🔌│tech

[upbeat pilot]

Are yall familiar with the 540hz asus and benq (which is about to release this month) i was wondering which monitor would give me better results for a 4090 ( not sure if me having nvidia matters )

[fair gull]

i never know how good it actually is to have so much more refresh rate than you prob pump out in whatever game

[upbeat pilot]

One uses dyac and other uses ulmb2. Benq will be cheaper by $200

[astral haven]

ulmb2 is better, but costs more

[analog sinew]

haha

[astral haven]

pulsar is just ulmb2+ vrr

[analog sinew]

truck just means fat car here hm

[upbeat pilot]

So is it just a matter of price between the two monitors?

[astral haven]

again ulmb2 is better

but dyac is cheaper

[upbeat pilot]

Ah ty

[astral haven]

some people cant stand strobing at all, in which case it doesnt matter

[smoky frigate]

weird how people did not see 50hz TVs flicker way back when, me included, but once you saw it you could never unsee it

[ashen spindle]

yeah, same for VRR flickering

never noticed it until one day I looked closer and now its so annoying

shame really

[astral haven]

whats much worse is if you start to notice the 120hz/100hz flicker of streetlights

[ashen spindle]

yeah but that would require me to leave the house

[frozen ingot]

the picture was so shitty already it was just one of various distortions

[astral haven]

another theory i have is that tvs were so small that it didnt really matter much

[frozen ingot]

grew up with a whopping 28" of woodpaneled CRT goodness

[astral haven]

by small i mean small fov

a 13 inch less than a meter away is still pretty large

[frozen ingot]

most games and tv shows, movies etc here ran at about half the framerate of 50hz too so

[astral haven]

but a 20 inch across the room is very small

[vague needle]

What? Why? Slightly less bright?

[astral haven]

nah, headaches and stuff

[smoky frigate]

brains are complicated, I can totally believe it

[astral haven]

the brain is also real janky on top of that

[vague needle]

Oh I’ve never heard of 120hz strobing causing a headache

I guess it’s possible

[cursive summit]

https://www.pcgamer.com/this-years-windows-12-might-just-be-nothing-more-than-a-large-update-for-windows-11-rather-than-a-whole-new-operating-system/

[astral haven]

congrats now you have

nah, 8 was a super major change

they rolled it back in 8.1 but it was big

nah it was pretty obvious

but people whined so hard that they rolled it back

[smoky frigate]

using 7 today you definitely notice that stuff has changed under the hood

yeah 10 LTSB was the last straw for me, went to linux after that

[astral haven]

http://www.lrc.rpi.edu/programs/solidstate/assist/pdf/AR-Flicker.pdf#page=6
This doesnt study pain and headaches specifically, but there are some cases where 10khz strobing is still problematic, tho mostly things become good after 1khz

[ashen spindle]

yeah so instead of dx version they made it so 11 was needed if you have a big.shittle cpu

[astral haven]

oh btw quin, i was running into an issue with video when i enabled rtx video, (and no issues elsewhere somehow)
it turned out that precision x1 set my power limit to 25%, and rtx video needs more than that

still no clue how everything else ran fine, tho i havent really played games

thats a power limit of 87 watts set

[ashen spindle]

lol

[astral haven]

the new auto setting is also sweet, set and forget (assuming you dont set a power limit)

the hdr conversion needs some better AI for handling UI elements, but its real awesome, and very low on banding

[thick elk]

https://neo.manjaro.org/
Interesting to see more linux based gaming handhelds.
While I am doubtful about the comfort of this one and Manjaro is kind of cringe I do like that it exists.

[halcyon moss]

It's an orange pi neo?

[smoky frigate]

in typical manjaro fashion, the site is slapped together and will probably lose its SSL certificate next year

[halcyon moss]

Does have TouchPads though

[thick elk]

No back buttons though.
touchpads and back buttons work great together as using them often means your hands are lower, making the face buttons harder to use.

I find it kind of weird that it's on the manjaro site and not even a news post on Orange Pi itself.

[smoky frigate]

I've never seen a "craftsmanship" category on a spec sheet before

the "steam deck at home" vibes are real with this one

[thick elk]

Handle
All-in-One Gaming Multi-Function Grip

Grip
Ergonomic and comfortable grip

Important to name separately of course

Why am I looking at the specs again, even lists the colors twice, seems noone even proof read it.

[gusty kiln]

https://x.com/mr_matt_lee/status/1753816528867189036?s=20

Mr Matt Lee 📸 (@mr_matt_lee) on X

What if ASUS x Noctua made a 𝗖𝗵𝗿𝗼𝗺𝗮𝘅 GPU? 👀 Here’s something I’ve been working on to give you an idea of how it could look! Two Chromax NF-A12x25 fans with matching mono accents… it’s certainly a vibe 🖤 Would you have this in your rig?

@Noctua_at | @ASUSUK | #Noctua

Twitter · Feb 3, 2024, 4:23 PM

[final flame]

HOT and not running HOT

[cursive summit]

Super impressive https://www.rxddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1ajqfpx/new_boston_dynamics_atlas_video_release/

Robotics are making fast leaps

[pale sigil]

OMG

I just figured out how to use logitech g shift

its a game changer for me

[pale sigil]

lame

i stll lose a mouse button

[astral haven]

-1 to multiply by 2

[pale sigil]

but i use every button

even DPI

[astral haven]

ok?

[pale sigil]

id have to lose one of them buttons for gshift

[astral haven]

move one action to shift+right click

[pale sigil]

huh?

[astral haven]

so take whatever was on the back button, and move it to gshift+ right click

for example

[pale sigil]

that means id have to use gshift constantly

[astral haven]

and?

its like alt tab or ctrl c

[pale sigil]

it would not be optional

[astral haven]

you get used to it real quick

[pale sigil]

it would not work

[astral haven]

give it a shot

make sure its 2 buttons that dont use the same finger to activate, or you can activate at the same time (like the back and forward keys)

[pale sigil]

highlight is finisher

its the only one i could think of replacing

[astral haven]

how often do you use melee?

[pale sigil]

constant

mele is also ability mele

[astral haven]

ok so move class ability to where melee is now
shift where class ability is now, and melee to shift + primary click

[pale sigil]

but i need to keep spamming class

[astral haven]

that does requrire a second mouse to set up unfortunately

[pale sigil]

like int he moment

i cant add a delay

[astral haven]

and?

whichever is more used, move it to the primary button on shift

[pale sigil]

i cant be having to activate to use a different layer, class abilities are kinda a split second thing.

The best i can think of is prob dpi button

[astral haven]

which one do you need to spam?

[pale sigil]

all of them but dpi but its going to be so weird getting used to that haha

guess i can try

[astral haven]

so put one on primary and the other on secondary

ive never needed more than 2, but i also dont have a dpi button

[pale sigil]

haha i think this is gonna be a struggle getting used to a different bind for finisher xD

[astral haven]

just 5 total buttons on my mouse

[astral haven]

this

[pale sigil]

4 years of muscle memory is gonna be difficult to shake

xD

[astral haven]

yea fair enough

[pale sigil]

maybe ill just get a macropad or uwu like i planned

xD

The issue is i have a bad range of function on my left hand

[astral haven]

hmm

[pale sigil]

which is why i rely on my mouse so much

[astral haven]

can you trade any movement keys over to the right hand?

[pale sigil]

nope

[astral haven]

theres a csgo pro who binds move forward to right click for example

[pale sigil]

i think i could get used to it

finisher is used very little these days.

