🔌│tech

[ashen spindle]

tell that to the 10 different flavours of skylake

[cursive summit]

Aren't skylake just progressively more overclocked cores

[thick elk]

I was about to name exceptions yes, amd k10 was also an example of that.

[ashen spindle]

last 3 generations of intel are also the same xD

[cursive summit]

During the whole Sandy Bridge - Rocket Lake era, was there any real meaningful innovation from Intel's part on core design?

Alder Lake must have been the biggest change in their core philosophy in like 15 years

https://boizoff.com/language/en/aune-ar5000-review-fanfare-entry/ @sharp badger I forgot who else was interested lol

These are sexy phones

[ashen spindle]

well skylake was there after sandy

[thick elk]

Skylake did meaningfully improve ipc over sandy and ivy bridge

It certianly wasn't the same core copy pasted completely, advancements were just slow on intel's part.

[sharp badger]

Interesting 🕵️

[final flame]

Very smexy indeed

[cursive summit]

They also sound sexy

But I wonder if they are a good upgrade over my K702s

[misty saffron]

why are they copying the mid hifiman box

the illusion falls apart once you realize under that cloth is a piece of egg packaging type beat cardboard

[vague needle]

Yes, a lot of architecture innovation happened. The issue was process size stalling, not architecture

[ashen spindle]

Ehhhh it was the bigger issue but architecture didn’t got flawless either

Granted currently it’s much more of an issue than it was with no competition

[vague needle]

Well the architecture had to innovate to keep up with AMD process shrinks

And now as they catch up on size, the architecture advantages they have will come to light finally after 8 years of being behind

That’s big picture, and my opinion

[ashen spindle]

wait who has the architecture advantages in your eyes

[vague needle]

Per core? Very clearly Intel

[smoky frigate]

intel makes it tough to like their products, but I like their products

[vague needle]

Larger process and better single core performance

[ashen spindle]

lets wait till april/may and go about this again

[vague needle]

Then let’s wait until Intel’s on the same process size and have it again because until then it’s just speculation

[ashen spindle]

oh we can wait till arrow lake no problem

[vague needle]

I don’t know how you figure that, in a world where Intel is keeping up with single core and multi core performance on a larger less efficient process, that when it is on the same process it won’t be a clear victor in both of those categories

[ashen spindle]

because the reason they are keeping up on desktop is due to to them being able to clock much higher which is partly thanks from their node

its not purely due to their core uArch

and arrow lake will be ahead a node on amd and really doesn't seem like it can compete

[vague needle]

? The 7950x holds over 5.7ghz sustained and the 13900k is 5.8ghz. Is your assertion that less than 1.7% clock speed difference is why it has 5% better single core performance?

Think about what you’re saying before you say it

[vague needle]

You have literally no clue whether it competes. You know nothing about it or Zen 5

[ashen spindle]

I mean there are public infos that area leaked about both in varying amounts for months already

Turin and turin dense has been sampled to partners for months at this point

[vague needle]

Literal lmao

[ashen spindle]

I mean you talked about how it would take intel 3-4 years from now to be tied with amds process did you not?

[vague needle]

So you see how problematic guessing at the future release schedule can be?

Thanks, I agree

[ashen spindle]

No I am asking you to confirm if you remember saying that two days ago

Just want to be sure or if you changed your mind on that

[vague needle]

It’s a different statement, try and quell your ADD

[ashen spindle]

it was literally about comparing it to zen4 cpus though?

talking about this one, you talked about it taking them 3-4 years or am I reading this wrong?

[vague needle]

Okay so you would agree that if they release 20A this year they are caught up?

And that the incredibly large process shrink on an architecture that wins in IPC even at a larger process against AMD should translate into a very winning Intel cpu generation?

