🔌│tech

[vagrant pagoda]

And it fucks with the entire thing because it adds input noise

[umbral heron]

I can tell you, there's huge difference, especially when side to side

[astral haven]

no clue which, if you can find the data, please provide, if its 110w into 8 ohms itll be 53db off of whatever DR they measured either way

[cursive summit]

Yeah but as a gaming device the thing WILL burn in fast

[vagrant pagoda]

Pretty sure it's way more than 110 watts in 8 ohm lol

[cursive summit]

Games have a fuck ton of static assets

HUD, etc

[astral haven]

lets be clear tho, high sensivitivy tweeters are in the 100db range, where iems in the 120s are commonplace

[cursive summit]

Is there burnin mitigation with the Deck?

[vagrant pagoda]

They're used a lot to drive ribbon tweeters which are extremely sensitive

[umbral heron]

I have over 300h in, no burn in whatsoever

[ashen spindle]

doesnt matter unless you litearlly just stick to one game for like 1000+ hours

[vagrant pagoda]

Also I never said they would be great for headphones just that they would work lol

[cursive summit]

I've heard someone do a Fallout 4 longplay and the HUD burned into their display

[vagrant pagoda]

Cuz I have used it to drive over the ear before

[cursive summit]

That was a few years back though

[astral haven]

ribbon tweeters are on the upper end, and they are generally around the mid 90s of sensitivity

[astral haven]

thats high impedance tho

[vagrant pagoda]

Yep

[astral haven]

those amps are usually voltage limited

so high impedance is really good for performance

iems are often only around double the impedance of speakers, vs the 3x to 20x that headphones usually are

and some overears are not amazingly sensitive

as long as you dont blow them up, 600ohm headphones on speaker amps is apparently super awesome

[crisp granite]

actually
genuine question
how does someone do a fallout 4 "longplay"

[vagrant pagoda]

But yeah the 77 is like the best solid state amp from a major electronics company. You have to get to boutique stuff to get better

[crisp granite]

I found myself having exhausted all the content within 70 hours

including DLC

[vagrant pagoda]

Took me like 10+ years to find one.i could afford

[cursive summit]

Last year I spent like 3 weeks straight on an ultramodded FO4 play

[vagrant pagoda]

Def worth it

[crisp granite]

tbh, with a lot of the F4 overhaul and new campaign mods coming out
I can definitely see myself playing it for more than 100 hours on a playthrough

[cursive summit]

Yeah FO4 has a lot of big content mods out

[vagrant pagoda]

I can't wait for Nv in 4

[astral haven]

THD: -130 dB, 16 ohms, 1 mW: 0.000032%
My current amp

Noise (A-wt): 1.2 uV

its pretty solid lol

it also maxes at 3wpc

[unkempt lake]

Fallout 4 more like boring

New vegas better

[crisp granite]

that's obvious

but the best mod for F:NV

is TTW

[vagrant pagoda]

XD

Scaled to 200w it would be pretty mid lol

[smoky frigate]

fallout 4 was good on survival difficulty, but it was the only thing that made it enjoyable for me

[crisp granite]

I will mention that F4VR is going to be fun as hell with overhauls, new content mods, and whatever else
especially the F3 and NV remake mods

[astral haven]

nah lmao
in the same scenario as your amp, it would still have 106db of DR on my iems

wait no 96

where your amp does 54

[crisp granite]

I kinda see F4VR being the "ultimate fallout experience" given a myriad of mods

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/XhwFp6lMOcQ

I love this concept 😍 so pretty

[cursive summit]

Windows phone could come back

[smoky frigate]

I would have almost gotten a bindows phone in the past, the UI was very clean looking

[cursive summit]

And it'd prolly be pretty good

[wheat plume]

I loved the 8.1 UI so much

And the amazing smooth and fun animations too

Soooo nice to use

And how all the apps used the same UI design and all had dark theme

[frozen ingot]

bindows phone was underrated tbh

[smoky frigate]

they shitcanned it when I had almost gotten one, glad I waited

[wheat plume]

I used to have a lumia 640

Was a good phone

[reef patrol]

https://youtube.com/shorts/R7fH0KYjpBQ

OpenAI apparently doesn't just to text prompts to video. It will eat your video and you can tweak that.

[wheat plume]

Windows 8.1 and eventualky 10

[frozen ingot]

quite ahead of its time in some aspects

[wheat plume]

But I hated 10

I reversed back to 8.1

[frozen ingot]

but people had already decided which two they would run with

[wheat plume]

Not people
App devs ..

Devs didn't make their apps available on it

[frozen ingot]

app devs go where the customers are tho

[wheat plume]

Snapchat
Messenger

There was no app or alternative for those

There was a nice few YouTube clients though

Using the windows 8.1 UI language

Live tiles
Dark theme
Animations
All there

[smoky frigate]

now I only hope they won't go the fapple route of making me use stupid MS apps to interface with phone

[wheat plume]

If they want consistent design then they would

Though Microsoft don't seem to care about UI consistency

[unkempt lake]

https://www.gematsu.com/2024/02/ps-vr2-to-add-pc-support-in-2024

[cursive summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6Teh_ox-8

This was quite cool

Not too happy with the whole racial thing that's going on nowadays

[vagrant pagoda]

have nvidia made support for the required output?

last i looked the issue with support on pc was video output is limited to rnda2

[crisp granite]

I call bullshit
you'd need some wonky adaptor unless you have a card equipped with "display link"

which was only on the RTX 2000 cards iirc

[vagrant pagoda]

there are adapters

[astral haven]

and turing -_-
nah you can get adapters

[vagrant pagoda]

there is working thridparty psvr2 on pc right now

[unkempt lake]

Amd 7900xtx reference models have usb c built in

Ngl tho i don't have much care or thoughts about VR

[vagrant pagoda]

no driver support

go check ivry

[unkempt lake]

Just thought i'd share

My 2080 had a usb c and i never used it lol

[vagrant pagoda]

the issue is the driver is fucked with nvidia and wont output the requirded dsc 1.1 signal

[astral haven]

actually its plug and play as a monitor, nvidia just needs to add it as a vr device and its done

[vagrant pagoda]

nope

[astral haven]

https://mixed-news.com/en/playstation-vr-2-becomes-a-vivid-monitor-on-some-pcs/

heres someone using it as a monitor on a 2080ti, including through the lens photos

it doesnt work as a vr headset

[wheat plume]

Im actually dumb
I was wondering what would happen if you ordered more cards than your framework laptop can use at once.... they jsut come in their own box so you slot them in anytime you wanna use them LOL

IDK why I thought they were preinstalled

[vagrant pagoda]

there is something with the video signal that isnt right

it techically works

but not correctly

i belive sony uses dsc slice to make the area youre looking at sharper

[astral haven]

it works correctly as a monitor, it doesnt vr

[vagrant pagoda]

which nvidia dosenty support

[unkempt lake]

You have a framework?

[astral haven]

ivry has hacky stuff to make it kinda work with vr, but sony will work with nvidia directly probably

[vagrant pagoda]

no vr works perfectly

[astral haven]

nope

[vagrant pagoda]

sony's is streaming to a ps5

[wheat plume]

no

[vagrant pagoda]

yes it dose

[wheat plume]

but I wish I did

[vagrant pagoda]

the video output dosent

[astral haven]

ivry works well enough

[vagrant pagoda]

you can plug the psvr2 into a amd gpu, and render on nvidia

and it works

[astral haven]

not without ivry translating

[vagrant pagoda]

yes

im talking about ivry

[astral haven]

sony and nvidia will make it work without ivry

[vagrant pagoda]

there is a driver bug with dsc on nvidia gpus on windows

so its not a ivry or psvr issue

its a driver issue

[astral haven]

no its intentional

[vagrant pagoda]

also sonys annoucement is about STREAMIKNG pc games to your ps5

so nvidia isnt doing anything

you can already render on a nvidia gpu and output to the headset via amd gpu

[astral haven]

not without ivry

ivry is not native

[vagrant pagoda]

yoiure missing the point

nvidia isnt fixing anything for sony

as its going to stream your pc to your ps5 to output to psvr2

[astral haven]

you are missing the point, it works as nvidia intends right now

[vagrant pagoda]

so the nvidia bug will not matter

[wheat plume]

Its really cool that Framework just sell you a Western Digital SSD if you order one for your laptop, they dont brand their own from some OEM like other brands do

WD Black :D

[crisp granite]

that's great Lana
just swell

[wheat plume]

IKR

my laptop has a branded SSD from the OEM 🤢

[timber mantle]

Whoms't the fuck is Lana?

