🔌│tech

[glass stag]

I never would've considered AMD before because it was simply a pain in the ass to troubleshoot.

But now they've redeemed themselves

[astral haven]

ryzen sure, but not radeon

[unkempt lake]

7xxx series is pretty reliable

radeon wise

launches were awful tho as usual for amd

[fair gull]

for my current amd adrenalin/driver issue it could also be cause its an rx570(?) or around there but im honestly not interested in finding out at this point

[astral haven]

so was 6xxx series until we learned about all the issues

[unkempt lake]

rx500 series

oh no

the drivers were so bad that gen

[astral haven]

500 series had the best radeon drivers yet

[fair gull]

whatever "up-to-date" drivers they handed me were trash as well

[unkempt lake]

nu uh

i disagree

[little silo]

I just ran BlueScreenView and it didn't show anything. Presumably because it's just making my computer restart.

[unkempt lake]

it should have them be in there

even if it rebooted

rx400/500 was trash drivers wise imo @astral haven

[astral haven]

sure but it was amds best yet

[unkempt lake]

had to help out some people with em and o boy

[astral haven]

same

[astral haven]

but ive also helped out folks with amds prior gen

and i own a copy of something from every gen of radeon prior to 300

[fair gull]

is it only crashing while you do something specific every time? like playing a game or so?

[unkempt lake]

well it wont change much to argue, tony's not getting amd xD

[little silo]

Yep!

[unkempt lake]

idk i just feel like radeon is pretty good nowadays

[fair gull]

have you considered your PSU might not be able to supply enough power to the system and thats why it reboots?

[unkempt lake]

haven't really heard of many issues with rx6000 either besides their launch

[unkempt lake]

that's what im starting to think tbh

bad psu

or slowly failing

[fair gull]

like theres no BSODs the logs only have expected sudden restart errors

[little silo]

It's an SF750, and I haven't had any issues with it at all before. Is there a test I can do?

[little silo]

That's right

[astral haven]

its the best its ever been, i just have high standards

[unkempt lake]

turn down your gpu power limit

way down

give that a try

so it barely takes any power

see if you can boot up your game after

[little silo]

What about my power settings in the control panel?

[astral haven]

and as of yet radeon has yet to finish a generation without any issues

[unkempt lake]

im talking using msi afterburner

your gpu is your main power draw

[little silo]

Of course

[unkempt lake]

you could also just remove it

[astral haven]

dont need afterburner any more

[little silo]

Downloading it now

[unkempt lake]

i just like it better than nvidia's crappy overlay

[astral haven]

its in the shadowplay overlay

[unkempt lake]

i hate the thing

😛

with a passion

[astral haven]

eh its ez pz for power limit

[unkempt lake]

true

[fair gull]

tbf afterburner can also monitor more stats

and do more than just powerlimit

[unkempt lake]

^^this

[astral haven]

4sure, afterburner better but running a bunch of software hurts

[unkempt lake]

it's temporary

he can uninstall after

[fair gull]

not when you just wanna find whats crashing the system

[little silo]

Well for now, I set it at 50%. Will report if anything happens.

[fair gull]

👍

[little silo]

Within Shadowplay.

[fair gull]

wait what gpu and cpu did you have

[unkempt lake]

also did you ever check your cpu temps @little silo

like i told you yesterday

[little silo]

3060 Ti FE, and a 5700G.

[astral haven]

aaaaah thats why radeon was popping up

[unkempt lake]

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

[fair gull]

5700g?

[little silo]

Damn, don't remember seeing it, I'm sorry. Got home late last night.

[little silo]

Yes

[astral haven]

if the errors are radeon related, disable the igpu in bios

[unkempt lake]

talking about amd its strange im on my first full amd build ever

[little silo]

@astral haven Will do.
@unkempt lake How can I keep this open to monitor temps and play the game at the same time?

[unkempt lake]

put your game in windowed mode?

[little silo]

Okay

[unkempt lake]

@astral haven

[astral haven]

sweet setup

[fair gull]

tmw you give up half a gig of ram for iGPU

for no reason

[astral haven]

probably shared

[fair gull]

i just always disable igpu in bios when i use a dgpu

[vagrant pagoda]

Could be using it for extra screens

[unkempt lake]

to be fair i built this rig super recently

[vagrant pagoda]

Second screen on igpu av dgpu is worth a few percent gains

[unkempt lake]

and the igpu drivers autoinstalled wheni installed my dgpu drivers

cuz well both amd

[little silo]

Temps normal in game, didn't even crash.

Going to disable the iGPU in BIOS and see if anything happens.

[unkempt lake]

i mean ur barely running your gpu

with the powerlimit

lol

im fairly sure its just your psu

[fair gull]

id honestly be surprised if its a temp issue

the cpu throttles and most gpus dont really develop temp issues unless you have them in some hazardous environment like the room of a smoker or such

[unkempt lake]

Pretty sure i just found where to disable the igpu in my bios

[little silo]

I've disabled the iGPU in BIOS.

[unkempt lake]

@fair gull thanks for reminding me brw lol

[little silo]

Is there anything else that you all recommend?

[unkempt lake]

I'm just surprised its a thing at all nowadays

To have both be detected

[little silo]

I don't have XMP enabled in BIOS, is that something I should enable now? @astral haven

[unkempt lake]

Leave it off for now

Its the least of your issues

[astral haven]

if you notice no issues for idk a week, turn it on

[unkempt lake]

I mean yeah gotta isolate the variables

[little silo]

Sounds good.

What's the next step?

Power limit on the GPU?

[astral haven]

wait for issues to happen

[fair gull]

try without power limit. if it crashes again. limit power.

[unkempt lake]

@fair gull good guy tony saved me 500mb of sysram

[fair gull]

see

[balmy vector]

enlightened

i got it written

[unkempt lake]

@fair gull but i am the egirl

[little silo]

[fair gull]

idk what warranted those responses

[little silo]

e-girl inception

[fair gull]

runs away cause its 2hrs after bedtime

[balmy vector]

so you can load yourself into memory?

[unkempt lake]

ai me

[balmy vector]

[little silo]

into our memories instead

[unkempt lake]

damn works well with my name too

i can truly fulfill my purpose

and work for jeff from amazon

[balmy vector]

D-AI-shi

[unkempt lake]

my name's alexa so

yeah

funny meme

i am now ai

[balmy vector]

a rabbit hole of jokes

[unkempt lake]

i heard them all

[fair gull]

imagine a funny nigerian accent on it while the voice is high as fudge

[balmy vector]

[unkempt lake]

when i die nico can just buy amazon echos and place them around the house

and pretend im still alive

🧠

I can haunt him

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-boo-gif-23476186

[little silo]

Now I'm a little concerned about this. Can anyone tell me if this is normal?

