🔌│tech

[old marlin]

why is this version of windows 11 pro not compatible but the one for 30,94 more is

[iron wave]

Because Dell(?) is like that.

OEMs in general are.

[umbral heron]

Bless the human who gave us ability to use Fn as Ctrl in Thinkpads
And those who put Fn there in the first place should suffer for eternity in hell

[old marlin]

yea is dell

this thing is a mystery to me

if you want a fast CPU you have to take the low spec model and upgrade that

if you want a dGPU you have to take a higher end model which is stuck at the 165H

185H is no dGPU only

not like it really matters

thing is too expensive anyways

[wheat plume]

IKR????? Why TF are they swapped?!

[gusty kiln]

Rip supermicro

[old marlin]

because ibm had to put it somewhere

and unix layout wasn't that far in the past at that point

[old marlin]

?

oh

💀

[iron wave]

?

[ashen spindle]

https://x.com/StockMKTNewz/status/1851609419211055607?t=Ey-L7DzrCZj9b7uAtp_EZw&s=19

Evan (@StockMKTNewz) on X

SUPER MICRO’S AUDITOR STEPPING AWAY

Big 4 accounting firm Ernst & Young just submitted a letter of resignation to Super Micro’s $SMCI

Twitter · Oct 30, 2024, 12:57 PM

[old marlin]

[iron wave]

One person quit and the stocks tanked?

This is evil.

[old marlin]

internal auditor

that said that you could not trust managmenet or the audit commitee

[iron wave]

Ah so more like an EK sort of thing got it.

Very spooky.

[old marlin]

not quite yet?

[iron wave]

I didn't mean exactly the same thing, but if something like this happens it's very much not a good sign for the health of the company.

[sudden imp]

Idk if this is the right channel but game mechanic wise after the DS Nintendo has really dropped the ball with Pokemon

[iron wave]

Tripple battles where kinda neat and I liked megas.

Z moves are silly.

[sudden imp]

Yeah

[old marlin]

idk they started to try new battle gimmicks each gen after that

[sudden imp]

Legends was a real breathe a fresh air and as much copium I could huff scarlet and violet really dropped the ball

[old marlin]

which the games did not need imo

[sudden imp]

I wish they dropped all the verison exclusively bs and made the game innovative and fun again

[old marlin]

it does not need to be innovative

[sudden imp]

The game leaks really make me sad like X&Y was going to have really cool battle animations that no game so far has come close to

[old marlin]

💀 X&Y battle animations

[iron wave]

I think they need to make doubles/tripples where you as the player is using two/three teams for each PKMN slot.

Battle Revolution was peak battle animations. :^)

[sudden imp]

Check out the leaks for the planned animations they are so good

[iron wave]

I suppose it's not a big deal when you just turn them off all of the time anyway.

[sudden imp]

The more time has passed with black and white I really appreciate what they did with it

I hate how they are suing competition especially that for pcs

[iron wave]

I'm about to commit memory allocation crimes.

Oh boy.

Doing font stuff is always "fun".

[umbral heron]

Ah, I know what the problem is

[iron wave]

What problem?

[balmy vector]

Java

[iron wave]

Again, what problem?

[raw zephyr]

java

[iron wave]

Java is a great language, especially with all of the cool new stuff they have been adding in the last few years.

[old marlin]

I know what the problem actually is

[iron wave]

You can do super fun crazy stuff like

public sealed interface Data {
    record Str(String value) implements Data {}
    record Int(int value) implements Data {}
}

var data = getData();
System.out.println(switch(data) {
    case Str val -> val.value();
    case Int val -> Integer.toString(val.value());
});

soon you could do something insane like

var data = getData();
System.out.println(switch(data) {
    case Str(val) -> val;
    case Int(val) -> Integer.toString(val);
});

too.

Not to mention green threads, better FFI apis, lambdas, general QoL STD stuff and upcoming things like value classes and nice serialization tools.

[iron wave]

Yeah, I would be using MemorySegments but LWJGL isn't using them yet so it would be a little silly to mix and match. LWJGL4 will be fixing this.

[wheat plume]

QoL STD stuff
thats shit is so cursed out of context

[iron wave]

How should I do texture packing for this?

I'm thinking something like, sort by pixels consumed, create a 2D map of some sort, attempt to find a free space, insert, if not expand.

I can't wait for this to be valid:

value record Data(int fieldA, int fieldB) {
    private static final StructLayout! LAYOUT = MemoryLayout.structLayout(JAVA_INT.withName("fieldA"), JAVA_INT.withName("fieldB"));
    private static final SegmentMapper<Data>! MAPPER = SegmentMapper.of(Data.class, LAYOUT);

    public static Header! read(ReadableByteChannel! channel) throws IOException {
        try(var arena = Arena.ofConfined()) {
            var segment = arena.allocate(LAYOUT);
            IoUtils.readFully(segment, channel);
            return MAPPER.read(segment);
        }
    }

    public void write(WriteableByteChannel! channel) throws IOException {
        try(var arena = Arena.ofConfined()) {
            var segment = arena.allocate(LAYOUT);
            MAPPER.write(this, segment);
            IoUtils.writeFully(segment, channel);
        }
    }
}

Then you could expand this type of pattern to entire networking protocols.

[gusty kiln]

https://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/p/dt-1990-pro-mk-2?srsltid=AfmBOop1WgYSBr9TKyooEde0Sp2Oh3sokqqHE5N6b3HPoazr99Sp-oTS

@final flame

To murder treble or to not murder treble

[kind lily]

purely performance wise, Huano Blue Pinks or Omron Opticals?

[fair gull]

those dont even compare. unless i remember wrong the omron optical have a different pin placement

3 pin vs 5 pin

[jagged light]

does anyone here recommend the hyper x cloud alpha wireless

like aside from it being wireless are they any different from the wired version

[old marlin]

prob about the beast x since those are the two switch options for it

[old marlin]

omron optials should be better depending on the firmware

[fair gull]

oh then yeah if you buy it preassembled id go with optical

just keep in mind they arent good for replacability

https://images.tokopedia.net/img/cache/900/VqbcmM/2023/12/7/c5289d52-23e9-46e2-8837-095a2f77ec9e.jpg

found it

and yeah pinout is completely different

[old marlin]

funnily enough asus has hotswap sockets that are compatible with these and normal switches

[fair gull]

hm i wonder how they do that

[old marlin]

buuuut

they went away from using omron opticals

corsair also did

cause they ping too much

[old marlin]

good tolerances on a fully custom designed socket

[fair gull]

huh

[old marlin]

they can have really small contacts in it

[wheat plume]

hate this touchpad
its so shit
and sometimes it just randomly decides to stop working properly and have a seizure pressing random clicks and not responding to movement or gestures
I rebooted, I disabled the touchpad in settings and enabled it again, I shut down the laptop twice
nothing worked

so I plugged in my G305 to use instead and as soon as I did that, the touchpad decided to work like normal once again
🤦‍♀️
I cant wait to get the Framework laptop....

this shit happens a lot, just randomly the touchpad stops working and idk why

[fair gull]

must be {insert OS} fault

[wheat plume]

No

this happened on Windows too

Actually, it doesnt
When I install Windows on this laptop, the touchpad just never works at all...it doesnt detect it

I have to use external mouse and download the driver package from the OEM website to get touchpad to work on Windows

[fair gull]

sounds normal

[wheat plume]

no????

any other laptop I Previously had, the touchpad worked fine out of the box on Windows, even if I clean installed Windows again later on

[kind lily]

nah i was js asking bcz my friend who absolutely glazes mechanical switches said the huanos are probably still better than the omrons performance wise and i couldnt believe that

[fair gull]

both elan and synaptics have their own software running with the drivers. the default win touchpad drivers suck ass and dont even get gestures right most of the time

so yes

you always install drivers

[wheat plume]

hmmm, worked fine for me except this laptop

[fair gull]

i mean switches themselves dont have a performance

[wheat plume]

and ive never had an issue with whatever drivers Linux has by default either, even for Wayland gestures

