sinew]

im getting two different pc/phone ads

both with some ai bullshit

its actually insane

WITH GEMINI!!!! mmh yeah glue pizza AI take my money

[balmy vector]

AI VRMs

[steady sail]

i want my AI PC case

[magic minnow]

Ohhh Ai RGB!!!

[steady sail]

and my AI AIO

[vapid ruin]

AI speaker

actually. AI cable

[vale vale]

More rgb = More fps

[sudden imp]

https://youtu.be/88tomTgkYCA?si=b5MXjyZ41XrpfEuv

Had a lot more faith in the case

Seems to not be as strong of a case a lian o11

[reef patrol]

It looks plastic cheap.

[magic minnow]

Hurry guys!

[balmy vector]

Might repaste the laptop

[bright briar]

https://tenor.com/view/xrd-exrd-crypto-btc-eth-gif-23801255

[mild dome]

For the 9800X3D, what cooler do you guys think is the best, I am getting a range of answers from single tower coolers allllll the way to 420 AIOs.
I think ideally I just want something that prevents thermal throttling with the lowest amount of noise generated as possible.

[rough osprey]

420 AIO is crazy

[mild dome]

I know right?
but people still put it there as a recommendation, so I presume they run quieter

[rough osprey]

theoretically ig

[gusty kiln]

almost go passive with a 420

0 db mode

[rough osprey]

pump still gotta run...

although i can run my 7800x3d pretty quiet with a 360mm

and the 9800x3d is supposed to be easier

[rough osprey]

having no noise from gpu is much harder

[gusty kiln]

peerless assassin still best price/perf for AM5

[rough osprey]

why they all so bad

[gusty kiln]

cuz 7700X not the 9800X3D

running blender

[magic minnow]

I got the Phantom Spirit se

[gusty kiln]

7___X series ran hot

[rough osprey]

like 200w

does normal 9xxx run cooler?

[gusty kiln]

a little

but the 9800X3D is way cooler because of the new way of stacking the v-cache

peerless assassin should keep it really quiet even under load

[rough osprey]

ye

dont know when im gonna get one

ocing it seems nice

although need new gpu first

[deft raptor]

Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 is enough to cool something that gives out 120w of heat while being less loud than many cpu air coolers

Now, with minor undervolting. It gets easier to cool while having better boost time

Lastly, 9000 series cpu should have better efficiency than with 7000s

[mild dome]

I got the 7900 XTX with a 5950x
I think in theory I could go for a 5800x3d (or the 5700x3d now that the former isn't sold), but I can't help but look hungrily at that 9800X3d

Amazing how such a cheap cooler manages to top the charts
It truly was, A Peerless Assassin

[unkempt lake]

I bet you're not even remotely cpu bottlenecked

Upgrade not needed in your case

[mild dome]

It seems that some of the games I plan to play like Cyberpunk would appreciate the vcache

[unkempt lake]

I ran my 7900xtx with my 9700k for like a year before i decided yo upgrade to a 7800x3d

Yeah cyberpunk made that 9700k squeal lol

Since the 2.0 update

And PL

In non PL areas it was fine

[balmy vector]

Finished repaste, happy with the result

[mild dome]

Good job!

https://tenor.com/view/thermal-paste-mother-board-cpu-gif-17616659

[balmy vector]

Perfection, only the best of course

[unkempt lake]

Why did you have to repaste

You've had the x3d for like

3 months

Thermal paste doesn't go bad in 3 months

[magic minnow]

for their laptop I think

[balmy vector]

Laptops factory paste got super toasty even in gaming

[wild coyote]

Mmm the smell of turning cpu with copper mmmm

[deft raptor]

Oh yeah, I remember making my old laptop Thinkpad T430 shutdown from overheating while trying to play a long video or play any video games

[bright briar]

congrats on mod

[sage crag]

hello, its me again, my keyboard still get random disconnect, I plugged in usb 3.2, even try usbc but nothing works. And I email the customer service, but no reply for a week already

[cedar fog]

if you're using 80he try to swap to 1k polling for the time being

[sage crag]

how to do it?

[rough patrol]

Turn off tachyon mode

You could also try lowering rgb (or turning it off entirely)

[sage crag]

1Kpolling switched

where is tachyon mode locate at?

[cedar fog]

just try the 1k polling for now

no need to do both

[sage crag]

okay

[stoic jetty]

Does Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut work?

[lost carbon]

What the hell is that

[reef patrol]

Thermal paste

[umbral heron]

Hellmann's to be exact

[old marlin]

liquid metal thermal paste

[rough patrol]

Sorry only hellmans thermal mayo

[old marlin]

only works with AM3 tho

[stoic jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/mayo-mayonnaise-satisfying-hellmans-real-mayonnaise-gif-23998737

[rough patrol]

😋

[latent mural]

best wooting settings for fort?