[ashen spindle]

arrow lake will be on A20 and N3 and comes Q4 this year so yes

[vague needle]

I’m personally not sure they will be able to release this year

But if you want to make the bold prediction they do I’m fine with that. Plenty of Intel fans would agree with you

[ashen spindle]

might slip a quarter and its a Q4 paper launch idk doesnt change much

arl is already delayed enough from its original target

[vague needle]

Its target was q3-4 2024 as far back as 2021

[ashen spindle]

the original target was december 2023 ROS

urgh thats a tiny one one sec let me see if I can find one thats readable

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2022/02/Arrow-Lake-P.jpg

[vague needle]

Here’s a 2021 roadmap from Intel like I said

[ashen spindle]

yeah but arrow lake was originally not planed for 20A and just for N3

so due to that getting delayed they also got the chance to use 20A for parts

[vague needle]

Source?

[ashen spindle]

I literally posted it

[vague needle]

You posted a hilariously inscrutable “leak” file from who knows where and who knows when and I posted a summary of Intel’s public roadmap from summer ‘21 on anandtech

https://tenor.com/view/gus-fring-jumpscare-gus-fring-jumpscare-scary-oby-gif-13022434999806691946

[ashen spindle]

lol ok

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-arrow-lake-p-with-320eu-gpu-confirmed-by-a-leaked-roadmap-targeting-to-compete-with-apple-14-premium-laptops if you want where its from

links to the tweet with the original post of the slide

[vague needle]

Lol that’s laptop

[ashen spindle]

it was supposed to be out even before desktop but clearly that hasnt happend

[vague needle]

At this point it’s clear you gobble up leaks in an unhealthy manner so I’ll just go back to my day

[reef patrol]

[cursive summit]

Oh this guy is back

Last time they started arguing about topics they very much don't understand, I wasn't sure they were a troll

This time I am rather inclined to believe they are a troll

[smoky frigate]

anyone could be a secret troll....................

[reef patrol]

Or worse... Secret Hitler

cue advert

[unkempt lake]

But look it says every opinion he states is correct is his about me

How can he be wrong

😱😱😱😱

about anything

[reef patrol]

A true Oracle

[unkempt lake]

The new nostradamus

[cursive summit]

Holy moly but them saying every opinion is correct that also means that him considering himself always correct is literally true

What a chad

[unkempt lake]

Dw if his opinion is different from mine i'll send supernatural beings to punish him 😎

and call his mom

[ashen spindle]

"You have literally no clue"

posts 2 year old stuff that was public since then
"you have no life"
k

could've just admitted you had no clue what you talked about but that works too I guess

[unkempt lake]

That's the mature way of handling a discussion, we all know that's a relic of the past

imagine wanting to discuss a topic like an adults pfffft

And staying civil

[ashen spindle]

and yes I do "gobble up leaks" mostly because it's related to both my job and hobby and I prefer to be able to back up my claims with facts

[cursive summit]

https://tenor.com/view/absolutely-yep-gif-27073135

[wheat plume]

I just had to explain T9 dialing to an Iphone user

cause iPhone still doesnt have that

[steep creek]

i just search for the number or name in spotlight search, contact pops up lol

[ashen spindle]

t9 just seems slower and its not like you are limited to 10 keys anymore so not sure why one would still use it?

[steep creek]

yeah i dont see the need of it either

[cursive summit]

Wtf is a T9 dialing

[reef patrol]

The old way of typing on phones.

[frozen ingot]

was mostly used to type sms faster

when phones only had numpads

[reef patrol]

Mhmm. And was great for texting while not looking. Could type entire messages blind.

[ashen spindle]

basically a way to type names whne you had not touch keyboard

so now you can just type normally hence idk why anyone would use it still

apart from maybe muscle memory

[reef patrol]

Having the physical feedback was great I tell you

(also wouldn't have typed yell instead of tell there )

[unkempt lake]

I just have a favorites list... with the 4 people i ever call and well the phone app opens on it. I don't see a point in t9 dialing

Does anyone like call people outside of immediate family or your doctors office?

[reef patrol]

People...call?

[unkempt lake]

I call my grandma

[digital cliff]

I call everyone

[unkempt lake]

I'm a good granddaughter

[steep creek]

i either call or message

[unkempt lake]

Call your grandmas people they're lonely and need to talk sometimes 🙂

[reef patrol]

My grandma has messenger.

[unkempt lake]

Your grandma has a cellphone???

