🔌│tech

[north tide]

and they can simply refresh at kilohertz frequencies if the electronics can keep up with that

[gusty kiln]

Samsung VAs were near TN levels

[north tide]

not just <1ms but like 0.3ms worst case

it means that 1khz oled will happen soon

while 360hz fast IPS is having problems scaling its clarity, and 540hz eTN is absolutely unusable garbage because TN just can't run that quickly.

[gusty kiln]

Tn only good with bfi

[north tide]

I've used TN monitors for most of my life, i have one on my desk right now, and i had to return the eTN after hours because it was just completely unusable.

At a perfect viewing distance and position, ergonomically, the top of the screen had 60% of the brightness of the bottom due to color shifting.

I could. not. see. anything.

frames of stuff that you can't see are useless

[gusty kiln]

Currently on a 240hz 1440p ips

[gusty kiln]

Ok response times

Like 5-6 ms

[north tide]

fast IPS around 240-360hz are GOAT for budget right now. So good, so cheap

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

[north tide]

1080p fast IPS 270hz for 200 euros or 1440p in the 300's

people would kill for that even 5 years ago

[steady sail]

me who just bought a 180hz IPS 1440p monitor

[north tide]

10 years ago, people were asking if such a thing were even possible to develop

[steady sail]

i mean OLED is out of my budget and i dont care about it

[gusty kiln]

Vrr flicker is a no for me on OLED, I just want to set and forget it. Not be fussy with settings depending on the games I play.

[north tide]

now they are cheap, still falling, GOAT monitors

[whole iron]

meh it doesn't matter unless your game/gpu can drive higher rates

[north tide]

Yeah, i just turned it off

VRR is mandatory at 60hz, huge at 240, by 480 it is not actually noticably helping me any more

whereas 360 to 480hz obviously does noticably help

[gusty kiln]

Yeah, screen tearing should be all but gone at 480

[steady sail]

overall im supprised bc my pc can do that LOL

[north tide]

screen tearing was not visible to me really on 240hz, but it was obviously apparent that 240hz monitor VRR-ing in the 170's was much smoother than 240hz static refresh in the 170's FPS.

The big screen tearing smoothness loss zone is halfway between 100% and 50% of the refresh rate, so a 60hz monitor sucks over 30fps or so for example.

on 480 i don't see either effect really

Yeah

the tears are 8x smaller and persist for 1/8'th as long as 60hz

so i just do not even register them

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

[north tide]

on 60hz tearing is very obviously awful and i hate it for both looks and smoothness

and nobody playing 60fps content should be cursed with 60hz

120hz monitor playing 40-60fps is so many leagues better than 60hz it's insane

[gusty kiln]

They're was also fast sync, but I think that was just a frame buffering technique

[north tide]

i don't think most people understand those interactions and how much they hurt the visual and gameplay experience

refreshes either synced to each individual frame or 2-3x++ your actual framerate is ideal. But the higher the refresh rate goes, the less it matters.

[gusty kiln]

Can't wait for next gen display tech, but that still a decade away

Yeah

That first big jump is great

[north tide]

I think that something like 4k1khz at $500 is a lot closer than many assume

[late grove]

60hz is enough for some games. I still wouldn't want to use it regardless.

[distant tapir]

People are used to blurry displays and low refresh rate stutter.

[late grove]

For some reason Doom 3 being locked to 62.5 FPS never bothered me. I can still play that game just fine.

[gusty kiln]

Probably at the end of the decade I mentioned lol

[north tide]

yeah i think it could be doable before 2030. It's already been done, the question is price. $500 makes it hard because OLED isn't that cheap. Yet. It also requires DP2 or similar connectors which the RTX 4000 series do not have, but both of these things could change quite massively by RTX7000 series in 2028.

[late grove]

Yes but it still is an FPS game. Normally even 3rd person games at 60 FPS already bother me a lot, let alone first person.

I think it has something to do with yes it being slow and it also being very dark.

I think when you can't really see that much or clearly, lower refreshrate becomes less problematic.

[north tide]

They had problems taming the burn in

that's why it was slow to enter the pc space

[gusty kiln]

Love the screen on my S24 ultra

[north tide]

It needed hardware revisions and a lot of software updates for stuff like moving the display a couple of pixels to the sides regularly and automatically dimming the taskbar etc

most of which are completely un-noticable in use unless you go looking for them with a camera. I did turn off edge dimming because that was awful.

[gusty kiln]

Dell had to actively cool the first qd oled

[north tide]

A lot of people also do crank brightness and that burns OLED much, much faster - i have mine on 160 nits static with a 400 lumen lightbulb in the room

so the screen is bright in that context

but it's not sunlight bright

[gusty kiln]

Realism

[north tide]

^

[distant tapir]

@astral haven

[north tide]

I have severe neurological issues that are massively exacerbated by light intensity and color among other things. It makes a huge difference for eye and brain strain to have monitor at 160 nits, and lightbulb + monitor with low blue light in particular.

^

[distant tapir]

Oled HDR brightness is shit. Even on the decent TVs.

I don't really agree given how HDR is standard in modern AAA games.

And I do personally watch movies on my monitor.

[gusty kiln]

Brightness only really matters in the living room

[north tide]

This panel does 260 nits fullscreen or 4 digits on highlights. That is obviously limited and best in the dark, but yeah i don't use it for that.

The color gamut is insane

[astral haven]

This is the only excuse for not having a very bright monitor, but I would suspect that this is simply due to the room being too dim, not the monitor being too bright.

[north tide]

It has been studied fairly extensively, and for best human health we use values <= 200 nits under normal room lighting. Brighter objectively causes and exacerbates health problems.

[distant tapir]

'I don't want a brighter monitor' is just another version of 'you don't need more than (insert refresh rate)'.

For HDR almost every oled is quite meh compared to excellent minileds.

[astral haven]

Yeah, but that's very much wrong. We should be using 10,000 or higher.

[distant tapir]

The oleds look dim and dull compared to them.

[astral haven]

We only use 200 because 10,000 is just vastly too expensive.

[gusty kiln]

Top brightness is not the issue, it's the minimum brightness available to the user

[north tide]

10,000 nits would at best blind you for minutes if it didn't cause permanent vision damage. Looking at a large 1000 nits source directly blinds you for tens of seconds.

[quartz flare]

I use OLED with Windows Auto HDR. It works the way I want. HDR in games and SDR on desktop

[gusty kiln]

10k to light up your neighbors living room

https://tenor.com/view/late-cry-with-ccry-and-russ-scott-jund-praise-the-sun-gif-3460297

[astral haven]

common misconception
you start needing sunglasses for things like snow which are in the 100k nit range

[distant tapir]

People vastly overrate how much 10k nits is.

[north tide]

are you confusing lux/lumans with nits?

[astral haven]

the only difference is area, and snow is alot larger than a monitor

[north tide]

When adapted for normal room lighting, a 25" monitor sized burst of 500 nits from 2 feet away is painful and leaves a blurry afterimage.

It's like looking directly into a standard room lightbulb from a few feet away while adapted to the room lighting.

you can do it, but you wont be able to read size font 12 text for the next 20 seconds afterwards

cause your eyes are like YOOO WTF

[astral haven]

and yet people are perfectly fine to look at concrete lit by the sun which is in the 10k nit range

[distant tapir]

If 10k nits blind you then your eyes don't work and you can't really go outside when the sun is up without protective gear.