[unkempt lake]

Look in your processes

See whats using it

[smoky fractal]

Wtf task manager 55%

[little silo]

I'm fucking stumped.

[unkempt lake]

Maybe just do a little reboot lmao

Sonce it wasnt doing this earleir

Earlier

[little silo]

Nah, just crashed again. I think it might be the PSU.

[unkempt lake]

you could order one from like amazon

plug it in

try it a day or 2

return it if it ends up not being that (or if you want to do an RMA of your current one)

keep it if it solves the issue

you could also buy a psu tester

they're not super expensive

[little silo]

I'm going to set the power limit down to 50% and see if it crashes.

[unkempt lake]

@lyric hatch

[little silo]

All of a sudden it doesn't want to fucking crash now.

Fuck this shit.

[astral haven]

thats a good thing

[little silo]

Is it? I can't even test the power limit now, and I was almost certain that was it.

[astral haven]

make sure it keeps not crashing and you should be good

[little silo]

Just crashed now. It's actually pretty funny that it crashes as soon as I queue into a match.

GPU at 110% power limit, will try at 50% and see if I can replicate it.

[astral haven]

rip
well have fun with the troubleshooting

this much pain to try to fix it seems like psu issue or unplugged cable

[little silo]

Well, it still crashed at 50% power limit. @unkempt lake

Can I rule out the PSU for now?

[astral haven]

Unfortunately not, just makes it less likely
Check all cables

Mostly 24 pin

[unkempt lake]

I'd say take out the gpu since it was the last thing added to the system

[steep cedar]

If the CPU is running at 100% all the time, even idle, you won't be able to get into a game since it isn't going to be able ot load the processes necessary

Is this a laptop or desktop?

[unkempt lake]

That's not the issue here

Hos issue is bsods

[steep cedar]

hard to see what is occuring though - is he not saying it seems to happen after some time, not instantly?

[reef patrol]

If it's a BSOD, it's usually a software issue (not always, but usually)
If it's a sudden reboot, it's usually a hardware issue.

[fair gull]

well its system reboots without a bsod

unless....

@little silo can you check if theres a file at C:\Windows\memory.dmp and if it was created/modified when your pc last restarted due to a crash?

[wheat plume]

Which UI is better?
Cosmic Files or Gnome Files?

[umbral heron]

Gnome Files at home

[wheat plume]

I hate the rename dialog in cosmic files is not moveable or resizeable

But hey
At least you can see the original name while creating the new name

I hate when you have to delete the original name as soon as you start typing the new one

[fair gull]

why cant they do it like windows/macos

and just rename on the actual label of the folder

[umbral heron]

Was about to say
KDE does that too

[woven laurel]

linux users like to suffer

[wheat plume]

I hate that way

[fair gull]

oh no you can see which folder youre actually renaming

how terrible

[wheat plume]

Sometimes I need to see the original name while renaming the file

And you can't do that on Windows or most other file managers

[fair gull]

wait what

i thought my memory sucks

[wheat plume]

This is true in Windows and most other file managers

You can't see the original name anymore once you start typing
And I hate that

[steep creek]

usually i rename files i download to have simpler names, personally i dont need to know the old name

[umbral heron]

I prefer Windows/KDE/macOS way, avoid as much separate dialogs as possible

[steep creek]

same

i dont like pop up windows just keep it all simple

[fair gull]

same i can remember a single file/folder name

[vagrant pagoda]

Windows dose that if you open up the properties window

[wheat plume]

Wat??

[vagrant pagoda]

Open up properties of the file/folder then rename

[wheat plume]

I can't try it xd

[vagrant pagoda]

Gitgud fam

[wheat plume]

Linux m8

[supple nest]

how often would you guys repaste a CPU

[ashen spindle]

once it gets hotter than it did before maybe

[supple nest]

systems going on two years and im wondering if it would be worth bothering, truth be told i haven't paid attention to temps at all. if fans arent screaming at me i don't really look

[ashen spindle]

not worth it then

never repasted cpu or gpu for that matter

[supple nest]

I don't think i would ever open up a gpu

to paste it

[ashen spindle]

its more annoying for sure but you are going to fully load a gpu in gaming, cpu usually doesnt care and takes a fraction of the power

so unless you have some specific cpus or really bad weather or something that just never needs a repaste

[supple nest]

makes sense

[vagrant pagoda]

Also gpus run hotter on average. Which can dry out the paste faster.

[wheat plume]

The Active Apps pop-up is a great way to check your phone's uptime :')

[smoky frigate]

that dialog looks like they moved a bit further into the touch-friendly, but it looks clunky

[wheat plume]

They are taking a lot of UI design hints from GNOME desktop
Which does actively develop their software with touchscreen phone usage in mind since gnome has a mobile version too

So yeah
Xd
It's a carryover from that possibly

Cosmic is also going to have window tiling by default
So having responsive apps is great for that too

[hasty thunder]

so they basically copied a feature of Samsung which notifies you if an app wasn't used for a set time, taking resources for no reason

nice move, Huawei

[wheat plume]

No no
I'm using the apps but I don't need to interact with the app window itself

KDE Connect links my devices together wirelessly but I don't need to open the app itself to do any of abilities I want using it

And Huawei Health is to sync my watch data back to my phone

[hasty thunder]

the pop-up is still a blatant copy of samsungs own thing

[wheat plume]

Huawei? Xd

[hasty thunder]

i mean it says huawei health

[wheat plume]

I have a Xiaomi phone running Pixel ROM

[hasty thunder]

nvm

[wheat plume]

I've never owned a Huawei phone
But they look cool!

[ashen spindle]

https://chipsandcheese.com/2024/06/25/testing-amds-giant-mi300x/ @astral haven

[astral haven]

😁

4k tokens per second is insane if true in llama3 70b

but somehow i expect thats a bug

140GB at 3TB/s is around 21 tokens per second theoretical

while they might be doing the same cheating for both nvidia and instinct, using so little of the model probably decreases performance

[ashen spindle]

oracle had a blog about mi300 too yesterday and got at like 3.5k tokens per second and that was not the latest pytorch/vllm

also what do you mean 140gb, they are 192gb cards

[astral haven]

sure but 3.5k tokens per second using a 2gb model with sparsity is probably near 100% model performance

[astral haven]

llama3-70b is 140gb

[ashen spindle]

ah

it's not 3TB/s though it's 5 TB/s mem bandwidth

[astral haven]

still 2 orders of magnitude off

[ashen spindle]

dunno much about the llm training so idk what could or couldnt be

[astral haven]

if this is training idgaf, but this looks like inference

[ashen spindle]

im just glad we have two reports replicating what amd stated in their performance now so the hardware is there and rocm seems to get better now the chicken-egg problem just needs to be bruteforced a bit more to make it more viable

