Estimated wattage says 650
#🔌│tech
ashen spindle
either of those are fine because you also never run things at 100% load
whole axle
Ah really? Will it ever hit those speeds or no
ashen spindle
if youe gpu is fully loaded your cpu is like 50% or something
I mean, do you plan to do academics fluid simualtion or something like that? maybe then
whole axle
I will literally just play fps, souls like, and maybe some ue5
That’s what I use my pc for
ashen spindle
yeah so you likely wont ever hit gen 4 max speeds
whole axle
if youe gpu is fully loaded your cpu is like 50% or something
I just heard that you always want Plat if possible over gold so I threw that new plat psu in there. If gold is fine then and 850 is fine for the estimated 650 then 850 gold it is
whole axle
yeah so you likely wont ever hit gen 4 max speeds
Damn not even gen 4 speeds that’s wild. Is it like a game thing or just like hardware can’t use it properly?
ashen spindle
mix of both, just more speeds than anything needs or can use
thats what they need to hit for the ratings
so like, platinum is nice but if you live anywhere with super cheap electricity it's never paying off to pay the extra for plat
fair gull
thats why you par for titanium
balmy vector
Pun intended
ashen spindle
brands dont matter always depends on the specific model
balmy vector
Trying to figure out what distro to use for one of my college clubs, makin an emulation machine 
ashen spindle
thats cheap for titanium
would make me more think might not be a legit sale xD but it doesnt add a lot so still would say no
whole axle
would make me more think might not be a legit sale xD but it doesnt add a lot so...
How’s this
ashen spindle
yeah that seems fine
whole axle
OK cool
distant tapir
It was probably shared here a while ago but Lossless Scaling now supports triple frame generation.
Very nice to see. Excited for when we have 10:1 frame generation.
crimson wigeon
Why stop there, have one real frame a second and hundreds generated every second
balmy vector
must get more
distant tapir
Why stop there, have one real frame a second and hundreds generated every second
Nice.
scenic thunder
I wish for the glory day of 2 minutes of input latency while i watch the cutscene that is me shooting once in an fps.
whole axle
It was probably shared here a while ago but Lossless Scaling now supports triple...
is that the steam upscaling thing?
how does it compare
distant tapir
how does it compare
I watched a clip of Tomb Raider at 30 fps versus the 60 fps frame gen one and I didn't see any artifacting or anything. Looked fantastic.
But I haven't tried it myself.
vagrant pagoda
You can use them at the same time
Upscaling and frame generation can both work at the same time
But you will have more artifacts as you're trying to make more with the same data
whole axle
But you will have more artifacts as you're trying to make more with the same dat...
I just tried it
why does it make everything so dark
yeah this looks horrible
whats the best settings?
im on a 6600
unkempt lake
frozen ingot
they should have covered the booth but only talked about the customer service 
fair gull
i mean they could have recorded booth coverage and released it once the CS situation is resolved
or not release it if the resolution is well... shite
misty ibex
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WL9s34
cheap ahhh mobo
ashen spindle
yes and thats good
buying an 800$ board when you dont do liquid nitrogen oc is a waste
fair gull
whaaaaaatttttt? you dont need the most expensive components in all things for a good pc?
crazy
balmy vector
frozen ingot
mobos shouldn't really have to cost much more than that, the trend of $4-500+ mobos is stupid
reef patrol
mobos shouldn't really have to cost much more than that, the trend of $4-500+ mo...
I wholly agree. It was insane how the price hikes from Ryzen 5000 to 7000
frozen ingot
don't think I've ever spent more than $250 on a mobo and I considered that a lot of money for one at the time
ashen spindle
you can still get 100$ am5 boards now
it was just at the start because new ddr5 boards and more layers etc.
frozen ingot
but it was about as high end as you could get then
reef patrol
I haven't personally paid for a motherboard in years, and I still think they're overpriced.
balmy vector
frozen ingot
now $250 is like lower midrange, crazy times
reef patrol
ashen spindle
paying like 200 for mine and it has all I need so eehh not that bad
sharp badger
Paid €320 for my Z690 Aorus Pro
ashen spindle
intel boards dont start that much cheaper if you ignore ddr4
lyric hatch
Gotta have that 10GB LAN built in for optimal gaming performance
Motherboard marketing is the best
misty matrix
I paid too much for my board but I am happy with it tbh
sharp badger
Wanted a 7-segment dísplay and not LEDs only on my mobo
misty matrix
the fact that you only really get post code displays with upper segment mobos is criminal
frozen ingot
wasn't always the case but somehow manufacturers upcharge the cost of a two digit 7-segment display by a 1000000% now
frozen ingot
sad part is people just accept it and cough up the money anyways so there's not much incentive for them to charge any less
sharp badger
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-AORUS-PRO-rev-1x#kf It wasn't the best specced mobo but it was good enough
There are other ways to get the 7-segment readers but it should be a standard still to have them on the mobo imo.
misty matrix
my b650e master is a really nice board overall, but also very expensive to be fair
frozen ingot
I like how we've just gotten used to paying a lot more for a lot less
misty matrix
or well, was really expensive not sure how much it is now
not flagship expensive but still
the post code displays should start at least one segment sooner than they do now
such a useful feature
sharp badger
It's ~€350
misty matrix
well that is a bit of a difference lol
oh well
eh but then again, stuff is just more expensive here anyway when it comes to electronics
sudden imp
now $250 is like lower midrange, crazy times
I do like how they standardized what features come with a chipset so you can look at a specific chipset for the features you want and buy what’s in your price range.
Wrong reply oh well
whole axle
yes and thats good
Only expensive board I ever got was the n7 b550 and that was of the aesthetic
nova wasp
having issues with increasing actuation point. simply raising the scroll to a higher value does not affect the actualy actuation
vivid vine
having issues with increasing actuation point. simply raising the scroll to a hi...
So adjusting the values is not changing the keyboard what so ever?
I would Reset the keyboard and take it from there, make sure to save all the profiles
misty saffron
lyric hatch
Their testing is decent the scoring system not so much
zenith silo
wooting vs blackwidow v4
If you're asking if the razer keyboard is better, no..
pearl mason
If you're asking if the razer keyboard is better, no..
thanks..
frosty oyster
🫡
wheat plume
reef patrol
That agreement doesn't hold water in a court of law. And expecting ASMONGOLD of all people to offer any actual, relevant commentary on this matter is like asking a bloatfly about the geopolitics of North Korea.
wheat plume
How does it not hold up?
rocky canopy
reef patrol
Move to the US, and show me your receipt for an Adobe product, and I'll consider spending the time and resources to explain that to you. Otherwise move on with your life and enjoy blissful ignorance.
wheat plume
This doesn't just affect the US
It said worldwide in the terms
wheat plume
Xd
fair gull
Alright - Show me your receipt for an Adobe product.
they dont even run on linux
wheat plume
No they don't
wheat plume
Bet the website versions are only about 20% of the features that the application has though
reef patrol
My larger point is that you -love- to post random ass shit on this Discord, expecting everyone to explain random shit to you at length. I'm not playing that game today.
If you actually have a legitimate concern over this, I'll consider doing so, but no. It aint #lanaposting time today 😛
wheat plume
Like what Microsoft does with word
rough patrol
My favorite adobe product is cracked adobe photoshop 7 downloaded from some random guy on discord and it just works perfectly no issues
fair gull
and your bank account is always empty
and you post odd discord messages to your friends
wheat plume
I wish Gimp didn't look and act like an app from 1990
;_; the features are great
The UI and UX are horrible
rough patrol
My favorite adobe product is cracked adobe photoshop 7 downloaded from some rand...