[north tide]

do you have a source on that? I suspect that most of the difference comes from pupil adaptation, either way

The optimal range for comfort does depend a lot on the environment, but in standard room lighting it's ~<=200 nits

I did not include much study of how bright concrete is under the sun when figuring out my stuff for gaming and office room usage

[whole iron]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kbAUIS9CW48

[north tide]

love the bartholomew guy

[astral haven]

google the lumens per square meter of the sun
its ~127k
which translates to ~40k nits for normal matte white material

[astral haven]

and this is the problem, fix that and alot of health problems go away (they usually just use sunlights, which even covering 10% of the roof area = 4k nits room brightness + windows

agreed, which is why i say we should target 10k nits

[north tide]

The studies that i've seen proving health benefits used dimmer and redder lights than normal, not the opposite.

When you dim lighting the optimal screen brightness for health drops.

[astral haven]

correct, and dimming lighting is wrong, if you can find a study contradicting using natural light, please provide

[north tide]

There's limited data for lighting that bright, but what i have seen is not good.

[astral haven]

japan reduced their glasses usage rates in kids (by shocking amounts) by installing skylights and adding more outdoor learning

[north tide]

I did see some of that, it's impressive although there are many other variables like the longer and more varied focal distances outside

Plentiful natural light at natural times is quite clearly beneficial for people near the equator.. For those in the far north, it's unfortunately very problematic. If the sun is up for 5 hours a day then having no light is clearly worse than artificial light and causes all sorts of health problems linked to the circadian rhythm and vision

[astral haven]

so use technology to create artificial light that matches what the natural light should be

[north tide]

Nobody has really done that yet, it would be great for study

it unfortunately requires stuff like UV-B rays in controlled amounts

color temperature, brightness and changes in those over different parts of the day is only part of the game

[astral haven]

i dont think the studies support that

the japanese used proper treated glass for the skylights, which should very much block uv

[north tide]

UV-B plays a large role in circadian rhythm regulation, in vision and is used to synthesize an essential hormone with effects directly or indirectly all over the body

The outdoor classes weren't shielded from UV-B, so the data can't accurately be used to exclude it from influence

[astral haven]

🤷 idgaf, we just need to reproduce what skylights produce to reproduce the effects seen, and i havent seen people make skylights out of uv transparent materials

[astral haven]

and many of them were using covered areas

[north tide]

on the circadian rhythm note, there are hundreds of genes that are known to promote neurological disorders such as migraine and 2/3'rds of them in migraine's case are related to the circadian rhythm

based on that and some other stuff i am very much convinced that it's an important factor

[astral haven]

🤷 whatever they did end up having, its not gonna be expensive to reproduce if we incentivize manufacturing and buying them, particularly for schools

[north tide]

Yeah, part of why this kind of research is really critical

something like changing a lightbulb or monitor calibration can have enormous health impacts with almost limitless scaling of application

[distant tapir]

'member when this convo was about HDR displays?

[astral haven]

back to monitors, if you do make the mistake of using a non naturally lit room, then sure keep your monitor under that brightness, but then again you should just get brighter lights with a cri re of 90+

[gusty kiln]

Do you get vrr flicker on your g8?

[astral haven]

i dont use vrr on my g8

4k240 and all with a 3090 means im never getting near the limit

[whole iron]

I never cared about HDR monitors until I got one - mind blowing in dark scenes

[astral haven]

another part of hdr is the whole fixing the awful compression algorithms too

for output, but hdr allows you to fit full dynamic range content onto 8 bits

any time our data transfer rates catch up with raw content, that just means we need to improve the raw content

we are moving audio from 24b int to 32b float, if we ever can handle 12b over the internet, we should immediately start switching to 16b float

[rough osprey]

when we getting 12bit displays

[astral haven]

10 years ago

[rough osprey]

link to one?

[astral haven]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1443062-REG/sony_bvm_hx310_31_4k_hdr_master.html/overview

[rough osprey]

🤔

[gusty kiln]

My monitor can't do 10 bit at 240hz, sadge

[astral haven]

yea thats wrong

[rough osprey]

sony websites says the same

[astral haven]

yea and its not saying what you think its saying

if that monitor is 10 bit, my monitor is 8 bit

[gusty kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/wat-gif-5001440307614895833

Is it using frc?

[rough osprey]

i mean nvidia output is meaningless

[astral haven]

no it uses brightness control

[rough osprey]

everythinf says 12bit there

[distant tapir]

LG C2 also can choose 12 bpc but it isn't a 12 bit panel.

My CRT is ∞ bit.

[astral haven]

analog isnt infinite bits

most crts are capable of 6 bits

[astral haven]

the panel is driven at 10 bits, and has thousands of brightness levels on top of that, making roughly 12 bits of real info

[distant tapir]

#IWantToBelieve

[astral haven]

some oleds dont have brightness control outside of their driven pixel values, and most lcds (without dimming) are the same

but many dimming lcds have 8 or 10 bits via the panel, and a thousand brightness levels provided by the dimming

to turn 10 into 12 bits, you only need 4k brightness levels

(and technically 4 brightness levels could be enough, but they would be extremely jarring)

[gusty kiln]

Gibe 1440p 240hz+ with 2000 dimming zones plox

[frozen ingot]

hells yea it survived my building

[gusty kiln]

Smol gpu

[frozen ingot]

fortysixty

[rough osprey]

wouldnt that be included in the specifiation if a display is able to do this

or atleast advertised in some way

[steady sail]

looks nice

[astral haven]

no, the people who need to know that info know it, and the people who dont just get the benefit and it works smoothly with their cameras

[rough osprey]

seems a bit fishy but okay

[frozen ingot]

thanks, best cable job I ever done by far

[alpine patio]

lmao used wrong name

[astral haven]

s-log 3 is ~ 11 bits, and s-log2 is 12 bits+, 2084 and 2100 are whatever you want them to be

[alpine patio]

bro what even is this

its not a tkl even

[late grove]

Keyboard companies trying to make a TKL keyboard challenge (impossible)

[alpine patio]

80% tkl q3 they say

links a 100% q5

[rough osprey]

ye recording it is easy and implementing a eotf too

[alpine patio]

nvm new day lmao

[rough osprey]

atleast its expected from a sony monitor lol

[astral haven]

yea, i cant trust that my monitor is processing all 12 bits of input signal (even though it has the brightness levels and the contrast to do it), but i can trust that the bvm is

[vapid ruin]

Hmm, looks good, and reasonably priced

right shift weird tho

too small for my liking

[alpine patio]

exploded is a weird choice

it does fix a niche

tho that niche is a weird one

[vapid ruin]

Rhythm gamers that want to spread their hand more but still want an HE

Has a knob at least

[alpine patio]

its a 70% with numpad exploded

[umbral heron]

Hence why
2 UwUs

[vapid ruin]

You forgot masochist that plays 7k 8k 9k or even 10k

[alpine patio]

man why does keychron do 96%

[wild coyote]

Calshock has a UwU addiction

(exposed)

[umbral heron]

I believe in 4k supremacy

[steady sail]

Mania eeew

[umbral heron]

You're like a year too late to notice that

[wild coyote]

Errm

[steady sail]

i mean he can transform into an UwU

lul i joined 6 days earlier than Calslock

[umbral heron]

That I can't do
I can transform into a roll

[whole iron]

some people work with a lot of numbers as part of their work flow

[alpine patio]

ya ive asked them

i guess the bigger the keyboard the more "shaving a few cm" matters

still a very weird niche imho

[whole iron]

I think the board they make with the numpad on the left (if you're right handed) makes a huge difference

can still keep my hand on the mouse while punching numbers into Excel

[vapid ruin]

That's where a dedicated numpad would be useful, which they also sells

[whole iron]

true buts it $100 in addition to whatever board you get

[vapid ruin]

ehhh... Yeah.