[old marlin]

it comes down to the firmware

[fair gull]

one could argue the omrons are better because the they use a light beam

[old marlin]

tehoretically you can debounce less on the omrons

[kind lily]

yeah thats what i meant, no need fo "high" debounce times

[old marlin]

electron transferrence on copper contacts is not much slower

[old marlin]

with good debounce algorythms that is no issue as well

[kind lily]

at the end of the day all that is like a 3ms difference lmao

[fair gull]

thats why i said one could argue. they are slower but on the distances in microswitches it doesnt matter all too much

[old marlin]

not even

[kind lily]

true prolly less

i like the Huanos aswell but i always thought optical is "faster" even when both are properly done, thx for educating me

[old marlin]

just fyi, fastest click delay on the market is done with mechanical switches

the algorythm they use afaik is not even possible that way with opticals

[fair gull]

btw over 5mm (quite generous imo) the difference is that in a copper conductor the signal travels roughly 130 femtoseconds slower

[kind lily]

didnt know that aswell

[rough osprey]

https://x.com/betaprofiles/status/1851643432844013742?s=46

Beta Profiles (@BetaProfiles) on X

MacBook Air M2 and M3 now come with 16GB of RAM at no additional cost.

Twitter · Oct 30, 2024, 3:12 PM

🤔

[kind lily]

every day i realise i prolly dont have a clue at all

[rough osprey]

but mac only needs 8gb

[kind lily]

then i see techtokers

[fair gull]

well the switches with the lowest click delay use a sort of "trick"

[jagged light]

does anyone know about the hyper x headphones

[kind lily]

wym

[old marlin]

"8gb in macos is equivalent to 16gb in windows"

[rough osprey]

i hope the xm2w 4k has better feeling switches then stock op1

[jagged light]

does anyone here know about the headphones that the company hyper x produces

[kind lily]

very shitty company tbh

[jagged light]

how

i liked the current headset i have from them

[ashen spindle]

Just ask the question directly don’t ask if there’s someone to ask without saying what you’re ant to know

[jagged light]

but it’s sorta broke

[kind lily]

overpriced as fuck and most of the time very bad sound quality, generally an issue with "gaming" headsets

[jagged light]

i’m thinking about buying the hyper x cloud alpha and wanna know if it’s good

or the cloud 2

[kind lily]

"very bad" as in you can get something twice as good for half the money

[old marlin]

hyperx ones generally are fine for headsets

most of the recommended ones are all takstar anyways

[jagged light]

what about the cloudx

im thinking the cloud 2 cloudx or alpha

[kind lily]

the 50$ ones or the 150$ ones? maybe my search engine buggin but it shows me those 2 prices lmao

[jagged light]

alpha is wireless but idk the diff between 2 and x

[old marlin]

just go cloud 2 or cloud 3

[jagged light]

cloud 2s are somehwere near 80 i believe

[old marlin]

no, cloud alpha wireless is wireless, the reg one is not

[kind lily]

r u fine with using in ear headphones or do you prefer over ear

[jagged light]

im saying the difference between the x and 2 ik the alpha is wireless

[jagged light]

not really i use my airpods occasionally while i play

[old marlin]

the alpha is not wireless

the alpha wireless is wireless

[kind lily]

do you have a seperate mic already?

[jagged light]

yk what i’m trying to say

[jagged light]

yeah

[kind lily]

then id buy IEM´s

[jagged light]

i don’t want earbuds

[kind lily]

for 80 you can definitely get way better sound quality than what HyperX offers

[kind lily]

aight then idk

[jagged light]

why those oher the wireless?

[old marlin]

then don't buy a headset

buy actual headphones lol

[iron wave]

This is kinda fun to watch.

[kind lily]

i like the Phillips SHP9500 but ive seen some controversy around them? if you find them for below 80$ id cop but for more than 80$ i guess theres better stuff out there

[jagged light]

what headphones then

i also wnat something that looks good too

[kind lily]

again, i like the SHP9500´s and i could also recommeend the hd58x but they look god awful tbh

please take whatever I say with a grain of salt as audio is subjective and sounds different to different people. also do your own research on recommendations

[jagged light]

yeah i’m not used to good sounding quality

so i don’t think buying a hyper x would be a bad experience

i think i’ll just go with that because i’m more comfortable with it

[kind lily]

alr

id still try the SHP9500´s in store if u can find them most audio stores or tech stores have those

atleast in my country

[jagged light]

i’ll look into it

thanks

[kind lily]

np

[jagged light]

do you know which hyper x i should get if i do

[kind lily]

i had the cloud 2 aswell, it was comfy but the shells started falling apart very quickly and it didnt feel high quality at all tbh, sound wasnt that bad

[final flame]

shp9500 is like eh, and 58x is on the other end of the spectrum of eh

[kind lily]

still better than most "gaming" marketed headphones no?

[jagged light]

how long is very quickly

[wheat plume]

the base price didnt stay the same...its 200 extra for the base M2 Air now

[kind lily]

2 months? usually doesnt happen until like 4 years

[final flame]

some of them sure, but not by much

[jagged light]

ag

i’ll buy those or the wireless alphas

leaning. towards the wireless

[final flame]

58x is too dark imo, and the 9500 is too bright

[jagged light]

but idk if it has delay

[kind lily]

what would u recommend for 80-100$

[kind lily]

barely any, if ur doing something ultra competitive and ur still worried about it just plug the cable in lol

[jagged light]

it dosent come with a cable

[final flame]

iems will overall give the best experience in that price range
but overall I would recommend either the ksc75 or the mdr7506

[kind lily]

wym

[kind lily]

thats what i was sayiinnn

[final flame]

as far as headphones go in that price range

[jagged light]

it only comes with the usb and the headset

but i’ll look more into it

thanks @kind lily

[kind lily]

what u think about the Truthear Zero Reds?

[dull hollow]

i have the cloud alpha wireless

[kind lily]

np

[dull hollow]

just get the wired version, its not worth allat

[jagged light]

do you recommend it

[jagged light]

did you get any other one

[dull hollow]

sure the battery life is great but imo it doesnt do much

[kind lily]

doesnt it have a female usb on the headset

[dull hollow]

lil bro has the wired version

[final flame]

good

[dull hollow]

im using a quadcast so i cant speak on the mic quality

[jagged light]

idk i don’t have it

[kind lily]

im sure you can use the USB cable as a normal cable not only for charging

[jagged light]

@dull hollow how do you charge it

[dull hollow]

usb-c

[kind lily]

because why would they limit it to only charge lmao what would u do if it dies mid game

[kind lily]

can u use it wired? yes right

[final flame]

if you want a headset the mmx 100 would be the best option you have in that price range

[kind lily]

i like mine really much

[dull hollow]

i dont see why not

you would have it connect wirelessly and charge it at the same time

[kind lily]

any recs for IEM´s at about 120$?

[jagged light]

it’s usb c to usb c?

[dull hollow]

$40 on zero:reds

[dull hollow]

i think its a-c but i just use a random one i have laying around

[kind lily]

prolly irrelevant as your gonna plug it in on ur motherboard preferably no?

[dull hollow]

im not sure

[jagged light]

yeah

[final flame]

depends on what you want
what do you find lacking on the zero reds lacking?

[jagged light]

that’s fine

[kind lily]

i have those already but i wanna gift them to my dad he really likes em asw, need some new ones then and i have some money

[jagged light]

it comes with one right

[wheat plume]

Wait, Apple purged all previous MacBook Pro models from their shop and only have preorders for the M4 models now....dafuq????

