🔌│tech

[dusky plume]

i didnt mean it like that, just normal budget like $300 or less

thats normal budget for equipment

[late grove]

Then say so.

[ashen spindle]

so up to 50W from the 24 pin goes to the cpu randomly and not just the 12v eps cables

[steady sail]

than say a budget dont say "any budget"

[dusky plume]

any budget shouldnt equal to an $8,000 headset. thats insanity

[late grove]

Hifiman Edition XS (used for 200$ or new for ~250$) + Fiio KA11 + some USB mic.

Ask someone else for a budget mic, I am out of the loop on those.

[steady sail]

i mean we dont know if you are a millionare or something like just write a budget

[distant tapir]

Audeze Maxwell.

[dusky plume]

if i was a millionare, i wouldnt be on discord

[analog sinew]

why not

[smoky frigate]

Monolith M1070 for 200 bucks used, I'm told the drivers are from the same china factory that Audezes are

sound fucking good

[dusky plume]

ill look into these suggestions, ty

[late grove]

👍

Good luck hunting.

[ashen spindle]

one upside at least

[late grove]

This thing should've stayed in laptops.

[distant tapir]

Maxwell is $300, has excellent Harman 2018 compliant sound that you are likely to enjoy (+ has an app that lets you EQ a bit), is low-latency wireless and has a microphone.

[late grove]

Do you have Maxwell?

[distant tapir]

No but I have tried them. Plan on getting them myself.

[late grove]

Hmm sure.
Tho i'd say you are still mostly paying for wireless stuff.

Definitely better 300$ headphones out there.

[smoky frigate]

how is that compared to a 14600k, which it would be closest to

[distant tapir]

I wouldn't say that at all. It has excellent tonality. Better than any "audiophile" meme headphone I have owned.

[late grove]

Let me guess, Beyerdynamic?

[distant tapir]

Including.

[late grove]

It's ok, I took the bait as well.

[ashen spindle]

this is 265k vs 14700k so you can compare the two

[distant tapir]

It's not the worst bait to take. Worse baits I took were Audeze LCD-2classic & XC, Hifiman Arya & Arya Organic, Sony MDR-Z1R.

[late grove]

You hated Arya that much?

[distant tapir]

Maxwell clears all of those easily in tonality to me.

[ashen spindle]

oof those spikes in R6

[smoky frigate]

what the fuck intel...

[fickle ore]

There was talk of scheduler issues. But this seems promising

[distant tapir]

Without EQ yes. With EQ I still found it badly resonant in the higher frequencies that I didn't manage to properly fix with EQ.

[primal musk]

Yo play siege w

That’s all I play

[late grove]

Strange.

[ashen spindle]

my guy this is the only outlier where arl is up lmao

[late grove]

I am not the biggest Arya fan but I definitely prefer it over Maxwell.

[distant tapir]

Arya has "no bass" at least the non-Organic one and I found it bright.

[late grove]

What did you run it off if you remember?

[fickle ore]

Yeah I know. I saw the benches

[distant tapir]

Organic was def an improvement over the regular to me.

[steep creek]

ok well i will save my cope for nova lake

[distant tapir]

Singxer SA-1 and then RME ADI-2.

[ashen spindle]

I am well aware

[analog sinew]

i wish someone looked at me like that and called me promising

[late grove]

Haven't heard it myself but looks solid. Oh well.

[fickle ore]

Thats pretty mean. Just because I have invested in intel at y price doesn't mean I care about them hardware wise. Or have any brand loyalty. Yes it would be nice if they did well but it doesn't really move me much. I also have a lot of AMD. Keep enjoying your bullying ig.

[late grove]

Good.

[ashen spindle]

comments like these is why you should not be part of any community

[late grove]

He was being a dick, he gets what he deserves. Your biases don't matter.

[distant tapir]

They are completely neutral and powerful. No sound signature or distortion parted.

But I don't care for external amps and dacs anymore which is why I'm getting Maxwell.

I want less clutter on my desk.

Only thing I will miss is the nice volume wheel of the RME.

[fickle ore]

I didnt get anything? INTC stock is up for the day..

Aryzon is infact a mean person

Well im not enjoying

[late grove]

The more you hate me the happier I am.

[fickle ore]

Stop tryna make me some Intel cpu lover I have 5800X ffs

[ashen spindle]

just ignore/block ary, I know what your stances are and know the difference between being up on INTC and up on intel

[smoky frigate]

there are no intel fans left by this point to bully

[distant tapir]

Userbenchmark?

[steady sail]

after arrow leak no

[fickle ore]

Just bully me bc I am still hopeful and believe they will pull off their fab stuff (IFS)

[smoky frigate]

OH SHIT I need to read their review for this

wait scratch that, I wanna read the x3d review in november and how they compare it with arrow in the knee-lake

[steady sail]

i mean sure they gonna do it one day but its gonna be hard to get back the users

[distant tapir]

I wish we got a third company making CPUs.

[steady sail]

yeah, but if intel gonna do the same shit like now even if they have a top tier CPU no one gonna bother

[ashen spindle]

going to the one thats best in the moment is how it should be

[steady sail]

or UserBenchmarks gonna buy all the stocks

tho i dont wanna wait till intel gets their shit together

they have to do it NOW

[smoky frigate]

12th gen was a good start and then they dropped the baby on its head

[marsh pewter]

the fall off was crazy

I really dont know how they dropped the ball that hard at possibly the worst time

[steady sail]

i mean 10th gen was okay, 11th gen was again the fuck, 12th gen was again good and then we got 13 and 14th gen

[smoky frigate]

now we got a laptop CPU

great job

[steady sail]

and maybe its me, but do we really need that many cores on a consumer type CPU ?

[marsh pewter]

if intel continues like this I dont really see how they could possibly pass AMD

[unkempt lake]

A lot of general consumers see amd as the sub par brand still

[fickle ore]

their future revenues can be 95% from Fabbing and 5% from cpu desings

[unkempt lake]

Which well is odd

But then against most don't look things up

[marsh glade]

I've reviewed our mod logs and can confirm that we have issued you multiple warnings for unnecessary abrasiveness and hostility.

I'm not a fan of warnings without consequences, and I don't expect that you'll appreciate my sincerity when I inform you that this behavior is unacceptable.

Therefore, I'll invite you to take a week to thoroughly consider how you wish to continue engaging with our community.

[steady sail]

yeah and they are suprised when their next CPU is having worse performance overall

[marsh pewter]

intel propaganda over the years pretty much. also we're talking about the same consumers that buy every new intel and nvidia gen every gen.

[ashen spindle]

well we did know it would be kinda sad since the igor leaks last year

so the hope is they can at least use it as a foundation and build upon having a tiled desktop platform now

[fair gull]

tbf it was AMD that brought me to buy an intel cpu back in the day

but it also was intel that now brought me back to AMD

so

[steady sail]

i mean AMD with the FX series sure

[fair gull]

exactly what made me switch

my trust was just lost

[steady sail]

and than Ryzen happened

[fair gull]

well doesnt mean ill switch back immediately

i wanted to see if it stays good

it did

[steady sail]

yeah

[marsh pewter]

from my knowledge AMD hasnt been the best until more recently, which is also probably why people still stick to intel since they see it as more trust worthy.

[steady sail]

i was on a 3rd gen Intel CPU and than i switched to a 2600x

[fair gull]

amd has lost me fully on GPUs though

i aint going back to that hell hole

[unkempt lake]

Some guy in a server im in AFTER seeing the benchmarks

[astral haven]

*radeon
im down for an apu tho

[smoky frigate]

I wrote my own userbenchmark review: "Arrow Lake, while having no performance to speak of, skillfully lowers the power draw and brings the power and efficiency of budget laptops to the desktop, whereas the 9800X3D neither innovates nor cares"

[marsh glade]

I mean to be fair, they have a point

[fair gull]

its amd radeon so amd

[ashen spindle]

ITS DOWN UP TO 50% VS AMD HOW MUCH COPIUM IS THIS GUY DOWN

[fair gull]

damn

[unkempt lake]

Dude's running a watercooled setup and is saying he wants to "upgrade". Why would he care about the power efficiency in this use case and wanna buy this thing

[astral haven]

wut

[ashen spindle]

wendells CS2 numbers

[unkempt lake]

Literally slower than a 7700x...