I've been living without numpad for a while coming from a laptop keyboard, playing arma feels slightly sluggish without it tho

[whole iron]

I feel ya - I would love to ditch mine but I absolutely need it for work

[vapid ruin]

I think I'll be getting the q0 max in the coming future, I bought a set of keycaps that has numpad portion just in case for that.

[whole iron]

I've heard good things but the price is holding me back - hoping they have sale for the holidays

[vapid ruin]

me too

[astral haven]

my desk is exactly the width of my gmmk2 + mousepad

full numpad+ full mouse space

[umbral heron]

Hmmm...
Ex-display Sapphire Nitro or new AsRock Phantom Gaming? They cost almost the same

[steady sail]

Sapphire for sure

[frozen ingot]

still hard to get over how quiet modern pc's are without even trying

[smoky frigate]

I wish my gainward 3080 would follow

[umbral heron]

I am a bit scared about this Sapphire to be honest...
Bent bracket I can sorta understand, but scratched backplate... What did they do to that card?

[balmy vector]

what did they do to the child

[umbral heron]

Phantom Gaming has RGB or is that static color?

Polychrome with ARGB

[steep creek]

finally my watch band has shipped

[distant tapir]

💢

[smoky frigate]

looks like body horror is involved in returning the package

[umbral heron]

[steady sail]

nice one

[north tide]

Yeah i might even get one of those

spreadsheeting with 12345 on the regular positions is pretty bad

but left handed rightnumpadding is also awful and i don't enjoy full keyboard navigation

[gusty kiln]

Asrock apparently have decent CS

Since they are the new kids on the block

[umbral heron]

I was a bit scared to go with that Sapphire
Seller seemed kinda sketchy, and photos were looking like somebody has abused it

[late grove]

Asrock isn't exactly new but they are definitely the underdog.

[umbral heron]

I'm fairly certain towards ASRock stuff, I had a lot of parts from them in my old PC, now I have Livemixer from them

3 months of savings for a GPU

[frozen ingot]

hoping my new asrock board serves me well

[steady sail]

but its worth it atleast

i just found an Asus Dual RX 7900 GRE for 580 euro

i could sell my old 2nd monitor and my old 1070 for some cash

[umbral heron]

Are we going the same GPU route?
1070 > 6700 > 7900

[steady sail]

uhm

i guess yeah xD

[gusty kiln]

Both my asrock boards never had issues

My H97 is still running fine

[steady sail]

tho im gonna go with this 7900 gre

[gusty kiln]

Oh nice asus is using that cooler for amd now

[steady sail]

yeah

[gusty kiln]

No more of that nasty clear plastic version

[frozen ingot]

its my first one and I bought it from recommendations here

so if I have problems its u guys fault just so you know

[steady sail]

[gusty kiln]

The only thing asrock lack is a ez gpu removal mechanism

[unkempt lake]

I don't have that either on my msi board lmao

[steady sail]

i think ez gpu removal mechanism is a new thing tho dx

[umbral heron]

What's that thingamabob?

[sudden imp]

Use a fork

Or a plastic knife

[unkempt lake]

"I don't play new games"
"M2 too expensive"
Buys an rx7900GRE

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-cat-gif-17984166845494923336

[steady sail]

i play cp77

its okay at 90fps but i want more

[steady sail]

its not bc its expensive

[unkempt lake]

Am just hella confused is all

Lol

[steady sail]

i just dont wanna swap out my reliable m.2 for a new one

and thats it

[unkempt lake]

Its a 250gb peepeepoopoo m.2 tho xD

[umbral heron]

Stronger GPU - benefits all games
M.2 NVMe for DirectStorage - benefits like 20 games

[steady sail]

its good enough for windows to me

[unkempt lake]

Fair enough ig

[steady sail]

and Hana stream

[unkempt lake]

huh

whats a hana

[digital cliff]

it's finnish for faucet

[umbral heron]

Flower

[digital cliff]

or japanese for flower, whichever you prefer

[unkempt lake]

Hecking WEEBS

[vapid ruin]

also 16gb gonna helps a lot with not running out of vram, as long as it's okay on ps5 it'll be okay on the gpu

[umbral heron]

I like you too

[fair gull]

or just a name

[unkempt lake]

But a 6700xt already has 12gb

[steady sail]

yeah i want more performance

[unkempt lake]

you're my favorite weeb besides my brother

[vapid ruin]

Never too early to get more vram.

Besides~ Performance is nice

I just realized, a max possible retail price of ps5 pro almost cost as much as my used 3090 build lmao.

Prop the same if I don't go for x570 board, cheaper case, and non overkill psu.

[unkempt lake]

How much did you pay for that 3090

[steady sail]

i mean i get an overkill psu

[vapid ruin]

$600

[unkempt lake]

A ps5 pro is like... 962cad

[unkempt lake]

That's literally the price of the whole ps5 pro

[vapid ruin]

When I mean max, I mean like $1000

So like, everything is included

[unkempt lake]

You lost me

[vapid ruin]

waow

sorry~

[umbral heron]

Oh
I just poke it with screwdriver

[gusty kiln]

I use a chopstick

But still annoying with a tower cooler in the way

[unkempt lake]

A ps5 pro is 700usd

Your 3090 was 600 usd

@vapid ruin the math aint mathing

You're not building the rest of the system with 100 usd

[vapid ruin]

Ps5 pro on other region are much more expensive

[gusty kiln]

But console gamers vs pc gamers

[unkempt lake]

Taxes/import fees

[gusty kiln]

Console gamer spend more money on games while pc gamer spend more money on hardware

[unkempt lake]

Can't really rake thay into account

[umbral heron]

PS5 Pro here is 820€

[unkempt lake]

I mean... VAT

also you taxes are included in the price

[steady sail]

833 euro

[unkempt lake]

Like here it's 962cad but you gotta add 14.975% sales tax

[umbral heron]

I'm going to Canada

[unkempt lake]

That's 144$cad of taxes

Ends up being 734.26 euros

Which is 10.45% cheaper

[umbral heron]

See?

[unkempt lake]

Which considering denmark dor example has a 25% sales tax

Makes sense

14.975+10=24.975

What im trying to say is

Yall just have the sales tax and other fees in the price

It's roughly equivalent

Tldr blame governments

They tax yall too much

[vapid ruin]

Not to mention from what I heard, EU electricity price is expensive

living there seems tough

[umbral heron]

Until recently we had something called "new tech tax"
New stuff was hella expensive because stores were adding big margins, because importing would cost even more
Thankfully it's no longer the case and we have normal prices now

[ashen spindle]

Ps5pro is like 50€ more after you exclude taxes in Europe

[leaden kiln]

is 962 the price after adding taxes?

[unkempt lake]

No

Before

[leaden kiln]

ah my bad then

[warped inlet]

My wooting just turn off after sometime any fixes?

