🔌│tech

[hasty thunder]

they are 90% of the time black

[harsh flume]

yeah i was thinking 4070 ti super upgrade sometime summer next year if i feel like i need to

[harsh flume]

okay ill look into that u suggest design north and torrent?

[hasty thunder]

Fractal Design North/Torrent

[umbral heron]

[harsh flume]

i do editing i need lots of ram

hmm okay so u suggest downgrade the cpu and invest in 4080?

[umbral heron]

Exactly

[harsh flume]

thank you guys i am still using this old ass pc and i am new to pc parts and stuff

u still think i should get 4080 if I plan to buy 5080 next year?

okay if i buy 4080 prob will just stick with it until atleast 6080 etc i appreciate you bro means a lot

[umbral heron]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cxFpdH

[harsh flume]

damn bro wtf you guys are insane

i just opend up that site to do that and i had 0 clue i could save roughly 400 bucks with a 4080 wtf

[vapid ruin]

waow

[harsh flume]

@umbral heron i appreciate you so much bro means a ton

[vapid ruin]

according to rumor at least, it wont be much of a bigger jump. 6080 could do nicely though

[harsh flume]

okay perfect with that info def will stick with 4080 should be more than enough for me

also @umbral heron is the thermalright cpu aircooler good/better than what i had already picked out on my list?

[vapid ruin]

4070 is already feels insane for me when it comes to general gaming. Much like how I thought 1080ti is still enough.

[umbral heron]

I added 2x24GB there, I think it'll be enough for gaming+editing, but feel free to swap to 2x32 if you feel like you'll need it
And swapped HDD to Ironwolf, Barracudas are SMR, so quite a bit slower

[umbral heron]

Peerless Assassin is actually absolute king when it comes to price/quality
And can handle all Ryzens with no problem

[harsh flume]

damn bro you just helped me a ton man like actually this is why i came to type in this chat is cuz some of yall know ur shit thank you again

[harsh flume]

ahh okay i see thank you for the tip

[reef patrol]

Welcome to the community. 😄

[harsh flume]

appreciate you

[wild coyote]

Can confirm

For me, idle gets 30-41c and on gaming, I'll get probably around 60-80c

Good quality with a W price point

[north tide]

The worst case for a 7950x3d is that it's a 7800x3d with ~4% higher performance, which is like a 14900ks rather than a 13900k. But ya it costs more moneys.

[analog sinew]

same

but the gpus im afraid of

[north tide]

everyone is afraid of rtx $5000

[analog sinew]

yea

what do you have?

[north tide]

gotta wait for the ai bubble to pop 😄

Nvidia's CEO is personally currently worth more than Intel, let alone AMD which is a fraction of the size

[rough patrol]

I have a 2070 and a 7800x3d so i think i‘ll upgrade gpu next

[north tide]

depends what you are doing

the top MMO, RTS, 4x games will be cpu bound with a 7800x3d and 2070

[rough patrol]

Works fine for poe since that game is super cpu heavy

[solar ibex]

Does somoene here coding?

[rough patrol]

I had a 9600k but i had a lot of performance issues so i upgraded cpu and ram and now everything runs smooth

[steady sail]

overall im happy with the 6700xt but yeah i want an upgrade as well

[rough patrol]

I was so ready to go for 80 tier next gpu upgrade when i bought my 2070

But then prices shot up for the 80s

Dont think i‘ll be doing that

[steady sail]

i could snipe a 3090

[rough patrol]

Trade in?

[umbral heron]

I'm not upgrading for the next... at least 6 months

[steady sail]

3090 Founders Edition for 622 euro..... maaaaaaan

[rough patrol]

30 series was so exciting when it came out then all the leeches started scalping and manufacturers & nvidia followed suit

[steady sail]

im just gonna wait for a good deal on a dual fan card

[wild coyote]

I wanna go to a amusement park so badly, but costly 😭

[umbral heron]

I wanna go home

[rough patrol]

Go with friends

Very fun

[wild coyote]

It's still costly tho

Money that I don't have

[rough patrol]

Make up a reason for them inviting you

Birthday or something idk

[old marlin]

my brothers 3090 started flickering recently

gl to him ig

[wild coyote]

As if I'd lie or sum to my friends

They already know

[rough patrol]

Break your arm

[wild coyote]

No thanks, I'd want my arm to be available

[craggy panther]

WOOT WOOT

[old marlin]

first of, bad time of the year (at least here)

but also I am too tall for some of the rides

[rough patrol]

Guess youll have to save up money for a bit

[wild coyote]

Not for me

[steady sail]

i could get a ASRock RX 7900 GRE Challenger card

[old marlin]

can't go on this thing for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mamba_(roller_coaster)

[rough patrol]

Black mamba sucks ass anyway

[old marlin]

I wouldn't know

[rough patrol]

Colorado >>>>> black mamba

[old marlin]

oh yea the colorado is good

[rough patrol]

Now you know

[old marlin]

but the line on it is always stupid long

[rough patrol]

Never had that issue

[old marlin]

I stood at it for over 30 minutes

[rough patrol]

Wth

[wild coyote]

I don't know any of these due to I'm in finland

[rough patrol]

Its like 15 minutes when i go usually at most

[old marlin]

oh yea doesn't finland only have like one theme park

[wild coyote]

Ehh

[old marlin]

ah nvm misremembered

[wild coyote]

The only thing I know in this city is Linnanmäki

Don't @ me, but it's a really fun park

[old marlin]

prob is

have been to a handful, the phantasialand overall is just really nice imo + closeby to me

[wild coyote]

Their new light carnival event is 20 euros per person

[rough patrol]

pronin lives close to me confirmed

[old marlin]

"closeby", I live in hessia

close enough to drive over, have some fun and drive back in a day

[rough patrol]

Ah

[compact relic]

There's a bunch actually

[old marlin]

yea I misremembered, there was some EU country with only 1 but I frogot which

[rough patrol]

Denmark only has one: lego

(This is a lie)

[umbral heron]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-10-06/when-will-apple-intelligence-be-released-when-is-apple-releasing-m4-macs-ipad-m1xksx7q

[marsh glade]

https://tenor.com/view/team-america-intelligence-gif-19931514

[alpine patio]

o7 chrome, its time to transition to brave

[vagrant pagoda]

Can apple ai fix the screen on the iMac?

XD

[reef patrol]

[halcyon moss]

Why not firefox? 😉

[plucky tapir]

Some ok filing if I say so myself, had to remove 1.5-2mm so I could move the radiator as far back as possible.

This PC is going to kill me, why did I get a distro plate :/

[old marlin]

and brave isn't by that metric?

[umbral heron]

Uh...
https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/mozilla-stands-by-its-controversial-privacy-feature-but-ready-to-clear-up-confusion
https://hackread.com/mozilla-gdpr-complaint-firefox-tracking-feature/
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2474353/popular-ad-blocker-removed-from-firefox-extension-store.html
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/anonym-technology-overview/

[final flame]

to me, it doesn't appear they did it intentionally
just a bunch of miscommunication and mistakes

marketing has never been their strong suit

[umbral heron]

Then PPA should be opt-in, not opt-out

[old marlin]

they did go into advertising recently

which is a BAD sign imo

[final flame]

they claim to be doing advertising, while retaining privacy

which is completely different

[old marlin]

don't get me wrong, I switched (back) to firefox recently

[final flame]

not to mention they also acquired a company that should help them achieve that goal

I use librewolf, so eh
everything is nice and configured for me

[wild coyote]

I just use Vivaldi now

I do like Vivaldi UI

[old marlin]

yea I can't forgive brave the sus stuff they did

[analog sinew]

what did they do?

[old marlin]

they also hijacked their "donation" system with people/projects they didn't like

https://www.spacebar.news/stop-using-brave-browser/

[reef patrol]

Stop using Brave
Mozilla stuff being mentioned

[old marlin]

the mozilla stuff that was mentioned was because the guy that founded brave was previously mozillas CEO for 11 days

[marsh glade]

Nah I'll keep using it thanks

Don't care about the crypto stuff, and the founder being a bigoted is pretty much par for the course with tech bros

[frozen ingot]

tech bros be like either trans, furries or bigots

there's not much middle ground it would seem

[sudden imp]

Or oligarchs

Tech stuff used to be nerdy till tech bros came in

Once people saw the profit in technology it no longer became a novelty of advancement but a money machine

I find it insane that Nvidias CEO is worth MORE than intels market cap

No person should be worth that much. Let alone be valued cash wise?