[fair gull]

but forspoken runs better

[ashen spindle]

what is he running, a 14900k?

[marsh pewter]

ohhh true intel is so much better

[unkempt lake]

A 10900k

[fair gull]

intel truly focusing on the right games to bring a performance uplift in

maybe gollum also runs better on the new intel

who knows

[ashen spindle]

[unkempt lake]

Yes technically it would be an upgrade but... ahhhhhh

I can't reason with this dude lol

[astral haven]

thats quite wonky https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-ultra-9-285k/images/counter-strike-2-1920-1080.png

[unkempt lake]

He says intel is "more reliable" and that 14 gen was proof that they can fix their issues unlike amd

[fair gull]

youre showing 1080p

[ashen spindle]

CS2/csgo has always had very varying numbers, if you use certain settings, some maps, online vs offline vs replays vs set maps etc.

[fair gull]

wendell was 1440 iirc

[ashen spindle]

also this could be something where the board has some issue or w/e and its not that worse

[unkempt lake]

Userbenchmark user be like

[astral haven]

https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-ultra-9-285k/images/counter-strike-2-2560-1440.png
1440 is even closer

[ashen spindle]

but that doesnt quite matter because it should not launch like this

[astral haven]

🤷 its p awful priced but itd be perfectly fine if they halved the prices

[marsh glade]

I snorted at this

Intel has been very reliable the last few years, they're absolutely right about that

I just don't think that's quite the compliment they think it is

[astral haven]

yea you dont get credit for recovering quickly after shooting yourself in the foot

[smoky frigate]

repeatedly, and then drop the gun on it

there is a pattern here! they're reliable!

[unkempt lake]

14 gen issues shouldn't have happened in the first place

[plucky tapir]

Oh well, my plan was to see what was best 285K vs 9950X3D then decide, I feel like Intel already decided for me.

[marsh glade]

It's a symptom of Intel's inability to properly innovate, while still being under intense pressure from the business side to make number go up

[unkempt lake]

@marsh glade oh shit i didn't moumoupost today

Time to fix that

[plucky tapir]

They are on a better node than AMD and their old stuff, new architecture and still behind. It's so sad.

[steady sail]

overall im not sad

[cursive summit]

Dunno if it was posted or not but, I see that previews on next shittel are about and.. what the hell is this

[marsh glade]

This is Halloween

[cursive summit]

So Arrow Lake was a disappointment as anticipated

[marsh glade]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-halloween-everybody-make-a-scene-spooky-ghosts-halloween-gif-4627883

[ashen spindle]

it was so much worse than anticipated

[unkempt lake]

We lost vex 2 just to gain back original vex

[cursive summit]

Chances it'll still sell anyways cause.. Intel?

[unkempt lake]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-panic-anxiety-scared-cats-gif-27482371

[ashen spindle]

it wont sell

because you cant even buy it

[cursive summit]

Glad to be back just for you

[ashen spindle]

mindfactory has 0 stock

the whole of australia has gotten <100units for launch month

[unkempt lake]

To be fair Vex 2 is way worse i'd rather deal with the original

[cursive summit]

Nah I have learnt not to spite people for no reason in the past few months

I'll be off Discord until December or January anyways

[unkempt lake]

Character development????

[gusty kiln]

Vex unironically was right about oled this whole time

[unkempt lake]

Holy shit

[cursive summit]

Holy shit, better story than Twilight

[cursive summit]

If I ever stand on my stances and double down, is my hate for OLED

If it self destructs, I ain't buying it

[gusty kiln]

Vrr flicker is an issue for a lot of people

[plucky tapir]

OLED monitor #1?

[astral haven]

hope you are joking

[gusty kiln]

Somewhat

Kek

[cursive summit]

Anyways what happened to OLED

[plucky tapir]

I'd rather live with OLED killing itself than BLB and IPS glow.

[cursive summit]

Did they finally release a purchasable microled?

[gusty kiln]

Vrr flicker eventually became a deal breaker for a lot of people

[astral haven]

and what did they move to lcd? 🤣

[gusty kiln]

They wait and suffer

[smoky frigate]

bretty good

[astral haven]

maybe dlp can do vrr without flicker

[plucky tapir]

I only really notice vrr flicker during loading screens.

[gusty kiln]

interesting tech

[empty wren]

Sure in like many years come back and see

[sleek halo]

does anyone have strats to get rid of scratching on glass mousepad? (i think i have a little hair stuck in one of the skates and it refuses to go away)

[cursive summit]

Ah so no, that's unfortunate

Did they release good quality minileds yet?

[gusty kiln]

Constant cleaning unfortunately

[empty wren]

Well get varjo headset if you want one now, downside is living in vr

[astral haven]

wut
how about literally any high end lcd?

[empty wren]

Looks like they did before

[sleek halo]

yeah im trying so hard just looking at the spot every couple minutes and i just cant find it 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[plucky tapir]

LCD with BLB and/or IPS glow 🤮

[astral haven]

sure but thats like saying oh you want an electric car? you should get a rimac nevera

[marsh glade]

There's a quote somewhere in the series Star Wars: Jedi Apprentice where Qui-Gon counsels Obi-Wan that by eliminating the enemy you know, that you could find yourself faced with an even greater evil. I'm not sure the exact quote, wish I could find it..

[cursive summit]

I would like to think I am the Baby Yoda in that story

[gusty kiln]

There's always a bigger fish

[marsh glade]

That's a reference to this quote

[cursive summit]

Anyways see you lot next year, baby yoda is out

[unkempt lake]

You're reformed now so yes

[smoky frigate]

maybe ary split off from him

[balmy vector]

And i can fry it

[gusty kiln]

Like buu and evil buu

[analog sinew]

and ibuu

[plucky tapir]

All these new PC parts are all boring. I'm glad I bought a PS5 Pro to get some spice into my life.

[leaden kiln]

I thought my lcds backlight was dying because windows titlebars turned yellow in a spot on my monitor 💀

Happy I don't have to get a new monitor

[plucky tapir]

Get a new one anyway, you already prepared you wallet for it and that's the hard part.

[balmy vector]

Apple got to em

[leaden kiln]

Nah this 15 dollar monitor is gonna last me for the rest of ever

[halcyon comet]

Stupid question but if wooting can make true 8k polling on a keyboard would it be possible to do the same on a gaming mouse?

[astral haven]

mice are hard because theres pretty much a monopoly on sensors

[gusty kiln]

Is razer implementation not true 8k?

They usually get first dibs on latest tech from pixart

[astral haven]

its 8k sometimes

but when your dpi is too low, it just doesnt

[gusty kiln]

That's true, most people don't go above 1600/3200 dpi

Unless you have triple 4k monitors

[astral haven]

often people yeet sensitivity rather than touching dpi unfortunately

[leaden kiln]

I doubled my dpi this week

[gusty kiln]

Shame windows sensitivity is wack that people just leave it alone

Reducing windows sense and increasing dpi for that smooth 8K on desktop use

[smoky frigate]

pretty reasonable for any mouse really

[gusty kiln]

Silver lining with arrow lake is that an entry level 1-2 P core with 4 E core cpu with the new igpu would be an amazing nas/plex server cpu.