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258

[smoky frigate]

https://idtech.space/notice/AmJ60Dc5Vn0yigcxPM

faster wayland yaaay

[umbral heron]

You're as quick to the news as Wayland maintainers to approve patches

[smoky frigate]

this was not posted here before so I absolve myself of being a slowpoke

[umbral heron]

#🔌│tech message 2 days ago

[smoky frigate]

FUCK

anyway, freedesktop can go drink dong water, wayfrog now, hagseed OUT

PS shout out to all x11 bros out there

[halcyon moss]

Those still exist?

[smoky frigate]

I have to fall back on it sometimes for shit that doesn't work in gnome wayland (screen tearing, nvidia DSR)

[halcyon moss]

Xorg

Yes x11 proto

[spare wedge]

🤮

[umbral heron]

DSR?
Why just not gamescope with higher nested resolution?

[halcyon moss]

But no one uses x11

[spare wedge]

there is no DSR on linux

[smoky frigate]

never downscales correctly for me, looks like running at native res

[smoky frigate]

it's not quite so obvious, but you are mistaken, you can set a higher virtual res of the x11 desktop on the nvidia driver and get DSR

[umbral heron]

Ah, I see
Maybe Nvidia vs AMD thingy, for me works great

[spare wedge]

that's not... y'know what go ahead lol

[spare wedge]

gamescope scaling filters are ass

[umbral heron]

Works for me
I mostly play at native res anyway

[smoky frigate]

case-by-case basis for me, some games pixelation is bothersome

[umbral heron]

Pixelation? I play without anti-aliasing

[steep creek]

man dhl is speeding . netherlands to norway in one day

[leaden kiln]

dhl is so fast
last time I used dhl it said estimated delivery: yesterday

[steep creek]

within eu, ups and fedex take some 2-4 days typically to my location
dhl does it in one

[gusty kiln]

Damn, supermicro is getting ass blasted

[leaden kiln]

😭 closest ups store is >1h away from me so I try to avoid it

[vapid ruin]

Time travelling

You in other universe got it

[smoky frigate]

I can't stand to look at it anymore!

next display is going to be 4k the size of a postage stamp, if must be

[gusty kiln]

27" 4k should be plenty

[umbral heron]

32" at least

[leaden kiln]

1 inch 2560x2560 uOLED 😎

[umbral heron]

27" is perfect for 1440p

[leaden kiln]

where are the 24 inch 4k monitors

I wanted a 24 inch 1440p monitor but there really aren't many

[smoky frigate]

I have many years before I'll buy another display, I can make my mind up then and use the newest beam-directly-into-my-retinas technology

[gusty kiln]

https://youtu.be/JfwchEzmL7Q?si=TClQFoYG1gwQg9WI

My 4070ti super can't do triple digit fps at 4k

Would have to upgrade gpu for 5k

[umbral heron]

I swear, 50% of #tech is Linux users screaming at each other, other 50% is monitor and audio enthusiasts

[gusty nexus]

[gusty kiln]

And 10% stocks

[steady sail]

imo for 4k u should atleast get 32" 1440 at 27" 1080p 22"-24"

[rough osprey]

27 4k based

[umbral heron]

Oh yeah, stocks!
Time to laugh at Ubisoft again

[steady sail]

its actually got higher LOL

[gusty kiln]

163 vs 138 ppi

[rough osprey]

money already lost

[gusty kiln]

32 va 27 4k

[umbral heron]

Beautiful pixels

[gusty kiln]

Would you guys do triple 27 or one super ultra wide?

[steady sail]

double 27"

[distant tapir]

El oh el

[umbral heron]

Triple 27, no question
That way I can turn off one or two of them if I don't use them

[gusty kiln]

I would do triple 27, and also sqeeze in some portraits monitors

Just don't know how to set that up

Would be so long and wide

[rough osprey]

i would use steam Deck

[gusty kiln]

Reading mangoes and comics on portrait is great

[umbral heron]

I want to go with 1x27" 1440p and 4x23" 1080p
IPS231 are amazing monitors, and like 25€ used after offices

[gusty kiln]

Or just steal em

[smoky frigate]

linux users screaming at monitors and audio equipment too

that was meant to be a reply at calslock WOOPS

why am I even more disorganized if I slept properly?

[umbral heron]

Linux user? Me?
I'm die-hard Apple fanboy, everybody knows that

[smoky frigate]

I'm a certified windows 11 enjoyer

[steady sail]

nah u are a certified windows 12 user

[leaden kiln]

I went from linux to windows 11 :tf:

wouldn't call me an enjoyer though

[steep creek]

i unironically am, allthough i'd switch to mac in a heartbeat if stuff i needed worked there, and if it was upgradeable

[smoky frigate]

I switch between arch and win11 LTSC preview these days and I'm about equally as comfortable using them

they do their job

[steep creek]

i stopped distro hopping once i discovered arch too. its arch or win11 for me allthough most of my time is on win11

[distant tapir]

I really like the idea of LTSC because I like having as little bloat as possible (on Windows) but I'd be afraid of the OS being out of date and not letting me install certain programs or have bad compatability.

[leaden kiln]

I hopped from arch to nixos
I would like to go back but some stuff is just meh
mostly vr

[smoky frigate]

yeah arch has the reputation of being hard to maintain, which I can't really confirm. you have extra work setting anything up, but then it will run reliably

[steep creek]

mine has been pretty okay, i did setup a timeshift backup but haven't had use for it yet

but i dont have a lot of packages / software installed either though

[spare wedge]

Wish I had the enterprise LSTC for windows smh smh

That one actually gets rid of everything

[smoky frigate]

well I wanted to send you ℹ️ Information but I can't even add you

[spare wedge]

IoT enterprise is different if that’s what you’re trying to send me

[smoky frigate]

but from what I am told, using a debloater or using LTSC are practically the same thing

[gusty kiln]

Would game pass function on those versions if windows

[spare wedge]

Probably not, but I don’t use gamepass at all

[smoky frigate]

if you install the store app it should wörk

[lyric hatch]

I run Asahi on my macbook

[halcyon moss]

That's usable?

I haven't read anything about it for a long time

[spare wedge]

For very basic things

It’s only for m1 and m2 macbooks so far

[gusty kiln]

[steep creek]

how does it perform?

[smoky frigate]

I have never done this, don't take me at my word! but with the power of GOOGLING I arrived at the bastion of IQ known as reddit, where people were discussing it

[gusty kiln]

[distant tapir]

https://hifiman.com/products/detail/349
This is stupid af but I like the look.

[gusty kiln]

Surprised the new samsung tablets are using mediatek soc instead of their own exynos

[lyric hatch]

It's still pretty rough

[steep creek]

ah haha yeah haven't heard much from them in a while

[smoky frigate]

oh yeah fuck I just remembered.
global hotkeys still don't work on wayland, which is why I have to use X11 to use my DAW
wayland frog protocols please fix this SHIT

[umbral heron]

That's one of the first things they said they want to fix

[smoky frigate]

THANK GOD. I'll look at the original merge request for global hotkeys to have a laugh at these fucking maniacs arguing about nothing but garbage

[formal maple]

i cant lock my windows key

can someone help

fn + windows doesnt work

[umbral heron]

Oh, by the way, what DAW are you using?
My brother bought himself MPK mini mk3, got bored of it, and I can't make it work with any software

[umbral heron]

Which keyboard?

[formal maple]

60he

[umbral heron]

Fn + Caps + Win

[formal maple]

thank you bro

[smoky frigate]

Renoise. it's a bit old-fashioned (hence X11), and I don't use any hardware with it. you use your keyboard like a piano with it. you can run the demo and see if it works

[wheat plume]

COSMIC dock is so ugly

[gusty kiln]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/s/Xk0MRHrfOT

Asrock once again with reasonable pricing

[steady sail]

nice asrock boards

[gusty kiln]

That taichi lite looks perfect for high end builds

[jaunty rose]

real?

