🔌│tech

[latent mural]

rest in piss 5950x, you will not be missed

[ionic imp]

xD i wanna know what happend?

im gonna be in the voice chat it'

[latent mural]

ghc

[ionic imp]

General Chit Chat, yes

[latent mural]

no, the ghc package

glasgow haskell compiler, very cursed package to emerge w/ j32 and unoptimal cooler

[ionic imp]

aaaahhhhh

[inland apex]

What is your guys prefered actuation point for typing?

[umbral heron]

1.2mm

[tender scarab]

Asus and other did some shit for the ryzens in bios when set in auto they are baseline at 1.45v or more and that too much so ryzen get hotter rapidly, boost less and other things. Went to bios switched to offset mode, and set it to go a bit above 1.35, dropped 10C, and maintain a lot more the 4.8ghz of the 5900x while never really going above 70 with an AIO 360

[ashen spindle]

"for the ryzens" that's a whole lot more cpus than the zen3 generations since you talk about 5900x and you dont want to use the same voltages across different generations

[ionic imp]

oh yeah i remember something like that

had a Crosshair Hero VII if i recall that killed my 2700x

i used windows for that 😭

[tender scarab]

Yeah i do not know if it's still the case for newer one but had to do that since when in jump in at the 3XXXX series, i'm still baffled that no bios update have been dropped in this regard when it's just a number they input

[ionic imp]

That actually makes me a bit sad.

[tender scarab]

to at least fix the older ones

[ionic imp]

on my X670E Steel Legend and 7950X3D i've had no issues as far as i've seen.
i've seen some bad things on asus motherboards tho

[idle matrix]

does anyone know when the 8k dongle is coming out for the sora v2?

[shrewd cipher]

Not only for AMD.. Intel is/was hit by this as well.

[tender scarab]

LEL x) Mobo manufacturer being mobo manufacturer, Company said the nominal value is X let's put a +0.10-0.20 just to be sure it has all the power it want

[shrewd cipher]

https://youtu.be/HIubZYwBfPc?feature=shared

[tender scarab]

I remember this video did not watch it as i don't have any intel anymore at home except an old xeon in a display. But yeah it's sad that we can't trust brand to do correct bios config... I can understand that it ensure that even if you lost on the sillicon lottery your pc should still boot up without any edit but they went really overboard with the values

[wheat plume]

Wtf kernel is this?!

Using lts kernel on Arch is also a strange move

[tender scarab]

Looks like a vm oriented kernel

[wheat plume]

Yeah
...
Some IO stuff too

[shrewd cipher]

Yep.. They shouldnt really be allowed to do it as well. Since overclocking voids your warranty, those manufacturers make ya void your warranty without u even having a chance to set it up correctly, or knowing u void it on the first boot up.

[tender scarab]

personnaly i used vfio to pass one of my GPU to a vm and have to bind it to the vfio driver but there a lot you can pass throught this driver, i dont find this kernel online so should be home cooked one with just minimal module in it but yeah quite odd to stay in 6.1 with all the AMD improvement that came in 6.7+ but if it work for him/her good for them :p

[crimson wigeon]

That's also an old Proton, and old Nvidia driver..

[tender scarab]

Didn't asus cooked some CPUs and tried to hit us with the "well sucks to be you" until the backlash was too much and finnaly compensate people ? or was it with the GPUs

[wheat plume]

Oh wack...
I've never tried passthrough on a VM before

Afaik I can't on my desktop
It only has the dedicated GPU since the CPU doesn't have integrated graphics

[shrewd cipher]

Thats what the video is about, ppl got gpu memory errors that were caused by the cpu getting absolutely roasted.. Also the bs with their handheld gaming thing..
ASUS got some major issues

[tender scarab]

Same setup here my cpu don't have any but had a lot of gpu slot so when i upgraded to 3070 the 2060super went down a slot :p and is dedicated to the win10 vm that i didn't boot in 6months cause all my shit works on linux now
arch have a little tutorial for you case when you have just one gpu but by the number of post on reddit about problems with this solution i would not try it personnaly

[tender scarab]

Ahhh sry did not open it as im at work rn but i'll have a look later.
I will soon have to change mobo, i was pro asus and felt like they were the best when i did my pc but now i don't know where to go, got an msi for a diy nas and same shit with the cpu voltage so atleast i know 2 that i will avoid for now

[umbral heron]

That's a vfio-oriented kernel, if you want to get direct access to the devices, then instead of virtio for example you can use vfio

[shrewd cipher]

Pretty sure they all do it to stay competetiv, im on a MSI MEG x570 ACE rn and pretty much changed the settings from startup.

Its basically the first thing i do after i install windows xD

[wheat plume]

Oohhhh ...
Very cool setup you got!

[wheat plume]

Oh hmm...

[umbral heron]

Useful when you want to trick programs inside of VM into thinking they're running natively on PC, lots of people used to play Valorant this way on Win10 VM

[tender scarab]

It may end in wootstation when my 80he arrive :p

[wheat plume]

Oh
I meant your setup that you have a GPU just for the VM
:p

That's a nice use for having two GPUs

But yeah
Show your desk setup too once you get the Wooting!!

[tender scarab]

But i think I will soon remove it from my main pc and give it to the "nas" (it's more a service box now) so i can pass it to ollama instead of the Rx570 should give a bit of uplift to the models

[modest hamlet]

I was wondering about kernel level/hardware ban anticheat (I don't want to know how to get around it) but is it needed? And will it be a problem in buying used HW? It seems really dumb and OTT

To me its like if you bought a used car but the person before yelled expletives from it or illegally tuned it and there is a big'ol red A on the front of your hood. For the rest of time

I might not be understanding it too well tho..

[reef patrol]

I mean in theory you could be buying "banned hardware"

Seems unlikely though.

[tender scarab]

It's a cat an mouse game tbh... it started by checking process but now you can hide them so they went the level above and got more perm than you have on your machine and so people went and started to make physical cheat that press key and move your mouse etc etc while reading your screen... So on the buying old hardware that has serve to cheat for now no risk but it's maybe the next step but i highly doubt it. only risk going forward is if you dont have the TPM that is required by windows and/or the secure boot disabled but at this point you will already have to wrestle just to arrive to window
The only risk atm is if you try to buy cheap account that could have been used to cheat or just buying any account tbh as it's against most TOS

[misty ibex]

is this a steal or what

[ashen spindle]

nah more or less new normal price

[modest hamlet]

Im sure its unlikely as the % of banned vs non on the market place is LOW. The Arms race for Anticheat is kinda out of hand. And then on top of that if you got "AI" going its just, I would think, almost unperceivable/undetectable. So overall it will just be an over reaching on consumer rights, as I think it is now.

I guess its just the price you pay for "free ware"?

[umbral heron]

There's another option
don't play games plagued with cheaters

Or rather with invasive anti-cheats

[ashen spindle]

sadly that means
dont play any online games

[misty ibex]

Literally every competitive game has a shit anticheat except valo

[crimson wigeon]

Good, the cheaters can play with themselves

[misty ibex]

but once again youre selling your data to the chinese government

[fickle ore]

they dont need my data because im minus 1000 social pts

[umbral heron]

Vanguard bypasses are widely available now
They aren't as visible, because Rito makes a good job of detecting them quickly

[misty ibex]

i hate rainbow six siege but i cant stop myself from playjng it

[modest hamlet]

yeah Riot can make some of the best pop songs and mv's IMHO but Ill try my darndest to not have their software on my system

[umbral heron]

Rito can do a lot of things well, but it can't do one at all - balance games

[balmy vector]

I avoid rito games like a plague

[frozen ingot]

based

[umbral heron]

Quite a coincidence that since Phreak joined LoL's balance team, champs he plays are usually S-tier, 52~54% wr?

[lofty pivot]

your mistake is playing league. It's only for watching. Never actually play it

[balmy vector]

[umbral heron]

Nah, I don't play it for over 4 years now

[misty ibex]

Companies suck at game balancing because they dont PLAY it

[lofty pivot]

actually gen g ceo came out recently saying how League is in a weird place because it's more popular than ever for viewing, but way behind newer games for upcoming pro players wanting to play

[modest hamlet]

I mean same with miHoYo Id wanna try out some games cause me but nah

[lofty pivot]

basically the metrics all say a shit ton of people watch League, but almost none of them keep playing it lol

[umbral heron]

I used to play comp games, because I had a group of friends, who liked such games
Nowadays I prefer co-ops and single-player games
I still play Apex though, because casuals are fun, and Dota, because it's always fun with friends

[misty ibex]

Tbh im getting tired of games

if i cant play with friends

[modest hamlet]

I mean Epic got their claws in me cause Free games, are free and I wanna mess with UE 5 but IDK

[balmy vector]

Fortnite festival is my jam tbh

[umbral heron]

Oh yeah, I have to try out Amazon Luna and how it handles Fortnite

[modest hamlet]

I think that whole thing is cool edit: I thought you where talking about the live concerts.