[reef patrol]

#🌈│wootabase_profiles

[primal nymph]

ill get a pearless assasin then atach the two noctua fans i use now that i have on my aio iits gonna fly

[primal nymph]

thermal paste the best on i use it

[stoic jetty]

I doubt you use Conductonaut

[steady sail]

im perfectly fine with arctic mx6

[umbral heron]

I still have a big tube of MX-4

[stoic jetty]

Kryosheet

[old marlin]

The IHS is better

Easily

The TIM might be worse

[jaunty marsh]

how often should i re paste?

[old marlin]

depends on what you used

"good" paste can last 6 years without issues

[umbral heron]

Once you go "oh shit, I should probably change paste on it"

[old marlin]

some might want a repaste every 1 or 2 years

"good" = actually good + deisgend for longterm use

cryonaut for example is good but not made for longterm use

most of the high end stuff (aka like mx-4, noctuas etc) is made for long term use tho

only really matters if you notice higher temps etc tho

[final flame]

if your temps are fine, there's not much reason for a repaste

[umbral heron]

MX-4 is high end? That was one of the cheapest I could get that weren't obviously made out of Chinesium

[misty matrix]

it is covertly made out of chinesium

[final flame]

I mean, chinesium paste works alright
I'm using the stock paste that came with my phantom spirit

[old marlin]

I'd consider it to be "high end" considering how much crap is out there

[jaunty marsh]

yeah my old pcs paste was dried up

after a year

[deft raptor]

My cpu is getting hot, probably the old paste is now dry and needs to be repasted but fuck it when my new cpu will arrive in 1-2 weeks

[jaunty marsh]

how can i fix my gpu temps

[deft raptor]

Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 comes with good thermal paste, including other fan variants

[jaunty marsh]

yeah that fan is goated

[umbral heron]

Nono, I mean the one that comes with those small sachets or no-name tubes, where oil straight-out separates out of it

[jaunty marsh]

for the money

[deft raptor]

Seriosuly ? I never had that happen to me.

[umbral heron]

Disassembling, cleaning, slapping some PTM7950 here and there, should work well

[jaunty marsh]

its brand new

its just annoying cause i cant play some games for a couple hours without it crashing and needing to wait for a while

[umbral heron]

I got one sachet of it, when I was buying some old Intel CPU for my ThinkCentre, it was literally like these oil sachets from instant noodles

[umbral heron]

That's weird... What AIB you got?

[old marlin]

3090 moment

[halcyon moss]

crashing? turning off?

could be psu as well

[umbral heron]

Speaking of PSU I'm not really sure if I should swap mine to more powerful
Already have new GPU for month and a bit and there were no issues with powering it at all

[steady sail]

like how hot is your gpu ?

im still watching this gpu maybe

[steady sail]

i mean thats sounds fine to me

[ashen spindle]

Let hwinfo or whatever equivalent on Linux running and see how high the software sees the spikes

It’s not as accurate as a wall plug but will be enough to roughly gauge if the psu is fine or not

[steady sail]

or if thats deal doesnt go well im just gonna get this 6900 xt

[umbral heron]

I mean it didn't turn off or even whine at all under full load so...
Can you somehow simulate power spikes? Be it on Windows or Linux, I have Windows instance anyway for all firmware updaters and RGB stuff

[reef patrol]

Start Furmark?

[old marlin]

doesn't give you transient loads if that was meant with power spikes

in general I would not recommend you to simulate transient loads for the fun of it tho

[reef patrol]

I'mma slap you with a dictionary, and then go to the page on the word "joke"

[old marlin]

?

I mean "power spikes" can mean a lot

[deft raptor]

Sadly, typical computer PSUs doesn't have pmbus to get the total wattage consumed from psu. Somewhere, there's a website that helps calculate the total wattage consumed by searching components and adding them in.

[old marlin]

furmark would give you high load

which could be power spikes under normal scenarios

but transient loads are worse and harder to test

[umbral heron]

I mean I was gaming on it every day, and it didn't turned off, it didn't do anything weird, so I guess it's fine

[old marlin]

probably

but it could also be that you never played a game that had especially bad transient loads

with like a 2d menu at uncapped fps

which gives you like 8k fps or something

[reef patrol]

I was making an (to me) obvious joke, and you took it seriously 😄

[halcyon moss]

hands mansen a /s

[reef patrol]

Never! That is reddit speak, and I shant stoop so low.

[ashen spindle]

Voltage spikes are easy to do in windows with the mouse cursor xD

But power spikes idk

Idk if software can even read out the power spikes on the output side of the psu

[umbral heron]

I did for few games before getting into settings, GPU was whining like crazy, but still worked as usual

[old marlin]

nope

I tried measuing transient network loads before

requires special equipment

[jaunty marsh]

90C

[fair gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlS3FOmKUbE

very interesting video

[rough osprey]

i cant even reach 500w

😔

[stoic jetty]

tldr: everyone go buy ax1600i

[umbral heron]

I have 700W and it's seemingly enough for my box

[fair gull]

yes everyone lets buy 1000W+ for no reason

[balmy vector]

https://tenor.com/view/power-starwars-unlimited-power-gif-15939349

[unkempt lake]

Run some cpu heavy stuff in the background while playing a game

Also idk if you have dead island 2 but that game was able to help me figure out I had an issue with my UPS lmao

I'd get shutdowns but not because of my PSU lol, I needed a new battery in my UPS despite it reporting as "fine" in the software, passing the manufacturer's stress test and being fine in literally every other load

[reef patrol]

Get an old build of Starcraft 2, where they removed the FPS limiters in the engine 😄

[unkempt lake]

Dead island 2 would just cause shit to turn off when plugged into the UPS lmao

[reef patrol]

Dear Blizzard - Why is the main menu melting my laptop?