[steady sail]

price wise NO

[jaunty rose]

5 quantillion dollars

[steady sail]

im sure that the 5080 gonna cost 1199$ tho

[ashen spindle]

performance and prices are just guesses

[jaunty rose]

i see

[steady sail]

please ngreedia dont release a 5090 Ti super card

[umbral heron]

They won't
Datacenters pay more

[jaunty rose]

5090D for china

[balmy vector]

Always safer to wait for official news

[steady sail]

yeah

[jaunty rose]

obv

[steady sail]

thats why im gonna wait till ngreedia and amd gonna say something about next gen cards

[balmy vector]

Mhm, saves me time

[steady sail]

sure 7900 gre would be a greate upgrade for me

but just for sure im gonna wait for those

[umbral heron]

Fun fact about datacenters by the way
Our company has bought 24 of those RTX 6000 Quadros
They mostly sit idle now

[steady sail]

and maybe gonna pick up a 5070 or a 8800 xt or idk whats gonna be the next amd gpu line

[jaunty rose]

depending on how 50 series performs will depend on my purches, unless if amd pulls through with performance on some bigger titles

[ashen spindle]

kimis leaks are usually accurate but thats just specs not price or performance

[balmy vector]

Guess you guys got a new dust collection center

[gusty kiln]

Shame rdna 4 isn't out sooner

[umbral heron]

We're going to invent in AI!
I had to rush with assembling those racks, to get them running as fast as possible

Whole September last shows only my logins for maintenance

[steady sail]

atleast u guys are used it ?

[umbral heron]

Sure
I played Minecraft on one of them

[steady sail]

[umbral heron]

And colleague wanted to mine crypto on them

[steep creek]

lol

[steady sail]

lamo

[smoky frigate]

I tried screen recording using OBS on wayland, and it's fucked again, hooray hooray I love this garbage

[steady sail]

btw back to the nvme buying stuff bc i just got the 58x3d this January im gonna wait till 2028 with a whole new system overall

[umbral heron]

I'll have to upgrade soon
Discord and Firefox is enough to kill my CPU

[steady sail]

HOW

[steep creek]

what in the world is that memory usage

[smoky frigate]

yeah and it can be the fault of OBS, or some configuration, or the nvidia driver, or gnome 47, yes I'm a fucking idiot for using my computer like a normal person, fuck me, fuck wayland, so I hope frog protocols are my ticket out of this mess

[steep creek]

no swap either?

[umbral heron]

Nah, if >8G I don't use swap

[steep creek]

thats fair

[umbral heron]

I have only 4 apps running: Discord, Firefox, Yakuake and prime95, that's nothing

[balmy vector]

Its just enough memory

[steady sail]

i mean its easy for me i reinstalled windows on Sunday LOL

[smoky frigate]

olol

300mb text editor

[frozen ingot]

flashing the bios is scary

[gusty kiln]

https://www.phoronix.com/review/intel-xeon-6980p-power

@ashen spindle

Quite a hungry boi

[ashen spindle]

ye seen it, looks good, if turin wasnt coming in 2 weeks

[gusty kiln]

Efficiency gains not as good as intel would hope

[ashen spindle]

I mean its basically meteor lake server

and mtl is just raptor lake+

[umbral heron]

Another 9.9, this time in CUPS https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-CVSS-9.9-Rating

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah was about to link you that

want a fun fact?

another 9.9 is coming on the 6th

idk if in cups too or elsewhere

[wheat plume]

damn it, Apple

[smoky frigate]

CUCKS

[umbral heron]

Update day tomorrow, yaaaay...
SOC will be on our asses since the very start, 8AM

[frozen ingot]

that's a chill boi

[steep creek]

wow nice temps

[frozen ingot]

yeah its like 2 degrees above room temp

[balmy vector]

Chill as a ice cube

[steep creek]

is this the 7800x3d?

[frozen ingot]

I wish

[steady sail]

mine is fine

[frozen ingot]

7600x with phantom spirit 120 se

[steep creek]

still great

[frozen ingot]

its plenty powerful for my needs

[steep creek]

likely for mine too

[frozen ingot]

was tempted on getting the 8-core 7700x but I don't really do much cpu heavy stuff

[late grove]

No need to upgrade if you are not gonna make use of it.

[steep creek]

i just do some code compiling for uni work, but apart from that i dont need anything super powerful either

[steady sail]

that poor 2tb hdd

almost 1 billion reads xD

[umbral heron]

Ah fuck

That GPU is a triple slot

[steady sail]

[umbral heron]

Drilling time

[steady sail]

just go with an Open air system

[umbral heron]

But thankfully it's only 7mm longer
It'll fit

[late grove]

They finally routed power lines to the iGPU on the Godlike board.

That thing finally lives up to it's name.

[umbral heron]

Ugly

[late grove]

Yes you are

[umbral heron]

You can't even see capacitors or headers

[frozen ingot]

surprise disney moment when building

[steep creek]

lol

[ashen spindle]

lawyers would like to know your location

[frozen ingot]

asrock bios has a damn search function

certified bigbrain bios devs

[gusty kiln]

I haven't seen that, guess it's an am5 feature

[leaden kiln]

Think my asus board has that too

[balmy vector]

Yeah asus has a search feature

[frozen ingot]

not sure if my b450f one had it

[balmy vector]

It should be standard though

[late grove]

MSI also has search

Pretty sure everyone has search

[balmy vector]

I must search

For funny cats on my motherboard

[frozen ingot]

bios are so user friendly these days

clocking in the 00s was a whole nother bag of rocks

[umbral heron]

When I got my B450 I was like "Mouse support?! In BIOS?!"

[gusty kiln]

Wireless mouse gets real funky in the bios though

[frozen ingot]

that was a thing on my z97a board from 2014 already

[balmy vector]

Yeah mine moves sooooo slow in there

[unkempt lake]

Same

[frozen ingot]

but yeah sure surprised me too first time I saw it

[steady sail]

Even tho i know it has mouse support i still use my keyboard for it

[frozen ingot]

does feel better to use the keyboard somehow

old habit

[steady sail]

Yeah

[gray gazelle]

Hello, I'm looking for a good 1080p monitor with an IPS screen, good response times, a maximum price of €300 and 240hz.

[dull hollow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h8lLaO1eVA

interesting

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/71bqkR8WmKk

[sudden imp]

I bet you bottom dollar sooner than later there will be a G pro super light three that may be 2-3 g lighter using the AK polling and what not and being nothing but the same shape maybe slightly retooled

[ashen spindle]

@umbral heron good news the CUPS vuln seems overblown

https://infosec.exchange/@wdormann/113205636224106943

[iron wave]

I'm going through the stages of grief with C# I swear.

[iron wave]

There's also a boat load of other issues that have been known and the maintainers don't want to fix, it's a time bomb.

[ashen spindle]

yeah but thats very much different from having a 9.9 rated issue or it being not that bad but the person discovering it makes its overblown on purpose to get stuff fixed

[iron wave]

Is it currently end times, no. But does it have the potential to be later, yes.

[ashen spindle]

thats why these ratings exist so you can accurately determine how bad they are

[iron wave]

I really wish FOSS stuff wasn't treated so poorly by giant corporations.