[balmy vector]

Need more rhythm games to feed my addiction!

[umbral heron]

Played new tracks in Muse Dash?

[balmy vector]

No, i dont have muse dash

[umbral heron]

Bummer they discontinued Just as Planned DLC

With Muse Plus you have to buy DLCs too, and they are quite expensive

[modest hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/muse-dash-gif-12505082793099533459

thanks now that alarm clock song is stuck in my head

[balmy vector]

I am also now hearing it

[pale sigil]

Because it's spyware

[sharp badger]

Alarm clock song?

[mint otter]

what makes you say that? i didnt have any issues for as long as i have owned it

[old marlin]

I just don't see any point in them

[mint otter]

no wires

[old marlin]

why have something wireless when it only sits on your desk

you still need to charge it

[mint otter]

its just easier than being tide to a cable

and also with switching between desks

[pale sigil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/0aPCHqWd7J

Making me feel old

[unkempt lake]

mini usb

that shit was everywhere

[pale sigil]

I meant it's making me feel old because someone doesn't know what this piece of garbage is.

[unkempt lake]

insane

[halcyon moss]

I saw that one as well.. And it makes me happy that a young kid like pleasant also feels old

[old marlin]

to be fair that is a weird one

since that is mini AB

[modest hamlet]

I posted it in #📻│music

[latent mural]

hello everyone(sorry if its the wrong channel but idk where to post it), im asking your guys help bc since couple months i have this issue were i have my sound glitching in my ears like in this clip, it is not THAT anoying but quite a bit still, and im sending the osu clip bc i dont see it when im playing val cod or something else but it seems like my game is freezing as well, it feel worse when i play than when im just re watching the clip, it feels way longer than that little freeze but since its ion osu, it is still reallyh anoying
thanks for yall helps if some can help me

[little silo]

Have you installed all the latest drivers?

[latent mural]

it should be the latest yea

i did multiple update search via windows settings and lenovo since i am (yes) on a laptop

i also tried recovery mode or idk how its called that reinstall windows i think without you loosing data

[modest hamlet]

Bios?

[little silo]

lololol

[modest hamlet]

Have you updated the laptops BIOS?

[latent mural]

yes

i did the latest bios update that the lenovo software recommended to me

[modest hamlet]

Fresh install of the game?

[latent mural]

its not the game, it happens every time, the freezes are not that noticeable on any other game but the audio glitch happens even when im watching a ytb video for example

[modest hamlet]

Have you taken it apart and cleaned fans. fins. and case? Im not saying that you should do that but it might help

[latent mural]

i did not but i thought of doing that tomorrow !

[modest hamlet]

Have you done that before?

[modest hamlet]

https://www.ifixit.com/

[latent mural]

yes

[modest hamlet]

I have broken GPU fans cause of canned air. Wheeeeeeeee fan go fast😁 Oh no whats that noise? 😅

[latent mural]

i dont use canned air 😭😭😭

[empty wren]

Well then, guess I will not be using the air hose at work to push the dust out...

[modest hamlet]

I mean you can just don't let the fan spin freely. Put your thumb on it. Also it was a common problem with the GPU (I think)

[scenic thunder]

It's a crapshoot any time you let your fans free spin. Literally gambling. I've been doing it for years until I broke one of my fiancé's front case fans earlier this year. Never again will they free spin lol.

[final flame]

I do not recommend letting fans spin freely ever
having the fan break is the least of your concerns
the more worrying issue is if your fans pushes power back into the motherboard or other part

motors are just generators if spun by external forces

[digital cliff]

could be anything from a hardware problem such as a hard drive having a bad sector or two to something with drivers

if it's not isolated to osu! then you're just gonna have to slowly change things to see what solves it

[unkempt lake]

https://www.computing.co.uk/news/4329906/critical-vulnerability-openssh-uncovered-affects-linux-systems

[old marlin]

already patched my servers

[umbral heron]

Same
I was up till 4 in the morning, patching every host and container at work I could get my hands onto

[pale sigil]

Isn't that old news now

[umbral heron]

Iunno, we got mail yesterday from SOC

[old marlin]

nope it like ~24 hours old now

[pale sigil]

Oh it's another one

Sheesh

[shrewd cipher]

They are here

[bold patrol]

a

[fair gull]

Successful exploitation has been demonstrated on 32-bit Linux/glibc systems with ASLR. Under lab conditions, the attack requires on average 6-8 hours of continuous connections up to the maximum the server will accept. Exploitation on 64-bit systems is believed to be possible but has not been demonstrated at this time. It's likely that these attacks will be improved upon.

so... just setup fail2ban right? and dont run 32bit linux got it

even better

Exploitation on non-glibc systems is conceivable but has not been
examined. Systems that lack ASLR or users of downstream Linux
distributions that have modified OpenSSH to disable per-connection
ASLR re-randomisation (yes - this is a thing, no - we don't
understand why) may potentially have an easier path to exploitation.
OpenBSD is not vulnerable.

oh and i missed its only PORTABLE openssh

[umbral heron]

Which isn't

[fair gull]

https://www.openssh.com/txt/release-9.8

has literally the first line of the text for the fix

A critical vulnerability in sshd(8) was present in Portable OpenSSH
versions between 8.5p1 and 9.7p1 (inclusive) that may allow arbitrary
code execution with root privileges.```

so even less of an issue for me great

headlines be wildin again i guess

[umbral heron]

Our security team send us a mail phrased like it was a matter of life and death
Eh, at least we have everything up to date now

[fair gull]

the only reason i know its not life and death is that debian hasnt updated the package

lol

[umbral heron]

Of course they haven't

[fair gull]

although im impressed that arch and opensuse both run portable versions instead of the normal version

[umbral heron]

Raspberry OS too

[fair gull]

is this some BS of portable doesnt mean portable but just it doesnt adhere to some weird distro spec where it came from

god how i hate linux

why debian..... why is the server not portable but the client is

is this how debian maintainers get off? confuse all users and then some?

[umbral heron]

9.2
Up to date, Debian, up to date

[fair gull]

even better

they fixed the ssh client package...

but didnt update the version

[fair gull]

and yes yes it is... apparently its called portable due to some openbsd BS.... not cause its well... a portable executable...

@umbral heron how can you like linux.... im really trying but linux maintainers and developers always break it for me

[umbral heron]

The difference between Windows and Linux for me is that if something breaks on Linux, at least I have means and know how to fix it

[fair gull]

i mean i guess same for me but in reverse

if smth breaks on linux i have to find that one post that has the same distro and issue as me and then hope they even fixed it

[umbral heron]

Iunno, everyone says Linux is good for servers and shit for desktop
I had only one problem on my desktop this year, when new Plasma released I had to update some AUR packages
Meanwhile at work, on servers, it happens almost everyday

[fair gull]

i mean i can tell you that you dont wanna run windows servers

sluggish as shite boxes

[umbral heron]

I member Windows Server 2003, good stuff

But yeah, we desperately need standardization
It can't be that one neckbeard elitist will disagree with the opinion of majority for project which almost all Linux desktops use (like wayland)
And then everyone does whatever they want to do, with no care in the world about other projects

[crimson wigeon]

Only reason I'd want to run windows server is for games that don't have Linux dedicated servers

[latent mural]

😞

[steel cave]

are there any cheaper but comparable alternatives to wooting with rapid trigger etc.?
200+€ for a keyboard is a little excessive for me + the customization stuff seems like another hurdle
Preferably 80% keyboards

[umbral heron]

Well, outside of Wooting keyboards, vast majority of cheaper HE keyboards is the same stuff, coming from the same OEM

[fair gull]

id try running it through proton ngl

if not prob a win server vm without desktop environment on a linux host

[umbral heron]

And you don't have to customize anything, pre-builts are made so they work straight out of the box

[steel cave]

HE keyboard is just another name for the rapid trigger feature, right?

[umbral heron]

HE is hall effect keyboard, meaning it has not usual mechanical switches, but ones with magnets inside the switch and sensor on a PCB
And yeah, most if not all of them do have some sort of Rapid Trigger

[fair gull]

just to be clear HE is not a name for rapid trigger and doesnt tell you if a keyboard has rapid trigger.

[steel cave]

yeah, if I configure the 80HE with a german layout it comes to 230€, though

[steel cave]

I understand, thank you

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/press-release/noctua-launches-150-nh-d15-g2-flagship-next-gen-cpu-cooler

[umbral heron]

It is a bit expensive, sure, but it's way up there when it comes to quality-to-price ratio
Also there's a matter software and other functions, like DKS, Mod Tap, Rappy Snappy SOCD etc.