[final flame]

https://tenor.com/view/why-dont-we-just-do-them-all-george-mason-georgemasontv-why-dont-we-do-everything-why-dont-we-accomplish-everything-gif-18620931

[compact relic]

btw what's the hate with asus armoury crate?

[wild coyote]

On laptops, it's dog shit

Like, really dog shit

[compact relic]

been trying it out since i have mainly asus hardware and wanted to see for myself is it actually that bad but so far i havent had any issues

[old marlin]

almost impossible to uninstall, comes with a dozen background services

[compact relic]

people say it's bloat but it uses pretty much zero resources while playing

yeah there's like 6 background processess but their memory/cpu usage is nonexistent, been eyeing them while playing

[compact relic]

does it leave stuff on your pc even after uninstalling?

i have asus mobo and it installed armory crate with first boot but i just clicked uninstall and it was gone

installed it back to see what the fuss was about

[old marlin]

even worse, it likes to just come back

[compact relic]

I mean it's not a necessary program to have but it's not THAT bad

it's just gunk

[crimson wigeon]

And the UEFI setup in the motherboard should have an option to turn off installing that shit

[ashen spindle]

its gunk you cant really get rid of and it does still drain resources, even if it doesnt cut your fps by 50% if it just gives you random spikes randomly thats shit that should never happen

just a single hitch in one game can be annoying when it could just not be a thing

[wild coyote]

The biggest downside on having asus laptops

Armoury crate being limited to Windows only

Can't change on Linux, unless I get the right github repo for my tuf gaming

No, it's the GPU

It automatically gets enabled, with or without being plugged in, which drains battery

[compact relic]

i tried openrgb but couldnt get it to work properly so i gave up with it

[wild coyote]

Which makes it worse on Linux

like I want to have linux on my laptop, but Asus makes it so difficult

Yet Asus software can't have linux support

I'd have to rely on github for it

Tryna find it for Nobara

[lapis cradle]

is it broken

least its hard to guess the password

[marsh glade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O13Sp00Ltlw
16 minutes until the European Space Agency's planetary defense test mission, HERA.
HERA along with a swarm of cubesats will attempt to land on an asteroid the size of the Pyramid of Giza

[reef patrol]

Football fields, pyramids.

Can no one use sensible means of measurement!

[marsh glade]

Anything to avoid a unit of measurement

Nvidia measures in Elephants

[reef patrol]

The asteroid is roughly 3½ leaning towers of piza

[marsh glade]

Not sure if they're African Elephans or Asian...

[sudden imp]

May be closer related to the size of 13 red pandas

[balmy vector]

Pick your poison

[marsh glade]

Iocane please

[balmy vector]

https://tenor.com/view/tnnd-the-noise-next-door-coming-right-up-here-you-are-here-soon-gif-10148469892763310354

[analog sinew]

pyramids = aliens confirmed???

[unkempt lake]

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/sued-switch-modchip-seller-denies-claims-will-seemingly-take-on-nintendo-without-a-lawyer/

[analog sinew]

bold strategy

[fair gull]

@ashen spindle btw 24seconds boot time from power press to desktop.

[marsh pewter]

why spend money on a lawyer when you're just gonna lose anyways

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[unkempt lake]

Faster than mine, i'm at 27 seconds

If i stopwatch

Mine used to take 40ish seconds before the latest bios

[fair gull]

not with mem training. its from kernel init

[unkempt lake]

Only counts after memory training

Memory training is what slows boot times on am5

[fair gull]

even for dd4 it doesnt include bios time

just kernel init time

[rough osprey]

with or without memory context restore

[fair gull]

with

[unkempt lake]

With for me

[fair gull]

i dont think without can be this fast

[unkempt lake]

Msi boot times big slow

Still like my msi board

Running 2x16

@latent mural

[rough osprey]

the new bios is kinda buggy for me

32s without restore and power down

kinda long

[steady sail]

I never even saw a single 8gb stick on ddr5

[unkempt lake]

What mobo

[fair gull]

right bios

i wanna update

but i dont wanna reconfigure the bios

[rough osprey]

asrock B650E PG-ITX

[reef patrol]

They sell 16GB kits?

[unkempt lake]

Asrock's the best boottime wise

[reef patrol]

[unkempt lake]

@rough osprey

[unkempt lake]

32s is fine

[solemn remnant]

take an export of the config and save it on your drive, then import after upgrading and get the message "unable to import because fuck you"

[fair gull]

i didnt even know you can export them nowadays

[rough osprey]

mine doesnt even register usb sticks

luckily it can load updates from the ssd tho

[ashen spindle]

@fair gull you have unifi gear, do you know if these ports light up if the ethernet cables are in and working or is it just the status LED in the front?

[fair gull]

those dont light up iirc

[ashen spindle]

so I dont know if that is the failure point in this chain urghh

[fair gull]

whats not working

[ashen spindle]

prxomox and co is in the server in the basement and gets ethernet via a cable that stops at the AP first

so its router->cable->AP->cable->switch-> STUFF

[astral haven]

is the ap working in general besides the passthrough?

[ashen spindle]

yup

[astral haven]

can you remote into it?

[ashen spindle]

wifi works and its the only wifi sender

can check if the app shows anything

[astral haven]

pretty sure you can set the vlan that the port goes on

[ashen spindle]

no clue never did anything but set it up via the app they use

okay so the app doesnt find the AP but it also had an update so idk if that broke it lol

well guess I can be annoyed at that after raids, AP failing does seem more likely than a cable though

[vivid reef]

is that even accurate? cause my asus came with memory context restore off

[unkempt lake]

Did you update your bios?

Launch bioses had it off

[vivid reef]

yes, had to enable it

[ashen spindle]

yes and no its from a time where not all boards had the updated AGESA

[unkempt lake]

Strange

[vivid reef]

b650e - f

[ashen spindle]

how many sticks and what speed

[vivid reef]

6000 mhz 2 sticks

[fickle ore]

jesus why care about boot time

[rough osprey]

more time for gaming

[reef patrol]

Because 30 seconds of POST is a bit much.

[fickle ore]

not even when ure supposed to go brew coffee when waiting for boot

[vivid reef]

yeah prior to enabling memory context restore it was 49 seconds or so

[solemn remnant]

memory context restore and gear down mode are alright to keep on if you don't mess with your timings and just use expo, if you wanna oc your memory then disabling those would probably be the better option with the cost of like 20 seconds of extra boot time

[vivid reef]

yea i just use expo preset, memory oc is too tedious for me

[balmy vector]

L45v2s in my 60 module now

[solemn remnant]

you gotta disable or enable both though, in my experience it craps out at some point

[vivid reef]

yep, i had memory content restore enabled only before and got blue screened

asus will automatically enable both tho when enabling one

[fickle ore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymoiWv9BF7Q&t=4s

LunarLake pogging

[gusty kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y36LMS5y34A

https://tenor.com/view/hail-king-elmo-elmo-sesame-street-burn-gif-16536447

[reef patrol]

18minutes ago

Oh boy. I thought it was an old video for a second.

[crimson wigeon]

Ah shit here we go again

[analog sinew]

mmh, melted plastic.

[balmy vector]

Tasty

[gusty kiln]

Probably one of their most expensive video

[sudden imp]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-gta-sa-cj-gta-again-gif-20425950

[wild coyote]

btw I use arch on my laptop

[rough osprey]

Microsoft locks your account for 30days if u change a security detail??