[ashen spindle]

ehhh

you see they are all the same cpu tile so it would need some heavy defects to be that far down

and you have worse idle due to interconnects

[gusty kiln]

Damn

[marsh glade]

Sunofabitch I found a dead pixel

Oh wait no false alarm the grime was just really stuck on there 😅

[leaden kiln]

I'm so happy I didn't get any dead pixels on my uOLED
I saw people talking about getting a few so I was a bit worried

[astral haven]

uoled? vr?

[leaden kiln]

yeah

[astral haven]

which set?

[leaden kiln]

beyond

[astral haven]

sweet

[leaden kiln]

pretty epic

[astral haven]

holy smokes audio technica thank you
when i fried my kvm it took out a usb hub, my usb audio adapter and my powerplay mat, but my at2100 survived!!

[gusty kiln]

The old kvm?

[astral haven]

yea, if i fried the l1 id be distraught

[gusty kiln]

$700 brick

[ashen spindle]

https://x.com/HPC_Guru/status/1849501014862463224 this however is something that should worry you in regards to IFS @fickle ore

HPC Guru (@HPC_Guru) on X

.@Intel names a successor to Ann Kelleher, head of the chipmaker’s technology development

CEO @PGelsinger said Kelleher’s successor is Navid Shahriari, who jointly runs Intel’s design engineering operation from Arizona

https://t.co/jvtTefLq8A

#HPC via @rogoway @anshelsag

Twitter · Oct 24, 2024, 5:19 PM

[smoky frigate]

so it arrow lake draws less power and isn't overvolted to shit.. how does it overclock

[astral haven]

5, my second monitor switches itself

[balmy vector]

good representation

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVLRVAxGxKY from this

this is what you can get with run ring and what not and he did get it to be 5 fps ahead in AC mirage with a direct die and 5.7/5.1 OC

[fickle ore]

Huh, why?

[ashen spindle]

if shes leaving that's a really bad sign because she was leading IFS basically

known for doing a good job leading fabs and basically got a blank check from pat to get node leadership

[fickle ore]

Meh, the reason could be whatever either positive or negative. Also she looks quite old so maybe retiring

I wouldnt base anything off of that

wish there was more to the tale

[smoky frigate]

oh, hum, hm, d'aw

[ashen spindle]

well it seems from someone internally mentioning it

so we will probably get something official in some days/weeks and how that gets parsed will matter, if she is leaving or joining another role or whats going on

[fickle ore]

28 years with intel + 25-30 years atleast with masters + phd so shes prob ~60 yo

[ashen spindle]

58 yes

[fickle ore]

Heck of a career. Finishing 18A might have been her final goal.

[ashen spindle]

you wouldnt go announcing a successor to her teams already if thats the plan when 18A isnt ready yet

[fickle ore]

From Phoronix:

"When taking the geometric mean of nearly 400 benchmarks tested across these processors, the Core Ultra 9 285K was 12% faster than the Core i9 14900K overall. Or about 14% faster when switching to DDR5-8000 memory. This put the Core Ultra 9 285K right inline with the performance of the AMD Ryzen 9 7950X prior generation process overall or around 95% the performance of the AMD Ryzen 9 9900X or 84% the speed of the AMD Ryzen 9 9950X for this wide mix of workloads tested under Linux.

The few Linux gaming tests showed the performance regressing compared to the Core i9 14900K but with much better power efficiency. Across various other workloads was decent generational improvements in raw performance for areas like code compilation, some HPC tasks in cases where AVX-512 isn't utilized, and various other creator and developer workloads. The 24 physical cores with the Core Ultra 9 285K was enough to outperform the 32-thread Ryzen 9 9950X in many code compilation tasks, some MPI workloads, and more, but in areas leveraging AVX-512 like AI and many creator workloads, the AMD Ryzen 9 9900 series continued to dominate."

Kinda sad about the gaming related regressions

Probably that latency

[distant tapir]

[ashen spindle]

yeah even in phoronix tests it did kinda bad

especailly since it still lacks avx512

[thick elk]

Phoronix, not the best benchmarks sadly, relies a lot on his own suit.

[fickle ore]

Yes but it's one of the few Linux ones to contrast with all the known windows benches. To double check if it's giving different results in there vs windows.

[thick elk]

If you compare the same benchmarks yes, but not overall score as he tests a very different mix of tests.

[ashen spindle]

it does often have a lot of issues but it is one of the few places that shows a lot of these workbenches

[fickle ore]

I was mainly interested in whether the overall IPC had increased for which the average result is fine. Also I wanted to see if the gaming related regression was seen on Linux, which it was. I've seen the windows benches already. There was talk the results may have been caused to some extent by faulty windows scheduler.

[ashen spindle]

theres a lot going wrong but its not just scheduler

[fickle ore]

Yeah, latency seems to be the main culprit in regards to gaming

[ashen spindle]

I mena in general on the platform

every reviewer had tons of issues

[vapid ruin]

Nice VR setup

[leaden kiln]

👴

[vapid ruin]

me want one myself, but base station VR is very not cheap

[leaden kiln]

I love not seeing sde

u can always get 1.0 base stations for cheap with an old vive

at least a little bit cheaper

I got an og vive for like a 100 bucks
oled headset 😈

But it sucks and the wands are so ass
upgraded to an index pretty quick but it's also kinda ass, the controllers are a lot better though

[steady sail]

Ooo thats nice

[distant tapir]

Did a Windows update make the AMD ones that much better?

[steady sail]

I wanna get a valve index at some point

[steady sail]

Yeah it did

[distant tapir]

How?

[leaden kiln]

💀

[steady sail]

Windows fixed something

[dusky plume]

i legit had to look back in my box from my viper v3 pro, i didnt even know it came with gripp tape and ive had it for months

[ashen spindle]

hardware mitigations were not acounted for so it disabled stuff that was fixed in hardware in software too so it was losing performance for no reason

[steady sail]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/1f71cid/windows_11_24h2_23h2_update_how_big_is_the/

[leaden kiln]

a cheap used index is kinda ok but still not great in a lot of ways
there are a lot of better headsets but there's not any headset that beats the index in every category

[steady sail]

I wanna play half life alyx and a few vr game or atleast trying them out

[leaden kiln]

get a q2 if u just wanna try some stuff
imo

[steady sail]

I mean i could just get a quest 2

[leaden kiln]

yeah q2 will almost certainly be cheaper

[ashen spindle]

grab a 3 or 3s, 2 isnt really worth it at this point

[vapid ruin]

I got the quest 3, tracking very nice but I'm eager for base station tracking since I got space.

[leaden kiln]

is the 3s worth it
It's just a 2 with new processor, at least playing pcvr you won't get any big difference, maybe a bit in comfort so maybe worth it, I haven't used either

[ashen spindle]

well its the same price as the 2

[vapid ruin]

Since it has quest 3 stuff, it should have a better wifi no?

[leaden kiln]

yeah brand new quest 2 isn't worth it for sure

[tame spindle]

Can some1help
My shift key dienst work properly

[steady sail]

For me a quest 3s is 420€ a new quest 2 is 350€

[vapid ruin]

waow

[steady sail]

Yeah i love Hungary

[leaden kiln]

what csn you find an index kit for

[steady sail]

No one sells index kits in Hungary

[leaden kiln]

too bad
don't buy it new from valve

1100€ ain't it

[steady sail]

They sell index kits on ebay but its the same price as the quest 3s

[leaden kiln]

that's not that bad

I got mine for like 6000 sek like 500 something eur
People still like indexes so they aren't cheap

I don't know if it's worth it though

[steady sail]

I found a full index kits for 480€

But its from french

[vapid ruin]

Saw one for like $600 in my local area

well 'local', like a sea away

[leaden kiln]

kinda fine but index is not 2024 material at like 12ppd or whatever

[astral haven]

nothing matches or beats the index for motion clarity

[steady sail]

Valve controller v2

[astral haven]

yea the knuckles are unmatched but you can use them with whatever steamvr headset you want

[leaden kiln]

I like knuckles but I know people who don't
I think flipvr is out now and there's a few gloves releasing soon I think

Knuckles are a lot more comfy with the 3d printed boosters at least if your hands are medium-large

[astral haven]

does flipvr have even basic finger tracking?