[fair gull]

srsly

[steel cave]

all these functions dont really ring a bell for me, so its just overwhelming tbh.
I'll read up on them first of all, thank you very much

[umbral heron]

Feel free to ask anytime if you'll find anything confusing

[lofty pivot]

Pretty neat. Although I can’t imagine there’s a ton of people willing to pay an extra $100-120 for the very minor temp improvement vs other air coolers

[fair gull]

if only id have known it releases so soon

[ashen spindle]

I mean people dont purely buy it for performance, support, fan noise, reliabiltiy etc. are more a thing

I'm more looking at how we dont have 400w cpus coming out so theres less reasons to buy any big air cooler

[lofty pivot]

feels hard to match the peerless assassin when it's so dirt cheap but still quiet/reliable etc

i wonder how much that noctua x seasonic psu will be

probably absurdly expensive like all their collabs

[fair gull]

hmmm g2 seems to be slightly louder than the g1

but more airflow

is the airflow because of the fans or because the cooler got heavier

[ashen spindle]

I mean in your usecase it wont be louder because the fans might as well not spin at all lol

[fair gull]

if its just the fans i might just buy the g2 fans for better airflow

hmm but the fans are also the noise source

[ashen spindle]

again I dont think the fans will spin more than a few percent for your build lol

where the noise isnt going to be heard anyway

[fair gull]

i really wonder if the 200g increase on the g2 is purely due to the new fans

[old marlin]

afaik it is one extra heatpipe

and if I were to take a guess also denser fins

[lyric hatch]

I'll take noctua everyday, in the grand scheme of a PC it's a very small price difference and if I want some over engineered acoustically pleasing fans I know I can trust noctua

[shrewd cipher]

Me buying fans purely for performance

They dont look pretty, they are loud, but they push a lot of air

[ashen spindle]

yeah unless I do some heavy RT scene my pc is basically silent and wouldnt want it any other way lol

[fair gull]

so what you want is a 388W fan from ebmpapst

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrIs3PeQ2Bs

https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/ebm-papst/DV6318-2TDH5P?qs=GxHdY17ODUSKsHHrvPoCUQ%3D%3D

1100 cubic meters per hour

[shrewd cipher]

Yee, they got some neat little engines

[steel cave]

so I watched some videos, besides the rappy snappy I think I roughly understood everything.
Sounds like it just gives you more inputs? with less keypresses I guess?

[umbral heron]

The biggest point of it is that one key can deactivate another, so you can swap quicker between keypresses

[scenic thunder]

If you care about acoustics, BeQuiet! is also a pretty solid brand for fans that stay wildly quiet for the air they move

[lofty pivot]

Hrm that Noctua psu is basically the seasonic prime titanium 1600w one but with Noctua fans

Definitely going to be pricy at that level

[steel cave]

I understand.
If I want to buy a 80HE one, is there anything I should consider/change.
Only real "changes" I might want to do are the 45 vs 60 switches and the ABS backlit keycapset vs the doubleshot backlit pbt keycap set.
Dont really get teh differences

the 45 vs 60 switches is how hard I have to press, right?
Is the 45 possibly too light/does it even have an advantage? Dont really tire out, which they mentioned as the main reason for getting 45 switches instead of 60

[umbral heron]

About ABS vs PBT you can read here https://wooting.io/post/abs-vs-pbt-what-are-the-best-keycaps
About L45 vs L60 - L45 have softer springs, they are easier to press, for comparison L60s are more or less MX Reds

[steel cave]

ill read up on the abs vs pbt, ty.
I am veeery new to keyboard stuff, so no clue what red switches etc. feel like.
I currently use a "Rapoo VPRO V500S" and I doubt it gives me any idea, so wanted to get your opinion on it. on the 45 vs 60

[umbral heron]

V500S you say? Could you pop off one of the keycaps and tell me what color are stems on switches?

[steel cave]

blue is my guess

if that is what you mean

[umbral heron]

Yup, so those are Kailh Blues, clicky switches
Those are 37~61g, so quite similar to L60s, which are 40~60g
But they are clicky, while both L45s and L60s are linear

[steel cave]

so the L60s would feel similar by how hard theyd be to press (not how the press feels), right?

[umbral heron]

Yup, exactly

[steel cave]

Ill take the l45s then, maybe.
I really appreciate all the help, tytyty.

[umbral heron]

Just keep in mind that all pre-built keyboards come with L60s, L45s you have to buy separately and install them on your own

[shrewd cipher]

Just read a review where it has been stated that they feel a little heavier than the cherry blues, which would mean they are above 60g

[umbral heron]

Some of them, Kailhs are extremely inconsistent

[steel cave]

installing switches is pretty much just plug and play, right?

[umbral heron]

Yeah, you only need a switch puller

[steel cave]

friend of mine should have one, I believe. Once again tyvm ❤️

[shrewd cipher]

Yeah, its an ez job thats done in a few minutes. Just gotta watch out for the orientation of the switch, otherwise u could dmg the pcb (kill an LED)
Im a newbie to it as well.

And switch pullers are pretty cheap, most basic ones are like 2-3 bucks

[steel cave]

perfect, Ill just ask him to help me out, he probably did keyboard stuff before

[vagrant pagoda]

Gotta compare it to g1

I really should get the low and mid and see the difference

[unkempt lake]

Part of me wanted to get it but then im like

My u12a does everything i need it to

[vagrant pagoda]

I lap anyway so I know how much of a difference it dose anyway

[unkempt lake]

Also its pretty damn expensive

204 cad/150usd

I feel like it should be 150/175cad max (u12a is 139cad)

[vagrant pagoda]

25db 155m³ vs 19db 115m³

And 1500 max vs 1200rpm

[digital cliff]

talk about cpu coolers reminded me to once again check on the secondhand price of 5800x3d

still 250€+ lmao

[unkempt lake]

5700x3d better value

[tall adder]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371381037709656065/1257701200015654945/is-this-normal-now-v0-34jqk5cif3ad1.webp?ex=66855d05&is=66840b85&hm=992f51e3db27f8b8cef4da5192998af0f408c8921c7210f1f6ea143b2ce8e114&=&format=webp&width=493&height=468

[sudden imp]

????

[tall adder]

The prices are getting out of hand currently, its fun to watch

[sudden imp]

That’s so weird

[unkempt lake]

People are rushing to get the 7800x3d

Its normal

[tall adder]

Especially since the sheduler is better now, so the 7900x3d is arguably the exact same now for gaming tasks

[vagrant pagoda]

Single CCD > 2 CCD for x3d

[unkempt lake]

Nahhhhh

Hell nah

[vagrant pagoda]

The 7900x3d will have all the dumb core swapping bs shit

[unkempt lake]

• 7900x3d only has vcache on 6 cores

It's a meme

[vagrant pagoda]

And no game is scaling past 16 threads lol

[digital cliff]

not for sale secondhand anywhere

literally nobody has this cpu

[unkempt lake]

What about brand new

[digital cliff]

then I could just buy 5800x3d used for the same price

[vagrant pagoda]

But 5700x3d all day

[digital cliff]

makes no sense

[tall adder]

exactly, that is why people disabled the non 3d cache cores in the beginning to make comparisons and it was the same, the scheduler has been updated a few times, so I would not mind trading in my 7800x3d for a 7900x3d and get 40 bucks for it

[vagrant pagoda]

5800x3d is meme now

[tall adder]

Shrug

[vagrant pagoda]

$100+ for some boost clocks

[unkempt lake]

Nahhhhh

You're wrong

[vagrant pagoda]

Oh wow it's fucking 175 bucks more right now

200 vs 375

[unkempt lake]

Go look up recent benches

[vagrant pagoda]

Literally no reason to get the 5800

[digital cliff]

5700x3d is 240€ new here

[unkempt lake]

https://youtu.be/7gZ1K4KXx50?si=5Dt-2Xg6XyIEnL4l @tall adder 7900x3d bad

[vagrant pagoda]

No game is even using 12 threads effectively, so that isn't a negative for the 7900

[tall adder]

drops the 3h old video on me

💀

[unkempt lake]

Yep

[vagrant pagoda]

For 10% price it isn't worth the headache though. Dealing with a single scheduler issue kind of blows 40 bucks out of the water

[unkempt lake]

Cant say its not up to date

[unkempt lake]

Cost of process lasso

XD

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah but the one time it fails

Isn't worth the headache for %10

[unkempt lake]

I agree

[digital cliff]

call me when I can buy a 5700x3d used for a hundo or a 5800x3d used for 200 🛌

[vagrant pagoda]

Just get a 5700x3d and be done

[unkempt lake]

Crazy seeing the 7800x3d go back up in price

[digital cliff]

too expensive

[unkempt lake]

Cuz of zen5 non x3d being disapointing

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean x3D is king

Intel is literally destroying its cpus to boost fast enough to compete

[unkempt lake]

I got my 7800x3d for 480cad/350usd
Rn they're at 600cad/437usd

[vagrant pagoda]

Word of zen5 x3D being unlocked is going to kill non x3D z5

[tall adder]

Yeah, was looking at early stuff from GN and HU to compare. Interesting (GN is old data, HU is new).
Ive read stuff that said the scheduler was updated to work even better. Has the 7800x3d just been tweaked that much better?