Uhhh, i mean theoretically that would be cool if i had done that at some point but of couse i did not that would be bad
rough patrol
It seems that it is indeed not available for 200 for lifetime license anymore
It is not only available for 90
wheat plume
I hate that they say "on ALL operating systems"
They just support Mac and Windows and iPad OS
That's not all
fair gull
I wish Gimp didn't look and act like an app from 1990
years of tech debt and being FOSS
rough patrol
Yeah let me run it on ms-dos
fair gull
the tech debt is from it being FOSS
wheat plume
You really think proprietary apps don't get tech debt???
fair gull
and unlike for example the linux kernel they dont have someone overseeing every change going into it and spending their entire work day on it
rough patrol
Eh, i feel like lately a lot of old open source software is doing a lot to modernize and clean up their shit
fair gull
You really think proprietary apps don't get tech debt???
they do but they also do radical redesigns sometimes
rough patrol
The vlc beta looks clean af and fixes some really annoying bugs they have had for a while
fair gull
at least on a scale of gimp
if we talk way beyond that scale it becomes increasingly more difficult to "fix" tech debt
reef patrol
"lifetime license"
That has never backfired for any customer ever. 😄
ashen spindle
not everything is always an exclusive, the tech debt coming from it being badly maintained FOSS doesnt mean closed source doesnt get tech debt cmon
rough patrol
"lifetime license"
That has never backfired for any customer ever. 😄
Can they revoke my license if i get pronounced dead and come back to life?
Or if i fake my death
wheat plume
not everything is always an exclusive, the tech debt coming from it being badly ...
I agree
Tony just said it in a way that suggested that it has it due to being foss
ashen spindle
which seems like it is in this case
fair gull
and unlike for example the linux kernel they dont have someone overseeing every ...
read
wheat plume
which seems like it is in this case
Probably yeah
ashen spindle
he didnt say FOSS in general causes it
so idk what you are disagreeing with if you you agree here xD
reef patrol
Can they revoke my license if i get pronounced dead and come back to life?
They'll just release a "new" product that invalidates the old license.
Happens ALL the time.
fair gull
lifetime for specific versions... love those contracts
wheat plume
....so you can't upgrade the software??
fair gull
sometimes idk about affinity
but its common for lifetime licenses
a lot of software companies tie it to specific major versions or ranges of major versions
wheat plume
Oh yeah
This is only for v2
When v3 comes out it won't let you use it, right??
Damn wtf
fair gull
yes
wheat plume
What happens then when v2 goes EoL?
fair gull
your license is valid
thats it
you didnt pay for a continuing existing product but for having a license for it
reef patrol
You keep installing the old version. Just like the average pensioner who still uses Office 2004 😄
ashen spindle
end of life doesnt mean the software you have installed takes its own life to uninstall
fair gull
but yeah a lifetime license just means you can use a specific software with specific terms
fair gull
mac office doesnt exist
reef patrol
wheat plume
Recall is no longer enabled by default
For now
But a hacker could still break in and enable it for you and then come back a month or so later to take the data gathered
ashen spindle
if a hacker is on your pc like that it really doesnt matter
at all
he could just get the data himself
reef patrol
wheat plume
Yeah
But recall is an automated way to get the data
They don't have to constantly monitor
They can just enable it
Leave and come back and gather it all
ashen spindle
you will be so surprised when I tell you what malware can do when you have root access
wheat plume
You don't need root access to enable recall
It's just a toggle on settings which can be done via a single terminal command
Bake that command into a virus or something
Or a fake installer for another app
reef patrol
You don't need root access to enable recall
It's just a toggle on settings whic...
Which... requires "root" or admin access.
ashen spindle
"you dont need root access it's enough if you get the user to execute a virus file" like you cannot be serious with that argument
wheat plume
?
You don't need root access to run software on Windows
Regular users can install apps
reef patrol
You DO need to run an admin level terminal to change those settings.
wheat plume
Then how come you don't need to give a password to enable them in the GUI?
reef patrol
Because you're the user...who already ran an admin level app
wheat plume
I'm talking regular user perms
Not the admin user
Just logged into the computer as a normal user
wheat plume
Ok ok nvm
reef patrol
Show me an example of a non-admin user doing this. I'll wait.
wheat plume
Login to your regular user account
Open the system settings
Enable recall
Nowhere in that process requires admin
reef patrol
SHOW - ME
wheat plume
No user access prompts needed
reef patrol
I'm not going to create a second account on my PC just to prove you wrong here 😄
wheat plume
I've never once had the UAC prompt show up when changing system settings in the GUI
And I had just regular user account
reef patrol
Most settings aren't admin required, because they don't affect anything like that.
wheat plume
I've had it show up for running software installers
But never for the system settings app
reef patrol
There's PlENTY of UAC prompt settings.
wheat plume
Recall doesn't require admin either
You can enable and disable it with any user level perms
ashen spindle
it doesnt even matter, because how does a hacker get the recall data without having root access
like assume the hacker tricks you into enabling recall, whats the next step
how does he get the data without having local access
reef patrol
*Hello yes this is Microsoft tech support - definitely not Hajiib from India - Please enable "recall" in your control panel. I am not a virus"
ashen spindle
I have no clue if mansen is right or not but that step also doesn't change that you still need access to get data
wheat plume
:")
That could work
A lot of people fall for those scams
reef patrol
:")
That could work
A lot of people fall for those scams
If someone falls for that, they've already handed over all of their information. Moot.
wheat plume
If people can be fooled into thinking they have viruses because some scammer ran the tree command in terminal, then I'm sure a scammer can get the user to send them the recall data using similar tactics
ashen spindle
ok so now its social engineering, you know whats a lot easier? just social engineer them into saying your password
fickle ore
tbh scamming aint that bad economy wise, its just redistributing wealth from the older non tech savvy folks to younger ppl
they werent gonna use it anyway!
wheat plume
ok so now its social engineering, you know whats a lot easier? just social engin...
Fair point
ashen spindle
tbh scamming aint that bad economy wise, its just redistributing wealth from the...
true, case in point is you giving money away to people shorting intel 
fickle ore
true, case in point is you giving money away to people shorting intel <:dogekek:...
uh its not my money they're shorting with
ashen spindle
werent you long intel?
fickle ore
Stocks yes but that dont mean Im lending my shares to shorters
lyric hatch
Microsoft will also require Windows Hello to enable Recall, so you’ll either authenticate with your face, fingerprint, or using a PIN. “In addition, proof of presence is also required to view your timeline and search in Recall,” says Davuluri, so someone won’t be able to start searching through your timeline without authenticating first.
This authentication will also apply to the data protection around the snapshots that Recall creates. “We are adding additional layers of data protection including ‘just in time’ decryption protected by Windows Hello Enhanced Sign-in Security (ESS) so Recall snapshots will only be decrypted and accessible when the user authenticates,” explains Davuluri. “In addition, we encrypted the search index database.”
ashen spindle
I just meant short in terms of they bet price go down and make money on it so you lose from the shares dropping value
fickle ore
Yeah I've lost the paper gains but shorting is temporary so I've just gotta wait for shorters to go chase better shit
Unless im selling which Im not
ashen spindle
that assumes it goes up again and not just further down
ashen spindle
that is a lot
fickle ore
yes
wheat plume
> Microsoft will also require Windows Hello to enable Recall, so you’ll either a...
