🔌│tech

[smoky frigate]

CARS ARE A DYING SPECIES
KEYBOAR

[acoustic sparrow]

oh thanks! I'll post my question there

[empty wren]

Could cost more for less features or flashy items

[compact plume]

can someone recommend a few pages where i can look up for keycaps?

[rough patrol]

are you na or eu or somewhere else?

[compact plume]

eu

[rough patrol]

https://oblotzky.industries/

also try candykeys

[compact plume]

ty @rough patrol

[pallid flower]

Hello, sorry to disturb but can we talk about headsets here or is it a forbiden topic ?

[ashen spindle]

anything tech works

[reef patrol]

Except IEMs. Not... not since the incident.

[halcyon moss]

Lots of headset discussion already happened here

You can try searching for them

[analog sinew]

my butt still hurts

that was really not cash money of you

[halcyon moss]

Like mmx200 and adaze

[reef patrol]

[pallid flower]

Oh okay. Hoping someone can help me
Do anyone have a great headset that stay great throught the years ? I've had my steelseries for like 1 or 2 years and sometimes it randomly begin to have a robotic sound so I would prefer to change if someone could help me please

[pallid flower]

Oooooh I will !!! Thank you !!

[analog sinew]

i have a mmx300 rn and I'm happy so far with it. My audiphile homie recommended it and has been using his for years

I dont know too much about audio stuff but it's good at least for me

🤷‍♂️

[pallid flower]

I will see thank you very much !!

[final flame]

https://tenor.com/view/etymotic-aliens-earphones-ety-aliens-gif-23110984

[cursive summit]

I LOVE being drilled by the Etymotics

[gusty kiln]

is there a general consensus on the most comfortable IEM atm?

[crisp granite]

airpods pro

[astral haven]

customs
generic iems can never be comfortable, only minimally uncomfortable for as many people as possible

[sharp badger]

I'd agree to that, had a pair of KZ which started to hurt after a while but have had better luck with TWS though

[gusty kiln]

finally caved and bought a gpx2, tried 4k and it's barely noticeable. Gunna use it with maximized battery life

[gusty kiln]

my ears have probably stopped growing and changing significantly now, maybe I'll try some

[astral haven]

get some custom earplugs just to see how you like the feel of filling your ear

[analog sinew]

fill your ears with playdoh instead

(dont actually do this)

[gusty kiln]

I definitely need to get aftermakret mouse feet for this, jeez these feel bad

[sharp badger]

https://www.maxgaming.fi/bilder/artiklar/zoom/28176_1.jpg?m=1694686769 These Sushi Dogs are unique looking

[gusty kiln]

prob will just get jades or tiger ice

not feeling glass

[sharp badger]

https://www.maxgaming.fi/bilder/artiklar/zoom/21310_1.jpg?m=1648791846 Lazer cats cooler though

Have a pair of Corepad skates for the G502XL which i haven't changed to yet

[gusty kiln]

good match with the vaxee mousepad

https://eu.vaxee.co/data/goods/gallery/202310/1697633655752621840.png

[chrome estuary]

What's a GPX2?

[quartz kernel]

G Pro X superlight 2 iirc

[gusty kiln]

Basically the most generic and safe mouse on the market, but S+ tier battery life

[chrome estuary]

Oh looks kind of cool I guess. After using a thumb ball mouse for the past 9 or more years. I don't actually like using normal mice

[gusty kiln]

kek

I wouldn't mind a ball mouse for work

seems decent for CAD

[sharp badger]

Gameball mouse for the elite gamers

[chrome estuary]

okay i had to google what the "gameball mouse" was and wtf is this thing?

oh, never mind alright this thing looks normal in this picture.

I might need to try out the Elecom EX-G pro. from what I'm reading, people think it's a good trackball for gaming

[fierce terrace]

yo what the f is that

[chrome estuary]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DMF2DNW

[fierce terrace]

ik just why the f would someone bother to buy it

[sharp badger]

Depends on what use case one have

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/b7V92lQMaH8

[zenith silo]

Gpx battery is wild

Wonder how long beastx mini battery lasts

My lamzus don't last long even on 1khz

[zenith silo]

About a week or two depending on how often I play

[lyric hatch]

Week or two is pretty good 🤷‍♂️

[zenith silo]

My gpx would last a month if not more

Playing a lot

[lyric hatch]

If you wanted it would be pretty easy to swap a 450mah battery and almost double your battery life and still be under the weight of a gpx

[zenith silo]

Yeah but 35g sounds insane

I already live with mid battery life Ill be fine

[astral haven]

i havent had to charge my gpx in 3 years 😛

[lyric hatch]

I haven't had to charge my wireless keyboard for 3 years either

Because it's always plugged in

[empty wren]

Well that was quite a satisfying session

[unkempt lake]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/nvidia-blames-intel-for-gpu-vram-errors-tells-geforce-gamers-experiencing-13th-or-14th-gen-cpu-instability-to-contact-intel-support

[earnest glacier]

guys i need help. i want to buy a new monitor specifically a benq zowie xl2546k 240hz ( $400) or xl2556x 360hz ( $600) .also am i able to reach stable 360fps in games (valorant, ow) with a 3060 and i7 10700 if the 360hz is the most worth choice

[ornate magnet]

Tech talk

[latent mural]

https://youtu.be/qwyOWGHZf0o?si=ifyVM5HH05CN0m0b

[glass apex]

I have the same specs and I only get 150-170 fps in val with a fresh windows install, I would upgrade before investing in a 360Hz monitor

[smoky frigate]

I don't get stable 360 on a 3080 12gb in ow2, but with VRR on that's not something I usually notice below like 220 fps

[lyric hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-elf-liar-you-sit-on-a-throne-of-lies-gif-17734593

[cursive summit]

Do not share MLiD here

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/97493/amd-ryzen-9-9950x-cpu-tested-zen-5-chip-is-46-faster-in-cinebench-r24-than-7950x/index.html

[cursive summit]

Get a 240hz qd-oled

[smoky frigate]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/97493/amd-ryzen-9-9950x-cpu-tested-zen-5-chip-is-46-faster-in-cinebench-r24-than-7950x/index.html

incel btfo once more lol

[cursive summit]

It was posted just now

[sharp badger]

https://youtu.be/BuEziDm9gQw

[analog sinew]

amd TOY TYOD

with the AMIN vending machine

[cursive summit]

What kind of klingon language are you using rn

[analog sinew]

the one on that ai image

[smoky frigate]

probably rendered on nvidia too

[cursive summit]

99% chance it was

[reef patrol]

What a weird shape. The Classic is much taller

[analog sinew]

i really like nvidiiiaaa

[smoky frigate]

nvidia products are gr8 but their quasi monopoly sux

[analog sinew]

dw intel is going to get them

[smoky frigate]

incel on the rise

[analog sinew]

they have the insane presentation part down

[smoky frigate]

honestly nvidia still innovates a lot for being in their position

if AMD was in their place graphics technology would be 10 years late

[ashen spindle]

Man some of these leak sites report only on the most stupid leaks as if they don’t even think about it lol

[lyric hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/machine-preparing-old-man-gif-17184195

[analog sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-jensen-huang-the-more-you-buy-the-more-you-save-keynote-2018-gif-12315008507302833354

[ashen spindle]

I mean, hardware technology wise they are the same or even ahead in DC and if NVIDIA wouldn’t have had the cuda monopoly all those software hours into rocm would mean we would be just fine in the same spot

[smoky frigate]

I mean nvidia came up with ray tracing, reflex, DLSS, frame generation

[cursive summit]

Nvidia did not invent raytracing

Nor did it invent frame gen lel

[ashen spindle]

Reflex came after amd had some smaller low input cutting software in drive and then NVIDIA worked on it

[fickle ore]

