🔌│tech

[jagged light]

bc i’m in school

[quaint dew]

excuse the shit photo but 21x9 131 ergo claw on dav3p

comfy for me

[jagged light]

gprox super light

[quaint dew]

ergo mouse similar in shape to xlite

[stoic jetty]

Just hop on xm2w 4k, goated claw shape

[primal musk]

Buddy lamzu Atlantis

[quaint dew]

2 or bust, v1 doesnt have usbc which is so mid

[stoic jetty]

XM2W 4K > LAMZU Atlantis

[rough osprey]

its not even out

[stoic jetty]

Will be next wednesday

[jagged light]

does anyone know how much better the 2 is compared to the 1

GproX

[stoic jetty]

Don‘t get Logikek

[primal musk]

Polling rate and diffrent kord

Don’t get that damn shit hole mouse

[rough osprey]

maybe it got problems or stuff

[jagged light]

why do y’all hate the gprox

[jagged light]

how much change does the polling rate make

[stoic jetty]

It‘s a potatoe

[rough osprey]

mouse "enthusiast" wanna be different so bad

[primal musk]

Horrible build and material feels like you’re holding a bean doesn’t fit in anyone’s hand. Well, the performance is not that great.

[stoic jetty]

A lot

1k is dog in late 2024

[primal musk]

Get anything but logitech

[jagged light]

does the 1st have 1k?

[stoic jetty]

ig you‘re fine with 1k hz polling if your‘re still lagging on 144Hz monitor

[jagged light]

the rvm dosent fit in a lot of people hands

[primal musk]

I have a 165 hz monitor

I use 2k

[jagged light]

i have a 60hz

[primal musk]

1k

[rough osprey]

o

[jagged light]

i plan to upgrade to 144 soon though

around the same time i would get the mouse

[primal musk]

Anything lower than 1k polling rate

[frozen ingot]

its not really a standout mouse these days but its become hip to crap on it, its worst sin is being very overpriced at msrp

[primal musk]

Average fornite kid gets the logi gpx and apex pro lol

[rough osprey]

get a dex

[jagged light]

i play overwatch 2

[primal musk]

I play siege 🥵

[jagged light]

what is a standout mouse these days

[stoic jetty]

2k at 400dpi 😭

[primal musk]

Viper v3 pro

[primal musk]

800 better?

[stoic jetty]

You need to move your mouse 1.25m/s to even get enough data for 2k hz😭

[rough osprey]

lol

atleast say something special

[jagged light]

anything cheaper?

[primal musk]

Is 800 better for 2k?

[stoic jetty]

OP1 8K/ XM2 8K
just hop on wired, the cable is pretty gold

[jagged light]

i want a new experience

from my razer viper mini

[stoic jetty]

Also wireless tech makes you look like this

[jagged light]

?

[leaden kiln]

my mouse is wireless but that won't stop me from using it wired

[rough osprey]

maybe lethal cable is good

[stoic jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/pov-you-giga-chad-chad-meme-gif-25615024

[rough osprey]

but stock egg no

[jagged light]

@rough osprey which gprox do you have

[stoic jetty]

stock egg cable is the best „stock“ cable out of any mouse lol

Just gotta push the sleeve starting at ferrit core towards the stress relief and then the cable is pretty good

[rough osprey]

2

[stoic jetty]

ofc lgg cable is better

[primal musk]

V34 🤯

[jagged light]

should i even consider the 1

[frozen ingot]

tbh am not that versed in mice to name a particular model, is just that you can get competing brands with similar shape/features to gpx for less now

[jagged light]

but the price of the gpx dosent concern me

[leaden kiln]

I like how the gpx looks on my desk :)

[jagged light]

i would too

[rough osprey]

maybe used

[primal musk]

I like how my gpx looks in the trash

[frozen ingot]

idk I just find it poor value, especially given you put up with g hub for that

[jagged light]

so not new

[leaden kiln]

I also don't play any games so don't take advice from me

[jagged light]

so i should get the 2

[rough osprey]

i would get a 2

[jagged light]

ok i’ll get the 2

thanks toasty and everyone else

what color did you get

[primal musk]

Same price as viper v3 pro doofise

[jagged light]

why are you hurling insults

[rough osprey]

yall vipers are that cheap?

[jagged light]

when i looked it up gpx2 is 130 v3 is 180

[rough osprey]

big price difference here

[stoic jetty]

Logikek GPX 2 is 120€
VV3P is 130€

[frozen ingot]

yeah wouldn't blow 180 on a mouse either tbh

[leaden kiln]

When I bought my gpx people said nice mouse, then a few months later they said buy a mouse that isn't dogshit 👴

[stoic jetty]

The best mice (xm2 8k/ op1 8k) are only 75€ 😱

[kind tendon]

so is it just me or does wooting have some of the worst support i have ever seen in my entire life lmao.

[leaden kiln]

Just you

[frozen ingot]

especially given the average lifetime of mice these days

[jagged light]

i heard it was good

[frozen ingot]

wooting support is great, once they've responded

[kind tendon]

honestly, i have a few people with keyboards that came in faulty and most of them it was like pulling teeth but then i had a few people get good tech support too

[alpine patio]

they are just overloaded

[kind tendon]

i figured

[frozen ingot]

they're just severely backlogged on customer support

[alpine patio]

so the waiting times a long

terribly so, unfortunately

they are hiring rapidly

[frozen ingot]

but once they are dealing with your issue they'll make it right

[kind tendon]

yeah it changed my shipment address to an old address in another state, i contacted them for the last two days to get it changed, they told me to contact FEDEX, so i contacted them and they said wooting has to call and im like LOOOO

and its already shipped

thats so awesome

[frozen ingot]

classic courier

[kind tendon]

love that

[frozen ingot]

"its those other guys responsibility"

[kind tendon]

i guess ill be playing email tag, do they offer that kind of support in the discord?

[marsh pewter]

no

[kind tendon]

damn worth a shot

atleast they got emotes

thank you!

[leaden kiln]

I thought discord support would be kinda cancer but after dealing with it from one company I think I prefer it to email

[kind tendon]

same

i had an issue with a 3d print i bought my sister and contacting them through discord was top notch

[rough osprey]

try instagram support

haha doesnt exist

[leaden kiln]

oh hell nah

[kind tendon]

your wild for that

i put in another ticket and another email.. praying fr

cause no one that i know lives at that address anymore so free keyboard i guess

[leaden kiln]

I know a lot of people doing small stuff use discord, but I don't know many companies that actually do cs via discord
Can only think of the one I dealt with

[marsh glade]

CS via Discord at scale is a minefield of risk

[kind tendon]

yeah it was a 3d print hub for us, i ordered a 3d print through discord to skip some taxes and fees on Etsy which i thought was funny.

also quick question, im building an all white rig this time with all white pc accessories EXCEPT this keyboard, i know they sell the white backing on wooting but do i have to get the keycaps on this website too

or can i just find any keycap kit on amazon for a full sized wooting

IF i even get the damn keyboard here

[leaden kiln]

I was pleasantly surprised but I can imagine it being a lot worse if it was done differently

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/EJQvH1XvbGc

[proven valley]

hello

[lone drum]

sup

[queen quail]

Ist the 60he+ or the 80he better?

[ashen spindle]

whatever layout you prefer

[queen quail]

But from the specs and Funktions

[ashen spindle]

essentially the same

[queen quail]

Ok

[empty wren]

8khz and led bar on 80HE

That is really only distinguishment besides key number

[analog sinew]

any cherry mx stem (which is basically all of them) works

as long as the layout is right ofc

no need to buy from wooting

[iron wave]

Is there a way to make the IDE in MS office not suck?