[digital cliff]

tell your grandma I don't so she'll need to call me

[reef patrol]

And a tablet, and a desktop pc. Yes?

[unkempt lake]

What the helllll my grandma only has cable tv and a home phone

[reef patrol]

No one has a landline here these days

[unkempt lake]

Oh and... i feel proud of myself for this I managed to make her use an eink book reader during covid because the library was closed

[unkempt lake]

Lots of people use them here, our elderly population is very technologically impaired/resistant here

[wheat plume]

damn, tech grandma!

[unkempt lake]

Also most isps offer cable tv and landline bundled together so...

[pale sigil]

My granddad has a phone but my grandma has an old phone that she never uses.

[unkempt lake]

Meanwhile my grandma is still angry that she can't use analog tv anymore and needs a cable box...

And analog's been gone for years and years

Cable boxes are too complicated for her

[reef patrol]

They don't HAVE to be.

Most of them can be set up to power on with a TV and go straight to channel 1. And then it's just a question of using the remote to go up and down the list

[unkempt lake]

Oh i've set up favorites and everything so that its as easy as possible

It's just "its not the same as before"

Resistance to change ya know

[reef patrol]

Shrug

Can't say I agree with that, but to each their own

[unkempt lake]

Wanna come try to talk some sense into my elderly canadian grandma from the woods?

[reef patrol]

[unkempt lake]

Thats what i thought

Lmao

[pale sigil]

My granddad pisses me off with tech

He still doesn't like me getting involved because my uncle is "tech savvy"

All because he gives them a fire stick and a computer every so often but also has loads of shit in his house

The very same uncle told me an SSD was pointless once

[final flame]

https://tenor.com/view/yourepointless-meme-funny-gif-26155501

[misty ibex]

Should I get a 7900XT or an RTX4070TIS? An explanation would be nice (playing at 1440p with a 165hz monitor paired with a 7800X3D)

[cursive summit]

Depends on the price

Exactly the same price? I suppose 4070 Ti Super would be nicer

I would argue anything below 100$ difference is worth getting Nvidia over

More than that? AMD

[misty ibex]

Yep the 7900xt is about $800ish while the 4070 TIS is around the same price

But the 7900 has more vram

Honestly I’ve always used nvidia so I don’t know

[cursive summit]

Go with Nvidia

Same price - generally Nvidia is better now with SUPER launch

[misty ibex]

People online say otherwise but ig I’ll just get a 4070tis

Can always upgrade in the future

It has a lower tdp than the 7900 too

[cursive summit]

Mm, what are they saying?

4070 Ti Super is same performance as the XT, more power efficient

Has superior featureset

Nvidia is only a bad option if they are overpriced

[misty ibex]

Kk

[cursive summit]

Unless you really need extra 4GBs of VRAM

Like.. you are doing CAD work

Fluid simulations or something

CUDA would work better than ROCm there though

But VRAM could be crucial if you work with those tools

[misty ibex]

Nah I won’t

I’ll probably be gaming 90% of the time

[cursive summit]

Nvidia then

[misty ibex]

10% I’ll be editing videos and maybe get into blender

[cursive summit]

Unless you like the look of the AFMF feature

That's an AMD only for now, if Nvidia decides to make their own

[misty ibex]

Alr thanks

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/G1sjqaRll2s

Actually relevant stuff

[vague needle]

no, it was around a very very very long time before cell phones

[reef patrol]

But not in the way people used it in the days of SMS.

[frozen ingot]

and it was still mostly used to type sms faster

at least outside the US where we didn't put letters in our phone numbers

[reef patrol]

I mean... neither did the US. It was just a way to make numbers easier to read 😄

[vague needle]

no, it was not 'mostly used' to do that. it was around in the 1960s

predictive text was more modern, im just talking about the letters on the keypad for phones in general

[reef patrol]

1800-STAR-WARS literally just means 1800-78279277

[frozen ingot]

the era where it had the most widespread popularity and where most people remember it from was from 90s and 00s cell phones

[vague needle]

buddy that's just not true

[frozen ingot]

ask most people today and they'd assume it came about during that time

[vague needle]

you might be right, and they would all need to be corrected

[frozen ingot]

it might be incorrect yes but its what people member using it from 🤷

in general

[reef patrol]

I don't know of anywhere that used T9 before the advent of the SMS.