[unkempt lake]

Thought it was the psu at first but no it was the ups lol

[umbral heron]

I did both stress tests for CPU and GPU at once as well as gaming and compiling at once, so...

[unkempt lake]

Then i'd say you're probably fine

[cedar fog]

I loved dead island 2

that game fucks so hard

it's underrated I feel like

[ashen spindle]

If you want to get the worst case spikes running a cpu load while gaming is not a good idea, the worst will be gpu spikes and if you add more load to cpu it takes load off the gpu

And if you don’t want load spikes just max continuous powerdraw just add tdp values

[unkempt lake]

Playing dead island 2 is the solution

This game does some weird shit

dark magic

Literally the one game that'd magically make my UPS go nuts and my PC shut off and I play a lot of games lol

Swapped out the psu same shit (needed to give my 860w to nico anyways cuz his psu was too weak for my 2080 and it was well at the time where i upgraded to the 7900xtx)
Tried without the UPS magically works fine
Swapped the battery in the UPS all fixed

Which is really strange because... it worked fine when playing anything else or running max load on the cpu and gpu at once. Battery reported as fine, stress testing it was fine, could unplug the power and be fine on battery, was a 1000w ups so plenty for the system.

Lol

So yes dead island 2 is dark magic

Also know someone else who had dead island 2 trip their psu cuz of transients lol

At least i assume its transient loads

Tbh I have no idea, this is some crazy shit lol i thought i was going crazy

[umbral heron]

I have played a total of two (2) hours of DI2, it was just so boring...

[unkempt lake]

It can be a bit slow at times

[cedar fog]

the beginning is definitely the worst part of the game

the starting zone is just kinda ass

it's also significantly better depending on which character you choose cause voice lines play a huge role

then solo is always more boring than co-op

[umbral heron]

How and more of why would you want to make a game about decimating zombies slow and/or boring?
I don't care about the same cookie-cutter story I saw 50 times, I don't care about missions or whatever, I just want to get a wrench and massacre zombies

We were playing co-op

[cedar fog]

I never thought it was slow I just min maxxed a katana

and started slicing everythings limbs off

it was beautiful

[reef patrol]

Easy - Add a crafting system that forces you to constantly craft new steel pipes, because someone zombie flesh and bone breaks them. 😄

(ranting about a different zombie franchise)

[cedar fog]

that's so many of them mansen

[reef patrol]

[scenic thunder]

Just found the steelseries omni point and this is some of my new favorite meaningless marketing

We tested 3 keyboards, and ours was the WORLDS fastest

[old marlin]

it is 1.4 times Y

you know

[vapid ruin]

I don't even know what's this graph about

[scenic thunder]

Response times with as much data taken out as possible so they don't have to verify a claim lol

[vapid ruin]

waow

[scenic thunder]

The rest of the graph

There is nothing else haha

[umbral heron]

So Apex Pro has 1.4x bigger latency than keyboard Y?

[analog sinew]

this makes no sense

E X T E N S I V E

[cedar fog]

they're advertising 0.7ms response time

[scenic thunder]

Demonstrably not the fastest even with a cursory Google search lol

Steelseries desperately trying to stay relevant in the magnet switch market

[analog sinew]

well this was extensive testing duh

[vapid ruin]

not with $240 price tag. Wooting is cheaper even with shipping and tax

[scenic thunder]

Canada it's 340, the pricing is insane

[cedar fog]

ngl id probably buy a steelseries if I had to choose another brand

[scenic thunder]

Also advertising 0.1-4.0mm as 40 level of actuation is really funny to me and I'm not sure why

[analog sinew]

are we not glazing mad68 now?

[vapid ruin]

mad68 at least cheap

too cheap for me to trust it but still

[cedar fog]

my PC can't handle 128,000 scan rate

mad68he+ is too powerful

[scenic thunder]

Tried to quick brown fox and the USB port lit on fire, send help

[analog sinew]

the 0.01 actuation is dangerous, my region has minor earthquakes

[cedar fog]

if only I could set my wooting to 0.01mm actuation I could figure out which spots in my house i jump in correlate to which key and type wirelessly

[scenic thunder]

0.01 actuation, if legit will go off from someone walking into the room. A sneeze would already trigger 0.1

[umbral heron]

3.5ms end-to-end latency
World's fastest keyboard my ass

[cedar fog]

what

isn't that worse than their previous model

[analog sinew]

ur ass is slow

[umbral heron]

Just a teeny tiny bit faster... but still slower than previous gen mini

It's already over at eyejokerdb

[cedar fog]

they outdid themselves

[balmy vector]

their software will add an extra ad to their list though, its a W for big ol steelseries

[coral oracle]

wait 80he has way more features compared to 60

guys

whats the major diffrences

u can customise per switch rgb?