[smoky frigate]

I did the right thing and ordered a 12900KS to replace my faulty 12700KF, since those cpus are 290 eurodollar now

makes by far the most sense for my system that has DDR4 ram and a nutty cooler

looking forward to it

[astral haven]

cant make it work with vscode?

the google sheets ide is fine enough that i havent bothered trying to work outside of it

[nimble canopy]

MS office ide
what?

[astral haven]

theres some wonky stuff you can do with scripts in office programs (most usefully excel)

it looks like this and its really awful

[crimson wigeon]

Oh ha, that looks like a feature that was added back in 2002 and never touched since

[midnight summit]

I just spent 400€ more than i could have just for RGBs, i don't know how to feel

[iron wave]

I can't install that on a work computer.

[iron wave]

Pfft, more like the 90s.

[smoky frigate]

instant regret?

[midnight summit]

Not really, it has always been a dream of mine having these fancy stuff, it's just that it doesn't feel right spending 400€ on rgb while having a 6900xt when i could've got a 7900xtx instead

This is what i bought btw (CPU is for my brother)

[smoky frigate]

if you don't do it now you will never do it I guess

[midnight summit]

Basically i'm doing kinda of a frankenstein, giving everything i have now except the CPU to my brother, and getting new stuff for myself

I should get some sleeved cables as well at some point

[jagged light]

@quaint dew

[quaint dew]

ye?

[stoic jetty]

6900xt > 7900xt

Also shouldn‘t order hardware on amazon, most of the time it‘s way more expensive

[jagged light]

im home now

I still palm grip the RVM

so idk why a bigger mouse while stop me froma palming

[final flame]

I would highly recommend not using the the NZXT ecosystem of products
waste of money and terrible software

and mediocre performance

case is fine

but their software I'd rate even lower than icue

[wheat plume]

Wat

[quaint dew]

• kraken is mid as well

[midnight summit]

I'll mess with it once and that's it, so i won't really bother with it to be fair

[wheat plume]

Is microsoft hinting they are gonna have dark theme for the older UIs?!

[final flame]

Cam needs to be run in the background if you want to have fan curves afaik

[midnight summit]

Doesn't the pump saves them in memory or something

[final flame]

not from what I remember

[midnight summit]

yikes

[wheat plume]

^ ikr

Muh BAckWArdS COmpatIblITy

or laziness

Rectify11 does that and they look nice with that applied

same here ....

[ashen spindle]

what even is that image from, how should we be able to reply to that questions if that could be some ai generated prompt on a random site

[wheat plume]

Its the 10 year anniversary wallpaper for the Windows Insider Program

I got an email from Microsoft with the link to the forum post and the wallpaper in light and dark versions

[honest pilot]

Is it worth it to buy a 60he+?

[ashen spindle]

thats what you have to decide for yourself

[wheat plume]

If you are in the market for the best 60% hall effect keyboard, then yes

[smoky frigate]

if you edit excel spreadsheets: NO
gaming: yeah

[midnight summit]

Imo you should get a 60he module

[honest pilot]

Isnt the iqunix ez63 or ez60 better? Because for example of the 0.05mm

[honest pilot]

I do gaming that is why i wabt to buy a keyboard like this

[wheat plume]

this is the most bizarre looking keyboard ever

every keyboard has worse software than Wooting tbf

[final flame]

you say that like plasma default windows don't look very similar

[wheat plume]

LOL TRUE

[crimson wigeon]

I mean the theming system has technically always supported dark themes, at least the older one. I definitely have hacked together dark mode to Windows XP, maybe even 98

[wheat plume]

yeah, its very possible, Rectify11 proves that

[honest pilot]

Why should i just get a 60he module?

[final flame]

just use a theme, it's very easy to change the colors of the default windows and other stuff like icons

[wheat plume]

If you already have switches, case and keycaps to install on it

[honest pilot]

Yes but i dont have them i have just keycaps from my steelseries i use now

[wheat plume]

or you wanna pick the other stuff Wooting offer that is not available prebuilt

[honest pilot]

Is the difference that big?

[wheat plume]

yeah, its a lot

[ashen spindle]

its purely personaly preference

[wheat plume]

L60 is better to have if you use the analog features a lot in games

[ashen spindle]

for some it makes absolutely no difference

[wheat plume]

L45 is nicer to type on

[ashen spindle]

thats purely preference

[honest pilot]

Is the 80he better than the 60he?

Why?

[ashen spindle]

it's essentially the same, getting a size that you prefer to use is a bigger difference

[wheat plume]

🤔 its so weird looking

why the sides so tall?

[honest pilot]

Idk like poling rate and that stuff

[honest pilot]

In my opinion the Design is weird

[wheat plume]

OH GOSH NO, the way they add in the arrow keys on the 63% model is by making the rows narrower

I hate this

[honest pilot]

If i use my keyboard just for gaming is the 60he then better than the 80he?

[midnight summit]

It all comes down to preference

for example, would you like to access the arrow keys without layers?

[honest pilot]

Why is 80he better?

[wheat plume]

8k polling

[honest pilot]

Yes i asked

But is it just the poling rate?

[wheat plume]

80HE = larger layout + 8k polling
60HE = smaller layout + more case / modding support + 1k polling

[honest pilot]

I dont thing i will mod my keyboard a lot i think the only thing would be the keycaps

The 80he would cost me 20€ more than the 60he if i say i dont need keycaps because of my steelseries keycaps. So should i pay the 20€ more and get the 80he for 200€

[midnight summit]

I wouldn't use those keycaps to be fair, i'd rather get the stock wooting 80he and change the keycaps afterward

I'm actually planning on doing so with these, that will hopefully match the ghost case https://shop.tai-hao.com/products/abs-104-t31bk101

[honest pilot]

But for now i could put on the steelseries ones and buy then New ones

[midnight summit]

yeah you could

[final flame]

that's actually cool how the arrows are a different profile

[midnight summit]

Yeah, although i'm getting those to match the ghost case, i didn't even notice that

[marsh pewter]

unless you really like the layout of the 80he, no

I mean your money your choice, but I'd strongly advise against it

[wheat plume]

I hope NPUs dont cause issues with Linux once they are installed in every laptop and PC motherboard, if Microsoft get their way anyway, they will be installed on every computer

[ashen spindle]

im already getting deja vus from having this conversation again

nono I mean specifically with lana

okay seems like it was just about using npus under linux

anyway it literally doesnt matter for linux what microsoft wants to do with them

[wheat plume]

good point

[frozen ingot]

big bad boogiesoft windowsman gonna devour happy feet os

[ashen spindle]

well not listed as pcie device because its not connected via pcie but yes similar to that

well they are quite literally on the cpu silicon

no its not part of the cpu core

its a seperate block on the SoC

the npu is part of the SoC tile, thats the tile that has HDMI, usb etc. logic in it

think like an APU but instead of integrated graphic its just integrated npu

on stuff like amds monolithic strix its set up like this

well yes and no

[wheat plume]

Ah
So the useless npu is taking up space on the soc

Ffs

[ashen spindle]

the physical size doesnt mean much since stuff like cache and analog logic dont scale donw

[wheat plume]

Sand xd

[ashen spindle]

so if you have a 3nm cpu core with idk 120million transistors on on mm2, that means you pack as much of that into the cores, but for the memory phy that might only be 10m tr/mm2

because you dont need your hdmi connector to run at 5ghz

so theres no point making it with smaller transistors when its easier and cheaper keeping it big

[ashen spindle]

thats why on this one the SOC tile is on the oldes node, and the silicon beneath it even older because you basically just use that as transport wires for the signal that the cpu cores have calulated

[wheat plume]

AI is being shoehorned into so many things and ruining everything it's put into

[little silo]

AI Expanded and Enhanced

[wheat plume]

Someone I know wants to get a retro handheld
And he's looking at some random unknown garbage brand on AliExpress that is 30 dollars and looks like it can barely handle Gameboy Advanced

And I tried to tell him to get an Anbernic instead cause they are actually reliable and he's not listening

This is the one he wants to get and I've never seen this brand name before
WTF

Ikr!!!