Ooo
This is new!
ashen spindle
I mean in tech it is probably one of the less risky ones because they are just so far behind in server AI that ai bubble bursting wont hurt them as much 
fickle ore
yeah Gaudi failing wont matter crap!
wheat plume
I wonder will Microsoft ever make it impossible to create a Windows VM?
fickle ore
Any cool Intel news??
wheat plume
So that if you wanna use windows you must have a computer running it natively
ashen spindle
its not cool but its intel news https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfUcKJwbAFk
steep creek
that thumbnail
ashen spindle
I mean, lunar lake seems nice just surprising it's like late Q3/4 when amd has strix in july
thats about all, nothing big new for now
fickle ore
Aww gonna be a slow summer 😭
frozen ingot
its not cool but its intel news <:dogekek:1134256020156317706> https://www.yout...
funny thing is all those brands more than deserve to get thrown under the bus
fickle ore
mb some cool monitor stuff on the latter part of the year hopefully
steep creek
yea im excited for the upcoming monitors
zen5 is cool but my cpu is still good enough for what i do
ashen spindle
im excited to see zen5 in reviews so we can guess what they might do as new tech in x3d
steep creek
true will be nice to see
ashen spindle
most of it is N3E
some desktop skus are 20a
lunar lake has the same P cores and its all tsmc
fickle ore
Yeah that's quite interesting too N3E I mean, bc it will have parity with AMD so we getto see how it compares to zen5
ashen spindle
zen5 is on N4
fickle ore
Ah well still
ashen spindle
only Zen5C is on N3
fickle ore
No more frying and energy guzzling cpu memes
whole axle
Is Asus the only one to announce a 1440p 480hz?
frozen ingot
its kinda sad how almost every brand in the business got shit on them for doing manipulative marketing, reviewer coersion or scamming their customers
wheat plume
I'm also worried that employers will require Recall so they can spy on what their staff are doing
fickle ore
the thing is, quin, you and reviewers wont have any ammo vs intel when on N3E . Means its gonna moon like TSLA
ashen spindle
wym no ammo vs intel
the big failure for intel is still server
consumer is the only thing keeping them up even now
fickle ore
the big failure for intel is still server
When will that be alleviated potentially? 2026-2027?
steep creek
kinda sad how they compared current server cpus against last gen epyc and still were behind
reef patrol
I'm also worried that employers will require Recall so they can spy on what thei...
Lana... ffs. 😄
ashen spindle
When will that be alleviated potentially? 2026-2027?
2026 is when zen6 is coming out so they only have a chance there if amd screws up that gen
reef patrol
Companies have used legal spyware for this for decades. This does not change shit in that regard.
distant tapir
Is Asus the only one to announce a 1440p 480hz?
There might have been another by now but I can't remember.
But there will be more of course since Asus is not the ones who make the panel.
fickle ore
2026 is when zen6 is coming out so they only have a chance there if amd screws u...
you seem to have big trust in AMD eventho Intel gaining parity and potentially surpassing tsmc
Will see
whole axle
There might have been another by now but I can't remember.
I’m waiting to see if a company will come out with a glossy version of that since everyone and their mom says glossy panels only.
distant tapir
I’m waiting to see if a company will come out with a glossy version of that sinc...
The Asus one should be semi-glossy since it's QD-OLED.
fickle ore
I’m waiting to see if a company will come out with a glossy version of that sinc...
tbh 1440p 360hz would be enough for me, 480hz is a hard sell bc of 1440p
ashen spindle
you seem to have big trust in AMD eventho Intel gaining parity and potentially s...
well we know enough about projections for current gen+1 that its always safe to assume some things +-10% unless some fuckup happens, so from that the next gen doesnt look favorable for intel still
distant tapir
tbh 1440p 360hz would be enough for me, 480hz is a hard sell bc of 1440p
BFI and you "only" need 240 fps for 480 Hz motion clarity.
whole axle
The Asus one should be semi-glossy since it's QD-OLED.
I heard it’s matte? And that they had a protective film that made it look glossy? When the revealed it?
whole axle
tbh 1440p 360hz would be enough for me, 480hz is a hard sell bc of 1440p
I mean higher is better right 
fickle ore
well we know enough about projections for current gen+1 that its always safe to ...
Maybe but BSPD and new node will be like 30-40% jump for intel and allow to leapfrog
dunno if they can use it for servers
distant tapir
I heard it’s matte? And that they had a protective film that made it look glossy...
I can't remember tbh.
ashen spindle
Maybe but BSPD and new node will be like 30-40% jump for intel and allow to leap...
doest matter when issues are core counts and feeding memory for high core counts, raw powerdraw isnt the issue for servers
distant tapir
But it's not out yet so we'll find out confidently before release.
fickle ore
BFI and you "only" need 240 fps for 480 Hz motion clarity.
I dont want BFI; Oled and even 240 hz should be enough for myself given a good price
distant tapir
I mean higher is better right <:pepe_business:907696283664400404>
Yes.
ashen spindle
you seem to have big trust in AMD eventho Intel gaining parity and potentially s...
if anything I'm currently surprised that intel got less laptop design wins compared to zen5 xD
fickle ore
anyways u gotta hedge that AMD posi
distant tapir
I dont want BFI; Oled and even 240 hz should be enough for myself given a good p...
Lossless Scaling on Steam currently has 3:1 frame generation. When it can do 4:1 then you can play games that are for example locked to 60, use frame generation to hit 240 and with BFI that'll be 480 Hz of motion clarity in 60 Hz games.
The future is looking great!
distant tapir
Lossless Scaling on Steam currently has 3:1 frame generation. When it can do 4:1...
I want to do this with Kotor 2 since it bugs out above 60 fps.
whole axle
Lossless Scaling on Steam currently has 3:1 frame generation. When it can do 4:1...
Ok so I’m confused about this
That app
I got it yesterday
It was horribleeeeeeee
Made my game extremely dark
Or didn’t even scale my game and made a separate window
And it pixelated everything
whole axle
But it's not out yet so we'll find out confidently before release.
I really hope it’s glossy and like $1299. Very hopeful thinking 😭
distant tapir
I haven't used it myself but it sounds like you did something wrong.
whole axle
I haven't used it myself but it sounds like you did something wrong.
I watched a whole guide that’s the issue 😭
ashen spindle
Lossless Scaling on Steam currently has 3:1 frame generation. When it can do 4:1...
I think I just got motion sick from just reading 4:1 interpolation at 60hz 😵💫
fickle ore
I really hope it’s glossy and like $1299. Very hopeful thinking 😭
1299$ jesus I can get a car for that
Max I can do is 700
whole axle
Well if it’s $1299
From other oleds that came out
The other companies will come down to around $900
ashen spindle
like I hate even regular dlss interpolation <100fps I dont even want to imagine how bad latency would be for 4:1 at 60
whole axle
From what I’ve seen on pricing
Like there is a 1440p 240hz monitor from KtC you can get rn on Amazon for like $599
distant tapir
I think I just got motion sick from just reading 4:1 interpolation at 60hz 😵💫
I watched a comparion of the original Tomb Raider running at normal 30 versus 30 with frame gen to 60 and it looked perfect without any issues.
whole axle
So they come down in price eventually
fickle ore
if you have 60 fps and you generate extra frames, isnt that extrapolation not interpolation anyways?
ashen spindle
I watched a comparion of the original Tomb Raider running at normal 30 versus 30...
watching a video vs watching it in real time when you know the movement is very different
fickle ore
Are those the new ones with the fixed subpixel layout?
whole axle
Alienware and Samsung. Gonna sound stupid. But I just hate their brands and won’t buy anything even if it’s the best 💀
ashen spindle
if you have 60 fps and you generate extra frames, isnt that extrapolation not in...
no thats why it adds the one frame input lag because it holds the frame to have the option to interpolate
so at 4:1 you would add about 4*16ms latency lmfao
fickle ore
no thats why it adds the one frame input lag because it holds the frame to have ...