[pale sigil]

Although I personally wouldn't want that

Why can't we have cool stuff like that

[final flame]

I'm all for the custom gpu backplates

the cooler design also looks cool

[boreal vortex]

Yeah

Made a lot of weebo GPUs including the 6700XT

[pale sigil]

Why are we nsfwing

[astral haven]

I just went to get a demo of the Apple Vision Pro, and yeah, it is not that great. I'm already feeling a little nauseous.
They were also Showing off their spatial videos, but their spatial videos are only 360. They are not VR videos like Google was showing with Welcome to Light fields.
They also didn't curve the edge of the screen in the theater mode, so the videos were a bit skewed at the edges,
Only cool thing that I hadn't seen anyone show off is that you can use your fingers normally in iPad apps if you bring the app really close to you (it was also a surprise to the store employees)

The stereo overlap is also pretty awful.
In the theater environment that they showed off, only the center 1/3 of the movie screen was in 3d when facing the center of the screen

[pale sigil]

Where did you demo it?

Apple store?

[astral haven]

Apple store yea

Demo experience is very limited, much better to get a friend who will let you borrow theirs

Wouldn't even let me try bluetooth earbuds so that the noise from the people around would go away

[unkempt lake]

@prisma crag interesting

I'm not too bothered by the laminate tbh

This is a vr headset, not something you'll carry around (i bet some idiots will tho) like it will go from the case to your face to back in the case. It's not like you're putting this in your pocket

Like you'll probably be sitting at home and well i don't think a hairline scratch would be perceptible while using it

But yeah the only way i can see that front glass being damaged is like idk

You fall and hit your face straight up on the ground breaking your nose in the process

And i'd probably prefer not having glass shards in my face if that happenned lol

I mean i could buy one but i feel like that be a waste of money

Vr in general is a waste in my book

I'd rather use my money on other stuff

Who's rocco

It's probably cool

But i have no use for it

It just seems like a toy at the moment

A very expensive one

[halcyon moss]

changelogs like this 🤯
https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/releases/tag/1.35.2

[astral haven]

Because apple only deems you worthy of a single monitor when remote controlling a mac

[halcyon moss]

Dual screening is also harder than it should be on osx.
No MST support over displayport. while on the intels you could still do it when running windows, so its really apple limiting it

[frozen ingot]

https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005006433815625.html

gotta love that chinese ingenuity

that thing looks terrifying

[umbral heron]

That makes more sense
I thought they use CO2 to suffocate a rat

[steep creek]

https://vxtwitter.com/markgurman/status/1754652966324470246?s=46

[steep creek]

Aw that’s not great, I was getting my hopes up a little for this product

[umbral heron]

Why it doesn't surprise me? With Apple being as anti-consumer as it is

[steep creek]

Probably just a 1.0 issue since afaik this is the only product you can’t wipe through iCloud

[umbral heron]

I'm not convinced

[reef patrol]

Being pro consumer and resales? Couldn't be Apple.

[old marlin]

https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/third_party/hdctools/+/master/docs/ccd.md

for chromebooks you still need a special cable

at least they tell you how to make your own one

[umbral heron]

On another hand - why else would they price USB-C strap $300?

$300!

You could get Quest 2 for $300...

[steep creek]

lol

[steep creek]

yea that I have no idea about 😂

Haha the dev program is about 99 usd a year too

[halcyon moss]

Wasn't that like always

[harsh copper]

can anyone recommend a mouse

my gpro started randomly skipping

[tropic arrow]

Pulsar x2v2

Or just a gpx

[misty saffron]

enterprise pricing is absolutely not exclusive to apple

[unkempt ice]

wlmouse

[cursive summit]

I hate Star Rail, but that looks amazing

4090 though, shit's gonna cost 2.5 grand at least

[reef patrol]

You'd think the price would be LOWERED, since you're essentially buying an advertisement 😄

[fair gull]

u made a typo on the word waifu mansen

[cursive summit]

Tbf it doesn't have the name of the game on the product

To most people, like me, it's a generic weeb product

Hell I would not guess in a million years it's by MSI lol

MAXSUN makes stuff like this, maybe a PowerColor?

Not MSI

[tropic arrow]

4090 suprim x 2100$ + waifu tax

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/jontron-ill-take-your-entire-stock-thats-mine-gif-13637000

[cursive summit]

Kinda feels sad the 2000s and early 2010s trend of putting cool graphics on the card is just gone

[reef patrol]

I'd care a lot more, if I wasn't using waterblocks anyway.

If I really wanted to, I could just print out a vinyl online and slap it on myself.

[severe phoenix]

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/nvidia-tesla-stock-price-market-cap-huang-musk-ai-microchips-2024-2

[cursive summit]

Cringe

Overpriced stocks 🤢

[severe phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/ruan-mei-mei-ruan-ruan-mei-hsr-ruan-mei-honkai-gif-14013075372169580978

[fair gull]

imagine having invested in nvidia 20 years ago

[astral haven]

Funne number

[severe phoenix]

Buddy, AMD

When it was at 1.12$, I thought "I should put 500$ into AMD right now" - but didn't have the money / kinda thought it wouldn't be worth it

500$ would've become 83,500$

[fair gull]

idk how much nvidia was 20years ago but prob far away from their over 600usd per share rn

1,90 USD

[severe phoenix]

True enough, but AMD was cheap to buy into

And I just didn't

lol

Yeah but 20 years ago I was ak id with no money

AMD was 1.12 like a decade ago

[fair gull]

nvidia was 3,97 10years ago

now 676.48

thats like 33000%

very very roughly

[severe phoenix]

lol

Ok so I made many fuck ups

[fair gull]

the thing is... hindsight is always 20/20

you could have also easily lost the money

[gusty kiln]

Same with people using bitcoin to buy pizza

Several whole bitcoins

[ashen spindle]

And just like bitcoin nobody would have kept the investment without getting cold feet when it was already a 50x value

[fickle ore]

buy tulips, they will 🚀

[fair gull]

yeah

youd sell as soon as you feel its at its high

[fickle ore]

I waited 8 years with Doge lol

[fair gull]

or sell a substantial amount if not all

[fair gull]

my ide drive is still waiting with bitcoins somewhere on a dump in germany

[fickle ore]

havent you tried to search for it?

[fair gull]

lol no

i cba

[fickle ore]

tf lol I wouldve

u prob know which dump it went to

[fair gull]

the company that did the trash disposal also long doesnt exist

nope

[fickle ore]

rly? my city only has 1 dump

[fair gull]

my old city has multiple

[fickle ore]

when I was kiddo I brought back a joystick from one of the trips I went there with my dad

when there were actual landfills

not these recycling centers as these days

[fair gull]

and the dumps in my old city off load to other dumps and so on until it reaches a big landfill where they mound it up and cover it in dirt

[fickle ore]

So you're saying older landfills are literal goldmines? Give dumpster diving a new meaning

[fair gull]

as long as the drives still work maybe

[fickle ore]

Yoo I know what im gonna do when I quit my job

[fair gull]

tons of people that just discarded pcs with hundreds of bitcoin on it cause it was cents back then

[fickle ore]

[fair gull]

when i got a new pc back then i couldnt even buy a pizza with it cause no one in germany really knew about btc

[fickle ore]

Im hoping this company will one day be like NXP/INFINEON/STM. It's currently valued at 1.5B (15B NOK), so rising to 50B is like 33x.