^ Amd started it first

[ashen spindle]

RT was not invented by NVIDIA that’s decades old technology

They just had the first hardware to accelerate it for real time graph

And then pushed on software side for it

[smoky frigate]

of course RT was not invented by nvidia, they had the idea to put it into consumer gpu's for real-time

[fickle ore]

Nvidia just went proprietary first just like they do on all their shit like ulmb or what was it called that hardware module in monitor

AMD was first there too

[ashen spindle]

Frame gen is also something amd had years ago for video frame generation this is just putting it into real time gaming

[cursive summit]

Wasn't real time RT done in like late 90s or early 2000s on radeon cards or some shit in some very specific tests

Or was it voodoo cards actually

[ashen spindle]

And the idea didn’t came from NVIDIA that was a plan decades ago already just the hardware couldn’t do it yet

[fickle ore]

But looks like NVIDIA marketing is spot on

everyone thinks they're the first just like WoW is the 1st mmorpg

[smoky frigate]

of course Nvidia didn't invent the universe mane, they put it into their consumer products

[ashen spindle]

Yeah so they were first to market with hardware for it but it’s not like nobody else thought of it lol

[smoky frigate]

my point is, AMD would not have thought of putting these things into consumer GPUs I THINK

[fickle ore]

wrong point

[smoky frigate]

since that universe doesn't exist this is of course speculation

[ashen spindle]

But they already did think of it

They just kinda didn’t have money because remember they almost went bankrupt?

That limits what you can do

[cursive summit]

Shouldn't have sold GloFo

[fickle ore]

AMD was first to many things but they chose different path: Proprietary vs open source

Im sure theyve seen the error of their ways now

[ashen spindle]

Selling GloFo saved them and was correct

[fickle ore]

You can expect more proprietary shit in future

[cursive summit]

A foundry service would have been a good thing long term

[ashen spindle]

Nah that open source is saving them ok data center right now

[ashen spindle]

Lol no

[smoky frigate]

doubt it, linux is a huge share of their market rn

[vagrant pagoda]

Not technically.

[ashen spindle]

Yeah II but in terms of actually using it as gpus, not enough time for this many topics to be super specific :p

[vagrant pagoda]

Intel showed it off first

[ashen spindle]

Yeah that’s why intel is struggling and doing the open foundry now

[vagrant pagoda]

In like 2010

[smoky frigate]

and yet you critisize super specific points

[ashen spindle]

Fair enough

[lyric hatch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV4qXzM641o

[cursive summit]

Real time raytracing has been done way before RTX was a thing anyways

[vagrant pagoda]

Phi was demoed early on doing real time rt

[ashen spindle]

Also im not saying AMD would 100% been better for us if NVIDIA wasn’t a thing hell no. But I don’t think there is anything NVIDIA did that amd without being at 5$ per share would not have done

[smoky frigate]

I think that with AMD we'd just have gotten the same GPUs but faster each time, nvidia does interesting shit with their hardware

[ashen spindle]

Really? I think reusing hardware for datacenter and finding a way to sell them as raytracing so you can keep the same uArch seems less interesting than chiplet gpus and such

[fickle ore]

I think we already refuted that point atleast 4 times

[cursive summit]

Btw, quin, did GloFo develop the 7nm node yet?

[smoky frigate]

name 4

[cursive summit]

I remember back in the day GloFo and 7nm was like the story of the month, how much they couldn't into 7nm

[ashen spindle]

Don’t think glofo will ever do 7nm

[cursive summit]

What's the point of them doing 7nm anyways

Their foundries are 200nm and 300nm

Can those fabs even do 12nm?

[ashen spindle]

And 12nm

What do you think zen1 was…

[analog sinew]

12nm++++++ and done

[cursive summit]

Ah yeah that's true, Zen 1 was on GloFo 14nm iirc

Also Zen 1+ iirc on 12nm

[smoky frigate]

just make bigger processors and you can stay on 12, EZ

[cursive summit]

That sounds dumb

[smoky frigate]

we should go back to room-sized computers

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/rtx-4090s-are-still-melting-two-years-after-launch-gpu-repair-facility-works-on-burned-rtx-4090s-every-single-day

[analog sinew]

who woulda thunk that pushing those wattages through a small connector was sussy

[ashen spindle]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_pBFG26oXJY like this is the old and fluid video stuff

7 years ago or so

[cursive summit]

Isn't Fluid Motion Frames basically the same tech

Just for games

[ashen spindle]

Obviously not as good as frame gen now but they had it as a product way before NVIDIA

[smoky frigate]

that we could not use in games

[cursive summit]

Not that you want to use FG in games either

Fake frames are fun

[ashen spindle]

Well yeah but if we argue theoreticals it’s not like they had no reason to think about it before or that there was no possible chance in an alternate universe without NVIDIA that this would not have been on idk rdna1 with working hardware

[smoky frigate]

in a monopoly they don't need to bother and I think they wouldn't have

[cursive summit]

AMD imo has done more useful innovation than Nvidia has

[ashen spindle]

Assume it’s roles switched rather than no Nvidia then

[smoky frigate]

both

[ashen spindle]

Stuff would be different sure but I don’t see us being 10years behind from that

[smoky frigate]

well I do, so here we are

[cursive summit]

https://www.techspot.com/news/102601-former-microsoft-developer-windows-11-performance-comically-bad.html

[analog sinew]

who installed win 8 in 2023

lmao

[cursive summit]

I will prolly install win 8 after win10 expires

[smoky frigate]

didn't know that the street lamps in my village could be used for perfect keying

[fair gull]

why not link the yt video though

[pale sigil]

Ye haha

[smoky frigate]

because I have this webm
I'm not gonna do the extra work of looking for the video

[fair gull]

literally one of the latest vids of corridor crew... not even work to find it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQuIVsNzqDk

[cursive summit]

Yeah t'was a good video

I wonder if the tech now after this will ever get utilized again

[fair gull]

it is the technically superior keying tech

i also wonder why disney used weird custom prisms instead of how they did it with the filters at each output of the prism

[pale sigil]

Because Disney

[cursive summit]

Wondering if even the corridor crew.. crew will use the technique now

[smoky frigate]

shocking how good they were once

[fair gull]

i bet AI will replace sodium vapor at some point if theyd take enough footage of it and the raws and feed it into an AI model

and then blue/greenscreen have the same results or close to it

[raw zephyr]

Looking to buy another pair of Porta Pros, they come in green? lmao

and they are on sale too

Ooh it's limited to different retailers in Czech

[sharp badger]

Never really liked on-ear headphones 😅

[raw zephyr]

Unbeatable comfort for me, I have problems with IEMs or earbuds in general.. :/

[sharp badger]

I see

[frozen ingot]

I had a few pairs of those decades ago

[latent mural]

i love there videos they are not that good at cgi but they know what they are talking about

[fair gull]

i think they are good at cgi but often dont have all the time in the world to make the best cgi possible for some yt clicks

[pale sigil]

Love these headphones but hate the noise leak

[latent mural]

i made it in 25 minutes it was challenge at my work

and it was winter get a free coffee

[fair gull]

thats not cgi

in the sense that they use it

not to mention your image (even if you crop it) looks literally just like a game and not real

[latent mural]

is not all lights have u see have fire and smoke on them

make only one of building in 25 minutes then come talk about cgi

[pale sigil]

It's not CGI because it's an environment I think he's saying.