Interpolation is calculating/guessing values within known range though, extrapolation is finding new value outside range. Oo
Hmmh
ashen spindle
yes it interpolates between two known points
frame lerping just sounds shit and isnt perfectly accurate either as a term
fickle ore
so at 4:1 you would add about 4*16ms latency lmfao
Why the hell it needs to do that Wow that sounds shit
ashen spindle
well how else would you be able to get 4x the frames
fickle ore
Idek, some frame multiplication?
Oh well I guess we would've figured this out already yeah that sounds unusable at that much added latency
fickle ore
yes it interpolates between two known points
ah yeah xD
ashen spindle
like if you move to the left and then the right it can cause really gross smearing/ghosting because it cant do that well
distant tapir
We need this: https://blurbusters.com/frame-generation-essentials-interpolation-extrapolation-and-reprojection/
ashen spindle
lots of things needed to get much better framerates in the future but just tacking on frame gen isn't great
if it works for some to go from 30 to 60 on handheld even with extra lag fine, good usecase then but otherwise I really dislike the current implementations of it still
whole axle
Was Computex kinda boring to anyone else?
raw zephyr
i didn't really keep up with the news, i just saw teamgroup ram and amd cpu launch
ashen spindle
only boring thing was no gpu news
steep creek
i liked zen5, d15 gen 2 and that new fractal case the most haha
ashen spindle
lots of new cpu things, new memory standards shown, new noctua
whole axle
The only thing that interested me was camm2
steep creek
oh yea camm2 was nice
whole axle
Def want my next build to have that
Not sure how speed is gonna work with and chips and what not
And how soon it comes out
ashen spindle
your next build after this one will probably have LPCAMM instead
whole axle
What’s that?
ashen spindle
middle one
basically we will likely see both laptops and desktop move to that and unify the memory standard used in non-servers
reef patrol
Still not a fan of the implementation. Every board I've seen so far only allows for one module.
ashen spindle
90% of people dont upgrade ram and if they do they often still replace what they have to keep 2 dimms or because the kits arent compatible
reef patrol
90% of people dont upgrade ram and if they do they often still replace what they...
Funny - I must have been dealing with the 10%, constantly selling them additional sticks 😄
Every single store in my company had an infamous box of discarded RAM sticks, which were frequently used to upgrade PCs with. Never discount the sheer amount of OEM RAM.
whole axle
Is there a performance difference or is it just form factor?
ashen spindle
you can get up to 128gb on that stick size, on lpcamm6 maybe that increases even
reef patrol
you can get up to 128gb on that stick size, on lpcamm6 maybe that increases even
That's great - What happens to me previous 64GB stick then?
ashen spindle
lpcamm uses lpddr
you can sell that I guess
I'm not saying its perfect
but that issue just isnt going to hit many people
reef patrol
I'm not saying its perfect
It's functionally LESS than what we currently have.
ashen spindle
it means you can upgrade laptops vs having them soldered
reef patrol
At a tradeoff of "potentially" higher memory speeds and "potentially" cheaper RAM and Motherboards, due to a simpler lane design.
whole axle
lpcamm uses lpddr
I’m assuming that is better performance
steep creek
tbh im looking forward to this because at the moment i have to look for low profile ram that fits with my nhd15
reef patrol
it means you can upgrade laptops vs having them soldered
We already have that though - Not every laptop needs to be thin enough that a cat can break it by sitting on it flat.
These are my complaints - and I stick by them 😄
ashen spindle
its cheaper boards, cheaper ram sticks, better compatibility and higher speeds/capacity if needed
reef patrol
Promises promises
ashen spindle
I mean savings passed along is something else, if that doesnt happen it doesnt change its still cheaper to make them
reef patrol
Price is whatever the seller dictates. Using "potentially cheaper" is a poor argument, because it rarely holds water.
whole axle
Will the new x870e boards come with a camm2 option or no
ashen spindle
raw cost to make both these as well as the boards is going donw
ashen spindle
Will the new x870e boards come with a camm2 option or no
no clue
ashen spindle
eh, will just cost more for now since its brand new
whole axle
Yeah but the form factor is cool. If it performs better as well I’ll get it
ashen spindle
nah performance is the same since the memory limit for current amd is the memory controller not the ram sticks
steep creek
space savings will be sweet tho
whole axle
nah performance is the same since the memory limit for current amd is the memory...
I thought the ryzen 9000 and new boards fix that?
ashen spindle
no?
old marlin
Still not a fan of the implementation. Every board I've seen so far only allows ...
you can only have more than one module if you have 4 or more ram channels
ashen spindle
well no for the memory itself so for intel or future amd products
old marlin
CAMM occupies 2 channels
whole axle
Well either way as long as it’s not worse performance i’m hoping to get a board with camm
fair gull
i do like the fact CAMM is always dual channel at the minimum
whole axle
Bigger air cooler
reef patrol
CAMM occupies 2 channels
Sounds to me like they could half the module and allow for two modules of half size 😉
ashen spindle
yes means OEMs cant give you single stick pcs anymore
fair gull
also means people cant be dumb and populate the wrong slots on multi slot boards
the only thing i dont like about CAMM is that it screws onto an LGA socket...
id love a traditional DIMM socket
old marlin
Sounds to me like they could half the module and allow for two modules of half s...
would also mean you loose dual channel for the ability to only use one channel?
ashen spindle
they are working on a screwless version for future revisions
old marlin
the only thing i dont like about CAMM is that it screws onto an LGA socket...
the socket is removable btw
reef patrol
would also mean you loose dual channel for the ability to only use one channel?
Outside of cheapskate OEM and ITX, you'll have four channels though.
old marlin
Outside of cheapskate OEM and ITX, you'll have four channels though.
no
you only have 2 channels on consumer plattforms
with 2 sticks per channel
reef patrol
And explain to me why it needs four sticks worth of channel space, when DDR4 does fine with two? 😉
old marlin
isnt 4 channel DDR5 really unstable on consumer boards
4 channel DDR5 is not a thing on consumer boards to begin with
fair gull
with 2 per channel
old marlin
And explain to me why it needs four sticks worth of channel space, when DDR4 doe...
it just does not allow daisy chaining
since that hurts signal integrity
reef patrol
Excuses excuses.
old marlin
or was it 4 stick dual channel
yes
old marlin
Excuses excuses.