They make mcu's for mice and other peripherals and chips for IoT devices hehe

[cursive summit]

https://hard-drive.net/hd/technology/top-5-ways-to-make-over-1000-a-week-from-home-according-to-our-comment-section/

They made an article about their comment section's spambots

[cursive summit]

https://techcrunch.com/2024/01/26/mercedez-benz-token-exposed-source-code-github/amp/

[cursive summit]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Zephyrus-G16-2024-review-The-gaming-laptop-now-with-G-Sync-OLED-and-Intel-Meteor-Lake.800175.0.html

Ew, Meteor Lake

There are better things to put in a gaming laptop

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/tsmc-is-now-the-worlds-largest-semiconductor-maker-by-revenue-beating-intel-and-samsung-analyst

Nobody talks about GloFo

[craggy holly]

Hi. Just ordered a 60he and looking forward to getting it. Just a quick ask if you guys have considered building a gamepad with your tech.

[cursive summit]

UwU?

[craggy holly]

Sorry I don't know that acronym

[cursive summit]

https://wooting.io/uwu

I don't see how Wooting's technology belongs on controllers, keypads, sure

[craggy holly]

Oh lol no. Like half a keyboard. Like the left half of an ergo keyboard. I'm currently using one from Redragon

[cursive summit]

So a programmable keypad

[ashen spindle]

#1141096226884956181 would be better for that topic

[craggy holly]

Thank you

[wheat plume]

https://slimbook.com/en/shop/product/slimbook-fedora-14-12700h-1105?category=58&search=fedora

🤤

[reef patrol]

Tips fedora

[gusty kiln]

What's special about it

[fair gull]

its costs extra for the fedora branding

[gusty kiln]

Kek

Like just get the diy framework laptop and install insert generic Linux distro on it

[fair gull]

if it wasnt so expensive sure

[cursive summit]

Shite hardware

[misty saffron]

can you imagine a laptop with templeos written on it

[thick elk]

At least it's not a Manjaro edtion.

[gusty kiln]

How much is the 13

[misty saffron]

would arch linux edition come with socks then?

[gusty kiln]

Think that is for the 7640u version

[thick elk]

My old laptop was a clevo where I was forced to pick memory / storage, but pricing wise the best option was to pick the cheapest then replace it with actual stuff I want to use

But it makes sense that they require it, to at least validate everything is working.

[gusty kiln]

That do that at the factory for framework

Then they take all the stuff out

[thick elk]

Basically, which makes it kind of silly

[wheat plume]

do you need to get your own RAM and SSD and things too?

[crisp granite]

I can get it cheaper anyway
how much are DDR2 sodimms anyway?
free because I found them at the dump!

[fair gull]

why

[misty saffron]

is this like the people who fork literally everything they encounter

except this time they upload everything they encounter

[steep creek]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/business/ntsb-boeing-alaska-airlines-report.html

[halcyon moss]

Ddr2.. I might have some in the attic

[fair gull]

im learning new shit every day https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vEGcRqkCN6I

[cosmic thunder]

learning doesn't end

and i dont like it

[astral haven]

are you joking or making fun of the poor explanation?

[fair gull]

i think its a pretty good very short explanation

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/6axcFSslasM

[dapper canopy]

New to the family!

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/OCuVEuFIkew

Woah this is a bad one

5700G with iGPU disabled

[umbral heron]

Ally 2 just a year after first one? Must be a refresh

[cursive summit]

Unless they are stuffing a Strix Halo into it lel and it launches before expected

Idk what else they could really do to make it not a refresh but a significant sequel, there's no silicon out to be an upgrade

W.. what

D.. DVI

[reef patrol]

Just tells you the power of the card 😄

[cursive summit]

It's cursed to have DVI and DP on the same card

[umbral heron]

Strix Point with 50W limit goes brrrr
Maybe they'll add OLED display

[cursive summit]

Please no OLED display

I sure want my handheld to have a hardware expiration date

[umbral heron]

I mean... Ally fanboys kinda struck me as people who would immediately ditch their device as soon more powerful as new one comes out, so that won't be an issue here
Still, Ally was pretty easy to disassemble, so display swap shouldn't be that hard

[severe phoenix]

llol

I'm loving my Steam Deck OLED

Sure it's not the strongest, but it can play the games I'd want to play on handheld easily and at 60FPS+

[umbral heron]

Same It's so nice to be able to play older games in bed

I've reconfigured my LCD one into emulation machine, which pretty much at all times stays in dock
And OLED for laying in bed, is nice

[ashen spindle]

Halo isn’t coming this year and certainly not in a handheld, can’t power that

[umbral heron]

50W TDP, 20 minutes on battery, but on 1080p 120Hz Ultra

wtf did I just read https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/smart-home/3-million-smart-toothbrushes-were-just-used-in-a-ddos-attack-really/

[ashen spindle]

Halo will need more than 50

[umbral heron]

Oh, Halo sure, but Point was 50W iirc

[ashen spindle]

It’s the same as current phoenix point, configurable tdp in the same range

So yeah probably up to 5xW

[old marlin]

shocker

[umbral heron]

https://vxtwitter.com/SecretaryPete/status/1754559027688685941

[rough osprey]

das a big lightning

[cursive summit]

https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMDGPU-New-IP-RDNA4-February

Time is slowly approaching for new gen of GPUs

https://www.techpowerup.com/318807/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-now-usd-100-cheaper-than-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super

[ashen spindle]

You know news cycle is slow when some random one off coupon is making news headlines

[crimson wigeon]

If only it was for the GRE

[old marlin]

Wouldn't be a gre in the year of the dragon

[ashen spindle]

But lunar new year didn’t happen yet or did it?

[astral haven]

https://www.techpowerup.com/318828/minisforum-formally-launches-v3-high-performance-amd-ai-3-in-1-tablet
microsoft pen protocol!
uhs-ii SD card slot!
question is still up in the air if it will support touch when used as an external monitor however

[gusty kiln]

apparently microcenter does GPU trade in now

as long as your gpu was bought from them

[misty saffron]

retail has learned about the existence of second hand market

[gusty kiln]

I can get 147 for my 2080

[smoky frigate]

sounds... ass

[upbeat pilot]

Anyone familiar with ulmb2 and dyac2 for monitors. Which one is better. I do have a nvidia gpu

[astral haven]

ulmb2 is better but more expensive

[upbeat pilot]

Thank you! How about oled vs tn. Is there really a major difference?

[astral haven]

the differences are major

[upbeat pilot]

So question. Is it better to purchase this https://a.co/d/gU8yHBE

[smoky frigate]

from what I hear OLED is better in every respect, only it can have burn-in of static elements over time

[upbeat pilot]

Or wait for a 360 hz oled

Isnt oled 1440p?

[astral haven]

nope, the mprt is worse (drastically so)

[upbeat pilot]

This is for competitive gaming.

[smoky frigate]

oh what ?? looks like my purchasing decision was good after all

[astral haven]

?

[smoky frigate]

competitive gaming = response time über alles -> TN then

[astral haven]

mprt not pure response time

oled pure response time is better

[ashen spindle]

one aspect being worse doesnt mean the whole thing is worse

[astral haven]

^

[upbeat pilot]

Zowie is releasing their 540 hz monitor mid feb. should i wait

[astral haven]

and the amount by which the images look better on oled is insane

[smoky frigate]

yeah but response time was one of the major reasons I chose my monitor

[astral haven]

response time or mprt

because oled is far better response time

and you dont have to worry about stroboscopic artifacts

and if the tn isnt strobed, its much worse

[smoky frigate]

nah it's strobed so it's all good

[astral haven]

even still the 360hz oleds are incredible

and they are 1440p, so if you run them at 720p, they look far better than a 1080p monitor would

[upbeat pilot]

Is 1080p oled a thing?

