🔌│tech

[old marlin]

idk, if you tried to use your meterology-level ears to pick out astral radiation that hit the magnetic band while recording or something

the regular ones are already a turnoff for me

[frozen ingot]

same, having that shit on your packaging is big cringe to me

[old marlin]

even worse, the moondrop TWS ones talk to you

[distant tapir]

This would only make sense if digital didn't already capture all the information within audible band. You can't get more detail than that, that would mean capture things that don't exist.
Digital is always better than analogue. Or well, more accurate (= higher fidelity). Whether master tape, vinyl, whatever.

[old marlin]

oh, fair

[sudden imp]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-black-funny-i-am-steve-minecraft-movie-minecraft-gif-5160011517617965793

[old marlin]

would not agree on the last part necessarily, analogue tech allows you for a few more options and you can get "distortion free" changes that would be basically impossible to recreate digitally

but that basically does not matter to "normal" people including enthusiasts

vinyl is also very far from perfect and there is a reason that enthusiasts preferred multiple different analogue and digital formats over the years

if you get vinyl for "higher quality" sound you are doing something wrong

[distant tapir]

I can understand liking how vinyl sounds (even though I don't). It's completely valid. But it is 100% lower fidelity than CD.

[old marlin]

yea

tbh most modern digital audio stuff is also MASSIVE overkill

[frozen ingot]

jack noooo

[old marlin]

CD sinad was ~93 db iirc?

[frozen ingot]

[old marlin]

meanwhile people say that your equipment should at least hit 110

[distant tapir]

When people try to perfect vinyl set ups they are basically just trying to compete with CD only to fail.

[late grove]

Steve is now canonically a fat neckbeard. What a time to be alive.

[old marlin]

I mean if you see them adding tube amps to it you know they wanna go somewhere else

[distant tapir]

16 bit? 16 bit has a theoretical dynamic range of 96 dB (which is extremely high).

[old marlin]

ah, 96

[distant tapir]

People can only hear diffs between 16 and 24 bit if playing an audio track where nothing is happening and then turning the amplifier waaaay the fuck up to maybe hear a noise floor.

[old marlin]

basically

[distant tapir]

Since that isn't a reasonable scenario I convert any 24 bit files I may have down to 16 to save space with zero audio quality loss.

[old marlin]

now gl hitting even that with some music

[umbral heron]

But 120MB flacs

[distant tapir]

I don't think there's a dac in existence that can even resolve 24 bits of dynamic range.

[old marlin]

there probably is

but I would love to see the difference after playinng it through a headphone

[distant tapir]

I think Topping D90 can get to 22 bits?

Okay nvm.

Almost 21.

That's extremely good. But still not 24 bits.

[old marlin]

yea

now go on an listen to a bootleg version of hte grey album

cause very copy out there, be it fully digital or not is bootleg

or you get artists producing entirely in garage band

[distant tapir]

Consumer analog cassette tapes have a dynamic range of 60 to 70 dB. Analog FM broadcasts rarely have a dynamic range exceeding 50 dB.[4] The dynamic range of a direct-cut vinyl record may surpass 70 dB. Analog studio master tapes can have a dynamic range of up to 77 dB.[5] An LP made out of perfect diamond has an atomic feature size of about 0.5 nanometer, which, with a groove size of 8 micron, yields a theoretical dynamic range of 110 dB. An LP made out of perfect vinyl LP would have a theoretical dynamic range of 70 dB.[6] Measurements indicate maximum actual performance in the 60 to 70 dB range.[7] Typically, a 16-bit analog-to-digital converter may have a dynamic range of between 90 and 95 dB,[8]: 132

[old marlin]

a "perfect LP" would not work unless you had a perfect player to go along with it

[distant tapir]

Yeah. Bad gear can really downgrade the performance of vinyls.

And maintenance. Yuck.

[old marlin]

no like, the way vinyls work relies on the wide grooves

[late grove]

Holo May can do 24 bits afaik.

[urban lynx]

i mean i very much like my vinyls, thank you very much good sirs and ladies.

[distant tapir]

No way an R2R dac can do that.

[old marlin]

it is not that they are bad, but they are "imperfect" in a specific way

[urban lynx]

that said i did invest into decent needlings and stuff.

but i very much just really enjoy the vibes of putting on some LPs

[gusty nexus]

What does a R2R dac mean ?
Fiio has a low cost R2R dac called the Fiio k11

[distant tapir]

I saw Holo May measurements a long time ago and it measured very well but R2R is still the inferior and outdated technology to delta-sigma.

[distant tapir]

It's 'it's old so therefore it must be good' stuff. Don't buy it.

[late grove]

https://youtu.be/HOvubnenXyo
This video explains it really well.

[old marlin]

reminds me

[distant tapir]

I have the one in the thumbnail (RME ADI-2 DAC FS).

[old marlin]

finally got convinced to listen through to pimp a butterfly and it might be one of the most meh albums I have listened to

[gusty nexus]

I've already watched it but too technical, I need to rewatch it to understand everything (I'm french)

[old marlin]

maybe I need to warm up to it more but it just felt kinda inferior to some other ones

[distant tapir]

I like Good Kid Mad City way more.

[old marlin]

not as much of a disappointment as the king of the mischievous south part 2 was at least

[distant tapir]

To answer more fully yes it is an older and inferior technology. Delta-sigma chips are cheaper and better. Keep in mind huge companies are spending absolute fortunes on perfecting delta-sigma tech. Just ignore R2R anything. You're paying more for nothing good in return.

[urban lynx]

Oh would you look at the time?

Time to go grab my curry left overs from work earlier / yesterday

[gusty nexus]

Doesn't really answer my question 😅

[old marlin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistor_ladder

refers to the technology used to create an analogue signal

[gusty nexus]

Okay and what does "delta-sigma" do better than the other tech ?

[gusty nexus]

Okay thanks you

[old marlin]

most obvious one would probably be reduction in variances on basically all ends, unit to unit would be smaller as well as frequency response in general

making an accurate resistor network of any kind can get expensive so you might as well use the better methods we know of by now

[gusty nexus]

Okay 👀

[late grove]

They are 2 different ways to convert audio. One is not better than the other.
I personally cannot hear a difference between DACs.

It's always the amplifier that matters.

[gusty nexus]

I know

[distant tapir]

Everything.

[old marlin]

a well made R2R can sound good, but making an R2R to be decent at this point just does not really make much economic sense

[gusty nexus]

I see

[late grove]

Can you hear a difference between DACs?

[old marlin]

and the "higher end" ones require more and more PCB space which comes with other potential issues that you need to work around

[old marlin]

depends on the DAC, 2 well made ones, probably not, no

[gusty nexus]

What good delta-sigma dac is on the market currently ?

[late grove]

Have you tried?

[old marlin]

not with proper A B testing

[late grove]

Used Zen Dac for 50 bucks is all you need.

[distant tapir]

There are good R2R dacs. And by good I mean that they sound the same as any decent/good delta-sigma. R2R is usually more expensive. So hard to recommend.

[old marlin]

yea that is basically what it boils down to

[late grove]

That's a no then.

[old marlin]

you absolutely can make a good R2R one, it just costs more to make it that way

[late grove]

I am using an R2R DAC right now

[thin axle]

Isn't delta sigma superior to R2R ladders?

[late grove]

They are all the same.

[distant tapir]

Yes.

[old marlin]

latter is expensive to make well

[late grove]

As far as I know Holo May is "technically" the best DAC there is and that one is R2R.

[old marlin]

and at best it sounds as good as the other one

[late grove]

Does it matter? No.

[gusty nexus]

I don't need to upgrade for now, I'm just planning my endgame setup for the future 😅
I just don't really know what dac to choose..

[thin axle]

What if I have a Yggdrasil DAC?

[distant tapir]

R2R dacs are CRTs if CRTs had zero advantages over LEDs.

[late grove]

Good for you I guess?