@analog sinew

@sonic adder

[ashen spindle]

Don’t randomly tag people

[hasty thunder]

classic ShitSeries move

[analog sinew]

lol

[spiral plume]

I cooked (without putting springs in the switch)

Just have to replicate the setup with a similar stuff and the sensor

[slow lichen]

Can someone help me with connecting the keyboard?

[ashen spindle]

Use the usb cable

[ashen spindle]

Is that on a cookie lol

[slow lichen]

it doesn t work

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258

[slow lichen]

ok

[spiral plume]

it's just some fixing paste in which i put "a special thing" inside

[iron wave]

What do you guys think about the pattern syntax we've seen in Java talks?

[ashen spindle]

if its something only in talks I wont see it this decade I still work purely in c# 8

[iron wave]

It'll probably be in the next year or two.

There's a few really important things waiting on it.

It was something like

public pattern Point(int x, int y) {
    match Point(this.x, this.y);
}

for non-records.

[ashen spindle]

wtf is that, an overload of a function or a switch case

[iron wave]

It's a pattern to use in pattern matching.

So you know how you can do

record Point(int x, int y) {}

Object o = new Point(1, 2);
switch(o) {
    case Point(int x, int y) -> println(x + ", " + y);
    default -> {}
}

?

This would add support to non-records.

[ashen spindle]

ohhh I think I might understand what that does

[iron wave]

It's essentially the opposite of a constructor.

[ashen spindle]

seems like a more compictaed way of c#s switch pattern with just a tuple matching?

[iron wave]

It's more explicit which allows it to be more powerful, you could have something like

public value class Point {
    private long data;

    public Point(int x, int y) {
        data = (x & 0xFFFFFFFFL) | ((long) y << 32);
    }

    public pattern Point(int x, int y) {
        match Point((int) data, (int) (data >>> 32));
    }
}

as a basic example.

It's going to be used for the upcoming serialization API too.

[ashen spindle]

wait so what does this do, you make a new point with x and y, what/when does the pattern part get used

[iron wave]

In patterns, so with that class you could do what the record does here.

[ashen spindle]

ah if I use it to compare the point I made in a switch for example

[halcyon moss]

ah like python's https://peps.python.org/pep-0636/

[iron wave]

With the upcoming serialization stuff you could also use it in that as well.

var point = new Point(1, 2);
var marshaledPoint = Marshal.marshal(point);
// Transmision over the line, over files, etc..
var unmarshaledPoint = marshaledPoint.unmarshal();
assert(point == unmarshaledPoint);

or however that API shapes out.

[distant tapir]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/11/big-beige-80s-pc-case-started-out-as-a-joke-but-its-becoming-real-in-japan/

Serious question: do you think this could easily support a 30 kg CRT without bending?

[ashen spindle]

I mean in theory yes very easily

depends on if the exact case you get is sturdy enoughor if its just cheap printed plastic without support int hye middle

[balmy vector]

More cool cases pls

[distant tapir]

I have no idea how serious they are about the sturdiness since it's a new case.

[reef patrol]

The case is metal, and there's a crossbar in the middle. I'd say the odds are good.

[ashen spindle]

yea thats why its hard to say since this isnt the final version, it could in theory, if this can in the final version they sell it? hard to say beforehand

[reef patrol]

I guarantee reviewers are going to try it, because that's the aesthetic.

[distant tapir]

If they make it a case you can buy overseas we'll get a lot of reviews hopefully which will make it more clear.

[coral oracle]

guys is apex pro tkl gen 3 hotswap?

[distant tapir]

I actually kinda like that you can have a CD drive in it.

[reef patrol]

Should ask the folks making it.

[reef patrol]

It is perfect as an emulation machine. Lets you play a ton of old console games direct from disc, if you really want to.

[iron wave]

Put in a Wii comptable drive.

[grim spear]

is it possible to tap into the usb power from the wooting 60he pcb?
i would love to mod my wooting with some custom rgb underglow using someting like an arduino and an led strip. without adding more cables going into the keyboard from
the outside.

[reef patrol]

Not without soldering and very much breaking your warranty.

[grim spear]

id be fine with that tbh

[iron wave]

I don't see why not, you could make a little board that passes USB though and just MITM the cable.

[grim spear]

but only if im sure that it doesnt hurt the general performance

[iron wave]

Depends on your board.

[reef patrol]

You'd likely run into power issues.

[grim spear]

what does mitm mean?

[iron wave]

Man In The Middle.

[grim spear]

yeah that would be my question

[grim spear]

you mean without touching the pcb but rather the cable before it enters the pcb?

[iron wave]

Yeah.

[grim spear]

sounds good but cant imagine thst without adding something ugly outside the case

[iron wave]

There's so much space but fair enough.

[grim spear]

yeah sorry i said 60he, i have it in a wooting case

and the usb out is basically outside the case

[iron wave]

I suppose other models could have less space.