[wheat plume]

and it doesnt support SMART 🤦‍♀️

so if its dying, I wont know

YAY /S

[vagrant pagoda]

also the nvidia bug is always present even if you use the psvr as a monitor

[cursive summit]

Oh look, a new guy

[wheat plume]

LOL

[steep creek]

kinda excited for this, wonder if it makes me less dizzy than the quest3

[wheat plume]

me

[halcyon moss]

Most laptops I've had.. Had Branded ssd

[timber mantle]

I was being sarcastic

[wheat plume]

my Linux SSD is WD Black!

[wheat plume]

same!

/S

[vagrant pagoda]

but if youre on am5 you can use the igpu to connect a psvr2 to a nvidia gpu render

[astral haven]

the only "bug" is that nvidia treats it as a monitor, giving you a mirrored view without prompting you for any installs

[vagrant pagoda]

that isnt the bug

go read ivry big ass write up on how the psvr2 uses dsc

[wheat plume]

🤔 you dont need to unplug the battery when removing or installing the SSD in the Framework... how did they avoid possible issues with that?

[vagrant pagoda]

ps5 uses dsc as part of the fovated rendering

nvidia gpus have a bug in dsc that prefvents it from working

[astral haven]

i dont think you are trying to understand what im saying
nvidia is having it work as a monitor intentionally
everything besides that isnt part of the functionality

[vagrant pagoda]

but it has nothing to do with nvidia not supporting psvr2

its driver has a bug that prevents it from corretly doing dsc to spec

its just nothing else uses that part of the dsc spec

[astral haven]

a bug that introduces intended functionality is not a bug

[vagrant pagoda]

how is it a intended function

[astral haven]

the amd gpus can be modified to use the thing as a vr headset, however the lack of blocking vr headset parts causes windows to complain if you dont use something like ivry

on nvidia you can plug it in and it doesnt whine at you, it just displays a monitor

[vagrant pagoda]

it dose the same thing as nvidia if you plug into amd

[astral haven]

except for windows whining at you

steamvr also whines

according to the article

[vagrant pagoda]

nope it shows as a 1080p display

[astral haven]

ivry fixes that, but nvidia doesnt have that issue to begin with

[astral haven]

when did i say anything to the contrary?

[halcyon moss]

This is usually not an issue

[wheat plume]

oh?

[vagrant pagoda]

on amd it just works as a 1080p display

same as nvidia

[astral haven]

and what did i say about that

[wheat plume]

thought it could cause a static shock or whatever?

[vagrant pagoda]

steamvr dosent see it as a headset

just a display

[astral haven]

and what did i say about that

[vagrant pagoda]

youi said windows wines and steamvr wines

they dont

they treat it like a monitor

[astral haven]

everything ive said said they both prompt to install drivers

where that doesnt happen on nvidia

[astral haven]

read

[vagrant pagoda]

and that has nothing to do with the nvidia driver bug

[astral haven]

[citation needed]

how could they block the parts that make windows and steamvr realize its a vr headset without blocking foveated rendering functionality?

[vagrant pagoda]

its a bug in dsc

[wheat plume]

did he not install the bezel properly or is that large gap always there?

[vagrant pagoda]

if you have the dongle from ivry

it will show up and "work" as a vr device on nvidia

it just wont display anything

becuase there is a bug in nvidias dsc implentation

[astral haven]

tell me what you think my response would be to that

[vagrant pagoda]

you also requre the same dongle on amd

[astral haven]

wrong

[vagrant pagoda]

unless you use a modded driver on linux

[astral haven]

thats not the response i would give at least

[vagrant pagoda]

on windows you need the dongle

[astral haven]

so ion, what did i say nvidia did?

[vagrant pagoda]

it has nothing to do with just the psvr2

if another display used the same dsc setup

it would fail on nvidia too

[astral haven]

if you cite something that isnt ivry also stating that I will concede

[vagrant pagoda]

also nvidia has acknowledged its a bug, and have a fix in the work that ivry has tested,

[astral haven]

you should already know my response to that if you were following along

[vagrant pagoda]

and i bet money sony will just make streaming to ps5 a thing

no chance sony makes it plug into a pc

[astral haven]

if that happens, nvidia will likely never unblock it

[crisp granite]

considering the wording of the statement, that would make sense

and I HATE THAT

[astral haven]

my claim that nvidia is ***intentionally ***blocking it (or leaving it broken) rather than it being a bug is that the varjos work

[crisp granite]

tbh the wording is neutral enough that it lends wiggle room

[vagrant pagoda]

how would nvidia know that someone would make a device to spoof the correct edid to get dsc to work on the pv2?

and then make a "bug" to prevent it from working

[astral haven]

nvidia likely made a blanket patch to make it treat the psvr2 as a monitor and arent changing it until sony does something

[vagrant pagoda]

the vr2 dose the monitor thing

[astral haven]

if ivry is working with them to get a workaround, then good for them

[vagrant pagoda]

it only sends a 1080p60 edid

[astral haven]

i am 100% confident that is not the full story

[vagrant pagoda]

you can plug it into a xbox with an adapter and it works as 1080p scren

[astral haven]

what did i say that would suggest otherwise

[vagrant pagoda]

this

the treating it as a monitor is because it identifies as a monitor

i cant link paid pateron posts

but ivry adapter works on nvidia, you just gert black screen

[astral haven]

why would amd gpus prompt you to install drivers if you dont install ivry

[vagrant pagoda]

if you screen cap it, the games work fine

[astral haven]

where nvidia doesnt

[vagrant pagoda]

nvidia gpus just fuck up the dsc so the psvr2 stays blank

[astral haven]

what do you think my response to that would be

[vagrant pagoda]

how would bidia know to put in a "bug" to make it display black?

you think they internally made the same adapter, then made it not work

[astral haven]

you already know how i would respond to that

[vagrant pagoda]

nvidia gpus see it with the right resoluition

with the dongle

you get no errors

it just dosent ouput because the dsc is borked

so nvidia would have to blacklist the resoltion

[wheat plume]

🤤

[halcyon moss]

16gb lol

That's not enough for my work

[wheat plume]

fair point ... this set of ram is 90 Euro

I skipped out on OS, SSD and PSU cause I have Linux, SSD and 65W charger, assuming it only needs 3A ...

[astral haven]

now sure we can argue about the patch being too aggressive, but nvidia chose that, and by the time ivry makes an adapter, nvidia would probably accomodate them

[wheat plume]

if it needs more than 3A, my charger cant do that 😢

[astral haven]

nvidia has the mechanisms to translate edid in driver already, so they could probably make the psvr2 work without a spoofer if ivry gets it working with spoofing

[halcyon moss]

How much does their charger cost?

[wheat plume]

Maybe I should stick with their ram 😅

[astral haven]

it can take whatever
it can take 20v3a or 12v5a apparently
it wont draw more than 60w

[astral haven]

just get jedec 5600mts ram

yup, xmp is muney

[halcyon moss]

Who is paying?

[wheat plume]

Im glad they all comre with a fingerprint scanner, usually brands skip that for the cheaper models in a series

ooohh...1.5A

My charger can handle that :D

[astral haven]

no

[wheat plume]

?