[frozen ingot]

yeah its what introduced it to the mainstream

[vague needle]

i was talking about the keypad touchtone standard, not predictive t9 - maybe i got the conversation crossed

[reef patrol]

We had the letters, we didn't use them.

Pre-Predictive T9 if you will..

[frozen ingot]

right

[vague needle]

it was used for vanity numbers and marketing

like mansen said

[reef patrol]

Only in the US as far as I'm aware.

Never saw it domestically or abroad.

[frozen ingot]

call 0800-CLEAN-MY-COLON today

BUT AM NOT DONE YET

[reef patrol]

Of course most countries didn't have the natural challenge of 300 million people all sharing one country code and thus telephone database 😄

[vague needle]

was only for english countries - us, uk, aus

[misty ibex]

Do I pair a fan or liquid cooler for my 7800X3D?

My friend recommended the Deepcool Assassin 4 as a fan cooler and told me to stay away from liquid coolers because of the possibility of it leaking

[reef patrol]

Leaking, or just dying after a couple of years.

[frozen ingot]

aircooling is less maintenance for sure

[reef patrol]

A strong air cooler is cheaper to repair. Just need to replace the fans.

[misty ibex]

The air cooler he recommended can support up to a tdp of 250 so

[frozen ingot]

you only really need watercooling if you push things really hard and/or live someplace really hot

[misty ibex]

It’s ample

[vague needle]

standard tower coolers last much longer and the 7800X3D is very coolable by a big tower cooler because of wattage and density

[misty ibex]

Don’t plan on overlocking

[misty ibex]

👍

[reef patrol]

The CPU will push itself regardless. OC is a thing of the past.

[misty ibex]

[frozen ingot]

I'd probably get assassin 4 if I were to build a new pc today

[vague needle]

better cooling = higher clocks under load automagically 🙂

noctua has their new NH-D15 replacement soon, right?

might be worth waiting for that

[cursive summit]

https://the-decoder.com/google-releases-new-bard-gemini-model-that-is-on-par-with-gpt-4-in-human-evaluation/

... it's not really on par with GPT-4 but it's pretty good

[wheat plume]

Windows has a new Task Manager icon now?!

its very blue

wonder of it changes to match the system accent color... hmm

[digital cliff]

I gotta say lana, even for you, posting about a singular icon change is very weird

[wheat plume]

:P

The installer is "new" also

still cant use the actual name of the drive, I see....

[reef patrol]

Could have fooled me.

[wheat plume]

the options are now at the TOP!!!!

WOOOO!!! what a great design overhaul!!!!

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/owen-wilson-wow-marley-and-me-smooth-hd-hq-gif-977282450591946462

[wheat plume]

/S

GG Microsoft, you are only a trillion dollar company..... cant expect much from you, can we?

[ashen spindle]

thats new?

[wheat plume]

"new"

some UI elements rearranged

yeah.....

[digital cliff]

I don't think anyone else except you cares about how the installer looks

although I do have to say it still screams 2005 when it could... not

[wheat plume]

If they make it look as nice as the new OOBE UI then id love that

this is still Windows 7 UI ....

[digital cliff]

make it look like calamares

[reef patrol]

Vista*

[wheat plume]

calamares isnt even the best looking one

[cursive summit]

That to my knowledge is not new

[wheat plume]

that either goes to the new Ubuntu one or the DeepinOS one IMO

[wheat plume]

not new...just rearranged UI elements

they are at the top now....instead of other the drive / partition list box

[cursive summit]

So uh.. nothing new

[wheat plume]

exactly .-.

[cursive summit]

Ngl, this

[frozen ingot]

lana really starting to reach for things to shit on microsoft for ngl

[cursive summit]

So, typical linuxshit behavior?