[thin axle]

Have you tried one before Ary?? 😮

[late grove]

Except clarity, refreshrate, resolution, color volume and contrast...

[umbral heron]

Audiophiles in natural habitat are indeed fascinating creatures

[late grove]

So.. more or less everything.

[old marlin]

and if you look inside you can see the issues with R2R, the resistor networks are on entirely separate PCBs and have tons of shielding around them

[late grove]

No. Never tried any of the Schiit stuff.

[distant tapir]

Uhm achkually my CRT can reach 700 Hz (unironically).

At 120p.

[old marlin]

most of those are things we can do well now, ghosting not tho

[thin axle]

Please continue, can you take apart steam decks to build a large mondo DAC? 😄

[late grove]

I do wonder what would've happend if CRT wasn't abandoned. How far we would come with 20 years of progress since the death of CRTs.

[gusty nexus]

Yes

[distant tapir]

'It's old, clunky and expensive to manifacture so it must be better'

[old marlin]

what about a 1 bit ADC that can operate in the MHz range

[old marlin]

at best maybe ones that are more wear resistant

but CRTs would have always been kinda heavy and bulky to some extent

[gusty nexus]

So do you guys know any ?

[late grove]

Yes but I do think we would be gaming at 4K 500hz by now with those given how much ahead they were of LCDs initially.

[old marlin]

yea too bad that companies wanted smaller lighter and cheaper

[distant tapir]

My CRT has very noticeable 'ghosting' (phosphor decay). Like 100-200ms. They are so flawed.

[late grove]

I already answered you. If you go by the logic of "expensive = better" then Rockna Wavedream is at your service.

[lyric hatch]

They also are the reason for the term burn in

[old marlin]

OLEDs are basically the modern equivalent

[steep creek]

me with my bluetooth earbuds reading chat

[old marlin]

at the current rate they will just get a lot better in a few years

in any way

[ashen spindle]

mhh yes I would love using a crt screen on my phone

[steep creek]

lol

[old marlin]

[umbral heron]

Me boi

[old marlin]

where is the weight for that ps2

[distant tapir]

Geometry is a somewhat overlooked CRT issue by a lot of people. It's great not needing to think about that nonsense with LEDs.

[distant tapir]

Kawaii.

[gusty nexus]

I "need" something really good for the price at a reasonable price (less than 2k)

[balmy vector]

wanna share it with me? i could kill for some CRT animal crossing

[late grove]

I cannot hear the difference between DACs and probably neither can you. Go find out if you can and if you can't then get the cheapest that has all the outputs that you need.

[old marlin]

why is your window telling you it is alarm protected on the inside

[late grove]

I myself have EF499 as it matches my setup and doubles as a solid amp that I can quickly switch on when I don't want to bother engaging my tubes.

[frozen ingot]

those stickers are often double sided

[steep creek]

yeah they are. have a few of exactly those in my area too

[old marlin]

ah

[distant tapir]

Yeah I think everybody (me included) kind of forgets how bad human hearing actually is. You can go to ASR and find a random dac that measured 'poorly' and ended up in the 'meh' category and I still don't think I'd be able to hear a difference between it and a Topping D90.

Human hearing sucks.

[old marlin]

"DACs" is a very broad range

[late grove]

More or less yes.

[old marlin]

an old adlib had a DAC

[gusty nexus]

My hearing change everyday 😅

[late grove]

And that's why it sucks.

Can't even stay consistent.

[old marlin]

I doubt that you could hear the difference between a cheap af decent one and a high end one nowadays

[umbral heron]

My hearing is pretty good
But I'm almost blind, so...
I had to be nerfed in some other way

[old marlin]

human hearing still sucks

[balmy vector]

the monkeys paw curls

[old marlin]

and depends on a ton of factors that change every time as well

[distant tapir]

I know I couldn't hear the diff between an Apple dongle and a Holo May.

[old marlin]

yea basically something like that

would be hard to A B test tho

[latent mural]

I have optic nerve damage at the back of my right eye, so I have to wear glasses.

Perrmanetly.

[old marlin]

rip

[gusty nexus]

It's because I'm always tired, some day I hear more stuff in my music than some other day

[old marlin]

got good vision and hearing luckily

[latent mural]

Yeah it sucks, but I'll livef, and yeah my hearing is good.

[late grove]

Had bad vision. Got it fixed with laser surgery.

[latent mural]

My eyes are healthy, but it's just something I have to live with.

[late grove]

And my hearing seems to be good despite my ears being regularly clogged by vax.

I can hear above 20khz

[distant tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-space-gif-18047283

[latent mural]

Yeah that's good thing.

[distant tapir]

[late grove]

How do I hide posts?

[gusty nexus]

[latent mural]

But again my eye sight isn't as strong without glasses, I see better with them because I'm short sighted so I can only see them because of distance issues.

[umbral heron]

My friend on the other hand - great vision
But has musical hearing of level one - recognizes when music plays

[lyric hatch]

I don't think I can hear above 13k my hearing is shot

[old marlin]

are you like 6?

[late grove]

I would love to joke about my age but I already got 3 accounts banned that way so I will pass this time.

[latent mural]

RIP

[distant tapir]

I can probably also hear 20k if I boost that frequency a ton and pump the volume of my amp up to deafening levels. In regular 'comfortably loud' listening I reach somewhere between 16 and 17 kHz (this also of course depends a bit on the headphones).

(I'm 24)

[old marlin]

seems like a good way to melt off some of that hearing in a rapid manner

[sudden glen]

guys is it normal for me to not have a delivery date anymore on the website for my order? i had one yesterday

[umbral heron]

I could hear 17k and had 9/10 on 15k blind test

[steep creek]

you asked in general chat already so best to keep it there

[distant tapir]

Honestly there's not even really any music up at those frequencies.

[old marlin]

yea typically artists are old af + exposed to loud noise a lot anyways

[lyric hatch]

Fr concerts are ludicrously loud

[old marlin]

then add their uhhhh

behaviours with certain substances

that typically go along

[frozen ingot]

iirc last time I checked my ears tapped out around 13-15khz

[old marlin]

last time I did I could hear 17 at most

[distant tapir]

Are you old? (30+)

[misty matrix]

[old marlin]

I mean it typically would be either that or working close to loud machinery

without proper ear protection

[umbral heron]

In 6 years you'll change your definition of old

[frozen ingot]

38 this winter

[old marlin]

for ears 30 is already old

[frozen ingot]

had tinnitus for most of my life too

[distant tapir]

Not true. Old technically just means 'older than me' meaning it will never happen to me.

[umbral heron]

[lyric hatch]

28 and I'm about the same don't worry 👴

Tinnitus also

[frozen ingot]

no sweatin I've known my hearings been a bit messed up since forever

but even if its not you lose those high freqs at this age

[old marlin]

yea it is a constant decline

[umbral heron]

Mine is messed up too
I can't even go to cinema for example without plugs, otherwise my ears and head start to hurt and I can hear ringing in my ears

[lyric hatch]

Pretty much everything goes down after about 25

[old marlin]

hearing starts before that actually

[misty matrix]

I cant wait to be old

[old marlin]

basically constant decline from when you are born

at around 25 your smell actually starts becoming worse iirc

[frozen ingot]

back pains go brrrrr

[steep creek]

get a few zinc alloy cases from wooting and deadlift. your back will be strong

[frozen ingot]

work for wooting support and your back will pulverize trying to carry the workload

[umbral heron]

I am stretching my back for 10 minutes everyday, no more back pain

[steep creek]

i move around a ton, the days i don’t my back gets more stiff and hurts

[frozen ingot]

yep luckily my adhd keeps me restless enough to move about regularly

but yeah sometimes its enough to sleep in a weird angle for one night and get crippled for the next 3 days

[steep creek]

hah yes have had that with my neck. sit stand desk also has helped me quite a bit with moving more

[old marlin]

Good chair + good mattress does wonders

[umbral heron]

Or a broken couch

[frozen ingot]

I miss my teenage invulnerability

I'd get banged up so often and just shrug it off

[old marlin]

Tbh only thing that kinda got worse for me so far is knees

[frozen ingot]

now you could get murdered by a door handle or somethin

oh yea my right knee is fucked

[old marlin]

But those will be fucked at some point anyways since i am tall and not severly underweight

[frozen ingot]

hurts so bad weighing on that after a while

[steep creek]

i haven’t noticed any decline yet tbh but i’m 22. will see in a few years

[old marlin]

They just kinda don't feel great nost of the time

[frozen ingot]

for me most of the obvious stuff started around early 30s but differs for everyone I think

genetics, how active you are and so on

[steep creek]

i see

[wheat plume]

Is there a way to change my display resolution on Android???