[astral haven]

yea, i read their explanation using cached flashattention

seems reasonable, but how well does it scale to the 3.4TB gpt-4

and following links back to their sources
here is from the provider they used for compute bandwidth
https://preview.redd.it/amd-mi300x-and-nvidia-h100-benchmarking-in-fft-vkfft-cufft-v0-ngv6qqxvbd7d1.png?width=4500&format=png&auto=webp&s=651030ba48e7cd1d0c243a868769c2c8afba7d4d

[ashen spindle]

didnt microsoft talk about using mi300 to train gpt4 in the azire talk?

cant find it atm

[astral haven]

idgaf about training, gimme inference

ooooh i now understand better how they are getting such high numbers
they are running the model in parallel not in series

running linearly in a loop is what an individual would need, parallel is for multiple users, cloud vendors

[ashen spindle]

well thats what instinct is made for basically

300x at least

[astral haven]

fair enough

[ashen spindle]

and I guess 300c in theory too heh

[gusty kiln]

So how competitive is it

[ashen spindle]

well oracle blog basically said they replicated and confirmed the benchmarks amd put out on the event

[astral haven]

Yep

[ashen spindle]

CnC isnt doing a review its more of an architecture analysis

[iron wave]

Does anyone here know anything about debugging PXE boot?

[vagrant pagoda]

what are you even using pxe for

[iron wave]

Reinstalling Windows and testing computers.

[vagrant pagoda]

what dhcp and server are you using?

[iron wave]

opnsense

[vagrant pagoda]

you have the ftp enabled and all that?

[iron wave]

I have TFTP on a container in proxmox that's accessible from the LAN.

The IPXE images are in the root.

The idea is PXE -> IPXE -> Windows/PartedMagic/Test ISOs.

[vagrant pagoda]

i would do tftp right on the router

[little silo]

Got it, checking now.

Is there somewhere else I can check? Don't see those anywhere.

Okay, nevermind. Enabled it in control panel now. I'm assuming run something that causes a crash and then look at the log?

Well, I enabled it but it still doesn't show in C:

[little silo]

It always happens in a game. Regular desktop browsing/ idle is fine

[crimson wigeon]

So you enabled this? And it's still not writing out a minidump on BSOD?

[little silo]

Yep.

[astral haven]

download occt and see which test can trigger the issue

[little silo]

Before I can do that, where in the world can I find the file?

[astral haven]

i suspect your system is locking so fast, windows doesnt notice and have the time to write that file

[crimson wigeon]

That's an environment variable, so paste that into the address bar instead and hit enter

[little silo]

Yeah, probably. I don't even think it's BSODing anymore, it just restarts the computer. One way I know that it's going to crash is that I lose audio and some visual elements in the game, and certain keypresses don't work anymore

[crimson wigeon]

SystemRoot is probably C:\Windows though, since installing Windows elsewhere requires trickery

[little silo]

Let me check

Also running a Power test on OCCT

[astral haven]

power should be the last one you try since its all the others combined

[fair gull]

its not a file but a path

[little silo]

I'll start here then

[fair gull]

it usually just points to C:\Windows for most people

[little silo]

It did for me

%SystemRoot%\MEMORY.DMP

[fair gull]

yes so youd look in the folder if you can see a file called memory.dmp

[fair gull]

would suggest theres no actual crash but a reboot due to other issues

so 100% not a BSOD or software crash

[astral haven]

i dont think that you can have a dot in the folder name

[fair gull]

it would try opening it

[little silo]

terrible crop, my bad lol

[fair gull]

if it existed it would have just asked what program to open the dmp file with

[little silo]

I see. I'm running the first test on OCCT to see if anything happens right now.

If nothing else, at least I've learned a lot trying to chase this gremlin.

[frigid helm]

lets talk about awesome technology, guys!

[little silo]

@astral haven Ran it for 11 minutes so far, should I do a different test?

[fair gull]

wait the hour

[little silo]

gotcha

[astral haven]

I think error checking might be off

oh nvm its just changed from when i last used occt

[fair gull]

good nvidia gpu manufacturers?

[ashen spindle]

all have good and bad cards

[fair gull]

sad hoped there was one with generally good cards and less bad cards

[ashen spindle]

usually they are all fine

would not go for asus because they just cost more for nothing

[astral haven]

pny hired kingpin, really hope that means that they will have sweet 50 series cards

[reef patrol]

Interesting team up

[ashen spindle]

it makes sense, hope they do make a good first landing

buit will need some time to see if customer support and such will be nice from that

[astral haven]

i mean pny is known to have existing customer support
how good it is? noone knows because noone bought em

[ashen spindle]

well I would imagine quadro-tier buyers might have different support so I was more thinking if they expand it will need ot prove itself

[astral haven]

https://tpucdn.com/review/pny-geforce-rtx-4080-super-verto/images/cooler-performance-comparison-gpu.png
they have cards that arent quadros lol

[ashen spindle]

not their main market though so basically as if its a fresh starts

[fair gull]

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/nsRqvj

[astral haven]

eh
its not like idk corsair going into aibing a gpu

[fair gull]

updated build only missing the pcie riser from bequiet for the case

not gonna hang that gpu from the slot

[ashen spindle]

imo I'd say get the U12s instead of the D15, smaller and much nicer to handle

[astral haven]

u12s is pretty meh tho, there are chinese and japanese coolers that are cheaper and better perf/noise

ak400 is half the price

[ashen spindle]

yeah its not great price/perf but you still get the noctua warranty and support and such, keeps the same look too

but yes, ak400, peerless etc. the usual bunch are more than enough if its just to cool it

[astral haven]

you mean u14 then?
u12 is smol

[ashen spindle]

no I mean u12s bc black look

[astral haven]

ah

fuma3

[ashen spindle]

have it on mine and it's just nicer to handle vs the d15

but yes any other option is saving money, d15 will bore itself on am5

[astral haven]

yea fair, but still paying a ton for very pedestrian performance

[ashen spindle]

sure, still saving money compared to d15

[astral haven]

yea

[little silo]

Carmonben, the test is done

[astral haven]

no errors?

[little silo]

nothin

[astral haven]

try gpu memory

[little silo]

Going now

Fuck, it makes my computer slow as shit lol

[sudden imp]

I was hoping he would get back into the scene

I wonder if he isn't working with EVGA on motherboards now

[astral haven]

probably not

[ashen spindle]

hes not working for two companies at once lol

[sudden imp]

So hes full on out now

Damn

[ashen spindle]

...

no he works with PNY now

[sudden imp]

no from EVGA I mean

[ashen spindle]

ohhh

[sudden imp]

sorry LOL

[ashen spindle]

yeah

[sudden imp]

I melded two thoughts together

Yeah thats unfortunate

I don't see EVGA going for much longer just on power supplies

[astral haven]

btw that is possible tho
Eg crinacle working with 7hz, truthear, and moondrop

[ashen spindle]

cmon I dont feel like I need to specify that it wouldnt be working in this case, unlike being like a external person that does contract work or however they do the jobs

[astral haven]

sure but its similar sorts of work

tuning and feedback, working directly with engineers

[vagrant pagoda]

dose pny even oem quadro now?

foxconn makes FE, did nvidia just move quadro there too?