[vagrant pagoda]

Crazy the 1% is higher

[fickle ore]

Intel will have x3D too

[vagrant pagoda]

Lol

Much harder on monolithic

[fickle ore]

*will have, doesnt have it atm.

[unkempt lake]

I do hope intel gives amd a slap

Amd getting greedy with their pricing

Same way intel used to be

[tall adder]

I dont want another Intel 5y ago situation either

[fickle ore]

Yeah next year should be interesting

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean not really

[unkempt lake]

Amd is the new jntel basically, i mean look at the pricing for the 9600x it's ridiculous

[unkempt lake]

Look at the 9600x pricing

[fickle ore]

Or idk when they release TSMC N3B node desktop cpu with or without x3d

[unkempt lake]

Look at the 7600x release pricing (yes it dropped over time but still overpriced to shit at release)

[tall adder]

They have lost the plot.

[vagrant pagoda]

That is all speculation

[tall adder]

x3d comint later, like usual?

[unkempt lake]

Preorders are up in europe...

[vagrant pagoda]

And?

[unkempt lake]

That's not speculation

[vagrant pagoda]

I can sell you a preorder for 900

Also $275 was 3600x release, with inflation that's $315. So is $15 that big of a increase

[unkempt lake]

AMD Ryzen 9000 preorders start in Europe: 9950X at €660, 9600X at €310 - VideoCardz.com

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9000-preorders-start-in-europe-9950x-at-e660-9600x-at-e310

[vagrant pagoda]

Pre-order is literally speculation from the retailer AMD can drop the price tomorrow

[unkempt lake]

Where do you think retailers get their pricing

[vagrant pagoda]

They literally guess for these things

[unkempt lake]

Nah

[vagrant pagoda]

Why do you think major retailers don't do pre orders this early?

[unkempt lake]

This is literally a major retailer

They're rolling out slowly

• prices were already leaked before this just confirms what we already knew

[tall adder]

Newer games favor the 7900x3d with higher quality due to higher clock (5gh to 5,6gz)
so it being still more expensive is still questionable tbh.
What I find intersting is, that the performance should be the same due to the cores literally being the same and it would only be software to make it suffer that much, hm

[unkempt lake]

Amd's not your friend my dude

[tall adder]

Hmmm

[unkempt lake]

No corporation is

[tall adder]

Well said in the wooting discord

[unkempt lake]

Every single time competiton falls price start sucking ass

[unkempt lake]

Wooting ain't your friend either

They make a cool product but they're still a company

[tall adder]

We are on a first name basis, they are cool and I am cool, we are friends 😎

[vagrant pagoda]

"In 2023, FUNTECH doo achieved total annual revenue of €65,163.00,"

Ah yes the major retailer doing less than 2 h100s a year

[unkempt lake]

Still enough to determine msrp

Look i bet it won't drop

[vagrant pagoda]

After expenses I bet the 2 employees barely make enough to not be homeless

[unkempt lake]

It is Slovenia after all

XD

[vagrant pagoda]

But anyway

If that is legit it's a $15 increase over 5 years

How is that crazy

The crazy part is not including a cooler now

[whole axle]

7800x3d still on top 😭

[unkempt lake]

I mean core counts are stagnating, performance is stagnatingn

Prices are increasing

[vagrant pagoda]

Performance is stagnating?

Have you seen 5vs7

Lol

[unkempt lake]

this reminds me of when intel just kept giving us 4c/8t

Yes its improving a bit

[vagrant pagoda]

And of course 7v9 will be less because 5v7 had ram jump

[tall adder]

read above that

[vagrant pagoda]

Ryzen 5000 was super ram bottlenecked at 1080

[unkempt lake]

I'm talking am5

Not am4

[vagrant pagoda]

Can you read?

[unkempt lake]

You don't have to be rude

[vagrant pagoda]

I said that 7v9 will be less of a jump than 5v7 because of the difference ddr5 made with 7

[unkempt lake]

Yeah obviously

[vagrant pagoda]

Running 5000 with ddr5 would of likely been over half the increase

5800x3d flck/ram scaling was impressive

I binned until I could get 2k flck for that reason

[unkempt lake]

I'm just irked at the lack of low/mid range nowadays

[vagrant pagoda]

Huh?

5700x3d is $200

[unkempt lake]

For a dead platform

[vagrant pagoda]

And?

Low isn't about expandability

It's about price

Low end competes with consoles, which have zero upgrades

[astral haven]

you always get worse price/perf by getting the most recent platform, thats never going to change

[vagrant pagoda]

5700x3d will be incredibly usable for a long long time

[unkempt lake]

It's cool if you want to upgrade your am4 system but if you're building from scratch why eould you look yourself into a dead platform

[astral haven]

because its cheaper for better performance

[vagrant pagoda]

Considering first gen ryzen is still the spec for games

[unkempt lake]

But then you're stuck needing a new mobo once ir ain't enough

[vagrant pagoda]

We will be past AM5 by then

[unkempt lake]

Recent games kinda push for 8/9th gen intel and 3000 zen

[astral haven]

most folks wait long enough to upgrade that thats needed anyways

[vagrant pagoda]

For 60fps?

[astral haven]

8/9 intel isnt comparable to 3000 zen

[vagrant pagoda]

Not a chance

[unkempt lake]

Look at helldivers

[vagrant pagoda]

Low end is 1080p60 club

[unkempt lake]

9000 intel beats out 3000 zen by a bit

In gaming because its clocked higher

In productivity different story

Look at horizon forbiden weat @vagrant pagoda

West

If you want 60fps in the burning shores ps5 area you need a 9th gen intel or a 3000zen cpu

[astral haven]

you aint gonna be running a 4090, just drop the settings

[vagrant pagoda]

1300x is the min spec for forbidden west

[unkempt lake]

Wgen You're cpu bound dropping settings won't do much

[unkempt lake]

Try playing the burning shores area

It's completely different from the rest of the game cpu wise

[vagrant pagoda]

With a low end GPU?

[astral haven]

all of this bs about being "bound" by cpu or gpu is usually nonsense, particularly when you dont have top end components

[unkempt lake]

I can tell you a 9700k @5ghz was struggling in burning shores in forbiden west at some moments

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah

[astral haven]

running what 3200 ram?

[unkempt lake]

I know someone with a 10900k same result

[unkempt lake]

3600

[frozen ingot]

sounds like shitty optimization

[vagrant pagoda]

You aren't CPU binding anything on a 5700x3d without 500+ on a GPU

And that's only at 1080p

[unkempt lake]

It's made with ps5 as the min spec unlike the rest of the game which was made with ps4 in mind

[vagrant pagoda]

Saying it's not a good low-end part is wack

[unkempt lake]

I have a friend with a 3600x that was getting around 45 fps in that area

Like... it's really cpu heavy

[vagrant pagoda]

5700x3d with a peerless assassin is wild

[unkempt lake]

Like most games that have ps5 as a base

[astral haven]

the 10900k is so ram bottlenecked you can double performance from high end xmp sticks
and the 9700k is worse since its got less cache and no HT

[vagrant pagoda]

You couldn't touch that relative performance for $250 EVER

[unkempt lake]

Yes some of that is possibly shitty optimization but you guys get my point i think

Ps5 is raising cpu requirements

[astral haven]

the ps5 is a 5700xt and a 3700x pretty much

[unkempt lake]

Especially with a ps5 pro on the way

[unkempt lake]

Which run a crazy lighweight os

[astral haven]

youd be surprised

[unkempt lake]

No background tasks and have optimization

[vagrant pagoda]

The OS isn't the reason it runs so good

It's the compilers

[astral haven]

no

[vagrant pagoda]

Platform optimization on consoles is absolutely insane

[astral haven]

the reason it runs so well is they tune the settings for the hardware specifically

[unkempt lake]

Which means you don't have a choice but to have better pc hardware to get the same level

Gotta brute force it

[astral haven]

or you can just spend a minute looking up the digital foundry video and matching their settings

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah and a 5700x3d is a massive improvement over ps5

You can easily tune a PC to run about the same

Windows isn't that bad

[unkempt lake]

But then you're SOL when you need to upgrade, new ram new mobo

[vagrant pagoda]

Modern DX and Vulkan have low overheads

[vagrant pagoda]

Again it will be so long before it's out of date

You'd need a way faster GPU than any low/mid setup to tap it out

[astral haven]

or you just get a new gpu, and be fine since all the games you listed gain great benefit from nice gpus

[unkempt lake]

Go try playing alan wake 2 on a 3700x + 5700xt

[vagrant pagoda]

GPU generations matter a ton more for games

[unkempt lake]

Which have been shit in the low/mid range

Stagnation

[astral haven]

so dont buy a low/mid cpu and gpu, just buy a good gpu

[vagrant pagoda]

I literally went from 4790k to 5800x3d and 4790k was still hanging on fine for 90% of games

[unkempt lake]

The hell do you play lol

[astral haven]

well you probably had decent ram

[vagrant pagoda]

4060, vs 1660ti is stagnation?