[iron wave]

I'd say a 9 is reasonable, if anything gets on your network or your machine with this running you're getting pwned.

Maybe not a 9.9.

If web browsers weren't essentially entire OSes at this point maybe an 8. :V

[ashen spindle]

yeah we will see, idk enough to accurately estimate it but it doesnt help to just spread false things about something you find

[iron wave]

Fair.

[ashen spindle]

like if this isnt log4j dont make it look like it's as bad

[iron wave]

It's essentially an unauthenticated RCE to a root system service from the poorly configured defaults of many CUPS installs that also exploits some bad code from what I've read.

[ashen spindle]

it does seem like there were issues or conflict between finding it and disclosing it and those need to be fixed but that's seperate

[astral haven]

if the firewall isnt configured and the user has a printer on the computer and choses to print to it after the exploit is triggered

[iron wave]

You can hypothetically trigger a remote print job too, that's part of CUPS.

[astral haven]

~200k theoretically exploitable machines doesnt deserve a 9.9

especially since it isnt clickless

[iron wave]

On my systems it's a nothing burger because I only turn CUPS on when I need it, others it's almost as bad as possible.

[astral haven]

unless they leave their firewall on and dont connect their computer directly to their modem

[iron wave]

This is interesting: https://youtu.be/ynLm-QvsW0Q

We are very far from this being practical but it's still cool.

[astral haven]

I've happily used my nreal glasses every once in a while for the last year or two...

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/cheems-nerd-actually-meme-doge-gif-26587437

[iron wave]

There's a lot more than just the optics and screen tech that needs to catch up for these.

[astral haven]

its pretty much just software assuming you are using a phone or puck to drive the compute

[iron wave]

And the datacenters being used for image processing and image generation.

[astral haven]

what

[iron wave]

There's no way that such a small and power constrained device is going to be doing the object detection and classification or the ML generated avatar for video calls without the help of servers running in a data center somewhere.

[astral haven]

a phone can do that easily

my phone does do that easily

[iron wave]

With the help of data centers.

[astral haven]

negatory

well datacenters trained the models, but then i downloaded them on my phone and my phone runs them

you can find demos of image classification online that run on the CPU of the pi3

[iron wave]

Who the heck is letting you do that? All of the big updated networks I know of are locked away on servers.

[astral haven]

like obviously stuff that runs on the tegra nano can be higher quality but people these days just dont understand how insanely fast computers are these days

[iron wave]

The last I heard about the updated models was that they are so stupidly huge that they wouldn't even fit on my 4090.

[astral haven]

it was a student project i found online lel, it calls itself IAT on my phone

[astral haven]

thats for gpt-4 and the other LLMs

resnet50 is pretty easy to fit into 100MB

and thats an absolutely ancient benchmark AI

[iron wave]

Funky.

[bright briar]

i have that potato mouse

[empty wren]

It would be nice if wireless was possible

[sudden imp]

https://x.com/finalmouse/status/1838611339792843103

Finalmouse (@finalmouse) on X

Join us for a special reveal event
streaming online at https://t.co/YdkmLLNHCr

October 8, 2024
11 a.m. PT

Twitter · Sep 24, 2024, 4:07 PM

Guess they’re releasing the final version of their ever changing ULX?

[bright briar]

biggest waste of money and sketchy customer support

[empty wren]

Also they do not run on 1000hz right

Think I saw graphs somewhere showing bad latency

[sudden imp]

You mean 8k?

They don’t run 8k yet even though advertised

[empty wren]

Lol

[empty wren]

Failed promises

Wooting and the mk mouse are probably the only ones with real 8k

[unkempt lake]

https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/26/24255234/nvidia-rtx-5090-5080-specs-leak

[rough osprey]

increased power :/

[magic minnow]

Guess I might need to upgrade sooner than I thought

[lyric hatch]

What node is it on

[glossy osprey]

Do cpus sell out the moment they are released like gpus or would I be able to wait for reviews before buying

[sudden imp]

Mk?

[empty wren]

Zuokeing

[sudden imp]

Ah

[empty wren]

However it is spelled

[sudden imp]

For mice 4K polling seems to be the sweet spot with performance and battery

[empty wren]

They use a military drone processor

[sudden imp]

Oh wow

[empty wren]

Oh wireless

Honestly I doubt 8khz is gonna matter on a keyboard anyways

Maybe 2k

Consistently

[sudden imp]

Yeah

2k on a keyboard is just past diminishing returns.

But it’s cool to have

[empty wren]

Now if someone to cheat at a game

[sudden imp]

Well maybe not diminishing

[empty wren]

I can see 8lhz being useful for a solenoid or pneumatic finger

[sudden imp]

Yeah,

Mouse wise I am excited for the mouse optimum showed off in his newest video

[empty wren]

Hmm

[empty wren]

Still better to over spec

[sudden imp]

Being able to customize a mouse to your hands specific shape is absolutely game changing anything past 50-40 grams won’t do much

[sudden imp]

Yeah there really isn’t harm to it lol

[empty wren]

Gamesir had a modular mouse

[sudden imp]

With hot-swappable switches and a mouse like that it would go so hard

[empty wren]

That one has that?

[sudden imp]

I don’t think so

But if they included that

[empty wren]

Oh, guess Asus patented it

[sudden imp]

Absolute perfection

Think they may have

[empty wren]

I will be honest you can test it on a breadboard and then decide

I wanted strong tactile ones that snapped back

Just bought gm4.0 reds and soldered em in

[sudden imp]

For the average consumer though not many people are willing to do that which sucks that ASUS patented it

They barely even use it in their mice

[empty wren]

Not difficult to do

[sudden imp]

Oh definitely not

[empty wren]

I like their joystick idea but past that it is just a mouse

[sudden imp]

Joy stick could be really cool for fps games

[empty wren]

What I would love to see solder less encoder

That is a pain to solder

[empty wren]

Well that that or cad navigation or for low mobility people

[sudden imp]

True

[empty wren]

I hope another mk mouse pcba comes out

Was hoping to build a mouse around the current shape I use with some similar featurss

And reduce some extras

No oled screen, led logo and perhaps ditch the vibration motor

[lyric hatch]

OP1 8k is about as fast as it gets

[distant tapir]

Bought the Kefine Delci.

[late grove]

There is one more way to go faster by making a reverse click switch. But yes it's pointless.

[gray gazelle]

SIMGOT EW300 are good iems?

[late grove]

Probably

[distant tapir]

Yes.

I think I will like the Kefine a lot.

[leaden kiln]

I got a pair this morning

[distant tapir]

Delci?

[leaden kiln]

Nah I meant to reply to another message
Ew300

[gray gazelle]

400 DOLLARS??

[distant tapir]

U laik?

[wide cipher]

these controllers are such a scam even at normal price lol

[severe phoenix]

Ye

[leaden kiln]

They sound nice I think, but I'm not very picky, fit is good and they are nice and small

[severe phoenix]

2 sold tho .

[leaden kiln]

Kinda missing the chin cinch

[severe phoenix]

https://www.videogamer.com/wp-content/uploads/PS5-Pro-USB-C-cable-PS1.jpg I do wanna buy this, if available though

It's pointless, and would be hard to use in a lot of cases I imagine

But damn the vibes

[magic minnow]

That’s a steal!

[severe phoenix]

2 sold!