[astral haven]

just because foxconn factories make it doesnt mean pny isnt the one contracting to foxconn

[vagrant pagoda]

thats what i mean though

nvidia dose fe in house, withouth pny

[astral haven]

thats not confirmed tho

pny very well could still be making the pcbs

[little silo]

Hey Carmon, question. If this test doesn't show anything, what should I do next? The only thing I want is to fix this goddamn computer so I can fucking play my games already. I'm tired of just sitting here.

[astral haven]

return the gpu probably?

[little silo]

Why?

I'm already at 30 minutes in the text, no errors found.

[astral haven]

isnt it the only thing you changed and now the error is happening?

do unplug and replug every cable to the psu, the gpu, and the ram first tho

[little silo]

Nah, because when I first installed it it was completely fine. The errors started happening about 4 or 5 days ago.

Each BSOD is a CRITICAL_PROCESS_DIED

Plus I can't return it since I bought it used.

[astral haven]

so theres an issue with memory somewhere
cpu has memory, gpu has memory, and the connection between the two can make it look like a memory error

but also the issue could be power supplied to the memory

[unkempt lake]

Hot take EVGA was never really special besides their CS, their hardware was mediocre at best besides their kingpin series

10 series catching on fire, 30 series dying

[astral haven]

classified and ftw editions were excellent

10 series was a big issue that they handled excellently
and 30 series dying was only most common on evga because the most commonly bought gpus were evga

[unkempt lake]

They've always had a higher failure rate than most others

QA was never their strong suit

[astral haven]

[citation needed]

failure count != failure rate

nvidia has higher failure counts than radeon

but nvidia sells 10x more gpus

[ashen spindle]

lots of nvidia card issues are stemming back to nvidia not their AiBs

similar to how the cooler issue was ultimately somethng amd should have cheked better ont he vapour chambers

[unkempt lake]

At least EVGA handled their fuckups well

I'll give em that

But it's just a pattern of fuck ups

And bad QA

But at least they handled it somewhat swiftly unlike others who fuck up badly like ASUS

[ashen spindle]

their cards often have or rather had better resell value due to precerived better support

so even if that wouldnt be true, it was worth if you sold it later

[unkempt lake]

Which that support was ass outside of NA

[ashen spindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ never had an evga product or any contact with AiB support aside from gigabyte

[unkempt lake]

I got to basically try em all back when i worked in a pc repair shop

Lol

The worst ever was Acer

I wanted to blow my brains out

[ashen spindle]

though I certainly had one of the most unique issues I could find, denuvo causing a crash that breaks bios

[unkempt lake]

But yeah if we had a product still on warranty we'd try to rma it obviously and just give the customer a new one

Then if rmas didnt work we'd fix it ourselves

Anyways

MSI was the GOAT

[thick elk]

My only acer support request was ages ago and wasn't bad at all.
Took them two weeks for a pc, fixed the issue, they also replaced a side panel without asking, while also not wiping the drives.
Also their support did provide me with a pinout for the front-panel headers when I replaced the case as it really was a hotbox (so oem pc sucked, but their support was alright)
This was a long long time ago though.

[sudden imp]

Acer is making RNDA GPUS

And I saw one of them from a computex article and it looks so good

[umbral heron]

🧱

[unkempt lake]

The worst ACER rma i had was a tablet PC with a defective charging port + usb controller, had to send it back 3 fucking times before they fixed it, at some point i got pissed and i was like just send me the part i'll do it myself and they were like nononono we dont provide parts

[thick elk]

That looks like a GPU alright.

[sudden imp]

I love bricks like unironically

brick buildings > american siding

[thick elk]

I was talking about late 00's though so different times.

Still in terms of RMA quality best to trust places that deal with that on scale than anecdotes

[unkempt lake]

I mean this was back in like 2014-2018 working at a pc repair shop

[astral haven]

yea basically none of the companies are the same even going back 10 years

[umbral heron]

I don't mind bricks, but this one... It'd look infinitely better without that light blue Predator logo sticking out like sore thumb, that's for sure

[sudden imp]

Oh yea

I didn't notice it at first

now that you pointed it out

I hate it

[umbral heron]

[unkempt lake]

Turn off the rgb

[sudden imp]

I hope its just the picture because the BLUE REALLY CLASHES

[unkempt lake]

problem fixed

[umbral heron]

I'd rather scrape it off
Leave a nice stripey pattern

[thick elk]

Either way, the pc was still a hotbox overheating back before the gpu would just safely throttle so...
RMA was alright but that doesn't mean Acer was for desktops at least.

[sudden imp]

yeah

the stripey looks really cool

The black plate looks really clean aswell

[umbral heron]

We either go for nice and simple or for rainbow-puke tacky

[sudden imp]

yep!

[analog sinew]

i just buy the one with best price/performance, I dont see it anyway

[thick elk]

As long as the gpu is quiet and performs alright, it can look like a litteral turd for me.

[umbral heron]

But if Yeston made 7900 XT/X Sakura I'd definitely get one, they only make 7800XT

[unkempt lake]

Yeston the overpriced weeb brand xd

They're not even good coolers compared to others

Buying it just based on look... nah

[thick elk]

I don't mind the look of my gpu though, nothing too offensive, just okay:

[unkempt lake]

I also have an xfx merc

I mean i have my pc glass literally facing the wall

And have brown noctua fans

[umbral heron]

Costs more or less the same here

[little silo]

Test ends in 8 minutes

[unkempt lake]

Looks are whatever

[fair gull]

the main idea is taking the d15 into the next build and so on

[thick elk]

For me it's I care a little bit but not too much, if I ever needed shorter cable runs for monitors glass would probably also face the wall.

[unkempt lake]

Using my U12A on the 7800x3d temps are good no issues

[thick elk]

but right now it's this with a glass panel on top.