Unreal engine uses a virtual camera

Or something idk

[fair gull]

i mean ill highly doubt you modelled all of those assets in 25minutes

[open steppe]

TBF every single model will look like a game untill you properly render it with path tracing

[fair gull]

imaging software

uses unreal engine

[latent mural]

finally a smart one

[latent mural]

all movies are using unreal engine

[fair gull]

what

i would really love to see the source on that one

[open steppe]

I wouldn't say ALL movies, but UE is used in movie CGI

[fair gull]

heck id even take a percentage

[latent mural]

yep

[fair gull]

cause i am almost certain its a minimal percentage

[latent mural]

fam plz don’t talk with knowing anything plz fam

[fair gull]

also wanna see that 25minute video of you modelling all of those. since you claimed i cant model even 1 of those houses in 25minutes i assume you modelled everything in the scene in 25minutes and then made textures for them

[latent mural]

u cant u don’t have talent u will never have it

[fair gull]

so you dont want to show me the video because you cant do it either.

got it

[latent mural]

i can

[ashen spindle]

oh thats easy in 25 minutes

get some ai generated mesh and put fog around it in unreal

[open steppe]

Mandalorian (quite a decently sized TV series) uses UE for example

[fair gull]

nono mans talked about modelled not ai generated

[latent mural]

ai meshes dose it exist

[ashen spindle]

but yeah unreal and unity are used quite a lot in films these days

[fair gull]

didnt they use volumetric sets and just some light vfx

aka most of the things are happening in camera and real set pieces

[ashen spindle]

did you typo

[open steppe]

What do you think a volumetric set is? It's literally a green screen with different depths

Content has to be generated somewhere to go onto that greenscreen

[latent mural]

disney it’s adding splash engine to unreal to make all there movies and animation inside unreal

[fair gull]

a volumetric set isnt green though you should literally see the background on the walls

[latent mural]

what walls u neeed to use big screen not projectors to show it in walls

[latent mural]

they are tv not walls u low iq

learn how light works

[open steppe]

It's a metaphor, it's a display, it acts just like a green screen

You need content

to put into the display

lol

otherwise it's a black wall, yes?

[fair gull]

its not a greenscreen

thats factually wrong

[ashen spindle]

you should learn how to hold a conversation and not be rude first

[open steppe]

Do you know what a metaphor is?

[fair gull]

yes

and saying greenscreen to a tv/light wall isnt a metaphor

[open steppe]

Okay, when I say "it's a metaphor, it's LIKE they're greenscreens" do you understand that?

The point is you need CONTENT for them

[fair gull]

yes but that is like almost nothing compared to whats still actual set pieces

[open steppe]

whether it's a proper green screen or a display spanning the entire wall

[fair gull]

or more traditional cgi

[latent mural]

im not talking about to him anymore talking to him its same like saying to my father that earth its not flat

[open steppe]

Can you rephrase that? I didn't get it

[rough osprey]

can i be a pro now?

[ashen spindle]

you know if you think someone is wrong it usually helps if you say more than just "you are wrong"

[fair gull]

as in they dont use greenscreens or bluescreens but volumetric sets so they dont have 200hrs of chroma key work on 1 scene

[latent mural]

the dude reading in reddit and eating click bait in youtube

[open steppe]

Yes for sure but the content needed is the exact same

It being a display instead of being a green screen doesn't change what you make to display in it

Obviously it has BIG pros

[fair gull]

im not even sure if you could chroma key in unity/unreal

thats usually something vfx software would do

or dedicated keying hardware

[ashen spindle]

pot kettle black?

[open steppe]

You don't chroma key in unreal, you create the content in Unreal and chroma key it in video production

But you can also do camera tracking in Unreal for example

[latent mural]

u don’t need to chrome key anything

[ashen spindle]

https://www.unrealengine.com/es-ES/tech-blog/setting-up-a-chroma-key-material-in-ue4 2017

[fair gull]

this was if it was a greenscreen not volumetric

[fair gull]

im aware but i was more relating it to if you dont shoot on a volumetric set

at that point its prob easier to just stay in blender where you make the (most likely) highly custom models and then just work that into whatever vfx/video software is used

[latent mural]

wait u are saying that it’s fake 😂😂😂😂 same dude that leaked 4090 specs 1 years before

[open steppe]

The same would apply, you don't actually chroma in unreal, you create content in unreal and then with your movie editing software suite of choice you impose the UE content INTO the green scren

[ashen spindle]

how long are you watching his fake leaks lol

mlid has like less than 50% accuracy so he just guesses

[fair gull]

and what im saying is they wouldnt create the content in unreal at that point as they can then just stay in modelling software and never touch unreal

[latent mural]

well see u in november wen 4090 and 4080 get shown in public

[ashen spindle]

wait I already have a 4090, am I nvidia??

[fair gull]

i can see why unreal would be used for volumetric sets to have quick capabilities of modifying a scene by basically anyone

[open steppe]

That is the case only if your scenery is completely static 3d models, which would make a very boring and shit set lol

[fair gull]

but it just doesnt make sense to me to make models in blender or such... export them to unreal and then composite when you could build the cg scene in the modelling software as well

[open steppe]

There will almost always be a physics and rendering engine inbetween, won't necessarly be Unreal, but it will be there

[fair gull]

and blender etc can easily animate as well as unity/unreal

[open steppe]

They can't

[fair gull]

what ofc they can

[open steppe]

There's a reason physics engines exist dude

[fair gull]

yes and blender also has physics plugins

the same for realistic smoke etc

[latent mural]

you talking about unreal its like me talking for how to make a keyboard

[open steppe]

Blender allows you to do very basic animations and rigging, that's not a substitute for a proper engine

[fair gull]

https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/latest/physics/index.html

they have all youd need to animate physics

including gravity

so idk how blender is "just basic" animation and rigging

[latent mural]

blender doesn’t do it in real time like unreal engine dose we can use vdbs in unreal real time render 60+ fps

[fair gull]

ok but what we are currently talking about is a greenscreened recording and then compositing after the fact

you dont need realtime renders at that point

youd have all the time in the world to just composite the cgi, render it out and then do any masking/key etc

as i also already said i can see why youd use it for the volumetric background as it allows for quicker eidting

or changes in general

[latent mural]

@fair gull im done with you bye u don’t know anything u are just japing

bock u are 🚩🚩🚩🚩

[fair gull]

wise decision to block mods. cant imagine how that can lead to any issues in the future

[open steppe]

There's a lot of knowledge to be had to understand the difference between basic animation and in-depth VFX artistry, but in general, think of it this way:

If Blender was a solid enough solution, why do products like Houdini exist?

Houdini is the de-facto movie production physics simulation and VFX engine, you have 100% seen a movie that has used Hudini in its production

This is not a proper answer

[fair gull]

but yeah just my 2 cents of having worked with unity, unreal, blender, after effect, premiere and vegas that i see no point in using unreal when the shoot is done and youre in pure ideo editing land

isnt houdini like procedural 3d

[open steppe]

But having a proper answer is very hard in this context, VFX is in itself a very deep subject, there's literally VFX unis

[fair gull]

i dabbled in it once but found no personal use for it

[latent mural]

fam dont waste your time on him must be high or something wrong with his life

[open steppe]

It does prodecural 3d, just like it does fire and smoke simulation, liquid simulation, physics simulation etc etc

It's a very efficient VFX and Physics engine

[ashen spindle]

I agree that Tonys own experience is a bit outdated on how its used in the industry but if you just reply with "youre wrong I know better" you aren't making a good point

[fair gull]

like from my quick dabble all that it did different to blender/maya is well 3d models being able to procedurally generate better

[fair gull]

id also highly recommend not insulting people directly or claiming "there's something wrong with their life" over a simple debate. just warning you preemptively

[open steppe]

Have you ever seen the behind the scenes by Houdini for Frozen 2?