[old marlin]

you can just 3d print the cover for a reg cable

[severe phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/its-completely-different-randy-marsh-south-park-s13e4-the-queef-sisters-gif-22806253

[old marlin]

yea because the 3d printed ones have more options

https://www.printables.com/model/1016090-ps5-usb-cable-housing-in-various-playstation-contr

you also get a psone as well as a ps2 version

[severe phoenix]

But it's not REAL!

[old marlin]

sony ain't keepin it real

[severe phoenix]

Eh

https://media.printables.com/media/prints/1016090/rich_content/c7816090-75d8-4204-9ff8-830b3e0e2edd/thumbs/cover/800x600/jpg/jie-ping-2024-09-22-215835.webp Not very good looking

[old marlin]

Bad print

[empty wren]

Looks like that side was the layer stacking one, better extruder or z axis is rough

[gray gazelle]

there are some iems better than this?

[reef patrol]

3D printing never looks good without some post print work.

If you don't sand it smooth, it's going to show regardless.

[severe phoenix]

https://www.colorware.com/p-1388-colorware-dualsense-edge-retro.aspx?c=variant-13j lol

Somehow more of a rip than Sony

[gray gazelle]

witch is better?

better than that ones?

whitch ones?

[ashen spindle]

1ms or 0.5ms is all useless marketing don’t look at that to decide anything

[umbral heron]

E2E latency is all that matters
What is use of 0.5ms or 1ms latency, if image refreshes every ~4ms when on 240Hz?

[umbral heron]

Does DAv3 count as ergo?

Because it is very comfortable to use

[old marlin]

yea

if "ergo" is asymmetrical mice to you

most of them are some iteration of the intellimouse explorer 3.0, with razer settign the original direction with the habu, the EC is somewhat inbetween that and the ie3.0

[late grove]

You dodged a bullet.

Yes.

[old marlin]

the deathadder is basically a habu with a wide front flare, the new ones are between a habu and an ec ig

[late grove]

What is your hand size?

[old marlin]

or that they don't fit your hand

yea maybe consider doing finger/hand stretching routines every few hours

[late grove]

Can you.. give measurements?

https://youtu.be/PRwo8AMjAAo

It's happening...

So, average hand size.

Try Corsair Ironclaw.

[old marlin]

💀

[late grove]

I can guarantee you it will be comfortable.

[old marlin]

my man is just going for full contact minimal rom

[late grove]

What?

[old marlin]

in short: the ironclaw shape sucks for fps unless you got shaq size hands

[late grove]

Yeah a bit on the larger side but it should still work.

[old marlin]

ignoring the weight etc

[late grove]

We are talking about comfort ergo mice.

Not what is best for aim.

[old marlin]

no like even with 21x11cm it sucks

[late grove]

I have 18x9 hands and it's the most comfrotable mouse I ever held.

I would say even better than MX Master.

[old marlin]

also imo it being over 100g is not especially beneficial to reducing strain on wrists

[late grove]

Again, we are talking about comfort ergo mice. If you want something for aim i will recomend an opposite mouse of that.

[old marlin]

na, a somewhat large mouse can work just fine

dav3 for example

[late grove]

I honestly did not like vertical mouse. Tried it for several weeks but could not get used to it.

[old marlin]

vertical mice also are heavily flawed for the mouse part

[late grove]

Or just get the iron claw

[old marlin]

if you can find one that fits you

[late grove]

Or at least try it at your local tech store that I am sure will have it.

[old marlin]

or any place outside the US

corsair performs really bad in retail in most of the world

[late grove]

I am in EU btw.

[old marlin]

yea they had an ironclaw on display at the alternate HQ

never seen it in "regular" hardware retail stores

[late grove]

The local Mediamarkt here has like all Corsair mice.

[old marlin]

[late grove]

Welcome to the world of ergos

It's not too late to turn back

[old marlin]

it also has a shape that basically forces full contact

even with larger hands

[wheat plume]

How do I get my friend to realise that Opera GX is just Chromium with a new UI? cause it is

yeah .-.

She also calls Firefox a "backwoods dogwater browser", her words, not mine

backwoods, as if no one heard of it...

nah, she said this for many many years

[late grove]

Average normie behaviour.

[wheat plume]

shes always used Opera, then moved to Opera GX when that came out

[late grove]

Opera GX is so bloated, my old alienware laptop actually could not run it.

[wheat plume]

Maybe...

[wheat plume]

LOL, I dont doubt that

[ashen spindle]

FF has almost less users than opera these days so yeah

[wheat plume]

Imma make my own browser in Godot engine

[ashen spindle]

or depending at what numbers you look at FF already has less users tahn opera for a while so it is kinda backwoods for some

[livid charm]

is the gmmk 3 comparable to wooting keyboards ?

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[old marlin]

at least it ain't a ccp browser that makes most of it's money with loanshark microloan apps

[old marlin]

I mean you can compare it, yea

[livid charm]

yeah just thinking of what to get after i get all the wooting keyboards

[old marlin]

[wheat plume]

yeh xd

Firefox now make their money from AI though

[old marlin]

so the same as everyone else

at this point in time it is still rather easy to clean FF up to not do that

without relying on an entirely different build or something

[wheat plume]

Firefox best browser cause I can make it look like a GNOME GTK4 app

[old marlin]

hell na

[wheat plume]

I enabled the AMOLED theme

but default it uses the same color as LibAdwaita

[ashen spindle]

does it matter if they know it or not?

[wheat plume]

Id rather they not use a sketchy browser....

[ashen spindle]

thats any of them just in different flavor

[old marlin]

all of them are

[wheat plume]

They arent going to

[steep creek]

even default firefox is sketchy these days

[wheat plume]

I also said my wifi was being shit that youtube wont load and she immediately said "damn, Android gang lagging"

I was on desktop...

yes

She also calls Android backwoods

and that apps always crash and lag on it and photos look horrible from it

Yes, back in Android 4 days LOL that would be true

[ashen spindle]

have you considered just ignoring whatever she says

[old marlin]

they seem like a person that doesn't know their shit

so why listen to them

[ashen spindle]

since she clearly doesnt want to change her opinion

[wheat plume]

She once said that when I visit her house, she wont let me connect my "virus riddled" Android to her wifi

[old marlin]

why do you hang out with them lol

[wheat plume]

Online...

in a server

[old marlin]

in general

[wheat plume]

idk

[old marlin]

they just seem to act like a dick

from the limited information you gave us

[ashen spindle]

sounds like someone I'd just ignore/block/ban if its always this attitude

[wheat plume]

anytime tech comes up, she always says something to diss Android

even if its not about Android or iPhone or mobile

Yeah...

[ashen spindle]

sounds like block and move on

[frozen ingot]

people are ignorant, news at 5

once you get older you realize more and more there is no use trying to convince some people

[wheat plume]

Yeah...ive already reached that with her

[frozen ingot]

and you're just wasting the precious time and energy you have left on this earth trying to do so

there will always be morons, just do your own thing

[fair gull]

so the supposed 9.9 CVE got leaked and the blog posted. its about CUPS
https://www.evilsocket.net/2024/09/26/Attacking-UNIX-systems-via-CUPS-Part-I/

[ashen spindle]

Yeah it got overhyped

[wheat plume]

seems I dont have cups installed xd

I only print from my laptop anyway cause I cant move my entire fuckign desktop downstairs to the printer each time

[fair gull]

specifically about cups-browsed service

[wheat plume]

browsed?