[dull hollow]

yeah it comes with a charging cable and a dongle for the headset

[wheat plume]

cant even get the M3 models

[final flame]

Lana, that's just what apple does

[wheat plume]

They still have Macbook Airs as far back as M2

just not Pro

[dull hollow]

just look at the product image 🤦‍♂️

[rough osprey]

pros got money

[wheat plume]

And the Airs overheat at the slightest heavy usage

🤦‍♀️

Cause they either have no fan or one teeny tiny fan to cool it off

[little silo]

wut

[rough osprey]

that would be new

[final flame]

they're asking for a recommendation, they already own the zero reds

[kind lily]

tbh nothing lacking, i just wanna gift my dad some as he really liked the zero reds

[jagged light]

last question

[fair gull]

ill bet cause deliverying these takes as long as delivering the old gen if they had them

took 2 weeks or 3 to get my current macbook as well

[jagged light]

how long does the battery life last

[jagged light]

some company exaggerate how good things are

[dull hollow]

ive never had it run out during a game

[astral haven]

nova are incredible
a bit over budget but i love em

[jagged light]

never knew they had a software

[dull hollow]

i always charge it at the end of the week anyways

[jagged light]

think i’ll buy it though thanks

[dull hollow]

you can probably go 2 or 3 weeks without charging them

[kind lily]

150, aint horrible tbh

[jagged light]

that’s a pretty long time

[kind lily]

i was considering the Novas for myself tbh

[final flame]

tbh, you're probably best off getting another zero red
there's nothing that really competes with it at that budget unless you want something different tuning wise
Nova are different in tuning, more elevated in the upper midrange

[astral haven]

yea but both are harman bass, and nova is closer to diffuse field in the mid and highs

[kind lily]

alr bet

[astral haven]

but yea red are far better value

[wheat plume]

:')

I love Arun

[dull hollow]

the image is so low quality 😭

they literally took it to photoshop and auto cropped it

[jagged light]

that’s pretty nice though

[wheat plume]

Oh yeah, I forgot that HyperX Software is ONLY on the Windows App Store...

[dull hollow]

yeah

[wheat plume]

Luckily, I can just use any EQ I want

[jagged light]

ahh

[dull hollow]

theres also ZERO tuning ability for the quadcast

[kind lily]

does spatial sound help with recognizing footsteps at all?

[wheat plume]

Dont need the software really

[wheat plume]

Quadcast?

[wheat plume]

ohh

[dull hollow]

personally i dont use it

[jagged light]

hyper x cloud alpha

WIRELESS

[dull hollow]

the app doesnt even regonize it

[wheat plume]

😅 yikes

have you tried using their firmware tool?

to see if there are updates for it

[dull hollow]

whats that? 😅

[dull hollow]

theres a direct download link on the subreddit

[astral haven]

now with the reference as the reference

[wheat plume]

Seems people suggest trying a different USB Port to get the issues fixed mostly

[little silo]

haha no the way it was worded lol

[astral haven]

wording was fine, was just missing a comma

[final flame]

I normalized it to the Reds specifically to illustrate what is different with the nova, rather than how it differs to the target

[astral haven]

oh never mind there was a line break already

[astral haven]

thats not how our ears generally work

[wheat plume]

ok thisis sick
The Xiaomi X Disney Snow White phone takes bited out of the charger indicator as the battery level drops

this is next level themeing

[final flame]

a beginner won't understand a target
what they do understand is differences from a product that they already own

[astral haven]

what our ears expect is diffuse field
its not supposed to be a target, its a reference

[dull hollow]

@wheat plume istg theyre making it impossible to find the updates

[wheat plume]

yeah, I cant find it either

seems they moved the firmware updating to the Windows Store app :/

and if that app isnt detecting your mic, then thats a problem

[dull hollow]

it doesnt have an update button for the headset either

[wheat plume]

I think it just checks in the background and shows a popup in the app when it finds one

also, those headphones arent getting updated anymore AFAIK

[dull hollow]

been using zero:reds so i mean... it doesnt really matter

[wheat plume]

true

[dull hollow]

it only shows if you have the rgb version

[wheat plume]

bruh wtf

[dull hollow]

which is not worth $20 more

at the time still isnt

[dull hollow]

rgb lighting chat

[bright briar]

those are the headphones you use?

[dull hollow]

ive been using iems for the past month

[wheat plume]

LOL, the only good thing to come from AI.....Apple being forced to offer more RAM at the base price

[bright briar]

oh yeah i forgot it was in your picture

[dull hollow]

had cloud 2s for a while and they broke so i got that

this but instead of alpha it was the clouds 2s

[bright briar]

ahh i see i heard a lot of good things about hyper x clouds but rn im looking at this bad boy

looking for open back

[dull hollow]

hyperx kinda mid

i paid 150 for the alpha wireless and the $45 zero reds are way better

[wheat plume]

I assume that the RAM in macbooks is dual channel????

like 2 sticks of 8gb

[bright briar]

i would get gaming ear buds but it gets too hot in my room so i aint trying to get an ear infection😭

[dull hollow]

yeah i get that

the iems are great for music too

[bright briar]

it should be but im not a professional

[bright briar]

yeah and i could plug them into my hyper x mic as well

[dull hollow]

thats what im currently doing

[ashen spindle]

It’s not desktop ram sticks

[wheat plume]

well,, two chips of ram

[dull hollow]

currnetly blasting bruno mars into my skull with the iems

[wheat plume]

or is it one chip of ram?

[bright briar]

which song?

[dull hollow]

die with a smile

[bright briar]

bro is ascending

[wheat plume]

I know its soldered on, but there is usually more than one ram chip soldered one...like the Steam Deck has 4 chip AFAIK, so 4 chips of 4GB each

[ashen spindle]

By it’s not desktop ram sticks I mean it’s not the same technology

[dull hollow]

bruno mars is the highlight of 2024 💯

[vapid ruin]

iem is very noice for rhythm game too! haven't tried open back when playing tho since the good one are expensive.

[wheat plume]

so it doesnt really matter either way?

[ashen spindle]

It’s different

[wheat plume]

oh ookk

[dull hollow]

im more into racing and fps games

https://tenor.com/view/nissan-r34gtr-gif-19759310

[bright briar]

https://tenor.com/view/gorace-gif-23909946

burnout games

[gusty kiln]

Soldered on ram is usually faster than desktop ram anyway

[ashen spindle]

It helps getting higher speed but at 4000mhz or whatever they both do the same

But the memory on package isn’t ddr4 and not even ddr but lpddr so protocols and stuff is different from ram sticks

[astral haven]

and lpddr dramatically sacrifices latency to get better efficiency

[ashen spindle]

lpddr6 on desktop will be so funny after we see in ARL what latencies do to gaming and co

[wheat plume]

I dont like when laptops have that extra extended bit out of the back beyond the display hinge...it looks odd and usually doesnt match the rest of the laptop design

[halcyon moss]

I thought the memory on apple silicon was on die

[ashen spindle]

its on package

[astral haven]

"on die" memory

on package memory

[dull hollow]

that didnt last long

[jagged light]

@dull hollow do you feel any delay between your wireless headphones and wired ones?

[dull hollow]

not that i could notice

that would greatly impact my gameplay

ive had it disconnect twice though

[jagged light]

how long have you had it

[jagged light]

btw i think i’m gonna get the wireless could 3

it’s like 40 dollar cheaper but battery life is like 130 hours

[dull hollow]

3 months

[unkempt lake]

@balmy vector

[balmy vector]

not bad

[lyric hatch]

Amd sponsored imagine they had more prepared drivers for launch

[balmy vector]

yeah also true

at least nvidias water flicker is fixed

[unkempt lake]

New driver?