I'm sure it can handle 3d games!!!!
Totally not gonna struggle with anything above Gameboy level

He has a steam deck already
But he claims it's too hard to use

No

This guy is a friend of my sister

Well.....
Not friend, more like annoying guy who talks to her too often

[gusty kiln]

kek he thristy

[wheat plume]

He has an rtx 4080 in his PC
Idk why he wanted a Deck or a retro handheld

Speaking of retro handhelds
I need to fix the firmware on my one
Had to temporarily use its SD card to try to get an old Raspberry Pi working again
So now I need to get the firmware installed on it again

[iron wave]

I'm going to guess no one has info on this but: does anyone know of a PCI-e switch that could do PCI-e 3x4?

[ashen spindle]

@astral haven probably knows that best

what exactly do you need one for

[astral haven]

There are dozens of options

[iron wave]

The idea is to shove multiple devices into a M.2 slot.

So 2 PCI-e devices sharing 4 lanes from a M.2 slot.

[astral haven]

Non m.2 pcie devices?

[iron wave]

Yeah but that's not a huge deal, you can just use OCuLink and other silliness.

[astral haven]

Well if you are OK with M.2 there's a screaming deal on a U. 2 quad m. 2 carrier on eBay rn

[iron wave]

Oh?

[astral haven]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/356029156199

[iron wave]

Oh that's U.2.

[astral haven]

Yea, nab 3 m. 2 to oculink and a oculink to u.2 and you'll be good to go for super cheap

[iron wave]

That's kinda crazy.

I wonder what that huge BGA is.

[astral haven]

There's a thread on sth
I think they posted the lspci

[iron wave]

Unfortunately that's quite a bit more beefy and huge than my silly plans which is just 3x4 -> 2x3x4.

[astral haven]

This is probably the smallest PCIe 3.0 option in general

The 2.0 single port switches are smaller

[iron wave]

Hm, that's mildly unfortunate then.

I guess this is more of a crazy server sort of thing, but with how few lanes consumer chips have I was hoping there would be some options.

[astral haven]

For full on PCIe slots not really
There's a consumer u.2 to quad m. 2 but its only x2

[iron wave]

Honestly looking for chips for a stupid project to bikeshed.

[astral haven]

If you want cheap pcie switch, this is the best deal I've seen besides ancient motherboards

[sudden imp]

What is the meme with zen 5% isn’t getting 5% more performance good gen after gen since most people don’t regularly upgrade?

[sharp badger]

https://www.mobvoi.com/nordic/pages/ticwatchatlas New TicWatch

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/cqXxrQeVJrs

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9000x3d-rumored-to-feature-reversed-ccd-and-3d-v-cache-layering ah that could explains why the clocks/heat works better this gen

[cursive summit]

Found this interesting, it's as you said Quin

https://wccftech.com/intel-core-ultra-9-285k-sold-out-in-flash-japan-out-of-stock-us-retailers-supply-low/

The demand is there, sadly, but supply is non existent eh

Some local listings also appeared, 0 supply

[ashen spindle]

Demand isn’t there, if you have 10 units that’s not demand if it’s sold out that’s overclockers and co wanting it even if it was -50% lol

[cursive summit]

Well even if the few units sold out, there's still than old fashioned, dare I say "brainwashed" folk that always buys Intel no matter what

[ashen spindle]

Sure that’s always the case

[cursive summit]

I have a hard time figuring out under what circumstances you'd buy Intel not just out of being a fan of that company but of necessity, something AVX? Isn't in AVX Intel actually worse than AMD nowadays or something like that?

[ashen spindle]

Chipset/platform if you need connectivity

[cursive summit]

With connectivity, do you mean PCIe lanes?

I remember that being a bit of an issue to some users of Ryzen where they are somewhat pushed to buying Threadripper for that reason

[ashen spindle]

Thunderbolt ports, if you are limited by the chipset links etc.

[cursive summit]

Isn't USB4 effectively the same somewhat

Or did they push out TB5 yet with the 80gbps bandwidth, then there's I suppose a real advantage there

[ashen spindle]

Just the amount of ports and pcie lanes. Some camm2 boards so people going for mem speed would be a reason too

[cursive summit]

Oo, the legendary CAMM2

I heard so much good about it that I'm still wondering if it's replacing DDR

[ashen spindle]

It’s still ddr

[cursive summit]

Well, the conventional one

[ashen spindle]

Just not on dimms

[cursive summit]

Maybe by 2030, who knows

[thick elk]

SO-DIMM is probably the first to go, already losing ground and laptop manufacturers have an interest in having these modules be exchangeable.
Not for user upgrades, but because it makes it easier to have different sku's in assembly.

Servers probably not very keen on moving, as DIMM's are far better for density in a rack configuration and large amounts of memory.
That leaves the desktop, probably be a matter of price premium vs performance gain.

Could be that on the high-end it wins pretty fast but the lower end could remain on DIMMS for a long time.

My guess would be DDR7 would probably no longer use DIMMS on the desktop, with DDR6 being where it transitions.
If that's the case late 2020's early 2030's seams reasonable.

[ashen spindle]

server will keep it yes, I dont see DDR6 coming to desktop

theres a big chance after ddr5 we get lpddr6 on lpcamm modules

[thick elk]

I can see it happen in the sense that DDR6 DIMMS may be cheaper, and it could very well be that desktop architectures still support it.
As a budget option?

[fair gull]

i actually hope its all camm modules for ddr6

[ashen spindle]

it would be cheaper if laptops and desktop share the same so lpddr6 would lower costs for them since they also dont need to make a ddr6 memory controller for desktop then

[cursive summit]

I am still of the cope that HBM is the future

[ashen spindle]

its just entirely worse for desktop in any aspect

[cursive summit]

Vega was fairly good with HBM, pricing wasn't that bad either

[ashen spindle]

its not a cpu

[cursive summit]

And there's theoretical benefits there for productivity or something

[ashen spindle]

latency matters much more on cpu side than bandwidth

[cursive summit]

I suppose just due to the way HBM is constructed latency is pretty bad

Though the speed is pretty great

HBM I still see having its place on GPUs

[thick elk]

Apart from latency, HBM is not something you just slot in some module next to the cpu.

[cursive summit]

If they figure out the latency, HBM on an APU would be incredible

Strix Halo 40CUs, 16GB of HBM4 on a chip

I'd love that as a SoC

[thick elk]

You require tsv's or an interposer, is never going to be a cheap solution, when you go down that route you start competing with other things.

[cursive summit]

Wdym by license out, it's a JEDEC thing which is like, a massive initiative where AMD and such are part of

Idk the specifics but idk why they'd need to pay JEDEC for it and not just Micron or Samsung for making it

Or SK Hynix for that matter

Yes

[ashen spindle]

they arent going to figure the latency out more than ddr ram, its literally made as a tradeoff to have more bandwidth instead

[cursive summit]

I think Intel recently (year or two ago) did a combined solution of CPU + GPU + VRAM on a chip

It doesn't have to be physically on top of the CPU as just on the die

[ashen spindle]

what license are you talking about, hbm is literally deceloped by amd and then accepted by jedec

[cursive summit]

AMD made HBM? That's cool

Do they still make it? Or was it an invention from GloFo days

[ashen spindle]

they never made it it was made with sk hynix

[cursive summit]

Which is why when you said licencing I was very confused lol

It's a JEDEC standard which is why I was confused

Other than DDR and HBM I can't remember another memory standards

Maybe NAND? Cause Samsung privately designs them?