[unkempt lake]

D15 is plenty just reuse it

[fair gull]

ok but would i be able to get new CPU brackets in lets say 7-8years for the current gen socket

[unkempt lake]

Noctua is chill with that

[fair gull]

ive mainly seen people bring up the d15 for this

[thick elk]

Probably will use my current aio for some time too, hell my server/nas still uses a scythe mugen 2 on a 8700k

[unkempt lake]

U12A performs the same

As the D15

Takes less space

[astral haven]

well no

[unkempt lake]

Doesn't take over your ram slots

[fair gull]

how can a smaller heatsink perform the same

[unkempt lake]

Fans

[fair gull]

that sounds like it breaks some physical laws

[astral haven]

the d15 has better fans

[unkempt lake]

The fans on the u12a are so much better

[ashen spindle]

yes, the socket isn't set out to support heat loads that would not be cooled with it

you cant fit a threadripper on it and with how the sockets are you cant just make a insanely thermally dense product that would be like a 14900k

[fair gull]

i thought the d15 fits on a 14900k

[ashen spindle]

you said socket so it would be am5

[unkempt lake]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/noctua-nh-u12a/6.html

@fair gull

D15 is an old design

Literally the same as a u12a

[ashen spindle]

also it fits but any air cooler will cause a 14900k under load to throttle

but you wont be able to get that much power in socket am5

[unkempt lake]

• if you ever want to use it in another build

Swap cases

Get new ram

Its not a hassle

No worries about compatibility

[little silo]

@astral haven

[astral haven]

how about their new testing methodology

[sudden imp]

Nvidia is super strict so we can’t get cards like that.

[astral haven]

gpu memory

[astral haven]

wrong, nvidia is strict with performance, not looks

[unkempt lake]

Still extremely close

[sudden imp]

Oh really?

[umbral heron]

They do Nvidia GPUs too

[unkempt lake]

• no compatibility hassles

[sudden imp]

[unkempt lake]

D15 is just a poor choice imo

Until gen2

[fair gull]

k watercooling it is

[little silo]

me?

[astral haven]

yes

under the gpu test, select memory

[little silo]

i'm pretty fucking dumb aren't i

[unkempt lake]

Go noctua but go u12a or wait for d15 gen 2

[little silo]

doing it now

[unkempt lake]

Simple

[astral haven]

i dont understand both you and quin are so obsessed with the u12a?
its not a great cooler

[fair gull]

well i thought me getting quite spacious cases is sumple but apparently the d15 might not fit in whatever future eATX sized case i get

so watercooling it is

[unkempt lake]

That's why you get an u12a

So it fits in everything

No matter what

(:

[fair gull]

it needs to fit this case

or a bigger one

[unkempt lake]

How does the u12a not fit your case

[fair gull]

but all this aircooler talk made me not wanna do air cooling so i just go AIO again like with my current build ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ashen spindle]

oh I'm not saying it is, I just think a u12 is more than enough for am5, so simply compared to the d15 it's saving money, I have one from when I got my 5600x

[sharp badger]

Thermalright peerless assassin is just better price/performance

[unkempt lake]

It ran my 9700k at 5ghz quietly, been using it for a while

I'm happy with it

[ashen spindle]

you can still take a d15 and it will be no issues we're just on about saving money for the same performance xD

[astral haven]

yea theres nothing wrong with using a u12a but buying one is really ???

[ashen spindle]

was a good deal in, idk when 5600x came out anymore

[unkempt lake]

You can get brackets from noctua free of charge, long warranty, to me that's worth ot

[fair gull]

im building this PC now and the next one in another 8years or so. i couldnt care for saving all the money on a fan/tower cooler i wanted to take with me for however long noctua makes new brackets

[unkempt lake]

Nothing more frustrating than spending money on something and have it be useless down the line

[fair gull]

onto whatever next CPU i choose

[astral haven]

scythe too

[unkempt lake]

Scythe good too

[astral haven]

thermalright i believe also does but im not sure they do any more

[unkempt lake]

But i like noctua's sound signature netter

[sharp badger]

Peerless assassin is €37 vs NH-U12A at €130 with that price i'd rather just go AIO and get a Liquid Freezer III

[unkempt lake]

Nah they dont

I had a friend try

[fair gull]

so AiO it is and ill just leave it in the pc again when i build the next one like with my current system

[ashen spindle]

then you get an aio that wont fit next gen xD

or will break before

[astral haven]

thermalright did for the true copper

[unkempt lake]

Pump will die

No brackets

[fair gull]

thats the issue of whatever scrapyard gets it

the aio will stay with the build

i wont take it with

as long as it doesnt die while i use it idc

[sharp badger]

Had a Corsair AIO for 8 years or something?

[unkempt lake]

What's the point of buying something and have it be a brick down the line

[ashen spindle]

well if you dont want to take it along just get a 40€ peerless asassins

[astral haven]

am4 on a 10 year old cooler https://www.techpowerup.com/75030/thermalright-ultra-120-true-copper-cooling-performance-tested

[unkempt lake]

This

[fair gull]

heard too many people having issues with noise on those

[unkempt lake]

Their more recent less expensive coolers they dont give brackets for

):

[ashen spindle]

get one and put a noctua fan on it and its still cheaper then

[vagrant pagoda]

i shiould of never sold mine 😦

[astral haven]

they arent free, but the bracket is still available to buy

[unkempt lake]

Sucks that you have to buy it

Noctua its free

😎

[astral haven]

no, its included in the price of the cooler

but the cooler is now $40? more expensive

[vagrant pagoda]

my d14 is from 09

its a og release one

[astral haven]

true copper is from 08

[ashen spindle]

well in short, take whatever air cooler you like, we can suggest you something cheaper perhaps but they all will be fine, AiO is overkill and more likely to die(remember how many issues pleasent had with the pump?) and then you can just see in 10 years if it still fits

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah i upgraded from a true copper to the d14

then sold the TC like a year later

😦

[ashen spindle]

but for now a d15 is overkill for the same socket and likely all coming sockets due to how stuff is moving towards chiplets on intel too

[vagrant pagoda]

noctua has send me like 3 sets of rubber spacers for it

and 2 brakets

they also replaced 2 p14 flx that were years out of warrenty

[astral haven]

which sweet, but that is what you pay for

[unkempt lake]

Noctua support is golden

[astral haven]

but it costs alot

[unkempt lake]

Worth it

[astral haven]

and my fans just havent died

[fair gull]

so custom waterloop

so i can replace the pump in case it dies

[astral haven]

dewit

[vagrant pagoda]

d14 was only like 90 bucks new

back then

[unkempt lake]

Then it will leak

[astral haven]

which is worth $150 now?

[fair gull]

https://tenor.com/view/cai-winson-gif-18740869

[astral haven]

get gud

i havent touched my loop in 2 years and its still at the exact same water level

[vagrant pagoda]

lol

yeah]

only loop failure ive ever had was when i had koolances controler

[little silo]

why are they timed out lol

[vagrant pagoda]

and it stopped all my fans in the middle of playing gtav, and my coolant almost boiled

and it blew a hose

[ashen spindle]

automod thought that gif had blocked words

might want to take a look at that @fair gull

[vagrant pagoda]

so my first noctua rma was in late 2012 right at the 6 year mark lol

[astral haven]

im using an aquacomputer controller (i think), set it and forgot it, still going great

[vagrant pagoda]

second was 2013

[fair gull]

its because it contained leak 3 times

and its on a blacklist for those not so safe for work leaks

timeout removed though

[unkempt lake]

I LIVE

ONCE MORE

[vagrant pagoda]

and latest was end of last year when i got some more rubber bumpers

zero issues sending replacements on a 15 year old cooler

10/10 could only be better if their rma department was inside my house

[astral haven]

what if the product just kept working properly without an rma?