[astral haven]

input

output is 3a

[wheat plume]

oh, 3A output
my charger can handle that :D

[astral haven]

which yes yours can do

[wheat plume]

nice!!

[astral haven]

but if you can only do 3a, but also cant do 20v, you wont get 60w

[halcyon moss]

@wheat plume who is paying?you yourself?

[wheat plume]

i still regret not getting the 120W version of this charger, cause it cant charge my laptop and phone at the same time 😢 cause my laptop maxes out the 65W connection

[wheat plume]

not yet 😢

when this laptop dies in a few years ill get the framework

[halcyon moss]

Ooh.

[wheat plume]

im just fantasizing rn

[ashen spindle]

so why are you now speccing one out that wont exist as a thing to buy in a few years?

[wheat plume]

cause im fantasizing...

[halcyon moss]

And at work? Do you get a work laptop?

[wheat plume]

wishing I could get it

[wheat plume]

no 😢

[halcyon moss]

Wat

[wheat plume]

got to use my own personal machine -.-

[halcyon moss]

That's a big no no.

[pale sigil]

But you don't have a job?

[wheat plume]

I do starting monday

:D

[pale sigil]

Oh gz!

Also big no

Kinda

Guessing programming

[wheat plume]

my work experience during college, I had to use my own machine too

I still have all the documents and code and whatnot LOL
They never told me to delete it all

[pale sigil]

Eg I'm pretty sure Mansen uses his personal computer

[wheat plume]

so yeah.... casually got some classified code on my SSD

[halcyon moss]

It's probably in your contract

[pale sigil]

Meanwhile Rocky has a spare office with equipment and desktop just for his Wooting stuff and a discord account lol

[wheat plume]

I read the contract, there is no mention of a work laptop

[reef patrol]

I sure do! But Wooting also helps pay for some of my office stuff, since I work remote.

[wheat plume]

ooo hek

[wheat plume]

:D

[reef patrol]

Some stuff by law, some by company perks.

[wheat plume]

law?

[pale sigil]

I hope that included a chair

[wheat plume]

what parts are by law?

[pale sigil]

Xd

[wheat plume]

Can you get your workplace to legally pay for your electricity and internet bill while working at home? LOL

[reef patrol]

Stuff like ensuring I have access to a decent desk, a decent office chair and such.

The environment has to be suited.

[wheat plume]

ooohhh

[reef patrol]

I sure can. At least part of it.

[halcyon moss]

But yeah.. I don't know how big the Company Is and what it does.. But it's generally recommended for companies to supply the hardware.

[wheat plume]

OH XD

[reef patrol]

Some of it is due to how COVID changed remote work for many.

[wheat plume]

My friend's work experience company gave him a laptop AND A PHONE

[halcyon moss]

That's normal

[wheat plume]

he had to give back the laptop but he got to keep the phone after they wiped it

[halcyon moss]

That's not normal

[wheat plume]

no, its not

[reef patrol]

Yeah a laptop and phone are quite common, if they expect you to use them.

And usually if the phone is old enough, they'll let you pay a percentage to own it.

[astral haven]

its more common in private, here in public sector the phones are permanently locked to the company, and prevented from being reactivated 😦

[reef patrol]

My SO's work enforce iPhone ... 13s I think for everyone who needs to be reached.

[pale sigil]

My friend was allowed to keep his NAS when he left

[wheat plume]

hmm, iPhone?? I guess for iMessage right?

[pale sigil]

Was like £400 lol

[halcyon moss]

Anyway.. Good hardware is also beneficial to the company.. Waiting 3 instead of 10 seconds can be a big change of how attention and focus is

[astral haven]

iphones have very convenient management

[reef patrol]

I assume due to bulk discount and having a repair contractor.

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah apples corp manamnet is way ahead of googles

[pale sigil]

iPhones are easier to manageb

[reef patrol]

And it's easier to centrally manage one model of phone, rather than a bunch

[astral haven]

samsungs is better imo, but yea apples is good enough

[reef patrol]

If you don't have an iPhone here in Denmark, finding a repair shop that isn't "that one company that has the national service contact with MANUFACTURER" is hard outside of Apple.

There are no repair shops that'll touch my OnePlus here for example. Samsung being the biggest has a few, but it's a brutal ratio to Apple.

Every idiot and their cousin has a repair shop

[steep creek]

yeap they sure are popular

[unkempt lake]

I always found it so strange how apple doesn't directly do repairs there

At least to my knowledge

[astral haven]

yea
well you cant be the most valuable company in the world without having a solid market share

[halcyon moss]

A computer doesn't use that much power, maybe 1kwh per work day. ( I took a high value of around 100watt for 8 hours)

[wheat plume]

oh, even one with dGPU?

[fickle ore]

nice social study of the population

[halcyon moss]

A laptop will not draw 100w on mostly idle

[astral haven]

my workstation uses 160w including monitors
its a weak dgpu but its also not using 3d

[reef patrol]

Oh they do - But who has that kind of money.

Apple "we don't repair anything, buy a new one"

[halcyon moss]

And software dev is mostly idle work...

[wheat plume]

oooh....thats not bad

[wheat plume]

what GPU?

[unkempt lake]

I mean they don't even do battery swaps to my knowledge in denmark

Its whay im saying

[reef patrol]

I honestly can't remember. Been out of the game for years

[astral haven]

ewaste tier quadro

[wheat plume]

o

[unkempt lake]

I just remember nico wanting a battery swap and it being a pain lol

[halcyon moss]

Desktop or laptop?

[astral haven]

and yea for me thats $116 per year of electricity if i work from home every day

desktop

[unkempt lake]

https://twitter.com/3DCenter_org/status/1760582480422420860

3DCenter.org (@3DCenter_org) on X

Intel stability issue with Core i7+i9 of 13/14th Core generations (mostly "out of video memory" error while shader compiling in games) ⚡️🔥💥

Thread at Reddit:
https://t.co/90AO85RdHa

Thread at Steam:
https://t.co/y4tCksAPYP

OP from @Sebasti66855537:
https://t.co/Vcrxk8mJ50

Twitter · Feb 22, 2024, 8:29 AM

[halcyon moss]

I'd worry more about heating costs :p

[astral haven]

i had a laptop before but desktop is nicer and less in demand (so i got one with a dgpu lel)

[steep creek]

i think the stats should be somewhat similar in most of scandinavia

[astral haven]

yea the problem is that intel is doing that out of the box

ffs intel

intel pushes it real hard

[ashen spindle]

part of me wonders if the lower ARL PL2 targets are because of that

[wheat plume]

why does this happen??

why is it 74.97 and not 75?

and why is there a 59.94 option too?!

[astral haven]

https://sonix.ai/resources/what-is-drop-frame-vs-non-drop-frame-timecode/

[reef patrol]

TV.

[astral haven]

its messed up nonsense, generally this doesnt matter in the slightest

[smoky frigate]

varies between drivers for me

and screens. I have to test to be sure. running an older nv driver right now, because g-sync kinda sucks in newer releases

but I am pretty sure newer driver versions rounded the numbers

[astral haven]

but if you are watching a movie, 1/1000 frames will be duplicated if you are watching standard ntsc video on a 30.00hz display

[smoky frigate]

I can't still entirely wrap my head around telecine

[digital cliff]

that's a long article and still they don't explain why they needed a change from 30 to 29.97

it just says that they did, which doesn't really answer the question

[astral haven]

they basically wanted a rational number of frames in an hour

[digital cliff]

and 30fps doesn't get you there?