Anyways if you give me a solution of 8 CPU cores, 40CUs of capable graphics and 16-32GBs of HBM3/4 I'd be extremely happy with that kind of small size package

Intel recently did something like that I remember but I think those were canned

[ashen spindle]

xeon cpu mac with hbm yes

[cursive summit]

HBM3e is just as good at speed anyways

Great for crunching numbers, Vegas were insane at mining, and that was 2

[thick elk]

I do wonder if we will see hbm again on consumer gpu's.
Scale of production has gone up with the AI boom, would not be out of the realm of possibilities for them to return to the consumer space.

[cursive summit]

Well technically you can buy a rack of Nvidia H100s and that's an HBM3 solution innit?

It's consumer available, not consumer priced

HBM seems reserved for AI solutions as long as that "bubble" as Quin calls it persists

DDR seems satisfactory? Nvidia and AMD should just bump up those bus width numbers

Cheap HBM in the shape of H100s?

Idk how that's too cheap

Well I'm still interested in seeing this AI bubble crash

I for one kinda doubt it's a bubble

But meh we'll see

I see that as a narrow minded approach, it's creeping into everywhere by day

[ashen spindle]

its supply constrained market and HPC used hbm on h100/200 mi300 anyway so even a crash wouldnt make hbm available in cheaper

and it wouldnt cause a change to gpu roadmaps either

[cursive summit]

60% of videogame companies or something like that are already heavily affected by AI

[cursive summit]

And that's what I was thinking, an AI crash wouldn't make HBM cheap

[ashen spindle]

even cheaper hbm wouldnt make it to consumer cards

[cursive summit]

But I am still interested in seeing where AI leads, I am hoping for a revolution rather than a bubble

Anyways, thanks for the talk, have a good one

[queen quail]

What is the difference between the Lekker L60 and Lekker L60 V2

[analog sinew]

reduced stemwobble

[queen quail]

just that

[wheat plume]

https://youtube.com/shorts/VNZewnrkDng

[sudden imp]

That’s actually really cool

[wheat plume]

ngl yeah it is

[sudden imp]

Instead of the toxic sticky stuff that should be way more environmentally conscious

[marsh mirage]

Hello i need tech help to connect my 3080 to my psu can anyone with experience help?

[ashen spindle]

wym you need help, does the cable not fit?

[marsh mirage]

I dont have any pcie cables I want to know which ones to buy could you help em with that?

[ashen spindle]

did your psu not come with any

[marsh mirage]

I have them in another country 😭 I just have the PSU

I want to buy the PCIE today so I receive it on Monday

[ashen spindle]

just make sure you buy them from the brand that your psu is from since the pinouts are different on different psu manufacturers

[marsh mirage]

Can i dm youv

[ashen spindle]

no

[marsh mirage]

Gigabyte P850M

[ashen spindle]

you can just post links or w/e here

[hollow carbon]

did the GPU come with an adapter ?

[marsh mirage]

No

Its not first hand

[ashen spindle]

no its not a 12vhprw connector he just needs the cables

[marsh mirage]

I can just use seperate 8pin pcie cables right?

3 of them

[ashen spindle]

yeah you just need normal cables, they just need to be compatible with the psu

so easiest if you search if someone on ebay or so perhaps sells cables from the same psu

or if gigabyte sells them directly

[marsh mirage]

Ok i appreciate it alot

[iron wave]

Are there any actually decent webcams yet or is it still a "plug a real camera into a HDMI capture device" situation?

https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/webcams/mx-brio-4k-webcam.960-001545.html

This thing?

Oh there are others.

Why is the stick over $100?

https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/webcams/reach-overhead-content-camera.html

I'll definitely have to do some research though.

I want one for silly things.

No.

That's gross.

I want to do stupid computer vision stuff with playing cards.

[final flame]

ew gross nerd shit

[iron wave]

Yes, still less gross than vtubers.

[wheat plume]

this charger is wacky looking...

[leaden kiln]

no one has to try

[queen quail]

You can also buy the screw in stabilizer on the 80he individually?

[iron wave]

Oh that's a really smart idea.

[leaden kiln]

I have a similar charger

[iron wave]

That doesn't have the really smart thing though.

The other one has them so close so you can only use a single port at a time.

[leaden kiln]

yeah

gotta get those extra super slim cables

[final flame]

I think you're missing the point
the reason why they're so close together is to prevent both from being used at the same time so they user always gets the 66w rating

[queen quail]

but which ones

[leaden kiln]

the point wasn't missed, but it's a bad limitation in my opinion

[iron wave]

#🔌│tech message

[analog sinew]

if the power cant keep up it is necessary

printing 50 WATT MAX on it wont stop dumbos from plugging in two airfryers

[leaden kiln]

a single airfryer is more than 66 watts

[frozen ingot]

think mine is like 1200-1400w even at full power

[analog sinew]

the wooting airfryer with variable frytuation draws between 69 and 4200 watts

[smoky frigate]

I have this digital amplifier that has a variety of issues that always get fixed after turning the volume up and down, or slapping it hard

it's all the charm of analog technology, just digital

[atomic portal]

I ordered my Wooting and it can today and when I plugged it in wasd didn’t work then I unplugged it and replugged it in and wasd opened 100s of programs making my pc crash when I restarted the whole keyboard doesn’t work at all. What should I do

[marsh pewter]

wait I missed this one

I thought wooting only made a toaster?

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258

[analog sinew]

i'm memeing it into existence

[marsh pewter]

wooting air fryer 2025?

🙏

[analog sinew]

🙏

🍟

[marsh pewter]

hall effect knobs 🙏

[pale sigil]

Still working on the nude calendar.

[marsh pewter]

WHAT

[wheat plume]

There will certainly be knobs on the nude calendar!

[marsh pewter]

THE WHAT

[wheat plume]

Wootlendar

[marsh pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/bleh-cat-silly-cat-cat-sticking-tongue-out-gif-12332973546502369976

[marsh pewter]

we need the wootfryer before the wootalender

[whole axle]

Can someone help me price my mice to sell?

[rough osprey]

ill take them for 5€

[whole axle]

op18k with pro air skates, og sora with og skates, and sword x with pro airs

gotchu

[rough osprey]

are there no other offers near you?

[whole axle]

im just tryna see what i should price them at

someone said 50, 40, and 120

[rough osprey]

what currency

[whole axle]

usd

[leaden kiln]

damnit, 40 yen and ill take it

[rough osprey]

seems okay

[whole axle]

Kk

[whole axle]

If only

[hasty thunder]

first we need Switchy Plushie

[marsh pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/true-get-this-man-a-true-get-this-girl-a-true-get-this-man-a-girl-gif-4019273387327590513

[marsh glade]

Okay

[analog sinew]

[dull hollow]

why did bro do it twice 💀

[ashen spindle]

stop spamming the same thing everywhere, its saturday midnight, someone will look at it when they have time

[wide drift]

I understand. My order has been on hold for 2 days. I'm just getting impatient. forgiveness for behavior

[bright briar]

email support is the fastest way

just be patient sometimes it takes a week or longer for a reply

[ashen spindle]

yeah keep in mind people dont work on weekends usually

[wide drift]

@bright briar @ashen spindle
ok sorry, do you think I will have it before October 31st?

[ashen spindle]

I have no clue, depends what the issue is, how fast the shipping goes etc.

[wide drift]

@ashen spindle I hadn't put the house number so they put my order on hold. but I fixed the problem and sent an email. and I live in Belgium.

[ashen spindle]

yeah I dont know how fast things move once they are resolved so no idea

[wide drift]

@ashen spindle OK thanks

[sudden imp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An66Bk397bc

It's a steelcase how the hell did it break?

[wheat plume]

oh I saw that earlier, and most of the comments are saying that their chairs are still just fine after having them longer than Jay....