[astral haven]

not really, and even if it did exist, it would not be a great idea

[upbeat pilot]

I appreciate the information. Thank you!

[ashen spindle]

I mean, there sorta is

the models where you can switch it to 1080p for 480hz

[astral haven]

and those exist?

😛

besides thats still a 4k oled just running at 1/4 res

[ashen spindle]

I think they showed them at gamescom or ces? so exists, just not launched yet 😛

[astral haven]

still not a 1080p oled

now would I be ok with a 1080p oled if it was a hardwired quad pixel arrangement? probably

[ashen spindle]

I said there sorta is, implying I know it's not a raw 1080p panel 😛 but it's a panel made to be used in 1080p

[astral haven]

yea fair enough

and i do currently own a 1080p120hz oled, its just less than an inch diagonal and head mounted

[upbeat pilot]

So that 1080 oled isnt really an oled?

It switches from 4k to 1080

[astral haven]

its a real oled

and its real cool

if it was on sale, it would definetly be the one to get

[upbeat pilot]

Would it be smarter to wait for that monitor… or should i go for the 540 hz tn 1080p from asus

[ashen spindle]

it's real oled, it can do4k 240 or 1080p 480hz

just not out yet and probably wont be cheap

[astral haven]

again you probably should consider the 360hz oled

[ashen spindle]

^

[upbeat pilot]

Thats 1440p

[ashen spindle]

so?

[upbeat pilot]

Reduction of frames. I do have a 4090. Wouldn’t 1440p drop my frames by a margin

[astral haven]

you dont have to run it at 1440p if you dont want to

[upbeat pilot]

So technically it can be a 1080p 360 hz oled?

Or 1440p

[ashen spindle]

you can change resolution on any screen it just normally doesn't allow you higher hz

[astral haven]

^

[upbeat pilot]

So will the hz be at 360

[ashen spindle]

yes

[astral haven]

yep

[upbeat pilot]

And still oled?

[astral haven]

yep

oled is physical technology

[ashen spindle]

why would lowering resolution change what its made from

[cursive summit]

No it turns into a TN if you switch to 1080p

[ashen spindle]

ignore the troll

[thick elk]

Small bit of nuance, on old 1080p screens going to 75hz at a lower resolution was pretty common up from 60.
Granted not relevant at all

[upbeat pilot]

Ty

[astral haven]

and unfortunately not really a thing in modern day
my monitor is 240hz at 4k and 245hz at 1080p

and ofc had to overclock manually

[upbeat pilot]

One more question. Does tn give more frames than an oled?

Is there a frame difference

[astral haven]

you get the hz you buy

[smoky frigate]

I clocked it down even, for better motion and consistent framerates on a 3080

[ashen spindle]

360hz is the same as 360hz on anything else

[astral haven]

540hz = 540hz
360hz = 360hz

[upbeat pilot]

Yeah but will tn give more of an fps increase bc its worse

Sorry for my silly question

[astral haven]

no

[ashen spindle]

no

[thick elk]

It will have lower response times at the same framerate though, oled that is.

[upbeat pilot]

Ok tyty

[astral haven]

again misleading
see above

[upbeat pilot]

So if my computer could run 540 hz on a tn… a 360 hz oled would be more ideal. In that case i guess i should wait for that 1080 480hz oled

Which can also do 4k. Sums it up for me ty all

[ashen spindle]

if you are fine with waiting, sure

[astral haven]

im definetly hyped for the 4k240/1080p480 myself

[upbeat pilot]

It better not be curved

Would 1080p on a 32” look blurry

Seems odd to me

[astral haven]

depends on how far you sit

[smoky frigate]

you would definitely notice it

[astral haven]

not definetly

[upbeat pilot]

Ah

[astral haven]

but with a normal desk sure it wouldnt be fantastic

but it wouldnt be blurry since its a true 4k panel, it would be sharp and jaggy

[upbeat pilot]

So maybe ill settle for the pg27aqdp. 1440p 480hz 27”

Such cool monitors. Hyped for 2024

[astral haven]

i personally really like 32 4k240hz

(what ive currently got)

[digital cliff]

now make cheap monitors

[upbeat pilot]

What gpu

[astral haven]

3090

i run fsr in cs2 and its very solid

[smoky frigate]

24.5 360hz TN here: I like it, but wish it was bigger

[upbeat pilot]

Wow cool

[unkempt lake]

I have a 240hz display

[upbeat pilot]

So for competitive gaming. Oled wins?

[unkempt lake]

Idk it's cool but it's not as wow as when i went to 144

[astral haven]

yes and no
ulmb2 is very nice

and you cant do ulmb2 on oled (yet)

[upbeat pilot]

Oh

Y yes and no?

[astral haven]

but everything else is so much nicer besides ulmb2

[unkempt lake]

Then again i play cod and siege but casually

[smoky frigate]

I tried playing with 144hz and 165 recently respectively, and they both felt bad compared to 240. I never thought myself that I would eventually feel the difference but here I am

[astral haven]

thats how it always is

[unkempt lake]

I mean I'm on 5120x1440 240hz with a 7900xtx, only esports stuff can go in like the above 144hz range

[astral haven]

upgrades
"wow this isnt that much better"
goes back to old monitor
"holy smokes this is so awful"

[unkempt lake]

The thing i notice is how bad colors look on other monitors, the colors on the neo g9 are beautiful

It ruined every other display for me

[smoky frigate]

the only exception would have been my CRTs before they died, panels used to be quite awful for a long time but we were all fooled 😛

[unkempt lake]

Color wise

And immersion wise

[astral haven]

oled is real sweet...

[unkempt lake]

But framerste wise honestly 144 is the sweet spot unless you're an esport try hard

[timber mantle]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww

[unkempt lake]

Blame nico

He drsgs me into siege

[timber mantle]

You always blame that poor, innocent squirrel boy.

[smoky frigate]

hhhhMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmm not sure I agreeeeeeee

[astral haven]

nah
smoother the better

[digital cliff]

it is the sweetspot considering price/perf

[astral haven]

now id take a super consistent perfect 144hz over high variability 240hz

[astral haven]

just lower your settings in fps games

[smoky frigate]

overwatch 2 got a DLSS update not long ago and holy shit am I glad not to be using FSR anymore

DLSS spoils me

[digital cliff]

meanwhile I'm just happy to even have a monitor

[unkempt lake]

Yes

[timber mantle]

You've got me defending Nico. An adult who dresses as a squirrel. That's where we're at?