Not pixel density or scaling

The actual resolution
Id like to drop it down to 1080p to play games at higher fps

[distant tapir]

I did that on my S8 years ago so I assume so.

[wheat plume]

Samsung let you do it natively if the resolution is higher than 1080p
But they are the only brand that seems to offer that setting

[old marlin]

Depends on your rom

Most don't

[wheat plume]

Yeh ;_;

Can it be changed over ADB?

[old marlin]

Samsung only started offering it once they got stupid high resolutions for vr iirc

[wheat plume]

Oo...
Pixel Pro models seem to have that setting too

[old marlin]

1440p on a sub 7" device just doesn't make a whole lot of use and draws power unnecessarily

[wheat plume]

yeh for sure, its a total waste

[old marlin]

Yea the s8 had 570ppi

Stuff now is barely above 500 at best

[urban lynx]

Jeez my night... stand? Shelf next to my bed, is in direct competition to a tech store display unit. Phones, smart watch, tablets, icuding one ms surface...

[wheat plume]

570 is fucking wild

[old marlin]

I got a pile consisting of a steam deck, a quest 3 and several audio devices next to my bed atm

[umbral heron]

Welcome to the club, but mine is also a potential fire hazard

[wheat plume]

.....I want a quest 3

[lyric hatch]

Yeah was kinda wild Sony did 4k phones for so long and now they went straight to 1080p on their latest flagship

[urban lynx]

Nah game stuff is in the living room...

No free sockets left in the bedroom haha

[wheat plume]

4k is only needed at like 24 inches display size

well, maybe higher, 1440p is fine for 24 - 30 inches

[urban lynx]

Oops, oh no

[old marlin]

Don't got a real living room

[urban lynx]

Waaaat

[old marlin]

Tbh it is kinda insane how good vr stuff got

[umbral heron]

My room is our living room

[old marlin]

Like i have a "living room" but there only is a couch in that, that i got as a gift wit the apartment

I don't even own a tv

[urban lynx]

Oh wow, haha

I had no couch until last month

[old marlin]

I sat on it like twice

[urban lynx]

And my tv is half as old as i am at this point

[umbral heron]

I have two TVs
And a fire extinguisher, was really useful after my old PSU decided to elect a new pope

[wheat plume]

Quest 3 is still hella pricey where I live 😢

about 500 for the base model :/

[old marlin]

Isn't everything

[urban lynx]

I might upgrade tv

Dunno yet

[umbral heron]

Good ol' 2009 1080p Toshiba, don't need nothing more

[urban lynx]

Didnt u have like similiar model as i did?

[distant tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/heather-mason-cheryl-dead-by-daylight-silent-hill-gif-20921023

A 2004 CRT is all ya need

[umbral heron]

[old marlin]

Would look quite bad if it saw constant use

[distant tapir]

Probably. Mine has 8k hours I think. Looks very good.

[umbral heron]

Mine CRT is from 1997

[wheat plume]

Yes
But the price of the Quest 3 is like 200 euro cheaper in America .-.

[distant tapir]

One of the classrooms I go to has a huge 16:9 CRT TV in.

[urban lynx]

Does that include tax?

[wheat plume]

Tax wouldn't be 200 right?!

[urban lynx]

I mean u should be able to look the rate up

[ashen spindle]

pricing is the same in the us if you consider tax and everything..

[wheat plume]

Hmm
Possibly

[umbral heron]

560€ here

[ashen spindle]

if anything with current rates its a bit cheaper here sometimes

[wheat plume]

Tbf
Id mostly play Beat Saber and VR horror maps on gmod and half life

And beat saber would only be the case if I'm good at it...

[umbral heron]

You could play Beat Saber on Google Cardboard and two PS3 Move controllers

[ashen spindle]

nah the tracking is horse shit on old controllers

for trying it sure but not once you play more than idk 5 hours

[wheat plume]

I thought Cardboard died well before beat saber released?

[urban lynx]

This thing?

[wheat plume]

O.o

[umbral heron]

It was, oh it was shit
And lag from streaming PC to mobile was abysmal

[old marlin]

[urban lynx]

I dont know of i'd trust that seller though. Lol

[ashen spindle]

yeah seems like a seller with very mixed reviews

so wouldnt trust that

[wheat plume]

Might be broken or damaged in some way

[umbral heron]

Or may be a box full of potato

[urban lynx]

Mmmm taters

[umbral heron]

Kartofle best vegetable

[wheat plume]

Carrots and cucumber are great too

[urban lynx]

Kartoffel is good as fries or chips, yes

[wheat plume]

Yep
Or creamy mash

[umbral heron]

Carrots are great
A must have in ragu bolognese

[wheat plume]

Now I really want a seafood pie

[umbral heron]

And I want cottage pie and some kofola

[lucid robin]

is wooting 60he module plate plastic or metal

[umbral heron]

PC plate, polycarbonate

[thin axle]

No steam VR?

[lucid robin]

so thays plastic

[umbral heron]

Yup, pre-built one comes with steel plate

[lucid robin]

fuck i thought i saved another 20

[ashen spindle]

everything has steamvr if you connect it to pc

[thin axle]

You dun get it.. lol

[final flame]

@umbral heron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVtoN_lwg3o

[distant tapir]

Inside reminds me a bit of the Z1R.

[mint path]

Does anyone know the maximum amount of polling rate the wooting60he can support?

[magic minnow]

don't know what colored iPhone to get Black or Desert

Meant to type 1K for you lol

[mint path]

Lmao

[magic minnow]

80HE can go up to 8K

[sudden imp]

Did you use the enterprise version of windows?

[jaunty rose]

It only supports 1khz
Also polling rate on keyboards is just marketing btw, nothing special

You wont notice the difference between 1k and 8k

Oh wait someone answered that already

Sorry for the ping

The new gpu in the ps5 pro is reported to be as powerful as a 7800xt

Sadly 0 games

Overpriced console 💔

Could buy the RX 7800xt for literally as much as the base ps5

Anyways thats enough shitting on playstations poor decisions, good night tater tot gang

[spare wedge]

Honestly I wouldn’t really call it overprice yet

We don’t really know how capable it really is until someone gets their hands on it

$700 for a console is a lot nevertheless

[shy scarab]

Can someone explain to me what I do if I ordered the Wooting 60he without having an account on the page, and when I want to track my order it appears in the account with the same email with which I purchased the order that I have no purchase

[steady sail]

When did u ordered your 60he ?

[shy scarab]

just now lol, but it appears to me that it will arrive on September 18, the thing is that I want to track my order but I don't know how, or it still can't be tracked, sorry if I seem very ignorant

[steady sail]

The tracking starts after ur order was handed to the delivery company

[shy scarab]

okay, thx seriously, i was worried lol, thx bro

[gray gazelle]

today arrives my wooting

[spare wedge]

Mid November arrives my wooting

[shrewd cipher]

Most likely good performance for the price, but thats due to the consoles selling for less than they are worth.. The strategy with them is to make money over time with more expensive games and the subscription bs, basically paying twice for using ur internet..

