🔌│tech

[ashen spindle]

they still have a big lead in software and networking for now but for ai/hpc that is dwindling and hardware R&D they aren't really ahead currently

[river burrow]

@lavish stone

"That's a great sign! It looks like your computer is correctly using the ASIO driver provided by iFi audio for your ZEN DAC V2. Here's why this is significant:

"iFi (by AMR) HD+ USB Audio": This indicates that Windows recognizes a specific USB audio device driver from iFi. iFi audio is known to provide well-designed ASIO drivers for their DACs."

Low Latency:
Your audio applications are likely bypassing the standard Windows audio stack and sending the audio directly to the ZEN DAC V2 through its ASIO driver. This results in lower latency for real-time audio tasks.

[still loom]

It was never done before hardware almost a year before the chip you're talking about though

[ashen spindle]

apple even did it with the ultra chip lol

[still loom]

Well... good luck using an apple chip for the same purpose 😅

[ashen spindle]

well, it's both gpus glued together, in theory they could

wont happen but the R&D isn't that far ahead of other options

[still loom]

But you're looking ahead to something that's not close to the MI300X

[still loom]

You're looking at 8TB/s HBM Bandwith compared to 5.3 on AMD with less power consumption, no?

Or are we ignoring that

[ashen spindle]

are you looking at the b200 numbers?

[still loom]

B100, this year

[ashen spindle]

that's HBM3E which a variant of mi300 is also using

they already confirmed it, they cant really launch memory that isnt being made yet

[ashen spindle]

but also now im not sure I understood you correctly here, which chips are you comparing?

[still loom]

I just wish these companies would release their chips together so they can fight properly

I guess it will never be like that

Like put their all in without actually holding back

[ashen spindle]

I mean that's kinda what they are doing?

none of them are so stupid as to not sell something they could sell

[gleaming oxide]

ok actually it might be the opposite. I found out that 5035853 broke many systems. On the same day they also launched different updates for "older" hardware which could explain a lot.
however, i cant uninstall the update from that day. Could System Restore do the trick?

[formal ridge]

anyone else have the problem if they are playing valorant and hold tab you cant use A or S to move

its only on valorant its az bit wierd

[gusty kiln]

@astral haven how does 1080p look on your 4k monitor? specifically gaming

[astral haven]

Looks fantastic with dlss or fsr, haven't gamed outside of that and native 4k in a while

[gusty kiln]

hmmmm, cuz my use case would be apex at 1080p, no dlss/fsr

if I were to get the dual hertz monitor

really hope they make a 27" dual-hz soon

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah 1080 to 4k is just x2²

So with any amount of good smoothing it works good

[astral haven]

dual hz monitor will look better than scaling

[vagrant pagoda]

I run 3x4k screens

[astral haven]

you can try if you have 4k yourself with integer scaling

[vagrant pagoda]

How?

Is it going to do anything other than integer scaling?

[astral haven]

yea, its integer rather than normal scaling

[vagrant pagoda]

Nvidia just does integer if you set the output res to 1080

At least mine dose

[astral haven]

your monitor might, but nvidia doesnt by default

Same ui element

nvidia will by default output the signal natively, and leaves it up to the monitor to handle

you have to tweak with these settings to customize it

https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a55_march_2024_update_seamless_updates-news-62111.php
Fkn finally samsung jesus christ what took so long

[steep creek]

Starting with the a55? Wouldn’t flagships get such features first huh

[crisp granite]

ok

Vive Cosmos

good headset?

worth it in <current_year>?

being an almost five year old headset

[wheat plume]

oo good! but now Samsung users are also gonna have to wait almost an hour for their phone to apply the update before asking to reboot :D

at least you can use the phone for that hour, but not too much otherwise it pauses the install

[astral haven]

it already does that on samsungs without the new update

[wheat plume]

oo Chu 2 have a USB C version :D

very nice

[cursive summit]

They also have the Jiu which is.. fuck knows what

USB-C Chu 1?

[atomic hornet]

Quite like my chu 2's even if the nozzle is a little chunkier, they are still the least uncomfortable iem's I have used.

[vagrant pagoda]

think it defaults to scaling with surround

[astral haven]

Methinks that's a rare case

Speaking of janky nonsense, I want NVIDIA to do virtual submonitors.

Make Windows think that each monitor is split in half or in four.

[vagrant pagoda]

display fusion dose that very very well

used it for like decade"

i have may surrounds split in to 1/3 2/3 top to bottom

as they are in portait

and my 2 side screens are triple split in portrait

[gleaming oxide]

Anyone here with experience in RAM?

[vagrant pagoda]

raming your mom?

[balmy vector]

[astral haven]

Does it make Windows think they are monitors however?

[gleaming oxide]

bro ive spent 20 hours with a ton of pc problems, im not in the mood

[vagrant pagoda]

it just wrangles window sizes

so when you fullscreen a app it only goes so big

[astral haven]

Full-screen or maximize?

[vagrant pagoda]

both

[astral haven]

Does it work with the Windows logic to reopen applications on the right monitor?

Or does it do it's own

[vagrant pagoda]

pretty sure it dose it all

[astral haven]

Interesting

I can probably just buy a copy on Steam to test it out at home, and if it works at home it'll probably work at work

[crisp granite]

anything?

[astral haven]

i dont think anyone has one lel

[crisp granite]

...yike

reviews seem to be that it is a decent index competitor

comparable to a reverb g2

I would get a g2
but I can get a fresh and in box cosmos for the price of a g2 used

[vagrant pagoda]

isnt cosmo only 90hz?

[crisp granite]

that is correct

[astral haven]

and g2 is higher res afaik

neither are oled

[crisp granite]

not going to splash out for a bigscreen beyond

little too expensive for my tastes

[astral haven]

personally id wait to see what sony is cooking with the psvr2 pc

[vagrant pagoda]

i dont count the g2 as its inside out

[astral haven]

new firmware update actually makes the psvr2 work on pc with minor hackery

[vagrant pagoda]

inside out isnt comparable to one with real tracking

[vagrant pagoda]

you still need a box tough

[astral haven]

yea for now

very possible that sony can make a passive adapter work with a future firmware update, and they will sell it as a pigtail

[vagrant pagoda]

why would they

they want you to need a playstation

hence doing the game stream thing

[astral haven]

why would they unfuck the functionality on pc to begin with via a firmware update?

before you needed to do hacky bs to make it even consider working in vr (not in 2d mode)

[vagrant pagoda]

the current issue isnt intentional

[crisp granite]

that's an advantage for me though

inside out...um...definitely subpar but setup and teardown is a lot easier

[astral haven]

afaik theres a new update as of 2 days ago
trying to find sauce

[vagrant pagoda]

the nvidia issue is what im talking about

thats what requires the hack to get working

[crisp granite]

if they did, PSVR2 would be the obvious choice

[vagrant pagoda]

with amd it works

[astral haven]

neither work

amd can be hacked to work

nvidia cant

[vagrant pagoda]

yes amd works with a virtual link adapter

[astral haven]

and more hackery

[crisp granite]

and RTX 2000, no?