[unkempt lake]

He's a cat not a squirrel

[fickle ore]

dobut theres much diff between 144 and 240

[unkempt lake]

😦

I wouldn't marry a rodent

[smoky frigate]

depends on the game, in a fast shooter you notice it 100% when fps go below 200

[timber mantle]

My bad. I was basing it off of the pic you posted

[fickle ore]

I mean in price

[smoky frigate]

oh derp

[astral haven]

at above 1080p it gets expensiveish

[upbeat pilot]

Think im just gonna go for the 540hz 1080p. Try it for a month and see how i like it. Can always return for free. Rip $1000

[digital cliff]

that's kinda crazy expensive for 1080p

[smoky frigate]

I would wait for ULMB/strobing support, it makes motion massively good

[astral haven]

its a ulmb2 monitor at least

[upbeat pilot]

Ulmb strobing support? Wym

Its. Ulmb2

[smoky frigate]

oh nevermind then lol

[upbeat pilot]

Im also assuming ill always want ulmb2 enabled

[astral haven]

possibly not outside of gaming

[upbeat pilot]

So wth hell is the point of g sync

[astral haven]

oh you cant use gsync and ulmb2 at the same time btw (at least not yet)

[digital cliff]

I didn't even realize I'm this lost on monitors, don't have a clue what ulmb2 means

[smoky frigate]

gsync makes it so fps = hz

that's it

[astral haven]

backlight strobing, by nvidia, 3rd version

[upbeat pilot]

Ah. G sync is like v sync then

[astral haven]

no

well maybe kinda

[ashen spindle]

it removes tearing like v sync but doesnt add the extra latency

[upbeat pilot]

Ah

[smoky frigate]

vsync is different, but you can't enable ULMB2 and gsync at the same time so you'll probably not use it

[gusty kiln]

It is but I'm willing to take a small loss for convenience

[astral haven]

2080 has lost alot of value relatively quickly

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

[astral haven]

its also 5 years old+

[gusty kiln]

A 2080ti would have retained a lot more value

[smoky frigate]

it notably does not remove tearing, still need vsync for that

[upbeat pilot]

My other pc i dont use has a 2080ti. Its good

[gusty kiln]

2080 on ebay are like 200

[astral haven]

it does remove tearing until your fps is too high, and you can use a framerate cap rather than vsync to fix it

[upbeat pilot]

Would yall help me in purchasing a headset. I have an amp. I dont need the mic. Need good audio

[digital cliff]

what's the budget and what kind of sound you like

[ashen spindle]

in the VRR range of 40something fps up to the screens max hz it removes tearing that's kinda the point of gsync

[upbeat pilot]

I was looking at the 990 pro dt and x2 pro

[upbeat pilot]

No budget. For gaming

[astral haven]

get he1s then

[digital cliff]

no budget? then you can get the he1s

[astral haven]

seriously tho budget matters

[digital cliff]

ahhah

[upbeat pilot]

LOL RELAX

But fr. Which headset

$300 budget

[astral haven]

headset or headphones
headset means attached mic

[upbeat pilot]

Headphone

[cursive summit]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/21254/amd-unveils-their-embedded-architecture-ryzen-embedded-with-versal-together

[unkempt lake]

My husband uses my old 2080 in his rig and he's happy with it it's still a great 1080p card

[astral haven]

sure, its still not that expensive now when it was very expensive 5 years ago

[digital cliff]

I'd drop a little less first if you don't know what kind of sound signature you like

[cursive summit]

There's no way to tell you what's good without you specifying your audio preferences

Beyers are generally a bit eh though

[digital cliff]

the DT990s are very nice IF you like them

[unkempt lake]

True, I paid like 999cad for it on launch day

[digital cliff]

if you don't they are horrifying

[upbeat pilot]

How about the logi x2s

[cursive summit]

Don't waste money

[upbeat pilot]

And whats better 250ohm or 80

[unkempt lake]

Used 2080/2080s/2080 ti's are a great used deal rn

[cursive summit]

Are you looking for wireless headphones?

[upbeat pilot]

U right

[upbeat pilot]

No

[digital cliff]

250 if you have an amp

[upbeat pilot]

So winner is dt 990 pro

[cursive summit]

Like there are some nice headphones out there for 300$, but like, what are your audio preferences

[astral haven]

only if you can try them first

[cursive summit]

Definitely not lol

[upbeat pilot]

Tbh its just fir gaming

Not music or studio

Strictly gaming. I enjoy comfort and need sound to be on point

[astral haven]

the other thing is do you actually want headphones?
if you have a noisy environment, iems can be great, i highly recommend the truthear nova, they are $150 and dead on harman

If you have a quiet environment, the basic headphone to get into is the hd560s

[cursive summit]

Aune AR5000 is 300$ flat

[unkempt lake]

Logitech G933 @upbeat pilot

[digital cliff]

then maybe something with a wide soundstage and precise imaging

[unkempt lake]

Cheap and light and good battery life

If you want wireless

[cursive summit]

Tbf only AKG fits that bill

[digital cliff]

yep, I'd recommend something AKG if I knew anything about AKG

but you do so you be the judge

[unkempt lake]

I use some and my concerns are more about long use comfort and long battery life/witeless than audiophile stuff

[cursive summit]

I would say Aune AR5000 is pretty good, imaging is great, ok soundstage, amazing details, extremely easy to run

[unkempt lake]

Guys he said he wants to game

[astral haven]

when i tried the g933, they were pretty bad btw

[unkempt lake]

None of the audiophile crap

[upbeat pilot]

They look great snd comfortable.

[unkempt lake]

I said g733

[cursive summit]

Then you know nothing

[unkempt lake]

Different headset

[digital cliff]

but doesn't want a wireless headset

[astral haven]

what

[upbeat pilot]

The ar5000. I see these streamers using the 990 dt

[unkempt lake]

Oh it was a typo i meant g733

[cursive summit]

Beyers have harsh sound

And they won't sound very open

[unkempt lake]

You're an ass

[cursive summit]

AKG K702s are wide as fuck

[cursive summit]

Couldn't care less lol, good headphones perform well in games

[astral haven]

that doesnt make them wrong tho...

[digital cliff]

I like the beyer sound, you might not so might want to get something more safe as a starting point

recommendations so far AR5000, DT990, K702, pick your poison

[unkempt lake]

Everyone has a different need when it comes to headphones

[digital cliff]

I'll throw in HD560S just because they are cheap, excel at almost everything and are safe

[halcyon moss]

Beyer dynamic Mmx200

[cursive summit]

And so far you were wrong in all of your suggestions

[cursive summit]

Wireless, not bad though

[upbeat pilot]

Now my last upgrade will be my chair. Waiting for the hernan miller embody to go on sale

[unkempt lake]

My suggestion was g733 if he wants wireless and a lightweightheadset, i used one and i enjoy it for that need

[cursive summit]

That will sound horrible, with horrible quality

[unkempt lake]

You can find them for a really cheap price too

[unkempt lake]

I like mine personally

[digital cliff]

I'll only upgrade my chair if my free kitchen chair breaks

[unkempt lake]

For the price they're good

[cursive summit]

For 140$ I'd far rather advise to buy proper good drivers rather than whatever Logi is using

[astral haven]

yes and no
gaming is better with better sounding headphones
there is no reason to go out of the way to get a worse sounding set
if you dont need a mic, anything from logitech will be awful

[cursive summit]

Their price seems to be 140$ish

[unkempt lake]

They go on sale super often

[cursive summit]

I use K702s, bought them for 120 or so, they are absolutely incredible for games

The soundstage is best in class in audiophile category even

[astral haven]

go into best buy and pick up any random "wireless tv headphones" and they will probably be better than the logitech

[cursive summit]

Gaming headphones is a plague

All of them usually sound shite unless it's Meze or Beyer doing something

[unkempt lake]

Well these last 30 hours on a charge and their weigh nothing and are crazy comfortable

That's what i care about

[astral haven]

mine weigh less, dont have to charge and are for me more comfortable, as well as solidly less hot

[unkempt lake]

Cables bad

[cursive summit]

Last I read there are better options than Hermans nowadays

For cheaper

[cursive summit]

It's okay, you are just wrong

[unkempt lake]

Cables are annoying

[cursive summit]

Okay, doesn't make you any less wrong

[unkempt lake]

Comfort and practicality are what matters to me

We have different preferenxes

[digital cliff]

guys it's ok to want a wireless headset and it's also ok to want wired headphones

now kiss

[unkempt lake]

You're not wrong and im not wrong we just value different things

[cursive summit]

I have issues with the statement "Cables bad"

You are factually wrong to even imply that

[unkempt lake]

Vex

Its ok

[cursive summit]

"I don't like cables", go on, live with your life, I will judge you though

[astral haven]

is aught fallacy

[unkempt lake]

Its ok you like being an elitist

Its fine

[cursive summit]

You mean autist?