[misty saffron]

you know how WinPE is a minimal environment that’s meant to run entirely from memory, right?

this is so people could boot it with half to one gig of ram

[wheat plume]

🤔 never heard of that

[misty saffron]

people use it for troubleshooting and i’d imagine it saves a lot of time to just boot and plug the usb into a different computer right away

including dwm and all its dependencies to render a fancy ui isn’t exactly the goal there

[misty ibex]

Man what

I was told that the 4070ti was perfect with the 7800x3d

[misty saffron]

is this userbenchmark

[cursive summit]

You are buying the best CPU that exists for gaming, don't pay attention to "bottleneck calculators"

[misty saffron]

i think it’s better to not pay attention to userbenchmark in general

[misty ibex]

No

[misty saffron]

oh wow

[misty ibex]

Don’t use userbenchmark

Bias and bs

[misty ibex]

Ok

Hopefully the 8800x3d will be good 🙏

[misty saffron]

something tells me the website with cpu and gpu offers front and center isn’t exactly unbiased

[cursive summit]

9800X3D but okay

[misty ibex]

Mb

Is this a good monitor for 1440p or should I look for something else

[cursive summit]

Is that a VA or IPS?

[misty saffron]

i’m sorry how much

[cursive summit]

Idk looks alright for the price, I'd get a 500$ miniled though

[misty ibex]

Ips

[misty saffron]

i’ve bought my 165hz 1440p monitor with an excellent, albeit VA panel for 800 bucks 5 years ago

[cursive summit]

Yeah it'll be average then

I would just get a miniled

[misty saffron]

oh wait i’ve been looking at the wrong number

[misty ibex]

Don’t rly wanna spend more than $350 for a monitor

[cursive summit]

Ehhh you would not be maximizing your rig's capabilities

You would want to go for HDR1000 high refresh gaming especially with a 4070Ti Super

[misty saffron]

cheaping out on the monitor is probably the worst thing you could do

objectively

[misty ibex]

I’ll pass for a miniled

[cursive summit]

Reason being?

[misty ibex]

Expensive

[cursive summit]

500$ as far as displays go, kinda isn't

[misty saffron]

it’s like those tiktok builds with genius mice

[misty ibex]

I’m trying to keep my build at $2500 and I’m at $2400 right now not including the wooting keyboard

[cursive summit]

Wtf is your rig

[misty ibex]

U want all the specs ?

[cursive summit]

Share the pcpartpicker link

[misty ibex]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RYFmRK

[cursive summit]

Okay already we have issues

Far too expensive case

You can easily get 50$ off of that

You don't need case fans either imo

90$ saved

[misty ibex]

Why fans

[cursive summit]

You really don't need fans

[misty ibex]

And one of my friends recommended me a h9 flow

[cursive summit]

Also the CPU fan is also way too expensive

[misty ibex]

It’s lower than its msrp

[cursive summit]

100$ for an air cooler is a bit nuts

[cursive summit]

There are superior options

[misty ibex]

I don’t want a liquid cooler

[misty saffron]

man this is criminal

[cursive summit]

That wasn't the point

[misty ibex]

My first time building one

[cursive summit]

You are spending the money you would spend for a full liquid cooler on a fan

[misty ibex]

He told me not to get a liquid cooler

[cursive summit]

Liquid AIOs aren't cheap and better than air

[misty ibex]

And get a fan instead

[cursive summit]

That's good

[cursive summit]

Correct decision

[misty ibex]

Easier to maintain and liquid coolers could leak

[cursive summit]

You got the wrong fan though

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-SE-ARGB-TL-C12C-S-Technology/dp/B09P4M4C7K

33$

[misty saffron]

159 dollar case is also criminal

there are better options at 50

[cursive summit]

@misty ibex https://gamersnexus.net/megacharts/cpu-coolers

Your 100$ Assassin IV is on par with a 33$ cooler

[misty saffron]

you save 250 just by doing away with the rgb fans, an overpriced cooler and an overpriced case

[cursive summit]

Get the Peerless Assassin with 2 fans, it'll be great

Ditch the case fans and get a cheaper case with included case fans

[misty ibex]