[leaden kiln]

they do not have finger tracking

[astral haven]

and gloves so far are all wonky

[leaden kiln]

And expensive with the extra tundras

[distant tapir]

How better have VR headsets gotten with FOV aside from Pimax? Last VR headset I tried was the HTC Vive.

It felt so claustrophobic.

[leaden kiln]

I don't think anyone is going for fov much other than pimax

[lyric hatch]

Tried the quest 3 yesterday it's pretty nice

[leaden kiln]

I mean there's stuff better than the og vive for sure

[astral haven]

index is far better than og vive

[leaden kiln]

wikipedia says 110 degrees for vive but I wonder if that's diagonal

[light thunder]

Guys, do you know what the trick is for having the console keyboard responsive at 0.01 mm?

[analog sinew]

it starts at 0.15mm

[light thunder]

yes but can we lower it to 0.01 mm on console

[analog sinew]

i just told you it starts at 0.15mm

you can't lower it any further.

[steady sail]

U cant

[light thunder]

Ok

[frozen ingot]

so intel is having a bit of a rough year

[balmy vector]

A bit few rough years

[smoky frigate]

the more I think about it the more I am hopeful for their followup gens, it's their long-overdue overhaul people were asking for, but it's not refined. intel does not get the fanfare that AMD got for zen 1, and for obvious reasons
it wouldn't be the first intel overhaul that turns out a dead end also

[ashen spindle]

somewhat fair but you also need to consider this isnt even zen1

they already had MTL-S planned and that would have been even worse

so at the minimum this is already gen 1.5

[lyric hatch]

Thing is zen1 was at least cheap

[ashen spindle]

well thats from a consumer point, for a design point it doesnt matter how it sells

yeah internal politics are intels biggest issue atm which amd never had because they never had enough people that they could have opposing teams lol

I mean 11th gen is a bad product but not bad as an engineering feat

it was a backport after all

and at least it had avx512...

mhh imc was fine though, it did 3200 in gear1 jedec

I mean I dont think any however competent team could make a backport that will scale reasonably well into OC teritory

[fickle ore]

Yupp Intel has a lot of fatcutting to do

[ashen spindle]

I wouldnt say its fatcutting

it's not the issue of having too many teams or people, it's an issue of how they work together

[fickle ore]

Let's star with.. cutting atleast 75% of the middle managers? 😛

[ashen spindle]

I think you could replace every manager middle to top, if that doesnt come with a change of internal politics it just stays the same

mhm from my understanding its also the e-core team thats mostly blocking avx512 so even thought they to well its not like that team is flawless either

[smoky frigate]

oh dog what was that?

[ashen spindle]

Royal Core was a clean sheet design that got almost entirely scrapped it seems

whatever the new plan is is what we will get in nova lake

[smoky frigate]

what a mess

has intel been like this during core 2 duo days already, or did that metastasize during the post-skylake era?

[fickle ore]

Yeah massive cuts to the amount of managers is needed.

[ashen spindle]

intel always has internal politics be the big issue, here read this part about the time of itanium/x64

[fickle ore]

kick the HR's out too while at it

[ashen spindle]

note that internal politics doesnt just mean management is at fault

[fickle ore]

My company HR thinks returning back to office will make us more efficient

Prob been reading some new scientific takes

[ashen spindle]

tell them sure if they start accepting that commute to and from the place is counted to the work time then you might be open to it

[fickle ore]

Heh that would be wage theft!

[ashen spindle]

not really

[fickle ore]

rules for thee, not for me

[ashen spindle]

I'm not saying just work less without telling them lol I literally mean tell them if they want RTO they have to change your contract so that travel to and from is counted as your worktime

[fickle ore]

I agree any job that doesnt need office presence is just stealing from you for making you come to the office

[smoky frigate]

man working at intel sounds exhausting

[ashen spindle]

well, they are also so big you can find smaller teams and never end up dealing with that

not everyone is a lead architecht

[smoky frigate]

even as a technician you must have some idea of what's going on at most times, and shake your head at it

[fickle ore]

intel has had shit ceos

idk about Patty

[rough osprey]

https://x.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1849137574398267670

More Perfect Union (@MorePerfectUS) on X

BREAKING: An industry group representing Comcast, Disney, Warner Bros. Discovery and other corporate interests is suing to block the FTC's new "click to cancel" rule that requires companies to make canceling a subscription just as easy as it was to sign up.

Twitter · Oct 23, 2024, 5:15 PM

lol

[analog sinew]

hope they hit em hard

[rough osprey]

make all subscriptions free 🔥

[mild dome]

If only we could boycott them for starting such a dumb lawsuit

[smoky frigate]

question, where did you hear the "team gluing X, Y and Z together" bit? it would explain a lot of these very mixed bags of products, but I'm also wondering if they could alternatively be efficient, only with bad decisions lol

ic ic
it does kinda sound like something that a company with no competition turns into after a few years, plausible enough for me to believe it

[ashen spindle]

It’s not due to lack of competition because it’s also not an inherently bad design it’s just not working for Intel

[sudden imp]

I guess this new architecture is supposed to lead to better generations

It seems this new CPUs performance is similar to the 14th gen

So I guess it’s supposed to be uphill from here?

[unkempt lake]

https://www.phoronix.com/review/intel-core-ultra-9-285k-linux

this is just like zen 5 all over again

BuT iTs GoOd On LiNuX!!!

ok cool but most people use windows so this is meaningless for most home users

[ashen spindle]

It’s not even good on Linux though just alright

He even concluded it’s more like a zen4 in productivity

[exotic plinth]

American goverment tries to follow eu lvl

[mild dome]

Saw something a earlier that AMD and Intel were planning to combine their powers to fixup x86.
I imagine they might be putting their foot down and dropping legacy support for some of the older systems

[umbral heron]

The wa?
Yeah, sorry, I'd rather have 10% slower compilation on a CPU that uses HALF THE POWER to do so

[smoky frigate]

woah what the fuck it's near the top of every chart here but dead last in the 2 games he tested

[umbral heron]

Kinda bummer he didn't run some games through Proton, like CP2077, oh well

[smoky frigate]

I'd looove a comparison now, none of the YT reviewers ever touch on loonix gaming

[marsh pewter]

idk if it’s worth their time to test on linux when pretty much nobody uses it for gaming

[umbral heron]

I should really look into how it runs on one CCD vs on whole CPU in my case
There was like twice the UPS difference with Factorio

[marsh pewter]

but it would be great to see linux benchmarks and comparisons etc more often

[umbral heron]

Oh, and don't worry about it working well on Linux
Intel laid off quite a lot of Linux maintainers when it comes to drivers, so that may change really soon

[marsh pewter]

society if linux support:

[unkempt lake]

Rip

[smoky frigate]

a lot of russian kernel contributors got a lot of free time lately, intel can hire them for a hamburger

[marsh pewter]

that’s assuming intel can actually do something good/helpful

[umbral heron]

This is total BS
US DOJ sucks total ass
Some random Russian guys doing nothing wrong but submitting patches to open-source project: SANctioNS
But Leon Musk buys votes for the Annoying Orange: welp, nothing wrong here
Fucking embarrassment of a country

[ashen spindle]

its not the US that puts sanctions on russia

[ashen spindle]

nope legacy support is one of the strengths of x86

also wouldnt really benefit much

[umbral heron]

That's the US that choses to impose them
Selectively and in this case kinda weird that 2 years after the fact

[ashen spindle]

linus did say its not just the us sanctions that were the reason for it

[umbral heron]

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Compliance-Requirements

[smoky frigate]

linus been listening to finnish bands from his youth lately I presume https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poxL7K17V3g

[umbral heron]

So basically this:

Again, we're really sorry it's come to this, but all of the Linux infrastructure and a lot of its maintainers are in the US and we can't ignore the requirements of US law. We are hoping that this action alone will be sufficient to satisfy the US Treasury department in charge of sanctions and we won't also have to remove any existing patches.