[astral haven]

nope

[crisp granite]

they have actual virtual link ports though

[vagrant pagoda]

on windows it needed hacks

[crisp granite]

weirdchamp

[astral haven]

the thing isnt an actual headset

[vagrant pagoda]

on linux its plug and play

the new firmware update makes windows work

[astral haven]

on nvidia it appears as a 2d device (as sony and nvidia intend)

[vagrant pagoda]

only on amd though

[astral haven]

it still doesnt work

[vagrant pagoda]

it dose on amd

as up the update on windows

it always worked on linux

[astral haven]

ok so its a vr headset right?

either you and i have very different definitions of work or you dont understand what the support does

[vagrant pagoda]

if you plug it into a virtual link adapter into a linux radeon 7xxx machine it will work

now with the update

if you plug it into a windows radeon 7xxx machine it works

works means as a steamvr headset

[astral haven]

pretend to be 2 displays and nothing else

[astral haven]

[citation needed]

[vagrant pagoda]

https://twitter.com/iVRy_VR/status/1771311699531833481

iVRy (@iVRy_VR) on X

Does the latest PSVR2 firmware allow nVidia GPUs to be used? It's now possible to use the PSVR2 with AMD cards (with a VL port or adapter), without a DP-AUX emulator "dongle". It's not possible to use PSVR2 with nVidia without the "dongle", still unknown if it can be used with it

Twitter · Mar 22, 2024, 11:03 PM

[astral haven]

and i dont mean 1 dude on reddit says its working, or a picture of the headset in steamvr, i mean actual vr, so including moving

[crisp granite]

iVRy...right

[vagrant pagoda]

you need a driver

ivry makes the only one

[crisp granite]

honestly, I want to see what Sony's official headset support (if at all) for PC looks like first before I hop on that bandwagon

[vagrant pagoda]

sony hasnt released an offical one

[crisp granite]

yet

they supposedly are cooking up something for PC

[astral haven]

no tracking, no controllers

the only difference between nvidia and amd right now is that on nvidia its a 2d hmd, and on amd you can hack it to be a 3d hmd

[crisp granite]

https://www.uploadvr.com/psvr2-firmware-update-suggests-pc-support/

[vagrant pagoda]

"Built-in support for Sony PSVR2 6DOF integrated tracking."

[astral haven]

again [citation needed]
and i mean including proof

ivry hasnt said they have psvr2 working yet afaik only psvr1 (by my definition of working)

[vagrant pagoda]

they released it for sale

because it works

[astral haven]

lol

psvr1 sure

idgaf about the psvr1

[vagrant pagoda]

fam

[astral haven]

psvr2 is drastically better

[vagrant pagoda]

you cant read i cant help you

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1021000/iVRy_Driver_for_SteamVR_PSVR2_Premium_Edition/

Steam

iVRy Driver for SteamVR (PSVR2 Premium Edition)

What is the iVRy Driver for SteamVR (PSVR2 Premium Edition) DLC?• It is the FULL version of the iVRy Driver for SteamVR with PSVR2 support.What is iVRy (PSVR2 Edition)?• iVRy is a Virtual Reality headset driver for SteamVR for your Sony PSVR2 headset.What does that mean?• Want to play PC VR* (Virtual Reality) titles without having to buy another...

Release Date

Coming soon

[crisp granite]

https://twitter.com/sadlyitsbradley/status/1770707584833421393?s=46

Brad Lynch (@SadlyItsBradley) on X

PSVR2 got a firmware update with the latest PS5 update. It now works without bypassing EDID and DSC stuff that used to be necessary to get it to work on a PC

Based on that change, it looks like the PC support will be directly plugged in and not streamed

Is Sony washing hands?

Twitter · Mar 21, 2024, 7:02 AM

[vagrant pagoda]

there is a store page for the fucking psvr2 version

[crisp granite]

shhhhh, reading is difficult

[vagrant pagoda]

they must of pulled it today

[astral haven]

point is wait for whatever sony is doing or get a quest 3, unless you are only gonna be doing sit down vr

[crisp granite]

so wait for Sony

[vagrant pagoda]

there are videos of it working on pateron

but i cant bebothered to figure out how to rip them,

[astral haven]

just admit you were looking at psvr1 and we can move on to actually useable stuff

[crisp granite]

the plan was actually to stand in place
walking is for nerds

but sitting is for shrimps and incels

[astral haven]

sit down vr is a type

[crisp granite]

I am aware

[astral haven]

so will you be playing sit down games and experiences or roomscale stuff

[vagrant pagoda]

so i scrolled back, it was only avaible for the people who bought the adapters

the ones you dont need anymore lol

[crisp granite]

best way to put it is "sit down" games

roomscale...none of which interest me

wait...

[astral haven]

if you arent doing the roomscale style games, then the tracking is muuuuuuuuch less important

[crisp granite]

for shooters...preferable to have

[astral haven]

especially since most of the sit down style ones dont even use the tracked controllers

[crisp granite]

wtf

[astral haven]

im not aware of a shooter that isnt roomscale what

[crisp granite]

then roomscale...

hard to call standing in place "roomscale"
but sure

[astral haven]

sit down is like simmer stuff

[crisp granite]

there'll be some of that too

but mainly shooting things

[astral haven]

even if you are standing in place, the style of tracking is the difference

[vagrant pagoda]

can you step?

[crisp granite]

odd question

yes I can move under my own power

I'm not the average Texan

[vagrant pagoda]

i ment in what ever game youre talking about

[crisp granite]

most I'm interested in rely on joysticks for movement

but use tracked controllers for aim

[vagrant pagoda]

what game

[astral haven]

if it uses tracked controllers its almost certainly not classified as sit down

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah what game would you shoot sitting down with controllers

ww2 turret gunner sim lol

[crisp granite]

trying to recall, but F4VR at minimum

[astral haven]

again you can play sit down vr games while standing

[vagrant pagoda]

f4vr isnt seated

[crisp granite]

yes...

[astral haven]

the classification is more for headsets, the cv1 with its original tracking setup you couldnt turn around and still have tracking

[crisp granite]

that was a given...
I'm pretty dumb but not THAT dumb...I think

[vagrant pagoda]

you can walk around in f4vr

its 100% roomscale

[astral haven]

games that are fully playable like that are probably fine on any inside out tracking, but for a shooter, presumeably fast paced, its really worth getting the stuff designed for it

[crisp granite]

fast paced...no

the ones I plan on playing are extremely sluggish

[astral haven]

i wouldnt even be surprised if the psvr2 made over 20% of the population sick when doing fps style gameplay

[crisp granite]

I am immune to motion sickness

(is what I keep telling myself)

[astral haven]

you tried vr before?

and i mean for more than half an hour and while moving your head around

[crisp granite]

a few times

a while back

2019

probably better now, no?

[astral haven]

remember what headsets

[vagrant pagoda]

f4vr is also terrible to comparing tracking do to the engine barely able to keep smooth in 3d

[crisp granite]

Rift

[astral haven]

only the quest > quest 3 has a major improvement

[astral haven]

that only narrows it down by half

[crisp granite]

not the Rift S
just the Rift

[astral haven]

cv1?

[vagrant pagoda]

the og rift had ir cam tracking

not as good as lighthouse, but better than inside out

[astral haven]

the cv1 is actually pretty fantastic besides being incredibly low res

[crisp granite]

would be the CV1 then

good but I am not going to try to hunt one down today

[astral haven]

quest 3 is about on par tracking wise vs 3 station cv1 and its better than 2 station cv1 afaik

cosmos is almost certainly worse

[crisp granite]

I do expect that to some extent because of the inside out

and I'd still rather inside out

[astral haven]

sure

but you probably want it to be good

[crisp granite]

serviceable

[astral haven]

the q3 is known good

vision pro is excellent but lol

[vagrant pagoda]

they want actual games XD

[astral haven]

i mean for controller tracked vr its about the same level of pain as a reverb g2 lol

[crisp granite]

can't wait for capcom to port their RE VR ports to Vision Pro as well

so those games are on TWO platforms I don't intend to touch

[astral haven]

i recommended a g2 to a friend who said they didnt want to play games, just art and modeling
then they got addicted to games and bought the full knuckles kit to get servicable controllers lol

[viscid ember]

Does anyone think they can help me?
I have a problem with one of my new keyboards (The yunzii al66)
For some reason the windows and alt keys are switched.
Additionally the software does nothing to help. It doesn't even work

[cursive summit]

Is it one of those shitty keyboards that use VIA for configuration?