DDR5 is already an unstable mess
reef patrol
They want to reduce the wire length - it shouldn't come at a cost of modularity.
old marlin
you are not gonna use 4 high capacity modules at decent speeds
old marlin
They want to reduce the wire length - it shouldn't come at a cost of modularity.
not just wire length
they also wanna remove stubs
only way to remove stubs is to not allow that anymore
ashen spindle
we wont see it till like 27 anyway
ashen spindle
and aside from bob who would make a new pc with 8gb ram its a benefit for consumers
companies do more and more laptops instead of desktops so having upgradability there helps a lot more
fair gull
i do like the idea of a replacable "socket" as theres this dualsided LGA piece between mobo and CAMM right?
old marlin
i do like the idea of a replacable "socket" as theres this dualsided LGA piece b...
yes
ashen spindle
you mean that thing the background?
old marlin
mobo just has exposed traces
fair gull
you mean that thing the background?
yes
old marlin
fair gull
i wish intel had that
old marlin
technically was an intel thing actually
ashen spindle
so far its just on intel boards that are coming in winter
fair gull
i mean for their intel cpu sockets
ashen spindle
well, camm was a dell thing
fair gull
bent pins would be a thing of the past
reef patrol
Hot take - They need to do like servers and have one socket on either side of the CPU. Problem solved.
ashen spindle
you're not going to get quad chanel for consumer
doesnt matter if its left/right or front/back
reef patrol
fair gull
idk why youd want to insist on 2 ram modules over simplifying it into 1
ashen spindle
threadripper and such will get it
reef patrol
idk why youd want to insist on 2 ram modules over simplifying it into 1
Because of the sheer amount of ewaste.
There's always a bigger, faster module tomorrow. And your computer only has one slot.
fair gull
ok but youd also throw out the ones in your pc if you buy new ones
reef patrol
I have personally upgraded RAM on every single platform and generation I have ever had.
fair gull
cause they arent matched
ashen spindle
you think the tiny DIY market is going to make more ewaste than soldered dimms on laptop that are not a thing anymore?
fair gull
i have never kept my old ram when buying new one
steep creek
yea but if you get a fast one now it wont exactly be useless in just a few years
reef patrol
you think the tiny DIY market is going to make more ewaste than soldered dimms o...
Who said anything about DIY? Consumers go to stores to help them upgrade RAM.
ashen spindle
that counts under the DiY segment
old marlin
I have personally upgraded RAM on every single platform and generation I have ev...
at this point that is not recommendable
reef patrol
Most consumers never upgrade - They don't want or need a faster stick of RAM. They want to turn 16GB into 32GB because Windows 14 told them that was the minimum requirement.
old marlin
if you wanna upgrade DDR5 you want to replace the modules you use right now
fair gull
so now instead of 2 long boy sticks or 4 being thrown away for the next new ram a store(or i) would just replace one
reef patrol
I'm looking very longterm here - The industry's going to be in shit creek when consumer orgs realize how much ewaste this change has created.
old marlin
the only thing you really loose with CAMM overall is the maximum amount of ram you can have
ashen spindle
I had 3 sticks of ddr3 with 2x2 and one 4gb stick, that wouldn't really work with ddr5 anymore
ashen spindle
I'm looking very longterm here - The industry's going to be in shit creek when c...
sorry but you are just looking at a skewed angle with your experience and how that would work with newer memory, this is not going to make more ewaste but less
old marlin
with DDR5 getting 4 sticks to work at all is a pain
even hitting maximum JEDEC speeds can be a challenge
old marlin
Are there any speed specs for camm out?
JEDEC would be the same as regular DDDR5
though it could run faster than regular ones since it has shorter traces, no stubs etc
ashen spindle
Most consumers never upgrade - They don't want or need a faster stick of RAM. Th...
consumer would come to you because their system had 1 or 2 dimms with like 8 or 16gb, they want more, you sell them 2 new dimms because you're not going to find working sticks to just add to that
whole axle
So camm really has no downside other than being more expensive?
reef patrol
consumer would come to you because their system had 1 or 2 dimms with like 8 or ...
Thus creating more ewaste, yes.
fair gull
consumer would come to you because their system had 1 or 2 dimms with like 8 or ...
i never added sticks even if i knew the exact model. i always bought a matched set of the target size
old marlin
So camm really has no downside other than being more expensive?
less maximum capacity (which is limited with DDR5 somewhat anyways)
one common failure point for all your ram
ashen spindle
Thus creating more ewaste, yes.
I am talking about with existing dimms, you cant do that anymore
whole axle
less maximum capacity (which is limited with DDR5 somewhat anyways)
one common f...
I mean you only really need 32gb right
old marlin
i never added sticks even if i knew the exact model. i always bought a matched s...
tbh with DDR4 getting the exact same model could get you 2 physically different sticks
old marlin
I mean you only really need 32gb right
depends on who you are and what you do
reef patrol
I am talking about with existing dimms, you cant do that anymore
Because they made it not possible, yes. That has been my complaint so far. It is an artificial limit, due to malicious design.
old marlin
CAMM should be able to support 192GB
regular DDR5 could do twice that
but you won't get good speeds
ashen spindle
Because they made it not possible, yes. That has been my complaint so far. It is...
no you dont get what I'm saying, I'm saying with ddr5 and the current sticks you cant do that anymore, im not talking about camm
whole axle
depends on who you are and what you do
I have 16gb rn and everything is pretty much fine. Like i play FpS, souls like, and I dabble in ue5 for game development. 32gb should be more than enough
I think
reef patrol
no you dont get what I'm saying, I'm saying with ddr5 and the current sticks you...
Yes you can.
ashen spindle
if you get lucky and cripple your speeds maybe
old marlin
unless you look only at capacity
ashen spindle
but for not making it worse you will need a new kit anyway
reef patrol
Okay - I guess I must be hallucinating my two different brand sticks with not identical specs then.
ashen spindle
are you on ddr5
reef patrol
yes
ashen spindle
what sticks
old marlin
what capacity and what speeds 
cause ik with 4 sticks you struggle hitting 5600
max jedec is 6400
reef patrol
I never said anything about four sticks.
reef patrol
On DDR5? Now you're just spouting utter bullshit.
old marlin
no in general
reef patrol
That has been tested - thoroughly.
reef patrol
ohno
ashen spindle
you still have consistent cases of sometimes big changes on ddr5 when not using dual channel
whole axle
I have 16gb rn and everything is pretty much fine. Like i play FpS, souls like, ...
@old marlin would 32gb be enough for what I do? 
whole axle
you still have consistent cases of sometimes big changes on ddr5 when not using ...
Those 1% are insane
ashen spindle
higher resolution and other games make sometimes less differences ofc
reef patrol
Like I said - thoroughly tested.
old marlin
<@595970503710343168> would 32gb be enough for what I do? <:pepesalute:101742484...
probably
ashen spindle
and yet even in lower settings that game has big benefits from dual channel
reef patrol
I feel like we're moving the goalposts every five minutes.
First DDR5 can't run at all with mixed sticks - I run that fine.
Then DDR5 shouldn't be done ever with a single stick. Did for months with zero issues in -any- of the games that I actually play
ashen spindle
so yes, it has been tested and shown to still matter
old marlin
I feel like we're moving the goalposts every five minutes.
First DDR5 can't run...