[astral haven]

no ion they are just complaining because of inflation

[vagrant pagoda]

Yep

[unkempt lake]

Some of it is that

[vagrant pagoda]

Same launch price, double the performance

[unkempt lake]

Compare 30 series and 40 series tho

In the low/mid range

[vagrant pagoda]

In 4 years

[unkempt lake]

Compare 6000 and 7000 in the low/mid range

It's a meme rn

[vagrant pagoda]

4060 is cheaper

At launch, and 30% faster

Please tell me where the stagnation is

[unkempt lake]

With crappy vram numbers

[vagrant pagoda]

That don't matter

[astral haven]

you say while comparing to a ps5 lel

[vagrant pagoda]

4060 was $30 LESS at launch than the 3060 and 30% faster

How is that stagnation

[tawny hemlock]

fr

[vagrant pagoda]

AMD hit really fucking hard to make that happen

Nvidia had to drop the vram to keep the price down to make it competitive

[astral haven]

well thats taking it a bit far

nvidia had the leeway to drop the vram while still keeping it competitive

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean Nvidia could make every GeForce free and still go up in stock price

[astral haven]

yea but i doubt nvidia would run negative margin on a 4060 with 16gb of vram

except at the absolute bottom end in the polaris days, they were pretty safe from low margins

[vagrant pagoda]

For sure

Saying low end has stagnated is wild

4060 launch was less than 1060 after inflation

Grantwd that's mid-range

[fierce badger]

Is anyone here experienced with dacs/amps?

[vagrant pagoda]

That's the lowest we got for 4000

[astral haven]

eh, people want to buy the newest stuff and dont like number go up
we will have to get used to inflation and previous gens being the low end for new gens

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah

It's honestly better

Used/last gen old stock gives you better performance

And frankly looks good

Like would you rather a 4050 or 2080s?

[astral haven]

personally 4050 but thats bc i want the hdr upscaling, for gaming def 2080s

[vagrant pagoda]

Really the only thing that it hurts is oems

But it's almost a good thing because they don't have current in trash to your gpus to try to advertise

Slap a 1030gt in so we can say it has Nvidia graphics!

[astral haven]

yea, thats the good thing about apus
while they cripple your future gpu perf, and have crippled cpus, the apu part is still ok

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean x8 isn't bad

It's the fact it's last gen x8 that sucks

[astral haven]

and thats if you are lucky

sometimes its x4

[vagrant pagoda]

Really?

What apu has x4?

[astral haven]

the apu has x8 but 4 gets used for the m.2

they are laptop chips first...

[vagrant pagoda]

Lol

I thought all apus still had the full sb-link

Why wouldn't you just pull m.2 off sb

[astral haven]

its to keep the slot functional in the motherboard probably

[vagrant pagoda]

Ah

I mean

As long as you have a 4.0 gpu

82% on 1.1 is about the same as 4.0x4

[astral haven]

people wont whine about their gpu being 10% slower as much as their ssd being 100% slower

[vagrant pagoda]

Yep

And you'd likely only use a 4060 in something like that

So scaling could be better

[astral haven]

or some of the radeon trash that has the lanes cut off anyways

only the lowest end of their stuff has only x4
oem only afaik

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean if it doesn't need it

@astral haven you think d15g2 will do better with minimum airflow than p1?

I have dual 180s ducted from the bottom, though the p1, into psu

They run 15% pwm

[astral haven]

i would guess so but idfk

you have the p1 already, so just use it

[vagrant pagoda]

I got the d15 for something else

But figured it try it

Though I might not fit with my ram

As I'd would have to be rotated

[gusty kiln]

I'm interested in their thermalsiphon

[vagrant pagoda]

?

[gusty kiln]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/21446/noctua-shows-off-thermosiphon-based-cpu-cooler-prototype-at-computex-2024

no pump noise

[vagrant pagoda]

Ah

[mild dome]

I believe Ice Giant was working on a similar project.

They sell an aluminium version currently, but they wanted to make a copper version that looks much like Noctua's

Actually they now have the copper cooler on preorder
https://www.icegiantcooling.com/products/titan-360

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/9fXb8weOCyM

[modest hamlet]

I think its cool as frig talking about min maxing setups, pricing, power, etc. its all cool. I mean in a sense its talking about the history of tech and then building on what was made to make the best of what is out there within ones means and needed purpose or really just for fun. One aspect that comes to my mind about all of this is how companies made their most cost-effective and performance relative choices in concern to most of their products . Like how now it's not as much of a thing to OC components as efficiency goes down and power draw goes up for minimal gains in what people use their systems for ie software. I see this continuing (I think thats an ok thing) but it shows that the overhead isn't there since nm process has shrunk but afaik they have reached a hard limit and since that is a thing I think before the roll out of smaller processes, efficiency will be the biggest thing moving forward. For a time till some cool awesome new tech comes along. IDK maybe it will be easier for Software to catch up and be more efficient

sry for the blob of ramble 😅

[sudden imp]

Oh that’s sick

[vagrant pagoda]

The best Laing Gong has to offer

[astral haven]

think more the companies are overclocking automatically rather than it having anything to do with the manufacturing

[modest hamlet]

ok yeah easy number to go up at the cost of the consumer and for noobs bigger number better, I was thinking about how ARM being the "new" competitor overclocking is gonna go to the way side for a time. May be the retirement of x86 is more likely? Well at least for Laptops?

[ashen spindle]

lol

x86 is not going away anywhere

arm isnt coming up because its better its because its the only option non intel/amd companies have

[thick elk]

I wonder if it would have made sense for Qualcomm to port the arch to RiscV as there was little advantage to having ARM on Windows anyway. Since they are using their own cores anyway.

[ashen spindle]

nah riscv isnt there yet

[wheat plume]

For the Predictive Back Gesture on Android 15
Must app devs actually plan their app to allow that to work or does Android have some way of making it work automatically on all apps?

Cause it's in Android 14 but hidden under the Developer Settings
And it only works in limited apps ;_;

And Google want to have it enabled by default in 15

[astral haven]

You can force enable it by editing the apk, and it seems to have just worked so far

[modest hamlet]

is x86 still that good that not all laptop companies and Apple along with all phones (IDK how many Trillions there are in that group) are going to turn away from it? or is competition good and x 86 need to step it up?

[ashen spindle]

x86 or arm doesnt matter

they are basically the same it matter how you add the rest of the chip

they basically do the same 5 basic instructions

[modest hamlet]

alright if boiled down that far then none of this matters and x86 and ARM are the same at 2nm right?

[ashen spindle]

yes

[modest hamlet]

right the sun is gonna blow up in 4 billlion years so nothing matters is what Im getting from this convo

[ashen spindle]

??

x86 is licensed so aside from intel and amd you wont get a modern cpu using that (china stuff and etc. aside)

apple/snapdragon chips use arm because thats the only viable alternative atm

it's neither better nor worse

risc-v isn't quite there yet so you arent getting risc-v microsoft laptops yet

so it matters what you use but just ISA alone makes no real difference

[modest hamlet]

except for software? and use case?"

[ashen spindle]

you talked about the retirement of x86 and overclocking, what does software have to do with that now

not sure what your point even is now

[modest hamlet]

I was talking about how I think rn that intell at least needs to get in there since they are a few nm behind and run hot right?

[ashen spindle]

thats not because of x86

and they arent behind either they literally use the same tsmc node as apple

[modest hamlet]

and since they are a VAST majority of the x86 market over all its gonna be more E core not P core

so the new "Ultra" line is fine and dandy? or will we see a big bump in ARM hard ware?

[ashen spindle]

the snapdragons are in many points not even beating meteor lake so no we aren't going to se a big bump from that lol

and the igpu has a lot of driver issues still

[modest hamlet]

also to my point was that the reason to OC wasn't just cause of number go up but for use of software and since that isn't being used and mobo makers got called out and changed that x86 will need to go for efficiency instead of number go up?

[ashen spindle]

I'm sorry but I have no clue what you are trying to say

[modest hamlet]

IDK I guess Im trying to figure out the brand strategy

[ashen spindle]

of what company

[modest hamlet]

yes

[ashen spindle]

thats not a yes or no question...

[modest hamlet]

yeah I was beeing cheeky, like what will be the new thing since there is a paced race to as far as I can tell 2nm

like every one has to make money along the way

[ashen spindle]

you are all over the place how is 2nm relevant now

2nm is what next gen will be on sure and then its 1.6 or 1.4 or whatever, it's nothing special

[modest hamlet]

ok so what would be (in conventional chips) be beyond 2 nm?

[ashen spindle]

so first of, 2nm is just a marketing name

nothing in a 2nm chip is actually 2nm long

[modest hamlet]

you get what Im asking tho right?