K

He just told me to get the h9 flow since it’s “beginner friendly” and he has it and he says it’s a good case for airflow

I’ll def change the cpu cooler though

[misty saffron]

all new cases are beginner-friendly

i would never shill nzxt because it’s an overpriced piece of junk

(i currently have an nzxt aio in my pc)

[cursive summit]

Imo this is good https://www.amazon.com/Lian-Li-Tempered-Computer-Included/dp/B0BN3SY5XW

50$ savings, included fans, Lian Li quality (which is good)

[misty ibex]

Big ass fans

[cursive summit]

You want big ass fans

[misty saffron]

big ass fans are quieter

[cursive summit]

Mm I see that Phanteks Eclipse G360A is even cheaper than Lian Li

Has 3 included fans

You decide which is cooler looking

[misty saffron]

i run a 200mm fan on full blast all the time and it’s nearly impossible to hear

[nimble canopy]

lol these bottle neck calculators
yeah that 6900xt wont be a bottle neck at 7680 x 4320

[fair gull]

it says for general tasks

honestly dont see why it wouldnt be able to run general stuff at that res

[ashen spindle]

we need like 4 years more of ai before those websites are really that great

[misty saffron]

lmao

[nimble canopy]

it would run but not great and the gpu will be a massive bottle neck not some "3.8%"

[misty saffron]

no bottleneck seen

[mild dome]

To think the Noctua D15 used to be king
How the hell are these new cheaper coolers thrashing it?

[cursive summit]

I mean, market changed fast

[mild dome]

It's like seeing an untuned budget shitbox beat a Ferrari

[cursive summit]

Perhaps Noctua is a bit overpriced?

[ashen spindle]

you pay for brand name for warranty/support etc.

like people got free socket adapter kits after years

[mild dome]

Warranty support is sensible, but couldn't you buy 4 of the cheaper coolers before matching the D15's price?
Maybe that new D15 will shake things up

[cursive summit]

There's a new D15?

Imo for a CPU cooler all that matters is the price

Price = popularity

As long as Noctuas are like 80$ for D15 I expect them to continuously lose market share

[mild dome]

IRC Noctua was giving it a design update, Can't imagine it'll revolutionise the air cooling space, but at least get the bloody thing to perform on par with the Peerless Assassin

[ashen spindle]

yeah new d15 coming

sometime in the future as always

https://noctua.at/en/product-roadmap

[mild dome]

Though tbh I think the cooler that's going to blow people away is likely going to be copper Ice Giant prosiphon if that ever comes out

[ashen spindle]

Q2 currently but I bet it get's delayed again

also it depends, for a 70W cpu I would just get a NHd12 or U15 or whatever they are called

not like you need a d15 for a 7800x3d

[mild dome]

Obviously we should be encouraging that PC noobie above to go LN2!

[misty ibex]

Ram clearance is an issue apparently

[cursive summit]

What

[misty ibex]

And reviews are saying it isn’t the best

[cursive summit]

You trust random reviews or actual independent testing?

Wtf was that website called, I keep forgetting it

I doubt there should be any clearance issues from checking compatibility and forums

[cursive summit]

RAM clearance isn't a universal problem, depends on installation and motherboards

Also that comment is full of shit

Couldn't cool a 13600K?

It literally cooled a 200W 16 core at 55 celsius

That's just user error

I do wish you'd take some lower profile RAM sticks though, those current ones have a big forehead

Anyways https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm4hyIHe1PM

[misty ibex]

Ehh I’m gonna stick with the assassin4 for now

I can always change it out if I want to

[cursive summit]

Dumb choice but alright

[misty ibex]

Buddy

I got told by a guy who built like two pcs

[cursive summit]

Only 2

[misty ibex]

Yeah not everyone is rich enough to build $2K PCs

not to mention he’s like 16

[cursive summit]

You do realize the fact they built a PC doesn't mean they are suddenly informed of the best market options?