[distant tapir]

I haven't watched the vid but I assume he had very bad luck.

[hasty thunder]

common use over time

[sudden imp]

Honestly the complaints about the head rest just make me think headrest are even more useless

[hasty thunder]

but given that they have a bunch of those and they all had the same issues shows it's a more common issue, especially with the price tag of 1600 USD

i mean you'd definitely expect better than this for that price

[distant tapir]

I love head rests for when I lean back.

[fair gull]

from all i can see its mostly a lot of plastic where you should ideally use metal

[wheat plume]

even the screws are plastic in those headrests, the ones that attach it to the chair body 🤦‍♀️

[ashen spindle]

has anyone experience with 1.5V rechargable batteries instead of the usual 1.2v? do they last longer in practice or any benefit? mostly for quest controllers and similar

[frozen ingot]

dang ltt basically built my pc

same mobo, cpu, cooler and memory, though I got 2x16gb

[north tide]

Less than 2x16 of DDR5 is basically always a mistake

8GB sticks are 16gbit chips with half of the bank groups effectively disabled

so major performance penalty

[wheat plume]

TIL Windows stores the user account passwords as unsalted MD4 hashes

[iron wave]

Who else is jazzed for this?

https://youtu.be/3fXHrK3yV9w?t=2049

How so?

It's going to be really good for a lot of stuff, imagine the clean and fast networking code you could do with such a powerful serialization system.

It's a really great language, especially features in the last few years.

If you can't go past 9 I really feel your pain.

I started on 6 IIRC.

I can't find a programming job so I can't speak about that stuff.

Oh that's not too bad then. Porting old hacks can be really hard.

Better than 5+ days...

[cosmic thunder]

for me java was my first oop language, and it wasn't that bad actually

[marble nimbus]

Putting together my first wooting, it came with the silicone dampener between the pcb parts, is it just for cushioning during shipping and you can swap it out for the foam?

[marble nimbus]

Thank

[latent mural]

I was wondering to buy the keyboard but somebody told me not to cause the keyboard might mess up with my computers Language or something? Cause its an american layout (I use nordic and live in denmark) Anyone who has answer to this?

^ (I know i can use the settings layout in the computer i told them but i dont get what they meant so im curious if it would be a problem or not

Okay thank you!

[halcyon moss]

The keys on the keyboard are determined by windows.

The keyboard send key number 64 is pressed. Windows than has a mapping from that key to an actual input.

That mapping can be configured in windows for every language.

The keycaps might not match though.

[halcyon moss]

You might need an ISO instead of ansi layout though

[smoky frigate]

switching from gnome to KDE after encountering a persistent multi-monitor bug

I'm not finding too many bugs with KDE this time around, it's really pleasant

[thick elk]

Which one? I have encountered, oh encountered in gnome, having a couple in kde I am too lazy to report / hard to pin down.

One where one of my screens stays black until it disconnects / reconnects itself Regression in 6.2, the other at work where. displays connected to the igp have a corrupted mouse cursor on non qt6 applications when switching between cursor types. That one I worked around by making the igp primary (gpu was just display out mostly)

Oh and plasma crashes still a thing.

[smoky frigate]

after an hour or two using multiple monitors in gnome, the right monitor freezes, and the keyboard becomes unresponsive. so I'm staring at a desktop I can't interact with, and nothing but cold rebooting works. running fsck and losing whatever I was doing at the time I have zero tolerance for. I like gnome, but I will ditch something faster than a hot potato when it takes my game progress with it 😛
not a single issue using a single monitor btw

[thick elk]

Hmm that seems like something that has to be config or system specific.

At least plasma safely restarts itself if the shell crashes

[smoky frigate]

it does not happen under KDE, so I don't know

[thick elk]

Could try on gnome with a new user / clean user directory?

Had some wild iszues on plasma with huge memory usage like that in the past.

[smoky frigate]

but it should be mentioned that the left monitor is a 360hz flat panel and the right a 20 year old CRT, so there is a huge delta

[smoky frigate]

I will try this later

[smoky frigate]

bug happens on a new directory too, but keyboard somehow stays responsive if I leave the CRT as primary screen, lol. journalctl indicates an nvidia bug. trying with the open kernel modules

[thick elk]

Oh nvidia

[smoky frigate]

this is not nvidia's fault, they have been recommending the open kernel modules for a few versions now. I stayed on the closed ones, because frametimes were better

[thick elk]

Guess just bad memories and stuck on x11 on my old gtx 1080

[smoky frigate]

they were problematic for a long time tbf but the driver have gotten pretty good lately

I remember nvidia linux on a 680, that was intensely shit

[thick elk]

For now glad I went with AMD but if they continue improving I would not rule nvidia out completely, after some research.

[smoky frigate]

I'm hard pressed to find problems tbh. the issues I have usually come from me thinking I know better, lol

[hasty thunder]

i highly doubt NoVideo will release any reliable driver on Linux in the next few years

[smoky frigate]

I dunno mään, been running pretty good on wayland since version 555

they make a lot of progress really quickly after dragging their feet for several years

but tbf, so did wayland devs

what issues with current linux drivers are you thinking of?

honestly if I plug my still-supported vega 56 into the computer I have more issues, cause the linux driver can't do 360hz since kernel version 5.9

it could do it before, it can do it on windows, but not since then!

[thick elk]

Do you still have issues running mesa at the same time as nvidia? as in monitors on gpu + other ones on igp. Does overclocking / fan controll finally work without a silly xorg dependency?

Some things besides. broken wayland I encountered in the past.

[smoky frigate]

I don't have an igpu so I cannot test it, I also don't run mesa alongside, only when I tried zink. it was spotty when I tried it a year ago, but maybe it works okay now.
you can overclock on wayland using this tool: https://github.com/Dreaming-Codes/nvidia_oc/ you can also put it into a systemd service

I haven't found something that does fan curves yet, but you can set them fixed in nvidia-settings

[thick elk]

Which as far as I understand is still tied to xorg.

[smoky frigate]

I tested it, it works under wayland

but you have to use the terminal program

[thick elk]

Okay, they have definitely improved over the last year and a half.

[patent spear]

Replacing switches on my 80he, do all these screws need to be taken out or just certain ones?

[thick elk]

Still, no need to upgrade at the moment will read the consensus when the time comes, if it is even a sensible option at that time.

[smoky frigate]

right channel on my amplifier cuts out -> slap it hard, channel turns back on
man I love how this digital amp has all the jankness of analog

[smoky frigate]

just use whatever works best for you!

I find the mentality of "nooo you must use X because <ideological reason>" kind of deranged, but it did give us the open-source movement so maybe I'm just an idiot

[topaz fog]

We offer a nordic keyboard layout option, did you know?

[thick elk]

Will say, I will choose whatever gives me the best experience, with a preference towards the underdog, more open option with less lock-in (still have an old gsync monitor given to my dad) and most user control.

But I chose my gtx1080 at the time not using linux, because amd was simply the worse option at that time. Will do so again if it happens.

[smoky frigate]

same. if windows served me better, I'd ditch linux in a heartbeat. loyalty to a tool, meant to do a job, is insane to me

[thick elk]

That being said part of the job is the joy of tinkering / making it my own for linux, but have had a dual boot for certaingames / vr for some time till I nuked it and didn't bother to reinstall.

[patent spear]

Not budging though

Yeah got it, thank you

[fair gull]

bottom side edge if the text is readable

or is that space stab

hm its the spacebar stab

should come off with the screw you got removed

[latent mural]

What difference would an ISO and ANSI make by the way? im curious

[latent mural]

Oh i guess its just the place im buying from (Danish website) that only offers in US layout

[topaz fog]

A reseller?