[ashen spindle]

no?

after 2nm the nodes are called 16A or A14 depending on if its intel or tsmc

some use GAA some don't

there is nothing special at 2nm

[modest hamlet]

and beyond that?

how many years are conventional chips going to get smaller/better?

[ashen spindle]

here current roadmap

unknown at this point but doesnt seem like it's stopping this decade

heres one analysis for till 2036

[modest hamlet]

so it seems to me like there is a law of diminishing returns working and if the limit afaik being 1nm cause baby -e' s like to hop around at that size of chip what is going to be the next step overall. And if that is an ? wouldn't that mean that everybody involved is at a market set paced race (not like it hasn't been like that before but)

hey thanks for the feed back and info thats pretty gosh darn cool

[ashen spindle]

1nm is not a limit

again those numbers are just marketing and made up

[astral haven]

yep, current 3nm transistors are 48nm X 24nm?

[modest hamlet]

ok so lets go further with that at the edge of known material science that is what I am talking about. Im talking about electrons jumping around on the wafer has that been solved?

[astral haven]

define solved
its a problem to deal with just like heat and frequency
you just keep working around it

[modest hamlet]

my info may be old idk

[astral haven]

its not just old, its also very broad

[modest hamlet]

right yeah, hummm

sorry if I frustrated anyone, social media sucks.

[astral haven]

there are trillions of dollars spent on improving the tech

if you drill down into the tech improvements, its always made of more smaller tech improvements that add on each other

[modest hamlet]

for sure the more people involved that come together to solve a problem usually the better, the zerg rush of bleeding edge tech? anyone have any books to recommend or videos?

https://tenor.com/view/sunrvs-daejasunrvs-gif-14625928954088102102

[astral haven]

listen to any interview with Jim Keller

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFVDZeg4RVY&t=0s

this is the one that includes arm vs x86 vs risc-v

[modest hamlet]

Cheers peeps, thank you much.

[astral haven]

whenever you hear a word you dont understand, pause and look it up

[lyric hatch]

Can listen to Jim all day

Or a bit of John Carmack

[astral haven]

what a beaut

[manic roost]

Dude what is the pcb thickness on wooting 60he+ module

[hasty thunder]

1.6 mm

[manic roost]

Thank you great sir

[glossy eagle]

Anyone Know what's a good site to buy gateron jade switches ?

[digital cliff]

whichever you want

same switches regardless

[pale sigil]

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/dev-boots-a-pc-from-google-drive-storage-storage-less-laptop-becomes-a-truly-cloud-native-computer

[ashen spindle]

neat, where is that from?

[wheat plume]

Why does Opera GX need to send notifications for low battery and Wi-Fi connections?

[umbral heron]

Why would you use Opera?

[old marlin]

if you are a microloan and ccp enjoyer ig

https://www.spacebar.news/stop-using-opera-browser/

[halcyon moss]

if you want to use opera.. use vivaldi

[wheat plume]

I'm trying to get my friend who only uses Opera to stop using Opera

She says she will never use Chrome because of privacy concerns
And she won't use a "backwater" browser such as Firefox because apparently a lot of her websites don't work and it's really slow

[reef patrol]

[wheat plume]

She also uses the sidebar to login to discord so that she doesn't need to install the discord app

[umbral heron]

One has no right to say any other browser is slow if they use Opera ffs

[pale sigil]

Guessing that's not em

[wheat plume]

? Huh?

[pale sigil]

Doesn't she use Opera GX

[wheat plume]

Yes

[old marlin]

send her that link

[umbral heron]

Give her Chromium then Or Brave or Arc

[wheat plume]

Arc still pretty bad on Windows

[old marlin]

brave is also sus

[steep creek]

it’s doable ish but not as polished as macos

[wheat plume]

She's happy to use Windows but doesn't use Chrome claiming privacy concerns xxddd

[umbral heron]

I just... try to understand that... She has privacy concerns and wants fast browser... And chose Opera from other possible browsers

[wheat plume]

Yep

[old marlin]

so she prefers giving data to the ccp and google instead of just google?

what search engine does she use?

[wheat plume]

Yes.. apparently

[wheat plume]

Google.....

[old marlin]

using google + using youtube

and they got all they need from you anyways

only thing missing is accepting cookies on amazon ig

[wheat plume]

And Facebook tracking pixels

[fair gull]

so have you tried arc with her

[shrewd cipher]

Opera, the trustworthy browser with the history of being bloatware that came with everything and has now been sold to a chinese company..

[tender scarab]

Talking about browsers for the ones that don't trust and/or like any of the current available browser because of their performance, company behind or any other reason put yourself a reminder for 2026 :p
https://ladybird.org/ should publish the first early adopter alpha. It will be a browser made from scrach web engine included
In the meantime if some want to have a look & try at it : https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird

[umbral heron]

Hoping that somebody will pick up servo already and make a functional browser on top of it https://github.com/servo/servo

[shrewd cipher]

Also, since when is FF slow? Its actually pretty fast for me.

[umbral heron]

FF is slow only on YouTube, because Google actively tried to artificially slow it down there
But that was enough for people I guess

[reef patrol]

Mhmm.

[shrewd cipher]

Oh yeah, i remember that one

They already got donked for it tho

[tender scarab]

Tbh i hope this renderer will soon be included in some browser i want a third one in the field not just webkit vs Gecko

[winged onyx]

edge superior

[shrewd cipher]

Meh.. Since they tried to shove it down my throat, i give them the middle finger..

[zenith silo]

Not even slow for me lol

[umbral heron]

Neither for me

[shrewd cipher]

Thats what im saing

Google tried, but got a backlash

[umbral heron]

Two biggest issues of Firefox is lack of WebUSB support (which partially exists anyway, since it does recognize and support hardware keys like Yubikey)
And lack of support for PWA apps (which also changes, as of lately Microsoft supports Teams v2 in Firefox natively)

Google is the problem, they are pushing their own standards, with no care in the world, and other browsers have to listen to them, or risk breaking websites
So, as long as any browser based on anything other than Chromium will dethrone it from pseudo-monopoly it is in now - I'm happy

[tender scarab]

Firefox is all fine by me too as long as i don't go to a google website There always a new bad surprise until people start to complain.
But have some trouble with it since explicit sync on nvidia wayland so i have migrated to chromium in the meantime that firefox fix they're thread rendering issue but i don't feel any improvement on any point from one to another

[shrewd cipher]

I even yeeted google off my phone, its running in a very limited sandbox.

[raw zephyr]

i like youtube-local as a replacement, it does everything i need it to do https://github.com/user234683/youtube-local

[umbral heron]

Is... is that literal example of Virgin API consumer vs Chad third-party scraper meme?

[wheat plume]

🤔

Did I just get V3?

nvm it works now wtf

I need to find a way to move these sandboxes to Firefox instead

but Firefox is really bad at disabling the UI ;-;

[wheat plume]

oh hey its the browser Brodie made a video of https://youtu.be/4vm_6mDEgL4

[tender scarab]

Yup watch it as it came out, and the discussion came out should have link it with my post

[vagrant pagoda]

API are for people who cant use regex

[raw zephyr]

yup, it's good

[vagrant pagoda]

There is a YouTube music app and it's dope

https://ytmdesktop.app/

Login is wonky sometimes because Google, but it's easily 10/10

[wheat plume]

🤔

idk if I trust this stuff with my google login

[astral haven]

Cnc

[wheat plume]

AppImage, nice nice

[digital cliff]

i.e. it will be garbage for the next 10 years

[wheat plume]

How does this app have so much code?! its literally just a container for the website

[old marlin]

isn't there an official app that does exactly that

[wheat plume]

yeah, discord xd

[old marlin]

I mean for yt music

[wheat plume]

and spotify too and many other electron apps

[wheat plume]

no, yt music doesnt have an official app, only on phones

you can "install" it using Chrome but it doesnt do anything in terms of keeping that tab isolated from the main browser + it has really ugly horrible mis-sized window titlebars

[zenith silo]

Yeah it's only for mobile as an app

[old marlin]

ah ok

[zenith silo]

Tbh I just use Spotify with a "cracked" premium

Never was a fan of YouTube music

Don't like Spotify the greatest either but prefer it over yt music for sure

[wheat plume]

used to blocks ads on spotify desktop using a hosts file back in the day xd

[zenith silo]

Never paid for Spotify, also never used it with ads/limited skips

I refuse to pay for ad free services, I'll block ads or stop using it

[balmy vector]

Block ads til the day i die

[marsh glade]

We fight the good fight 🦾

[zenith silo]

Amen

💪💪

[zenith silo]

Not the Winnie the Pooh gummy bear

[wheat plume]

nah that sticker cursed

[vagrant pagoda]

Not a fan of the new brown 😦

The old fan matches the new box, so it's definitely the new fans that are off.