[fair gull]

nope

[open steppe]

fuck I sent it timestamped

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK3h-0ljnIY

Can you do all of those things with 60 plugins on blender and a lot more work? Probably so

Would any serious industry in film approve of that? Never

Unreal Engine is the middle ground

[fair gull]

i mean what they did in houdini basically is exactly what i feel makes sense postprod or fully animated

but yes for how detailed those simulations themselves are it might be easier to do in houdini idk if those are custom plugins or not

[latent mural]

i love houdini learning it made me motivation to not end my life when i was 17

[open steppe]

GCI is just easier most of the time

[pale sigil]

It's pretty cool how Disney use unreal engine for the mandorian etc

[open steppe]

Yeah Disney is full bore on UE

Rogue One was also on UE

[latent mural]

have u seen houdini engine that works with unreal its so cool

[open steppe]

I haven't, I've been very busy with finding a job LOL

[latent mural]

i hope u find a job

[open steppe]

Thanks! I probably already did, I'm waiting for the contract to be ready so I can sign!

[fair gull]

so is there any behind the scenes of UE in post production?

[open steppe]

I believe there's some for Mandalorian but don't quote me on that

https://youtu.be/gUnxzVOs3rk

here

[fair gull]

i mean i have seen mandalorian UE but only for the volumetric spaces and even then i noticed the background got replaced later given i remember the background different in the actual show

[open steppe]

You can very clearly see the Unreal Engine window at some point

[latent mural]

https://youtu.be/ayUuApKuaz8?si=s03lurhU9Z7-hPyk

[open steppe]

They talk about UE applications in Mandalorian in that video

They started as just rendering the env

but then realized they might aswell

[fair gull]

oh yeah thats the one i saw but it basically only shows the volumetric space being served via UE

[open steppe]

Yeah as for seeing behind the scenes I don't think there's much around, but they do TALK about what they do in UE in that video

To be completely clear, I'm not sure UE is the future of VFX

I think more specialized solutions will almost always be better

but it is used and it's cheap

[latent mural]

ue its the feature

[fair gull]

i honestly thing a heavily AI powered solution will be used in the future for background replacements and such so that masking and keying will basically be a thing of yesteryear

[open steppe]

That actually looks very good

[fair gull]

especially since i saw clips of AI powered masking already where you can just draw roughly inside the object you wanna mask and the AI auto detects the edges and whats part of the object etc

[latent mural]

u can make stuff in houdini and import it to unreal for real time render its so cool and cheap

[fair gull]

really fancy tech

[latent mural]

btw u can do it real time without path tracing

[fair gull]

stuff like this

where you literally just go this is what i want to remain and some large AI model does a huge chunk of the work

[open steppe]

That's Davinci Resolve

[latent mural]

due the final version u have to use path tracing that takes time

[fair gull]

ye but i think that those AI solutions will be the future

where a lot of work will be done completely automated including model generation, scene generation and animation data

[latent mural]

u dont need to use green screen in unreal due u use 3d models replicated and u just cut on top of real video

due to get real good motion blure

[fair gull]

i honestly think AI will not just be the future for VFX/CGI and video editing but also a lot of other jobs

game design, story telling, programming, market analysis

itll take of a lot of work and then leave the finer details to humans

[open steppe]

Hopefully so, as a Computer Engineer that's my bag LOL

[latent mural]

i love ai due it will replace discord mods

[latent mural]

ai its just making ur jobs easier

[open steppe]

It is, but tbf it also made my only possible study path into Machine Learning

Like quite literally, my only masters option is Machine Learning

[latent mural]

yepb

[fair gull]

i wish i had the time to deep dive in ML

[open steppe]

Oh trust me you don't

It's just matrix math over and over again

xd

It's not as interesting as it seems from outside

[fair gull]

yeah but the power of data in, workload out is incredible

[open steppe]

Yeah for sure, as an end user it's super cool

as somebody that works to make it happen, not so much

[fair gull]

i only ever trained smaller models trained on a handful of GB of data mainly images and a few models with a few hundred MBs of text but i would have loved to spin it further into a fully fledged AI bot for our discord

would be the perfect place as we got a lot of repeating questions

[open steppe]

And it's also very fucking annoying that traditional university courses don't exist anymore, I can't be arsed to get a master in ML

[fair gull]

never went to uni i wouldnt know ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[open steppe]

That's still technically an end user, if you go for an ML master you won't almost ever use a pre-existing model

[ashen spindle]

that sounds like a very narrow path if all they offer is ML for computer science there

[open steppe]

It's for Computer Engineering specifically

Computer Science is a lot wider

[ashen spindle]

ahhh the cursed subsection, yeah fair enough then

[fair gull]

mainly used tensorflow idk if that in the background uses preexisting models or not

i did like being able to fine tune the results although i hated how long training takes

[open steppe]

Tensorflow is basically a framework for model creation (very very very basic explaination)

You'd use tensorflow quite a lot in uni studies

[fair gull]

well i none the less never got far into it

[open steppe]

It does have its benefits tho especially in EU

[open steppe]

The Engineering title is fucking stonks

[ashen spindle]

oh I'm aware but I rather keep being a programmer who can just read into hardware design rather than having to actually deal with that lol

[latent mural]

its not easy

[open steppe]

Tell me about it, I'm 5 years into my 3 year degree LMAO

But TBF, so are a good majority of my class

[fair gull]

i mean i do have a hot take on education and especially higher degrees but maybe smth for a discussion in the future

[open steppe]

Based, I would lie if I said I didn't consider doing just that multiple times in my life

[latent mural]

cool it will be worth it learnd 3d modelling and shader’s from youtube due i was to poor for school

[open steppe]

I feel you, I was only able to afford studies because of state funding and dynamic pricing based on salary

[latent mural]

cool that they helped

[ashen spindle]

no, you will make the weird LLVM optimizations and also make a bigger cpu frontend to exectue faster without latency penalty, preferably both at the same time so my bad code runs faster, thanks

[fair gull]

wait my bad code can run faster

gib

[open steppe]

Na-ah, I will go be useless in a lab waiting for a random ass ML model to train for the next 365 hours while I jerk off

That's the real deal Pog

(I'm obviously kidding, I respect ML students... somewhat)

[latent mural]

i love when u have to render or train something for 200+ hours and it will not crash

[open steppe]

I don't

xd

I fucking hate the wait times

[latent mural]

yep they need to be gone

[ashen spindle]

no we need wait times

[latent mural]

when i see youtubers and tiktok kids saying 4090 its overpowerd im saying is it

[open steppe]

Yeah, this used to be true in the past, now compiling is way too fast, which is why humankind invented ML training LMAO

[fair gull]

thats why i exclusively work on pentium D processors

for that extra fast compile time

[latent mural]

fam u use amd or intel cpu

[fair gull]

oh noe

[open steppe]

I'm on a 5800X3D (AMD), but was forced into Nvidia GPU (3070) because of CUDA

CUDA is pretty much a strict requirement in Computer Engineering

[latent mural]

@open steppe same i got 3060ti and 4070 due to cuda cores to render in vray

[fair gull]

always wanted to try AMD MI cards for AI

[open steppe]

It's basically like they don't exist

[ashen spindle]

well you arent going to buy a m300 for personaly use but you can rent dev time on one

[open steppe]

I've been collaborating with a PhD friend for his project, needed a new lab server, AMD was not an option

They literally don't even consider it

[fair gull]

id imagine most AI tooling is built around tensor cores

[ashen spindle]

not the small labs but the big installments are considering them heavily atm

[latent mural]

is it good for 300 euros

[open steppe]

Oh yeah for sure, if we're talking big boy stuff, then yeah

But for A6000 grade shit

AMD doens't have an offering

it's non-existant

[ashen spindle]

if you dont go super low level and you just use pytorch or something that just runs on anything

[fair gull]

hm

[latent mural]

nah rtx a6000 ada its a beast gpu if u can get the 80gb version

[ashen spindle]

yeah its not a big market but it hurts amd, not in missed sales but in talent that uses just cuda for a long time after