ISO layouts are more common in Europe and ANSI in the US. The easiest tell is that ANSI has a more horizontal enter key and ISO more vertical with a lil protrusion

But since ISO is more common in EU it has more variants for different languages:)

[silk obsidian]

is it really worth it buying aluminium case for wooting or it's not really important?

[alpine patio]

very important

[silk obsidian]

and what's that

why*

[alpine patio]

there is a low chance that the wooting might explode with a plastic case

[silk obsidian]

excuse me?

[topaz fog]

_>

[alpine patio]

[topaz fog]

Buy what you want

[alpine patio]

joke

its just a case

[silk obsidian]

lmao .

[alpine patio]

usually for aesthetics or poppier sound

[silk obsidian]

i care about the sound and weight

i want it to be atleast as heavy as annę pro 2 is

[alpine patio]

is that 1 kg?

[silk obsidian]

is what 1kg

annę pro 2?

[alpine patio]

ya

[silk obsidian]

no idea 😿 lemme chrck rq

it's less than 1kg ig

[alpine patio]

the plastic wooting is like 1.33 pounds

[silk obsidian]

but ig it's worth it anyways right

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.techpowerup.com/328160/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-has-the-ccd-on-top-of-the-3d-v-cache-die-not-under-it

[analog sinew]

🤤

[ashen spindle]

AMD really should consider renaming at this point

Advanced Packaging Devices is more accurate lmao

[analog sinew]

bubble wrap cpu

[analog sinew]

OAC (oops all cache!)

[vagrant pagoda]

I'm waiting for them to combine all their powers

Zen5+zen5c like strix point, but chiplet with x3d

If the zen5x3d clocks are to believed

A 8+16 zen5x3d+zenc would absolutely dominate desktop

Zen5x3d 8c will be the fastest for gaming, and zen5c sips power for background tasks

If amd/Ms can get scheduling right

[ashen spindle]

ehh

mobile maybe but on desktop? just keep it regular zen cores so scheduling cant make mistakes

[halcyon moss]

Why do we want c cores on desktop?

[ashen spindle]

mediatek on their flagship soc even stopped using the small A500 cores because they also noticed bigger cores to work if you can pay the extra area cost

[vagrant pagoda]

You rarely need all your threads at full speed

Zen5c is more efficient

[ashen spindle]

on desktop you dont need max core density since you arent going to run a coudhost on it anyway and efficency for tiny tasks is margin of error anyway

[vagrant pagoda]

So less power for background tasks

[ashen spindle]

so you have tiny power savings on your 200W cpu at the cost of worse performance if the scheduling isnt perfect and such?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ51aAM58b4 re: dimensity 9300 dropping small cores even on a phone

[smoky frigate]

@thick elk spoke too soon, the bug came back after several hours 😂 that means it's either X11 now or plasma

[empty wren]

1 day left to go

[analog sinew]

sff is cool but

[empty wren]

But what

[analog sinew]

ass to build in and i have the space

and beeg components

[balmy vector]

Super duper big case

For my 500 fans

[analog sinew]

yes

[leaden kiln]

my sff case was easy to build in but I put all my stuff on the frame then built the care around my parts

[balmy vector]

I definitely would want to build an sff

[leaden kiln]

it felt pretty similar to building a computer

[analog sinew]

sure but i dont think i would ever carry my pc around

soo i'd have to build a secondary pc

[lyric hatch]

can take a small enough sff on my carry on

[empty wren]

You know you can build in a small case and call it day. That one fits some very powerful hardware

[analog sinew]

well i'd still have to check all the measurements and such

naah

i appreciate the wood accents tho, good case design trend

[empty wren]

Fair enough that is one part they did not mention

[vagrant pagoda]

yes the total cpu is 200w, you dont want to spend more power/thermal budget on background tasks

[ashen spindle]

if you actually draw that much power you get a lot of work one so you dont want low power cores

[vagrant pagoda]

you can max thermal/power with a few cores

its the biggest limit on x3d, hence why they are flipping the package

the all core power draw of a 7950x3d is a lot lower than a 7800x3d+7700x

[whole axle]

is the rode podmic the best budget mic?

[gusty nexus]

I would say the best budget mic is the Fifine am8 (for "very" low budget)

[whole axle]

i have it

want to upgradew

[gusty nexus]

It's useless to upgrade if you're just doing gaming/streaming/voice chat, for recording your voice/instruments to make music it's usefull to upgrade

[whole axle]

i mean i play piano on my pc and plan to stream again

not -sure if that means anythign

HMM OK

whoops

what about the mv7

[gusty nexus]

It is from what I see on the picture ?

[whole axle]

yeah that is the am8

the one on the left

cuz thats what i have

so even the sm7b would be a waste

in terms of sound quality

[gusty nexus]

Sm7b is overpriced and hard to drive

[analog sinew]

@balmy vector

[whole axle]

sm7db

easy buy lmaooo

[gusty nexus]

I have a Rode NT1, idk if it will be better than an am8 but it's really good

[whole axle]

is xlr even better than usb?

oh wait i was lookin at the beacn mic that looks good

[balmy vector]

accurate

[whole axle]

cuz it has built in stuff in the mic

ah ok

makes sense

[analog sinew]

thermal paste is so good at smearing everywhere you could think thats what it was made for

[smoky frigate]

I fucking hate working with silicone or any other smeary materials

[agile mortar]

untrue

i love mine best mic ive ever had

[final flame]

it's overpriced, stop defending a million dollar faceless corporation

the sm7b has been the same price it has always been, it's never dropped price
nor has it recieved any updates

there's plenty of mics that are capable of outperforming or performing just as well for the same or less money

not to mention, the people generally buying this kind of mic aren't using this for professional music production
they're using it for streaming or discord calls

and I doubt the majority of people buying it either know how to get the full potential out of the mics sound by setting it up properly

honestly that fifine at the beginning really impressed me

not the most resolving, but it is very smooth

[hasty thunder]

she's kinda right tho, the Shure SM7B isn't that impressive anymore and basically never had a price drop as seen here. But then again, it's a 16 years old mic

[final flame]

it has a very smooth lower and upper treble presentation which means it doesn't have much detail pickup
it won't be very crispy, but it is smooth

[hasty thunder]

so yeah, in 16 years you'd expect the competition to catch up

[final flame]

the main reason why people, specifically studio's buy the sm7b is because of it's very warm presentation
which makes it great for a specific sound in vocal heavy music

[analog sinew]

in terms of coldplate flatness, we have no coldplate flatness.

[final flame]

time to pull out the sandpaper

[analog sinew]

nah, filled em up with paste

its an ancient gpu

[hasty thunder]

sanding that cooler down might be a bad idea

[verbal nimbus]

What would you say a good mic for around 80 @final flame

[final flame]

depends on what you're using it for

[hasty thunder]

given that there's no youtube, twitch, TikTrash info or anything i guess he's looking for a mic he can use for Discord and stuff

[tight scaffold]

Hello so its a game / tech question so i decided to put it here . I’m playing Elden ring on monitor 3440x1440 and have black bars but 2560x1440 doesn’t have black bars what should I run ??? And is it a difference and second. Question can a 4070 run max setting max rt???