Seems that their keyboard is wireless and relatively mid-range priced, Wooting doesn't seem to be in their interest

[viscid ember]

It has its own software so I dont know if the keyboard or the software is the issue

I would get wooting but it is out of my budget

[cursive summit]

Lol https://www.rxddit.com/r/BudgetKeebs/comments/18fg9l3/yunzii_al66_beware/

You bought a shit keeb it seems, unfortunate

Get a Ducky next time

[viscid ember]

the keyboard is actually really nice its just the software

[cursive summit]

Duckies are nice

[viscid ember]

everything but the key mapping works

[cursive summit]

Or actually, a Keychron

Keychrons are very well built and priced

A lot of good brands that aren't named "Yunzii" like an Amazon scam

[viscid ember]

Ill look into them but where Im at not much are available

[cursive summit]

Where you at?

[viscid ember]

I was doing some research and it looks like Im the only that is experiencing the windows alt switch

[viscid ember]

some island near madagascar

[cursive summit]

Uh, Seychelles?

Mauritius?

[viscid ember]

yuh

[cursive summit]

Ah, that little pot of everything

[viscid ember]

basically everything but proper tech stuff and clothing

[cursive summit]

How are imports there?

[viscid ember]

so so, not the best but I found a little shop with a few keychron, akko, ajazz and some other more popular brands

but they really overprice it

[cursive summit]

First two brands were good, idk wtf is ajizz

[viscid ember]

Idk I saw some good stuff about them

I contacted the support team and Im just waiting for a response, Im not sure if they'll be any help tho.

I FIXED IT

oh the software works now too

yay indeed

[cursive summit]

https://tenor.com/view/filthy-frank-yatta-yeah-yata-やった-gif-19614130

[iron wave]

Wrote a super crappy Sudoku solver.

I'll make it a little less bad later in the day.

[cursive summit]

Good mental challenge

Dunno how I'd write one on the spot, prolly would have to figure it out

Especially making it scale dynamically to bigger grids?

[umbral heron]

Brute force sudoku

[iron wave]

You just group the cells into columns, rows and blocks and track the numbers in each one.

[cursive summit]

Well yeah I know how Sudoku works, dunno how I'd write a script and how I'd want it to flow

[iron wave]

I used a 9 bit wide bitfield stored in an int to make it easier.

[cursive summit]

I suppose you complete a block first, then move on to second block, then third until row is complete, then move on to another row?

Dunno if that's efficient

[umbral heron]

For each field check and save which numbers are allowed there
If there's only one allowed number there insert it into the field
Repeat

[iron wave]

    public void refreshPencil() {
        for(int y = 0; y < cells.length; y++) {
            var row = cells[y];
            for(int x = 0; x < row.length; x++) {
                var cell = row[x];
                if(cell.value() != -1) {
                    cell.pencil(0);
                }

                var setRow = rows[y];
                var column = columns[x];
                var block = block(x, y);
                int pencil = 0b111111111;
                pencil &= ~setRow.values();
                pencil &= ~column.values();
                pencil &= ~block.values();
                cell.pencil(pencil);
            }
        }
    }

    public boolean step() {
        boolean changed = false;
        for(var row : cells) {
            for(var cell : row) {
                if(cell.value() != -1) {
                    continue;
                }

                var pencil = cell.pencil();
                if(Integer.bitCount(pencil) == 1) {
                    int value = 32 - Integer.numberOfLeadingZeros(pencil);
                    cell.value(value);
                    changed = true;
                }
            }
        }
        if(changed) {
            refreshPencil();
        }
        return changed;
    }

It's super stupid.

[umbral heron]

It's even better, ANDing 9bit fields is pretty genius though

[marsh glade]

I learned recently about sudoku rings which blew my mind

[iron wave]

The next step would be to track stuff like if a cell can only have a number in the same row/column you can pretend that number exists in that row/column.

[cursive summit]

Ew, I don't like these kind of programming languages

[iron wave]

Bitwise stuff makes everything easier.

[iron wave]

You don't like good programming languages? More power to you I suppose.

[cursive summit]

I don't like Java at all

[iron wave]

Java is great.

[cursive summit]

I'd rather Python

[iron wave]

22 just came out with the best new features since 9.

Python is god awful.

Slow weird scripting language.

[cursive summit]

Duality of programmers

[iron wave]

The GIL is really brutal.

Look here, in the top left cell you know that there is a 7 in the top row so you can just assume that there is a 7 there in the other two cells to the right. (They already have 7s placed, but it gets the idea across)

I should change this code to make it work with base 9 and base 16 Sudoku too.

I'm honestly not entirely sure how I should implement that...

I guess bitsets in each row and column of a block.

[cursive summit]

What's a "base 16" sudoku?

[umbral heron]

Wouldn't just changing to 16-bit value work?

[iron wave]

0123456789ABCDEF and 16/16.

[umbral heron]

Hexdoku

[iron wave]

You could do base 4 too.

12|34
41|23
--+--
34|12
23|41

[umbral heron]

Make it work for every base n²

[iron wave]

It's not quite that pattern.

[steep creek]

take userinput where you ask for which base lol

[iron wave]

1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 6², 7², 8², etc..

Honestly base 25 is probably the last "easy" one.

With a half decent solver you can generate puzzles too, just randomly fill a puzzle with valid values and then randomly delete a bunch of stuff and if it can't solve you deleted too much stuff.

[cursive summit]

Do asymmetrical sudokus too

[umbral heron]

36 would require some changes I reckon

int pencilU = 0b111111111111111111;
int pencilL = 0b111111111111111111;

Unless you go with i64, then maybe

[iron wave]

BitSet 😍

[umbral heron]

Oh
That'd work too

[iron wave]

The limit of BitSet is around 128 billion bits.

The JVM would probably stop you first though.

[umbral heron]

I'm still thinking C way when it comes to bitwise anything

[iron wave]

I don't think it likes long[0x7FFFFFFF].

I mean Java uses the same operators, it just adds >>>.

Or is |, not is ~, and is &, left shift is <<, arithmetic right shift is >>, and logical right shift is >>>.

[marsh glade]

Does a hexadoku also have ring patterns?

I asked ChatGPT and it said, "Yes! It looks like this!"

[reef patrol]

That is some Aztec puzzle shit right there.

World's ending on Tuesday!

[umbral heron]

I think so? Although I'd have to check if it matches sets
It may not, since hexdoku has even number of sets, but maybe...

[umbral heron]

Ok, so it won't work for even base sets, but it will for odd base sets
For 4x4 it won't work, because we don't have central set to subtract from (A+B)-(AxB) set
For 5x5 (A+B)-(AxB)-central set is equal to 144, and (A-B) set is equal to 36, and since we have 4 36 sets, then 4x36=144

[iron wave]

I need to come up with decent UX for a UI.

I guess I could spawn a 3x3 grid where you tap.

[cursive summit]

Ew, UI design

[umbral heron]

UI... em... um... CLI works, throw some nice box made out of ascii characters and it'll work

[iron wave]

Ah yes because that's a good idea on Android.

[cursive summit]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1bleix6/suno_v3_is_now_available_for_everybody_longer/

Holy shit AI sound generation is incredible

We went from AI having no clue wtf to do with MIDIs just 3 years ago, to full on song generation

[iron wave]

Sorry wrong channel.

[marsh glade]

Oh neat!