[unkempt lake]

I just see value in different things than you do

[upbeat pilot]

What headphones do u use

[cursive summit]

Schiit set with K702s

Well, AKG K702s

Cheap as shit, a little bit hard to run off a motherboard

[steep creek]

personally agree with dashi, i like the convinience wireless things gives me and i tend to have mostly wireless periperals

[cursive summit]

But insanely good headphones for gaming and music

[astral haven]

its not just about being an elitist tho, there are better wireless options than logitech
I really like the tv headsets these days, the only advantage of logitech is built in mic

[cursive summit]

Good comfort

Build is plastic though, has held for 3 years now though

[unkempt lake]

Vex has the behavior that gives audiophiles a bad name

[astral haven]

and the best wireless is still sennheiser

[unkempt lake]

Not willing to understand that different people have different priorities

[cursive summit]

I'm sorry for telling you that you are wrong when you were wrong

I have a problem with honesty

[unkempt lake]

I mean it's just called being an ass

[cursive summit]

What

I'm not going to entertain you anymore, go on then

[unkempt lake]

Try to see the different viewpoints of people instead of being like

You are wrong because I prioritize audio quality over everything else

I don't think anyone is wrong it's just called a preference

[cursive summit]

@upbeat pilot Found the chair that gets rated better than herman millers

Steelcase Leap

A lot cheaper too

Steelcase Amia is also good

[upbeat pilot]

I tried it

I ddnt like it

[cursive summit]

Well chairs are subjective

[upbeat pilot]

I like a wide seat

[fickle ore]

Fern

[unkempt lake]

But yeah typical elitist audiophile behavior from vex that leads people to stay away from that circle

[upbeat pilot]

Hernan has such a wide seat

[cursive summit]

What about Steelcase Amia?

[upbeat pilot]

But ty. I tried amia. Seat is small

[cursive summit]

Well I guess Hermans it is

[upbeat pilot]

But ty

[steep creek]

im not ashamed to admit that i think airpods sound great, because thats really the only pair of earbuds i use lol

[fickle ore]

https://www.haworth.com/eu/en/products/executive-chairs/fern.html

[smoky frigate]

I reject calling it anything but a target market

[upbeat pilot]

Eh

[cursive summit]

I like how the more expensive you go in price, the less material you get

Like, that thing has no back support

[fickle ore]

Fern is pretty highly rated

[astral haven]

yea but how much time have you spent with better sounding stuff like the buds2pro or real iems?
theres a difference between good enough, good compared to what I/you tried, and good on an absolute scale

[cursive summit]

Wait the base is titanium?

[unkempt lake]

Probably the most convenient headphones out there tbh but other stuff sounds better but if convenience and wireless is whay you like then they're great

[astral haven]

they are very inconvenient if you have android lol

[upbeat pilot]

I have a question. Would i be able to use logitech g pro padding on a dt990

[steep creek]

thats the thing, i haven't tried any of the other offerings at all besides some old wired cheap sennheiser buds and beats. to me airpods sound great because currently its the best buds i have

[unkempt lake]

Should have precised that

[upbeat pilot]

I dont like the velvet on dt990

[steep creek]

but maybe that changes if i invest in some very high quality iems

[cursive summit]

The earpads?

[upbeat pilot]

Ye

[cursive summit]

Lemme check

[astral haven]

which while true doesnt make them good in an absolute sense
just fulfilling 2 of the 3 criteria i set above

[unkempt lake]

But if you're running around with then doing your daily shit you'll feel less bad about a pair of airpods breaking than more expensive iems

[astral haven]

yea but airpod isnt competitive with iems anywhere near in its price range

[unkempt lake]

You can see the airpods as more... disposable?

[astral haven]

its about on par with the $18 range

[steep creek]

naturally

[cursive summit]

Possibly?

[astral haven]

and the $18 range can be converted to wireless for around $50 for similar quality to airpods, $100ish for better quality

[steep creek]

yeah i like the convinience, auto switching between my devices and all that

[cursive summit]

I think DT-770, 880 and 990 have the same pads

[halcyon moss]

They do

[cursive summit]

It seems 770 and G Pro share same pad dimensions so 990 should do too

[halcyon moss]

And those pads are great

[steep creek]

im confident that other possibly cheaper buds are better sounding than airpods, but they dont have the features i seek, so therefore im fine with all the compromises

[upbeat pilot]

Velvet. Its p firm

[astral haven]

bluetooth multipoint is nicer than the apple stuff, the apple multi device exclusively works with apple stuffs where multipoint works with everything

[cursive summit]

Per Brainwavz at least, they say that G Pro and 770 are about same dimensions, Height: 110mm | Width: 90mm | Inner Hole: 50mm x 70mm

[upbeat pilot]

Oh ty ❤️

[steep creek]

im just too integrated into apples system for now, and unfortunately they are too locked down to support bt multipoint, but if i change sometime ill be sure to get some buds with bt multipoint

[upbeat pilot]

I love the way the dt990 pros look. But u did say there was a harsh sound to it…

[bright vale]

hey all, i just recently bought the 60he + module and built it with no knowledge of what I was doing. Maybe I should’ve come here first but I was wondering if there was a step-by-step tutorial on how to build it? I scoured the internet for one and couldn’t find anything.

[astral haven]

yea they just dont support multipoint at all, you get 1 device at a time, and apple handles the switching on the computer/phone side

[cursive summit]

Wrong channel

#archived_keebs_talk #archived_wooting_60he

[reef patrol]

Also that. But there is a semi guide : https://help.wooting.io/article/177-putting-your-60he-module-together

[bright vale]

thank you!

[steep creek]

yea you're pretty much forced to use apples offerings and nothing else, for sure downsides to it but fine as long as you accept that

[astral haven]

again no

[smoky frigate]

fapple would do that? unthinkable

[astral haven]

i use wf1000xm4 multipoint with my work iphone and android and it works perfectly

theres nothing that apple can do to prevent it from working short of entirely blocking the device

[steep creek]

i wasn't clear enough perhaps, but i mean theres no true integration like siri would only work with apples devices. or for example any other smart watch besides apple watch paired to an iphone would always have less features than the aw

[cursive summit]

Speaking of shit wireless headphones, was looking into Audeze Maxwells to replace my dying Cambride Audio buds

Maxwells look really damn good on the FR graph

And I kinda like the 2.4GHz dong

Really unsure on the planars, the few planars I ever got to listen to sounded shallow and undynamic

[upbeat pilot]

Are wireless headphones worse than wired?

[cursive summit]

Usually, yes

[timber mantle]

Depends on the application

For music, no

For gaming, yes

[cursive summit]

For music they are fine but they are worse

The difference is: can you hear that they are worse

[upbeat pilot]

Ahh

[astral haven]

sure but that happens to not be true for earbuds
the only thing you miss out on is hey siri triggered by the buds themselves, you can still trigger it manually
and afaik you also get the benefit of being able to switch to something that isnt siri as a voice assistant

[timber mantle]

We're likely talking about using a phone not a dedicated audiophile grade mp3 player

Otherwise I don't think they'd ask

[cursive summit]

Not what Bean is talking about

Bean's gaming

[upbeat pilot]

Ye

[timber mantle]

Then yeah wireless are definitely worse

[upbeat pilot]

Have u personally tried the dt 990s?