[balmy vector]

no just an update to the game

[unkempt lake]

Cool

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-hasnt-sold-a-single-arrow-lake-cpu-at-germanys-largest-retailer-core-ultra-200s-sales-stagnate-after-just-one-week

[ashen spindle]

they never sold the most intel cpus, other retailers have them and instead of listing one, list that its the same everywhere, great journalism

all of australia got like 100 chips or something

Germans with a $30 billion unfinished Intel fab in their backyard are likely not thrilled about buying more Intel processors, perhaps contributing to Arrow Lake's feeble sales in the country.
are they just using LLMs to pad random garbage in these articles wtf

[analog sinew]

yeah thats the reason tbh

[smoky frigate]

already 10 sold! slow down Intel, they're flying off the shelves

[ashen spindle]

oh my god I didnt read the artile entirely and its even worse

of course it sells not a single sku if the retailer HAD NO SKU TO SELL

thats sort of important to notice instead of just saying nobody bought one

[rough osprey]

bruh

[lyric hatch]

Yeah but how else would you get these clickbait articles

[gusty kiln]

One of the most papery launch of all time

Did they delay after all the prereview issues?

[ashen spindle]

nah just had low initial shipments

[nova egret]

+- 20 sales!! no way

[crimson wigeon]

ULTRA

[marsh pewter]

ultra garbage

ultra e-waste

[lyric hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/do-something-comeon-stickman-bored-gif-22722853

[smoky frigate]

bro the next cpu gen will be good, just one more gen bro

[marsh pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[gusty kiln]

Next couple of months is going to be rough for intel client. Already a bad taste in people mouth and most people are not willing to fiddle with ring frequency in the bios and buy $300 ram just to still lose to the 7800X3D.

[ashen spindle]

earnings call on halloween, pat is going to spook wall street

[fickle ore]

bought some intc puts

[gusty kiln]

Kek would be funnier if i didn't already see the original post

[fickle ore]

[ashen spindle]

hope you made sure to buy some super micro like some months ago

[fickle ore]

yeah aint got none of that except prob thru world/s500 indices

someone made 650k betting against SMCI tho

[gusty kiln]

Kek nice

[kind lily]

i used to trade a lot but literally the day israel bombed lebanon i can not find a single good entry

idk wtf happened but its as if the whole market turned around

[fickle ore]

mm ive made a killing on uranium n some health companies

[gusty kiln]

Defense etf been doing decently

[ashen spindle]

we're talking about supermicro who had their auditor resign and bud talks about israels bombings, what

[fickle ore]

https://tenor.com/view/wyaking-gif-9712475764034023502

[umbral heron]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rdna4-launching-in-early-2025-lisa-su-confirms

[kind lily]

nah that just reminded me of that lol

[fickle ore]

Wish tehre were games I wanted to play that'd require anything above my 7800 xt

[kind lily]

atp i aint even trying anymore cuz i noticed ive been unprofitable since that and i got diff ways of making money

[kind lily]

rheinmetall forever

[sudden imp]

Cmon AMD let’s get that market share

[gusty kiln]

Amd will forever struggle against nvidia for market share

In both gpu divisions

[sudden imp]

idk I feel like with nvidia focusing on AI AMD could go after gamers

[gusty kiln]

Why, no need to spend money then

[fickle ore]

Yeah but Nvidia will prob give up gaming segment in couple years then AMD will get a shot

[kind lily]

he wants to believe he has a reason probably

gaslighting yourself

[gusty kiln]

Nvidia isn't even trying and has 90% marketshare

[ashen spindle]

nvidia isnt going to ever give up gaming

they still keep automotive aorund at like 1/10th the revenue for gaming

DC could double again and gaming would be still more than 1/10th of it

[gusty kiln]

Amd have been creeping up with embedded

Interesting to see how that develops

[fickle ore]

Not willingly, but politically its inevitable if TW has geopolitical issues. Intel won't have the capacity at start for anything else than AI

[ashen spindle]

what

[fickle ore]

Maybe Samsung will

[sudden imp]

AMD is constructing a fab in the US so I do think they can gain US market share

[ashen spindle]

intel wouldnt care what its for if they can sell wafers they gladly would lol

amd isn't constructing a fab mostly because they dont own any

[sudden imp]

• oh *

[fickle ore]

Margins dictate product when capacity bound

[gusty kiln]

Glofo you are our only hope

[ashen spindle]

not from intels side they just sell wafers

[fickle ore]

Lol would be funny to buy 44nm gpus in 2030

[ashen spindle]

and if you dont make desktop gpus you dont have options to give to people to learn cuda which is how they made it so everyone learning HPC/ML is familiar with their ecosystem

[fickle ore]

Intel could definitely use that to get 100% cpu marketshare

in just 1-2 yrs

dno if illegal

[ashen spindle]

use what

[fickle ore]

dude

if theyre the only one fabbing

[ashen spindle]

you do know tsmc already has working fabs outside of TW

[fickle ore]

woopsies oh yeh shit (;_;) daydream gone too far

[ashen spindle]

so tsmc would need to fail, samsung as well, then they would be the only ones and then they would need to attempt to control what their customers make

[fickle ore]

well not the TW part I mean

Just intel having 100 marketshare

[ashen spindle]

by that point apple nvidia and amd are just putting money into rapidus or ibm and bam new fabs

[fickle ore]

Rapidus is interesting lets see what happens

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1gfrncl/china_tightens_export_controls_on_rare_earth/

time to load up on gallium stocks and TIM's

[ashen spindle]

you think so? think again

[fickle ore]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

[ashen spindle]

lithium was supposedt to be in short suppl and some weeks agao they found a massive untapped lithium mine and that happens constantly like that

[fickle ore]

Haha yeah but Lithium is super abundant

[analog sinew]

I just read the channel name as "teeth" and was horrified for a second

[steep creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_7IPm7f1vI

[smoky frigate]

the russians are catching up tbh

[wheat plume]

Would it not make more sense to compare M4 to M3????
Why pick M1??

[analog sinew]

cause number bigger

[dull hollow]

because its apple

also i dont think people are gonna dump 1.5k every year on a new laptop, phone sure maybe

[umbral heron]

M1:
-Cheaper
-Can install Linux on it

M4:
-More expensive
-Can't install Linux on it

I mean it's quite obvious

[smoky frigate]

more like ALT+M4, I'm surely the first one to ever make that joke

[marsh pewter]

tbf idk why you would get a mac to install linux on

[wheat plume]

Oh yeah
How well does Asahi work now?

[wheat plume]

I wonder does Linux make the battery life worse?
Cause I imagine Apple optimize the absolute hell out of MacOS to get better battery from it

[umbral heron]

Because Windows ARM is in a pathetic state?
And I won't use macOS, thank you very much

[marsh pewter]

fair enough

[wheat plume]

Tbf
Id rather use MacOS instead of Windows
If those were my only two choices anyway
Thankfully, Linux exists

[umbral heron]

I mean
If I had to choose
Then... yeah, macOS would be a better option

[lyric hatch]

Still pretty rough

[wheat plume]

Ah
It's still hella impressive how much it does work though
Considering most of the drivers had to be reverse engineered

[lyric hatch]

Yeah it's cool to try out would not daily drive

[marsh pewter]

wonder if the fedora version is any better

[lyric hatch]

Fedora remix would be the one I recommend

[wheat plume]

Fedora tends to have better hardware support than Arch does

In terms of shit working out of the box, anyway

[lyric hatch]

https://asahilinux.org/2024/10/aaa-gaming-on-asahi-linux/

Cool update a couple weeks ago

[wheat plume]

Oooo
Hek

This shit is so impressive to me

[smoky frigate]

Asahi is fucking awesome, I want to use linux on fapple silicon one day

[wheat plume]

FAPPLE
:')

[marsh pewter]

if I had a reason to get a macbook I would

I mean it could be pretty nice for video editing

[marsh pewter]

I've been heavily considering switching from ubuntu to fedora but im extremely lazy and dont wanna redo everything

[wheat plume]

Framework 13 AMD Edition + Fedora Workstation

Thats what I want

[wheat plume]

I definetly recommend Fedora :D

[marsh pewter]

framework also seems pretty hype

I dont have a job tho so I'd rather save up for upgrading my main PC

[wheat plume]

its the only distro I used for the last like 2 years by now
Fedora Workstation on my laptop
Bazzite (Fedora Atomic) on my Steam Deck

[marsh pewter]

yeah it seems really good but I just dont know if it worth the effort of redoing and redownloading everything I've done on ubuntu

maybe once I get a new PC I'll switch idk, its not like I have any issues with ubuntu rn

or if I end up borking my OS

[wheat plume]

what Ubuntu you on rn?