[vagrant pagoda]

i had an aquaero, i hate they charge for updates now

[vagrant pagoda]

nothing is forever lol

and the cooler works withouth the bumpers

[astral haven]

yea its dumb
but to be fair i dont need updates for my fkn fan controller

[vagrant pagoda]

its the desktop software

[astral haven]

what software lol

it runs without any software just fine

[vagrant pagoda]

aquasuite

[astral haven]

its a joke

[vagrant pagoda]

you get less than 2 years up updates when you buy hardware

[astral haven]

im aware they have software, i just dont need it

[astral haven]

my desk fan got exactly zero software updates

[vagrant pagoda]

they also no longer offer the old versions to download

[astral haven]

thats dumb but there are workarounds

[vagrant pagoda]

yep

i have it setup in a retro rig

and i to wayback machine the copies that work on xp

[fair gull]

sadge

my favorite aio isnt available

[fierce terrace]

whats your favourite aio

[sudden imp]

^^

[fair gull]

really liked the corsair h80i v2 specifically

[pale sigil]

I didn't

[ashen spindle]

I just wouldn't get aios now that I have a silent pc when idle lol

[pale sigil]

Mine failed

I sold the rma replacement

[fair gull]

i personally havent encountered issues or broken ones

sold tons of them at my old job in the gaming PCs we did

[pale sigil]

I'm unlucky with AIO coolers.

[fierce terrace]

oh hell nah

[pale sigil]

I have an expensive one I can rma but can't be bothered.

I keep forgetting to send it

[ashen spindle]

unless you go for OC or small form factor for a reason I wouldn't suggest AiO to anyone tbh

[pale sigil]

My h100i was told still it wasn't, but tbh I'm glad it got shit.

I went with air cooling and loved it

Then stupidly went back to an aio which failed and went back to air cooling which I love again.

[fair gull]

i had a run in once with somze nzxt or so aio

that one started leaking

customer was super happy

not

[pale sigil]

Don't get me started on nzxt

Every single one of my friends had issues with them

[vagrant pagoda]

i have a 100i gtx around

same pump style

[fair gull]

why is cooler choice so garbage

maybe i just go no cooler

i just hire a small person to fan it with air

[fierce terrace]

use ice

[fair gull]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-dale-gribble-pocket-sand-pocket-sand-gif-3699662

[vagrant pagoda]

tbo if amd keeps up with x3d ill prob keep the p1 for long long time

[valid turtle]

Hey quick question, is there any mechanical difference between the 60HE+ and the wooting 2 fullsize?

[fair gull]

the 60he is a modular design where the pcb and topplate are 1 module to be transplanted into whatever case. the 2he has the pcb screwed into the case and the topplate screwed onto the case.

[astral haven]

Yea the p1 is excellent, if you wanna get a low performance cooler, at least get the truly silent one

[sudden imp]

Their new aios showcased at computex apparently are going to be great performers

[little silo]

Hey Carmon.

[vagrant pagoda]

yep and when you only can do 100w, you dont need much

[astral haven]

I'm really close to throwing away my entire 100g setup just so I can get x3d without feeling like I'm downgrading cpu

[vagrant pagoda]

wait for a gen5 100g

5.0 x 4 should do 100g

[little silo]

No errors detected in OCCT

[vagrant pagoda]

wonder if a cx7 will work in a x4

[astral haven]

Lol as if I could ever recoup by buying another set of adapters

My pair of dual ports was bought for the price of a single single port at the time, so I could sell them for a profit, but chances of 100g being that cheap again are zilch

[vagrant pagoda]

ive seen cx7 go for $500 lol

but idk if it would work in an x4 slot

[little silo]

Carmon, I had a BSOD right now while I was running OCCT and playing Roblox.

Where can I check the error logs?

[fair gull]

too late its already ordered

[astral haven]

oof
couldnt wait 6-9 months for a new gpu?

[fair gull]

no because this amd gpu and its dumb shenanigans are killing me

[ashen spindle]

his gpu is kinda dying yea

[fair gull]

na the nvidia is out already

[ashen spindle]

we hoped some computex gpu news but alas

[fair gull]

the spare amd i have is garbage though

adrenalin keeps changing my settings for some reason

im too tired of dealing with it and its oddities between versions to care at this point

imagine you drive your car and every 5km the motor turns off. thats the sort of annoyance its become now

[little silo]

I can't fucking do this anymore

[unkempt lake]

Idk about the ram choice

[fair gull]

let me guess "too slow"

not that i care

[ashen spindle]

it's fine 64gb isn't amazing to train at 6000 and he has a very high resolution

so it's not going to matter for him

[fair gull]

also 60 fps target

[unkempt lake]

I play at 5120x1440 and i still paid 20$ extra for 6000cl30

just cuz idk down the line i can reuse it

But yeah

It won't matter too much

[fair gull]

yeah no with the camm module stuff i basically wont invest in reusable ram

[unkempt lake]

It's more the CL latency that i find a bit high

[unkempt lake]

Camm module?

[fair gull]

the stuff they wanna bring to PC mobos

single screw on module

[balmy vector]

Very tasty

[fair gull]

id be willing to be by the time i replace this new PC those are the norm

[astral haven]

id doubt it, sodimms were on a bunch of motherboards for a bit

[fair gull]

yeah but at that point in 8yrs id prob want to go camm2

[ashen spindle]

givven the timeline he's looking at, it's a high chance

[astral haven]

but considering there are 2 different ddr5 standards for dimms, its real screwey

[fair gull]

basically from my pov camm2 was shown of at computex this year with consumer boards

so in 8yrs its prob the main way to do ram

not dimm sockets

[marsh glade]

SpaceX kicking ass 😄

[astral haven]

sure but dimm sockets are cheaper

[fair gull]

no?