[light thunder]

and is the Logitech g pro x sperlight 2 good in terms of quality taken and is it compatible with Xbox

[wild coyote]

Xbox has Mouse and Keyboard compatibility for quite sometime now

However, I would get Lamzu

[light thunder]

is is ec that she is goods term quality price she will tell me long or after

Please

[marsh pewter]

darn you arch linux users

always bragging about using an unstable linux distro

we get it you're a masochist

[wild coyote]

tbh I had some difficulty getting envycontrol stable on fedora

Arch just works flawlessly

Now I don't need to worry about battery as much

[marsh pewter]

im not sure how true this is, but my friend always says custom linux custom issues

[light thunder]

Please rep me

[marsh pewter]

hence why I dont even consider using arch

[wild coyote]

Uhh

That depends on what the fuck are you trying to download

[marsh pewter]

like I use UBUNTU and I still have issues sometimes

[wild coyote]

Nothing is perfect

I kinda know my way around on Arch or Debian more than any other distros for some odd reason

[marsh pewter]

fair

arch always seemed too much for me

[wild coyote]

Game is game

yes, I have 8 gb ram and I don't intend to upgrade on this laptop anytime soon

[marsh pewter]

like its extremely cool what you can do with it and how much you can do with it, but it never really interested me

I like linux and messing around with linux but im just not super interested in going that deep

[smoky frigate]

I have very little patience with buggy software and arch worx just fine for me, setting it up is a bit of an arse but then it runs gr8 for months or years

[marsh pewter]

fair enough

im assuming it depends on what you do with it tho

[smoky frigate]

possibly. sometimes I groan when I have to do shit like add myself to groups, and why the fuck can't you do it for me like every other distro ever

but you do the goat sacrifice and get a pretty good OS in the end. ubuntu would always end up unstable for me after a while, since it's not meant to fuck around with

[sudden imp]

The true Linux was the friends we made along the way

[marsh glade]

Bold to assume that of people using Linux

[marsh pewter]

I have plenty of friends!

granted they're in my head, but still!

[marsh glade]

Imaginary friends are friends too

[wild coyote]

I agree

You always see your imaginary friends everyday, it's so cool

[marsh pewter]

I do actually have friends... they all just hate it when I bring up linux.

[wild coyote]

I should start that too

[marsh pewter]

people dont like it when you suggest they use linux for some reason

they just dont understand perfection im afraid 😔

[solemn remnant]

do you eat meat?

[balmy vector]

People like staying to what they know works

[astral haven]

the problem is there are people who say this unironically

[marsh pewter]

im being serious! linux is perfect for everyone and has no flaws! it is so much better than windows (🤢)! I think everyone should switch to linux as its the best thing that has ever been invented in history ever!

[crimson wigeon]

Yes of course

[astral haven]

and the funny part of this is that this is a more believable portrayal of what you see online...

[marsh pewter]

*cough* lana *cough*

[astral haven]

lol no

[marsh pewter]

in all seriousness tho linux is not for everyone

unless you're clinically insane I wouldnt recommend it

[marsh pewter]

its not because you need to be insane to use linux, its because if you arent already insane before using linux you will be after

[astral haven]

ive actually been having a good time running a kubuntu vm that just runs 4 apps i always open

and because firefox web apps are busted, im doing the heresy of running chrome lel

[marsh pewter]

HOW COULD YOU

NOT EVEN UNGOOGLED CHROMIUM???

BRAVE???

for shame

[astral haven]

[marsh pewter]

sometimes I forget how old this server is

[leaden kiln]

imagine not stealing someone else's janky solution for making fake webapps with ff using profiles

[astral haven]

god ew

[smoky frigate]

based

[smoky frigate]

linux users tend to be peculiar

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Bcachefs-Fixes-Two-Choices

oh DOG I almost forgot, there is new kernel drama

[primal musk]

Does anyone else’s PC make a buzzing noise?

Because mine does it’s like a bzzzzzz

Idk if it’s normal

Should I cut that the zip tie?

[alpine patio]

what for?

[primal musk]

I don’t know. I’m just really stressed out because my PC is making a buzzing noise and it gets kinda hot.

Like I don’t know if that’s normal

[ashen spindle]

sounds normal

[balmy vector]

Probably is coil whine

[ashen spindle]

coil whine could be usually the gpu at high frame rates, otherwise some rattle from any fan or the psu can also do coil whine

[balmy vector]

If i had to guess

[late grove]

I now sold my 3080 but man, I am to this day grateful for it to have absolutely zero coilwhine until you reach like 600 FPS and even then it's very quiet.

[balmy vector]

Rma…

[late grove]

Whatever MSI did to that card, it worked.

[balmy vector]

Can say the same for my cards, 0 coil whine across them all

[late grove]

My roommate with a 3080ti gets coilwhine at around 130 FPS already. Brutal stuff.

[smoky frigate]

such a horrible sound

[ashen spindle]

oh btw @astral haven I guess it was the AP it just works again

[astral haven]

nice!

[ashen spindle]

maybe it had a reboot after years of continous use idk

took the time to update firmware form 4.x to 6.x lol

[astral haven]

our aps here at work brick themselves moving from one version to the next -_-

(not unifi)

[ashen spindle]

also man, just watched it, sad steve didnt even mention how they could just use EPS connectors instead

[gusty kiln]

kek

[unkempt lake]

It's all just luck

[sudden imp]

Oh god the gn video is a whole hour

[ashen spindle]

most of it is just a recap

2x speed ftw

[unkempt lake]

What's new

Can you do a TLDR

[ashen spindle]

connector is a mess, recap, conflicting specs, newer issues of adapters that got recalled earlier the year and its getting better but just keep making sure its fully plugged in and ideally dont use adapters

[iron wave]

And manufacturers can't get away with the same shortcuts they used with the larger molex connectors.

[harsh flume]

intel vs ryzen who to pick?

[ashen spindle]

depends

usecase, price, region, what you want etc.

[mild dome]

12VHP TL:DR is it's fucked mate
AMD was correct to avoid it for their last graphics card

[steady sail]

yeah but if rumors are true they are gonna swtich to it as well

[dreamy acorn]

Ill ask here as well, but does anyone have an ATK Blazing Sky X1 Ultra mouse? Highly contemplating getting one based off reviews, just want to know some more people's thoughts. Thanks!

[mild dome]

At that point hopefully Nvidia has fully beta tested it for them

[foggy viper]

I go tmy new wooting keyboard and it sometimes spazs out and spams a random key... how do i fix this..

[alpine patio]

try this first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8ojU_8ASVE&list=PLUwyc5IrGTnzysgtw3jEt9fy2-bENaybR&index=2&pp=iAQB

if it persist make a https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1019755933959733258

[sudden imp]

https://x.com/PulsarGears/status/1843134003895021685

Pulsar Gaming Gears (@PulsarGears) on X

Pulsar LAB - X2F

Carbon Metal Alloy Ftip Mouse

Made in Korea

Launch: 2025

Twitter · Oct 7, 2024, 3:39 AM

A x2h carbon fiber would be so gooood

Hate the niche grip type tho

Fingertip users getting heat this year though

Guess ftip isn’t really niche tho

[pale trellis]

yeah, absolute cluster fuck over the past 3 years with this shit, monkey see monkey do, hey that looks like a terrible idea our competition is doing, better not get "dragged behind" and do the same... much vision, such originality, all integrities

[sudden imp]

AMD is trying to gain market share they couldn’t afford to lose anything with the shitty connector lol

Nvidia couldn’t care as they have the resources to just throw shit till it sticks

I think AMD is trying to gain market share next gen instead of trying to compete which is good

More devs that adopt and optimize for the hardware the better they can make the cards

Glad they didn’t throw themselves into that terrible situation

[mild dome]

Yeah irc AMD said it was going to focus more on the "midrange" which was missed last generation due to the 8000 series architecture producing a lot of roadblocks

[sudden imp]

https://overclock3d.net/news/gpu-displays/amd-confirms-gpu-strategy-shift-with-radeon-market-share-is-now-their-priority/

This basically is there plan going forward

Developers seems to be the key block point from growing their market share

[astral haven]

if you aim for the top and miss, you hit mediocrity
if you aim for mediocrity and miss, what do you get...

[vapid ruin]

if they add like 8700xt with 32gb of vram, it'll prop speed up their AI enthusiast adoption.

We want vram!!!