[astral haven]

yea thats why they wanted to switch to 30hz

[digital cliff]

so I wanna know why they went to 29.97

[astral haven]

oh thats way back

[smoky frigate]

it's probably some quirk of NTSC roight

[astral haven]

yep
tvs used to be 30hz, but when they added color, they shortened each frame by a tiny bit to add the color data

[smoky frigate]

oh color burst

[astral haven]

yep

while we dont actually have a color burst any more, the broadcast standards are written in stone and we have to deal with them

[astral haven]

back then the timing wasnt super precise, and relied on the timing from the actual physical tv signal rather than interpreting anything

[smoky frigate]

"dumb" screens like that let you fool them into running FreeSync on them, I managed to do it on a CRT once

[astral haven]

but on a movie you are playing back on your computer, if your computer picks the wrong one, for every hour of video data, you will be missing 3.6 seconds of audio ( which you will notice unless your player stretches it)

[smoky frigate]

wasn't entirely successful because it would try and re-sync the signal once it went outside of whatever range it expected to display right now

but with a dumber monitor it would have worked

[vague needle]

Strobing is so crisp looking

I miss it from my old asus monitor

[steep creek]

sony tv dolby vision surprised me, i was checking out the a90k and a95k, to me at least they were fantastic

paired with atmos it was a nice movie watching experience

Can’t do samsung anymore for tvs personally, I don’t enjoy the viewing angles of va or whatever it is they use

Maybe I’ll pick up one day bc my desktop is mostly only used when I have free time lol

I was afraid of screen burn in leaving static images on it all day

31 will be a step up from my 27” though not sure if I like it or not

Fair

Too much stuff I want to buy, can’t decide on one so I end up buying nothing for now 😂

[timber mantle]

I dunno if I can downsize from 34" after the last few years

[astral haven]

32 is more area

[timber mantle]

Uh come again?

[thick elk]

That would be my biggest reservation with oleds, 90% of the time it will be displaying a mostly white image with the same few static elements. I will also be running the damn thing for a lot of hours a week.

I may get one sometime but I will know that my use case is relatively prone to burn in. I may still get one though, after all I don't need a lot of brightness most of the time, so that should compensate.

[ashen spindle]

my recommendation is, if its worth the purchase if you get 5ish years out of it by returning it at the end of the 3 year burn in warranty if it does happen for you, then its a purchase you should make

[thick elk]

I'll wait for the next gen probably and let it depend on how much gaming I do at the time.
After all work money does make the cost much easier to swallow

[astral haven]

im hoping for higher res larger screens

[hasty thunder]

did anyone see NoVideos attempt of replacing the CP and Experience btw?

[astral haven]

42 inch 5k or 48 inch 6k

[steep creek]

I may be wrong but is lcd still better than oled monitors for text clarity?

[astral haven]

on 4k 32 inch it really shouldnt make a difference

unless you get it really close

[hasty thunder]

nope, LCD's still better in that case

[astral haven]

you only really get text pain at 100% scaling, 125 or 150 depending on how sensitive you are pretty much fix it entirely

[steep creek]

I’m not that close to my monitor so guess that’s fine

When I program I have the text size larger than default anyways

[ashen spindle]

I dont have text clarity issues on my first gen qdoled, tim from hub said he noticed it very much but not anymore on the newer gens

so while it's still "worse" it shouldnt matter anymore

[steep creek]

That’s good news

[hasty thunder]

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/k6aDBetYP5c

🤤

I want

whats wrong with the 13 screen??

im all good with 60 on my laptop tbh

dont use it for anything that needs more

brightness might be an issue though, how many Nits?

where are the reviewers getting the additional wifi card??

its not an option in the configurator

[steep creek]

I can understand preferring a 13/14 over 16 for commuting purposes but personal preference I guess

[wheat plume]

aha!

honestly, I know Intel wifi cards work great in Linux, so i probably get one of those, despite the CPU being AMD

what one comes preinstalled???

huh?

13.5 inches

Im assuming, since they say that Fedora works out of the box, that whatever wifi card it uses by default is fine???

no idea....

no clue what card it uses by default

this video pointed out that the webcam is not exactly in the center of the top bezel

AND NOW I CANT UNSEE IT

.-.

[steep creek]

https://www.reddit.com/r/framework/s/7rBNsHE3SU

The pinned comment talks about WiFi card for Linux

[wheat plume]

I hate the word uses for Pinned messages

STICKIED

[steep creek]

lol that’s news to me, thought it was pinned

[wheat plume]

tbf, i didnt know comments could be pinned on Reddit

😅

YIKES THAT PRICE

oh my

[astral haven]

i mean thats not horrible

[steep creek]

I guess you can save by not adding on memory and ssd, bring your own

[wheat plume]

I need to pay for RAM somewhere, either their RAM or try to find RAM that will works since XMP isnt supported on the Framework

but as for SSD, OS and charger, I have all those already

the DIY already has the webcam installed

the DIY has everything installed other than RAM, SSD, Keyboard, bezel and touchpad

and the IO cards

but those arent technically assembling it cause they arent installed in the preinstalled version either id imagine

I love that the display rotates all the way flat

my current laptop has a very small angle that I can push it back and a lot of the time its not enough :/

[steep creek]

That’s a feature I enjoy a lot, along with a touchscreen. Makes presenting in class a lot easier haha

If it had the option for a touchscreen I’d be very interested

[astral haven]

full on tablet is even nicer imo

[steep creek]

Yeap though I already have an iPad unfortunately

[astral haven]

🤷 a single device replacing a laptop and an ipad is better imo

[steep creek]

You’re talking about the surface pro right?

[wheat plume]

Minisforum V3 <3

honestly, thats mega tempting too

[astral haven]

yep surface pro and minisforum

[wheat plume]

🤤

[astral haven]

im also interested in the new dual screen devices

[wheat plume]

oh yeah

[steep creek]

Don’t know to be honest, there are some conveniences of having an iPad at least for me

[astral haven]

https://www.asus.com/us/laptops/for-home/zenbook/asus-zenbook-duo-2024-ux8406/

[wheat plume]

yeah...the webcam ever so slightly off-center

[astral haven]

while true, given that i have the option of either for work, and the surface just works better on everything ive thrown at it, its hard to justify getting the ipad...

[steep creek]

That trackpad being more indented on the left side is kinda annoying me 😅

[astral haven]

and thats with the disadvantage that we cant get cell service for our surfaces, and we can for our ipads

[wheat plume]

webcam better than modern macbooks

hes moving slightly hence the face blur

[astral haven]

if you have a macbook you probably should have an iphone, and you can use the iphone as a macbook webcam so...

[wheat plume]

you can do that on Android too :D

but not wirelessly 😢

only cable

[astral haven]

sometimes

[steep creek]

I am usually always connected to WiFi at university, rare times I tether from my phone. I don’t really have any good reasons to tell you other than it’s the integration between my other Apple devices and iPad that work well, in my use case

Find it convenient to airdrop between classmates and such, since a lot of my friends have iPads too

[astral haven]

thats self defeating argument tho
i use this worse thing because i got bullied into it by advertising

and classmates apparently

[steep creek]

Not really bullying more so just convince or laziness lol. I know there are ways to share files but airdropping just makes it easier

But I guess the more important reason is that this is what I’m used to, hard to get away from something I’ve always used

[astral haven]

unless you spend 5 minutes actually trying to use the workflow on android or windows

disbelief that what you do is possible is not an argument
having made an effort before is however

[steep creek]

I think it’d be easier to swap over to an android tablet than surface, don’t know though just speculating

[astral haven]

anything an android tablet can do, a surface can do, however surfaces have far better multitasking and much wider app support

[steep creek]

Multitasking on the tablet is not needed since it’s mostly just in one app all day anyways

[astral haven]

the disadvantages are worse screens (vs samsung) and worse battery

[wheat plume]

If I get the V3
I'm putting Linux on it

Gnome desktop on touchscreen is amazing

[steep creek]

Battery is very important to me since i don’t (or very rarely) have opportunities to charge in the lecture halls

[astral haven]

so the wider app support gives you more options for what app that is
but youd be surprised how nice it is to have other programs available

[steep creek]

I just use the same app for note taking though

Been using it almost since i started the degree haha

[astral haven]

sure but are all your notes best managed by that one app?
different programs are good for different types of notes