[reef patrol]

Talks about RGB underglow, replies with the 2HE case

[queen orbit]

Is this good?

[charred forge]

hi, i want to upgrade rams to ddr5 and go with 2x32gb or 2x24gb cl30 6000. but cant find much information on rank1 and rank2 and how much of the slower rank2 will be compare to rank1

cpu going to be 9800x3d

[ashen spindle]

it wont make a difference just get 6000 cl30 and you're set

[charred forge]

so ss and ds has no difference?

[ashen spindle]

idk what words you are even using, its 2 sticks either way thats all that matters

[queen orbit]

I would recomend buying 1tb ram

[iron wave]

Should I have taken a picture of the Two instead?

[charred forge]

Predating the term rank (sometimes also called row) is the use of single-sided and double-sided modules, especially with SIMMs. While most often the number of sides used to carry RAM chips corresponded to the number of ranks, sometimes they did not. This could lead to confusion and technical issues.

anyways thanks

[ashen spindle]

I think using less AI would help but yes, just get 2 sticks thats all that matters for ddr5 at this point

[iron wave]

Does the new DDR5 with the redrivers help when you use 4 sticks?

[charred forge]

4 sticks are bad

[ashen spindle]

not really because the bottleneck is still the memory controller for speeds

[charred forge]

you loose performance

[fair gull]

youd not wanna anyway as youll just make the board even more unstable with minimal brightness rgb

the 60he draws like 500mA or so in normal use

[iron wave]

You get more capacity.

[ashen spindle]

not every usecase is gaming

[fair gull]

odd... computers can just play games and nothing else. how can it not be just gaming

[iron wave]

The next system I'm going to want at least 128GB.

[charred forge]

in what kind of case you use 100+?

[fair gull]

opening 4 chrome tabs

[ashen spindle]

compiling, video editing, hosting VMs, opening 10 chrome tabs

[vapid isle]

can i use the gateron jade switches with the 60HE+ module

[reef patrol]

Sure

[iron wave]

Yeah workstation stuff, large data sets, VMs, ramdisks, etc..

[vapid isle]

ok thanks

[ashen spindle]

https://www.servethehome.com/el-capitan-towers-above-the-top500-in-a-big-hpe-and-amd-win/

[vapid isle]

Can I remove the module from the 80 HE and build it into another case later?

[rough osprey]

yes

[vapid isle]

ok

[fickle ore]

wat buy

[smoky frigate]

this conversation goes from zero to HOLY BASED very fast, scroll to the bottom: https://gemini.google.com/share/6d141b742a13

[ashen spindle]

sir you forgot how to english

[fickle ore]

it conveys intention 😄

[balmy vector]

Holy shit that made me snort whyyy

I did NOT expect that

[pale sigil]

Savage

[marsh pewter]

why on earth would it say that

[vapid ruin]

RNG is not on that guy's side

[smoky frigate]

I made a webm for posterity

[marsh pewter]

what made it say that???

[smoky frigate]

lol it's just zany that way

[marsh pewter]

it got too silly

[smoky frigate]

real talk: it's just a dumb LLM, but that is one of those freak responses hard to wrap your head around

[iron wave]

Does anyone know how I could prevent some USB devices from getting having the USB HID kernel driver attach to them?

[umbral heron]

usbhid.quirks in modprobe?
Or probably something with udev, pretty sure you can summon demons and bake apple pies with udev

[fair gull]

or udev

SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", DRIVERS=="usbhid", ACTION=="add", ATTR{authorized}="0"

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38786343/prevent-usbhid-from-autoloading-when-usb-hid-device-is-plugged-in

just be sure to not lock your mouse/keyboard out

[umbral heron]

It's not fun if you don't have to boot from liveusb and chroot to your PC

[bright briar]

is november a horrible time to buy pc parts?

[frozen ingot]

you got black friday

[lyric hatch]

black friday is usually a good time, i'd say it's probably not the best if you're in the market for a high end gpu rn

[bright briar]

yeah i thought about that but canada also sucks for sales (depending where you look) but in my area all the 4080 supers, 4090s and 9800x3d are sold out but then the new gpus are coming out next year in Jan

i have a 3080 12gb right now but im giving this build to my little cousin so im doing a fresh build but some of the parts i want are hard to find or overpriced i guess i might have to wait next year to do the build

[lyric hatch]

probably worth it if you can wait for the next gen gpus since they are so close to releasing even if that just helps drive down prices of the olders cards

[balmy vector]

Yeah id agree with hopper

[bright briar]

fair enough ty guys for the advice

i was hopping the 7800x3d price would go down but i heard theyre not making that anymore so i guess i'll stick with the 9800x3d

[balmy vector]

Yeah best to just go 9800x3d if you don’t have the 7800x3d

[bright briar]

i have the 5800x

yeah i been told x870 mobos are good but theyre so pricey as well

compared to b650

maple leaf money no good here

[reef patrol]

B650 was pricy enough. Makes me miss the previous gen.