[astral haven]

what models can run on 32gb but cant run on 16? (of the current models)

[vapid ruin]

assuming at fp5 and 16k context. mixtral 8x7b, Meta charmelion (30b multimodal), Jamba 51b.

all big text model, because i don't touch image model.

Plan here is to get 2 32gb card to be able to play 70b at q5/q6.

because at that point, you already close to chatgpt level of performance.

[astral haven]

oh hmm the smallest mixtral is 18gb so 24 yes 16 no interesting

[vapid ruin]

nooo, the smartness will be greatly degraded to the point of unusability.

[astral haven]

and im not seeing any good quantizations of chameleon, the official repo is over 64gb

[vapid ruin]

still not properly supported, arch too new

[astral haven]

so 32gb wouldnt help, still need multiple gpus

[astral haven]

nah they are searching for a use for 32gb of vram

what would be super awesome is if they made 24g versions for gamers and 96GB versions for folks who wanna ai
or 16 and 64

[north tide]

Haha more ammo for the people who still downvote me for mentioning that the connector sucks

Thanks Steve

[final flame]

nah, as soon as a gaming gpu releases with that much vram, those texture sizes are going to skyrocket

[astral haven]

consoles still lead on texture sizes

[final flame]

they're already bad at optimizing games, what are they gonna do if they get the chance to make them bigger

[astral haven]

the more serious route for chonk ai is apus, strix halo is gonna be a real awesome llm chip

[north tide]

Nvidia is limited by the memory chips available, AFAIK right now it is GDDR7 with 2GB chips so 24GB for a 384-bit bus on the high end of graphics cards

There was some rumor of 3GB GDDR7 next year so 36GB single-sided or 72GB dual-sided would be possible on 384-bit.

[north tide]

Do you know if there is any confirmation of InFO interconnect for strix halo? It seems everybody has been talking about it for ages, but i don't have hard data to point to it

I think it would require a new CCD and IOD

[astral haven]

thats quitter talk

[astral haven]

no clue, but i see no reason why things would have changed since current gen normal chips

[late grove]

More people are starting to realise that it's superior so it's slowly moving away from being niche.

[late grove]

Don't forget about HBM.

[astral haven]

hbm is never going to make it to a consumer product as long as ai is still around

[north tide]

Yeah that is just a cost issue. HBM is better than GDDR, but much more expensive to make and package with a GPU

they don't wanna hurt their margins to sell it, and don't wanna put the card as £1500 instead of £1000 either - and that's IF they have adequate HBM and packaging supply to not infringe on other products with greater margins

[astral haven]

nah, just that the package tech is limited capacity, and that capacity can be used to make ai gpus

missed a zero but yea

[north tide]

ye i added that, was still halfway through my thoughts 😄

[late grove]

Ye know I did always wonder. If AMD managed to use HBM on a 400$ GPU back in 2017, why are both AMD and Nvidia doing everything in their power to gut the memory capacity and bandwidth to the absolute lowest amount possible.

[north tide]

AMD lost a ton of money on that thing

[late grove]

Vega? No. They lost on Radeon 7.

[north tide]

On both

[astral haven]

radeon 7 all the hbm failed

[late grove]

Vega wasn't a homerun by any means but I don't remember them outright losing money on Vega.

[north tide]

They did it because they wanted to compete head to head with nvidia at the top, and their architecture was too far behind to do it otherwise

the nvidia cards that they competed against were printing money

[astral haven]

it was just fiji and v2 where they burned money

[late grove]

And with cards being as expensive as they are now, I see no reason for them to not use HBM even for lower end stuff.

How expensive can older HBM be anyway?

[north tide]

You need an interposer to get the connection width to the GPU, and those are large / expensive / difficult to work with. A normal GDDR chip is 32 bits wide over the PCB, but Radeon 7's HBM was 4096 bits wide.

[astral haven]

pretty much same price as new stuff since all the cost is bidding for the fab capacity against ai chips

[vapid ruin]

Too slow

[astral haven]

what i wanna see is hbm directly on compute, but that can really only work in super low power

[late grove]

RTX 4060 compared to Vega 64

[astral haven]

it was 4096 with 70% yields lel

[north tide]

is better if you put it next

[astral haven]

yea but its a hellovalot cheaper to put it on top

[north tide]

Yeah i dunno, no interposer but vcache style packaging

[astral haven]

yee
it would waste alot more space since the tsvs or whatever would be so much bigger but no interposer is biiiig

[north tide]

I think part of the issue there is that they need to include all of the power and data TSV's for the memory above, and you probably need a ton of those for HBM.

yeah

[astral haven]

and since it would be on the iodie not the cores thats a bonus

3dcache with hbm iodie 🤤

[north tide]

AMD's latency to IOD is pretty awful

[astral haven]

threadripper with hbm iodie 🤤 💸

[north tide]

and latency is the biggest issue, rather than BW, although BW helps

HBM has worse latency than DDR too

[astral haven]

im thinking halo

[north tide]

yeah, if it has InFO and that helps latency (we don't really know either for sure, but it should)

[astral haven]

im actually not sure this is true any more, fugaku was lightning fast

[north tide]

i was thinking that AMD might do a new IOD for zen6 with InFO, and use that for both strix halo and 2ccd vcache on zen5 meanwhile

[astral haven]

wut

so vcache requires zero substrate change

and heck im not sure amd isnt using some version of info for their cpus

[north tide]

they're not so far

but they used it on RDNA3, which priced lower with more silicon than Raphael (zen4 CCD/IOD chips)

The case for Strix Halo using InFO is probably power and performance.

For desktop 2CCD vcache, it would be latency reduction leading to performance. It may be viable with InFO to combine L3 caches between chips, or at least use the other one as a virtual L4 that performs well. And of course not lose a ton of performance when crossing CCD barriers, at least not as much as often.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex_gPeWVAo0#

[astral haven]

info is oooooold

[north tide]

They don't use it right now though

They use IFOP (infinity fabric on package) - just directly routing through the substrate, no fanout

[astral haven]

yea i just dont see what they will get from it

halo is huge and hot so itll need dram off to the side anyways

[north tide]

The InFO interconnect used in RDNA3 achieves i think it was 5x the bandwidth at half of the power (10x bit per energy) of the IFOP used for Ryzen CPU's

[astral haven]

and dragon range is just boring same old fiberglass

yea but that was the silicon bs similar to foveros no?

[north tide]

It was organic InFO / RDL

https://youtu.be/ex_gPeWVAo0?t=562

it's a lot cheaper than silicon interposers, but still that much faster and lower power.

[astral haven]

ah for the mcds right

[north tide]

Yeah

[astral haven]

yea it could make sense on halo, but what would make more sense is not reinventing the wheel for a first gen product

[north tide]

It's almost certainly coming soon, like on Zen6. Some thought Zen5, but it didn't happen on original launch. Intel has even more expensive interconnects - Meteor Lake and the soon to launch Arrow Lake use full silicon interposers.

[astral haven]

sure but dragon range already exists

[north tide]

Yes but using IFOP. It has shit bandwidth, latency and idle power.

[astral haven]

if halo was just dragon range with chonk iodie it would still make sense for a solid amount of laptops

[north tide]

InFO_RDL has almost 10x the bandwidth-per-watt, much lower idle power and lower latency

so swapping to that can blow dragon range away

and i can totally see it being a pathfinder on strix halo and maybe 2ccd vcache CPU's (it affects gaming performance the most) for a general release on Zen 6

[astral haven]

yea but ~5-7 watts down to 3-5 isnt that crazy for a modern gaming laptop

the monoliths cant even do that lel

[north tide]

and like 1w instead of 10w under load

on the interconnect

[astral haven]

dragon range total chip power is 5-7 watts

for idle

[north tide]

Maybe it is on full idle, not using any core

[astral haven]

windows idle 🤣

[north tide]

but it has massive issues with slightly under load power

where stuff can't sit in "completely powered off" state

that InFO won't have

[astral haven]

its not great but its still competent, 17w video playback including screen is super fine

[north tide]

It can be way better

[astral haven]

and if you can yeet the dgpu, it will be

[north tide]

Strix Halo is also supposed to have a 256b memory bus, i am still wondering how they are going to connect that. The Zen4/5 IOD that we're using now simply does not have the PHY's for it. If it's IOD based, they would need a new one.