[steep creek]

Yes I believe so, I mean I have classmates that manage just fine on pen and paper

[astral haven]

i dont think you mean to imply that you actually have found the best, and neither do i,
however knowing that i dont know everything, i try to keep my options open

[steep creek]

Of course there are lots of other note taking apps. I’ve just settled on this one because I like it and it does everything I need it to do

Main reason I switched to digital notes is because it got tiresome organizing between multiple subjects and having to scan paper to submit it as an assignment

[astral haven]

and i find searching pen and paper is far too slow

maybe for school writing is better, i was never very good at school anyways so idk

[steep creek]

Personally I prefer writing over typing too, I find i don’t focus well on what the professor is saying when trying to type alongside

[astral haven]

but i have an immense amount to remember, our documentation is around 500 pages for pretty much purely internal stuff, and the old notebook of documentation is still around and is incredibly awful

[steep creek]

You must have good memory that’s awesome

[astral haven]

nah my memory is atrocious, i just know how to search the docs

[steep creek]

Ah fair, it takes a while for me to learn / memorize new things but usually fine after a while

[astral haven]

hopefully you can find a carreer where all of the infrastructure doesnt get uprooted and migrated every 1,3, or 6 years lol

[steep creek]

Lol professor keeps telling us we’re set for the future, I hope he is right

[astral haven]

school should be for general concepts that apply to any job in the profession

the actual job duties will likely have this sort of change, and if you understand the theory, adapting is easier

[steep creek]

Yeah you’re right, and the learning process never stops either

[astral haven]

yup

[steep creek]

Also there are some tasks that are best done on a computer for example you’re right on that. For block diagrams I remember my professor calling it Microsoft figma think it’s called? Could also do some block diagrams in altera / quartus

I wouldn’t for example hand draw circuits, could but it doesn’t look nice on assignments

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ceo-to-keynote-at-computex-2024-on-june-3rd-zen5-incoming

[astral haven]

we use visio mostly, tho i just found yED and im considering investigating if we can migrate to that

[steep creek]

Oh it was visio actually, I was mixing up figma with something else

I will check out yed

Take care though, I need to head off

[vague needle]

Figma is for app UI development/mockups

[ashen spindle]

Confused how they don’t mention rdna4 and just guess it’s cpus

[frozen ingot]

why does it look like she has grillz or something in the pic

[empty wren]

Veneers you mean

[reef patrol]

https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/facial-recognition-error-message-on-vending-machine-sparks-concern-at-university-of-waterloo-1.6779835

Your daily dose of dystopian cyberpunk.

[hasty thunder]

dafuq

[umbral heron]

[reef patrol]

[umbral heron]

Der Release auf den Mährobotern von Husqvarna hat jedoch den offiziellen Segen von Bethesda erhalten.

[vagrant pagoda]

Lmao

[umbral heron]

Is Meta Quest 2 okay/okay-ish? Colleague wants to sell me his used one for €250 or so

[raw zephyr]

i got one, yeah it's nice

[fair gull]

i also mostly heard good stuff about it

[raw zephyr]

it's the best entry to vr you can get imo

standalone device, runs most famous games, ability to connect to steamvr

[fair gull]

the only downsides i heard were the controllers can break easily from couche height drops onto harder floors and i think on higher refresh rates it tended to run warmer and make you sweat more which doesnt work out well with the quest 2s foam pad thingy

[shrewd cipher]

Doesnt it require you to create a fb account?

[raw zephyr]

oh yeah i replaced the face interface with a 3rd party one

not anymore, just meta/oculus account

[solemn blade]

i’ve owned every iteration of oculus headset except for the pro and my most used by far is the quest 2

[raw zephyr]

this replacement interface is a must imo https://eu.vrcover.com/collections/all/products/facial-interface-foam-replacement-basic-set-for-oculus™-quest-2

[shrewd cipher]

Okay, hope that solved the issue where ppls account got flagged for being a bot and therefor loosing all their games xD

[solemn blade]

better headstrap is also a good investment but you can make do with the original for a while

[umbral heron]

Ok, I'll ask him about it then
If it's not in a good shape maybe I'll pick up one from Amazon, here in local shops they're like €400 or so...

[steep creek]

rofl

[pale sigil]

Doesn't something like that come with it now anyway?

[halcyon moss]

html animations will do that

[raw zephyr]

when i got mine you get textile face interface, not hygienic at all

also not as comfortable imo

[ashen spindle]

A better headstrap is a must, the default band is going to break your neck otherwise from the front faced weight distribution

But otherwise it’s nice for that price

Wait you can get a new one for 240€

Don’t buy used then I guess lol

[ashen spindle]

https://www.alternate.de/html/product/100038565 235

[umbral heron]

I mean I'll go with new one anyway
His standards and mine of something being "in a very good condition" are... quite different

[pale sigil]

Thing on the bottom right

[ashen spindle]

quest 2 and 3 are both nice, 3 obviously nicer but cost more, but the 1 thing you need is a headstrap for both of them

[pale sigil]

Idk if that's what you meant by textile face

[raw zephyr]

that's just like a "skin", it doesn't feel good at all and it barely holds on for me

[old marlin]

tbh the quest 3 one works pretty well for me

[pale sigil]

Fine for me personally

Idk if I would ever spend more money on my quest 2 tbh

Strap sucks though

[ashen spindle]

It’s bad for longer use

[old marlin]

I'd first solve my face sweating

[pale sigil]

That's why I like the cover

It stops my sweating getting into the eyes etc

[ashen spindle]

The cover helps with sweat the strap stops from it breaking your neck

[pale sigil]

The strap doesn't do a good job and holding up the headset for me

Hate it, it becomes a little blurry unless I manually lift it a little.

[ashen spindle]

Yeah the normal one is shit

[pale sigil]

Quest 1 strap was almost perfect

[ashen spindle]

Plenty of cases where it really caused severe neck pain for people

Quest 1 was much lighter iirc

[umbral heron]

Hmm... I can see that 19% German VAT is included, I wonder how it's like for 23% Polish one
But shipment is only €13, so that's nice

[ashen spindle]

It means 4% more then

[pale sigil]

No idea but the strap in general was better

[umbral heron]

Just like that?

That'd be close to half the price of one in my local store

[ashen spindle]

well yeah poland for now is still in the eu

[cursive summit]

https://www.androidpolice.com/heres-what-googles-new-login-page-looks-like/

Minimalist sure is prevailing

[steep creek]

Its just a sign in page, is it that important haha

[old marlin]

what

[umbral heron]

Given how they announced it...

[old marlin]

what is peoples issue with that

that's a pretty mild change, yea

at least they let you enter a password instead of just sending you a 2fa code to your account

[old marlin]

thanks microsoft

[steep creek]

lol that one is annoying yeah

though you can set it up to work through the autenticator app too

[old marlin]

they forgot what the 2 in 2fa stands for

[cursive summit]

https://9to5mac.com/2024/02/20/apple-overtook-samsung-in-europe/

This is a big loss

The titanium disease is spreading

[frozen ingot]

people finally figuring out assmung is ass?

[cursive summit]

Both companies are ass

Just buy a proper phone, like idk.. a Sony

Speaking of cool shit

https://www.computerbase.de/2024-02/grafikkarten-preis-leistungs-verhaeltnis/

Best GPUs per price/perf in Europe

Arc sure is competitive

[frozen ingot]

tbh I wanted to but they were a bit rich for me and the software support is still terrible

really wish sony would get their shit together on that

[cursive summit]

I only see one negative in that sentence 👀

[frozen ingot]

its like they don't want people to buy their phones or something

[cursive summit]

Yeah they should lower the prices..

[frozen ingot]

or just, support the damn thing for more than the 2 years or whatever they offer now

[cursive summit]

Ew, support

Hell no

Huh, the 7800XT pulls its weight at 4K?