[ashen spindle]

get the flawless widescreen app, that removes the black bars and fps limit

and no

well, it can run it but not at any good framerate

[tight scaffold]

Ye I saw some comparison and rt doesn’t make any difference only makes some darker places more dark so ima run ultra no rt

And with the app I can’t play online I like online cause of the messages

[hasty thunder]

tbf, you're going with a resolution that keeps the height at the same pixel amount while the horizontal amount of pixels increases. Ofc it introduces black bars

[ashen spindle]

no elden ring puts two black boxes on the side to keep the resolution 16:9

yeah if you want to keep online play you can use it so you have to decide what you prefer

[tight scaffold]

Yes 3440 has black back but 2560 doesn’t but stretched to non shooter games hurts

[hasty thunder]

well, 2560x1440 is a perfect 16:9 ratio

[ashen spindle]

yes but 3440x1440p has black bars so you only have 2560 for what you see

[tight scaffold]

40 hours in I think ima stick to it I deafeated the hardest boss that I got in my experience so I don’t notice the bars but I will try the 2560

[hasty thunder]

RT never makes sense in any game. Sure, some places look nice with it, but mostly it looks like the whole thing got covered with a wet, shiny surface just to shove RT in your face

cyberpunks benchmark as best example here. The bar scene simply looks to unrealistic

[ashen spindle]

cp isnt a great example for it just because gets usedt a lot, alan wake 2 imo is the way better example because its a super dark game and makes the difference much bigger

[hasty thunder]

You didn't get the point of my message it seems

[ashen spindle]

well you said it never makes sense in a game and just makes everything wet and while thats often the case I dont think its always true

[hasty thunder]

i said mostly

why it never made sense is a whole different topic, because some games achieved true Raytracing on the software side without the need for a dedicated hardware

in fact UE5 has a feature that's very similar to it

[ashen spindle]

thats just not true lol

lumen is good can fake stuff well but it's not true raytracing and very much limited compared to hardware based solutions

[unkempt lake]

Alan Wake 2 is a gem

[lusty hearth]

So weird thing I put in a 2nd GPU into my PC. Now my headphones are making a loud popping noise. I removed the GPU and the popping stopped, but now im trying to figure out how and why this is happening.

[ashen spindle]

sounds like interference

only use the second gpu and see if it happens there

[lusty hearth]

Do you think the interference is caused by too much power draw?

But i am only using 1 gpu and it's running fine, but the 2nd gpu i have used it alone before with the same headphones and it never did it.

[ashen spindle]

idk could be a lot of things

could be the second pcie slot powerdraw regardless of how muhc is used

[lusty hearth]

Well, Thanks anyways. It helped narrow down what i thought.

[north tide]

Integrated audio hardware is often around the pci-e slots, and EMI from graphics cards can cause sound quality issues

[lusty hearth]

Ah.

[north tide]

the realistic fix to that is to use an external DAC, so your PC is outputting 1's and 0's that can't be interfered with and then you only convert it to the more sensitive analog form when it's away from the interference

[lusty hearth]

DO you have any recommendations of brand for DAC's?

[north tide]

i can't really say

i have only ever used one 😄

[lusty hearth]

Well, Thank you . I'll look around

[north tide]

it could also be something else like dpc latency being too high because of the graphics card driver (that can cause audio buffering problems) but hard to say

[halcyon moss]

Usb c apple dongle is apparrantly good?

And very affordable

[lusty hearth]

The 69 buck one?

Sorry just trying to find the most affordable fix, along with trying to not spend any money.

[final flame]

the 10 buckaroo one

a alternative would be the Fiio Ja11

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807283554836.html
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MW2Q3AM/A/usb-c-to-35-mm-headphone-jack-adapter

[lusty hearth]

Ah.

Well, Turns out it's the MBD, it can't support Multi GPU well enough and the DPC latency is too high because of it, so found the problem...the motherboard lol

[jaunty marsh]

any headset reccomendations

around 160 usd

[old marlin]

cloud 3 are good 👍

[jaunty marsh]

i have a pair of cloud 2's looking for something newer

or other than a hyperx headset

[rough patrol]

If you can, get mic + headphones instead

[jaunty marsh]

no ive had them for 4 years

they broke

[old marlin]

cloud 3s are quite similar sound wise, they angled the drivers a bit, but there really is not much wrong with either one

ah, fair

[jaunty marsh]

or they arent fully broke

sound just cuts out often

i want something better sound wise

i dont i just never had a reason to upgrade

[old marlin]

way to do that is to go standalone headphones and mic

[jaunty marsh]

i already have a standalone

the mic in the headset broke after a week

[rough patrol]

I bought headphone + mic and now i cant go back to my old headset 😭

[old marlin]

ah

HD560S

[jaunty marsh]

will do thanks

[old marlin]

they are open though

[jaunty marsh]

what do you mean

[old marlin]

they let sound leak in and out

[rough patrol]

Open back

[old marlin]

helps with soundstage

[rough patrol]

Its great

[patent belfry]

Hello, my Wooting HE no longer lights up, what should I do?

[rough patrol]

You can hear the doorbell while wearing your headphones so you dont miss your food delivery

[jaunty marsh]

well i live alone

so i dont mind

[old marlin]

👍

[jaunty marsh]

well how bad is it

[rough patrol]

Not that bad usually

Just dont use them on the bus

[old marlin]

I got HD6XX, which are quite similar, it is rather similar to just not wearing headphones

but I prefer it that way anyways

[jaunty marsh]

i just use airpods for that

so thanks 😄

[old marlin]

otherwise you could see if you can get Shure SRH440

[rough patrol]

Open backs are the way to go, i am fully converted to them by now

[old marlin]

in my experience sennheisers are tanks in comparison

[rough patrol]

I got my beyerdynamics and i would never go back to closed

[old marlin]

eh, there are very good closed backs as well, but I just prefer open back

[jaunty marsh]

how much noise is it

[rough patrol]

However much noise there is in your environment basically

[jaunty marsh]

as i dont want people to hear my 3 am conversations

[rough patrol]

Just think of it like this

[old marlin]

you mean how much bleeds out

[rough patrol]

Take off your headphones and put them on the table

[old marlin]

uhh, depends on how loud you listen to it

[rough patrol]

Then play a video or something at your normal volume

[old marlin]

if said people are in the same room as you that could be possible

otherwise not really

[rough patrol]

Itll be similar to that

[old marlin]

yea somewhat

[jaunty marsh]

okay thanks 😄

as i need a room mate to keep living where i am

[old marlin]

ah

yea then you prob would rather have closed backs to not have them annoy you or otherwise

[jaunty marsh]

aight just send a pair of closed back ones

ill take a look at it

[rough patrol]

Or you want them open so you can hear knocking on the door or someone trying to talk to you

[old marlin]

Shure SRH440

[rough patrol]

Really depends on your pov

[jaunty marsh]

i dont like people

so no

[old marlin]

AKG K371 are also decent but I have heard of them breaking from quite a number of people by now

[stark prawn]

Hey guys, I have a question. THis is more of a software question but I'm sure there are people here that can help with this.
So I bought a mouse which is set to 500Hz polling rate by default, out of the box, and can be set to 1k in software. The software is a Zip. I downloaded it without extracting anything and threw it in https://www.virustotal.com/gui/home/upload to check for viruses. From what I see it should be a safe download but I'd like a second opinion.
I don't know if I can send Zips here so I'll send a link to the website with the scan analisys:
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/805c2b01fd16b870c9b19119ca0024407027f57a3e3b721224b1c5fa5ccb4eab

I got the Zip for the software off the Mouse's Official website, but it's a Chinese brand btw.

[blazing estuary]

Hey guys whats a cheap mouse that has the same design of the attack shark r3 cuz i just spent all my money on a wooting and i forgot i needed a mouse

[stark prawn]

What's your budget?

[blazing estuary]

Around 100

[stark prawn]

wtf that's not "budget mouse" pricing xD

[blazing estuary]

They go for around 200

[stark prawn]

I was thinking more around the 40-50$ mark.

The AS R3 has a very general shape. Similar to a Logitech G Pro Wireless but magnesium.
For around 40$ (prices may vary depending on region) I recommend the Kysona M600.
It has a GPX like shape, similar to the Attack Shark R3, with a very good PAW3395 sensor and 55 grams* of weight

It also comes with extra glass feet besides the base pure PTFE feet, so you get to try glass skates basically for free

It is obviously wireless and the battery lasts about 2 weeks, depending on use

[stark prawn]

200$ is an insane price for just a digital pointer lmao

[cedar fog]

theres lots of occasions where virus total will flag things even if harmless

safe to say if it's 0 flags it's probably safe

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stark prawn]

oh you checked my link?