Took it for a spin, was fun 🙂

https://app.suno.ai/song/9a3592aa-e0a0-440f-9b10-10a25bc35354/

[cursive summit]

Some very very very standard pop 😄

Still better than whatever Taylor Swift releases

[marsh glade]

To be fair I did ask it to make happy and bouncy pop out of it

[cursive summit]

Yeah fair enough, and it did it perfectly

I wonder how it handles more indie pop/dream pop/shoegaze elements

[marsh glade]

Dunno, ran out of free credits haha

But they reset daily so that's nice

[cursive summit]

You want something generated? Gimme a prompt

[balmy vector]

i wonder howd it fair at EDM or eurobeat

[cursive summit]

It does it well

It also is really good at rap of all things

[balmy vector]

wtf

unexpected

[cursive summit]

I remember when Suno V2 came out and it did British drill incredibly well

[balmy vector]

need me some more jet set radio beats for sure

[cursive summit]

#🐸│memes message

We talked about it ages back there

[balmy vector]

ill give it a listen

[cursive summit]

Oh man it's impressed the hell out of me

[balmy vector]

oh yeah its honestly pretty neat

[marsh glade]

dreamy, walking, psychedelic rock with two interwoven melodies that tell the same story in emotionally contrasting ways

[cursive summit]

Sure, seems interesting

Why do I have so many creds

I'm rich, boi

https://app.suno.ai/song/55065ff5-79ca-47e2-b010-3f6ab1a339bc

Oh this is so good wtf

I can't really hear two melodies though

Just one main progression

[marsh glade]

My internet just dropped so I'll listen after I make dinner

[cursive summit]

It gave me two outputs and second one has more elements going on https://app.suno.ai/song/f96f98b1-ab5f-49ab-883b-7749db67fd46

This one is a lot more psychedelic

[umbral heron]

Trending songs are amazing
Who tf made Lord's Prayer into hardcode electronic

[marsh glade]

Both of those results were impressive! Nailed the style and tempo, but struggled with its interpreting the bit on intertwining melodies as structure instead of topic

The prompt was engineered to fail though haha

[cursive summit]

Indeed, but that's something an artist would be able to do, I don't expect an AI to just suddenly be better than most artists hah

I had an idea, I'll feed a song into GPT, make an extremely detailed summarization, and feed that into Suno and see if it matches the original track in any way

I am a sucker for quality 1990s instrumental shoegaze and such songs are hard to come by

[marsh glade]

It was a good example of the limitations of generative AI with respect to comprehension vs association

[cursive summit]

Oooo this is so hypnotic, this is great, this is niiice https://app.suno.ai/song/0dbb6b9b-a81b-4885-b397-cb32a7901321

This is what I love to listen to daily

[gusty kiln]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71nuLP3jYML._AC_SL1500_.jpg

I want a wooting version of this

[cursive summit]

Okay I am trying to make meme music, but it's just refusing to make the thing sound anything like elmo or kirby

However it just dropped me this banger here with a melody that's insanely good https://app.suno.ai/song/b239310f-ce49-48b1-98cc-0aba8fbeb0ca

[umbral heron]

Ay, it's pretty cool https://app.suno.ai/song/0a8f5e69-88f6-4b2f-97e7-bf1085b8a78f/

[cursive summit]

"slow witch house"

Is that a style that I should now be aware of

[umbral heron]

Overall witch house is slow
But first attempt gave something close to 160bpm, and it sounded like speeding 300km/h on drugs

[cursive summit]

Yeah seems Suno is unable to speed up the vocals on demand or make them sound a specific way

I'm just getting mario themed rap by some random block kid pretending he's an italian plumber

[vagrant pagoda]

you game with your numpad?

[gusty kiln]

nah for work

[umbral heron]

Me and my friend bound stratagems in HD2 to numpad, that way we don't have stop moving to call in stratagems

[vagrant pagoda]

then why a wooting?

[gusty kiln]

just so it's matching

kek

[vagrant pagoda]

just get a two lol

[gusty kiln]

? I want the numpad to match my wooting 60he

[vagrant pagoda]

i was joking

a 60 with a numpad and arrows is a two XD

[gusty kiln]

no F row 🤑

[vagrant pagoda]

XD

[true quest]

f pad

[balmy vector]

Single f key

[onyx nova]

why is my keyboard delaying so much recently?

[vagrant pagoda]

its because you cant read channel descriptions

[unkempt lake]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/s/8Ng7C34spr

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/s/I02rzeTUnO

Have you guys seen this?

[reef patrol]

jfc what a PR nightmare.

[sweet cairn]

I'm confused, did they mean EVGA?

If so, it is kinda sus that their new PSUs only have a 3 year warranty.

[frozen ingot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cHDyq5hRk4

[unkempt lake]

Company's gonna be dead in 3 years

XD

They're already a shell

With their gpu and mobo divisions gone

Not even updating the bios on their 13gen mobos lol

[sweet cairn]

It's all been downhil for them for a while now. A real shame, used to be legends.

[unkempt lake]

I'll argue

They've always been an average company

With just a good customer service

Their products have never been reliable and they've had issue after issue almost every gen

1070/1080's catching on fire and having thermal pad issues

20 series cooler issues

3090's with bad solder dying

[sweet cairn]

Fair, but I'd rather an average product with amazing support than a good product with average or below average support.

I'd rather drug my nuts through broken glass than ever deal with ASUS.

[unkempt lake]

I agree service does matter

But i think calling EVGA legends is far fetched

[sweet cairn]

It's funny I read EVGA is actually sitting on a lot of those in stock, they are reserved as replacements lol

[sweet cairn]

Their reputation def is/was.

[unkempt lake]

Evga stopped being a great company after like 2014-2015

When 10series launched it was the start of their downfall

[sweet cairn]

I never owned any EVGA products but it almost feels like a cult classic whenever I see people talking fondly about them on reddit etc

Other than Noctua, I hardly see people who are such huge fans of a specific brand with pc components.

[unkempt lake]

Sapphire/XFX on the amd side?

Whenever those 2 are brought up its because of their similar CS approach to evga's

[sweet cairn]

Sapphire for sure.

[frozen ingot]

I member when xfx made nvidia

the only xfx cards I've owned

[atomic hornet]

XFX is fine but nothing special.

[sweet cairn]

I almost bought a Sapphire+ 7900xtx, partly because it could fit in my case, partly because it looked the best and partly because like you said, lotta people swear by them,

[atomic hornet]

Often they are just relatively cheap, XFX that is.

[unkempt lake]

Their warranty service is good

[atomic hornet]

Never had the displeasure of needing warranty support on my gpu, but good to know.

[unkempt lake]

I used to work in a pc repair shop and well... dealing with parts still under warranty being returned to us by customers

I've seen a how lot of companies operate for their warranties xD

[atomic hornet]

That is fair, how do the other board partners factor in here?

[unkempt lake]

MSI here in Canada is pretty good also had a personal experience with them got a free replacement on an out of warranty mobo

[sweet cairn]

My latest warranty headache is trying to return an RM100e from Corsair. I've settled on just buying a new PSU and then selling this one because it technically is completely fine. It just sounds like trash and is driving me crazy. I can hear it all the way across my house.

[unkempt lake]

I know a lot of people shit on MSI because of their shady practices during the crypto times

[sweet cairn]

I am an MSI fanboy because of this. Also in Canada. MSI I found their products always great, and if not, they fix it and make it right unlike ASUS or GB.

[atomic hornet]

Most I hear people talk shit about is Asus nowadays

[sweet cairn]

Especially for Mobos at least.

[unkempt lake]

ASUS and GB are horrible

[sweet cairn]

I avoid them on principle. When I built my last computer, a lot of people kept trying to make me spend less and go with a random ASUS or GB part, but am like nah I refuse to budge.

[unkempt lake]

It may not be pc hardware but the worst company i ever had to do and rma for was

Acer

Holy shit

Acer was so bad

[sweet cairn]

Isn't acer and asus the same company, or were at some point?

Same with asrock

[unkempt lake]

Asrock is also terrible to deal with

[sweet cairn]

The only GB product I have is a monitor, but thats because I need the KVM feature. The only other brand that does it afaik is ASUS, so it was pick your poison moment,.

[unkempt lake]

I have a gigabyte motherboard in my pc currently lol

[atomic hornet]

Actually a long time ago I had to go through warranty with Acer, it went fine. but that was in the late 00's so there is that.