[unkempt lake]

https://www.guru3d.com/story/intel-will-again-issue-stability-issues-in-13th-and-14th-gen-core-processors-in-september-update/

More fixes

[hidden sundial]

same : )

[shadow mural]

'unrelated to wooting but anyone know why my 2, w, s, x keys press 2 keys to their left?

[digital cliff]

shorting between the columns somehow

[gray gazelle]

It arrives!!!

[reef patrol]

[jaunty rose]

I payed that much for my original chonky ps5 and it came with 2 controllers, the media controller, 3 $70 triple A titles and the $100 sony pulse headphones

[fair gull]

man am i glad thomann repaired my srh840 headphones

i guess repair is thomann speak for replace

[bold coyote]

it couldnt be saved anymore

F

[wheat plume]

same for most places xd

[fair gull]

i guess i have a pair of 840a to give to someone now

[wheat plume]

o?

[frozen ingot]

I should order some new ear pads for my M50s

aliexpress go brrrrr

[fair gull]

well you see i was happy they said thell send my srh8470 to the repair center cause thomann doesnt have any of those anymore and they dont just fold flat but fold in. and folding flat just aint fitting in my backpack i usually use

my plan was basically keep the hd560s at my desk and keep the repaired srh840 in my backpack

[leaden kiln]

How is the comfort on the 840As, I have a pair of 440s and they are so insanely uncomfortable

[umbral heron]

https://www.phoronix.com/news/RADV-Pipeline-Binary-Merged

[cyan thunder]

i got these w my wooting what are they used for?

[fair gull]

they are still CIB i havent opened it

[fair gull]

spares

[cyan thunder]

got it thanks

[digital cliff]

what does this mean

[umbral heron]

That we'll be able to skip Vulkan pipeline compilation if the game has native Vulkan shader compilation and use it
Which a lot of UE5 games do

[digital cliff]

this didn't help me 😔

[umbral heron]

Less stutters and better performance in UE games on Radeon cards

[crimson wigeon]

That is not how I understand it

[digital cliff]

when the linux geniuses can't agree on what's going on on linux

[crimson wigeon]

I understand it as games managing shader caches themselves, so now shader caches can be all over your system instead of just in ~./.cache/mesa_shader_cache_db

[leaden kiln]

Genius

[umbral heron]

Well, yeah, but the game has to implement pipeline_binary extension
Which mostly UE games do, because on Windows -vulkan is a golden hammer for all problems with UE5 on AMD

[digital cliff]

well I don't understand a word but if it makes my games run better I'm happy

though I don't know if I have any UE5 games

[umbral heron]

I mostly play Unity and Source games

[late grove]

I don't think I have seen a single UE4/UE5 game run on Vulkan despite the engine supporting it.

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah because it's just worse performance and less features

[late grove]

Forcing DX12 however works pretty much every time and can give a nice performance boost on older UE4 titles that ship with DX11 by default.
Usually this results in more GPU work and less CPU work.

[halcyon moss]

I'm currently running satisfactory in it

Dx12 had weird graphical issues

[vagrant pagoda]

Also most of the included shadets are vulkan last time I used ue5

[severe phoenix]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/final-fantasy-xvi-god-of-war-ragnarok-geforce-game-ready-driver/

[fierce terrace]

wait is there already god of war ragnarok on pc?

[ashen spindle]

this month

[severe phoenix]

This is like the third driver with supporrt for it too, kinda funny

[fierce terrace]

whats funny

actually impressive that they optimize drivers before the game comes out and not after

[ashen spindle]

thats not impressive thats mandatory lmao

[severe phoenix]

Oh I just mean to keep adding like "Best driver for God of War / FFXVI" 3 drivers in a row

Square has also been updating the demo. Things are lookin good

[unkempt lake]

We aint getting UW tho

Its been confirmed

[ashen spindle]

not at launch yes

[unkempt lake]

Not at all

[ashen spindle]

where is that from

[unkempt lake]

It's not like space marine where they said we're updating it

[severe phoenix]

We got UW already

[unkempt lake]

Ff7 never got official UW support

[ashen spindle]

last interview they literally said they couldnt make it into the launch and will add it later

this isnt ff7

[unkempt lake]

They backported the pc mod from ff7

[severe phoenix]

For one, there's a method to do it in the game by switching between display mods

[ashen spindle]

same publisher different dev team

[unkempt lake]

Nah ur confusing it with space marine

[severe phoenix]

Modes*

And for second, there's LYalls fix which is fantastic.

[unkempt lake]

Inever managed to get it working

[severe phoenix]

https://github.com/Lyall/FFXVIFix

[ashen spindle]

no I am very certain since I read 0 interviews about spacemarine 😛

[severe phoenix]

He's a member of SpecialK's discord

he discusses this in real time

[ashen spindle]

and I know both yoshi-p as well as another producer talked about UW support specifcalkly

[severe phoenix]

Good guy.

Yoshi-P himself said he plays his games in Ultrawide, so it'll come 😛

Either way this mod will be available day 1 from Lyall

[ashen spindle]

i spend too much time in and around 14 to mix something about that team up with space marine which I dont care about

[unkempt lake]

Guess i'll just use that

[severe phoenix]

SpecialK is a magical place.

[ashen spindle]

https://twistedvoxel.com/final-fantasy-xvi-pc-frame-rate-ultra-wide-mouse-kb/ march I believe was the first mention of UW

[severe phoenix]

We stole the ducksip emoji there too, so got a little of Wooting

[reef patrol]

Oh wow. A whole one hundred FPS? We truly are dining fine.

[unkempt lake]

Glad to see i was wrong

Just wish it was at launch

[ashen spindle]

over, it supports up to 240

[unkempt lake]

Same for space marine

It's frustrating lol

[reef patrol]

What an oddly phrased title then 😄

[ashen spindle]

I mean it could still make it in for release

[severe phoenix]

lol

[unkempt lake]

Feels half baked not shipping the game with UW

[severe phoenix]

Well it barely kept 30FPS on PS5, so 100 seems like a lot.

[ashen spindle]

no its because he talks in the interview how fps will vary, like you using ultra wide will result in less than normal aspect ratio

so its just taking his words

[severe phoenix]

Japanese code, folded 1000 times. Very strong.

[ashen spindle]

Right now our engineers are working on that optimization and figuring out what the limits are. We've seen some hardware getting that framerate up over 100 (fps) in places, but again, it's going to depend on the hardware that you have

[reef patrol]

I find it odd. Cause historically their games have had issues with engine limitations.
I don't care if SETUP X can run the game at Y FPS. I care about what the game can SUPPORT 😄

[ashen spindle]

its a modified 14 engine

and again, this was from march

and if you want other answers tell them to ask different questions, they arent going to tell you something nobody asked them 😛

[severe phoenix]

Well, it isn't a modified 14 Engine actually

They have the same origins is all.

[reef patrol]

Noes

[severe phoenix]

XVI uses another offshoot of Crystal Tools,

They have a little in common, but not much

[ashen spindle]

hm yeah guess I remembered some badly translated part from an interview

In the initial stages, verification was conducted using Unreal Engine 4 and the real-time visualization software Marmoset Toolbag, but it was difficult to reach the finer details, so the FFXIV engine was extended to allow rendering in a PBR environment, and a full-time programmer was assigned to build the environment and shader area.

thats what I remembered but I guess that doesnt tell too much detail

[whole iron]

any recommendations for powered desktop speakers? Budget ~$250, Bluetooth not needed and due to size constraints cannot use full size bookshelf speakers

[compact relic]

ive had logitech z623 for longer than i can remember

must be over 10 years, they still sound really good and the bass is deep

[bright briar]

who ever thought paper straws was a good idea in canada needs to go to prison

[pastel nacelle]

Here have a straw that will collapse in 5 seconds.

Replace politician iced coffee with paper straws

See how they feel.