[astral haven]

yea they are unfortunately

[fair gull]

from what i can tell camm2 just needs screwposts and pads on the traces

no socket

or anything

[astral haven]

theres an interposer

[unkempt lake]

butr yeah for ram it all depends on the pricing you can find @fair gull i found some 6000cl30 hynix a die for like 20$ more than a basic 5200 ram kit so i was like why not

[ashen spindle]

I mean I know you disagree but I am conviced the next platform will be lpddr6 only no sodimm

[astral haven]

that is possible, but i would expect it to be on package, no modules at all

[unkempt lake]

13 euro for you european folks

idk seemed worth it xd

[ashen spindle]

you're not getting on package on desktop

[fair gull]

for me it was just my current ddr4 ram is way slower and as long as i can get 60fps min im good

[unkempt lake]

what cpu were you running again?

maybe woulda been enough tbh

[fair gull]

9700k

with uh 2666 sticks i believe

[unkempt lake]

i mean i ran my 9700k with a 7900xtx for a year until 3 days ago at 5120x1440

lol

i was using 3600mhz ram tho

and had it oced

[fair gull]

yeah no i dont oc anything

[unkempt lake]

i mean it could probably have been fine for 60fps

tbh

besides in like helldivers

lol<

[fair gull]

na struggles in some games i played

not helldivers even

ffxiv was already a pain when in raids and all the effects from skills/spells pop

[unkempt lake]

it struggled in forza motorsports with fps uncapped but capped it at 60 it was fine on the 9700k

[ashen spindle]

oh you will love the 7800x3d for ff14

[unkempt lake]

havent played that in ages but i remembered it running smooth

[ashen spindle]

I have so many frames in limsa now lol

[astral haven]

the dimms are only around because they are cheaper for 90% of cases, which is oems
once they go on package sure gonezo is upgradeable memory for most folks, and diy will follow with a short delay

[unkempt lake]

ninja best class

[ashen spindle]

well expansion comes this weekend and that includes a graphics engine update, including min specs updated xD

[unkempt lake]

ahhhh

[fair gull]

glad my pc stuff arrives around 10th july

so when the queue times are prob more normal

not 8hrs

[unkempt lake]

then youll get a DOA motherboard

like i did

and be SAD

[fair gull]

wouldnt matter

[ashen spindle]

nah I dont see it even on laptops outside of low power like lunar lake, even intel isnt going to put that panther lake and co

[fair gull]

the mobo is 2-3 days

[unkempt lake]

and have to wait a week

[fair gull]

the main waittime is the pcie riser for me

[astral haven]

@ashen spindle
even serial the performance is sweet

[ashen spindle]

why are you not in the CnC discord at this point lol

[astral haven]

didnt know that was open?

[unkempt lake]

i like my cpu power

LMAO

[balmy vector]

Cool as a cucumber

[unkempt lake]

hell yeah

[unkempt lake]

7800x3d solar edition

[balmy vector]

Just that good

Call it solar energy

[astral haven]

and now i am lol

[ashen spindle]

was about to send you invite and saw it showed 2 common servers xD

[vagrant pagoda]

cnc?

[fair gull]

so we just need a dyson sphere

[fair gull]

command and conquer

[vagrant pagoda]

thats what i thought

[steep creek]

chips and cheese

[balmy vector]

Delicious

[astral haven]

yes but also these folks

[vagrant pagoda]

orders of magnitudes under sphere

[fair gull]

ye

but then everyone can have one

[ashen spindle]

Computerized Numerical Control machines, we're making our own hardware now

[astral haven]

a .0001% efficient sphere lel

[steep creek]

nice server but i barely understand half of what they say

[vagrant pagoda]

only light thogh

think of all the charged partical energy

[astral haven]

eh we dont really have the tech to harness that at all

[vagrant pagoda]

we dont have the tech to make a dyson sphere either

[little silo]

@astral haven @unkempt lake I got a video of the crash, finally

disregard my dad snoring and my cursing

[astral haven]

that was a very very strange bluescreen

did you unplug and replug everything?

including the ram sticks

[little silo]

I guess I'm going to have to do that now.

Give me a couple.

[unkempt lake]

try running with just 1 ram stick maybe

[ashen spindle]

oh speaking of nhd15 though, it makes for a great passive cooler in my oldpc-now-nas/server

super hard load of pihole and home assistant on promox /s

[vagrant pagoda]

i had d14 passive before the p1

[ashen spindle]

I just had it as the cooler on my 8600k to oc and now as a server I dont need it when core load is like 1% lol

unplugged all fans and need to find other power saving measures I can do lol

[little silo]

Good news and bad news.

The bad news is that upon taking out my CPU Cooler, I took out the CPU with it. The good news is that the computer still works lol

[unkempt lake]

?

[unkempt lake]

oh that's no biggie

[vagrant pagoda]

just PGA things

[vagrant pagoda]

been a pga issue always

[little silo]

PGA?

[little silo]

Did that now, every cable. flipped the ram sticks apart, only run 2 since it's ITX.

What's the first thing I should do?

[astral haven]

double check that everything is fully seated

ram stick clips are in, no gaps between the plug and socket of the 24 and 8 pins

[little silo]

Yep! All done. I mean now that I'm on my computer

Load up a game and see if it crashes or anything?

[astral haven]

yep

[little silo]

Good news is that I haven't crashed so far, and I'm playing better than before lol

[astral haven]

sweet!

🤞

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wq1Y9wZZOQ

[empty wren]

New flsun printers have probably far better value

[vagrant pagoda]

50c vs 90c chamber is massive difference

[empty wren]

Well yeah, but could someone at a company not retrofit such?

[vagrant pagoda]

pro is for professonial

no 100+ an hour employee is going to mod a printer to test print parts

[empty wren]

I see

Makes sense why the company I work out has a mark forged and bought another not a voron.

They wanted a faster machine

[empty wren]

Still though okay

I remember my dad's workplace manufacturing manager complained about how the 3d printer from another company does not get support anymore and is broken. Really could have gotten an open source one but I guess goes back to what you saidm

[vagrant pagoda]

this is going aginst big money printers

[empty wren]

Oh you mean 10k+

Or a bit beneath okay

[vagrant pagoda]

intamsys is a competitor here

[empty wren]

I will say one thing, the pro printers do not have amazing quality but they do it consistently. So maybe that is what companies think matters more

[vagrant pagoda]

well only thier cheapest unit

[empty wren]

Hmm

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.intamsys.com/funmat-ht-3d-printer/

they are 6k

[empty wren]

I see

I guess the professional market is just screw money we just want it to work out the box

[vagrant pagoda]

time is money

[empty wren]

Right

Heard that talk already about buying a less expensive component which now is faulty and consuming man hours. The solution needs to account for waste, and time spent .

[little silo]

@unkempt lake @modest hamlet

[unkempt lake]

hello

summonned

i was

[little silo]

@astral haven My thanks to you.

[little silo]

^^

[unkempt lake]

its running good now?

neat

[little silo]

Hell yes

I don't even know what it was which bothers me, but I'm happy it's working fine now.

[unkempt lake]

something badly seated most likely

[little silo]

Likely, but after all that time? How does it just come out like that?

Could it be possible that my components are deteriorating?