[unkempt lake]

I had an msi mobo break and needed my shit back up asap

So got this gb mobo for cheap (it was 2021 and im on z390 so this board which was worth like 400$ at launch was on sale for like 175$ and no one wanted z390 back then) i didn't really care about warranty as i just needed something asap and this i could just go pick up locally

[atomic hornet]

I don't often have to deal with manufacturer warranty, last time was for my PSU went to bequiet directly because I had to ship it to germany either way, and the store was more annoying to deal with, also went fine.

But generally don't need warranty often.

If I do, there is always the store.

[unkempt lake]

But yeah that replacement msi mobo (that got replaced for free out of warranty) now lives in my dad's pc

[atomic hornet]

Also fine in the case of BeQuiet was 2 weeks turnaround time, I had a perfectly fine back-up psu so there is that.

[unkempt lake]

Couldn't be assed to swap out the gb and msi boards xD

[atomic hornet]

As for what I currently use:
PSU: the replaced bequiet,
GPU: XFX
Motherboard Asrock
Monitors: 2x Gigabyte 1x Asus 1x Dell, all out of warranty.

[vagrant pagoda]

this is why i have used silverstone for ages

they use pcie and eps pinout on both sides of those cables

and when they changed the 24pin pinout they physically changed the cable ends

but other than the 24 pin, all thier cables are the same

[unkempt lake]

I guess here's my current setup:
Samsung Neo G9 monitor
9700k oced to 5ghz
Noctua nh-u12a
Z390 gigabyte aorus pro wifi
32gb corsair vengeance pro 3600mhz
Xfx 7900xtx merc gpu
Hx1500i corsair psu

[vagrant pagoda]

also when they did change the 24pin they just added sens pins

that you can ignore if doing custom cables

they do use a standard 6pin pcie for the molex/sata

[viscid ember]

any opinions on the logitech g304?
Im planning on buying one but would like to know if it's worth the price

[vagrant pagoda]

and you could plug those into the pcie socket on the psu

but

[sweet cairn]

If you like it and it's in your budget why not.

[vagrant pagoda]

they connect the 3.3 and 5v though the ground side of the pcie pinout

so you would only endup grounding out the pcie though the ground of the hdd

[viscid ember]

it looks good and its fairly cheap for what seems to be good performance.
I just wanted to know if anyone has had some bad experiences with it or something

[vagrant pagoda]

which could damnage it, or more likely the psu wouldnt start

[unkempt lake]

Isn't the g304 the asian variant of the g305?

I have a g305 and love it for my claw grip

[sweet cairn]

Logitech is pretty solid

[viscid ember]

im asian so idk its available where im at

[vagrant pagoda]

305 and 304 are the same

just diff frequence i think

[unkempt lake]

Yeah i think its just a region variant

But i have a g305 and i love it

[viscid ember]

no delay or anything?

[unkempt lake]

But you HAVE to have an aggressive claw grip

Or you'll hate it

[unkempt lake]

No

[viscid ember]

o

Im not that picky on mouse shapes but I have a very passive claw grip

[unkempt lake]

It works super well for me as i have a very aggressive claw grip

But i could see it work for a more relaxed claw grip too

To me its the comfiest mouse i ever tried

XD

[viscid ember]

like palm meters away from mouse?

[unkempt lake]

@vivid vine got himself a g305 too after i recommende dit and loves it too

[viscid ember]

alright then, Ill probably get it this week.

[vivid vine]

SE 303 not thhe G305

[viscid ember]

I have a wired mouse and the wire colliding with other things on my desk is tiring me out

[vivid vine]

Wait you have a G305? @unkempt lake

[unkempt lake]

The shroud mouse

I think i just had a brainfart

I have the shroud mouse

303

[viscid ember]

welp

[unkempt lake]

@viscid ember forget everything said my brain is just gone

[unkempt lake]

I have the 303 se i'm just braindead

[viscid ember]

Im most likely still getting it

[unkempt lake]

And mixed up 303 and 305 in my head

[vivid vine]

Yea G305 is a completely different mouse, the more budget gaming side of Logitech

takes actual batteries

Comes in cool colors tho

[sweet cairn]

I actually prefer this.

[unkempt lake]

Ah yes

[sweet cairn]

Instant recharge and the battery doesn't degrade or bloat over time.

Well it does, you just replace it instead of replacing the mouse

[unkempt lake]

Brainfart moment

i think i need caffeine @vivid vine

[lyric hatch]

What is that OC 😂 stock it boosts to 4.9

[unkempt lake]

On a single core

[crisp granite]

Glad I could recommend it

[unkempt lake]

@lyric hatch it's 4.6 on all cores stock

I'm running 5.0 on all cores

With no downclock during avx 2 instructions

[lyric hatch]

Oh makes sense, you notice much of a performance difference

[unkempt lake]

When running a 7900xtx and with newer games being more cpu bound absolutely

Just holding on till zen5 gets announced and released to upgrade 😛

[lyric hatch]

Yeah I have the same cpu I'm not as bottlenecked though with my 3060 ti

[unkempt lake]

I was running a 2080 before

So roughly what you're running

And yeah on a 3060 ti between 4.6 and 5.0 you wouldn't notice

[unkempt lake]

Yeet

[lyric hatch]

Yeah time for a whole system upgrade soon probably next gpu release

[unkempt lake]

I mean in my case i play at 5120x1440

So my cpu bottleneck is only noticeable if i like use FSR to run a lower res or play at 1440p with black bars

Unless i play something like helldivers 2 or cyberpunk 2.0 PL

[lyric hatch]

Planning on getting one of the new OLED monitors just not sure which one 🤔 that 240hz 4k 480hz 1080p is tempting

[unkempt lake]

If you upgrade your gpu while staying on 1440p or 1080p (pushing for higher fps) you'll have to upgrade your cpu

If you want to push 4k therefore lower refresh and upgrade your gpu it shouldn't be too big of a problem

[lyric hatch]

Yeah it's whole system upgrade time with next gen gpu release

[unkempt lake]

Question is do you even need a new gpu

All depends on what you play

Like if you only play one or 2 AAA graphics pushing games a year

You can wait another gen probably

[lyric hatch]

I play pretty much everything been waiting to play the new cyberpunk dlc for when I can properly run the game

I mean I can now but definitely can't with many RT effects turned on

[sweet cairn]

Cypberunk and Alan Wake 2 is the reason I pulled the trigger on a 4090

Worth

[unkempt lake]

In my case it was forza motorsports and alan wake 2 that pushed me to upgrade

I was running a triple monitor setup for racing games before

And well replacing it with a single 5120x1440 49inch monitor

Was super worth it

And i also got the 7900xtx

Cuz well 4080 and 4090 were just too expensive imo

[unkempt lake]

Basically i got a display and a 7900xtx for the price of a 4090

[lyric hatch]

Yeah not sure about a 4090 but I assume.the next gen 5080 equivalent will have similar performance for hopefully a little less but you never know with how the gpu market is rn 😂

[sweet cairn]

GPU market is insane, who knows.

But hey, the 5000 series will come out, and people will say the same about the 6000 series.

[sweet cairn]

My 1080ti lasted for what felt like forever. 3070ti aged like shit, so with the 4090 I figured in the long run I will save money by not upgrading as soon.

[vagrant pagoda]

1080ti is goat 100%

lol

[gusty kiln]

RX 480/580 was budget goat for a while

[unkempt lake]

I mean buying 8gb of vram was dumdum

That's the big mistake

[sweet cairn]

It was. But when I asked for advice I got a lot of cope about how that was more than enough.

My bad for asking people lmao

[teal garnet]

Techmology, what is that all about? Is it good, or is it wack?

[sweet cairn]

But getting a 3080 and only having 10gb still felt like a scam. Also mind you I bought during the whole covid/scalping/mining craze so it was all I could find in stock after months of searching and even then I paid a premium for it.