[cursive summit]

Nope, I don't like how that sound signature looks

[timber mantle]

That's why I phrased my reply how I did

[upbeat pilot]

Sound signature?

[thick elk]

Reminds me, should look into buying new closed back over-ears sometime for use at work.
But last time I checked I decided my old ones while looking worse for wear could still hold on.

[cursive summit]

Frequency response

[steep creek]

yeah true, though if im right other assistants like google assistant wont have access to starting a playlist in apple music for example, so there are some limitations, in that siri has more access to the device than the other voice assistants

[cursive summit]

Beyerdynamics in general are just not my thing

[steep creek]

im not 100% sure on that though

[cursive summit]

I far prefer AKGs signature

And I have yet to find anything else that replicates it as well, immense soundstage included

[smoky frigate]

I got myself a pair of monoprice m1070 headphones and they are great, paid 235bux for them on the used market. I heard the speaker bits are manufactured by the same factories that supply Audeze, a brand that costs 2-3x more. I don't know if that's true. but they sound way better than they ought to for what I paid for them

[thick elk]

If anyone happens to have any recommendations I wouldn't mind.
Frequency response, as long as I can EQ it I am mostly fine, though shouldn't be too horrible. Harman neutral is mostly good for my taste
Comfort wise, I need somewhat larger and deeper ear cups. and not too much clamping force

I don't care about noise-cancelling, just closed back seems to offer the best balance between keeping the outside mostly out but not being completely oblivious to it.
Wireless or wired, both are fine.

What I currently use has been somewhat fine hd598cs comfort wise, but it does not sound good at all without eq.

[cursive summit]

K702?

[thick elk]

Closed backs

[cursive summit]

Well tbf K371s are K702s just closed

If you need wireless K371BT

[thick elk]

Those seemed rather flimsy and while I never tried them the earcups didn't look great

which is what I mostly look at and start to think maybe not

[cursive summit]

They aren't very well built

Out of closed backs, Audeze Maxwells are very neutral actually, open back levels of neutral

But they are kinda expensive

MMX100 and above models are good

[smoky frigate]

I like to watch Z reviews on youtube, they are rambling, uninformative, terrible reviews and I love them for it, honest opinions from a guy with taste

[cursive summit]

I haven't found a good reviewer that isn't Crinacle but crin would rather just do collabs with IEM companies

[thick elk]

Kind of wish there were good places around me to actually try things out comfort wise, as end of the day that's the hardest criterium to fill.

Also the hardest to convey on a review.

at home I am using hifiman HE400SE's which are known for a lot of clamping force but also have a metal headband so it's easily bend into comfort.

[cursive summit]

Closest places from me to try audio is like 200 miles away

I hope I will get to listen to some soon though, I am looking to replace my Cambridge Audio buds

Oh wait Cambridge Audio are making new buds

[gusty kiln]

https://www.androidauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Pixel-Fold-2-Leak-Green-Background-864w-864h.jpg.webp

[cursive summit]

Wtf is that

[gusty kiln]

possible pixel fold 2

[cursive summit]

Ah, interest gone

[astral haven]

the camera bump is obscured, but its still in a strange location for google

[cursive summit]

Heard that Sony will do something with the new Xperia phones this year

Either new design or the branding will change

[gusty kiln]

carm already gave up on sony

[unkempt lake]

The Audeze Maxwells seem dope hut they seem heavy

Idk

[cursive summit]

500g

[gusty kiln]

man none of the 4080S at microcenter can fit into my case

[astral haven]

nah not entirely, and they are in fact refreshing the lineup next year

[cursive summit]

I don't see a problem with 500g but some peeps might

[unkempt lake]

Dremmel

[unkempt lake]

Honestly they look like exactly what I want for high end headphones i just wish they were lighter

[gusty kiln]

prob just go with a 4070TIS

[cursive summit]

You get what you pay for

[unkempt lake]

Go 7900xtx

4070 tis is a meme

[cursive summit]

That card is really not worth the money

[astral haven]

but radeon is also a meme

it really depends on the games you play...

[gusty kiln]

as an AMD shareholder, this is true

[astral haven]

same lol

[unkempt lake]

7900xtx goes on sale regularly for great prices and is worth it

[gusty kiln]

I could get the 4070tis for 650 after trade in

good enough for me

[cursive summit]

650.. dollars?

[astral haven]

yep, but depending on what you do, the 4070ti can both be faster and much better image quality

[gusty kiln]

yes

[cursive summit]

Yeah go with 4070Ti S

That's a good price

[unkempt lake]

ummmm

Nah

I'm talking about xtx not regular xt, raster is faster than the 4080 super and rt perf you get 4070 ti/3090ti ish rt

[gusty kiln]

the only thing AMD has going for it is slightly faster raster at native

at similar pricing

[astral haven]

yes on raster, no on rt

[unkempt lake]

You will lose in rt sure but the xtx still does well in rt

[cursive summit]

If you can get a Ti S for 650 I see no reason to get Radeon

7900XT is like 699 right now

[unkempt lake]

Like if's good enough

[gusty kiln]

well the trade in can be used for amd as well

[unkempt lake]

You just have to manage your expectations a litrle

[gusty kiln]

it's just microcenter store credit

[astral haven]

its worse than a 3090, and in games it uses the raster to almost catch up

[cursive summit]

Ehh I would generally suggest you just get NV

[astral haven]

https://tpucdn.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-tuf/images/relative-performance-rt-2560-1440.png

[unkempt lake]

I said "ish" 3% less

I'd say that's close enough tbh

[gusty kiln]

there's also 2 levels of rt

and amd lose hard on the higher level

[unkempt lake]

But it's good enough is what i'm saying

With rt some effects like shadows barely do jack shit

[astral haven]

its good enough, but its still slower

amd doesnt even support path tracing

[unkempt lake]

Pathtracing is a meme on 40 series

Its cool but realistically it's too demanding for what 40 series can do

[astral haven]

see the problem is that dlss works

[unkempt lake]

50 series? Sure i could see pathtracing being more relevant

[unkempt lake]

Not saying it doesn't

[upbeat pilot]

Guys i did it ( ordered pads for a headset i just got as well so it came out to $1000 )🪦

[unkempt lake]

What i mean is better raster + better vram means between the 7900xtx and the 4070 ti super i'm picking an xtx

Which can easily be found for the same price

Or cheaper

[gusty kiln]

not in the us?

[unkempt lake]

I got my 7900xtx for 890usd this summer

[gusty kiln]

I can get a ti super for 799 right now, XTX for 900 min

at microcenter it's 950 min

[unkempt lake]

I see

[cursive summit]

I hope that's a legit listing cause that's not how you spell velour

[unkempt lake]

I'm in canada pricing is different @gusty kiln

[gusty kiln]

ahhh

[upbeat pilot]

https://a.co/d/fWf7Pt4

[cursive summit]

Ah it is brainwavz

Their shipping takes ages though

[unkempt lake]

But yeah the cheapest 4070 ti supers i can find here at the moment are 1100cad but the cooler is meh on em

[gusty kiln]

oof

[upbeat pilot]

Says Saturday

[unkempt lake]

1250 for other aibs

Currently cheapest 7900xtx is 1300$

[gusty kiln]

damn canada hit hard with nvidia tax

[cursive summit]

Well if it's amazon it's not shipped by brainwavz and it's in U.S somewhere

Ordered at end of January, hope it's not lost somewhere

[upbeat pilot]

Haha wat u got

[cursive summit]

Replacement pads for NDH20s

The NDH20 pads are incredibly fragile

[gusty kiln]

what about those pads LTT have been shilling hard?