[fair gull]

i mean i heard talks about 1 mi300x costing like 16grand

which ngl i did consider paying to try it

[open steppe]

Yeah I agree, shit in this context was like "stuff", as in "but for a6000 grade stuff, AMD has no competition"

[latent mural]

4 rtx 6000 ada i love the power they have

[open steppe]

Yes exactly, when researchers have only CUDA as training options, research WILL be based on CUDA

[ashen spindle]

you arent going to get anything but rack solutions with 4 or 8 of them in one blade as normal consumer lol

[fair gull]

ah ok

yeah that sucks then

[fair gull]

my issue with renting dev time is you basically pay for every fail you make when writing whatever program you wanna run

and a blade server at that

[open steppe]

That's why you have production and testing environments

[ashen spindle]

you can use older Mi60 and such but they are much weaker

[open steppe]

You run your shit on a different envirnoment untill it passes all the tests, then ship to production

[ashen spindle]

and current rocm development is mostly focused on mi250 and newer

[fair gull]

im aware of the concept just id need some amd instinct accelerator to try on

[ashen spindle]

mi50- and mi60 are cheap on ebay sometimes though to play with

[latent mural]

@open steppe im sure u will have had fun on this pc 4 a6000

[open steppe]

@ashen spindle are you familiar with ZLUDA? has it made any significant process since the release a couple of months ago?

[fair gull]

oh yeah only around 300bucks for the 16gb version

[open steppe]

progress*

[ashen spindle]

zluda had to be canned because nvidias tos changes

[open steppe]

No shot

[halcyon moss]

That's so anti competitive..

[open steppe]

Damn

[ashen spindle]

I can tell you more later in like 3 hours after raid

[fair gull]

hm if only i would have known like 2 years ago

when i still was interested in ML

[open steppe]

Damn, ZLUDA being a thing was making me hopeful for more competition in the entry level CUDA market, now we're backed to being doomed xd

[fair gull]

didnt even hear about it being canned

[open steppe]

TBF my understanding is ZLUDA was made by reverse-engineering CUDA which is a legal grayzone

[fair gull]

i thought they still pushed stuff this month to the source

[open steppe]

It being a wrapper for CUDA itself is a legal grayzone I believe

[open steppe]

There seem to be some (very little) activity this week even

But I did hear Nvidia changed its TOS, just didn't know ZLUDA died because of it

[fair gull]

would be sad if it truly did die

i love when stuff gets ported to "incompatible" hardware

reminds me of .net on win95

[open steppe]

Take your time and good luck with the raid! (what game?)

[fair gull]

final fantasy 14 id guess

given thats what quin mostly plays and raids in

the bane of any coder... cute cat girls

[open steppe]

oh I see, I know next to nothing about that game

[fair gull]

its pretty good as an mmo once you slog through the base game

mainly due to things like crossworld play, cross data center play, 1 char can be all classes, realtime playermarkets, housing systems, guild housing, and most of all very very fun raid mechanics

like doing maths in a raid

[ashen spindle]

yeah ff14, latest ultimate raid which is the hardest content in the game, single bosst fight with 6 phases and takes like 18 minutes entirely

we're at like 11minutes in at the furthest

so 8 minutes till the end with one minute of transition cutscene in it

[sharp badger]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Western-Digital-s-368-TB-SSD-weighs-28-to-33-pounds-and-is-portable.826532.0.html

[smoky frigate]

that looks like one of these early consumer cameras where you had to carry an entire briefcase with a tape teck in it

holy fuck dood

[cursive summit]

That's pretty cool tbf

[smoky frigate]

you know it's serious shit when it comes with serial and VGA

[cursive summit]

A lot of shit in business sector I heard uses ancient coding languages, like PERL or whatever

Seems useful to have VGA and old display ins/outs

[vagrant pagoda]

VGA is still the standard for kvms

[cursive summit]

No love for DVI?

[vagrant pagoda]

No need for hand shake

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/naX-DnKekCM

[whole axle]

Damn they all bad 💀

[ashen spindle]

this is what what they ADDED because of zluda

so it was totally fine before and not just amd but also intel sponsored it

so the plan was probably to have that as a backup but then rocm matured enough and als this part made it legally tricky

[open steppe]

EULA isn't retroactive tho, which means the existing ZLUDA is fine, the future updates can't be based on CUDA output

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah its fine and non comercial is fine too

but amd could never make that an official thing going forward then

[open steppe]

Mhh, I'm not sure about that

[ashen spindle]

and only supporting outdated cuda versions would be pointless too

[open steppe]

I don't think you necessarly need CUDA output to refine ZLUDA now that it's at a working baseline

Don't know enough of the inner workings, but I'd say it shouldn't be impossible

[open steppe]

That I agree with

[smoky frigate]

since when can clean-room reverse engineering clauses in EULAS be enforced in court

[analog sinew]

does it matter if they just put it there and threaten

[smoky frigate]

usually not, if anything that tells you what they're afraid of lol

[ashen spindle]

you arent going to get meta or any other similar massive hyperscaler to commit to your platform if you say "well you can get good software using this, but it is against TOS so if you get unlucky your entire investment has no point"

doesnt matter if you get a 90% chance to win in court

[smoky frigate]

will be interesting to see that. I heard AMD ROCm stuff was pants to use anyway

[ashen spindle]

it was always fine for HPC since that was their main target pre ai boom

and with rocm 6.x it seems that works a lot better

consumer grade still trailing

but for the big ones, meta said mi300 was the fastest they ever got new stuff to run and fully useable, you dont have that if the environement is still pain to use

rdna4 should be hopefully the first useable step for consumer aside form the current joke of an attempt

but they already started code commits to enable Navi48 in rocm and for rdna3 that started way after launch lol

[earnest glacier]

okay thanks ill get the 240hz one and new gear

[earnest glacier]

aleight thanks bro

[fickle ore]

one minute of wasted time on every try? 💀

[ashen spindle]

nah its one minute transition between phase5 and phase6 so the last phase

so once you get to that point you almost did it

so after 90% prog you start seeing that

[fickle ore]

Must be infuriating when you're close to beating it

fking elden ring cutscenes already kill me

[ashen spindle]

no its a break because you get a break from 14 minutes of stress lol

[fickle ore]

Ah true

[dark iris]

as i was saying, the 5800x3d is so close in performance to the 7800x3d that the 4090 hardly benefits in edge case scenarios when testers were trying to find just how many fps it can push

[blissful imp]

true.

[vagrant fog]

Oh yes 100%, I just did it for AM5 and a microcenter bundle 🤣

[dark iris]

unless the 9800x3d does some magic that and the 5090 has some massive gains over the 4090 i doubt am5 will be worth it even foe enthusiats

[latent mural]

whats a good mouse bungee

[fierce terrace]

i dont think its even close brother...

[vagrant fog]

I think we can expect the 9000 series from AMD to be at least 30% faster, look at the performance difference between each equivalant chip from each generation

[dark iris]

theyre close enough that the 4090 gains not even 50 fps in scenarios where it already getting close to 500

[dark iris]

ive upgraded each generation so far except for am5

[blissful imp]

high fidelity games with lower fps count wouldn't gain meaningful fps... already high fps game wouldn't matter to me with 165 hz monitor

[fierce terrace]

you do not only got benefits for your 4090 tho 5800x3d is not even close to 10% in benchmarks

[dark iris]

as a gamer i dont care

my pc is used for gaming and gaming only. i dont care about any other scenario

[fierce terrace]

games use processor too

[vagrant fog]

same here, and youtube sometimes.

[fierce terrace]

7800x3d is top tier for gaming rn and 5800 is not even close thats all

[vagrant fog]

Depends on the game and settings tbh, 7800X3D and 3080 could beat a 5600X and 4090 in some games..