I sometimes leave my computer on overnight and stuff

[unkempt lake]

i mean it may have been something that was never fully seated

or like a cable that was sagging

pulling itself out with its own weight

[little silo]

I see.

Thank you very much for all your help.

Seriously, I would pay you if I could.

You're fucking amazing, everyone that helped me.

[balmy vector]

Pay in UwUs

[little silo]

Shit, one day lol

[modest hamlet]

No u! Glad to hear you fixed it.

I am really excited that Prusa when with the "Pro" market. I think their products are high quality that and with them being not needed to "IoT" AND paying quality wages.

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[empty wren]

I wonder perhaps if that is where they will just end up going to overall. Mk4 is good and all, but faster printers exist especially for less money. Prusa XL may as well replace the E3D tool hanger market and is expensive as it is.

Nextruder design is quite simple and intuitive. Inclusion of the loadcell makes for slow but quite accurate mesh probing.

[modest hamlet]

For the consumer market I think that unless ideas change (or tech or sanctions for that matter) iterative speed and cost (yes time is money) has and will be the determining factor on what sells the best.

Unless there is a turn for people to not care that every once in a wile someone could push a button and make your printer print something you didn't ask it to.

Still kinda iffy on this but that may be just me.

[empty wren]

Prusa can be reliable but is slow compared to bambu labs

[modest hamlet]

They are on the back foot with the mk4 being not as "fast and cheap" but I think that will ultimately do good for them (if they continue with the reg consumer market). As since they took so long to bring out the mk 4 someone saw and made improvements and competition is the best for innovation. And for it to be some ex DJI higherups using that money to make Bamboo was a Great move.

[empty wren]

Also open source is nice but bambu labs is like the apple of printeds

[empty wren]

Software stuff it sounds like

[modest hamlet]

I think maybe "Prusa Slicer is to Linux as Bamboo Slicer is to Apple" right?

[empty wren]

I will say one thing that is unfortunate side of being closed off, apple has had many iMessage crash bugs

[empty wren]

Sorta

Because bambu slicer has to be open source because they use open source prusa slicer code

Which goes back to slic3r

Also open source

Simplify3d is closed off

[modest hamlet]

but how much does Bamboo Labs "give back" to the OG opensource projects?

[empty wren]

Ideamaker from raise3d free, cura for.ultimakrr free and open souece

[empty wren]

Maybe not the firmware

Also they got printer world

You can technically get a free bambu labs printer I do not think that includes shipping though

And their hotend is inexpensive and believe it or not some diy builders use it.

[modest hamlet]

the "alleged" skimming of Printables STL's was pretty scummy

[empty wren]

Also with the a1 mini recall they gave filament and I think they also gave out filament with the p1p

[empty wren]

Well sure

Though now people are double posting

[modest hamlet]

yeah

[empty wren]

Also stls are not too special anyways

Can really be 3d printed and viewed

Reverse engineering is meh, you may as well just use it for a reference for hours

[modest hamlet]

is Bamboos printer cam open source? could you move it to Prusa easy?

[empty wren]

Uh that is probably a no

However I think orca supports it

So I guess fork bambu lab slicer

[modest hamlet]

I mean that would be cool cause I think Prusa is just "take old phone and add to wifi"

[empty wren]

Klipper is much better

Marlin may as well be passed on

[modest hamlet]

Yeah

[empty wren]

That I did not know

Definitely more user friendly

[fair gull]

ngl having dipped my toes into the whole FOSS aspect of 3d printers at my old job... i gladly would have taken a bambu labs to not have to figure out the best firmware and settings for it

[hollow nimbus]

Btw does anyone elses wooting's shift key acts up a bit? Like when I hold it down, it will suddenly deactivate the shift key instead of holding it?

[umbral heron]

Welp, gotta get new mouse
Left click is not working 2/3 of the time

[old marlin]

[pale sigil]

Logitech?

[umbral heron]

Yup, M650 L

Something big and wireless would be nice, it's a mouse for work and I walk around with laptop quite a lot

For now time to whip out G502

[little silo]

How big?

[umbral heron]

https://tenor.com/view/lovesick-this-big-big-like-this-gif-19466516

[zenith silo]

If you want big and wireless you could just get the updated g502

G502 x or something it's called

[lyric hatch]

Maya X dropping soon

[umbral heron]

For work, I won't need 8k polling or anything like that, first and foremost must be cheap

[lyric hatch]

Maya is $100 can't imagine the maya X being much higher

[umbral heron]

I mean ~30€ range

M650 was 25€

[lyric hatch]

idk I use a mxmaster 3s for work

70+ day battery life infinite scroll wheel cozy shape

and silent clicks

[digital cliff]

get some new switches and do some soldering

[umbral heron]

That's a good idea
Imma solder Gateron's G Pro Blue there

[digital cliff]

😒

i can mail you some kailh whatever 8.0s if you want, I have so many it's unlikely I'll run out

[old marlin]

I love them, they fail so quickly

[digital cliff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lyric hatch]

Had em in my x2 for 2.5 years so far no double clicking

Got a few options laying around

[umbral heron]

Nah, I don't think it's worth to do any solder job on 25€ mouse, unless it's somewhat of a meme one
I'll just go to Media Markt tomorrow and pick up some random one that comfortable to hold

[digital cliff]

fair and just

[lyric hatch]

Can't imagine the $25 mouse has easy access openings either

[old marlin]

it's logitech

[lyric hatch]

That'd do it

[old marlin]

so it is prob easier than on one of their 100+ dollar mice

[digital cliff]

I wish they stopped putting screws under the feet

impossible not to ruin the feet when you peel them off

skates, whatever they are called

[umbral heron]

I mean...
There's always flat screwdriver, and, subsequently, hammer

[pale sigil]

As long as you don't use a cheap screwdriver lol

[old marlin]

smart thing to do

look at fccid

they have images of it opened

[lyric hatch]

upcoming lamzu tachi is hotswap and has easy access screws

[pale sigil]

Rip it you spill something

[reef patrol]

Throwing hard shade on Logitech there. 😄

[lyric hatch]

about as rip as if you spill something on your keyboard, same coating as wooting

[rough patrol]

Airflow mouse so your hands get less sweaty in the summer

[old marlin]

easy to do that if you just ignore regulatories

[reef patrol]

Well... not quite.

Might be same coating, but like our boards there would have to be a few areas left uncoated for manufacturing and testing.

And our keyboards don't have holes in them everywhere to allow for liquid to easily reach the USB port 😄

[old marlin]

it's almost as if wooting cares about being compliant to common western regulatories

[lyric hatch]

every mouse has a gigantic hole called the scroll wheel right by the usb port

[old marlin]

few mice have exposed pins on the bottom

few wireless mice just straight up ignore FCC regulations or worse, have fraudulent fcc registrations