[cursive summit]

Glue gave out and they ripped hard

I dunno why would you glue and not sew earpads but Neumann chose to glue

[gusty kiln]

I've always been a stock pads or bust person

[cursive summit]

NDH20 pads are like hard to find, and insanely ovepriced to buy

50$+ for stock replacements

I'd rather get some cheap chinese ones for 15

[unkempt lake]

4080s the cheapest i could find was a Gigapoop for 1375$ but who buys gigabyte gpus

[cursive summit]

I do, I suppose?

[gusty kiln]

[cursive summit]

You need to stop with this elitism

Nothing wrong with jiggybyte

[unkempt lake]

The product is fine

The company is the issue

[cursive summit]

Better than MSI or Asrock as far as current trends are concerned

[gusty kiln]

the only actually really good product line gigabyte have are their monitors

[cursive summit]

And motherboards

Aorus series is genuinely pretty damn great

[unkempt lake]

Problem i have with gigabyte is their rmas

[cursive summit]

MSI has completely lost the plot, ASrock ships bad BIOS

[gusty kiln]

that's all of them except evga

[cursive summit]

Asus is just Asus

[unkempt lake]

I rmaed something once with gigabyte and it was horrendous

[unkempt lake]

Msi did ok

[upbeat pilot]

I love my apex encore

[unkempt lake]

Rma wise

At least here in canada

[astral haven]

gigabyte also has the cheapest dual hdmi gpus
really wish more folks would put on extra ports
asus is very expensive and is the only other option

[gusty kiln]

all the big 4 brands have shit RMAs

[cursive summit]

No clue what that is

[upbeat pilot]

Motherboard

[unkempt lake]

Msi at least has a service center in canada i'll give em that

[gusty kiln]

I wish the USB-C would come back

[unkempt lake]

Sending shit to the us for rmas sucks

[astral haven]

yea, makes me sad that only radeon is doing that now 😦

[gusty kiln]

imagine a card that can provide power deliver and video out to the monitor with only a usb-c

[astral haven]

exactly!!!

[cursive summit]

Why would you ever need USB-C on a GPU other than for VR reasons

[unkempt lake]

My 2080 had a usb c and i never used it

[cursive summit]

And a few select weird Samsung displays that run off of USBC

[unkempt lake]

I just used DP

like anyone without a vr headset would do

Having usb c as an option is nice tho i guess

[astral haven]

usb c = displayport

except with even more bandwidth

i look forward to when computers are all usb c, and if the computer is particularly high power usage, it uses AC

[steep creek]

that sounds nice

[cursive summit]

I prefer micro-b

[astral haven]

laptops and the like still need sd card slots but displayport and hdmi should be legacy at this point

[gusty kiln]

I would still like ethernet on a laptop just in case

[astral haven]

why?

[gusty kiln]

"just in case"

[astral haven]

usb c can easily carry ethernet

rather than carrying an ethernet cable, they will make direct rj45 to C cables

[gusty kiln]

that would be cool

40GBe ez

[astral haven]

monitors and power adapters can have ethernet

[gusty kiln]

yeah I think the surface power adapter have ethernet

or something

[astral haven]

at work i just bought a monitor that has ethernet

[wheat plume]

DeepinOS is working on a Flatpak / Snap competitor format....
Called Linglong

🤔

[gusty kiln]

dinga linglong

[wheat plume]

yeah xxdd

Flatpak
Snap
AppImage
Linglong

[astral haven]

which surface?
imacs definetly have the option but the surfaces we buy come with usb power only on the adapters

[gusty kiln]

did you preorder the framework 16 carm?

[astral haven]

i refuse to purchase a laptop without a touchscreen full stop

[tiny jasper]

@astral haven Hello idk if you remind me. You help me with a problem for headphones and audio interface with muffled audio, and if you remeber i was using the DT990PRO 250 OHM and after a week of pain i decide to return and take the Sennheiser hd 660s but belive or not im still having the same problem 😂

[gusty kiln]

ah

[astral haven]

im considering the minisforum

[wheat plume]

they make laptops now?

[gusty kiln]

I was mistaken, it's only an extra USB

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/microsoft-surface-127w-power-supply-black/6409829.p?skuId=6409829&ref=212&loc=1&utm_source=feed&extStoreId=265

[astral haven]

yea the problem is software on your pc, try yeeting the drivers or whatever

[wheat plume]

dang ok thats pretty cool, their mini PCs seem awesome

[astral haven]

and its a tablet, dunno about full on laptops

[gusty kiln]

yeah I'm tempted by the V3 as well

pretty big though

[wheat plume]

oooo

[gusty kiln]

https://www.minisforum.com/page/v3/index.html?lang=en

[astral haven]

big?

[gusty kiln]

14" "tablet"

[wheat plume]

OOOOOOO THIS IS SO COOL

[astral haven]

id take a 17 inch

that would be super hype

[sharp badger]

That looks quite nice

[gusty kiln]

as a tablet 10-12 is comfrotable

but 14" is fine as a laptop

[wheat plume]

Windows 😢 Wonder what wifi chip it has

[astral haven]

i use the 3:2 13 inch surface book and its a bit small for what i like

heck i just requested a 24 inch touchscreen at work, dunno if ill be approved tho

[wheat plume]

not OLED...shame ;-;

[astral haven]

yea, its livable tho

[wheat plume]

for sure

[gusty kiln]

I'm tempted to get a galaxy book

[astral haven]

dont think there are any 2560 16:10 oleds at all, much less 165hz

[wheat plume]

what is securty level 3?

[cursive summit]

Something off of SCP

[astral haven]

its a list of features that you can look up on microsofts website

[wheat plume]

Does it prevent Linux from being installed in anyway?

or is it purely OS level?

[astral haven]

its hardware support for security features

framework also supports it so presumeably not required

[wheat plume]

hardware support :/ oh

that may make Linux install not possible

[umbral heron]

Nah, it still is possible
It just means it has necessary hardware to enforce L3 security in Intune

[wheat plume]

This tablet would be amazing to use with Gnome desktop, touchscreen gestures on gnome are AMAZING

[astral haven]

are they as good as windows tho?

[wheat plume]

yes

[astral haven]

❌

[wheat plume]

not as good as Windows 8.1 but better than 10 and 11

[astral haven]

what

[steep creek]

huh

[wheat plume]

nothing comes close to the 8.1 gestures on touchscreen

[astral haven]

windows 10 is alot better than 8.1, and 11 is alot better than 10

[gusty kiln]

windows 12 should be tablet friendly

[wheat plume]

no its not xd

8.1 had the best gestures

[astral haven]

???

i dont remember being able to change anything

[wheat plume]

app switching by swiping out from the left side

aahh so smooth

that was a fun one

[astral haven]

and now its a 3 finger swipe anywhere on the screen

[wheat plume]

yeh but that opens the overview

[astral haven]

what

[wheat plume]

with its slow ass jank ass animation

[astral haven]

what are you talking about?

[wheat plume]

this is the same as doing win + tab, right?

[astral haven]

no

[wheat plume]

oh

[astral haven]

thats 4 fingers