[steep creek]

Just a bit ironic that they focus on the environment by not including a brick or cable, but only two years of major software updates lol

[frozen ingot]

the device itself and its pricing isn't really any worse than the competition, but they really shooting themselves in the foot in some key areas

yeah all that greenwashing is all bs, they don't give a shit

its all about cutting costs

[steep creek]

you got it

[frozen ingot]

its a handy excuse though, you might even fool a few gullible plebs

[steep creek]

Probably yeah, I commend the companies who still include accessories in the box

Instead of having to go out and separately buy a cable and brick, which come in their separate packaging 😂

[frozen ingot]

I was fine not getting bundled earphones because they just suck ass anyways

but gib my goddamn charger back

[steep creek]

Yea I agree on the earphones, they weren’t necessary to use the phone I suppose

[frozen ingot]

apple straight up trolling their customers now by including a usb-c male to lightning male

oh you don't have a laptop or wallwart with a usb-c to plug into? tough shit lmao

[steep creek]

lol yea I remember back when I had one of those butterfly keyboard macs, all usb c but lightning on my iPhone

Had to go out and buy a dongle just to plug in the phone

[severe phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuLHRbalyGs

[frozen ingot]

I swear they just doing this shit out of spite

to get back at EU or something

so you forced us into changing our port, well have fun buying another new charger bitches

[steep creek]

Yeah seems they’re trying to find ways around these regulations

[crimson wigeon]

Hopefully they don't get away with this

[halcyon moss]

A proper Phone without software support

[cursive summit]

Best kind of phone

[crimson wigeon]

Software support is overrated anyway we didn't cry about that back in my day

[halcyon moss]

I did, but phones easily last 4 years now performance wise

I remember using a lot of custom roms to stay up to date

[cursive summit]

https://www.macrumors.com/2024/02/23/apple-vision-pro-front-glass-cracked-reports/

3.5 grand?

Where's the materials and engineering

[halcyon moss]

My g1 went through a lot of shitty roms

[cursive summit]

Fuckin Quest 3 is better quality than the Vision Pro

[sharp badger]

Smartphones get 7 year Android/Security upgrades nowadays though

[halcyon moss]

Not the Sony one

[sharp badger]

No

[halcyon moss]

And that why I cannot take that phone seriously

[steep creek]

i like the pixels, their collaboration with ifixit is also nice

[sharp badger]

Sony is 2 year android versions and 3 year security updates if i remember correctly

[halcyon moss]

For one of the most expensive Android phones that's just not good enough imho

[cursive summit]

Skill issue

Software support only makes your phone worse

[frozen ingot]

another vex take

[halcyon moss]

In what day and age do you. Live

Because it's not 2024

But maybe 2014 or something

[cursive summit]

I'd say 2016 was the best era

[cursive summit]

Yes it is, cause it's true

[crimson wigeon]

What's a G1

That's too modern!

[halcyon moss]

The first android phone

[cursive summit]

Phone updates provide nothing of value and only slow a device down

Has been and for the foreseeable future will continue to be a constant

[crimson wigeon]

Return me to the glorious Symbian days

[halcyon moss]

's e c u r I 't y

[cursive summit]

From what?

[crimson wigeon]

Yourself

[cursive summit]

Wtf are you doing that you need security lol

[halcyon moss]

Ok. I'm out

[frozen ingot]

yeah nah I had a few symbian phones and I don't particularly miss it

the hardware running it was great tho

[frozen ingot]

did you shave your brain or something, because it seems extra smooth today

[cursive summit]

I genuinely want to know the circumstances when you need "security" on a phone

[frozen ingot]

like, every fucking day?

[cursive summit]

Doing what?

[frozen ingot]

there's scam shit and malware spread around everywhere, people click on that shit constantly

[crimson wigeon]

Well considering how much important shit is on phones these days they better be secure

[cursive summit]

Not an issue on my part

[frozen ingot]

yeah well okay if you're a neckbeard with no friends or social connections it might not be a problem

but for normal people its a very real concern

[cursive summit]

I get plenty of scam calls, messages and emails, just have enough awareness not click on a link or anything that doesn't look right

[frozen ingot]

believe it or not but most people prefer not having their devices compromised and their private texts, pictures, bank account details etc leaked

my guy is unbelievably gullible at times, like holy shit

[steep creek]

i mean there are zero click exploits out there now, security is nice to have

[halcyon moss]

Sometimes you don't even need to click, just receive it

This is a hot vex take

[cursive summit]

Anyways, I don't have as much qualms with security updates, they are fine

[halcyon moss]

Very hot

And stupid

[cursive summit]

I have a lot of issues with android feature updates

Useless annoying bloat that slows down your device

[frozen ingot]

hot like a burning dumpster

[frozen ingot]

right, this shit keeps getting worse by the day, the security is barely keeping up as it is

[steep creek]

yea theres so much you have to be vary of

[frozen ingot]

for people less tech savvy than most of us here its an absolute lifeline

[steep creek]

maybe yoshitaka was right lol

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/15/japan-cyber-security-ministernever-used-computer-yoshitaka-sakurada#:~:text=Yoshitaka Sakurada%2C 68%2C said he,instructing his secretaries and employees.

[frozen ingot]

these days you can get haxxed in a single instance and have your whole life destroyed

[cursive summit]

https://www.phoronix.com/news/KDE-Slimbook-V

Ew, Linux

[latent mural]

Why are coiled cables good and which ones work with the wooting

[pine latch]

They look sick

[ashen spindle]

they aren't good they are the same just look different which some prefer

[marsh pewter]

coiled cables do the same thing as straight cables (if not worse, due to the longer length), so its just personal preference on what looks better. as what which ones are compatible, the wooting cables (obviously) and cablemod cables have been said by quite a few people to work. most coiled cables should work, but arent guaranteed to work with tachyon on full brightness or even 70%, you may need to lower your brightness a fair amount to get it to work.

[crisp granite]

reddit IPO document looks wild

AI is a big theme for monetisation...

[astral haven]

its probably now or never

[latent mural]

Ok thanks

[gusty kiln]

@astral haven did you get the update as well?

[astral haven]

yep

[gusty kiln]

oversaturated colors go brrrrrr

[astral haven]

🤷 i actually find it fine right now

[gusty kiln]

yeah it never bothered me when I first got it

[astral haven]

i definetly was a little unhappy about it

while yes it was more accurate, i dont like sdr clamping

i also thought they had messed up the white point

[final flame]

why haven't I tried slope eq's before
I like this so much

[astral haven]

-ear or speakers?

[final flame]

headphones

[latent mural]

its not just clicking links 😭

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egdV0NLoL-c

[marsh pewter]

the true best one is whichever suits your needs

[keen sparrow]

Is there any way to get the keyboard before the back order

The wooting 60he to be more precise

[marsh pewter]

no

well, not first hand

second hand ofc

[keen sparrow]

Do you think they could change that date?

[ashen spindle]

if the shipping happens faster for some reason

otherwise not really

[marsh pewter]

it’s an estimate so yes, it could change for better or for worse

[keen sparrow]

Do u guys have the keyboard. Is it worth the wait

[timber mantle]

Yes and yes

[marsh pewter]

100% worth it

[keen sparrow]

It says it will be at the warehouse March 18

That’s a long time

[marsh pewter]

it’s really not

you’ll get it in like a month tops

[timber mantle]

I waited 3 months when I ordered so the new shipping times always seem pretty decent.

[keen sparrow]

Or should I get an apex pro tkl

[marsh pewter]

that’s a funny joke

(don’t do that)

[keen sparrow]

He is saying less than a month but ur saying three

Which is itv

?*

[timber mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/good-joke-funny-hassantaker-watchmen-zack-snyder-gif-17793411

[marsh pewter]

he’s saying HE waited three months, the estimate on the checkout or on the hub should be accurate

[timber mantle]

Sorry, I'm saying that I waited back in 2022 and that wait times now are much shorter. I didn't mean to cause any confusion.