Yes, I know it tends to flag sometimes, that's why I wanted a second opinion

Maybe I missed something by accident

[cedar fog]

I doubt it

it's probably not a virus

what mouse brand is it anyway

[stark prawn]

Lingbao:
https://lingbaoes.com/lm2/39.html

That's the product page

[old marlin]

only the sussiest shit

[cedar fog]

lb m1 pro

yeah u can see it in the virus total behaviors page

[stark prawn]

I bought the base model and was sent the Pro instead. They switched the PAW3325 from the LB-M1 to a PAW3311 but upgraded the battery from 300 to fking 800MAh in the Pro

[stark prawn]

yeah, which is why I'm looking for a second opinion

[old marlin]

man why tf do you buy mice with a 3325 in 2024

it better was like 15 dollars

a g49 pro is only 27 USD rn

[stark prawn]

You can't humanly tell the difference without a graph for anything above the 3311

[old marlin]

you still overpay for downspec hardware

[stark prawn]

I was thinking of getting that too in a few weeks/months

[stark prawn]

It was 10$

[old marlin]

even funnier, the 3311 is a downspec 3335, which already is not the highest end thing

[stark prawn]

Someone needed an option to buy in bulk for cheap

Just assist me with my initial question if you have any imput to share

[jaunty marsh]

What brand is it

[cedar fog]

Just some random Chinese brand

[stark prawn]

Lingbao, random chinese

[stark prawn]

They returned the old reply system as “forward”?? 🤣

[cedar fog]

no it's just cooler looking

[jaunty marsh]

What is it flagging

As it is probably an unsigned driver

[stark prawn]

It looks the same way as how we used the “reply” function 4 years ago

[stark prawn]

I’ve attached there a link to the whole analysis

You can see all scans

[jaunty marsh]

Uh try opening it please

If it comes up with a warning

Then don’t proceed

[stark prawn]

ofc ofc

[cedar fog]

Its not flagging

[jaunty marsh]

Then why bother

[cedar fog]

0/68

[jaunty marsh]

Omg why bother

[stark prawn]

These are the mice I’ve tried so far but this is the only one that had some red checks in “Relations”

Mice:

• Microsoft Silent BT
• Logitech MX Master 3S
• Logitech G203 Prodigy (discontinued)
• Logitech G Pro Wireless (x2)
• XUNFOX H8
• VXE R1 Pro Max
• Attack Shark X5
• Attack Shark R1
• Keychron M3 Mini
• Longbao LB-M1 Pro

[jaunty marsh]

When it’s zero out of 68

[jaunty marsh]

Oh 💀

My bad didn’t see that

Download dbg64

[stark prawn]

then i guess that's just what the software uses to track the movement?
I don't know, I never deep dived on Mice software because I rarely use it

[jaunty marsh]

And delete it

[cedar fog]

Yeah but having a singular flag is not a big deal

[jaunty marsh]

It’s a keylogger

[cedar fog]

especially from the lesser known anti viruses

[jaunty marsh]

Are you blind

It’s virus total 😭

[stark prawn]

sorry, what?
This?:
https://x64dbg.com/

[jaunty marsh]

Yeah that

[stark prawn]

haven't used it before

have you?

[jaunty marsh]

yeah i use it to crack stuff

tho i dont condone it just if admins look

try use it on the web driver then you can delete the keylogger

[stark prawn]

aah okok. I'll see what I can do

[jaunty marsh]

stay safe mate

do it in a virtual machine

oh and if you dont understand codee

dont bother

[stark prawn]

LOOOL My VM has linux on it xD

Guess I'll make a new one for Win10

[cedar fog]

virus total constantly has false positives

[jaunty marsh]

rather safe than sorry

[cedar fog]

having a singular av flag isn't a big deal in the first place

[jaunty marsh]

its a keylogger

i use it often and i aint ever seen that

[stark prawn]

I also use virus total and never saw that before xD

[stark prawn]

to delete deeply rooted shit I use RevoUninstaller. I'll try this x64dbg as well

[shadow minnow]

Any thoughts on Epiphone Les Paul standard?

[cedar fog]

reanalyzed the file

doesn't show up as flagged anymore

it was just a false positive

[stark prawn]

you're rehecked?

How could it be fixed in a matter of minutes?

[cedar fog]

last scan for that particular file was 3 months ago

virus total just stores file hashes in a database

anti virus providers usually get updated etc

[stark prawn]

yoo right

it's not LIVE

[jaunty marsh]

Okay well done

I just ain’t ever seen keylogger

[cedar fog]

the more worrying flag is the .lnk

so still

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stark prawn]

reanalyzing gets me this

Actually this:
But going in relations immediatelly finds 2 files

[cedar fog]

yeah the 2 relation flags are .lnk

[stark prawn]

I might be r3tard3d but where do you see the file extension?

[wild coyote]

Relying on scanners usually won't work. Their behaviours on the scans helps a lot

[stark prawn]

Hey that's why I sent it here first

[wild coyote]

Send the link to me

the virus total one

[stark prawn]

alr did

[stark prawn]

^^^

[wild coyote]

That's a zip file

[stark prawn]

That's the link for the first scan

[wild coyote]

That doesn't help

[stark prawn]

Yes, it's a ZIp

[wild coyote]

A zip file scan is useless, as it only archives files and nothing more

but I shall check anyways whatever I can

[stark prawn]

Should I have "extract all" then bundle them in for scans instead?

as that doesn't run anything only pulls them out

[wild coyote]

Nah, just lemme deal with the ones I've been provided

[stark prawn]

ight

[cedar fog]

i mean i just downloaded it to my pc

[stark prawn]

and?

the software inside the zip

[cedar fog]

it seems fine the only flag is a .lnk file which is used to run the uninstaller from the start menu folder

[stark prawn]

When trying to open and use it, still nothing?

[cedar fog]

just runs the uninstaller ;p

just a false positive

[stark prawn]

I remember Windows marking Ubisoft's Ubi Play app when I tried to install Rainbow 6 xD

They warned me "yo this is a suspicious program, watch out"

[stark prawn]

And what about the other files that come up as positive when rescanning?

[cedar fog]

no flags

the one flag for

is just another mouse from the brand

safe to assume they use the same software

hence same flags

and it reanalyzes as zero flags

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stark prawn]

Alr, it did the same for me

I've just reanalyzed them

[cedar fog]

yeah like i said from the get-go

usually can ignore virus total for only a few flags

especially if its not big av providers

it even uninstalls better than some other programs

10/10

[stark prawn]

lol

Nice. Ok, thanks for the help guys

[stark prawn]

you could download it? In my case Windows cut the exe short saying running this may put the PC at risk, with the only option to pick being "don't run" and shut off the programme

[umbral heron]

More info > Run Anyway

[stark prawn]

You ain't wrong sir.

[cedar fog]

I always hit more info run anyway

get that shit all the time

I think defender has like their own list of applications

and they check to see how many people use it etc

[umbral heron]

Heuristic analysis, yup

[stark prawn]

I would only need it for 20 seconds to turn 1k polling rate on

then I'm throwing the programme out

[little silo]

What mouse and software?

[umbral heron]

I like how Wooting and several other companies started trend on web-based configuration software

[balmy vector]

It’s good for everyone

[stark prawn]

random chinese shit.
Lingbao LB-M1Pro

Software:
https://lingbaoes.com/ruodian/19.html

[cedar fog]

it's sad that some of them aren't fully functional

without software running constantly