[misty ibex]

He’s using it

The fan also has good reviews

[cursive summit]

I don't care they are using it, you can literally save 70$ by getting just as good of a cooler

If you don't trust proper reviewers who've been doing their job for decades over some rando guy, that's a you problem

[misty ibex]

Can this handle a 7800x3d though

[mild dome]

I built 8, get the cheaper one, and if it doesn't work just exchange it later

[ashen spindle]

yeah a 7800x3d is limited to lower power than the cpus its tested on so that works just fine

[misty ibex]

Gotchu

[frozen ingot]

thermalright is reputable

[mild dome]

Show your pal Gamer's Nexus' review of the Thermalright. They simply might be aware it exists

[frozen ingot]

been making quality coolers for almost 2 decades now

[ashen spindle]

in the test it cools a cpu that draws almost 200W the 7800x3d draws less than 100

[cursive summit]

200W at 55°C btw

Which are incredibly good temps

Half of that power and that X3D will never see temps more than 40

[misty ibex]

Peculiar

[ashen spindle]

thats not how things work so dont jump to conclusions about what temps it will get

[cursive summit]

I would say get the non-SE version though

SE is a bit shorter, and has less fins, so the non-SE is a more reliable pick just if in any case you have clearance issues

[misty ibex]

👍

[misty ibex]

Non se is $20 more

[mild dome]

Say what's the best fan for low noise high airflow? I got a device that needs a 120mm fan, the noctua a12 inside is freezing up. I was looking at the t30 which I think might fit

[cursive summit]

If a Hyper 212 can keep a 70W CPU under 40, then I think Peerless can keep a 7800X3D under 40

Per Gamer's Nexus CPU cooler testing charts

[ashen spindle]

what gn tests are not zen4 cpus right? so a different heat spreader which means the heat transfer is different so the curve of how warm something is at a given wattage is different

[cursive summit]

Supermicro fan

At 100% speed of course

[cursive summit]

Even then, it's not going anywhere past 60

[misty ibex]

Yeah the assassin 120 has ram clearance issues @cursive summit

[cursive summit]

My 5600 basically idles at 60 the poor thing

[cursive summit]

Source?

Cause I already read up on that and I can tell you it likely does not have clearance issues

[misty ibex]

https://youtu.be/xHsBOSLOQ8U?si=JAx4ruz6EcqB59MJ

2:40

[cursive summit]

So uh, get a proper normal RAM kit?

[misty ibex]

I did…?

[cursive summit]

Those Crucial ones have a massive forehead, just get a similar kit that's of a normal design

Like the Ripjaws S5

I'd always recommend Trident Z over anything but those are a bit expensive

[astral haven]

@gusty kiln ended up ordering the s24u.

With all the discounts and trade-in the Xperia would end up being double the price and who knows if it'll even be better, combined with missing dex, pen, and peak design not making an Xperia case and yea...

[modern glen]

does anyone of you guys know if I can make the clicks from my viper v2 pro lighter? On a long session its stressful to press them really often (like fortnite freebuild)

[desert rune]

pretty sure you can mod your switches i would look up a YT video on it. ive seen people do it for other mice

[modern glen]

Okay thanks

[final flame]

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253596207?=undefined&previousThread=254992206021&sortBy=best

Ah apple

[gusty kiln]

are you aware of the less vivid screen colors currently? Though it seems to be purely software and probably fixed by the 31st real launch date

but also NICE

welcome to the club

[astral haven]

meh im generally fine as long as its accurateish

[gusty kiln]

honestly it is probably more accurate

closer to apple's display

[astral haven]

speaking of screwed up colors, nvidias auto hdr feature

[gusty kiln]

what did you get with your extra spending cash?

[astral haven]

works perfectly on pure straight from camera video content

[astral haven]

buds 2 pro and a smarttag

[gusty kiln]

nice

wish the buds fe has wireless charging

[astral haven]

what

[gusty kiln]

but they fit really well

[astral haven]

even the buds+ from like 3 years ago had wireless charging wtf samsung

[gusty kiln]

yeah one of the cuts for the "Fan Edition"

[astral haven]

ripperino

yea i never saw reviews of them for some reason

[astral haven]

as soon as you mix digital and real content it is pain
the digital content seems to be interpreted as full brightness, which hurts

[misty saffron]

i’ve built 6 by my twenties, i’m now the ceo of opinion

wrong reply but close enough

[long kayak]

yo my wooting windows key isnt working for some reason

nvm it just randomly came back on lmao

[neon gyro]

Anybody got recommendations for a 34” IPS Ultrawide and 27” 1440p IPS monitor?