[ashen spindle]

I mean the man himself said

As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too.

And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.

[ashen spindle]

a lot of people on the gpu driver team were in russia thats one of the reasons the alchemist gpu launch was delayed

because they needed to get some people out and replace others

and then the drivers still had all the issues

[mild dome]

Russia is a totalitarian dictatorship that would love to send malicious code straight into Linux. It doesn't matter how well trusted a Russian citizen was before, the fact is that if Putin told them to jump, their only option is to reach for the skies or lie down in a 2m deep ditch

[umbral heron]

"Not just a US thing" can mean so many different things...
Anyway, those were just your usual kernel developers, who were just Russian, it's not like they too support Russian aggression

[ashen spindle]

I mean for one we dont know if they do or not

there are absolutely downsides to excluding them all no doubt, but sadly thats how things have to work

[smoky frigate]

oh so there was a threat of funding getting pulled, that makes a lot of sense

[umbral heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTmLQ9q1m50

An actual useful video? In 2024 on YouTube?

[mild dome]

The fact is that even if we could verify a Russian is anti-Putinist, Putin can just hold their family hostage and force them to submit malicious code. It doesn't matter how many eyes are looking into it, missing even one line could be a disaster

China very much almost got Malware into Linux's SSH systems https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/06/xz-utils-linux-malware-open-source-software-cyber-attack-andres-freund

[unkempt lake]

Kinks UwU

[ashen spindle]

well technically we dont know if that was china sponsored or who that really was

[smoky frigate]

and that was spotted despite being not nearly as well supervised as the kernel

[unkempt lake]

Anyone here running 24H2?

Wondering how it is after the first batch of fixes

Seemed messy at first

[marsh pewter]

just switch to linux

[unkempt lake]

Dual boot

🧠

Sorry if i just wanna know if it's finally worth updating my windows drive to 24h2

(:(:(:

[marsh pewter]

nah im playing I dual boot aswell

[balmy vector]

its ight

[unkempt lake]

Thank you that's all i wanted to know

[balmy vector]

i do like the new way the graphics panel looks though

much more detail

[unkempt lake]

I wish I could have a full linux system but uh i happen to enjoy playing multiplayer games with nico who well don't work on linux

So until it reaches parity dual boot it is

Which sadly will never happen

[marsh pewter]

yeah I also dual boot to play games with friends

[unkempt lake]

Because corporations no likies linux

[marsh pewter]

very sadge :(

[unkempt lake]

Not really a choice

It's either you dual boot or either you no play

[marsh pewter]

a lot of games we play work on linux but the ones that dont are hard to give up

fortnite and valorant are the main ones

[unkempt lake]

I dont play those

[marsh pewter]

good

[unkempt lake]

Tbh if it wasn't for playing with nico basically everything i play would work on linux

[marsh pewter]

dont do it

[unkempt lake]

Should get divorced and find a linux user to marry instead

[balmy vector]

fortnite i give a pass for festival

[unkempt lake]

i clearly made a mistake by ending up with... a rainbow six player

[marsh pewter]

im not sure if thats the best thing to get a divorce for

[lyric hatch]

Became a bit of a running joke with a friend of mine everytime he had to boot into windows to play with us

[marsh pewter]

nvm I take it back

[balmy vector]

Honestly

[frozen ingot]

got software as well as hardware that isn't supported at all on linux so its a no-go for my daily driver

[balmy vector]

Destiny players are the best to marry, cuz they’re committed

[unkempt lake]

He know how to cook tho

[frozen ingot]

I want to run a second machine with it tho

[unkempt lake]

you're right they won't leave no matter how toxic the relationship gets

[balmy vector]

They do be victims of bungie

Can confirm as one

[lyric hatch]

You must buy the next mediocre dlc for full price

[balmy vector]

Cdkeys

[lyric hatch]

Have any friends that want to get into destiny with you now? Good luck

[ashen spindle]

I'\m just keeping an eye out on https://looking-glass.io/ imo this is what will make linux viable for gaming, that you have the option for a really simple passthrough instead of dualbooting

but unless some big money/dev time gets put in there thats still going to take years to be smooth

[balmy vector]

Thankfully i haven’t played destiny since i beat final shape

[lyric hatch]

I got out of my wow cycle during bfa

[balmy vector]

Had to finish the story before i could feel satisfied leaving

[wheat plume]

Dual booting SUCKS cause at any moment, a Windows update can fuck up the bootloader and make your Linux system unbootable

Even when they are on separate drives

Nah
I've done it until about 2 years ago and it sucked

[ashen spindle]

and you've been the only one here who's had issues with dual booting like that here for years

[umbral heron]

That is really overly complicated
Just create a hook that passes through whole GPU to KVM while it's running and gives control back to OS one it's finished

Keep both bootloaders and just pick in UEFI which one you want to boot to?

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah it is really complicated because flawless passthrough without any downside is complicated

[umbral heron]

I don't really see any downsides in hook approach
It's way simpler, and both of these methods use KVM, so if the game has VM detection you're cooked

[ashen spindle]

you gotta specify what you mean with hook approach bc I'm not sure I think of the same thing

[wheat plume]

Mutahar has managed to get GTA Online running in a VM under Linux host

[ashen spindle]

who

[wheat plume]

Which is cool cause Battleye is a kernel level anticheat

[balmy vector]

Some ordinary gamers YouTube

For context

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/eMSagozpKPs

[ashen spindle]

ah, youtuber

[umbral heron]

A libvirt hook, once VM is starting libvirt unloads drivers and detaches GPU from OS, and connects it as PCI device to VM
Once VM stops running it does the same thing in reverse, attaches GPU to main OS and loads kernel modules for drivers

Nowadays it'll be quite simpler now, given almost all PCs will have 2 GPUs, Intel had iGPU for a long time now, AMD adds them to all CPUs since Zen4

[ashen spindle]

that still seems to come at a decent performance hit or are these older posts about about libvirt not accurate anymore?

[umbral heron]

I used it like about a year ago, and there was no difference between native Windows and KVM

[ashen spindle]

I need to stop reading into these topics at 2am lmao

[umbral heron]

Couldn't play Tarkov though, because they have VM detection
But for the Xbox games it worked great

[ashen spindle]

so the current state is that you can set it up if I have a game that doesnt block and I would want to use that because for whatever reason it wouldnt run via proton I can hook into the VM and that does come at any latency cost or anything?

[umbral heron]

Yeah, basically
Ran pretty much like native, I had no issues with it

Just that sometimes DM was stubborn and didn't want to load again, so I had to restart it manually, but other than that, yeah, no complaints

So now I have Forza and Sea of Thieves on Steam, so I don't care about Xbox stuff
And Tarkov devs showed exactly what they think about their playerbase, so Linux only it is for now
And thanks for Windows PE, so I can change RGB on GPU without playing around bootloaders and stuff

[ashen spindle]

thats neat, it's a pain to keep up what works and doesnt with passthrough and different vendors locking different parts in their drivers for vfio etc.