[bright briar]

youre a man of conviction, please run in Canada next election for PM

[jaunty rose]

[pastel nacelle]

That looks like my robinhood account

Everytime i tell someone to sign up.

[jaunty rose]

I invested $5, went down and than went back up to $5

[wild coyote]

[pastel nacelle]

I had $50 in robinhood money i wasn't allowed to take out.

I invested in doge before wallstreet hodl.

[jaunty rose]

I invested into AMD just to see how it works

It was a safe option

[bright briar]

why invest when you can do bank heist and take the money

is it stealing if the money is already stolen?

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[pastel nacelle]

Idk robinhood isnt working in peoples favor eitherway.

They limit accessibility if there investors need to make a profit first.

[jaunty rose]

Nah, just got 2 cents from my amd investment, I’m rich

[pastel nacelle]

Nah AMC

Is better

Every year they go up and down several dollars.

[smoky frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5S_sZbAUxI&t=552s

rip for gamer kidneys when the 5090 comes out

[analog sinew]

yeah

the 5090SUPERAI ULTRAAI rAItx

[late grove]

I have been testing DLDSR some more. At first I dismissed it because it made the image look slightly blurrier and slightly reduced bloom in a lot of cases. But it seems to be heavily game dependant. Some games look really good with it.

Screenshot looks oversharpened for some reason but you can see that even with that oversharpening there is minimal aliasing but a lot of detail. In person it looks better.

[smoky frigate]

I find DLDSR very odd looking until you turn the sharpening to 0

then it's alright

[ashen spindle]

pictures dont show the artifacts that you see in movement

[late grove]

There is no sharpening. Only smoothness. I set smoothness to 0%.

[smoky frigate]

err I mean smoothness, yeah that

[wheat plume]

When the web configuration software is a lie

[little rose]

Anyone have a good recommendation for a good wireless headset?

[balmy vector]

Maxwells are usually the most recommended

[late grove]

I see he did not get the message..

[bright briar]

are they people out there who actually think a ps5 pro can run better than $700 gaming pc?

i got into an argument when people in another server who thinks a ps5 pro runs better than a $700 gaming pc💀

they had to be trolling for sure

[wispy umbra]

100% Trolling

(I hope for them)

[late grove]

Unless you got your PC used or on a killer deal then yes PS5 will most likely be faster.

[bright briar]

that or they were little kids. They sounded like they had no pc knowledge whats so ever

[bright briar]

amd ryzen 7 5800x is $169 on amazon

[wispy umbra]

And then writing Ps5 is better 💀

[dull hollow]

i want to upgrade my cpu but id need to replace my mb and ram as well

[bright briar]

yeah i always been amazed when people think a ps5 can run "true native 4k at 120hz" when its a marketing scam for consoles

[late grove]

Maybe US prices are so much better it's possible to build a new PC there for PS5 Pro price.
In EU it's not that easy.

[bright briar]

im sure you can find deals to make a good gaming pc for the same price as a ps5 pro

[dull hollow]

how much better is the 9700x over the 7700x

its a $50 difference between the 2 deals im looking at

[bright briar]

if its $50 difference than get the better one

[gusty nexus]

Just buy the 7800x3d

[wispy umbra]

Imagine a PS5 can run a 4K Texture

[late grove]

They are the same.

[dull hollow]

thats a lot more

[gusty nexus]

How much ?

[dull hollow]

150

[bright briar]

people have to spend thousand of dollars to game in true native 4k with 100+ fps but ps5 die hard fan boys think their $700 console can do a better job💀

[dull hollow]

7700x is 50 less then the 9700x combo

[wispy umbra]

I mean it would probably be nice if a Ps5 really can run true native 4K but I mean then I’m at the airport with the sounds and in a microwave

[bright briar]

very true

[gusty nexus]

The 7800x3d is so worth it, maybe you can save even more by buying everything separately ?

[wispy umbra]

I mean i want to have a nice pc for a true native 4K Quality but I don’t know what is good because I don’t have the time to spend on knowing everything about good pcs

[dull hollow]

oh i forgot

would i need to worry about cpu-gpu bottlenecks

am currently using a 2070 super

at 1440p

[gusty nexus]

I think even with the 7700x your system will be GPU bottleneck

[dull hollow]

id need a whole new pc 😅

[balmy vector]

Newer games would more likely have you gpu bound

[dull hollow]

my 3700x is currently always at 100% useage

and the 2070s is around 50-80%

[gusty nexus]

Always ?
On desktop too ??

[dull hollow]

only for a few games like AC, Apex, TFD

[dull hollow]

mb i forgot to name the games in the message

[bright briar]

idk if you know about these sites but this can help youhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/ and https://www.userbenchmark.com/Software

[unkempt lake]

BAD

BADDDD

[dull hollow]

i did recently do a windows wipe and currently idle is 7-11% cpu and 2% gpu

[unkempt lake]

USERBENCHMARK

NO BUENO

[bright briar]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-crying-tears-sad-lookaway-gif-6132814

[dull hollow]

i used partpicker for my current build

[wispy umbra]

Shoot 1 more time against Goku and I’m coming to you

[gusty nexus]

Please not userbenchmark

[unkempt lake]

Pricing for the 7800x3d is kinda getting a little dumb since the 9000 series released

The time to get it ar an all time low was before 9000 released

[gusty nexus]

Yeah I see that 😅

[wispy umbra]

I have your back in this channel @bright briar

[bright briar]

as you can tell its been a while since i build my pc. Dont shame me if you got a better site lmk 🥺

[unkempt lake]

I got mine for 425 cad in june... now it's 569 cad for the cheapest i can find @gusty nexus

[gusty nexus]

That's a lot

[gusty nexus]

Userbenchmark is not good 😅

[leaden kiln]

Biggest amd hater

[bright briar]

what do you use?

[balmy vector]

Userbenchmark is quite the best all-year continuous april fools prank

[wispy umbra]

Can anyone help me with building a good pc? I don’t care about the budget if its not higher then 10K otherwise imma be broke if I hit my pc one time 💀

[unkempt lake]

And the cheapest i could find wasn't even in stock atm lol

[dull hollow]

this is more or less my current pc

[unkempt lake]

Actually nvm newegg canada still has it

[gusty nexus]

For what ?

[dull hollow]

it depends on what games you want to play

[unkempt lake]

Techspot (written version of HBU) has some nice accurate benchmarks
So does techpowerup

[bright briar]

you talked bad about userbenchmark so whats your replacement for it

[bright briar]

is it a fresh build?

[wispy umbra]

I play a lot of games so I can’t say one I prefer but mostly I play League of Legends at the moment, I also play Valorant, CS2, Elden Ring and other games

[bright briar]

i have that ram but in white

[wispy umbra]

It should be completely new yes

[unkempt lake]

I gave you one

[gusty nexus]

Youtube Channel like Gamer Nexus, Hardware Unboxed, Jayztwocents, Hardware Canucks

[dull hollow]

this is considered a decent price for the build cause i bought everthing peak covid 💀

the monitor tho

[unkempt lake]

Jayztwocents is a bit eh for benchmarking he's not bad but his benchmarks aint the most detailed

[dull hollow]

i got robbed

[bright briar]

its okay i spent double the price for mine during covid dont be ashamed. Covid were tough times

[unkempt lake]

It's not decent if it was overpriced during covid

XD

[gusty nexus]

I know but it's not bad content 😅

[unkempt lake]

Agreed

[dull hollow]

would you say elden ring is the most graphic intensive game?

[frozen ingot]

ya'll think that's bad, I had to buy a new gpu in 2021

[dull hollow]

i had everything except a gpu 🥲

[bright briar]

you already have monitors and etc? or you need those too

also depends if you want to game in 1080p or 1440p

[wispy umbra]

Probably not I also play Elder Scrolls Online I would say it is the most graphic game

[dull hollow]

ram and storage wasnt as cheap, though the 980 evo i got recently

im current running quad channel ram (yes ik its not ideal) but ram was just a lot at the time

it was outside return window

[dull hollow]

ah yeah that too

[wispy umbra]

2K my current monitors just randomly freeze if I play a game then I need to restart my pc and I don’t have the time for it

[dull hollow]

duel monitor?