Also it will not clear my ram/vrm at all

Tried all 4 directions, no dice

[mild dome]

Those new fans are made from Liquid Crystal polymer aren't they?

[halcyon moss]

Close case, problem. Solved

[astral haven]

as were the old ones

the new ones dont look like lcp where the old ones definetly have that look

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah in GN review it's the same

G2 looks washed out/faded

[astral haven]

oh wait brighter is old?

[sharp badger]

Yes

[astral haven]

then its the new ones that have higher fiber/lcp content

[sharp badger]

https://youtu.be/heriTDWIU2g

Should be

[analog sinew]

is it better

i dont wanna have to buy it lol

[smoky frigate]

it's $150

[analog sinew]

oof

[smoky frigate]

so idc how good it is 😛

[vagrant pagoda]

Definitely not worth the price imo

[unkempt lake]

As an upgrade its not worth it, for someone who likes the noctua sound signature and doesn't have one yet i could see the appeal

It's def a niche product tho

[vagrant pagoda]

Over the d15 for $110

[unkempt lake]

I mean hell... the og d15

Is a better value

[vagrant pagoda]

It isn't worth it

[unkempt lake]

Nh u12a reigns supreme

[vagrant pagoda]

$40 for 2 heat pipes that don't get any heat, and new fans

Nah peerless assassin is supreme

$1 per watt cooled

[unkempt lake]

If you swap the fans

[vagrant pagoda]

Nah

Stock

[unkempt lake]

Call me picky about noise

I may be

But peerless + fan swap

[vagrant pagoda]

PA is 1 db louder than the g2 on amd

And 1 degree warmer with noise normalize

How dose it need new fans?

PA is better than og D15 and within a degree of the G2, for $30

[gusty nexus]

phantom spirit is even better than the peerless assassin for the same price

[vagrant pagoda]

Ps is $50

[smoky frigate]

competing against something that's 1/5th your price, ouch

[gusty nexus]

mine was 38 euros

[vagrant pagoda]

Derp I was looking at the se

PA vs PS is 30 vs 35 XD

[wheat plume]

more COSMIC updates!!! https://youtu.be/B2sdCmFVSTk

[pale sigil]

https://www.hotukdeals.com/share-deal-from-app/4370256

Insanely good price

[wheat plume]

ublock blocked this link xd

[pale sigil]

It will do

It's using referral links

[pale sigil]

https://www.very.co.uk/lenovo-ideapad-gaming-3-laptop-156in-fhdnbsprtx-4050nbspamd-ryzen-5-8gb-ram-512gbnbspssd/1600941474.prd

[wheat plume]

650 euro damn.....

There is also a 10% off code in the description

[pale sigil]

Lana

Pls

[pale sigil]

^

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-whole-point-well-duh-duh-no-shit-obviously-gif-10441125

[wheat plume]

That link don't work

[pale sigil]

You can see the desc

[wheat plume]

Not the price xd

[halcyon moss]

A 4050? Mobile?

Will that make you happy callum?

[pale sigil]

Oh I don't want it

I just noticed it and i thought it was a solid price!

[halcyon moss]

Oh

[pale sigil]

Personally what puts me off is the screen and chassis.

I wouldn't mind a 4050 though

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5tfZxOrEucGZwltaIUFbYN1pDbq2hf33

It's genuinely decent

[fierce terrace]

150 for noctua gen 2

[lyric hatch]

dB doesnt show the full picture 🤷

What's the frequency of the fan sound like when running at those dB

That's the sort of stuff you're paying for with noctua, plus warranty, customer support, sustainable packaging etc

[old marlin]

Aot of it is industrial users

They want to deploy 100 workstations with coolers where they can expect minimal failures and in turn downtimes

[fierce terrace]

try harder with that price excuses

[old marlin]

Arctic also gives you good support and 6 years of warranty on their liquid freezers btw

[lyric hatch]

Idk if I spend $3000 on my PC I think pairing it with a $150 high quality cooler makes sense but that's just me

[old marlin]

Nah db is a bad measurement when talking about how humans detect sound

Db alone that is

[fierce terrace]

harder!!

[smoky frigate]

if the dB on it were amazing nobody would make that argument

[old marlin]

You'd essentially need to multiply it with the frequency response of a human ear + look into what frequency droning you get at what db

[fierce terrace]

well maybe but its still some measurement that you can refer to

[old marlin]

Yes but it also is somewhat useless

Since it could be 35 dba white noise or 35 dba of high pitched droning

[fair gull]

hahaha i just found out that the new ssh vuln that was patched a day or 2 ago takes a month or more to exploit (actively timing out every 2 minutes if the config wasnt changed) and only works if you allow usernames that are over 100kB long

hillariously impractical

[old marlin]

[lyric hatch]

From what I read they had only managed go get it to work on 32 bit systems and it took over 8 hours

[fair gull]

na the same company with the 32bit vuln (which they first tried on ancient version before throwing it at new version) managed to do it on 64bit after finding more free calls they can abuse with the aforementioned super long username

[smoky frigate]

lots of servers running shitty unpatched debian

[fair gull]

their first attempt at using it on 64bit linux failed for months straight though

[fair gull]

the funny part is this vuln was patched for a long time after 2006

and got reintroduced when the code was cleaned up

and someone removed a compiler if macro

[steel cave]

@umbral heron ordered a wooting 80 btw, thank you for your help yesterday

[smoky frigate]

hehehe. it's like humans forgetting the cure for scurvy in the 1500s, to be rediscovered in the 1930s

[fair gull]

but yeah debian backported the fix to their current openssh

[lyric hatch]

Surprised it took this long for someone to find that it was missing

Maybe some people knew about it 👀

[fair gull]

good question

[reef patrol]

https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/2/24190632/netflix-ad-free-basic-plan-discontinued

Something something Netflix is becoming the reason people pirate. Ironically becoming that which they tried to fight in the first place

[sharp badger]

Eh lost interest of watching stuff on Netflix

[umbral heron]

I mean... If they serve ads from other server than video, you can setup piHole and have better plan for cheaper

[reef patrol]

[thick elk]

For me it's just I don't watch enough TV shows to warrant a subscription, I watch them from a multitude of services, so no real viable path for me, unless I pay per episode.

[ashen spindle]

yeah well the same was said last time when they stopped password sharing now netflix stock is up insane amounts since then because most people are too lazy to not just pay more

[thick elk]

That sure goes for most people yea.
Edge case of a person picky about shows I want, watch them at a very slow pace, known how to pirate most my life.

[umbral heron]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-me-adrian-boseman-the-good-fight-look-its-me-i-cant-relate-gif-21896793

[ashen spindle]

I mean it was nice for me because I had netflix stock but dont use the service lol

[thick elk]

Fair.

I will say that I put aside money now to buy my most liked albums.

[frozen ingot]

yep if you really like a particular album or artist buy actual copies of their work

can't trust the corpobros to keep it around forever

[thick elk]

Started december, just stick to buying a € 10 which I inflation correct every calendar year every month.

[smoky frigate]

well unless they're all dead so fuck buying it

[frozen ingot]

or in the case of movies/shows, tamper with it to make sure it doesn't offend anyone

[lyric hatch]

Guilty of owning like 8 vinyl of some my fav artists and no vinyl player

[smoky frigate]

the majority of vinyl is bought as gifts

the boutique market is just how that format survives, and that's A-OK by me

[frozen ingot]

I got a record player but its not a particularly fancy one

[smoky frigate]

at least we live in a time where you can go into a normal store and they have vinyl again, which is pretty epic

[thick elk]

I only got one CD, but really I just go with a download.
Spend relatively much on the whole having a physical thing part.

[frozen ingot]

I got a lot of old cds from the 90s/00s

[smoky frigate]

got a car early this year that only has a CD player, so now I'm driving with a stack of CDs again lel

[frozen ingot]

I don't really care if cd is the only format available I'll grab it and rip it

[thick elk]

you could probably replace the radio with something with an aux connector at least and do anything from there.

[smoky frigate]

well sure I could, but it gives me an excuse to burn through a stack of CD-Rs that I found for free

I even got the magic markers and sharpies out to draw on them, it's pretty fun

[digital cliff]

meanwhile I've only ever experienced having just a CD player lmao

so I always drive with a stack of physical music haha

[frozen ingot]

I recently stumbled upon some old computer e-waste and harvested a cd/dvd drive from one of the cases, finally got hold of a sata one

I actually have one in my ancient xp machine but its an IDE port one

[smoky frigate]

based. I last did 10 years ago. though with aux cables and ports wearing out all the time, I can't say I haven't missed it a few times

also fucking android resetting the volume every now and then just to annoy me

[frozen ingot]

had fun going through some old cd-r's I still have that's like 20+ years by now

surprising amount still work

[smoky frigate]

if you store them out of sunlight they'll last a lifetime

[frozen ingot]

haven't burned a cd since 2005 or so probably, wouldn't even know what software to use or where to find empty discs still

[digital cliff]

I did want to replace my radio unit with one with modern amenities such as BT and stuff but the contoured trim-plate makes it so I'd have a mad-max-esque scramble of wires and subassembly showing if I ripped out the factory radio and installed an aftermarket one

so I just ultimately decided to live in CD life

[smoky frigate]

you see a lot of transporter cars with that mangy radio sticking outta the dashboard look, and then they often chuck an impossible to use 20euro china radio in there

[thick elk]

Mom's care does not have BT and such but does have an aux connector.

dad's car is old enough to fit easily replacable standard sized unit but speakers are meh and I don't drive it anyway. Would definitely change it if it was my care and I actually used it.