[marsh pewter]

24.04

[wheat plume]

ah yeah, that ones pretty solid too

[marsh pewter]

I could also install arch

just so I can brag to all of my totally real friends about it

[wheat plume]

:')

[smoky frigate]

I had to reinstall arch only yesterday because something in my system was fucked and it was a house made of hot glue, playing cards and toothpicks

[wheat plume]

Arch is so easy to install these days, its not even a brag anymore

[smoky frigate]

workarounds and permanent "temporary" solutions 1 year worth of, just kept stacking up

[marsh pewter]

this is pretty much the reason im afraid of installing arch

[wheat plume]

We got archinstall now that does it for us

[smoky frigate]

it's not so bad I just yolo everything and lose track

[marsh pewter]

well thats the issue

[smoky frigate]

an install usually lives around a year

[wheat plume]

whats this new installer that Ubuntu has?? Does it not use Ubiquity anymore?

[marsh pewter]

I also just yolo everything

am I supposed to know what im doing?

[smoky frigate]

honestly you'll be surprised how well it runs despite it all

[marsh pewter]

im sure arch is fine aswell

[wheat plume]

Arch tends to just work, unless you try to manually upgrade your nvidia drivers and forget to also update the kernel modules

[marsh pewter]

just not for me I dont think

[smoky frigate]

that's fair

[wheat plume]

Or you need printers to work....Arch doesnt like my printer

[marsh pewter]

look fellas im insane, just not THAT insane

[wheat plume]

LOL

Fedora is almost as up to date as Arch..but once a new version of the desktop comes out, you do have to wait for the next Fedora release

but other than that, everything else tends to get updated in real time

[marsh pewter]

first its installing arch, next thing I know im practically mutahar

[wheat plume]

:') Running kernel level anti-cheat in a VM so you can play GTA Online under Linux?

[marsh pewter]

nah running everything in a VM

[wheat plume]

Xd

My OS is just an Ubuntu instance running under ProxMox /S

[smoky frigate]

oh also, I replaced my damaged 12700KF with a brand new 12900KS, since they were suddenly dirt cheap with the release of the core ultra 200something line of CPUs. I figured my 140mm Peerless Assassin would be enough to cool it at stock settings. how foolish I was !

[wheat plume]

[marsh pewter]

gotta love intel's little space heaters

[smoky frigate]

it now runs with a 100mV undervolt and 200mhz less, still rips through x265 like a tank through upright walking skeletons though

I am quite happy with my purchase and can rest easy, knowing that this LGA 1700 DDR4 platform is maxed lel

[analog sinew]

POWAH

[marsh pewter]

my 11700k runs pretty hot (75 idle, 80-98 depending on load, usually around 85 on load). it is sorta my fault that I havent cared enough to fix it I guess...

asus mobo + intel cpu moment I suppose

[smoky frigate]

11th gen you poor fucker

[marsh pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/mengsedih-gif-23325538

[smoky frigate]

undervolting is a gr8 fix though!

[marsh pewter]

ye

I need to lookup a guide

[gusty kiln]

You can add a drive to vdev in truenas scale now

[marsh pewter]

I cant wait to upgrade

[gusty kiln]

Might not need to spend 250 on unraid

[smoky frigate]

12900KS was less than 300 bucks last saturday and it's still the fastest gaming CPU that intel has made

[marsh pewter]

im thinking of getting the 7600x3d microcenter bundle but im not super sold on 6 cores + apparently MC bundles suck sometimes

[gusty kiln]

Ram usually crap

[marsh pewter]

if only 7800x3d was a reasonable price

[gusty kiln]

Maybe when 9800x3d is out

[marsh pewter]

yeah im waiting for all the new gen stuff to come out

[smoky frigate]

it's super interesting to see how they will perform

[marsh pewter]

I probably wont make any purchases until the 50 series comes out

[iron wave]

I'm probably going to end up getting Zen 10 or so (if they stick with Zen that long and AMD64 is still the desktop arch).

[gusty kiln]

I'm going to go all out next upgrade

3-4 grand

[marsh pewter]

idk about crap but I've heard its usually medicore

[gusty kiln]

Dual ccd x3D cpu

Motherboard with the creature comforts

Probably 2nd fastest gpu at the time

X090 will be mine 2 grand alone

[smoky frigate]

case only made of fans, the true OnlyFans build

[marsh pewter]

how would that even work?

[iron wave]

I'm not going to upgrade until I can afford HEDT.

[iron wave]

Those large window fans for the large sides of the case, a bunch of PC fans for the rest and a lot of zip ties?

[smoky frigate]

https://wccftech.com/intel-ceo-lost-a-40-discount-for-tsmcs-latest-chip-tech-after-taiwan-remarks-report/

I will say it again: can't spell intel without l

[marsh pewter]

doesnt sound like the most stable thing

[umbral heron]

See kids?
That's why you hire a spokesperson, so that you won't have to pay $9k more per wafer

[ashen spindle]

No this is why you don’t write articles with random numbers that nobody can verify

[fickle ore]

this isnt true at all

Aint nobody at TSM gonna give INTC 40% discount when its their direct competitor

[smoky frigate]

https://www.reuters.com/technology/inside-intel-ceo-pat-gelsinger-fumbled-revival-an-american-icon-2024-10-29/

take it up with reuters, they quote "sources"

[fickle ore]

quality reuters article /s

[ashen spindle]

What they might get is discounts early when the node is ramping up before mass production since yields are low, or deals like apple that paid for good dies and not per wafer so the per wafer cost for them goes down

[smoky frigate]

the thumbnail do be looking like the "just fuck my shit up" meme

[ashen spindle]

And then over time that normalizes or similar, but nobody is getting leading nodes for half off lol

[fickle ore]

yeah

especially competitors

[wheat plume]

Im confused
says Pre-release but its also labelled as a Stable build???
whats going on?

[marsh pewter]

someone probably accidentally set it to a pre-release

[wheat plume]

maybe

Why does Redhat have cross-site cookies on Github?!

[empty wren]

So you get tracked downloading each Linux distro

[wheat plume]

:')

[wheat plume]

👀

[ashen spindle]

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/tsmc-is-in-a-heated-tussle-with-a-golf-course-to-build-the-most-advanced-2nm-chip-plant-on-the-planet who needs china if golf can block future fabs

[rough osprey]

the people want their money

[umbral heron]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-reportedly-priced-at-479-30-more-than-7800x3d-at-launch

[analog sinew]

if i can get it below 500€ i think thats ok

[leaden kiln]

taxes 🥹

[wheat plume]

is it normal for Windows laptops to get 8 hours of battery life with regular workload these days????

I see some reviewers being like "holy shit 6 hours of regular work battery life is total garbage" and things like that

[umbral heron]

If it's not doing anything in background I think so

[wheat plume]

Its Windows, it does a fuck ton of shit in the background

[ashen spindle]

Please elaborate what that fuck ton of shit in the background is

[tall pasture]

I’m experiencing an issue with my Wooting keyboard where the "1" key is not registering when I press it.