[unkempt lake]

You're running 2x16...

[wispy umbra]

Yeah I have 2 of them

[unkempt lake]

That's dual channel and even 4 dimms are dual channel still

[dull hollow]

thats just for the listing

[unkempt lake]

4 dimms are dual channel still

[dull hollow]

im too lazy to fish out the actual ram

[wispy umbra]

Both are the same

[dull hollow]

im mixing hyperx and corsair ram atm

[unkempt lake]

Quad channel is HEDT

[dull hollow]

idk the proper term

[old marlin]

it's so good

[unkempt lake]

Oh

[dull hollow]

i have 2 sticks of corsair and 2 sticks of hyperx

[misty matrix]

this is literally correct

[dull hollow]

i checked they are the same speed so im not losing performance

[misty matrix]

[unkempt lake]

I like how they have why is userbenchmarked banned on reddit and not promoted by youtubers

Lmao

[old marlin]

it's funnier, those are random

[bright briar]

you can't go wrong with 3080 or 3070. If you want to splash more cash than 4070 or 4080 is a top notch choice. Theres a lot of 4000s series gpu out there like 4070 super and etc. So you gotta do some research

[old marlin]

they link to this list

[wispy umbra]

I would’ve add you as a friend if I could… but anyway thanks for the recommendation

[old marlin]

what speed do they run at tho

[dull hollow]

3600

[old marlin]

also running 4 sticks usually is a good recipe to have it less stable

ah DDR4

[dull hollow]

yeah

[gusty nexus]

[raw prawn]

At a certain point, I feel like if you have to explain your bad reputation in enough places, you might just not be good.

[old marlin]

all of them are just "bot accounts or bought off"

[dull hollow]

the cheapest 7800x3d is 420usd 🥲

[old marlin]

I mean they put the 7800X3D at number 28 of their "objective" list

and intel "conclussions" are like 6 words

(13900k one)

yet AMD gets this

[raw prawn]

AMDchads stay winning

[old marlin]

AMD stay

meanwhile intel can't even rma your dead cpu

[dull hollow]

wait isnt coolermaster banned in the us

[old marlin]

no

deepcool

[dull hollow]

oh mb

similar name

[gusty nexus]

That's a joke ?

[old marlin]

no that is the actual "conclusion" on userbenchmark

[unkempt lake]

But people really wanted to wait for zen 9000 so here we are with a poopy gen and everyone rushing to get the old zen4 stock

[distant tapir]

So it's bad and I shouldn't buy it?

[old marlin]

I'd recommend you to refer to ANY other review source

[gusty nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/orest-explanation-gif-21435212

[old marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/stephen-burke-gamersnexus-gamer-nexus-white-board-explaining-meme-gif-6131883423390994396

[gusty nexus]

Userbenchmark when they think a product is bad while it's not :

[old marlin]

userbenchmark when the good product is from amd

[gusty nexus]

It's a good product, Userbenchmark are not trustworthy

[smoky frigate]

OH MY GOD YES THEY'RE BACK

[gusty nexus]

What is the first one ?

[old marlin]

wanna take a guess?

[gusty nexus]

I don't know a lot of product 😅
Maybe 14900KS ?

[old marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/fc-applause-aplausos-forocoches-shia-labeouf-gif-7189475

(you are correct)

now go on and buy a CPU that fries itself in half a year

[gusty nexus]

😂

[pale sigil]

Rip I can't find my G703 anywhere

[old marlin]

[pale sigil]

I last used it in the multi purpose room in rehab (spinal)

Went to bed thinking I left it in my bag

[wispy umbra]

💀

[pale sigil]

Brb gonna go cry (I have a spare g703 but still)

[dull hollow]

whats the best 4070 super? (not watercooled)

are asus tuf cards still decent?

~50$ over msrp

[bright briar]

anytime and the community in this server are very helpful so dont be afraid to ask for help either

[gusty nexus]

It remind me of this video :
https://youtu.be/pSpIKoA6vsM

[old marlin]

those are canned benchmarks obv

what even is "desktop performance" anyways

[smoky frigate]

Since the 7000 series flopped (7800X3D somewhat excluded) due to unrealistic pricing, slow boot times, high platform costs and windows gamebar requirements etc., the 9000 series is more or less DOA. When the 9000X3D variants launch (expected in early 2025) gamers who play cache sensitive games such as SoTTR or Factorio with a 4090 and don’t mind frame drops, may find value in the 9800X3D. WHAT

[gusty nexus]

Factorio need a 4090 ?

[late grove]

To be fair Ryzen 7000 was a total disaster at launch.

But now that it has been massively discounted and some bugs ironed out.. yeah now it's a good option to consider.

[smoky frigate]

was the ryzen 7000 series the one with the exploding mainboards?

[old marlin]

yea very early on

and mainly asus iirc

[gusty nexus]

I don't have a single bug

[old marlin]

if you got asrock for example you had good firmware day 1

[gusty nexus]

Mainly x3d because of voltage problem I think ?

[old marlin]

nope

by the time the x3d came out the issue was already resolved

for a LONG time even

[gusty nexus]

Why gamer Nexus had the problem on x3d chip then ?

[old marlin]

they didn't

it was 7000x not 7000x3d

[gusty nexus]

Oh okay, my memory is bad then, sorry 😅

[fierce terrace]

yeah, just a lottery about coils

[dull hollow]

i mean im always using headphones so i doubt ill notice it

[fierce terrace]

then yeah

sometimes tuf performs better than their rog line

even tho if you care about money just get 4070 ti super

[gusty nexus]

https://youtu.be/kiTngvvD5dI

[old marlin]

ah

[dull hollow]

holy its 200 more

[fierce terrace]

200 more what €?

[dull hollow]

usd

[old marlin]

nvm then

[dull hollow]

well i mean the ti super is 200 more msrp

[fierce terrace]

actually not worth depending on resolution you play

[dull hollow]

1440 144hz

[ashen spindle]

zen4 on launch was fine x3d had some issues msotly on asus boards unrelated

[gusty nexus]

It's fine 😅
I think it was on all 7000x CPU but more likely on x3d

[old marlin]

was kind of an AMD issue

[ashen spindle]

sort of

[old marlin]

but it only really took place on asus boards

[ashen spindle]

they did go out of spec on asus boards

[old marlin]

• asus reacted very poorly

[ashen spindle]

yea

[fierce terrace]

then save up some $ for 4080 super

if you would like to play newer games on higher settings then yeah

i would save up some cash to get more performance

[dull hollow]

im not sure how much longer im doing pc gaming for

so i dont want to spend too much

but thanks 👍

[steep creek]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/amd-deprioritizing-flagship-gaming-gpus-jack-hyunh-talks-new-strategy-for-gaming-market

[frozen ingot]

midrange is where they should be competing

[pale sigil]

It was under my bed lol

I thought there's no way it's under there because the cleaners would have seen it when cleaning

[smoky frigate]

affordable midrange is where cards are desperately needed too

[pale sigil]

It seems they didn't clean under the bed 😒

[frozen ingot]

lets face it, people who have flagship money will splurge on nvidia with all their fancy bells and whistles like rtx, reflex, dlss etcetc

meanwhile they've been largely dominating the midrange segment for quite a while charging stupid moneys for it

its where radeon stand the best chance of taking some market shares

[rough osprey]

why does my superlight 2 have 8000hz and 44000dpi

normal is 4000hz and 32000

[manic sequoia]

Update

Superlight 2 launched with 2k polling max, originally

[rough osprey]

i cant find any info on that update tho

like they never posted anything and people havent talked about it on reddit or sum

[manic sequoia]

Yeah seems like it was silent dropped sometime yesterday

But no discussion about it whatsoever

Shows how much people care about 8k

[fierce terrace]

if they did this even tho 4k polling was fake/really unstable then this can be either

not to mention that sensor lag and srav is worse on 4k than lets say native 2k

[rough osprey]

there was a lot of talk when 4k dropped

[pastel nacelle]

What if

We just use 1080p

[pale sigil]

Noticed something off today, my laptop screen just turns off completely when I plug my charger in.