[wheat plume]

idk how Microsoft fit an entire computer into the space that an iPad takes up but I like this trend
JerryRigEverything

The shade towards Apple is real XD

[final flame]

I mean, any car with a 3.5 mil connector can support bluetooth, just needs a receiver
even if you don't have one and you still have a cassette deck you can add 3.5mm support

[digital cliff]

these are actually ingenious, it's literally wires straight from the 3.5mm into a magnet that plays make-pretend to be a tape

kinda want some proper cassettes and a deck though haha

[smoky frigate]

kind of like the cartridge in a turntable when you think about it. why do hipsters not love these

[frozen ingot]

I have a few decks here, both kinda need some tlc tho

[smoky frigate]

I got an 80s boombox with a serviced deck just for tapes

[frozen ingot]

problem with tape decks, they tend to often be ludicrously complicated to service and maintain

[smoky frigate]

it's a hunk of plastic shit, so you know it's authentic

[digital cliff]

I mean yeah they are a fuss and a half but it's electromechanical in the most twisted sense of the word and I love it

[frozen ingot]

yeah some of those old decks were insanely intricate in their design

its like the opposite of what consumer electronics are now

[smoky frigate]

they had a different idea of luxury I think, more bells and whistles

[frozen ingot]

got this old technics deck here and its a nice spec but like 1 out of 7 times you put a tape in it'll start to chew it up

and I've yet to work out why

[analog sinew]

it craves their flesh

[frozen ingot]

wish I wasn't shite at old electromech stuff

[unkempt lake]

Not the dba that bothers me

Its the sound signature

[vagrant pagoda]

Got one on my nas, can't even hear it

And my desktop is a p1 in a Torrent with just the 180s at 10-20%

[unkempt lake]

It's a nas

[vagrant pagoda]

It's closerto me head than my desktop

[unkempt lake]

It just sits at idle most of the time...

You could prob run it at 0 rpm

[vagrant pagoda]

No it runs about 70% on a average

[fast crag]

Anyone has experience with this mouse? Heard its good but im indecisive about getting TTC or opticals

[smoky fractal]

id just go with the opticals

both of those switches are pretty light and spammable

[fast crag]

Thanks

[smoky fractal]

what mouse are you coming from?

or using currently I should say

[fast crag]

Superlight 1, heard the beast max is almost the same shape like it

[smoky fractal]

Nice, yeah I think its a good choice for you

much better latency as well

[lyric hatch]

I prefer the black dots personally, a nicer feeling switch

[gusty kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKRmYW1D0S0

[fast crag]

Yeah, i was looking into lots of mouses and that was the final verdict

[fast crag]

Lmao yeah why i ask others. I know its personal preference but both sound good and everything but i do like the opticals have less latency?

[lyric hatch]

It's a pretty marginal difference, worth the trade off imo

Also little known factor but opticals use a decent amount more power then mech switches

[umbral heron]

WOW! Nobody has expected that

[modest hamlet]

I memeber my friend had only a radio in an old car or the tape deck was broke but they had this

but I guess there is this now.

both short distance FM transmitter? Used to hook up the CD player to it

[pale sigil]

Ye

[gusty kiln]

what he said about driver support is crazy

gpu drivers

[pale sigil]

Battery life seems to be damn impressive though

[hasty thunder]

that's just ARM to you

[ashen spindle]

no thats snapdragon using low power core designs ported up from phones and the devs being the apple m1 devs

if you want to see low power x86 look at steam deck at like <=5W they just arent focusing design on that

[umbral heron]

Windows on ARM PC isn't there and won't be there still for quite a while
Apple can do ARM because they have ton of experience from years of iPhone development and their closed and concise ecosystem
Linux can do ARM because it supported it for years now, be it in form of Android, SBCs, smart devices and so on
Nvidia, AMD and Intel can do PC, most importantly - the firmware and drivers part

Now, we have Microsoft, who can't into ARM - last time they tried with Windows Phone it was a major flop, and on top of that Windows ecosystem is all over the place, everybody do whatever they want just to make things work - and we have Qualcomm, who can't into PCs - they were fine with mobile market, where they had to adjust SoC, firmware and drivers to several devices at most, but now, on PCs, they can only boot into Windows and run it, barely. It couldn't work...

[ashen spindle]

yup and if you want impressive batter power, that was the plan with the steam deck apu, that was for surface and then it got canned so we didnt get it in laptops for low power model

[umbral heron]

Wonder if one could make simplified x86 - drop support of the least used instructions in favour of executing several more common ones, both optimizing execution of common instructions and simplifying the design
Maybe it'd be possible with performance of current x86 CPUs

[ashen spindle]

afaik the instructions arent really any issue it's just design targets for what you want

[umbral heron]

Hmm... I'll have to read about it some more then

[ashen spindle]

just look at the steam deck vs regular zen2 laptops, it's not lacking any instructions

[modest hamlet]

I really wanna hear the stories behind the buying of Nokia and the fumble of the Win phones to the 3 rd? try of an ARM launch after the NDA's time out (if ever). What the heck MS. The real thing that gets me is how the workers feel that they worked so hard and in then end it just fizzles out. Sure you get paid but nothing comes out of your hard work. SUCK

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/rtx-4090-super-modded-gpu/

Wild the 3090ti PCB would work for a 4090

[crimson wigeon]

Windows RT so irrelevant everyone forgets about it

[fair gull]

you mean it sucked so much we should forget about it

[crimson wigeon]

Of course

[mild dome]

To be faaaaaiiiirrrr on Windows phone, it mostly flopped because it was late to the market. Being late to the market meant that not-apple was already taken by Android it and it would've been a big up hill battle to get app support.

Also yeah the problem x86 has isn't with the instructions, but how those instructions are handled, and a lot of legacy systems used by their customers need it to stay that way.
You might like this video
https://youtu.be/xCBrtopAG80?si=B2znVAXv1-5SQzX8

[steep creek]

heres the reply to that lol
https://chipsandcheese.com/2024/03/27/why-x86-doesnt-need-to-die/

[ashen spindle]

The video is titled badly it’s about the blogpost that the cnc article also responds to but isn’t just repeating the false article

But yes the CnC article covers well why the arguments are dumb

[fair gull]

i feel like this is dumb in general

just let people use what they want

wouldnt the better architecture rise up naturally anyway

[old marlin]

[umbral heron]

Microsoft wants jump onto ARM bandwagon because Apple did so
Instead of embrace and expand on x86

[old marlin]

that would be the case if people were informed

[old marlin]

they wanna jump on the arm bandwagon because people assume it is better

[ashen spindle]

it's more about people thinking arm has better efficency so arm laptops have better battery and thus it's a good idea to buy that when its worse or the same

[whole axle]

I thought arm was superior in every way?

[ashen spindle]

people can use what they want but many are very misinformed on what actually matters

in the case of arm/x86 they are essentially equal and the only thing that matters is how its used and the software on top of it

arm is not inherently better in anything

[whole axle]

Well after seeing arm gaming I can see that 💀

[ashen spindle]

thats also not the fault of arm

[marsh glade]

Does anyone else have a glitch with a recent Pixel update where if you unlock your phone the moment that you receive a notification that it gets stuck vibrating?

I mean, great for certain situations I guess, but not while I'm at work

[zenith silo]

Ayo WHAT

[marsh glade]

You know, like for a cat toy

[zenith silo]

Oh nah someone take marks phone away

[umbral heron]

Nah, phone isn't strong enough

[fair gull]

next week is samsung showcase of upcoming products... hope they reveal a new zflip phone

[vagrant pagoda]

I feel like windows doing arm thin and light mobile and low end desktop, while keeping x86 for the rest is smart

I feel like arm+dgpu will be huge for laptop

The Samsung laptop with a 4050 would be straight fire

[ashen spindle]

I mean they could have just asked intel or amd for a low power model instead

[solar hinge]

I just want a different company to make a phone with a pen like the Samsung ultra. Samsung is such shit 😂

[vagrant pagoda]

Huh?

You mean dgpu Or CPU?

[ashen spindle]

for thin and light moblie low end

like there is no real benefit to use snapdragon/other arm chips there just to have it be arm

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes there is

Massive power efficiency difference

Sure and/Intel could lower the power, but then arm would just be faster with the same battery life, instead of the same speed with more battery life