[unkempt lake]

I remember people telling me to get the 1080 ti for 150$ less instead of the 2080 back then and i didn't listen and I was glad i didn't

[vagrant pagoda]

the fat vram of the 1080ti plus the crapshoot of pricing caused by mining ment the 1080ti was the stanard for high end for devs for a while

[teal garnet]

i got a 7900xtx as well fellow chads

[sweet cairn]

on the pcbuilding discord there's a lot of bad advice.

[vagrant pagoda]

2080ti and then 3080/3090 was dumb money

[teal garnet]

runs good as hell

[unkempt lake]

To me paying 150$ for the dlss and dx12u seemed worth it as they were technonogies that had potential

[teal garnet]

i think upscaling is poop

[vagrant pagoda]

upscaling is fine in the right uses

1080-4k works amazingly well

[umbral veldt]

Minecraft go crazy on 4090

[sweet cairn]

I personally prefer to run native, but I like to use DLAA.

[vagrant pagoda]

especially in games that still render ui and such at full res

[unkempt lake]

Allows the card to still be a good card to this day

Along with dx12u

[vagrant pagoda]

but 1080-4k is just intager scaling plus aa

[umbral veldt]

Can anyone explain if it’s visually noticeable between 4K native vs 4K DLSS… like I can’t tell any difference rather than way better fps

[teal garnet]

yeah it looks like a lower res

[sweet cairn]

It really comes down to cost but most people blindly suggest shit without taking context into consideration.

[unkempt lake]

My husband is running my 2080 as a replacement for his 1660 i gave him my 2080 when i upgraded to the 7900xtx and it's still a great 1080p card

[vagrant pagoda]

dlss has a ton of giveaways if you look

[unkempt lake]

Also kinda crazy looking back

The 1080ti and the 2080 were the same perf at release

But the gap just grew overtime

[sweet cairn]

I mean that's really up to you.

[unkempt lake]

1080 ti performs closer to a 2060 in modern games

[umbral veldt]

was wondering whether to play cyberpunk on Native or DLSS… but native cannot handle RT even with my 4090

[vagrant pagoda]

huh?

[sweet cairn]

I will say DLSS in 4K is pretty good.

DLSS in 1080p is a hard pass

[unkempt lake]

Look at modern titles released this year

[sweet cairn]

and in 1440p it's a mixed bag

[unkempt lake]

Devs aint optimizing for pascal anymore

[umbral veldt]

yeah I run 4K DLSS Ray Tracing on cyberpunk and get 100fps average

[sweet cairn]

Also DLSS works better when your base frames are decent and you just wnat higher frames, if your base frames are unplayable then dlss won't really save you

[final flame]

not just for pascal lol, they don't optimize for anything anymore

[umbral veldt]

4070 Ti

[unkempt lake]

Accurste

[sweet cairn]

esports maybe, def not AAA

[vagrant pagoda]

1080ti will still do 60+fps in cp2077 pl

[reef patrol]

4090? 4090

It all entirely depends on what you're expecting. High graphics? More than 60fps? Then my 3080 is absolutely not enough for 3440x1440p

[sweet cairn]

7900GRE

[reef patrol]

Not without some DLSS anyhow

[umbral veldt]

1440p at >21:9 I’d suggest 4070ti minimum

[unkempt lake]

Accurate PL is still optimized for pascal which is nice

[sweet cairn]

What frames are you expecting? What games? What resolution? Do you care about ray tracing? DlSS? What's your PSU? What's your budget?

[unkempt lake]

But most devs just don't bother nowadays

[sweet cairn]

A used 6800XT is a great bargain these days imo

[glass stag]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-javi-gutierrez-pedro-pascal-the-unbearable-weight-of-massive-talent-happy-gif-25135496

[umbral veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/tlouhq-the-last-of-us-tlou-o-ultimo-de-nos-bella-ramsey-gif-27360634

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/david-rose-gif-3214199033367100027

[glass stag]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-yoda-the-child-mandalorian-fast-ride-gif-19159871

[umbral veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/gabe-newell-gabening-intensifies-shaking-gif-15589000

[unkempt lake]

It's nice seeing how alan wake 2 got updated for it to work on pascal a month ago @vagrant pagoda

Gives hope for 1080 ti owners

Remedy are good devs

[gusty kiln]

no one wants for 12gb

[umbral veldt]

well if you want to use that monitor it’ll cost you for decent fps

Well what game struggles

[unkempt lake]

Another question

[umbral veldt]

and what fps does it get and what do u have rn

[sweet cairn]

What's your current GPU?

[unkempt lake]

@rain charm what is your definition of decent fps

Ac odyssey is old af

[umbral veldt]

Decent for console/poor people is 30fps

[unkempt lake]

And runs on mid end hardware

[sweet cairn]

Basically get the best thing you can with your budget, shop used.

[umbral veldt]

Do you only want nvidia??

AMD is best buck for value

Nvidia is like Apple, high coz of brand but also best on the market

AMD value is better for mid range

[unkempt lake]

I'll argue it all depends on his region

Sometimes amd is better value sometimes nvidia is better value

Country matters

Vega problems

[sweet cairn]

how much is a 7600xt in your area?

[unkempt lake]

Vega be like unstable piece of shit

[lyric hatch]

Yeah AMD isn't that competitive in price where I live

[umbral veldt]

AMD is a lot better for fps too than nvidia in general

Nvidia is 3D projects, AAA etc

VRAM?

[unkempt lake]

...? Technically you're better off with nvidia for competitive fps shooters

[lyric hatch]

Also I made the unfortunate mistake of buying a 5700 xt on release

[unkempt lake]

Antilag + isn't back yet

And its been months

[balmy vector]

Reflex babyyyy

[sweet cairn]

how much is a 6700xt or 6800xt?

And are you looking at used or new for the 7600 xt?

Just getting an idea of your market

[umbral veldt]

Well yeah, that’s why I have it but mid/low range AMD boasts higher value for money

[unkempt lake]

I paid 1200$ cad for a 7900xtx brand new

That's what i call good value

😛

[umbral veldt]

Games will deffo require more VRAM, 12GB is solid

[unkempt lake]

Even at the high end

[lyric hatch]

Anti lag+ gotta be one of the dumbest things amd has put out

[unkempt lake]

But hey it all depends on where you live

Pricing varies

[umbral veldt]

I paid £1,500 for 4090 geforce brand new 😁

I think they’re saying 2025 Q1 most likely

[sweet cairn]

End of this year at the earliest

[unkempt lake]

Paying 2500$for a gpu is a no for me

XD

Too much

[sweet cairn]

But it massages my feet with warm air

[unkempt lake]

I don't care how good it is its just too damn much

For a single component

[unkempt lake]

It better for that price

And bring me pizza

[umbral veldt]

My setup is like $6k

[balmy vector]

Can relate

[sweet cairn]

I'm in the same ballpark

I use my computer all day every day and it's a thing I'm interested in so I don't feel bad about it.

I would never spend even $1K on a console for example

But on my PC I do a lot of things

[balmy vector]

I just like upgrading

[glass stag]

My setup barely cost me anything, i just take scraps from @unkempt lake everytime she upgrades

[balmy vector]

When i have the budget

[balmy vector]

Getting hand-me-downs

Love it

[unkempt lake]

its true

[sweet cairn]

A dangerous drug. It all started with me wanting to upgrade my 3070ti and before you know it I had a new PC all built.

[umbral veldt]

I browse, work, learn, game, mod and post memes. I know it’ll last 5-10years as it is so won’t upgrade for a while

[unkempt lake]

His setup is just all my old stuff mashed together

lmao

[sweet cairn]

Yeah exactly. If it was just for gaming I wouldn't spend even half as much on it.

[umbral veldt]

If you’re always waiting for next GPU release your just gonna be waiting all ur life n never bootup

[unkempt lake]

Monitors, power supply, gpu,...