[umbral heron]

But yeah, now almost every new system has 2 GPUs, so you don't have to play with hooks
Just a simple script will be enough

[ashen spindle]

ehh maybe when igpu does a bit more, dont want to run desktop on a 2cu igpu. something to look at when I get a new zen6 system or similar though

still expect there to be reasons that will make me not do it that arent fixed by then but who knows

[umbral heron]

Nah, RDNA2 CUs in Zen4 are more than enough to play light games on there, let alone run desktop on them
For example Balatro or Stardew Valley I run from iGPU

Just saying that it wouldn't be a problem at all, if only Nvidia and AMD weren't a bunch of asses and allowed for SRIOV
We can virtualize CPUs and RAM, but not GPUs and VRAM for some reason

[ashen spindle]

I mean I have dual monitor and main screen is 3440x1440x175hz I aint running anythig on an igpu for that

poor thing would burst in flames

[umbral heron]

My main is 1440p280 and it additionally drives 2 1080p monitors
It can handle that

[ashen spindle]

and yeah sriov restrictions was what I had in mind still being a pain

[umbral heron]

I definitely don't need more for now
I don't think I ever went over 12G of VRAM used

[ashen spindle]

intel has sriov workong on arc sorta but then you also have to deal with intel lmao

bmg is also too late to be relevant again

but no AI system even would care for it so the segmentaiton by nvidia doesnt even help them make more money

it will probably be similar competetivel as arc is

heh if that still exists

I mean amd and nvidia arent launching sooner eihter

hardware is hard

uhh are you sure you are remembering that correctly

because intel hasnt really teased battlemage for desktop aside from it being on roadmaps where they just laid out alchemist to druid

end of 23 we got some slides that put battlemage towards end of 24 and thats about it

lunar lake got pulled in sooner so thats why battlemage igpus are out before dgpu

lmao not even close

because its on tsmc

[dull hollow]

🗿

[fleet thistle]

https://www.amazon.com.au/Kraken-Coiled-Keyboard-Cable-Mechanical/dp/B0BK7L11ZM

would this support tay mode

[distant tapir]

Damn the latest Optimum video... I backed the Dune Pro in 2021.

Pretty sure it started legit but eventually turned into a scam after a lot of incompetence.

The owner hasn't posted in the Discord since....

This long ago.

Whenever he hosted a Q&A he was very dodgy when asked if he were running out of funds.

He did actually ship like 30 something cases out of the few thousand orders to a few lucky people. But they were in bad shape, came with loose screws and even some missing parts I think.

He said he would send them extra kits but never did.

I was one of the lucky few who managed to get a refund. IndieGoGo only lets a few people get one. Felt so good being able to laugh in the sidelines at the shitshow when I got my $350 or whatever back.

Alex himself denied refunds of course but IGG was obliged to give some.

He started muting and kicking people on the Discord when they talked about refunds.

[rough osprey]

https://fixupx.com/sawyermerritt/status/1849606060174159889?s=46

[old marlin]

Glad to hear they are doing something

They even look kinda decent

[rough osprey]

hope it gets to the eu too

[old marlin]

Maybe later

But prob not

[warped gull]

That built-in gas generator /range extender is dumb AF though.

[old marlin]

I can see it being useful

[steep creek]

fun way to lose your ev incentives though

at least here

[old marlin]

yea it's just a plug in hybrid now

at least here

[steep creek]

ah i see

[old marlin]

very glad they didn't put that clown nose on it

[steep creek]

lol

from the back it kinda reminds me of a rivian r1t

but i like the look

[old marlin]

I mean it is clearly rivian competition

but atm their EV plattform ain't doin too well

[steep creek]

yeah i was let down by the id3

[old marlin]

and the id4

and the id7

[steep creek]

exactly lol

[old marlin]

and the id2 still ain't in sight

[steep creek]

yea i’ve lost hope for now

[old marlin]

same goes for mercedes as well

EQ plattform is discontinued

[steep creek]

oh wow

[old marlin]

small reminder that they can't sell gas cars in the EU from 2035 onwards

[steep creek]

that makes me think about toyota tbh, and when they’ll wake up

they have only launched one ev to my knowledge, with poor range

[old marlin]

wdym they already have an EV without a pronouncable name

where they copied the yoke from tesla, that sucked so they stuck a normal wheel in that looks totally out of place

[jagged light]

can anyone help me pick out a kbm

[old marlin]

that was the original one btw

[steep creek]

yea my neighbor bought one of these back in september

[old marlin]

guh

[steep creek]

it was spacious i guess lol

[queen quail]

how many hertz does the wooting 60he+ have?

[umbral heron]

Up to 1k refresh rate, 1k polling rate

[queen quail]

but do you notice the difference to 8k hertz or not

[raw zephyr]

no

[jagged light]

Can anyone help me pick out a keyboard and mouse

[umbral heron]

Keyboard:

• Good: Razer, Wooting, Geon, Nuphy
• Meh: SteelSeries, Corsair
• Nope: Logitech
  Mice:
• Good: Razer, Lamzu, Pulsar, Ninjutso, WLMouse, Endgame
• Meh: Logitech
• Nope: Finalmouse, Glorious

[raw zephyr]

finalmouse in nope tier?

i mean the hype around them is stupid but they make good mice

[umbral heron]

Sure, buy 3 mice, one of them will be good

[lyric hatch]

Put em in nope because of cringe marketing alone, but maybe I'm just not enough of a freethinker for their products

[old marlin]

you wouldn't get it

[outer peak]

Add vaxee and zowie to good mice

Vaxee has really good qc , good tech quality product various shapes

Pulsar has horrendous qc

Logitech could be in good bracket otherwise agree on rest🫡

[outer peak]

I had 3 different ulx all different batches 1 of them was decent qc, rest straight dogwater, (aceu tarix and normal ulx)

They always overhype their products and underdeliver

[fair gull]

not too long when we get the 9800x3d drop

[outer peak]

2 weeks

Probably is that sku

[fair gull]

well i consider it dropped when official benches from bigger outlets have been released

[umbral heron]

Waiting for that i9 15900K

[fair gull]

hf waiting

hope the 9800x3d can give me more fps in ff14....

[umbral heron]

Did they change the name only because they knew Arrow Lake wouldn't match Meteor Lake and provide something on top of it?

[fair gull]

they changed the name so people get even more confused

[outer peak]

I dont even need to hope it gives me more fps in any game over 8700K

[fair gull]

lol

[ashen spindle]

Name change is just like amd, based on NPU generations now, thanks Microsoft for the Ai PC

[ashen spindle]

Based on a supposed OC result in the benchmark it should yes

[analog sinew]

🙏

9800x3d my saviour

[wild coyote]

7800X3D has left the chat

[spiral plume]

i'm spawning in with the most edging case of the channel, but what do you do if you have a component that requires 12V and a pcb that runs with 5V to work with?

[umbral heron]

If PCB can supply enough power then buck-boost converter
But preferably either get a separate 12V power source or use component rated for 3V3/5V

[outer peak]

Wish 5000 rtx would be released this year aswell so i could upgrade the whole thing

[spiral plume]

oh thanks!! :D

[jaunty marsh]

is this valid?

yeah

i think wooting should be at C too

[spiral plume]

i'd still say wooting 60He as SS cuz the software and firmware support is real long lasting and crazy good

[jaunty marsh]

i know

[spiral plume]

further than most keyboards

[jaunty marsh]

this aint my list

[spiral plume]

aaaah

[umbral heron]

Just... https://eyejokerdb.com/benchmarks/keyboard

[outer peak]

+tranparency communication qc , fixing shit etc

[spiral plume]

and overall customization possiblities

[outer peak]

Seems like it was made by subhuman with 13 xtra cromosomes

[jaunty marsh]

can i make it non chinese?

[jaunty marsh]

13 less

i know i have the translate feature on my browser

but like i still dont understand a lot of it

[spiral plume]

this won't provide anything that can convert 5V to 12V :(

i'm sad i spent too much time on it

[jaunty marsh]

oof

[spiral plume]

i was trustful

i've been betrayed

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-kill-die-killing-gif-18258403

anyway let's find a new frie- website marketplace

oooh i was so close

[umbral heron]

Maybe 12V step-up converter?