[wheat plume]

Same reviewer said the new XPS gets nearly 9 hours for the same workload

[tall pasture]

where can I report this? I've just gt my keyb a month ago

[ashen spindle]

Unplug and reconnect the keyboard

[tall pasture]

I’ve already tried to check for physical obstruction: I inspected the key for any debris or blockage. It looks clean, but I’ll clean it again just in case. I've disconnected and reconnected the keyboard to my computer. I ensured that the Wooting software is up to date. I tried connecting the keyboard to different USB ports to rule out a connection issue. I carefully removed the "1" keycap and reseated it to ensure it’s not stuck.

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258 then

[old marlin]

for reference, notebookchecks scoring based on battery life (idk why they don't give numbers here)

with the numbers for said XPS

so 16 and a half hours of H264

apple manages to do ~13% more

the time when it gets much less efficient than the mac is not when idling (aka background tasks) but when you are actually do stuff that is not just the media engine

[wheat plume]

oh wow

[old marlin]

said macbook air 15 M3 btw

websurfing can actually be quite demanding because it is 3d rendering

so if the GPU has to ramp up that can drain power

[ashen spindle]

If your workload is office suite you can get laptops that last 10-24 hours

[old marlin]

^ basically

also you can see that at max brightness the XPS is actually quite a bit better lol

[ashen spindle]

Biggest powerdraw is the screen if you have a oled laptop and use external screen you like triple the battery duration

Has nothing to do with windows and whatever it allegedly does in the background

[old marlin]

yea the difference between these two specifically seems more like how they idle etc

apple knows how people use their devices so they had the advantage of optimizing their chip design and drivers for that specifically ig?

so it can still perform quite well under specific usecases?

[ashen spindle]

Sleep states and similar as well as non oled screen are the biggest difference makers

[old marlin]

yea it prob has a better power state for web browsing stuff

if I were to guess

[ashen spindle]

Ehh idk I think for light use case the chip is just more power efficient combined with everything

That’s hard to pinpoint to one thing

[wheat plume]

I need to see if anyone did a comparison between the AMD and Intel Framework battery life

[latent pollen]

guys, do you know if keycaps (magnetic ones from wooting) affect in any way the speed and performance of keyboard? like pressing force or something, at all? or no?

[ashen spindle]

What, the keycaps aren’t magnetic

[latent pollen]

no like magnetic waves ones, the design

these ones

[halcyon moss]

Yes

You're gonna need to try hard to get similar results in linux

[pale sigil]

I can't get 8 hours

[latent pollen]

are u like 100% positive? doesn’t it change the force needed to press the key?

[pale sigil]

Then again it probably doesn't help to help have OLED brightness maxed out and I think 120hz a lot of the time

[ashen spindle]

Exactly

[latent pollen]

so switches are the ones that affect everything, not keycaps

[pale sigil]

Idk about the 120hz though

Pretty sure it's 60hz when not plugged in

[latent pollen]

ty

[ashen spindle]

Doesn’t matter oled draws more unless like more than half your screen is a really black and off

[halcyon moss]

And I've you're doing video calls on linux.. Yeah it is dead fast

[latent pollen]

but both keycaps from factory and these magnetic wave ones are made from pbt so there are no changes!

?*

[pale sigil]

Ah well, i try to use black but helpsout which is most of my use atm does not have a dark theme

oh and charging is capped at 80%

[latent pollen]

tyty

[proven valley]

Nonono

What?

[proven valley]

That is not true bruh 😭

[wheat plume]

Why does it take so long for Fedora to try to connect to wifi again??

[steep creek]

great suit for haloween
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rFqD1Np5P8

[fair gull]

man whenever i see BD showing of their robot tech i really get hopeful for the future

[wheat plume]

Ok, this interior is classy AF 😍
https://youtu.be/UVjDPynEvY4

[sudden imp]

I can’t even be interested in cars they are so expensive

If it runs I’m a happy camper

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-now-official-oc-support-20-faster-than-core-ultra-9-285k

[sudden imp]

I mean my mums Subaru from like the early 2010’s runs so I’m good

[fair gull]

but how much faster than 7800x3d in ff14

[ashen spindle]

Check the article

[fair gull]

only 6%

[umbral heron]

They're ruthless

[ashen spindle]

Well that’s the benchmark, the benchmark is about 50% gpu bound

[fair gull]

the other game increases are quite impressive though

[ashen spindle]

And higher clocks should mean the 1% lows are much better too

So for the actual use ingame it should be a lot more

Because this is marketing and not a review

[wheat plume]

Allegedly these will be 50 grand starting price.... doubt it but nice if it turns out that way

[fair gull]

sad they didnt list the settings and setup used to compare

[ashen spindle]

Well get reviews before it’s on sale

And I’ll get one anyway so I can take some actual ingame numbers to compare in hunt trains and similar

[fair gull]

thats good

[latent mural]

Hi, does anyone know how long it takes for them to take my order off “on hold” since my address was incorrect, but is correct now?

[cedar fog]

Did you reply to the email saying it is correct now

atp you just gotta wait

they have a backlog of emails

[latent mural]

Yess okay, thank you for letting me know!!

[old marlin]

it's US only anyways

also VW likes to have VERY barebone base configurations

[opaque rapids]

Whats the best way to clean keyboard? Just compressed air?

[sudden imp]

I hate how they raised the price for these cpus

[opaque rapids]

Which

[sudden imp]

The new 9800x3d

[opaque rapids]

I wish overwatch was on that list

Do these new x3d chips have equal performance in productivity as their non 3d counterparts

[umbral heron]

Why? Overwatch will run on a toaster

[opaque rapids]

Well people who want to run at the fps limit might care

[umbral heron]

We'll see on benchmarks

[opaque rapids]

Do they have a comparison to the 9950x

Or only 285k...

[ashen spindle]

We’re only getting the 9800x3d for now

And yes productivity is basically the same now that clocks don’t get reduced to hell anymore

[opaque rapids]

Does that mean it could just be an all around superior cpu for everything

[fair gull]

i guess would depend on 9950x getting an x3d or not

might have more cores

idk what the configs are like tbh

[ashen spindle]

It will we know that’s coming in Q1

We just don’t know if it’s mixed CCDs afaik or finally vcache on both

[opaque rapids]

If it's vcache on both would it be the best consumer cpu of all time

I have 9950x rn so hopefully it's not too much better that I need to upgrade and sell it...

[ashen spindle]

You certainly aren’t forced

[umbral heron]

If it will be double v-cache CCD I'd consider it
Having to specify CCD0 is sometimes bothersome

[old marlin]

we don't know how that would behave for consumers though lol

[ashen spindle]

?

wym how would it behave, it would be have exactly the same

[old marlin]

to make use of the extra cores in games you would probably need to sync the cache

at which point are the extra cores benefitting you more than the extra overhead of syncing the cache

[old marlin]

otherwise you just randomly have bad cache access latencies ig?

[ashen spindle]

wtf are you on about, the 9950x already exists if the 9950x3d has vcache on both it will behave the exact same

if a game doesnt scale well you just disable one ccd like you already do but most cases thats not needed and with it you could just not care which CCD it gets put on

[opaque rapids]

All i know is the 9950x runs games better than my old 12700k and is 2x faster in productivity tasks...

[old marlin]

you don't have that amount of cache on the 9950x though

[ashen spindle]

yeah the dual vcache chip would just get extra L3 on both

I dont see how that changes anything for thread behaviour

[old marlin]

well

it either has to be mirrored

which would mean you got some delays in filling it

or it would not be mirrored

meaning that some cores have very high access latencies since they need to get data from another CCD

[bright pebble]

Does the 9000 series still use CPPC?