[glass stag]

I'm the youngest of 4 siblings, that's just my entire life

[balmy vector]

Yeah i started with 9th i5, then went to 9900k, swapped my 2060 to a 3060ti, then upgraded to a 4080, and then moved up to 12600k currently

[sweet cairn]

I think if you can find a used 6800 XT it would be even better, but those 3 gpu's are mainly what I recommend.

[umbral veldt]

Are you 2 furries or something btw??

[balmy vector]

Oh god its worse then i thought

[sweet cairn]

Worth possibly considering a 3070/ti but 8gbs of ram just hurts in 2024. Isn't really an issue in 1080p though.

[gusty kiln]

plenty for 1080p 240hz

[glass stag]

Yes and we're also married

[umbral veldt]

I’m curious

Like… do furries ever get married in outfits??

[sweet cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/you-wild-wiz-khalifa-you-are-crazy-you-mad-you-insane-gif-22827646

[glass stag]

I was wearing clothes yes

[balmy vector]

Experimenting i see

[umbral veldt]

💀

My ex was a furry in the closet I think

[glass stag]

Why

[sweet cairn]

One of my exes was.

But it was mostly a thing for costumes I think. Any mask or costume was good for her lol

[unkempt lake]

Well you guys are lucky you coulda ended up like nico, he wasn't a furry at first

[umbral veldt]

She loved wearing ears and doing furry type things like cosmetics and noises

[unkempt lake]

This is what happens when you get a furry gf

She turns you into a furry

And then you become furry husband and wife

Nico is what could have happenned to both of you @umbral veldt @sweet cairn

[sweet cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[unkempt lake]

The pathOwOgen spreads

Ya know?

[umbral veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/sniff-husky-furry-husky-husku-husky-sniff-furry-snif-gif-14945500044360669927

[unkempt lake]

You guys may already be infected

And it's just latent infection

OwO

Someday you'll wake up and it will be too late

[balmy vector]

i hate you

[umbral veldt]

Ive not seen a good looking furry woman ngl

[unkempt lake]

Do you want my onlyfans

[balmy vector]

[umbral veldt]

Bruh

[glass stag]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-stormbreaker-avengers-forge-nidavellir-gif-14855401

Me trying not to become furry

[umbral veldt]

I don’t pay for corn

[gusty kiln]

but thor succeeded

[balmy vector]

Alternative timeline

[sweet cairn]

nah you tripping

[umbral veldt]

I mean without the outfit

[glass stag]

https://tenor.com/view/game-grumps-furry-fursuit-gif-13526097

[sweet cairn]

Well yeah that's what I meant hahah

If a person wants to be/identifies as an animal is that the same as a furry

[balmy vector]

I just know i wouldnt be able to wear a suit

Gets too hot here

[sweet cairn]

I was just about to say lmfao

[balmy vector]

In the summer/spring

[sweet cairn]

I don't even turn on the heat in the winter man

[unkempt lake]

Move to canada

[balmy vector]

God i wish

[unkempt lake]

Ez fix

[glass stag]

Canadian -57c got me dressing like a dog for convenience

[balmy vector]

Thatd be fun

[umbral veldt]

If I became a furry I’d need a tatted up suit, y’all be too basic

[balmy vector]

Thatd go hard ngl

[unkempt lake]

The fact you're thinking about it

Is sus

[umbral veldt]

My entire body is tatted

[balmy vector]

Wanna get some tats myself

[sweet cairn]

don't come to BC

It's expensive and not cold

[umbral veldt]

The things men do for GYATTS

[unkempt lake]

Dw I'm in QC

[sweet cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/real-spider-man-sad-walking-rain-gif-1924155781469686297

[glass stag]

I moved to another continent only to be cockblocked by a cat

[unkempt lake]

Ain't planning on coming to BC @sweet cairn BUT if i had to pick somewhere that's not QC it would probably be BC

[umbral veldt]

have yall got custom litter boxes

[balmy vector]

[sweet cairn]

not too many appealing options in canada ngl

[balmy vector]

Killing me

[sweet cairn]

If I spoke french I'd consider QC

[unkempt lake]

That's why separation is the only solution

[umbral veldt]

I’ve never seen a single furry ever in my country

[sweet cairn]

btw what games did you mod? I forgot to ask when you mentioned

[unkempt lake]

Be like Nico, Nico's a dane and moved here and learned the language

[sweet cairn]

See if I was Nico i'd stay in denmark

[unkempt lake]

Fun fact you can even get paid to attend french classes for free

[balmy vector]

Fr?

[sweet cairn]

What's wild Is I USED to speak french as a kid. But as a teenager it just evaporated

[umbral veldt]

Oh lol my family is Danish 🇩🇰

In live in England now tho

[unkempt lake]

He likes it better here than denmark also i had a career here so wouldn't have made sense to do the opposite

[umbral veldt]

🇩🇰🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[unkempt lake]

Pillaging and murdering even to this day

Respect

You conquered the land your ancestors tried to conquer

[umbral veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

Only furries hearts

[glass stag]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-walk-gif-26871810

[unkempt lake]

Danish torture device

[gusty kiln]

[balmy vector]

Thats training

[glass stag]

Training to traverse the flat country

[balmy vector]

exactly

[umbral veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/shalymar-shagarita-shalymarrivera-shalymar-rivera-shalymar-rivera-gonzalez-gif-12283434127944804155

[unkempt lake]

But then you came here and discovered altitude existed

[glass stag]

We got a mountain called THE HEAVEN MOUNTAIN which is a fucking hill

[balmy vector]

Been forever since ive been on a mountain

[glass stag]

Altitude hurts my ears

[balmy vector]

Ear plugging altitude always not fun

[sweet cairn]

Oh god you just reminded me of when I did a road trip across the country and my ear kept popping lmao

[unkempt lake]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himmelbjerget

[sweet cairn]

Why am I always going up or down, whre is the flat land

[balmy vector]

Lol my hearing dmg makes that common with my hearing aids

[sweet cairn]

But I like to downhill skateboard so a win is a win

[glass stag]

Going through a park to the city from the airport here fucked up my ears

[umbral veldt]

Danmark er bedre til et stille liv

[glass stag]

https://tenor.com/view/cristiano-ronaldo-noob-google-translato-drinking-lmao-gif-22542492

[sweet cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/muppet-kermit-the-frog-type-typing-type-writer-gif-10954656665750753801

[balmy vector]

🦅

[umbral veldt]

I tried to learn but languages aren’t my forte

[glass stag]

I was born with a potato stuck in my throat

I was destined to speak Danish

[balmy vector]

Evolutionary trait

[glass stag]

I'm part of Québec's evolution to branch outside their family trees

https://tenor.com/view/run-explosions-gif-13620594

[frozen ingot]

well I used it back in like 2007 and almost nothing has changed since on the larger scale

[teal garnet]

did that guy really just say almost nothing about Linux has changed since 2007?

[marsh pewter]

this is so wrong and its really funny

[lyric hatch]

a friend in our group tried to switch but went back after finding out a significant amount of games we wanted to play just don't work or are super scuffed

became kind of a running joke that he would have to boot into windows before being able to play with us

[cursive summit]

https://www.techpowerup.com/320715/amd-24-3-1-drivers-unlock-rx-7900-gre-memory-oc-limits-additional-performance-boost-tested

Not as much as I hoped for

But it still makes this a far better purchase then the 7800XT

[wheat plume]

????