[balmy vector]

Yeah pretty pricy

Wish all mobos would have postcode numbers as a standard

[grave raven]

my 80HE keeps disconnecting mid game what can I do to fix this

[minor citrus]

stop gaming

[grave raven]

my gaming keyboard is not gaming

ridiculous

[bright briar]

#1019755933959733258 try here for help

[sturdy raven]

New end game mouse: heavy af, has a cord stiffer than most men’s…thing, and has a massive dense ball

[analog sinew]

homoerotic mouse

[minor citrus]

look at that ergonomic finger mold!

[sturdy raven]

It has a spot for your finger to find

[fickle ore]

This will be really epic https://www.fastcompany.com/91229358/inside-metas-long-term-vision-to-make-its-orion-glasses-the-airpods-of-augmented-reality

Zuck is king

[vocal mason]

Hi, was wondering if I did my config right (nixos), wootility doesn't seem to find my keyboard (60HE+):

{
  services.udev = {
    packages = with pkgs; [
      wooting-udev-rules
    ];
  };
}

First experience with wooting so not really familiar with the utility but it works fine on windows.

[crimson wigeon]

You can see if /usr/lib/udev/rules.d/70-wooting.rules exists

But those rules seem quite bad and old. Seem to require you to make your user be in the input group, which is not great!

[vocal mason]

the rules are in : /etc/udev/rules.d/70-wooting.rules with this config

[umbral heron]

Input group is no longer required
Used to be for gamepad inputs, isn't needed anymore

[vocal mason]

but by default it seems like there aren't rules for the 60he+ only for the 60he so I added extraRules with the parameter

[crimson wigeon]

Yes but this is what nix is packaging right now https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/nixos-unstable/pkgs/by-name/wo/wooting-udev-rules/wooting.rules

[umbral heron]

Why do they specify idProduct for every keyboard? 31e3 is Wooting's idVendor

80% of this could be replaced by

SUBSYSTEM=="hidraw", ATTRS{idVendor}=="31e3", MODE:="0660", GROUP="input"
SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="31e3", MODE:="0660", GROUP="input"

[vocal mason]

Ok I may have found the solution (I was kinda airheaded here hehe) but yes it is not yet packaged with support for this keyboard

[vocal mason]

sadly no... this is what i get after adding the specific rules with the vendorId + productId related to my kbd (after a reboot+command)

23:17:36.187 › Failed to create device  {} null
23:17:36.187 › Giving permissions for device {
  deviceType: 'hid',
  origin: 'file://',
  device: {
    name: 'Wooting Wooting 60HE+',
    productId: 4898,
    serialNumber: 'hidden',
    vendorId: 12771
  }
}

will keep updated if I find a fix (perhaps it doesn't apply the rules as it should)

[iron wave]

Does anyone happen to know good programming related certs to get for my résumé?

[fickle ore]

make good snake game

[leaden kiln]

I can't legally send this but I believe this should work, assuming 60he is generic under the new udev rules, which seems to be a reasonable conclusion
worked in my old config but with the separerate 60he rules

[umbral heron]

It is
60HE ARM, 2HE ARM, UwU and 80HE are 31e3

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah uaccess is preferred, just make sure that you apply that tag before 73-seat-late.rules

[open ruin]

real ones play with heavy mice, light mice is a scam

[umbral heron]

So... just use udev rules from here? https://help.wooting.io/article/147-configuring-device-access-for-wootility-under-linux-udev-rules

[frozen ingot]

had a microsoft mouse for most of my first decade of pc use and it was even heavier

[crimson wigeon]

There might be a problem with that extrarules thing

Additional udev rules. They’ll be written into file 99-local.rules. Thus they are read and applied after all other rules.
So it might apply that tag too late..

[leaden kiln]

[vocal mason]

OK it worked just fine, it seems my error was coming from something else 🤣 thanks for the help !

[iron wave]

Do you guys know if there's a way to automate MakeMKV? It would be nice to have it eject a disk when finished and auto rip when you put a new one in.

[deft raptor]

With scripting

[iron wave]

Would it be mad about using multiple drives at once?

[pale trellis]

epic, new 6.12 kernel, +3888.9% performance + 80HE = Linux quantum teleportation... Schroedinger's penguin 😄

[magic minnow]

https://a.co/d/6thur6t this looks cool

https://meshless.design/products/meshless-aio

I should have gone Mini ITX

[broken moat]

I’m liking my scythe fuma 3

[bitter sphinx]

estimated delivery todayyy!!

[magic minnow]

Oh that looks neat!

[broken moat]

Didn’t they the peerless assassin 3 coming out next year?

[magic minnow]

There’s a lot of stuff coming out from them

[broken moat]

they do have the momentum

[magic minnow]

https://gamersnexus.net/coolers-news/thermalrights-completely-insane-approach-cpu-coolers-working-royal-pretor-130-more#royal-pretor-130

[frozen ingot]

peerless assassin is legit, got one for my current rig

[magic minnow]

I ended up getting the Phantom spirit

[unkempt lake]

New work mouse

[whole axle]

xm2w 4k vs viper v3 pro vs ULX. which should i do. since those are like the best rn from what ive seen

[magic minnow]

If you’re serious about gaming Viper V3 Pro

[magic minnow]

Ergonomic!