[astral haven]

thats a full on laptop with a dgpu, not apu alone since for some reason noone wanted to make a laptop with a 16 core cpu and a 3 core igpu lmao

[astral haven]

ofc, itll be the zen 4/5 iodie rearranged with a ton of gpu and the perimeter will have more mem controllers

[pale trellis]

O-RAM > DRAM

[north tide]

And zen4/5 have big issues with moving bandwidth from the PHY's and memory controller to the actual cores. They are limited to 64GB/s read and 32GB/s write.

They probably don't bother because IFOP is so limited, but InFO isn't.

DDR5-8000 (which is daily stable) can do up to 128GB/s of either, so it's a 50-75% bottleneck.

And by the time Zen6 comes, DDR5-10000+ is going to be reality (especially via CUDIMMs)

[astral haven]

meh, itll be fine for the gpu

anyways speaking of crazy chip bs did you see the die shots of the vision pro r1 chip?

[north tide]

I did not 😄

[pale trellis]

https://opg.optica.org/oe/fulltext.cfm?uri=oe-18-12-12362&id=199767

[astral haven]

11 silicon sections, guess what the majority of them are

[umbral heron]

DDR6

[north tide]

dunno 😄

[astral haven]

absolutely fkn nothing lmao

https://youtu.be/URQJ7yf0aEc?t=108

[north tide]

[astral haven]

8 dummy dies

[analog sinew]

dafuq

[umbral heron]

Anime girl doing chip analysis in Chinese, truly peak content

[astral haven]

yea, if you gaze too hard into the silicon, the silicon will gaze back into you

[north tide]

can confirm

[ashen spindle]

Yup that’s the idea, the io die on N3 should also be not quite the same design so it’s a half step towards Medusa

At least in the sense that it should use different packaging, don’t remember which variant it was

Ok yeah should be the same RDL as navi31 and co

In other news, looks like core ultra 2% is -2%

https://x.com/hjc4869/status/1843556384119701739

David Huang (@hjc4869) on X

@kaku_kasumi It requires APO to even match 9950X overall and that's 1st party cherry-picked benchmark numbers, so probably nothing's gonna save it against 7800X3D or 13900K/14900K.

Twitter · Oct 8, 2024, 7:37 AM

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-ultra-200-arrow-lake-s-to-offer-9-ipc-gain-on-p-cores-and-32-on-e-cores

[old marlin]

doubt it will blow up at least

also zen5 is VERY strong in some compute tasks

[ashen spindle]

Well yeah but if you limit 14th gen it also doesn’t blow up, could’ve saved making a new gen (I’m being facetious)

[old marlin]

yea but then the 14th gen would have been slower

so within safe limits this prob is a decent upgrade

it's just that they overspecced their old parts?

[ashen spindle]

The save limits basically match this

[old marlin]

welp

rip then ig

[ashen spindle]

Since the+4% is in first party benches with APO

It’s a lot more efficient at least

Shame it’s on a new dead end platform

[old marlin]

kinda

[north tide]

Four entirely different problems causing them to request unsafe voltages.. pretty yikes. That can't have happened without a ridiculously unsafe software environment, and i have not seen anything to improve my confidence in Intel's software, testing and QA since they made those fatal mistakes.

[umbral heron]

Can't wait

[ashen spindle]

Nah power consumption is way down

At least

[north tide]

9% IPC is too low for them to be good since the clock is dropping from 6.2ghz to 5.7ghz at max TVB, alledgedly.

But yeah, power is way down for sure.

[umbral heron]

Then it's not even useful as a space heater now, why buy it then?

[old marlin]

for gaming it is unlikely that the 9800x3d will be much faster than the 7800x3d

[ashen spindle]

Memory speed, if you want better IO

[old marlin]

if you want it for something like AVX512 then zen5 is quite a bit faster tho

(but if you wanted AVX512 you would not have bought intel)

[umbral heron]

I'm more interested in two 3D-cache CCDs in 9950X3D

[north tide]

For some workloads that could be AVX accelerated by 7950x3d was achieving speeds 50-100% faster than 14900k's, and zen5 blew it away. They are not even on the same planet any more

[north tide]

It will be useless unless the interconnect and maybe the way that the caches work is significantly changed - maybe the move to InFO interconnect can do it. Right now your performance falls off a cliff if you have to duplicate cache data between two CCX's, and that problem only gets worse as cache sizes increase.

[ashen spindle]

Big instruction set that Intel introduced and then ironically removed on desktop

[umbral heron]

[old marlin]

the 14900k has no AVX512 support

[north tide]

Yeah, that's why it's on a different planet 😄

Zen4 with half-hardware AVX512 was pulling ahead 50%+ faster than having to run AVX256 on Intel, then zen5 got another up-to-100% on top of that.

[old marlin]

but yea, apparently they are quite efficient at it and still go 5ghz all core at 140W

[north tide]

The ecores are really good now. Way better than Skylake.

[umbral heron]

Ah, that of course, but if they are going with the trouble of putting 2 v-cached CCDs, then probably they are cooking
Otherwise they could do an Zen4 and stick a Zen 5c there

[north tide]

But there was supposed to be an 8+32 layout for arrow lake, that got cancelled because performance and costs were too bad.. and they canceled royal core as well, which was the new grounds-up Pcore design which was already basically done and working. That was going to be 4+32.

so Intel's future in performance computing is looking grimmer than it has since the athlon days

[umbral heron]

I still don't see the reason to use P-cores and E-cores instead of just stuffing them whole with dual-threaded E-cores

[north tide]

From what i've heard they're going to be phasing out the current P-core entirely and evolving the Ecore into a new single-uarch design

[old marlin]

scalability

and efficiency

[ashen spindle]

E cores don’t clock as high

[old marlin]

e cores are also less efficient

[umbral heron]

I mean, I know HT is not the same as SMT, but still

[ashen spindle]

You need higher clocks for t performance

[ashen spindle]

It is, it’s just different names

And the only reason the e cores are so space efficient is because they are made to run lower clocks without smt

[umbral heron]

Hmm... I read somewhere they are quite different, anyway

[old marlin]

it's not exactly the same probably, but it has the very same idea

[north tide]

Performance doesn't scale very well with area and power.

If you want to make a core (sqrt2) aka 41% faster then you need to make it twice as big and consume twice as much power, roughly.

With the budgets that we have today for transistors, area, power - it's much more beneficial to use a few strong cores and many weak cores, rather than have all of your cores be medium.

If you go all-strong cores then it sucks for nT, power and area.

If you go all-weak cores then it sucks for ST, and this is an issue that is increasingly important as core counts increase as that greatly exacerbates ST / amdahl's law bottlenecks.

If you put a few strong cores and many weak cores, it can be golden in ST, nT, area and power all at the same time.

For the math, we'd actually be best off with a config like 1 supercore and 16 little ones, but that is an even greater scheduling and user experience challenge.

[umbral heron]

Do math on GPU

[north tide]

ST work on GPU is very slow 😄

The whole idea of a GPU is taking "many weak/simple cores" to the max, having 10 thousand cores, with the solution of it being bad at everything else being "just dont run that lol"

which for the most part works

but something has to run that stuff.

and that is a CPU core, preferably a huge one.

[umbral heron]

I dunno, I just want lots of threads, so lots of vCores, so I can run VMs on that

[old marlin]

Also a big manufacturing challenge

If that super ore has a timy error you likely have to fuse the whole thing off

[north tide]

Yeah

there are some solutions to that though, like with the wafer scale chips if they want to use 10 of something then they put 12 of them on the chip and expect that 1 or 2 might be broken

you can have a core with like 10 ALU's which is actually 12 in hardware

but yeah more complex and expensive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfgWmQpzD74 15 year old video. Still on-point

[sweet swan]

guys am i done for? i dont have soldering equipment to pull these out

[umbral heron]

That looks like a front panel from case

Why would you want to pull these out? You can detach them from motherboard

[reef patrol]

Instructions unclear, desoldered CPU socket from motherboard.