[ashen spindle]

what, you dont get data from another CCD if the L3 misses

that goes out to main memory

none of this changes compared to the regular 16 cores

[old marlin]

I'd assume that getting it from the other CCD might be faster

you would prob access your data twice though

so both CCDs have access

[ashen spindle]

if it gets evicted form l3 it gets removed form cache not moved to another l3

and even if, this would still not change the behaviour of non vcache dual ccds

[old marlin]

it's not about getting it evicted

it's about requiring data in both CCDs which introduces overhead

[ashen spindle]

idk what you mean with requiring data in both ccds

[old marlin]

if cores from both CCDs are supposed to handle your game

then both CCDs require at least some of the data in the v cache to actually make use of said v cache

[ashen spindle]

you mean if thread 17 is on the second ccd and wants to update the mainthread after its done which is one the other ccd

[old marlin]

for example

also core scheduler might not just give you a nice thread 1 to 16 assigned

so you might get 1 to 8 and 17 to 25 or something

[ashen spindle]

but thats not vcache related at all because you have these problems on base dual ccds too

[old marlin]

yea but it invalidates more of the vcache benefits

[ashen spindle]

no

most data in a cache is references the same cores needs to access

[bright pebble]

Cppc handles that for the most part, at least for games

[ashen spindle]

if you access a variable often like the last known enemy count that gets just referenced form cache over and over, the primary data in the cache would not be the results of your calculations that other cores then need

caches and dram store informations and are memory but you dont use them in the same way

idk if I explained that well enough

but it being bigger doesnt mean it needs to be duplicated or anything to have the benefit

[old marlin]

well it is not just bigger

[ashen spindle]

otherwise a game on the 7950x3d would just die the moment it uses both ccds

[old marlin]

that is why I am not sure if it is actually better

[old marlin]

yea obv

[ashen spindle]

yes it changes the L3 rountrip time and lowers clocks by like 2% but thats the same as if it was just bigger inherently

[old marlin]

but you still loose perf

idk I personally just am apprehensive to just call it outright better until I see results

seen a lot of people that already hype it as the greatest thing since sliced bread

before we even know how it would perform outside of pure server tasks

[ashen spindle]

but we already know how it works on the 7950x3d

and what the issues are

aka it being assigned to the wrong ccd

[old marlin]

the 7950x3d does not have the same setup though

people just assume it works perfectly neatless for some reason

which imo would not be the case exactly

[ashen spindle]

wym it does not have the same setup

[old marlin]

it doesn't have 2 v cache CCDs to begin with

[ashen spindle]

correct

[old marlin]

people assume if both CCDs have the v cache it would just behave like a "bigger" 7800x3d

[ashen spindle]

no people assume that it would behave like a 7950x3d except if you have a game using a 17th thread on the next CCD you dont have a drop in clock speed or cache depending on what the primary threads are on

[old marlin]

not from what I have seen

[ashen spindle]

I mean get someoone to run a game on genoa-x and you already know how it works

this isnt new tech just new for desktop if it happens

[old marlin]

yea ik

I just don't entirely trust it working perfectly just yet

[ashen spindle]

but I dont see why, it already works on the 7950x3d

[old marlin]

it only works if the core parking isn't working as intended

and then it works subpar

because your game gets at least some cores with a different featureset than it wants/prefers

not really the same

[ashen spindle]

yeah and thats what dual vcache would fix

by both being identical

[astral haven]

is anything actually confirmed about 98x3d?

[green forge]

no

[ashen spindle]

yes they showed that its cache die under the ccd

[green forge]

when?

[ashen spindle]

as well as price

when I linked it earlier which started the topic

[astral haven]

they reduced cache?

[green forge]

my bad, w

[ashen spindle]

reduced? should be the same 64mb size v$

[astral haven]

ah i see yea still 96 total

[green forge]

do you think there'll be actual improvements or just like this gen 5% lol

[astral haven]

120w tdp is promising
is that actually 120w tho or is this 105w tdp again and they are just being closer to the actual 135w power limit?

[ashen spindle]

yes it has higher clocks due to it not being limited from cache on top getting too hot

thats why the nT performance is much higher vs 7800x3d

[astral haven]

oh hmm i didnt realize 7800x3d was 120w tdp as well

[green forge]

maybe overclockable?

[ashen spindle]

and you can OC it, people did 5.5 all core direct die

[green forge]

thats crazy

[astral haven]

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/images/power-per-application.png
yanno lying about tdp in this direction is fine imo, we need more of this

highest power consumption seen being 30w lower than tdp?
👍 👍 👍 👍

[ashen spindle]

I'd assume because tdp is what they said for cooling power and you'd need more cooling power since it has the more sensible vache

zen5 also has a much bettrer v/f curve so should still be good for this gen

[wheat plume]

😍

https://youtu.be/Gt3fxVIFb3A

[ashen spindle]

whatever you prefer

[outer peak]

Yes✅

[green forge]

80he if you like f keys a lot and don't like fn layers too much

yeah

I mean if you're not going to be constantly carrying it around and have ample desk space then obviously

[outer peak]

80 raw if you want to be one of the cool kids😎

[floral beacon]

Glad i preorderd RAW then >_>

[outer peak]

Welcome brother

[fathom imp]

tronic🟠

🟠

[outer peak]

https://tenor.com/view/the-hell-is-that-gif-27667584

[final flame]

Orange

[marsh glade]

That's a timeout is what that is

[torpid sky]

Who's hyped for the 5090 🙂

https://tenor.com/view/dh9511dh-empty-wallet-hurt-look-away-gif-13355852

What's that?

[steady sail]

yeah i wanna see amd gpu's as well

tho if they gonna reach atleast 5070 level of performance or 5070 ti performance im gonna be more then happy

[torpid sky]

True! I wonder what amd is gonna do, there usually amazing bang for buck

[leaden kiln]

vram 🤤

[steady sail]

vram and price

tho vram is not an issue for me

im more than happy with 12gb

i might gonna go with RDNA4 instead of last gen

but im gonna wait till whats the prices gonna be

[leaden kiln]

im speaking from inside vr so can never have too much 💀

[steady sail]

yeah i dont have a VR headset soo

[leaden kiln]

🍻

[steady sail]

tho if price wise RDNA4 is gonna be bad im just gonna get a 7900 GRE

im more then happy with the GRE or the XT as i want it for gaming

[leaden kiln]

I am also looking at getting an xtx at some point probs

[torpid sky]

My rtx 3070 is showing it's age nowadays 😔 might be time to upgrade depending on either price cuts or what's the best bang for buck on new gen

[fair gull]

or just dont play at highest settings

🤯

[leaden kiln]

my gpu sleeps at highest settings in flatscreen
1080p60 monitor with an rx6800 lol

[wheat plume]

This comment is delusional
Chromebooks are nowhere near this powerful lol

[leaden kiln]

😭

[vapid ruin]

Can wait for 5070

[vapid ruin]

You can't upgrade Chromebook

[ashen spindle]

dont bother caring about youtube comments

[vapid ruin]

umu

[steady sail]

ah yes the NVIDIA RTX AI 5070 12gb

[vapid ruin]

it'll be an 'upgrade' from his 3070 8gb

[leaden kiln]

gtx -> rtx -> aix

[fair gull]

there definitely is i7 chromebooks

[astral haven]

pay the same price for the chromebook and you get the same power

[fair gull]

you usually pay less unless framework dropped their prices recently

[wheat plume]

Some people are saying that they have doubts framework will be around in 10 years

[astral haven]

chromebooks have alot longer support contracts yea

[wheat plume]

Don't Chromebooks have a built in timer that bricks them after like 3 years of use?

[astral haven]

lol good one

[wheat plume]

:')

[steady sail]

"ChromeOS devices receive 10 years of updates."

[wheat plume]

But seriously
Framework will be just fine in 10 years
I'm sure???