[whole axle]

yeah just lookin for the best

[unkempt lake]

I can do fancy horizontal scroll now when working

G502 Lightspeed is now retired after 5 years of service

I mean i used that thing for work and to play games for 5 years lol

Retired it in may to use a G303SE for games

But i kept it for work cuz well... hyperscroll

But now it's finally time to let it go :P

[unkempt lake]

219$usd

For a controller????

Wtf is playstation smoking

[severe phoenix]

Profits

Easily 3x too expensive, yeah

But there is resale value

[unkempt lake]

People resell their stuff? XD

i don't have time for that shit

[unkempt lake]

That's called a scalper

[scenic thunder]

Because that worked great for the ps5's scalpers have lost money on scalping full consoles in 2020 and pro controllers this year

[vapid ruin]

Does this also can do hyperscroll?

[unkempt lake]

Yep

[vapid ruin]

oooo

[magic minnow]

@balmy vector give me yours

[unkempt lake]

Also has adaptative hyperscroll where it will engage it automatically if you scroll fast but ratchet if you scroll slow

It's a really cool productivity mouse

Wouldn't game on it tho

[deft raptor]

Oh yeah, I am on MX Master 2S and I need a proper gaming mouse for gaming in all genres of games.

[cosmic thunder]

mx master is great, but the polling rate is kinda not enough for me

i mean its not a thing really but, it just feels awkward when im using it on my 240hz monitor

[unkempt lake]

Not like i'm gaming with the thing i have a g303se for that

[deft raptor]

Yeah, mine does not have adjustable polling rate.

[cosmic thunder]

yeah i know, i'm just saying

would it be great if it had high polling rate tho

:<

[rough osprey]

ye

u can get keychron

[deft raptor]

Right now, I have been hearing about better mouse sensors and logitech mice does not use it.

[rough osprey]

but i think they feel bit cheap

[cosmic thunder]

logitech make sensors themselves aren't they?

[deft raptor]

Eh, the problem is the next new mouse must be configurable in Linux.

[deft raptor]

Logitech sensors are better than paw3950 ?

[rough osprey]

no

[cosmic thunder]

i don't know i have zero knowledge in mouse sensors

[deft raptor]

Same here, all I know is Corsair, Razer and Logitech. Nothing on other brands.

[rough osprey]

its just rebrand

same as razer

and all the others

[cosmic thunder]

didn't know that

[deft raptor]

Ah I see, I know there's open-source software that lets linux users configure Razer or Logitech.

[cosmic thunder]

solaar?

[deft raptor]

Yeah, Solaar for logitech hardware

razercfg or OpenRazer for Razer ones https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Razer_peripherals

[cosmic thunder]

they made the whole kernel module for that?? wowie

[deft raptor]

Yeah, kernel module is linux for driver in Windows land

In linux, we don't use drivers, we use modules. Modules tends get built into kernel and additional modules can be loaded at runtime.

[cosmic thunder]

so in other words, they made the razer driver... in linux. cool

open source devs are truly in another level

like how do they even do that? they code all the stuffs in c from scratch

[deft raptor]

Yeah, community has made OpenRazer and it happens there's offical Arch Linux package, so that's good enough.

[cosmic thunder]

and still supports many other razer devices as official razer software

[deft raptor]

Holy shit, the arch wiki Razer peripherals is outdated as fuck. OpenRazer wiki is more up to date.

[cosmic thunder]

lol

i wanna contribute to or publish some open source project some day

[analog sinew]

is a free onlyfans an open source project?

[charred nexus]

god damn windows sucks, theres no arm discord client, armcord uses ton of battery. The webclient is slow asf. If Apple made a surface alternative imma buying that in a heartbeat

[charred nexus]

can i contribute tho

[analog sinew]

of course

[cosmic thunder]

just go to the hub

its free

[charred nexus]

i mean if its free, source are available for anyone to see, anyone can contribute it might as well be open source ngl

[analog sinew]

wooting hub

[cosmic thunder]

ye wooting hub

so much good features

[charred nexus]

is wooting hub free

[cosmic thunder]

if you buy an wooting, yes

[charred nexus]

but buying a wooting cost money?