[steady sail]

what are u wanna do tho ?

[sweet swan]

Rip out every single cable attched to my power supply

It broke

[umbral heron]

They absolutely do not go to power supply

[sweet swan]

Idk bruh my setup is weird af

[steady sail]

but those looks like from the case itself

[sweet swan]

Oh ur right ty

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/muppet-family-christmas-muppets-sesame-street-kermit-crisis-gif-15746540

[steady sail]

https://tenor.com/view/lost-kermit-kermit-the-frog-map-idk-gif-13598436

[umbral heron]

I'll just leave it here in case you'll be plugging it back in to your PC

[sweet swan]

Look how dust this whole thing is

dusty*

[umbral heron]

Nothing can-o-compressed propane'n'butane cannot fix

[steady sail]

or the good ol CompuCleaner

https://itdusters.com/en-fr/collections/electric-air-dusters/products/xpert?variant=47663711355213 best pc cleaner

[cosmic thunder]

just wash it

[fallen pendant]

Dishwasher

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-wiggle-cs-go-bomb-gif-8382656

[umbral heron]

Oh yeah, I should probably get new PSU too

[thick elk]

As long as it's a decent one 10 years should be fine for desktop use

[reef patrol]

I just pray mine won't ever die - Cause it was expensive af, and I've grown used to the luxury of a fully modular, platinum rated PSU 😄

[ashen spindle]

high end ones get 12 year of warranty which means they expect them to live at least 15 or so

[reef patrol]

Yeah it's something like that. I forgot what Be quiet has for mine. It's one of their ridiculous units, they tend to ship out to reviewers.

[thick elk]

For what it's worth have a lot of 10 year old ones at work are just fine, budget units, at worst fan wears out and that is time to replace

Actual powersupply that did fail on me was a new one, but even then it generally fails safely.

Annoying to debug, as you don't expect a psu to fail,fast but that's the bathtub curve

[old marlin]

bathtub curve be like

applies to basically anything

[thick elk]

True of course the actual values of the 3 factors vary

[steady sail]

im happy that i went with a reliable psu

and i changed the time bomb from my previous purchase

it was a shitty PSU that couldnt even handle OC on gpu

[thick elk]

A reliable psu can still fail though.
Can still have a manufacturing defect leading to early death.
Not always catched
Can still randomly fail due to mostly external factors.
Will still wear / age be it over a long period of time.

[steady sail]

like my pc would just randomly shut down for no reason yeah free time bomb

[thick elk]

However that does sound like a replace asap kind of situation.

[steady sail]

i replaced it

i got a Phanteks Revolt Pro 850W as if right now

[umbral heron]

I have 700W, but it didn't trip overcurrent protection yet and didn't turn off during stress tests

[steady sail]

oh that psu was a shitty Cooler Master one

Felimi the trader

[thorny viper]

which one ?

[umbral heron]

My brother has snatched it

[steady sail]

Cooler Master v3

[thorny viper]

I have a 650 MWE v2 if I remember correctly

[umbral heron]

I have spare 1070Ti which now chooches in Minecraft server

[steady sail]

I have a spare 1070

[ashen spindle]

does your client want my 4090 when the 5090 drops

[thorny viper]

I have a athlon 64 3200+ in my pencil case

[steady sail]

I might upgrade next month if the stars are gonna align

Yeah

I could upgrade this month but i have to save up for stuffs

[umbral heron]

I'm giving my friend an aneurysm
Opening git project in kate to have a preview and editing files in vim
I see that she is just fuming to tell me "use VS Code reeeee"

So I can annoy you too with it

But you like working with wood
I'll get you from that angle

[steep creek]

digital gift to fleimi:

[steady sail]

[umbral heron]

send woods

[north tide]

My Asus OLED failed on day 12 💀

(yesterday)

they're still on pre order and it's dead already lol

[old marlin]

[steady sail]

what would be a good selling price on a 6700 xt

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-admits-core-ultra-9-285k-will-be-slower-than-i9-14900k-in-gaming ah more slides are put up now

[ashen spindle]

check sold listings on ebay or similar sites in your region

[steep creek]

slower and rumored to change socket after one generation

[steady sail]

Soo around 200-250

Hmm 1070’s going for around 60-80€

Mine has a broken fan soo 55€ is a good enough price

And my old cpu is like 20€ max

[old marlin]

will prob have a lot of good changes "under the hood" that could help future gens

with better power targets etc

[steep creek]

i hope so, just that its not looking too bright at least for now imo

[steady sail]

Oh i can win 70€ on my old monitor as well

If im lucky i can get 350€ xd

With everything

Even 300€ would be half of my new gpu

Okay a lil bit less then half but still

[quick cargo]

on my two he, my up arrow is pressing randomly, I even swapped out the switch and its still randomly pressing even for like 5 milliseconds I even have my keyboard on 1mm actuation point.

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258

[bright briar]

i came in here to say "tech"

[gusty kiln]

Giga oof

[gusty kiln]

Ah, the course-correcting generation

[north tide]

At least it's day 12 and not day 15. By UK law they are legally obligated to refund me now rather than repair or replace it with a different sample.

That shit is a thousand euro monitor

If people are talking about it bricking itself online, i can't really reliably say how much that speaks for the product from a few samples. If mine bricks on day 12, yeah, i'm never trusting that SKU again.

[rough osprey]

damn rip

it just randomly died or what

[gusty kiln]

Whatchu gunna replace it with

Shame mini led seems to only get higher resolution than refresh rate. Saw a 8K 144hz miniled demo online.

[rough osprey]

lol

[north tide]

Yeah i was web browsing and it just went black

no picture, no OSD, nothing fixed it

[rough osprey]

weird

[north tide]

I have a pg259qnr, it's just painful going from 1440p OLED 480hz back to 1080p IPS 360hz

[rough osprey]

eepy ahh monitor

[marsh pewter]

it’s taking a slumber

[gusty kiln]

PG27AQN is only 599 atm. 1440p 360hz IPS. That's honestly what I would get if I didn't jive with the OLED compromises.

[sweet swan]

My pc turns on but I can't get a display

I tried reseating the gpu and the hdmi cable

[north tide]

Yeah, i don't really feel it's worth 600 unfortunately (or +300) since i already have this one

was hoping for more of an upgrade

[gusty kiln]

Miniled plz get better faster

I guess give WOLED a try

[north tide]

TN is stuck at around 360hz. ETN does 540, but it does it shockingly terribly and i found that panel to be completely unusable. When viewed with perfect ergonomics, the top of the screen only has 60% of the brightness of the bottom.. in what world is that okay? Not mine

and IPS is pushed to make 360 happen (kinda blurry)

Kind of want something like OLED which transitions quickly, doesn't suck, but also doesn't burn in and have these random issues. I think it may be related to the firmware for pixel cleaning and stuff..

[gusty kiln]

The AQN overdrive was done pretty nicely

[north tide]

Pretty nicely yeah but putting it side by side with 360 oled the IPS are a blurry mess

it's just IPS, it only goes so fast

[gusty kiln]

Ulmb2 helps a little

[north tide]

yeah but can't use it in my main games due to unstable framerates and frametimes

and i have a neurological issue which is exacerbated by blue light and eyestrain so strobing on a daily is most probably going to ruin me

[gusty kiln]

The dual mode woled might be worth a try

I assume you got a 4090

[north tide]

This one that just died in 12 days is basically the same as those, but instead of 4k240/1080p480 it's 1440p 480.

[gusty kiln]

But isn't that qdoled

[north tide]

Same gen, same manufacturers

[gusty kiln]

Vs woled

[rough osprey]

no

[north tide]

They are the new gen WOLEDs

[gusty kiln]

Oh rip

Oh the qd oleds are 360hz

[north tide]

LG doesn't offer a legally binding burn-in warranty, Asus does for 3 years but their monitor dies in 12 days

[rough osprey]

we getting 600hz qd oled next year

[north tide]

what res

[gusty kiln]

Rip that country

[rough osprey]

1440p

[north tide]

using 1440 for 12 days has sadly opened my eyes as to how much 1080 sucks. A lot of stuff takes up too much space on the screen.. "just make it smaller" fails because some things just take a certain amount of pixels, like text, and if you push them smaller it's no longer comfortably legible without the resolution to back it up.