[astral haven]

their enterprise support contracts expire, and thats when enterprises yeet them

then you the end user can buy them for 50% off with 7 years of security updates remaining

[ashen spindle]

framework could be around in 10 years, could fail in 5

google certainly will be around, framework definitely has a higher chance to fail

[astral haven]

to big to fail is still a popular sentiment in the us

[wheat plume]

Framework aren't that big ;_;

[astral haven]

yea

[wheat plume]

And a lot of people don't buy them cause they cost way more for the initial hardware than other similar speced laptops

[fair gull]

best comparison i can get rn. the framework sadly has no 120gb option for storage

but yeah you almost pay double

[astral haven]

to be fair to framework i suspect that model has a pretty painful screen on the chromebook

generally have to pay a ton

tho, itll almost always be a touchscreen which is sweet

[fair gull]

yeah i cant compare screens in that way obviously but also is it really worth double the cost

[astral haven]

yo wtf thats a super nice screen

[wheat plume]

Yes cause in 5 years you just buy the new motherboard instead of a whole new laptop

Which is about 400-500 depending on the CPU

[fair gull]

but do i need to

maybe ill use the chromebook 10years

[astral haven]

so spending another ~$400 when the chromebook will continue to work

[wheat plume]

No
If you happy with the performance you don't need to spend extra

[fair gull]

i mean the main thing id be unhappy with is the battery life of a framework if anything

most reviews ive seen over the last year or 2 mentions the poor batterylife

especially cause extensioncards apparently dont properly powerdown when the device is in sleep

[ashen spindle]

the issue is if framework is double the price and I need to spend 400 to upgrade in 5 years I can just buy another half priced alternative in 5 and am good for 10 and who knows if the upgrade option even still works then form framework

because only then I would start saving

[astral haven]

chromebook battery life is amazing, they have 20wh batteries lasting a day its crazy

[vapid ruin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXZ1PG2KMfs

Switches doesn't seems to be hotswappable

Also not all switches is HE

[steady sail]

ah yeah corsair pls

[vapid ruin]

$180

Yeh no

[fair gull]

yeah i always am somewhat worried cause either they support their current mobo layout screw and size wise until like 10-20 years later and probably needlessly limit themselves or they make new mobos that dont fit the old but can innovate

[balmy vector]

Its the steelseries modo, they got HE switches with cluster as their corsair branded switches

At least the HEs are htoswap

[vapid ruin]

Oh, very nice

HE, no matter how long lasting, gonna break someday

[astral haven]

uh

[balmy vector]

Just like everything else with age

[fair gull]

same with the expansion cards tbh

they might need a new form factor at some point for certain functions

[astral haven]

i suspect they can last quite a while

[balmy vector]

We improve, adapt, Expand the factory

[ashen spindle]

the idea is nice but makes little sense as consumer if it doesnt pay off

[fair gull]

also in 10years i prob want more than just a new mobo

like a new ssd, new keyboard

maybe a new screen

they all wear down

maybe even a new chasis cause the hinges fail

[balmy vector]

New desk, new chair, new bed

[astral haven]

yea screens i hope are about to go gangbusters in the next 5-10 years

[balmy vector]

Gamer chair that is also a bed

[fair gull]

on a gaming pc yes i just replace the parts i do wanna upgrade... but thats cause the other stuff isnt integrated into my pc case... like my mouse and keyboard

with a chromebook sure i maybe buy a new one 10yrs later but i replace all of that in one go

cause its 1 new device

[balmy vector]

Speaking of case, what case do you have for your build?

[fair gull]

pc case?

[balmy vector]

Mhm

[fair gull]

dark base 700

my beloved

[broken gale]

Unrelated, but Chromebooks are horrendous. (At least in my opinion)

[balmy vector]

Niiiiice 👍

I like that one

[fair gull]

im somewhat sad they never made a bigger version for 40series cards

and the new 900 or whatever the successor is isnt for me with its new frontpanel design and such

[astral haven]

its just lack of experience
people use macbooks every day and are even happy with them

some people even daily drive linux

[balmy vector]

I wish i could get a better glass panel on my 7000d airflow

[fair gull]

the chromebooks i used years ago at my old job were more than fine and nice for everyday use and such

[vapid ruin]

Invasion GT-200 Black, got everything I need and I can lay it down like a server

[balmy vector]

The black ones too tinted, makes it difficult to see everything in there without an insane amount of RGB

[fair gull]

i turn of all rgb anyway so not an issue for me

id actually prefer a steel side panel tbh

[balmy vector]

I like seeing if it’s getting too dusty

[leaden kiln]

gg the dust

[soft hare]

E

[broken gale]

I haven't owned one, but know multiple people who did. And the problem seems to always be that most stuff just doesn't run on them. Sure its good for browsing and notes maybe, but even most Universities around me recommend against them, cause you wont even be able to properly use their VPN.

[astral haven]

chromeos is the sleekness of macos with the tweaking of windows, and a larger app library than either, the problem is chromeos is so slick it can be run on $70 of computer components with no obvious problem on a demo shelf, so people do that and sell them for $200, and then you are comparing a computer that cost a grand with $700 of components vs a computer that cost $200 with $70 of components

[balmy vector]

Little dust circle strikes again

[astral haven]

again thats lack of experience
our 10 year old hardware vpn unit that doesnt use a common protocol works with the chromebooks (not amazingly but it does work)
every standard vpn works perfectly, they just dont know how to set it up because they havent used it because they dont know how to set it up and it cycles forever

[royal zenith]

T1?

[leaden kiln]

🤨

yeah

[royal zenith]

Nice

[leaden kiln]

yeah its aight

[broken gale]

Wouldn't necessarily say it's a lack of experience if a lot of software down right declines to support chromeos

[astral haven]

except it does via android or webapps

[leaden kiln]

wish I had the front io usb port but its always out of stock

[astral haven]

the one field that has poor support is probably video editing, but google is working on fixing that right now and for casual usecases you can already get by

[broken gale]

Maybe it has gotten better over the last year or two, but for me the software support was just far too limiting, chromeos itself and the devices are fine.

[astral haven]

remember, all of android works on current chromebooks

if you cant find what you need on android, you arent looking hard enough

on top of that theres partial linux support, just about as good as wsl

[broken gale]

Yeah, or I just buy a windows/linux laptop directly

[astral haven]

for more money with less battery life

every complaint that people leverage against windows and push mac or linux is fixed by chromeos

[broken gale]

Depends on how willing you are to look at the specs when buying your laptop. There is loads of cheap yet really good windows laptops.

[astral haven]

nowhere near as many as chromebooks

sure on a chromebook you might get emmc for $200
on windows you might get a hdd for $500

[broken gale]

Eh, I paid 330€ got a 512Gb SSD, 8GBs of ram and a Ryzen 3 5300U

[astral haven]

new?

[marsh glade]

Bye bye birdie Google
https://openai.com/index/introducing-chatgpt-search/

[broken gale]

Yes

[astral haven]

when?

[broken gale]

October 2022

[astral haven]

wow only 2 years after the processor released

heres an 8 core that is slightly slower but far better for battery life, otherwise similar spec

but yours probably doesnt have a touchscreen

also about 2 years old

[ashen spindle]

oh btw since we were about 7800x3d power consumption earlier

thats shader compilation with full usage

[astral haven]

82w peak thats pretty low

[hexed tartan]

Wsp guys, I got the wooting 60HE with lube 2 months ago and I plan on lubing it soon.

1. Is it complicated to do?
2. the lube I got is for just one time ? Or multiple times
3. Usually how often should u lube ur wooting?

[iron orbit]

omg

[broken gale]

On a great day that processor is about as fast as mine, while mine was purchased 2 years ago. Further, although that probably is just a region thing, I can only find that laptop without touch, for about 370€ right now

[merry hill]

lubing magnetic switched can be simple, you can look up a tutorial on youtube

[merry hill]

you can use the lube on other keyboards aswell

[broken gale]

I know windows laptops are usually the more expensive option, but for the OS alone that small difference is worth it

[astral haven]

right i forgot to count inflation
so this was worth $235

[merry hill]

you only gotta lube switches once

[hexed tartan]

Only got the wooting, js meant if the amount is enough for multiple times throughout time