[rough osprey]

they kinda smol dongle

[pastel nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/whack-eric-andre-hannibal-buress-gif-15152802775361272015

[manic sequoia]

Yeah some people do use 4k, but 8k has issues with game compatibility and even more battery drain

[fierce terrace]

2k was perfect i would say

but it was too late for "only" 2k lets say

and now they are late with every single release

[manic sequoia]

GPX 2 had some pretty poor results in pzogel's testing, in terms of sensor implementation. I wonder if all the updates have improved it

[fierce terrace]

made it worse clearly

[umbral heron]

Hmmm... Go for 7900XTX or wait for 8800XT?

[fierce terrace]

wait

the patience is a key

[steep creek]

there will always be a new card anyways

i guess if you don’t need a new card now it’s okay to wait, up to you really

[frozen ingot]

buy last years tech at discount

[umbral heron]

The most appealing thing about waiting for 8800XT is that it will most likely eat less power than 7900XTX while probably be on the same level of performance

[minor citrus]

didn't AMD say they want to focus on midrange for now? you could be waiting quite a while then

[umbral heron]

Yeah, but it if offers the same performance as last-gen flagship and eat less power then I'm happy with it

[pale sigil]

Lecry

[steep creek]

hm yeah power efficiency is nice

[umbral heron]

Windows trying and failing to switch graphics?

Ah, it doesn't react at all

[pale sigil]

Ok so it seems to be dynamic refresh rate

When I disable it I don't have the issue

Uh oh now the screen isn't working

But I can hear the audio

Nvm the screen works but windows not so much hmmm... Maybe GPU drivers which tbf I updated last night.

[umbral heron]

Cleanup https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/faqs/GPU-601.html and reinstall

[pale sigil]

Already downloaded;)

[ashen spindle]

depends how long you want to wait, good chance its not this year anymore

[unkempt lake]

we don't even know if the pricing will be good

Or if they'll even meet their performance expectation

Remember when people were leaking the XTX as a 4090 competitor

[ashen spindle]

that was projections from before final silicon tapeout

[unkempt lake]

Also... it's amd i expect a disastrous launch

[umbral heron]

Till October? Not like I'm in a rush, but my brother is already nagging me to get new card and give him my old one

[ashen spindle]

there is a data center event next month if we dont get infos about a customer event after that it's likely not coming this year anymore

[umbral heron]

Welp, RDNA3 it is

[unkempt lake]

I mean... it's not like the card is gonna get any slower @umbral heron

If you're happy with the price and performance rn i say go for it

[umbral heron]

If only 4080S was cheaper and working with Wayland

[unkempt lake]

• the rdna3 drivers are mature and nice and stable

[umbral heron]

Loonix, drivers are nice and stable

[steep creek]

wayland support is getting better but i personally still wouldn’t use it

[unkempt lake]

Amd generally always has buggy drivers on launch

[steep creek]

just random stutters and such

[unkempt lake]

Doesn't matter the OS

[umbral heron]

Yeah - if I were using drivers from AMD

[unkempt lake]

But it always gets fixed up within a few months

[pale sigil]

Interesting... And fluid motion is now showing up.

[unkempt lake]

You using a custom driver?

[ashen spindle]

RADV likely

[umbral heron]

Mesa/amdgpu + vulkan-radeon/radv, yeah

[unkempt lake]

I see

But going back to what i was saying

Amd needs to learn to launch products without issues

Or bugginess

It's always the same cycle with them

[frozen ingot]

cut them some slack, its only been like 2 decades of this

[pale sigil]

The driver re-install didn't fix it

[frozen ingot]

[unkempt lake]

They treat hardware as if they were ubisoft

"We'll patch it later"

[unkempt lake]

Ddu?

[pale sigil]

Correct

I've done that

[unkempt lake]

Or amd cleanup

Which have you used

I'd say if you used one and it didn't work try the other

[pale sigil]

on an unrelated note

i am not moving my phone

[lyric hatch]

Damn what they doing to your upload

[pale sigil]

ok so i can confirm when the screen goes off its just the screen not the laptop as i can hear my background stuff still going

[lyric hatch]

Did you hit a windows+Ctrl+Shift+B

[pale sigil]

what does that do

[lyric hatch]

Restarts your graphics driver

[pale sigil]

Don't work

It's like the screen just freaks out

when i manually adjust it myself it works fine....

😦 i really relied on drr

[pale sigil]

It was deffo the amd drivers... i wiped them again and used the ones from asus website and it works fine again.

[scarlet jackal]

HI DASHI

[unkempt lake]

HI DON

DOM

[unkempt lake]

What version was causing you issues

Cuz there's a new one that's currently a hotfix for space marine

https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/release-notes/RN-RAD-WIN-24-10-37-10.html

Dunno if anyone here was playing space marine 2 with an amd card but there's a hotfix driver out for it

I posted it the other day

[unkempt lake]

https://youtu.be/b248W74jcFc?si=ywDACvISoa8ybSOG

New fam share out of beta

[sharp badger]

https://www.whathifi.com/news/bose-beware-akg-makes-a-splash-at-ifa-2024-with-two-pairs-of-premium-wireless-headphones AKG released some new headphones

[wild coyote]

gonna use that 100%

[final flame]

Truly a Jerry moment

[pale sigil]

Shit system

[fair gull]

how so?

[halcyon moss]

Sounds like it's a lot better

No mentioning of you can now both play at the same times with 2 different games from one library

[crisp lake]

i don't really know where to ask this so i'll do it here. I have my wooting 60he for like 6 months now and recently the tab button has been getting stuck

not like stuck stuck but scoreboards and stuff wont close after untill i press it again

and its only if i press near the right part of the tab button

[crimson wigeon]

I think the new steam families requires everyone to be in the same country, that's why they mad

[halcyon moss]

Ah, scamming

Yay, found the ap Mounting bracket

[wild coyote]

That's true

Tested with a friend of mine

Can confirm on that

[latent mural]

Life sux, ima just go back to buying and selling stocks

[wild coyote]

nuh uh

[wheat plume]

Jeff Geerling hates two finger tap to right click

time to cancel him /JK

https://youtu.be/1G0v5s1nEZk

[halcyon moss]

how the fuck else would you do it?

[wheat plume]

physically click the bottom right corner to right click 🤢

[halcyon moss]

🤯

[wheat plume]

Gnome gives you the option of what method to use

same for scrolling

whomstf uses edge scrolling?!

[digital cliff]

i dunno but who uses trackpad

[wheat plume]

touchpad is nice when you have really good gestures for it on the desktop

[digital cliff]

doing anything on it takes too long imo

[wheat plume]

Gnome desktop is way better to use on touchpad than with a mouse IMO but Plasma is wayyyyyy better to use on mouse

Plasma has such tiny hitboxes at times, that are really awful to click with a touchpad

[digital cliff]

just moving it around and clicking by tapping is awful, I really hate it

[reef patrol]

According to 9/10 game developers, everyone does.

[wheat plume]

🤔

ElementaryOS needs to stop warning users that any app that they dont personally verify as being potentially dangerous and harmful software ...

[vagrant pagoda]

So one finger edges, but two can finish the job XD

[wheat plume]

if you try to install any app on ElementaryOS, that is not verified by the ElementaryOS team.....you get a warning popup being like "Are you sure you want to install this app? Its unverified by our team and may contain harmful code that can steal your data and damage your system" and the default option is not to install it

Even Google Chrome and Firefox have that warning on ElementaryOS

[wheat plume]

[coarse cloak]

classic

[wheat plume]

........

bruh, people being bigots in the comments

[coarse cloak]

classic youtube comments

[vagrant pagoda]

I love the I don't actually know if it's true, or remember properly, but I'm going to comment some shit anyway.