[spiral plume]

genius

litterally the first result

what it is like to have 260IQ:

[umbral heron]

Just be careful about them, they're not really powerful, can handle like 5W, but not much more

[spiral plume]

it's good for me, i only need 2W

like it's still small electronics

i'm trying to make shits and then i'll legally protect my shit, and sell it to whatever company

(wooting)

probably making a keyboard that is interresting

but i'm poor

oh this is so perfect

so 3W for the stepper and 2W for my "thing"

the "thing" is what's gonna make my keyboard switch better than everyone else on the market xD

i hope

it may be more pricey tho

[queen quail]

Is this the 60he+ because the stabilizers are black and can you order from the site or will you be deducted?

[spiral plume]

looks like 60He

not gasket mount

mmmh

[spiral plume]

this is the 60He+

i'd say they look pretty much the same

[queen quail]

Ok

[spiral plume]

i don't really know tbh

[analog sinew]

You can join us on the Tak60 project

[analog sinew]

👀

[spiral plume]

i found a technology that would allow you to custom the force curve to fit your needs

this is huge ngl

[queen quail]

You can also buy the wooting 60he+ in the store or just order it

[analog sinew]

only online but there might be resellers

[analog sinew]

i'm curious what you come up with

[spiral plume]

if i manage to protect the idea or sell it to... let say wooting, i will tell exactly what it is and how it is

[analog sinew]

good luck ^^

[spiral plume]

i'm quite sure i could sell the prototype to a really life changing price

but for now it's just an osu keypad as a way to make sure the switch is working good enough xD

cuz each key will cost 40€ to make at this point

industry wise, it could be 1€ per switch i think so still a viable price

like imagine a game changer keyboard at 160€

[umbral heron]

https://www.eurogamer.net/microsoft-ceos-pay-rises-63-to-73m-despite-devastating-year-for-layoffs

Fuck Microsoft, honestly

Tango Gameworks died for this

[sudden imp]

It’s honestly annoying because the US has passed bills to give these giant corporations money to build fabs so more Americans can get jobs

We really need to take cue from Europe and start heavily regulating

We don’t actually participate in a free market

Privatize profits publicize losses

[alpine patio]

praying for microsoft to miss their expected earnings

[sudden imp]

“We clearly aren’t paying the CEO enough quick give him more money to save the company”

[umbral heron]

CEOs of the most public tech companies could be replaced by AI and would be even more successful

[sudden imp]

Can’t wait till we replace society with AI and it somehow ends up being more successful

The joke will be on us

[alpine patio]

[sudden imp]

Awe Krishna

[umbral heron]

Oh, pardon moi, CEOs of the most public tech companies could replaced by language models and be more successful

[sudden imp]

Hey cal do you think steam os could be a viable gaming OS for pcs in a future?

Like certain gaming laptops may come shipped with it

[umbral heron]

Iunno, in the current form I'd expect it more on a handhelds and PC boxes
They'd have to make some changes, like booting to desktop mode by default, but I guess it could work

[sudden imp]

That sounds promising atleast

[umbral heron]

Valve does a lot of ground work now
They're already working on Wayland governance redefinitions and their own frog-protocols
They already pretty much solved HDR problem, and KDE is more than happy to work with them
May not look like it, but Valve did an enormous amount of work for desktop Linux in the past several years

[sudden imp]

wow

[crimson wigeon]

Funny that Valve does that

And yet the Steam client is still horrendous

[wheat plume]

Yeh it truly is.....

[sudden imp]

yeah…

[marsh pewter]

different teams I’d imagine

[umbral heron]

Eh
Works better than any other client
And there's tons of legacy code in there too, like .vdfs can be both binary-code and json files...

[wheat plume]

Valve can't make good looking software but they can make it functional af

SteamOS looks good though on gaming mode
And the new big picture mode that came along after the Deck

[frozen ingot]

at least it works for most part and doesn't get in the way

[sudden imp]

I do feel steam getting laggy though on my pc I got a 10th gen i5

[analog sinew]

steam client could use a rework but i think its coming with the steam deck stuff maybe?

[jagged light]

can anyone help me pick out a new kbm

[alpine patio]

#🔌│tech message

[jagged light]

why no final and glorious

also should i get razer or wooting keyboard

60 percent only

65 at the max

[quaint dew]

i feel like this is an oversimplification
and if ur taking budget into account then razer def aint good

[alpine patio]

imo wooting

just maybe

[quaint dew]

wooting shits on razer

[jagged light]

so 60he okay

[quaint dew]

both bad qc
glorious also bad build in general and latency

[alpine patio]

glorious is just bad

[jagged light]

i was thinking gpro super light but what do y’all think

[quaint dew]

no

[jagged light]

what is QC

[quaint dew]

quality control

[jagged light]

i have a viper mini but i has it for 2 years now

[quaint dew]

do this

gpx shape is not good

vv3p better

[alpine patio]

as for finalmouse, they are iffy but its not the worst

[jagged light]

too pricy to be considered iffy

[quaint dew]

if ur on a tight budget then just get a vxe r1 pro

[steady sail]

Just bc its expensive its not gonna be good

[jagged light]

18 and 9.5

the viper mini worked for me though

[jagged light]

it’s kinda like a wishlist for my bday

so don’t really have a budget rn

[quaint dew]

what grip

you could claw the viper mini prolly

for palm i'd look at an xlite v3 size 2

[jagged light]

palm

[jagged light]

why

[quaint dew]

gpx shape is not good

[quaint dew]

then get an xlite v3 size 2
or a lamzu thorn might work?

[alpine patio]

i have it and i dont mind it

but it is a bar of soap

[quaint dew]

its very safe

like it doesnt excel at any grip

which for this budget i find not ok

vs a cheaper mouse like the vxe r1 pro where you can get a sense of what you want

[jagged light]

i don’t really have a budget that’s what i’m saying

[quaint dew]

still xlite

[jagged light]

are you saying it’s slippery or small

[alpine patio]

he means the cost of the gpx

slippery

[jagged light]

is the xliete wireless

[quaint dew]

yes

[jagged light]

idk i just like the gpro super light look

[rough osprey]

its best mouse

[jagged light]

gpro or xliete

[quaint dew]

buying mouse for looks instead of shape

[quaint dew]

how?

[rough osprey]

gpro

[quaint dew]

bruh

[rough osprey]

best shape

[alpine patio]

me unironically

[quaint dew]

excuse me😭

bro atp get a vv3p

[frozen ingot]

I like my gpw

[rough osprey]

worse

[quaint dew]

how lmfao

[frozen ingot]

using the og 7 button one tho

[rough osprey]

has weird curved sides

not as comfortable

[quaint dew]

for you

[rough osprey]

cant recommend

[quaint dew]

saying gpx is the best mouse is crazy

[jagged light]

so wooting 60he and gpx?