[cosmic thunder]

not for the software ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[charred nexus]

then does it count as buying

[charred nexus]

i mean yeah? but software does nothing if you dont have a wooting🤷🏻‍♂️

[cosmic thunder]

wooting = apple

idk

[rough osprey]

wow

[charred nexus]

Apple Hub

and technically you dont need to have Apple hardware to use free Apple software so idk

[cosmic thunder]

can i use safari on windows

[charred nexus]

i can use macos on windows

so techincally yes

[cosmic thunder]

🤨

[charred nexus]

and there used to be safari for windows

back in 2012

[cosmic thunder]

did you know that macos' kernel is open source?

called 'darwin'

[charred nexus]

yeah

[cosmic thunder]

interesting, huh?

at least for me it is

[umbral heron]

If not for the fact that if something breaks Wooting will send you spare parts themselves, and Apple will want a kidney for repairs only to tell you to replace the whole thing entirely

[cosmic thunder]

[deft raptor]

Jeez, I don't want buy a mouse that polling rate exceeds 1kHz

[charred nexus]

not really, cuz macos is built on unix and Linux and BSD are open source so like🤷🏻‍♂️

[cosmic thunder]

Linux?

https://tenor.com/view/scared-huh-scared-scared-speed-wtf-surprised-gif-4191501832320726410

[umbral heron]

Oh, now it's xnu https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu

[charred nexus]

isnt it still part of darwin tho

[cosmic thunder]

wait so the darwin itself wasn't a whole kernel??

[umbral heron]

xnu is kernel, Darwin is the base OS for macOS
Something like Debian for Ubuntu

[cosmic thunder]

ohhh i see

[charred nexus]

so like Debian uses the Linux kernel, Darwin uses XNU

[deft raptor]

Keychron M6 looks nice

[charred nexus]

i can never superglide on a keychron

[umbral heron]

Not sure why you'd want to look for a mouse with <=1k polling
Linux doesn't have the same issues with scheduler as Windows, it can handle 8k easily

[deft raptor]

Ah, I assume superglide is almost friction less glide on the desk or thin mouse pad ?

[charred nexus]

no mb i though you talking about keyboard

i forgot keychron makes mouse

[deft raptor]

Yeah, the letter M stands for mouse, however I notice letter G was also used

[charred nexus]

it have been a long time since i saw someone talk about a keychron mouse so my brain just shit itself

[charred nexus]

aint the G like its sub brand or something

[deft raptor]

Ah, assume me to be most clueless about mouse in either Windows or Linux

[charred nexus]

I still dont fully get why windows shit itself when handeling 8KHz mouse when gaming

[topaz barn]

same

[umbral heron]

I have Razer DAv3, it's really nice, works with RazerGenie, and can easily be toggled between 1k and 8k with a button on the bottom

[umbral heron]

Something with scheduler, not sure why exactly either

[deft raptor]

A blog talks about this : https://ph3at.github.io/posts/Windows-Input/

[topaz barn]

i got a Logitech SUPERLIGHT X 2 which got 8k polling rate through an update recently, i bought the 4k polling rate wlmouse beast x for no reason 😭

[charred nexus]

I have a VMSE on 8K, it works way better then in Windows

[umbral heron]

Not for no reason
If it's superlight sooner or later switches will commit unalive themselves

[topaz barn]

wooting 80he is my first HE keyboard lol, it arrived today and i'm on the FPS preset

feels good

[rough osprey]

good old times

[topaz barn]

i used a Logitech G915 until now, not a bad keyboard because i used it for work and coding most of the time

[charred nexus]

It's both Apex and Windows fault, but since Apex ban Linux so i guess I will be back on 4K playing Apex then

[deft raptor]

Fucking hell, I am trying to find any good mouse that works for me.

I had Logitech G502 but left click craps itself out

[charred nexus]

I hate the G502 its so big and heavy

[deft raptor]

Yeah, too heavy for me too. Wrist pain

I mean I figured out muuuch later

[charred nexus]

theres so many good mouse now i have no idea why people still buy that thing

maybe for the butons

[deft raptor]

Can you humour with at least 3 good brands so I can browse them ?

[charred nexus]

but who uses all those buttons on a mouse wjen aiming

[deft raptor]

Because I want buy a new mouse asap

[gloomy linden]

Buttons and people play other games too

[deft raptor]

Ah, you mean the big button on G502 for aiming ?

[gloomy linden]

All the buttons on it

[deft raptor]

If you think I need to measure my hand, tell so. I will measure it for you

[umbral heron]

You can visit https://www.eloshapes.com/ if you're looking for specific mouse shape
As for now Razer, Lamzu and WLMouse are the most popular among gamers

Just avoid Finalmouse and Gloroius and you're good to go

[charred nexus]

pwnage, WLMouse, Razer

[rough osprey]

woah

i still need to find a ulx comp classic

[umbral heron]

Get 3 at once, so maybe one of them will actually work

[deft raptor]

Well, maybe maybe

[charred nexus]

FInalmouse have bad qc and it have better alternative, but it aint a bad mouse (at least imo) but glorious is just shit

[rough osprey]

better chances then with china mice 😄

[cosmic thunder]

is the nzxt cam software really that bad?

i've been using it for like couple of days and still have no issues but

[old marlin]

it was horrid back when I used it

but that was ages ago

[cosmic thunder]

ppl kinda complaining about it

[charred nexus]

just buy a BeastX Max, its similar enough

[old marlin]

iirc it is a massive resource hog

it used to have sus telemetry

and it also used to be quite buggy

[charred nexus]

iirc its really bad back in the old days, not sure about now

[old marlin]

• I don't see the point

[cosmic thunder]

hmmm

[rough osprey]

heavy ah

and doesnt look as cool