[rough osprey]

nah its under 1k here

[north tide]

What connector? Display stream compression? That was the achilles heel of the 480's

[rough osprey]

idk its just a guess

[gusty kiln]

All the 1440p 360hz qd oled are 700-800 atm

[north tide]

OLED can do 1khz if the electronics keep up, but the burn in and the weird firmware stuff like pixel cleaning every 4 hours to stop the burn in is causing big problems i think.

[rough osprey]

nah

[north tide]

DSC'd 8-bit color was crap, but forced for more than like 120hz. Having 5 seconds of black screen and monitor disconnecting (thus Windows moving everything onto second monitor of a different resolution and orientation) was crap too, and that's caused by DSC

[gusty kiln]

Qdel, our only hope

[north tide]

you say nah but mine got stuck on pixel cleaning and died lol

[rough osprey]

u using hdr?

[rough osprey]

ye thats an issue but generally speaking

[ashen spindle]

wake me up when VRR stops flickering and HDR works fine on either windows or even linux, till then I'm just sad about monitors

[north tide]

I tried it, it was crap at 480hz because of the DSC and low color depth

[rough osprey]

just set it to 10 or 12bit?

[north tide]

You can set 10 bit but it only works at like 120hz. Then it's beautiful, but slow. It should be beautiful and fast, it's dumb that a cable is limiting such a great panel

[gusty kiln]

Vrr flicker is the killer for me on oled, I can accept eventual burn in, but not flicker on day 1

[north tide]

yeah VRR flicker is unusable on OLED

[rough osprey]

i can do 12bit at 480hz 🤔

[north tide]

On the WOLED you could select 10 bit but it would be highly compressed and look awful, which is not too surprising because even 8-bit required visually significant compression to manage 480hz.

If you set it to 120hz it looked amazing by comparison.

[rough osprey]

did u use dp or hdmi

[fickle ore]

there are ok monitors around 200-300€

[north tide]

tried both

[rough osprey]

sounds weird

maybe your monitor had more problems lol

[fickle ore]

cant have good for cheap

[gusty kiln]

Xg2431 is still the budget king for esport gaymers

[fickle ore]

or your expectations down 😄

[north tide]

Yeah, >240hz IPS is 40% of the price that 240hz TN was only 5 years ago.

[fickle ore]

in the grand scheme thats just nitpicking

[north tide]

Give it another decade and we'll be on 1khz 4k for $600

[gusty kiln]

Miniled just needs more zones

[fickle ore]

1000€ aint what it used to be

[rough osprey]

idk about that honestly

[north tide]

4k 1khz has already been done

It's just not cheap (yet)

[analog sinew]

in a decade well have it directly beamed to our brain

[rough osprey]

would be surprised if the cables get that much better that quick

[fickle ore]

definitely too much for some europeans, not for most western europeans/US folks

[analog sinew]

that is also subjective

[rough osprey]

its all just luxury

you dont need any of this to be good or have fun

[north tide]

DP2 can do 4k960 10b 4:4:4 with DSC. It's not new, it's actually pretty old by now.

[analog sinew]

theyre better than u okay???!!??? they need it for their ego

[fickle ore]

Yeah they just get $10-20k month salary while paying 5% of their salary to SS and like 10-30% to taxes 😛

[rough osprey]

i mean without dsc

[marsh pewter]

dude what americans are you talking about

[misty matrix]

I love how display discussions here just get so insanely derailed

without fail

[north tide]

Without DSC yeah it needs another gen 😛

but dp3 wont be a 2034 thing

[marsh pewter]

this also isn’t true. it heavily depends on where in the US you are.

[rough osprey]

will we even get dp2.1 uhbr20 with longer cables and stuff

that is stable

[north tide]

the top end athlon's used to cost 900 euros before inflation, now you can get a 7800x3d for 350 or an older gen CPU for 50.

[misty matrix]

times change, money changes

[fickle ore]

Wish I had invested in NVIDIA in 2005 too

tbf gotta drop expectations. Here's me with my 1500€ PC rocking 300 fps in OW

[ashen spindle]

you can get pcs for the same price they just added a halo tier above for most things like a 4090, even during 1080ti times people were building with a 1060 as the most used gpu

[fickle ore]

^the owner of HD6950>GTX780>1060>7800XT

[rough patrol]

Yeah but 60 tier barely exists anymore

And they raised the price on that too

[dull hollow]

[ashen spindle]

even if its now 550 for a 4070 thats more but not 2500

[fickle ore]

buy from ama

[open ruin]

Holy moly

I wanna buy it

[ashen spindle]

these sort of screens existed before just instead of being 1xxx€ they were like TVs for 5k+ so you didnt see people talking about them as gaming screen

[open ruin]

But I don’t game as much as I used to so idk anymore

[fickle ore]

Gaming is seriously a good hobby, so cheap

[open ruin]

New sofa, or new monitor

[dull hollow]

what monitor are you getting for the cost of a sofa

[narrow cape]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CWPXVQJN/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

600$ 360hz 1440p OLED looking pretty good

[open ruin]

The one they just linked 899

[dull hollow]

that is pretty juicy

[narrow cape]

Ngl might have to buy that rn

[dull hollow]

but still more than id pay for it

[open ruin]

I’m currently on 1440p but with the 5000 series…

Running 4k should be easy over 160 fps on most games

[dull hollow]

im doing 1440p on a 20 series gpu

[open ruin]

Currently on 3090ti on 1440p

[narrow cape]

Currently on 7900xt on 1440p

[dull hollow]

its fine and able to get to 144hz but if i want to get 240hz/360 id have to set everything to low

[rough osprey]

i hope the leaks are wrong

[ashen spindle]

you have to specify which leaks lol

[open ruin]

But idk bros, I don’t wanna upgrade to a 4k monitor and then all my FPS tanks cause of the demand

[rough osprey]

400w 5080

[open ruin]

Probably refers to the 5000 series

It’s basically a mini heater

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah thats nothing we know for sure by know

[open ruin]

It might just be true. I mean how else can you deliver more power

[ashen spindle]

at most we could get what board partners have as information for intended cooling power but that doesnt equal powerdraw

[dull hollow]

i mean you can always downscale the game and watch content in 4k...

[ashen spindle]

make a different gpu architecture that clocks higher at same voltage

[open ruin]

That’d be cool or make smaller silicon

I forgot if nvidia is using 6 nanomenter or 8

There’s still room to downsize

[ashen spindle]

thats all marketing the numbers dont mean anything

N6 has a pitch of like 22nm or something around there

[open ruin]

No way man, that’s more than marketing numbers. Look at apple chips

Amazing feats of engineer for what they provide at their scale

[ashen spindle]

node names are literally just marketing numbers

not a single thing is 3nm at the N3 node

[open ruin]

Really? Dang, I haven't done any research on it but that’s kind of a bummer if true

[rough patrol]

I have some real 5000 series leaks

5000 series will use electricity.

[narrow cape]

360hz oled has been bought

[open ruin]

Which one

[dull hollow]

didnt some russian guy leak the m4 macbooks

[ashen spindle]

it roughly means its better but how much depends and its way more complicated, smaller nodes needs different design rules for chips etc.

[rough patrol]

Under ideal circumstances it will draw frames for your videogames

[narrow cape]

The one I sent

I was contemplating spending extra 400$ to get 480hz but i don’t think it was worth

[open ruin]

Oh nice!! I tried upgrading my IPS monitor atm 165 hz to a 360 one but I didn’t feel right upgrading to more frames and still being at 1440p

[rough osprey]

or imma buy used 4080 super when all the current owners buy a 5080 🤔

[open ruin]

I ended up returning it, 1 more year and I’m 30… I wouldn't be able to make the most use of it anyway

👴

[rough osprey]

thats not that old...

[dull hollow]

gpu upgrade or monitor upgrade

[rough osprey]

gambling

[dull hollow]

ah yes

red or black

all in on green?