Wayland
Pipewire
Easy to use installers
Helluva lot more software and hardware support
Can actually game on it now

[frozen ingot]

its not though, its made jack shit of progress with the mainstream userbase

its still a neckbeard OS

its still extremely difficult for the average user to use it efficiently

or figure out how to get all their stuff working

what the linux nerds/users has to say about it is unfortunately completely irrelevant because they are not the average user

[frozen ingot]

these are things helpful to people already into the OS, its still not the slightest bit easier for people used to windows or mac os to figure out

so yes linux is more capable now than in 2007, but is it easier to use? no not in the slightest lol

[fair gull]

pretty sure even linus torvalds said he cant see linux based OSs become a mainstream desktop OS unless theres a big shift in how things are done

[frozen ingot]

the userbase is the problem essentially, a large portion of it doesn't want to see it become a pleb OS and takes pride in gatekeeping it

[fair gull]

i use linux quite a lot especially from the cli but i still cant get over how unnecessarily obtuse the desktop experience is

[frozen ingot]

yup, eventually what got me fed up with trying to bother as well

for a server I'd probably have more time for it

[ashen spindle]

I mean there are reasons I dont use linux but pretending nothing got easier since 2007 is a bit insane when there are a decent amount of desktop options that work just fine for common tasks

[fair gull]

the issue is that those desktop OSs like mint or ubuntu come preinstalled with those common things.. if you try to install more or find an alternative to what you saw in videos where its mostly windows etc its quite challenging

its better than in 2007 but still not on any level where it can compete with how easily macos and windows are used by a layman

[ashen spindle]

yeah I'm not saying it works flawlessly but compared to 2007 you can very much just use those

the comparison was how it was in 2007 not vs current windows

[astral haven]

But it looks like everything got worse since chromeos, Mac, and windows have improved faster and are all at a better place

[fair gull]

even 2007 windows is several magnitudes better than a current linux desktop

[ashen spindle]

still not the comparison point

2007 linux vs today linux

[fair gull]

imo it is the only real option for a server OS unless you use some business software that requires windows cause it only has builds for windows (bungled up german software ecosystems for example)

[fair gull]

id still say that for a general use desktop OS almost nothing has changed

[frozen ingot]

you'd have to dig around quite a bit to find those changes at least

[fair gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UZIwtHw99E

even in 2007 it had the most common tools preinstalled

id say most of the changes are things you really need to work yourself into and know that they particularly exist

[frozen ingot]

yep ubuntu and its deratives were well established by then

[fair gull]

for example what lana mentioned with wayland and pipewire... the normal user doesnt even know what these are if you name them.

so if they google something particular to those but with very generic terms you quickly run into issues

lets say how to output sound on 2 headphones ubuntu

and suddenly you gotta know what specific software for this is actually installed

[astral haven]

And windows does it automatically without you asking rofl

[fair gull]

no?

but its easily googled

and the ui for the sound settings is virtually unchanged since XP

[astral haven]

You haven't had to deal with default communication device?

[fair gull]

i did but it doesnt duplicate audio output

windows apps can only send audio to one specific audio device

[astral haven]

Oh yea
But it outputs audio to 2 different headphones

Depending on the app

[fair gull]

yes but i meant as in both headphones output the exact same audio at the same time

or even speaker/headphones or whatever combo

[astral haven]

That would be useful
Something microsoft does on its own without asking (that we notice) often isnt

[fair gull]

but the point is while linux distros may have a lot of under the hood changes that are generally good since 2007 till today... the desktop users experience is basically unchanged and just getting more complex everytime the under the hood software changes

[wheat plume]

No?

Plug in two headphones and only one will play audio

[astral haven]

Read the rest of the convo

[wheat plume]

Not really
Desktops have gotten a lot lot easier to use now

Especially plasma and gnome

And budgie

[astral haven]

In what way

[wheat plume]

Installing software is a lot easier now

Especially since most distro use Flatpak too
Just open the software app and search

Click install

[fair gull]

ok how do i know what software to look for

[wheat plume]

You can browse categories

To find things

If the name doesn't show up

[fair gull]

ok so i watch a video on yt see a software that has functions i want and then just browse categories until i find a linux equivilant that sort of works the same

because for windows macos you can literally just google this

and itll give you 200 more apps

[wheat plume]

You can Google "office app for Linux" and it shows libre office, wpd, only office, etc etc etc

[fair gull]

ok and then it says use apt

[wheat plume]

Or just go to the office category in the software app

[fair gull]

and suddenly that app software thing is useless

[wheat plume]

It won't
It'll say use Flatpak

[fair gull]

that was an example but ok itll say flatpak

or snapd

[wheat plume]

Yeh

[fair gull]

great still useless then to have the software install thing

[wheat plume]

And you click download
It'll download the ref file
And you click to open it and the software app will open and you click install

[fair gull]

yes will 100% work for all linux software

[wheat plume]

Quite a lot of most often used apps
And the list is getting larger each week

[fair gull]

you know the same way downloading an exe and running it works for all windows apps

since years and years

[fair gull]

lol

[wheat plume]

Dafuq is that app

[fair gull]

something a user might want to use

for taxes

and sees youtube tutorials for

[wheat plume]

Windows only software
Yeah
That ones an issue

[astral haven]

It's only the most common tax prep software

[fair gull]

the fact is the layman (so not you lana but a random person picked of the street) would just use google and youtube to find software that they wanna use and tutorials. and most of those will only exist for macos/windows. if there is a linux software it will most likely be either convoluted to install due to requiring bash scripts in the cli or such OR there will be no tutorials around (meaning they would prob not find it and try it)

[wheat plume]

Most people trying to install software even on Windows just type the app name into Google and go from there

So yeah
That doesn't always work on Linux. But usually the solution is easier

[fair gull]

exactly and then its as easy as download 1 singular file and itll work

[delicate cliff]

just ordered mine is the time accurate?

[astral haven]

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=365003

Quickbooks seems like it's got an online version but I've never seen anyone use it before

[fair gull]

linux needs to change to accomodate literal deadsimple ways of 1 click installs basically

otherwise it just wont take of as a mainstream OS

[wheat plume]

That issue would be solved if all the apps were in Flatpak

Or AppImage

Those are simply download and install

No issues

[fair gull]

i mean via googling

[wheat plume]

Yeh
Google
Go to app website
Download Flatpak ref or AppImage
Click it
Opens the installer
Click install
Done

[fair gull]

just so we dont get an the install software store thing can do it then

even nicer would be adopting the macos approach but windows doesnt either so its ok

[wheat plume]

MacOS
Android
iPhone

Some windows users

They are all used to launching the software app and typing the name of the app and clicking install

That's how it works most of the time on Linux too

[fair gull]

ngl

i never searched anything in a store in macos or android

i just go to google

google it

and click install

and its done

[wheat plume]

??

Even on Android it takes you to the store even after going on the app website

[fair gull]

yes but i never actively open the store

[fair gull]

and a yt video can literally put a link to the software in the description which might take me to the store but i never actively search in the store

[wheat plume]

That's an odd way to do so

Using a YouTube tutorial to install an android app from play store

[fair gull]

thats how i always do it cause googling is way better as i can read reviews, watch videos etc

just as if id download an exe or such

all a store gives me is images and some text from the devs

no real user experience

also a lot of macos apps still use DMG files not the app store

(i prefer those anyway cause its free portable app versions)

[rocky canopy]

you do what?

[fair gull]

https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+tax+software

literally a search someone would do... the os name and a generic search

and with both windows and macos its very easy to install the software just from a search like this plus you get the benefit of often times seeing comparisons etc without going back and forth a lot

[rocky canopy]

i see

[fair gull]

id really hope for linux to get better with this in the next 10years or so as it would bring device prices down a lot

[wheat plume]

By at least 100 Euro yeah

[fair gull]

well 50-150 id say

the OEMs get quite a huge discount on keys

[wheat plume]

They don't pass that discount on to consumers though

[fair gull]

so for home editions not much saved but the laptops that come with pro by default could see quite a good discount

[wheat plume]

Google voice typing is still awful

Or maybe it's just my accent. Who knows

[fair gull]

idk never had success with it myself

although siri also dislikes me and misunderstands my stuff