[wheat plume]

yeah ikr.... most bigots these days just repeat shit they heard rumours of without verifying

[coarse cloak]

made sure to put it on the end of his comment instead of the start too

[sudden imp]

Did you guys see the Toms hardware articles? If AMD can get 40% market share that’d be great it’d make more developers adopt AMD hardware allowing AMD to finally compete!!!

[still loom]

40% of what? CPUs?

[vagrant pagoda]

Just use one finger lightly scrolling the touch pad so it barely scrolls a few lines at a time XD

[vagrant pagoda]

It's what they said about gpus. They are going after mainstream not high end

Because 80% of gpus are in the mid range spot, and if they can get half of that market share they will be at 40% total

[still loom]

Don't think that's ever happening

[late grove]

Yeah heard that one before...

Until they get their drivers in check it won't matter.

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean for 90% of people, drivers have nothing to do with purchasing

[still loom]

It's not even drivers, they don't push enough into pre builds or laptops or anything like that

[vagrant pagoda]

90% of people buy PCs like a console.

[still loom]

And maybe 1 in 10 have an AMD GPU in it 😂

[late grove]

Right now AMD is known for driver featured that get you banned in CS. Upscaling tech that cannot even compete against Intel. And poor support for old games.

Not exactly a good position to be in.

[still loom]

Probably less than 1 in 10

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes that's what they want to change lol

[late grove]

Especially for normies that they are supposedly targeting.

[vagrant pagoda]

They are not going to make a high end GPU, and pivot to doing everything they can to get raw market share

[still loom]

And then people buying PC like console look at it and it says AMD and move on to find something that says Nvidia on it

Just like people buy a playstation over Xbox

[vagrant pagoda]

Those people don't have GPU brand loyalty

They buy what the store sells

[late grove]

They do.

Nvidia bias is not an exagheration.

[vagrant pagoda]

The average PC gamer couldn't tell you what GPU is in their pc

[still loom]

In general yeah but people do look at a quick spec sheet and if they don't see nvidia or intel they move on

Because that's what they know

[late grove]

Not the model. But they usually know if its nvidia or amd.

[vagrant pagoda]

Nvidia spends fuck tons of money to make it the default option, just like intel

[late grove]

Hell my mom who knows absolutely nothing about tech thinks that amd = bad. Even on CPUs.

[late grove]

Exactly

And it works.

[umbral heron]

Would be nice

[still loom]

Whether or not they are better or worse right now, it's over the time of the past 20-30 years AMD were behind and will be behind in people's heads

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean it did work for intel

[still loom]

That's how marketing over years works, getting into people's heads

[vagrant pagoda]

Now amd is super common in store

[still loom]

AMD was always super common in a store

I remember buying a pre built PC back in early 2000s....

[distant tapir]

I wouldn't go for AMD GPUs because on numerous occations I have downloaded stuff that I have read has poor or non-existent AMD support. But how is this for CPUs? Do Intel CPUs have some support advantage over AMD?

[still loom]

And AMD was written on the spec sheet, I moved on to the next

It's the power of the brand over time.... like yeah AMD are great now, absolutely zero doubt on that

[vagrant pagoda]

Like what lol

[still loom]

But... in people's heads..... they are the same old AMD, behind the other bigger brands

That won't change in a year

It won't change in 5... it will take 20 years to change that

[distant tapir]

I don't really remember. Last time I encountered it was recent when I downloaded mods for Kotor but I don't remember exactly what I read.

[umbral heron]

Apart from GVT-g in their iGPU I don't think there's something that Intel does, but AMD doesn't
But that's true in the other way around, there are some games that support AMD SMT

[distant tapir]

What's AMD SMT?

[late grove]

Frametime consistency... allegedly.

[vagrant pagoda]

Literally early 2000 was when amd absolutely destroyed Intel's market share and was extremely competitive

So I doubt that was the case

[coarse cloak]

xddd

[umbral heron]

Simultaneous multithreading, it's in CP2077, game can more effectively use threads on AMD CPUs
And there's quite a difference

[distant tapir]

That's measurable at least if true.

[vagrant pagoda]

Amd64 was killer

[still loom]

It doesn't matter... they were still behind

In market share

[vagrant pagoda]

They weren't

[distant tapir]

Ah okay.

[vagrant pagoda]

Ih the desktop space amd was top for performance and price in early 2000s

[vagrant pagoda]

Intel calls it hyper threading, amd calls it smt

[umbral heron]

Yeah, until Bulldozer AMD was on top, then Bulldozer happened, Skylake happened and the rest is history

[still loom]

But did that make them the market leaders?

[vagrant pagoda]

Never said it was a market leader

[frozen ingot]

this is mainly about radeon tbh, they had poor, buggy drivers for like two decades

[still loom]

Ok then what are you saying to me... still 80% of people were buying intel in the scenario you gave

[vagrant pagoda]

They said they passed on a PC in the early 2000s because of amd not being good enough

[coarse cloak]

80%?? where are you pulling these numbers from
interesting if true though, but AMD rocketed in early 2000s

[still loom]

I don't know what you're trying to bring up... I said AMD Is great, they can have better performance

[vagrant pagoda]

It wasn't brand loyalty

[still loom]

Doesn't mean they are going to take 40% of the market share because of it overnight

[vagrant pagoda]

Dont not remember Intel's anti trust suit?

[still loom]

It will take a LONG time of having price to performance

Like a very, very long

time

[late grove]

The problem is everyone says a different thing. The only way to know for sure is to have both systems yourself and compare them.

[vagrant pagoda]

That was literally 2005

[umbral heron]

The implementation however is quite different, on AMD it behaves more like 2 separate cores, on Intel it behaves like a small co-processor to a main core
That's why Intel wanted to drop it completely

[vagrant pagoda]

Amd couldn't get market share dispite a decade of being extremely competitive

[late grove]

Isn't the scaling the same on them?

[still loom]

The point is the price and performance is not going to change anything... it will sway it by a few %

[vagrant pagoda]

Come to find out Intel was illegally giving kickbacks to oems to not offer amd

[still loom]

Not 20-30%

[umbral heron]

SMT scales way better than HT, uses more power, sure, but performance is quite higher too

[vagrant pagoda]

Intel was so scared of amd taking market share they had to stop them illegally

[late grove]

I am pretty sure AMD is destroying Intel right now on the CPU side.
Every storefront you look at the first 5 best selling cpus are Ryzens

[vagrant pagoda]

And dispute that amd still had 20%

[still loom]

AMD have a chance maybe, in the CPU market to take a 40% share some time in the future... maybe 10-20 years

GPU? No.

Just simply no

[umbral heron]

Yeah, but Intel is still in most OEMs, in most of casual PC users minds Intel is still better than AMD, and they also have huge contracts, like with Us DoD

[vagrant pagoda]

Walmart carries boxed ryzen 7000 in store now

[distant tapir]

Most people do seem to go for AMD on the CPU front.

[vagrant pagoda]

Which is insane, but cool

[umbral heron]

I had AMD CPU in me box ever since I got my first PC in 2004

[frozen ingot]

the rig am using now is my first amd since 2001 I think

[distant tapir]

My current CPU is the first AMD one I have owned. Before that I had the i7-7700K and before that again the i7-4770K.

[frozen ingot]

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/athlon-xp-1600.c120

yup it was one of these kek

[vagrant pagoda]

K6 was the first amd we had and thunderbird was my first build

[umbral heron]

I had Sempron 3000+, then some A8 one, then some FX one, then 3600X and now 7950X3D

[frozen ingot]

180nm manufacturing process