[open ruin]

I'd say GPU

But tough to say tho

I feel frisky and wait another generation and get the 6000 series

[narrow cape]

That’s what I’m doing

[dull hollow]

2070 super is still enough for most games

[open ruin]

I want 4k to slap me in the face with good FPS. Atm it’s good but not 1080/1440p good yet

[dull hollow]

its just high graphic demanding ones like Assetto Corsa and big open-world games

[narrow cape]

I’m very excited to try assesto on oled

[dull hollow]

im sure itll look amazing

[open ruin]

Or maybe I shouldn't and try not to burn my house down with more power consumption

[pale sigil]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-Plus-PCIe-Gen4-Internal/dp/B0CCNCW5QX?ref=dlx_prime_dg_dcl_B0CCNCW5QX_dt_sl7_fa

[dull hollow]

lmao

[pale sigil]

i want one

but i know i shouldn't

[open ruin]

How much is it?

I think I might pull the trigger on an SSD actually

I need to buy 1 for me and the wife

[pale sigil]

192

[open ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-falling-building-fall-woodz-gif-24715383

[gusty kiln]

That drive was about 150 usd last year

Before the AI boom

[open ruin]

Oh wait that's 4 TB

[pale sigil]

i dont live in usd land

[narrow cape]

Too many deals too little money

[open ruin]

So probably 2 TB might be 80 bucks?

[gusty kiln]

Would have translated to 120 euros or so

[pale sigil]

i am however tempted by this https://www.amazon.co.uk/WD_BLACK-SN850X-2280-Gaming-speed/dp/B0B7CMZ3QH?ref=dlx_prime_dg_dcl_B0B7CMZ3QH_dt_sl7_fa

[pale sigil]

nope

[open ruin]

That’s pretty good actually.

How much is the 2 TB variant

[pale sigil]

tech is way more expensive in europe

[narrow cape]

don’t understand I only know freedom dollars

[rough osprey]

are gen5 ssds worth yet

[pale sigil]

Ok the lowest it was £163.99 (Nov 19, 2023)

[dull hollow]

its 112 us

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B25ML2FH/ref=twister_B0BHTPL5G5?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

[pale sigil]

never ocme close

[ashen spindle]

nah

[narrow cape]

Is dp 2.1 worth it yet

[open ruin]

Niceee (I blocked social media apps and Amazon to not be distracted at work)

112 isn't too bad

[pale sigil]

ill prob wait till black friday

[open ruin]

Oh right thanks giving is around the corner

Black friday or cyber Monday

[open ruin]

[pale sigil]

was looking at a 2tb one but its not really an offer

[open ruin]

They’re messing with us increasing the price and once it’s the holiday they’ll give us those discounts

2TB gang

I’ll definitely grab some for black friday or cyber monday

[gusty kiln]

2tb is better value than 4tb, which is crazy

[narrow cape]

Ahh you reminded me, I need to get one too, hopefully the deals then will be better

[halcyon moss]

Spend it on a good wheelchair

[open ruin]

I ended up just buying like a 16TB HDD instead for all my games

And a 250 GB for my OS

But with gen 5 SSD tho… I’m super-tempted

[halcyon moss]

That sounds like a terrible idea in 2015

[open ruin]

Windows will start in like 15 seconds

[open ruin]

You think so?

It’s just single player games

[halcyon moss]

Yes. Hdd are super slow for games. Especially with world streaming these days

[open ruin]

If it’s MMOs or w/e I put it in one of my SSDs

[ashen spindle]

gen5 ssds are a waste of money and just get cheaper gen3/4 for games

[open ruin]

Don’t ruin my hype, are they? Do you have some charts or w/e

[ashen spindle]

you cant even notice the speedup of gen4 in most cases

so for gaming/bootup gen4 is enough/overkill already

[halcyon moss]

Ltt did a test years ago of differences between ssd types. Even sata was fast enough

[pale sigil]

not a terrible deal

[open ruin]

but gen5… even faster?

[dull hollow]

hmmmmmmmm

[ashen spindle]

yeah so your 50ms loading is now 25ms, wow

[dull hollow]

i know this can go down to 900

[open ruin]

That’s a whole battleship

[ashen spindle]

most load times arent storage loading anymore

[scenic swallow]

✅

[open ruin]

Don’t knock it, that’s idk why pretty impressive

[halcyon moss]

I remember the battlefield 2 loading times

[dull hollow]

i enjoy sim racing so it would be nice to have an ultrawide but for shooters its kinda ass

the ui is on opposite ends of the screen

[ashen spindle]

yeah but unless you move gigabytes of data daily its not going to make a difference you would ever notice

[open ruin]

Oh wow look at that

[halcyon moss]

Or run a high performance database :p

[ashen spindle]

save the money and put it towards a better gpu or something

[open ruin]

I see what you’re saying but my brain wants latest gen of SSDs

[halcyon moss]

Tablescans go vroooom

[ashen spindle]

its litreally not making your load times even a second faster

[open ruin]

Vrooooom

[ashen spindle]

but a faster cpu will make it load faster

[open ruin]

So I’m not getting a lot of vroooom?

[scenic swallow]

You have what cpu and gpu ? Or want to have ?

[open ruin]

My set up atm is 3090 TI, 5800X (not 3D)

[halcyon moss]

Does 5000 series even do pcie5?

[scenic swallow]

Take a gen 4 and save up for a better cpu for the next upgrade or save some with a gen 4 sell your 5800x and take a 5700x3d or 5800x3d

[ashen spindle]

nope

[open ruin]

Then I’m running 32 gigs of ram DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800)16

[scenic swallow]

? I have see that yes

[ashen spindle]

what?

Am4 does have pcie5

[scenic swallow]

I have maybe missunderstand

[open ruin]

I think I’d rather just jump towards 7800x3d all together at a later date once those CPUs go down in price

[ashen spindle]

he means the 5000 cpu series not gpus

and those dont have gen5 pcies

[scenic swallow]

My bad i was thinking about psu

[dull hollow]

uh huh....

g6 looking juicy too

[halcyon moss]

So gen 5 over gen 4 ssds are useless on that cpu

[scenic swallow]

Ha ok my bad

[open ruin]

I see

[wheat plume]

YouTube removed the like counter too....

[open ruin]

You're right

[scenic swallow]

5700x3d >>>>>> if no 7800x3d at good price

[open ruin]

I hope 9000 series are good

[open ruin]

Idk chief price yes but performance is really nice

I'd like to just upgrade all the way to the 9000s

But then again there’s no reason to other than just consumerism

We throw in an additional 1200 bucks for cpu and mobo combo

[sharp badger]

I've got it still?

[dull hollow]

for the samsung monitor

[open ruin]

Good prices this year

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258

[slender torrent]

sorry

[fringe rover]

Should I get a VV3 Pro or a Lamzu MayaX? Or other?

Currently have a ULX Medium but want to try some other stuff

[unkempt lake]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-admits-core-ultra-9-285k-will-be-slower-than-i9-14900k-in-gaming

[cedar fog]

woah

thats actually impressive

[fringe rover]

I’ve compared shapes and they are very similar which do you think favors claw grip? Also is there any other I should check out that are similar in quality and competitiveness

[thin axle]

Except the price on the 7800x3d has skyrocketed. The scalpers are back, in force!

[wheat plume]

That's desktop

[thin axle]

What about the xm2 8k?

[sharp badger]

Maybe I've just not gotten it yet? This is mobile

[crimson wigeon]

Probably just another A/B test

[thin axle]

So intel has another bad year. Figures. Wonder if they renegotiate on that juicy tsmc contract.

[ashen spindle]

them using tsmc or not isnt really related to ARL performance

those chips are on tsmc btw

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/x-HtDB8nm7w

[fringe rover]

My main gripe with the ULX is the lack of Hump. Since I play claw I feel forced into fingertip with ulx. Just looking something that will feel better with palm grip that isn’t too big and is not ergo. I enjoyed the OG Superlight shape but like the weight of the ULX. Which is why I was leaning towards the mayax

[unkempt lake]

Same as amd

An era of stagnation begins

[fringe rover]

Do you have the X or the OG

Ik the X is bigger than the og

[cedar fog]

I'm honestly all for same performance lower power draw