[rough osprey]

maybe its not the best mouse for you

[quaint dew]

dont get a gpx bruh
and if possible a custom 60he is wayy better than stock

[jagged light]

but it’s gonna cost way more

[quaint dew]

you are a palm gripper the gpx makes no sense for you

[jagged light]

60he already pretty expensive

[quaint dew]

xlite is a better fit
vv3p is a better fit

[jagged light]

is gpx and RVM close to the same size

[rough osprey]

just get the stock one

[quaint dew]

use eloshapes

[rough osprey]

you can upgrade stuff later

performance not gonna change

[jagged light]

ill change the keycaps

[steady sail]

There is no point of getting a custom 60he when a stock is a good starting point

[jagged light]

later on

[frozen ingot]

been using my 60he stock for 2 years now

good board

[quaint dew]

when you can do the module and get way better case and switches if you have the budget for it i dont see why not
guy said he has no budget

[primal musk]

There is no point of getting g apex pro when wooting is a thing

[quaint dew]

yes

[rough osprey]

way better case idk

[quaint dew]

apex pro is ewaste

[jagged light]

super light 1 or 2 x version

[primal musk]

Apex pro is 💩

[quaint dew]

neither
omg

[rough osprey]

are u just gaming

[quaint dew]

you are a palm gripper

[jagged light]

yeah

[primal musk]

There is no point in getting super light when there is razer viper v3 pro and op1 8k

[quaint dew]

get an xlite or a vv3p if you want ambi for some reason😭

[rough osprey]

then bro wont need some fancy custom case

[jagged light]

@rough osprey thoughts

[steady sail]

Dude he gonna buy one and just gonna regret it just leave him, and he is gonna learn a lesson

[quaint dew]

ofc but it will sound/feel better

[rough osprey]

i disapprove

just try some out ig

[quaint dew]

bruh you already know what hes gonna say

[rough osprey]

that aint gonna matter

[quaint dew]

if you know you palm grip
there is zero reason to get a gpx

the gpx shape is too safe

[primal musk]

You know is super light is 💩

[steady sail]

Not everyone is a keyboard snob

[rough osprey]

get g502

[primal musk]

I hope you get banned

[jagged light]

well the razer viper mini is smaller then the gpx

and the rvm wasn’t a issue to me

[quaint dew]

did you palm that properly?

[jagged light]

i’ll have the check when i get home from school

[primal musk]

I hope you get brain freez

[quaint dew]

fingers didnt extend past the edge?

[rough osprey]

u sure u palm gripping a rvm?

[jagged light]

but i believe i palmed it

[quaint dew]

i thought i palmed my dav3 pro for 2 months

(i didnt)

[jagged light]

my hands didn’t hurt using the rvm

i just want something new

[steady sail]

Like do i care about keyboard sound NO, did I customized my wooting yes

[jagged light]

pretty nice keycaps

all i see myself doing is changing the keycaps tbh

[frozen ingot]

kb customizing is a pure luxury/vanity expense, if you have a limited budget just keep it stock and put that money on improving your setup elsewhere

[jagged light]

how much better is the gpx super light 2 compared to the 1

[jagged light]

it’s kinda a wishlist

but like i’m being semi realistic

i don’t wanna go above 450 i

[steady sail]

If u want a gpx just go for it tho I recommend go to a store just to touch and feel it first

[jagged light]

should i get the 1 or 2 though

[steady sail]

Both of them are meh for me soo idk

[jagged light]

wow

[quaint dew]

neither oml

[steady sail]

I tried feeling the gpx and its just ass xd

[quaint dew]

the gpx is severly overhyped

[rough osprey]

2 better

[jagged light]

is it better then the razer viper mini

[quaint dew]

og viper mini?

[primal musk]

Ya I rather take a cold shower than use gpx

[rough osprey]

no wire so yes

[steady sail]

But yeah 2 is better bc somewhat upgraded stuff inside

[quaint dew]

and type c

[quaint dew]

yk what else is better than a viper mini
vv3p

[primal musk]

I rather say no to mia khalifa than use gpx

[rough osprey]

zaunkönig m3k too

[jagged light]

i bought it in 2021 so idk

[jagged light]

what is that

[quaint dew]

viper v3 pro

[jagged light]

is it wireless

[quaint dew]

yes.

[steady sail]

Tho that’s expensive as fuck for no reason imo

[quaint dew]

i am not recommending wired mice to you because you keep asking is it wireless.

[rough osprey]

just go into big store

they should have both

[steady sail]

Yeah just go to a store and try them out first

[quaint dew]

the viper has (in mine and most enthusiasts' opinion) a better shape and objectively better internals

[steady sail]

Not everyone wants the best thing

[jagged light]

how much we talking

[primal musk]

I rather go to Best Buy than use gpx

[rough osprey]

superlight has more dpi

[steady sail]

180$ or idk

[rough osprey]

ez win

[quaint dew]

💀

[jagged light]

wowzera

[primal musk]

Are you geeked

[jagged light]

i use 800 dpi

[primal musk]

Like you must be on that perc

[quaint dew]

1600 with half sens is better

[jagged light]

how

[primal musk]

I use nothing above 1600 dpi I use 400 rn

[quaint dew]

more saturated polling rate, smoother

this is a well proven thing

[stoic jetty]

how is higher max dpi a pro? 😂

[primal musk]

I use 1 k polling rate on my razer viper v3 pro

[stoic jetty]

pls

Switch to at least 1600dpi

[quaint dew]

increasing dpi and proportionately decreasing ingame sens gives you more sensor readings and smoother motion

[jagged light]

i’ll think

[primal musk]

I play siege

[alpine patio]

me on 7000dpi

[primal musk]

For me low dpi is better for tracking

[rough osprey]

viper has better feeling switches tho

[quaint dew]

i broke a bunch of aimlabs pb jumping from 800 to 1600dpi

[alpine patio]

and only 2khz polling anyways

[rough osprey]

only thing i can give it

[jagged light]

@quaint dew you got anything around gpx cost other one kinda pricy

[jagged light]

but on my browser i’m used to 800

[quaint dew]

vxe mad r major exists

[quaint dew]

decrease windows mouse speed

[rough osprey]

change windows sens

[jagged light]

mmm

[primal musk]

Ya bro I use 99999 polling rate and 32k dpi am I chilling

[stoic jetty]

objectively wrong

[quaint dew]

use a higher dpi and then lower sens

its the same speed

[stoic jetty]

Change windows sens

[quaint dew]

its just smoother

[rough osprey]

below 44000dpi is trolling

[quaint dew]

we arent saying increase your edpi

[primal musk]

Do you play siege?

[quaint dew]

no

[jagged light]

do you actually think i’m selling if i buy the gpx

[quaint dew]

yes for palm

the xlite v3 is a better option

size 1/2

[jagged light]

what grip do people use on the rvm

[primal musk]

I use 8/8 400dpi on siege

[stoic jetty]

https://boringboredom.github.io/tools/winsenscalculator

[jagged light]

i’m not at home rn

[quaint dew]

claw

[jagged light]

so ig i used claw

and i was fine with claw never hurt my hand

[quaint dew]

so then viper v3 pro
vxe mad r major

[primal musk]

I wish someone played r6 (siege)

[jagged light]

gprox is better then vxe

[quaint dew]

ill def buy siege when i build my pc

[jagged light]

but v3 kinda expensive

[quaint dew]

vxe is also cheaper

[jagged light]

but i’m set getting the 60he right

[quaint dew]

unless you care more about feel/sound and are willing to build yourself then yes

[jagged light]

ok so stock 60he

[quaint dew]

sure

i def wouldnt but im a snob

[jagged light]

gprox super light

[rough osprey]

try in da store

[jagged light]

well i plan to buy this in like a month

so @quaint dew what are all the mouses you recommended

i’ll put it on a list

[quaint dew]

viper v3 pro, xlite v3 size 2, vxe mad r major

[primal musk]

Or beast x

[jagged light]

tbh gprox super light is what i’m gonna most likely go for

but the v3 is still good

if it didn’t cost like 80 more

[primal musk]

Get the op1 8k better than most mice and $84

[rough osprey]

lol

[quaint dew]

its way better but aight

[quaint dew]

they want wireless

[quaint dew]

why not xlite

[primal musk]

Shiii mb

[stoic jetty]

xm2w 4k

[primal musk]

Get lamzu Atlantis

[jagged light]

your saying i use claw

so xliete isn’t the move

[quaint dew]

u can still claw xlite

[rough osprey]

very existent

[quaint dew]

i ergo claw

[primal musk]

Lamzu

[jagged light]

same for gpro

@quaint dew can you help me in like 6hrs

[stoic jetty]

Drops in 5 days

[jagged light]

i’ll see my grip then