[dark iris]

yeah, and the biggest thing the 5800x3d did over the 5800x was the .1% lows

[vagrant fog]

cache really helps

[dark iris]

i dont care to get another 100 fps when i already get like 700 in valorant

[fierce terrace]

yea 7800x3d basically tops all other cpus rn on the market

[dark iris]

i woudlnt care if i got 10000 fps

[fierce terrace]

add ddr5 rams to it

[vagrant fog]

I'd care, because then I'd be gaming on a Nasa space station.

[dark iris]

im not disagreeing with what youre saying

but that extra performance is useless in my eyes

[vagrant fog]

Same, but I agree with you.

[blissful imp]

It's just not worth putting another several hundred

[fierce terrace]

but im clearing the fact that 5800 is not even close to 7800 brother

[dark iris]

the single biggest benefit i got was stable lows

and the 7800x3d didnt really make massive gains there

[fierce terrace]

probably depends on the game too

[blissful imp]

difference in 4K is mostly minimal

[fierce terrace]

anyways i went with am5 to get ddr5's and future upgrade route

[dark iris]

the top end performance gains meant far more when they were still within reach of monitors

but now were out here getting almost double the fps that most monitors can do

and still getting more then the best monitors can do

[blissful imp]

in 4K, it's mostly GPU bound, so fps gains is minimal, and game that already goes past 165, I can't utilize because of monitor

[dark iris]

exactly my point

no one with a 4090 is gonna game at 480p just to get over 1000 fps

[blissful imp]

and im too old to benefit from having 1000fps on CS2 on literal ms delay benefit

if i am on like actual 1080p competitive cs2, I would actually consider change it

[dark iris]

same here

[blissful imp]

but in my use case, it actually have negligible difference

[fickle ore]

no but minecraft gfx is valid way to lower input lag

720p/1080p where it at

[dark iris]

the skill ceiling is so far above me that id run into many many barriers before the fps i can push became an issue

[blissful imp]

i played MC during early beta days

[fickle ore]

That's unfortunate. I'm at the pinnacle, always.-

[blissful imp]

I did claim bedrock copy, but isn't most things done in java anyway?

[fierce terrace]

they made bedrock and almost everyone play on java anyways

i do remember jeb promised modding api

[fickle ore]

minecraft gfx just means super low graphics in competitive mode

Like render scale < 80 % and lowest settings etc

[blissful imp]

does java have HDR mod?

I remember at least trying HDR on bedrock edition just to try it out

oh no it was not HDR, it was RT

nvidia made big deal out of RT on MC

[reef patrol]

Too bad the game isn't quite ready to run with it in outside of premade maps with very specific layouts.

[vagrant fog]

Nvidia HDR?

[fierce terrace]

i think there are shaders that got rt can be wrong

[vagrant fog]

correct

[dark iris]

miecraft java has some rtx mods

theyre nice

[reef patrol]

nvidium is a very cool mod though, speaking of nVidia.

[steep creek]

i wanted to ask if there are anyone using a powered usb hub with your wooting, could you let me know which one it is? i am looking to buy one but a little unsure which to go for

[ashen spindle]

some ugreen one

[steep creek]

will check it out thank you

[ashen spindle]

kb and mouse and works just fine, just make sure its usb3

[umbral heron]

I do, Unitek Y-3184

[steep creek]

yeap will take note

thanks cals

[umbral heron]

Works nicely with 2he, 2 uwus, mouse and mic plugged in

[steep creek]

that sounds nice, i will be running 2 boards and just a mouse so should be good

[latent mural]

https://youtu.be/cxMe2sE5nmI?si=q24_Jcd8ox6rKlv5

[ashen spindle]

oh god first mlid then hair chasers

please anything but that sort of nontent

[latent mural]

i will have send your mom only fans leaks but she its ugly

[ashen spindle]

can you have normal conversations too or just act like a child

[unkempt lake]

What do you expect from this place

[unkempt lake]

I think it is a child

[unkempt lake]

MLID is bad with his "leaks" but Frame Chasers is just a meme lol

[ashen spindle]

I mean its the first time I've ever seen FC linked here

[rough patrol]

discord account fresher than the veggies i buy at the market

[unkempt lake]

I can't believe people still pay FC for em to overclock their systems for em

Dude charges hundreds of $ to oc people's pcs via discord lol

[ashen spindle]

yeah he's a good grifter

[unkempt lake]

With absolutely god awful settings

[unkempt lake]

Professional settings changer you mean

🧠

https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/s/JcvZHl4zqN

[steep creek]

nintendo v apple

[sweet cairn]

Two absolute dick heads going head to head

love to see it

[analog sinew]

oh i would be up for that

[crimson wigeon]

Naughty!

[unkempt lake]

I'm just happy

Rn

[crimson wigeon]

FBI open up

[dark iris]

EU my beloved

[unkempt lake]

Owo

[crimson wigeon]

What's this?

[celest hatch]

Man I wish I had Pokémon on my iPhone lol miss my Samsung sometimes

[celest hatch]

Actual factual lol

[unkempt lake]

Just go install the emulator

?

Its literally on the app store

https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/igba-gba-gbc-retro-emulator/id6482993626 @celest hatch

[celest hatch]

Wtf let me go take a look.

[celest hatch]

I must be brain dead, cant find Pokémon

[unkempt lake]

These are homebrews not roms cuz obviously having a link to a rom site would be bad

You store your roms in my files

@celest hatch

[celest hatch]

Ah so I just go grab a ROM from where ever and plug it into the app

[unkempt lake]

Yep

[devout gorge]

Can anyone help me with my wooting 60he when I press my space bar it gets stuck and it won't come back up

[vagrant fog]

Take the spacebar off and try putting it back on, press down the switch manually with it off and observe what happens.

[devout gorge]

It's still stuck

[vagrant fog]

When you press down the switch manually with the spacebar off?

The switch is stuck?

[devout gorge]

No

[vagrant fog]

Check the stabalizers

[devout gorge]

Like how

[vagrant fog]

Take off the spacebar. Then press everything under it like the stablizers down and make sure they aren't getting stuck, make sure they are aligned properly and didn't like get pushed out idk.

maybe ask in general where more people talk or make a community support thread

[severe phoenix]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/rtx-4090s-are-still-melting-two-years-after-launch-gpu-repair-facility-works-on-burned-rtx-4090s-every-single-day

[vagrant fog]

I love the 4090 and all but, 7900 XTX is the goat for not using 12VHPWR, best GPU you can get that won't melt.

[earnest glacier]

who owns a zowie xl2556k and xl2546k ? i wanna know if they are just the same i am buying a new monitor

$400 and $600 idk if getting the more expensive one is worth

is the difference only the 360hz ?

[golden cove]

my 60he keeps switching profiles and pressing random keys on its own, anyone have this issue? reset the kb, changed the cable and no fix

[lofty pivot]

You using a usb hub at all? Try changing the usb port too

Random keys being pressed is almost always a power delivery issue

[golden cove]

plugged right into my mobo, I recently upgraded my mobo and that is when it started happening..don’t know how it could be related though

[lofty pivot]

That’s very odd. Try a different usb port on the mobo

[earnest glacier]

damn bro u might need to buy a new one

[lofty pivot]

Other solution is turn down your rgb and see if it stops (if it stops then you can narrow it down to a power issue being more likely)

[golden cove]

still does it..i’m stumped

[lofty pivot]

Even with rgb brightness turned down?