I just said that DDR5 is known for being unstable
and 2 sticks just perform a lot better
ashen spindle
no the goalpoast is that lpcamm means you dont run single sticks anymore which still causes issues and any upgrade would assume that you compare to starting at 2 sticks on dimm boards anyway and nobody goes from 2 to 4 dimms with just another set of ddr5 dimms
so overall it's still just a net gain for the consumer
so in 27 or 28 maybe we might start to see the first boards, really depends on what amd/intel gens line up with new standards, consumers will hopefully get the cost savings passed on a little bit and everyone gets easy to upgrade laptops and mansen still yells at clouds in his pond 😛
reef patrol
Your old RAM sticks in a decade
If the industry wants to waste more, at least force them to recycle properly.
ashen spindle
how is that any different from ddr4 sticks not being used anymore
rough patrol
Wrong
old marlin
so should everyone just buy a single stick and then get one in a decade for two?
rough patrol
My old ram sticks will be stuck in a drawer in a decade
old marlin
what
reef patrol
how is that any different from ddr4 sticks not being used anymore
I was still selling DDR3 sticks by the bundle during Covid.
old marlin
I was still selling DDR3 sticks by the bundle during Covid.
but you can also sell DDR5 sticks
reef patrol
USED ones
ashen spindle
ok and you can still take old camm sticks and sell them to someone else
you can now even take them from laptops that are dead otherwise vs having soldered on memory
reef patrol
ok and you can still take old camm sticks and sell them to someone else
They can't add, only replace. You said as much.
ashen spindle
for new builds you can still use them
and again, you can't really add a random 3rd or 4th stick on ddr5 dimms either
reef patrol
You don't use old sticks for new builds. You slot in another 16GB in an existing machines to extend the life.
old marlin
You don't use old sticks for new builds. You slot in another 16GB in an existing...
with DDR5 that only works if you only use 1 stick though
reef patrol
Yes - Which is a real thing, Pronin.
old marlin
rare occurence though
ashen spindle
if we would not get lpcamm but ddr6 instead that would also not work anymore, you likely wouldnt be able to match even 1 other sticks like you did it now
reef patrol
rare occurence though
Not even remotely.
violet vessel
hello, any advices for apex using ?
ashen spindle
the technical limitations would be the same for that on dimms
old marlin
hello, any advices for apex using ?
got no signs of their german page using "?"
violet vessel
got no signs of their german page using "?"
sry i wanted to type advice, not english)
ashen spindle
for the game? better ask in an apex discord, for using wooting in it? change settings and find your preferences
old marlin
Not even remotely.
for reference, geizhals first listing for a single stick (sorted by popularity) is on position 40
which is a 4800mhz 16gb stick from crucial
for 44€
for 55€ crucial sells you 2 sticks of 5600mhz for 16gb total
reef patrol
OEM upgrades
Just stop pinging me at this point. We're so past each other it's pointless 😄
old marlin
that is a very specific usecase
buuut
you would require less OEM upgrades
since CAMM would just be faster
and does not allow for 8GB afaik
ashen spindle
just make an email reminder for in like 4 years and we can resume it with stats for it
old marlin
yea has to be 16
steep creek
halcyon moss
8gb in 2024 is BS
steep creek
some of the unoptimized software my uni uses makes 16 seem like 8 anyways lol
halcyon moss
if i run our whole test suite... 32gb is not enough 😦
outer verge
Sup
steep creek
i upgraded to 32 last year it’s been great ever since
halcyon moss
swap swap
ashen spindle
I dont think lpcamm even has anything below 16gb
steep creek
true could have done that
ashen spindle
and thats for current lp5 which and desktop we get lp6 so I think 16 will stay but we could also see 24gb as the minimum
steep creek
nice i would love a little more than 16 on the laptop so 24 seems nice for that
ashen spindle
I think 16gb will still be the starting spec just due to costs
but since you can upgrade that easier now in laptops that's not an issue for that
steep creek
yeah i’m looking forward to the upgrade ability
also in desktops means i can keep using my nhd15 with more ram options
halcyon moss
i wonder when camm will come to desktop
distant tapir
Is doing a big ram speed upgrade worth it for 1080p gamers?
ashen spindle
upgrade from which speeds and on which cpu
ashen spindle
i wonder when camm will come to desktop
first boards with the big camm are coming later this year, they were seen on computex
steep creek
nice so i will probably upgrade when camm on desktop is out, 9900k is just fine still for me
halcyon moss
i want an upgrade.. i dont need an upgrade
my 3700x and 5700-xt still do fine
ashen spindle
well you can upgrade your cpu whenever for like 200something euros
halcyon moss
a 5800x3d
been tempted a couple of times
woven laurel
halcyon moss
zen 5, ryzen 9000
ashen spindle
ah yeah maybe
yeah would do more for work and all but also more than just a cpu ugprade in your case
lofty pivot
9800x3d might not be till early next year though
the x3d chips are always a bit behind the launch of the normal series
lofty pivot
oo interesting
halcyon moss
5800x3d is a "drop in" replacement for me 3700x
ashen spindle
but schedules can always change of course
halcyon moss
but i'll probably get a whole new system some time in the future
lofty pivot
2nd hand 5800/5700x3d is good deal honestly if you find a trustworthy one locally
although 5700x3d is getting real cheap new these days too lol
i pray my pc lasts until 9800x3d launches. Today my monitors and half the pc randomly shut down. Definitely running into either scuffed psu limits or motherboard issues
ashen spindle
7600x goes for less than 200, can always get that as placeholder
right forgot apus fit the socket too now
ashen spindle
yeah I tried DDG when that popped up
and switched back to google like an hour later lmao
wheat plume
DDG is great for the bang feature
You can search most websites from the URL bar without needing to go to the site itself first
ashen spindle
yeah too bad its not great for finding what I'm searching for lol
wheat plume
Meanwhile on Google search, you need to scroll past all the AI overviews and sponsored links before you get something similar to what you want
ashen spindle
havent seena single sponsored link ever
just use adblocker
and even if I had to scroll past ads and ai bs, would still likely find on page one what I searched for, when on ddg I had to look on like page 3 or further
google got a lot worse but it's still the best sadly
vagrant pagoda
Is doing a big ram speed upgrade worth it for 1080p gamers?
Depends on the machine
wheat plume
This is a petty board 🥺
Makes me wanna get the Alumaze case for my 60he so badly so I get pretty purple
frozen ingot
if they work out how to make a knob switch it probably will be
but you'll be sacrificing what precious few keys you have
wheat plume
True
old marlin
This is a petty board 🥺
why does this much suffice to convince me it is shitty dyesubs
old marlin
if they work out how to make a knob switch it probably will be
you'd need more input options
wheat plume
This is not the key caps that come with the board
The ones that come with it have the legends on the side
old marlin
This is not the key caps that come with the board
I mean the board looks like nothing special to me
wheat plume
And are one color
old marlin
I personally don't like the layout
frozen ingot
gib wooting macropad with knob
vagrant pagoda
I wanna add a knob to the 60he
Idk if that's possible though xd
Just glue it to the case
It's what I did
old marlin
I personally don't like the layout
specialyl if you consider how many decent and cheap boards there are now
vagrant pagoda
I have my deje knobs and a 2x6 macro pad attached to me two
wheat plume
O?
old marlin
It's what I did
did you actually glue it
I personally am waiting for a decent fullsize custom tbh
probably this one https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=121905.0
distant tapir
upgrade from which speeds and on which cpu
3600 MT/s CL14 DDR4 ram to whatever.
9800X3D.
ashen spindle
uh, you aint running ddr4 on zen5
vagrant pagoda
did you actually glue it
Hot glue yeah
old marlin
wait till it is out
ashen spindle
yes.. so the ram speed isnt what you upgrade?
old marlin
and see if that gen of CPUs and mobos handles speeds a bit better than current gen stuff
ashen spindle
if you mean what sort of speeds you should go for, wait for release but ddr5 6000 is a safe bet
that works on boards and is a sweet spot for am5
distant tapir
if you mean what sort of speeds you should go for, wait for release but ddr5 600...