[ashen spindle]

Needs to be in a non default configuration and misconfigured firewall from what I saw last night

[frozen ingot]

a depressing truth

[ashen spindle]

So meh

[wheat plume]

OH XD

thats really niche then

I hate filling out forms digitally .-.

such a janky process

The one we have is pretty good, but the ink is absurdly expensive so we rarely use it

[fair gull]

nono the default on most distros is just allow anyone basically cause most is commented out

and with firewall i guess the default should be not exposing cups to the internet but intranet at best

[old marlin]

[fair gull]

man almost like those people calling fax machines to scream at you

[old marlin]

he bought the magnesium copium

[late grove]

What mouse do you have right now?

[old marlin]

ABS is better for weight

than Almag at least

[late grove]

So you made the same mistake twice?

Yes this hump is brutal but it being flatter won't fix the design.

[old marlin]

wtf is that yellow mouse

also don't expect to actually get a decent amount of info from 2d comparisons

[late grove]

You got a fingertip mouse that was upscaled to a way too big size. If i were you I would cancel your order and get the beast mini instead.

[old marlin]

they already were questionable before eloshapes

[late grove]

And if you do value comfort above all else then again, get the Ironclaw.

[old marlin]

how is an FK a fingertip mouse

[late grove]

What is FK? I am talking about beast mini

[old marlin]

which is very much FK inspired

[late grove]

What grip is it made for then in your opinion?

[old marlin]

claw

[late grove]

The only objectively wrong grip there is? Hilarious.

[old marlin]

ok

any other words to further discredit yourself?

[late grove]

But sure. OK let's say you do want to claw it. Where is the back hump to place the back of your palm on?

[old marlin]

you don't get mouse ergonomics, you don't need to go into further details, I get it already

[late grove]

I am trying to claw my beast mini right now and it's straight up not working. How tiny are your hands?

[old marlin]

the mini is an entirely different thing

it is very much an FK inspired shape, and the max is a similar size to an FK1

nope

they aren't static

but specifically with palm you don't do much

basically

why is it so damn hard to find an image of neo using his own stupid mouse

well with an ironclaw it is

[frozen ingot]

everyone has different preferences with both grip and mouse shape

if you're not using the exact mouse and grip I do you are wrong however

[old marlin]

well full palm objectively sucks for fps

[old marlin]

since it directly limits what you can do

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUIh0fOUcrQ

[frozen ingot]

hoping they can turn shit around, less competition is never a good thing

[iron wave]

They'll be fine.

The government will bail them out like they have to other too big to fail companies but I don't see it getting that bad.

RISC-V is pretty cool.

[ashen spindle]

nope its cross licensed so if another company buys intel they wont be able to just make 64bit cpus since thats amds license

[umbral heron]

US Gov will keep them alive by any means necessary
But yeah, it'd be nice if they had their "Zen" moment soon

[frozen ingot]

for the desktop pc market we're still kinda stuck with x86 for the majority of software, games etc

[old marlin]

if that was the case we wouldn't have a duopoly

[umbral heron]

x86 to ARM translation is going quite good now
Of course if we're talking about Linux and macOS

[old marlin]

at the current rate I don't see ARM taking over in the long run

[old marlin]

it ain't that bad on windows

I'd argue it is better on windows than it is on macos (32 bit moment)

[umbral heron]

But it's not like x86 is dead yet

[old marlin]

not by a long shot in desktops

but there are 4 x86 license holders

[ashen spindle]

the reason nvidia wants arm is because that was the only cpu maker they could realistically get

[umbral heron]

Not 3? Intel, AMD and VIA

[ashen spindle]

not because it has any advantages or benefits inherent over x86

[old marlin]

esp the only one where they actually get means of production

[old marlin]

DM&P also got one

[ashen spindle]

and the chinese joint venture

[old marlin]

I think that one managed to inherit it

first off it is incredible hard to make a new CPU, + no market share

also I doubt ARM will perform at the higher end desktop market

at least not better than x86 does

[ashen spindle]

it could eventually just nobody made a high clocking arm chip yet

bit of a chicken egg issue

[old marlin]

yea kinda

[umbral heron]

x86 has still quite a lot of room to grow when it comes to efficiency, and ARM when it comes to power

[wheat plume]

why does Bazzite always have the mic usage indicator always on when in desktop mode?

[reef patrol]

They were jealous of Windows 11 I guess.

[wheat plume]

Yeah, but idk wtf could be using it

[nimble canopy]

qpwgraph can be used to check all audio and video connections

[reef patrol]

Not even Linux respects the user it seems 😄

https://tenor.com/view/shoo-shooshoo-scat-goaway-go-gif-18165817

[frozen ingot]

linux can smell the blood of a newcomer and will bite accordingly

[reef patrol]

But on a serious note, I absolutely hate Microsoft for removing the Win10 taskbar - because unlike it, the Win11 taskbar won't let you hide the microphone icon at all.

[old marlin]

what

[umbral heron]

helvum better reee

[reef patrol]

What information is missing?

[old marlin]

I legit do not know what mic icon you mean

[reef patrol]

Bottom right of your UI. Notification area.

[steep creek]

choice of OS is preference

[wheat plume]

Windows 11 shows a mic, camera or location icon in the taskbar near the system tray if any or all of them or being accessed by software

[steep creek]

fair enough

[nimble canopy]

i dont even need it once a month

[old marlin]

ah

[wheat plume]

😅 dafuq am I looking at?

[steep creek]

i’d be on macos if i could. but windows will do

[umbral heron]

Grpah of sources and sinks

[wheat plume]

if Linux wasnt as great, id switch to macos, I legit cant handle Window's BS

[umbral heron]

And we are back to daily discussion about OS

[steep creek]

yeah it won’t work for everyone. i’m fine with the wallet garden because it works well for my use case. but not everyone will agree

[steep creek]

yes but no i will go back to studying. have fun

[wheat plume]

wallet garden, unintential typo but very accurate

[steep creek]

just sparking a discussion and going away

true

[ashen spindle]

daily unsubstantiated discussion about OS with lack of understanding on either side of the argument? ✅

[steep creek]

[wheat plume]

I know about Linux

and Windows, cause ive used both

[umbral heron]

Noooo
You're smart enough

[steep creek]

unfortunately i got some homework to do haha. have fun

[nimble canopy]

virtual chain source and virtual source are listining to your mic
but nothing is connected to the output of both these sources

[wheat plume]

oh...
I hope it wont cause issues if I disable them then?

[nimble canopy]

it shound be a problem

what a active connection looks like on my end

[wheat plume]

o

[umbral heron]

[wheat plume]

why is your controller and input and output soruce?

[nimble canopy]

after tying helvum qpwgraphf feels much better to use and hase more information but way less orginised

[wheat plume]

going off the name, qpwgraph is a QT application?

[umbral heron]

Because Dualsense has mic and 2 sets of outputs
FL/FR is audio jack
RL/RR is... vibration motors

[digital cliff]

my entire system is just this right now lmao

[wheat plume]

ooo

[wheat plume]

sings that one Nicki Minaj song

LOL

why does Firefox play audio to a virtual sink? its playing via my speakers but its not connected to them here?

[wheat plume]

🤔 ooh

[nimble canopy]

helvum does tell me if the connection is fully active with full lines or dottet lines

[wheat plume]

when I pause the video on Firefox, the line goes back to being dotted

[umbral heron]

It shows as continuous line only if that connection is actively used, aka if there's audio going though it

[wheat plume]

yep

[old marlin]

https://x.com/yoh2_sdj/status/1839540083856392672

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