[golden cove]

yes I turned the rgb all the way down, changed ports and still doing it

[lofty pivot]

sounds like you'll have to contact tech support then

[golden cove]

i emailed them, still under warranty so well see what happens. thanks for your help though

[mild dome]

I wonder if a regulatory body will step in and slap the naughty engineers for 12VHPWR

[cursive summit]

https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/12/24128640/microsoft-windows-11-start-menu-ads-app-recommendations

[cursive summit]

https://vxtwitter.com/ghost_motley/status/1779139491019514353

Good price

XTX is £829 apparently, pretty dang good

[atomic hornet]

It's a bit loud for my taste though, but that could just be me

setting it to the quiet setting or adding a power limit works around that mostly.

[cursive summit]

Which card?

All cards have different fans I imagine, you might have gotten a weird one

And the curve might have been weird

I don't think for a triple fan GPU to run at comfy 60 under load it'd need to ramp up above a 1000 RPM, which is rather quiet

[atomic hornet]

the exact card you just linked.

[cursive summit]

Ah the XFX XT?

[atomic hornet]

yea

[cursive summit]

Are you sure it was loud?

38 dB is perfectly fine

[atomic hornet]

It's still by far the loudest component in my system.

[cursive summit]

My bad, that's the XTX model, shit bing gave bad results

But I think they are comparable

[cursive summit]

Well I imagine it should be

But maybe you are hypersensitive to sound?

[atomic hornet]

Results in rpm are roughly comparable to the max power bios, so the power limit is realy just an imbetween.
roughly 1900rpm at the 290w bios

[lyric hatch]

Might just have to get that noctua edition gpu

[cursive summit]

Noctua fans look so dang ugly though

[analog sinew]

no they look funni

[cursive summit]

Ugly

[analog sinew]

no worse than unicorn puke pc

they almost have a satire factor

[atomic hornet]

I kind of like them but the problem is getting a matching system

[analog sinew]

people buy ther CORSAIR ICUEM HYPERDANSGAME LUMI 3000

rgb fans

[lyric hatch]

I stopped caring about my how my case internals looked like a while ago now, healthy for the bank account that way

[analog sinew]

and you go "shit brown thats it "

[atomic hornet]

Then again I am not someone who cares about asthetics too much.

[lyric hatch]

Don't plan on even being able to see my internals with my next case

My rgb years are over

[analog sinew]

neither do i

next pc will be another black box

[cursive summit]

RGB is utterly useless lol

[analog sinew]

prolly some cool fractal case

i like the north, lets see what they cook by then

[lyric hatch]

Actually I don't think those lights in that case above were even rgb I think they were red only

Pre-rgb everything

[cursive summit]

Fractal North looks cool but it gives me the "why am I spending money on something that costs more cause they meant for the thing to look cool from the front, when I'm never going to see the front", feeling

Cause my rig is on the ground under the table

Don't ever see it

[zenith rune]

I have the Fractal Meshify 2 XL and Im and advocate, for this case at least. Heard good things about fractal and all I heard reinforced itself with this.

[cursive summit]

Meshify is great

I hope tempered glass gets completely obsoleted by mesh

There's nothing good about tempered glass

Mesh is great for thermals

[steep creek]

ive had a black box for years, i love it

[cursive summit]

Might look into meshify nano, very great looking ITX case

Fractal does a lot of ITX cases yet a lot of them either nobody's ever heard of, or they are very mid

Like Terra, extremely popular for whatever reason, yet it's really not that good

[zenith rune]

Do you air and water cool your CPU Vex?

[cursive summit]

Air only

Water is better for ITX cause of size savings, but I'm not bothering to maintain an AIO

[zenith rune]

Gaming Nexus rate the Fractal Torrent as the best aircooled case out of all of them

[cursive summit]

Gamer's Nexus, you mean

Torrent is great, I don't like how it looks

[zenith rune]

tes

[cursive summit]

Meshify is more type

[zenith rune]

yes*

[cursive summit]

Whatever is meshy

Ssupd Meshlicious is also a great case

[zenith rune]

I dont mind how the Torrent looks, if I had air and not water cooled I would have gone with that case purely for the results it gives. And I trust GamersNexus, great company.

[cursive summit]

I don't like the pretentiousness of North and I don't like the look of Torrent

A good performing "normal" case like Meshify is great

[zenith rune]

Yeah lol, North looks proper pretentious.

I dont think North has better cooling than meshify though does it?

And it cost more from what I remember

[cursive summit]

No way North performs better than Meshify

North and Terra are "looks" cases

Terra isn't even a good case lel

Bad design on the grills so they make a loud annoying noise

I prefer performance

[analog sinew]

from gn

[cursive summit]

Doesn't make any sense

North with glass performs the same as north with mesh?

Mesh is objectively a far better material for heat dissipation, unlike glass which contains heat, mesh at least you know, allows for it to escape?

[analog sinew]

🤷‍♂️

maybe the exhaust fans pull out enough air to where it no longer matters

[cursive summit]

Well tbf it's CPU temperature

Other components like SSD temps, GPU temps would be interesting

[dark iris]

I got a meshify s2. Amazing case, but GN tests clearly show that the north can have amazing performance

If you really want all out air cooling performance get a test bench

[analog sinew]

or just put the bare pieces on the desk

nah I'll get the north or sth similar, I just like the design too much

[dark iris]

The torrent is also really good for airflow

[sharp badger]

https://lian-li.com/product/dk-05f/ Or build your PC inside a desk

[cursive summit]

Bet that costs a grand or two

[dark iris]

My stepdad has one

[sharp badger]

Yup

[cursive summit]

Oh it's literally a grand and a half

[dark iris]

It's absolutely not worth even half the money it costs

[cursive summit]

Lel a decent adjustable desk is like 200-300

[dark iris]

It's a rather shit standing desk, and the glass is too heavy to lift alone

[cursive summit]

Why would you want to put something inside of it

[dark iris]

If you got money to burn get a flexispot

[dark iris]

It's for idiot's with more money then brains

Like my stepdad who is firmly convinced that undervolting can damage his CPU

[cursive summit]

Doubt it can

I mean, any differentiations in voltage out of spec to a product that's meant to function at a specific voltage would potentially damage something

[dark iris]

Yeah. When it's too much

[ashen spindle]

it cant damage it it can only cause crashes if its too low

[cursive summit]

Though unless you are doing a dangerous manual undervolt, an automatic one is fine I think

[dark iris]

Undervolting can't ever damage anything besides your windows install

And that's not real damage because you can just reinstall

[ashen spindle]

technically crashes and damage any open software not just the OS but yeah the hardware is fine

[dark iris]

Software damage isn't real tho

[ashen spindle]

best analogy is like you are limiting how much water can flow through a pipe

so less water isnt going to break it

[dark iris]

It's somewhere between being a wire and a pipe

[pale sigil]

I would say it's more for people who don't want to do it themselves

I think it's a cool idea personally because you can have a clean setup.

I would love one myself so I can avoid wires and my tower

[ashen spindle]

yeah have fun dealing with issues that require touching the hardware

[dark iris]

The amount of effort involved in building a desk setup like that is insane

He's over 25 grand in

[ashen spindle]

need to reset cmos? enjoy tearing down the entire desk

[pale sigil]

Does it not have access?

[dark iris]

It's also all custom hardline cooled

[dark iris]

Taking the top glass off

[pale sigil]

Tbh I've only seen custom built ones.

[pale sigil]

Ah rip

[dark iris]

And that glass is thick and heavy

[pale sigil]

I've seen custom ones that account for this

[ashen spindle]

I mean even the best options for access mean you need to remove anything above it for some things

[pale sigil]

Easy

[dark iris]

Ideally you'd be able to slide the entire build out on a tray

[pale sigil]

Judr pay someone to do that too.

[dark iris]

And account for the front panel connectors with pogo pins

[ashen spindle]

so its back to being for people with more money than brains? 😛

[pale sigil]

Ye I've seen this, the front pops open and you can slide it open.