Alright. And yes that is what I meant.
vagrant pagoda
You can buy 6,000 right now what do you mean wait?
ashen spindle
you can't buy the cpu
and we dont know how memory scaling affects that so could go for faster if it works or save money if slower does the trick
vagrant pagoda
Io die is the same and still 6nm
ashen spindle
yes but we dont know what they change to the vcache tile and if for example it's 1.5x capacity that could be enough to make it so 6000 isnt needed and it tops out at 5200 for max performance or something
vagrant pagoda
It's the same on eypc
ashen spindle
could also be same io die different stepping and that makes 6400 stable
vagrant pagoda
So it's the same size boost
ashen spindle
great and epyc9005 isnt out yet either
distant tapir
You can buy 6,000 right now what do you mean wait?
I'm waiting for new GPUs too. I'm doing a build overhaul. Smaller case etc.
vagrant pagoda
The only unknown is if we get a 2 die x3d
ashen spindle
we also dont know the cache capacity on epyc for this gen so that still isn't ruling out denser vcache
idk why you are so averse to waiting for the product to be out to say something for certain lol
old marlin
Io die is the same and still 6nm
might behave a bit different + new boards might handle a bit more
old marlin
The only unknown is if we get a 2 die x3d
tbh not sure if games would benefit from that
vagrant pagoda
Windows will
old marlin
since only CPUs on the same die as the cache could make use of it
vagrant pagoda
You wouldn't need software wrangling cores
old marlin
so you would either need superb handling of what goes where
ashen spindle
we could get it if they removed the clockspeed penalty so you just have more cache
old marlin
or you would need to do an sli
where you sync the two caches
and half the useable capacity essenitally
ashen spindle
we could also get a bridged vcache yes
less likely of course but either way stuff could work different
like the l3 cache on zen5 vanilla seems different already so we can have more guesses once thats out, no point speculating about x3d now
vagrant pagoda
I doubt they would add more layers given the current electrical limits with the bonding
old marlin
impossible to know
vagrant pagoda
So there is almost no chance it's higher capacity
old marlin
ashen spindle
the l3 in the die shot is smaller so the same vcache slab could have higher capacity
not talking about 2 hi vcache
vagrant pagoda
The vcache stack is copy paste of the L3 stacked
ashen spindle
and the l3 is denser so a copy of that could fit more into the same area..
vagrant pagoda
The same area as the new smaller L3?
x3D is just 2 more layers of same exact cache layout
ashen spindle
the piece would cover the entire ccd so yes
if you have the entire ccd in both cases but the newer cache is denser you have more capacity in the same chip
vagrant pagoda
The new ccd is smaller too though
ashen spindle
you could have the tsvs not just be in cache and make the structural support silicon on the outer sides smaller
no zen5 is larger
like 5mm^2
vagrant pagoda
Every image I've seen of 5 is smaller, 5c has big boi dies
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/FritzchensFritz/status/1797638258723365189 ok the 5mm2 was wrong but the ccd is basically the same, the core is much bigger and as a result the cache is smaller
Twitter
core is like 25% bigger so the cache has to be that much smaller
so take a 25% density gain, make it wider so you dont have the structural support silicon and you have 50% denser vcache slab vs last gen
whole axle
just watched this
Apparently the way x3d will be implemented is way diff from 5000 or 7000
So hopefully big improvements
ashen spindle
yes thats what we talked about, in an interview to pcgamer they said as much but nothing specific
nah
ads cost, doesnt do much for non gaming and currently still drops clocks
vagrant pagoda
"really cool differentiators" could mean a bespoke RGB cooler
ashen spindle
now you're just expecting them to be outright dishonest
vagrant pagoda
How would that be dishonest
Differentiators is marketing speak
If they had some major technological improvement why wouldn't they say we have some new fancy technology
ashen spindle
the quote is
"It's not like, hey, we've also added X3D to a chip. We are working actively on really cool differentiators to make it even better. We're working on X3D, we're improving it."
and you think just a cooler is what would fly with that
vagrant pagoda
If a fancy RGB cooler is an improving a product why do they cost more
Lol
Notice how they don't mention new technology and they don't mention it running faster
ashen spindle
notice how I said those things would be speculation
like damn are you pessimistic if you think senior technical marketing people would talk about an rgb cooler from that lol
lofty pivot
long as the 9800x3d can run 480hz oled without dipping below in my main games i'm happy
whole axle
long as the 9800x3d can run 480hz oled without dipping below in my main games i'...
Literally what im asking for
you getting the 1440p 480hz?
lofty pivot
yeah 100%, it's why I'm upgrading the system lol
whole axle
Same
whole axle
yeah 100%, it's why I'm upgrading the system lol
You gonna get the asus one or wait for others?
You one of the i need glossy types lmao
lofty pivot
will wait for reviews and see probably. I hope LG release a version too because Asus doesn't sell their top end monitors in korea that often
I saw acer has one coming too, so will be interesting to see which one is best
balmy vector
yeah 100%, it's why I'm upgrading the system lol
OOOOOOLEEEED 
steep creek
steep creek
balmy vector
Ai when its ready
vagrant pagoda
Love how AI is just "we didn't want to actually code it so we ran it though ML" for 90% of products.
sudden imp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45CvTHmt_dI
The only reason most of these products have ‘AI’ slapped on it is to clearly please shareholders.
wheat plume
huh, Windows laptops are getting rounded corners now
idk if thats a good idea
at least on macOS, the corners contain the menu bar, but on Windows, the apps extend to the top corners
so the edge of the close button might be cut off
wheat plume
not when you maximise a window
balmy vector
Circle laptop
wheat plume
when maximised, the app gets square corners again
wheat plume
Circle laptop
damn, smartwatches had the right idea all along!!!!! /s
balmy vector
steep creek
damn, smartwatches had the right idea all along!!!!! /s
except aw which is squared 
wheat plume
Aw?
steep creek
apple watch
steep creek
fair actually its kinda rounded
wheat plume
the edges yeh xd
steep creek
but text doesnt cut off like on circle watches
wheat plume
Square corners on a watch would look awful
steep creek
yea haha
wheat plume
Exhibit A: The Pine64 Watch
it is just 35 dollars and fully open source though so you cant knock it much
steep creek
nice
fair gull
i can knock bad smartwatches all i want if they are essentially ewaste being sold to people
steep creek
i think the closest thing to an actual square watch i had was the pebble
wheat plume
i can knock bad smartwatches all i want if they are essentially ewaste being sol...