[keen sparrow]

Oh ok

[timber mantle]

My point was that they're getting shorter and shorter now.

[keen sparrow]

Would buying it second hand off eBay. Could it be fake

[marsh pewter]

probably not fake, but expect high prices

[timber mantle]

I think you can verify it if I remember correctly. Some folks have done that.

[keen sparrow]

Yeah, the high prices don’t seem worth it. But a month is kind of long. But I’m still 95% sure imma get it.

[marsh pewter]

you also don’t know what could be wrong with the board or how the previous owner used it

[timber mantle]

Fair. Especially considering how frequently the question about cleaning up after spills has become around here.

[keen sparrow]

Alr, thank u guys so much. You have been so much help to me. I was going to email wooting but this community is really strong and I have nice people like you who are willing to help. Thank u🥰

[timber mantle]

No problem. We love our keebs and definitely recommend them to others over the big players like Razer or Logitech.

[ashen spindle]

the deck also crashed whenever they tried to run F1 at 100% brightness

[thick elk]

One issue I do kind of hate with the deck is when using susspend / resume for a longer time at some point it has crackling audio until I restart the game.
This has been an issue since launch.

[solemn blade]

stand by this, theres something very satisfying about the decks interface

[astral haven]

@gusty kiln
1080p120 sdr >4k120 hdr with nvidias thing quality 4 uses 420w
even just q1 is over 200w

[gusty kiln]

damnn

[astral haven]

4k240 screen

starting at the base there, just playing the video is 100w
then adding hdr goes to 130, adding q1 brings it to 216 q2 is 260, q3 is 380 and q4 is stuttering at 420

holy smokes it wasnt 420
430 is my stock power limit and it was bouncing off of that

what a monstrosity

470w with hdr off

is nvidia intentionally crippling 30 series?

lets also note that i am playing a 1080p60 video at 2x speed, and this probably wasnt designed for that

normal speed is still 330w tho

[ashen spindle]

Send me a file to compare how it runs on my 4090

[hardy idol]

@old marlin hellooo

go dots or precut

what's the nicest

[lofty pivot]

They’re very different. Dots for more speed but they sink into softer pads and some people don’t like that

[hardy idol]

I have a glass pad

[hardy idol]

ig order both then?

they wear fast anyway, right

[lofty pivot]

dots fine for glass since they can't sink anyway. obsidian lasts a fair while actually

the dots are definitely more popular with glass pad users

[hardy idol]

ah okay

ill order those then

dots or donuts

what's the difference even

https://shop.x-raypad.com/shop/obsidian-diy-mouse-skates-universal-donuts/

https://shop.x-raypad.com/shop/obsidian-diy-mouse-skates-universal-0-8mm-ptfe-dots/

[cursive summit]

In..teresting.. https://nypost.com/2024/02/23/business/woke-google-gemini-refuses-to-say-pedophilia-is-wrong-after-diverse-historical-images-debacle-individuals-cannot-control-who-they-are-attracted-to/

Google do be like that

[frozen ingot]

sounds like a wikipedia page or smth

[cursive summit]

I do agree with some points I suppose, except for one, I guess, that "it's not a choice" part

It's very much a decision to be made, you hold responsibility for your actions

[ashen spindle]

I think that bullet points means its not a decision to like that, doing any action is still a decision to be made

but regardless dont think that's a good topic for discussion when it's supposed to bne about tech

[cursive summit]

Yepyep, just Gemini being weird that's all

Unironically Grok is complete antithesis and.. quite funny with the shit it generates even with supposedly being a ChatGPT wrapper

[frozen ingot]

well its not a choice to be attracted to x thing, it is a choice however to act on those urges on someone else

[ashen spindle]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/vending-machine-error-reveals-secret-face-image-database-of-college-students/

dystopian futures never worry me because I know someone will forget to rename "Invenda.Vending.FacialRecognitionApp.exe" so it will be found out

[steep creek]

rofl

[cursive summit]

https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/24/24081441/reddit-shares-redditor-ipo-user-risk

Redditors are reddit's biggest risk factor cause they are down to short reddit stock

Another GME situation incoming, invest while you can, we're in for a ride

[crisp granite]

it won't

frankly...the only red flag I need, and the one I expect

is that I'll end up hearing rumblings of unsolicted calls from advisors about getting in on the primary distribution

at that point, you know it's terribly shit because the vast majority of institutional money won't touch it

either that or Reddit will utilise their one real asset, turning users into the product even more so than they already are

and...well
best way to screw reddit is to just not use it, wipe accounts and whatever else

[astral haven]

@ashen spindle I was watching nimso studios latest devblog at 2x speed on YouTube in Chrome

[marsh glade]

That's actually hilarious and I am all for the irony of the meme. Go WSB go!

[cursive summit]

https://gadgettendency.com/microsoft-this-is-a-breakthrough-windows-11-will-update-without-rebooting/

Ayo

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-i-dont-believe-this-i-dont-believe-you-head-shake-no-gif-16327924

Updates.. without reboots..? No, impossible

[frozen ingot]

can't be done

microsoft ending the world

[halcyon moss]

Theres already a lot less rebooting

[unkempt lake]

Can't wait for system instability

[hardy idol]

it's technically possible to play tapes without unwinding them

[cursive summit]

https://vulcanpost.com/853029/dont-learn-to-code-jensen-huang-on-career/

[halcyon moss]

Sorta true. But some of the code copilot wrote me was very wrong

[steep creek]

yeah ive seen ai produce some wacky code

[cursive summit]

Just regenerate it until it makes sense or write it yourself

[marsh pewter]

I mean

most coding is copy and pasting anyways

[steep creek]

i guess you can keep regenrating it, but at that point might just write it yourself

ai is nice for inspiration and such sometimes though imo

[misty saffron]

good luck debugging with ai

[steep creek]

lol that story time at the end

seems like i haven't given lfsrs the credit they desserve hah

[fair gull]

do i spy a licensed lockheed set of an f22 https://cobi.eu/product/lockheed-f-22-raptor,13769

[steep creek]

i am obviously biased with my profile picture

[fair gull]

it looks do good

im tempted to buy it

[steep creek]

looks awesome for sure

I have a 777 set, no fighter one yet:(

[fair gull]

i already contemplated getting their other 1:48 jet models but the f22 is extra tempting cause its an f22

[steep creek]

Nice seems the wings on this one moves too

And hatch opens, I like it

[steep creek]

yea I relate to that

[final flame]

https://www.rabbit.tech/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAxOauBhCaARIsAEbUSQSck8UH_0OwcaoIloQ3nxCMraIazCUuAty3zCLwRnH4XZO__5WzsewaAt-1EALw_wcB

Interesting

[sonic smelt]

had a weird question, why isn't the wooting 60he or 60he+ pcba have south facing ?

[fair gull]

im slightly confused by the question. if its about the led position then the switches we use should be compatible with any profile. i personally cant notice any issues despite using a cherry profile keycap set

if its about something else please clarify

[cyan rampart]

It comes down to the keycaps thickness no? certain keycaps are thicc af

U can install the switch backwards also no? to negate the issue anyways

https://youtu.be/-KtpE1mv23s?t=2m26s

[sonic smelt]

i have side printed shine through keycaps and they wont illuminate with the north facing leds

just wondering

sorry for weird question, some of it got cut off before i hit send.

[sonic smelt]

Another weird question, will any wooting 60 get an update for 8000hz polling?

[ashen spindle]

nothing planned for now

and existing ones wouldnt get it since it needs new hardware

[sonic smelt]

what do you mean existing ones. Like the 60he?

[ashen spindle]

it cant be a software update it would need to be a new pcb/product

[sonic smelt]

oh ok gotcha thank you!

[uneven swallow]

Sooo I'm thinking of getting a keyboard and have a few questions.

How long until the 80HE is ready for preorder?

Any technical differences between the 80HE and the current keyboards?