[dark iris]

If you want something nice you'll have to make it yourself/hire someone to do it for you

Big mainstream brands just don't have the ability to do these things because they lose oversight once they grow to a certain size

[pale sigil]

Hence my point is this is for people that don't want to.

[dark iris]

This is for people who can afford to hire others to build their PC

And those people usually have no clue how computers work

[pale sigil]

Maybe

Personally id rather just pay for @digital cliff to fly over and make me one

[dark iris]

Nothing against people who have money, but it's no measure of intelligence

[ashen spindle]

I still dont see any option to make it that would not be a pain to deal with when you need to replace things

[dark iris]

And in my experience quite often a measure of the lack of intelligence

[ashen spindle]

unless its like hanging beneatch and you can slide it out or something weird like that

[pale sigil]

Tbh I don't even want to do custom loops in general

[dark iris]

The product was designed to look nice on stage

[pale sigil]

Seems like a lot of work for smaller gains

[dark iris]

It looks good in magazine articles and on reviewers shows like LTT where they can edit out all the less pleasant parts of ownership and ignore the really important aspect of long term usability

[dark iris]

Oh, it absolutely is, but it's a hobby

Much like extreme overclocking

Tho a big part of it is that you can cook your parts so effectively that you don't need to have your fans running that fast

Like with the Mora 420 external rad

Being able to run effectively 5x the surface area of a normal 360 rad with a bunch of pressure optimized fans you can let them go to near 0 RPM, and that silence is worth paying for for some people

However with that lianli desk you really are just paying for the convenience of a complete package

[silver ore]

i have one question

are these specs good for my new pc

[ashen spindle]

new pc as you are getting it or are you buying it as a brand new pc from a store

it will do well but that cpu got released in 2018 so if that's like sold as brand new it's not really new

[analog sinew]

it's pretty last gen yeah but if it fits your budget

[reef patrol]

Looks like a used PC sales post given how random the parts are. Three different monitors alone is... yeah 😄

Definitely don't overpay on it.

[analog sinew]

three? the last two seem to be the same

[silver ore]

it was like 300 dollar i think

[dark iris]

Nah, no way it's that cheap

[analog sinew]

naah

that is fake then

[dark iris]

Unless someone's mom is selling the pc

[analog sinew]

yup

[tidal wing]

what 300? there must be something wrong
did the owner quick sell it, because he otherwise would have thrown it away or what

[silver ore]

it used to be like 500 dollars

[dark iris]

I'd say 3000 for the whole setup seems reasonable

But not 300

[ashen spindle]

are we including the monitors and all or just the pc

[silver ore]

pc

[analog sinew]

that gpu alone runs like 700$

new that is

but still

[ashen spindle]

even used you are paying like 2-300 for the cpu alone and more for the gpu

[tidal wing]

in my country GPU + CPU would've been ez 800€
everything combined is like 1200€ in used parts prices

[silver ore]

the pc looks like this

[ashen spindle]

I mean the pc if its real for those specs is a steal

is it some website listing or a friend selling it to you

because if thats some random listing that does seem like a scam

[pale sigil]

Bruh

Totally a scam

[ashen spindle]

that does not look like the aorus 3080

[pale sigil]

I was about to say

[ashen spindle]

wait the listing says asus 3080

[analog sinew]

it says asus 3080

[ashen spindle]

this is not an asus at all

[analog sinew]

but it's gigabyte

[balmy vector]

lmaoo

[analog sinew]

either someone has no clue or it's fake

[ashen spindle]

the ram is also a different name

[tidal wing]

it must be someone who knows the tech inside
who photographs a PC that is on in their living room table to showcase it? it can't be someones mom

[analog sinew]

that ssd is also not samsung

[pale sigil]

See if they will accept PayPal

[ashen spindle]

tuf gaming vs hyperx

[analog sinew]

yeah nah that shit is fake

[reef patrol]

Also not the right case.

[tidal wing]

valueing this at 300$ is outrageously screaming SCAM

[ashen spindle]

I mean he still didnt answer if thats a listing or if the has it already or what exactly is the situation

[pale sigil]

https://www.jawa.gg/product/31614/budget-1080p-gaming-beast-oror-ryzen-5-2600-oror-rx-580-oror-16gb-ram-oror-1-tb-nvme-ssd

[silver ore]

i think I got scammed 💀💀💀

[ashen spindle]

bruh just tell us what the situation is, did you pay and are waiting or what

or is that something you want to get and are looking at

[silver ore]

yeah

[analog sinew]

my god

[ashen spindle]

yeah think you got scammed then

[analog sinew]

I mean for 300$ it's.. okay?

[tidal wing]

the PC from the picture vs. the website have different specs

[analog sinew]

not what I'd buy but eh

it is at least a pc

[ashen spindle]

I mean I guess there is the chance it's at least something you can resell for the same price

[tidal wing]

your picture said 3080
on website is Radeon RX 580

[analog sinew]

you might wanna scroll up

[dark iris]

That's not a 3080

[ashen spindle]

yes I think he got it after the first 3 times someone said it doesnt match xD

[tidal wing]

oh sry xD

[pale sigil]

I feel like a hypocrite saying this

But people read the previous convos xd

@silver ore what payment method did you use

[silver ore]

uhhhhhhhh

[pale sigil]

He ain't getting anything.

[silver ore]

uhhhh

[analog sinew]

trying to be optimistic here

[pale sigil]

Don't be

[silver ore]

i forgor

[pale sigil]

Now I'm thinking you're scamming us

Xd

[analog sinew]

shit you're right my credit card is empty

now I will have to pawn off my keyboard just to feed myself

[pale sigil]

There's no way you'd forget how you paid.

If it was a bank transfer you're screwed
If you bought online via a transaction contact your bank to do a charge back (depending what you get)
If you paid with PayPal (even via family and friends) contact then
If you used cashapp then stop handling money all together

But I suspect you might be trolling us.

[silver ore]

nuh uh

my dad paid

idk how he paid

[reef patrol]

Time to tell your dad, that you most likely got scammed - So he can -try- to get the money back.

[pale sigil]

Ah, well, forward what I said.

[silver ore]

this is my pc rn

[analog sinew]

ok?

[halcyon moss]

It has colors

And a window!

[pale sigil]

Dear God

[halcyon moss]

And a weird old hand at the top

[atomic hornet]

It just lacks the green fan for rgb

[pale sigil]

I haven't seen a case like that since I was

IDK

It reminds me of early 2000s

[atomic hornet]

To me this seems like very much a thing in the late 2000's early 2010's even

[pale sigil]

Maybe ye

[digital cliff]

yeah 2010 vibe

[pale sigil]

Ok ye we were still rocking baigie cases then silver for zime reason

I think in the late 2000s we moved to black and silver?

[digital cliff]

I think around halfway the decade already

before that it was more of the silver things

early 2000s stuff

[umbral heron]

Almost done

[vagrant fog]

With what?

Wootility on console or something?

[umbral heron]

Auto adding to Steam and configuration of Wootility on Deck

[vagrant fog]

Nice

[steep creek]

cool stuff

[umbral heron]

Only that gaming mode
Steam is weird when it comes to adding stuff to it

[dark iris]

🥰🥰🥰

Old school cool

[silver ore]

EHY WOULD YOU FUCKING PING ME

I BROKE MY 1190 COMBO

OH MY GOD MAN

thats it

your getting blocked

fucking hell man

[ashen spindle]

you know you can disable ping notifications lol

[silver ore]

stfu

[sweet cairn]

Chill

[ashen spindle]

I mean thats not on anyone else we cant magically know what you do at any moment lol

[silver ore]

fuck off pls

[halcyon moss]

Lol

[umbral heron]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-stiller-hand-gesture-shh-hush-gif-15857614

[dark iris]

Sorry

[sweet cairn]

Nah don't apologize

[zenith silo]

Fr just do it again 🤣