Yeah....,true ;-;
Also, I reallllyyyyy hope Spotify open up the Car Thing once they kill support for it later this year :/
Like do something like what Google did when they allowed Stadia controllers to use bluetooth
The Car Thing is awesome hardware
fair gull
everything i have seen from the pine watch so far was more like any other chinese smartwatch
especially some of the ui design choices are
wheat plume
Pine Watch can run mobile linux distros though
fair gull
yeah well questionable
last i checked it has less than 5mb storage and not even 256kb ram
idk what linux distro you wanna run on that
wheat plume
oh....
wait, then maybe it was some other watch that did that then
I swear I saw one that can run mobile Linux
fair gull
yeah 512kb flash and an aditional of soc 4mb flash chip (so slow af data) and 64kb ram
i dont even think you can compile a linux kernel that fits into 64kb of ram
let alone the flash size
wheat plume
definetly not xd
fair gull
hard to find apple watch specs but they seem to have 1gb of ram and 64gb of flash
so that would also explain why they are way more functional and "good looking" ui wise
steep creek
yea if im not wrong they upped flash from 32 to 64 starting with series 9
also wwdc tonight in like 2 hours https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXeOiIDNNek
this time ill prob just get a new watch band mine is starting to wear down, just give me another orange color 
ah im still on ultra 1 they didnt change anything really on the 2 so im doubtful for now
u1 holding up too well for me to upgrade
sharp badger
How's the battery life on the Ultra?
steep creek
2 days minimum for me, 3 days if no exercise tracking
sharp badger
Ok 😅
steep creek
but that can drop down to one full day if i keep cellular on all day, i dont tho
sharp badger
Yeah i do like the ''smart'' function some watches have but the Garmin battery life is too damn good to give up
steep creek
yea true garmin battery is so good
far surpasses apple and probably most other smart watches
sharp badger
Yeah kinda interested in how this new Galaxy Ultra watch will hold up
steep creek
i dont do as hardcore hikes to need garmin watches so aw is fine for my usecases
sharp badger
Don't really think about it, it just updates when it updates and with the battery life it's like a week, now that i've got 2x gps runs, 3x training & some walking it usually last like 6 days
astral haven
my 2018 model is out of updates, but its still working with the new update of the software
(phone software)
steep creek
in an hour we will see how apple ranks in ai / min
i think amd is ranked one currently
balmy vector
Cant wait for this ai / min competition to continue
astral haven
nope, still intel at 2.7
steep creek
but kinda not since if the rumor is right they wont call it artificial intelligence but apple intelligence instead
but i guess shortened its still ai so
steep creek
nope, still intel at 2.7
oh i see
steep crescent
Is there a way to change the RGB of my keyboard when I switch to another layer of my key layout?
astral haven
click on the layer and change it?
steep crescent
When I switch the layer the color doesnt change. Also I get "RGB fx is only displayed and adjustable on the Main Layer." I dont know
ashen spindle
steep creek
lmao
steep creek
reef patrol
Google's own Gmail implementations aren't even good - Apple doesn't stand a chance there 😄
steep creek
i thought game mode existed for ios since its been out for macos for a while
steep creek
only feature i like so far is control center redesign ngl
astral haven
apple allow users to put icons at the bottom right without icons at the top right challenge (impossible)
steep creek
steep creek
inb4 they limit it to only eu
ashen spindle
urgh why does youtube allow you to disable going back on a live stream I just want to skip through what happened
rough osprey
weird
astral haven
urgh why does youtube allow you to disable going back on a live stream I just wa...
low latency mode
steep creek
there is no way i will nod my head this way while next to people
rough osprey
to first gen airpods pro?
ashen spindle
I dont understand why its a live stream when its just playing back a recording anyway
rough osprey
ohh thats cool
steep creek
only for apple tv tho
rough osprey
no lossless :C
astral haven
then dont do it in low latency
its so that all the journalists get the news at the same time otherwise it would be unfair
ashen spindle
I think you overestimate how long normal youtube delay is
rough osprey
damn david kinda cool
astral haven
its 30s to a minute at 1.5x speed
steep creek
i am comparing it youtube to apple tv on my phone, phone is alrady showing watch os while pc is still on tv os,,
ashen spindle
also low latency still gets saved as a vod so should still allow people to scroll back
rough osprey
can u scroll back on the apple website
astral haven
i am comparing it youtube to apple tv on my phone, phone is alrady showing watch...
1.25x on the pc, itll auto go back to 1x when its caught up
astral haven
sounds about right, but probably less ahead
astral haven
sounds about right
rough osprey
where da AI stuff
astral haven
that suggests its being sent to apple cloud, where it is immediately broadcast live, and one of the live targets is youtube who is set to as low latency as possible
rough osprey
more then last year xd
astral haven
the interesting thing has only ever been "one more thing"
steep creek
yea last year they showed off the spatial computer ™️
astral haven
yep, vision pro is neat if still undercooked
ashen spindle
it sucks but it's a needed painful product if you want to get that segment rolling
perhaps a year too early or something but it needed to be out at some point
steep creek
yea im just waiting for the day vision pro gets as thin as glasses
will be waiting for a long time for that but yea
steep creek
thats it guys go and buy your ipad
rough osprey
you will need the newest ipad pro for this feature
ashen spindle
now thats something you can use an NPU for to do low power recognition
balmy vector
whats going on?
rough osprey
Ipad has Calculator now
balmy vector
Peak
steep creek
mark gurman said m1 and above for these ai features i think
rough osprey
mark gurman said m1 and above for these ai features i think
oh no
steep creek
and 15 pro and above for iphone
astral haven
rip this ipad app https://soulver.app/ i guess
ashen spindle
you can draw stuff and it recognizes them and calculates it for you
steep creek
im gonna show it uni math see if it does anything or not
astral haven
hasnt sherlocked wolfram alpha yet probably
steep creek
i doubt it will
astral haven
actually hmm this presentation may get a sub .1 ai/minute score
rough osprey
Craig Moment
ashen spindle
nice but you could see it was a double xD
steep creek
i love craig
astral haven
how many years has android had this?
steep creek
oh sidecar for iphone
astral haven
opposite
steep creek
yea
astral haven
fkn finally tiling
steep creek
if only safari didnt break countless websites i visit
rough osprey
dont think it will integrate into windows
just show the passwords
but i could be wrong
Apple Games Showcase
finally
steep creek
i think they have said "later this year" more than "ai" in this keynote
rough osprey
wait a bit
steep creek
oh is happening
rough osprey
so thats what AI stands for
steep creek
mark gurman was right
astral haven
"protects your privacy"
as long as data given to apple is still considered private
rough osprey
ah hell nahh
pale sigil
This is weird
astral haven
no realistic looking photos is 1 way to do things
steep creek
what the hell even is this
frozen ingot
a shitty ai generated image
steep creek
ok so good that apple ai is opt in because i wont opt in
reef patrol
Apple and Facebook have been doing those for years
ashen spindle
so its recall but more useful because the ecosystem is better suited
still bleh though
steep creek
most of them not all
reef patrol
I guess Linus ran out of AMD money for staff - Now he's doing upgrade free cleanups for staff 😄
steep creek
hearing apple silicon servers is a bit funny especially after nuvia left
pale sigil
Will siri finally not be shit
astral haven
you can already type to siri???
steep creek
yea you can do that already
rough osprey
lol
astral haven
apple receiving support for google assistant features from 2 years back checklist
steep creek
huh did i see manual camera mode just there?
astral haven
huh did i see manual camera mode just there?
moment camera app
steep creek
ohh sad
steep creek
pale sigil
Invented Google lens
steep creek
yea i so doubt it will manage to pull the right flight details
astral haven
yea i so doubt it will manage to pull the right flight details
eh google already does it
flight data is already public
steep creek
siri tho, i dont believe it yet
pale sigil
Unrelated but is it bad I want one of those new snapdragon laptops
pale sigil
They re invented a plugin
steep creek
i'd wait for lunar lake reviews too
rough osprey
rip grammarly?
pale sigil
I forgot what it was called but it worked exactly like this
astral haven
probably grammarly yea
rough osprey
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