Was looking to maybe buy a two HE but I would prefer a white keyboard. How come it's only available in black but with white keycaps to buy as extra?

Cheers!

[cyan rampart]

Q2/Q3 is the estimation date as of right now

80HE will have 8K polling & scanning, a knob add-on and gasket mounted

There's probs more but i forgor

[uneven swallow]

Ty! Will the 8k polling be big performance boost in your opinion? and could the high polling rate make the cpu of the pc have to work harder?

[marsh pewter]

realistically no and unlikely

[uneven swallow]

ty for answers!

[analog sinew]

https://youtu.be/YE9rEQAGpLw?si=M6h942ZKgE70pl_g

[cursive summit]

I've never heard of Microsoft DirectSR

https://videocardz.com/newz/microsoft-to-present-directsr-super-resolution-at-gdc-2024

So it's software level.. like AMD's AFMF

I think FSR2 and XeSS are also hardware level solutions

I wonder if they'll do frame gen

[ashen spindle]

no both fsr2 and xess run on all hardware

[cursive summit]

Well yes

But they are hardware level solutions

[ashen spindle]

how are they supposed to be hardware level when they arent doing anything special on hardware level

[halcyon moss]

xess apparently has a hardware level on intel gpus

[ashen spindle]

it has an extra version using intel matrix hardware yes but not default xess

[halcyon moss]

kk

[cursive summit]

My bad, FSR is very much not hardware level, unlike DLSS

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-7900-gre-to-launch-globally-on-february-27th-at-549

549 is value

[ashen spindle]

just usual inventory clearing so you dont end up sitting on stock of previous gen when releasing next gen

[smoky frigate]

suspiciously japanese business tactic

[hardy idol]

it isn't?

[smoky frigate]

I went back to arch to try vrr on the perhaps worst combination of hard- and software: nvidia + gnome + wayland. and it... just works, no fuss and no bullshit. wowie

[steep creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-BvkmNtgAM

[valid forge]

Iems go to the jack of mobo?

or the case one

iems*

Its not working plugged on mobo

[thick elk]

Have you plugged it into the right port and seated it properly?

[ruby ingot]

I guess yall get this a lot but whats the specific difference between 60he and TWO He? A lot of people say its basically the same which I get that the differential changes are neglectable but what is really the difference?

[ashen spindle]

I see its already answered in general but keep questions to one channel

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/e5RhnDRd1JM

I.. wonder how much sense does it make for AMD to foundry on Intel

Intel's process nodes are not bad at all

Costs are questionable, how hard would it be to convert from TSMC's tech to Intel's is another question

[smoky frigate]

just spent an inordinate amount of time re-seating my router. bloody 4G. I need to buy a screw-on antenna that isn't balls

anyone got antenna recommendations? it appears this router mainly uses band 3

(sub-50bux)

[thick elk]

As long as there is good legal separation, and they offer a good contract, I see no reason why AMD would not fab at Intel.

[ashen spindle]

this question doesnt make sense

[valid forge]

Yes

its on jack

[ashen spindle]

if it's new hardware it doesn have any amount of converting

[valid forge]

¿?

[ashen spindle]

not replying to you

[valid forge]

a d

[cursive summit]

Well, sure, if it's new hardware you design it on a process node

[ashen spindle]

well yeah they dont want to make old chips that arent selling any volume anymore

[cursive summit]

But converting a WIP one like Zen 6 from TSMC 3nm or whatever to Intel 20A or 18A with all the GAAFETs I can imagine, is quite different

Substrate and whatever is different

[ashen spindle]

what makes you think that's even a consideration

[cursive summit]

Manufacturing price?

[ashen spindle]

no why would they do zen6 and not something later thats not set for any node yet

[cursive summit]

If Intel gives like 30% cheaper prices than TSMC then they could convert soon upcoming products to Intel's node to reap benefits

[ashen spindle]

no lol this is way to close to launch to even consider that lmfao

[thick elk]

By the time zen 6 would enter volume production at Intel it would already be outdated.

[ashen spindle]

also "Intel's process nodes are not bad at all" none of this would happen on nodes that we have any clue on how they perform so that's just blind speculation

[fickle ore]

likewise ;p

I don't think TSMC's prices are bad necessarily, given nvidia's profit margins are in the 70%'s.

[thick elk]

Either way, I expect AMD like all major chip designers to keep an eye out for Intel's Foundry. That does not mean they will use them, but I highly doubt Nvidia and AMD will completely ignore them either.

[fickle ore]

Whichever has the performance/or node lead commands a premium

TSM will only adopt HIGH-NA in 2030

Intel will have the lead for 3+ years

[cursive summit]

Depending on energy efficiency and price, could be a shout for console chips

[ashen spindle]

intel could have a lead

they were supposed to have regular EUV lead and then 10nm went nowhere

so dont count them before they do it

[fickle ore]

stop semantics fighting me, they will have a node lead even if they can only push 1 cpu per year

[ashen spindle]

I mean them wanting to have it != them instantly having it

[cursive summit]

I don't see Intel pushing in the lead, Intel 4 is about a match to TSMC N5, or was it N6

Whatever AMD makes their stuff on

Intel just seems about on par, which is respectable

[fickle ore]

Vex Intel will have high-na by 2027

[dusk violet]

Hey guys if I order wooting 60 he + module with case switches and everything selected. Do I still have to manually do something or does it come pre built?

[fickle ore]

there is no "seeing"

[cursive summit]

What's high North America?

[thick elk]

Having High NA doesn't mean everything, just like having EUV machines first doesn't mean you have the best node

[ashen spindle]

why get the module and not the pre built regular 60he

[dusk violet]

Cuz of shipping date

Ok

Thanks

[fickle ore]

sure, like having EUV first didnt mean any thing for TSMC 😉

Intel kept pushing DUV

[ashen spindle]

having it first doesnt mean they get it working first

[fickle ore]

smh amd fanbois

[thick elk]

That, but also while intel's bet with DUV didn't pan out, doesn't mean the same can be said for future steps

[fickle ore]

just go contra and buy Canon then

[thick elk]

Intel believed at the time that the route they took was best. Did they end up with the best node, probably no, but that does not mean their decision was even wrong, let alone that going forward with ever more expansive tech.
That's something very different from going backwards.

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/Pby_-B8HVr0

Dynamic Island on Android 🤢

[fickle ore]

Be however it may, I don't see TSMC prices being bad given the profit margins...

Prices dont seem to matter enough to choose one over the other

[ashen spindle]

I mean on a 10k H100 that nvidia sells tsmc sell them a few hundred for the die perhaps

[fickle ore]

If anything, if I'm understanding this correctly intel costs per wafer will be a bit higher starting

Or is TSMC EUV even Low-NA lol

[fickle ore]

https://www.asml.com/en/news/stories/2024/5-things-high-na-euv

[smoky frigate]

I randomly remember now. when I changed my monitor's EDID information and put in my desired hz by hand, it was even resolutions (360 - 240 - 144) across the board. but normally it's like this too. which means that's how the vendor puts in the resolutions, no idea why. there's probably a good technical reason

[unkempt lake]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-7900-gre-to-launch-globally-on-february-27th-at-549

[ashen spindle]

raw cost also is secondary since if they want customers they might be fine with less margin than tsmc

and get cheaper nodes for customers despite higher costs etc.

also better node per se does not result in better products, DTCO makes for >=50% of the performance result nowadays

[fickle ore]

True, unless they have a significant lead in performance or energy efficiency, they they can charge a premium depending if they can scale the production for e.g apple big

[ashen spindle]

also for big chips you need to keep in mind high NA halves the reticle limit

so if you want to make big ones you might not want to use euv yet

[pale sigil]

Damn lol

Crypto has literally become free money for me

Every time I check my coinbase I has monies

[fickle ore]

Are they giving free monies or what

[fickle ore]

looks like it has its host of issues

[ashen spindle]

yup so first adoption does not necessarily mean you get an advantage from it