[native cipher]

hey everyone i got a question regarding the woofing keyboard and fortnite. For context i use a gmk joystick to move for fortnite and have my control as my jump and edit as C but for some reason when i press control and c together fast it doesn’t register that my edit button is being pressed but when i change my jump bind to a letter key i’m able to jump and edit at the same time. does anyone know how to fix this?

[halcyon moss]

https://youtu.be/VHHT6W-N0ak?si=q3GoG2d7sOEDKLV5

[cursive summit]

https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/1155#issuecomment-1913361757

Nitter is dead

[raw zephyr]

what is nitter?

[umbral heron]

Alternative front-end for twitter iirc

[raw zephyr]

ah

[fair gull]

not surprising?

[umbral heron]

Yeah, should be called NX now

[fair gull]

no i mean in general with x disabling guest view it was almost senseless to still host nitter

[thick elk]

Login walls are the main reason for me to avoid X. A general trend I hate on the internet also. Everything moving to closed off platforms.

[fair gull]

time to go back to forums

[thick elk]

Forums are nice especially if you later need info someone else already posted

[fair gull]

maybe if we talk games. desktops are incredibly easy to run and render

idk about decoding media files at that res and displaying them fullscreen but just running a desktop and general apps no issue

im almost sure my cpus igpu can do 4k general tasks with its igpu no issue

[pale sigil]

Indeed

Igpus are not poo like they used to be

[fair gull]

where these bottleneck things struggle (and get misused a lot) is for tasks like gaming, 3d modelling/rendering at those res and other heavy workloads on both cpu/gpu

[latent mural]

Hello the Wooting team,
I have a question about your keyboard.
I think you make very good keyboards, but I would like to order an aluminum case from aliexpres.nl and use your module from the 60he, keycaps and lekker switches.
However, I don't know if I need to order anything else to make my keyboard complete and working.
Could you please let me know if I am missing anything.

[reef patrol]

https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f

You need the module of course.

You need switches
You need Keycaps
You need a Case

[latent mural]

Ok, Thanks. Do you recommend a foam?

[reef patrol]

Module comes with case foam.

[latent mural]

alright thanks

Delivery always takes quite a long time on Aliexpress, how long does it take at Wooting since I want to receive it approximately at the same time.

[umbral heron]

You should get info about estimated delivery date during checkout, and after finishing order - in hub https://hub.wooting.io/my/orders

[latent mural]

I understand but i havn't orderd yet and i want to get my module, switches and keycaps (wooting)and case (aliexpres) at the same date to deliver. Aliexpres delivery date is 12 days but i don't know what the average date from wooting is

[umbral heron]

During checkout - just add module to cart and choose delivery option, and website will show you estimated delivery time, you don't have to order to see it

However, since modules are in stock I don't think it should take long

[digital cliff]

you'd want to add everything into the cart and check the estimate for that, as it's dependent on whether everything is in stock or not

delivery estimate is basically restocking date for the slowest item to restock + few days for packing + however many days the courier claims to take

[latent mural]

ok

[reef patrol]

HAHAHAHA

Fuck you Meta. Enjoy the EU lawsuit 😄

[warm hollow]

are the Kiwi orchestra lite a good choice for Valo and CS2 or the AFUL AUDIO Performer 5?

[cursive summit]

https://chipsandcheese.com/2024/01/28/examining-amds-rdna-4-changes-in-llvm/

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/E96LCzkdSOo

120 dollars
all it needed was an SSD

2014 macbook pro

[halcyon moss]

thats 10 years old

[wheat plume]

yep

and its still much MUCH better than any 120 dollar laptop you can buy brand new

MacOS Big Sur too

[halcyon moss]

that they're worth anything is quite remarkable

[reef patrol]

The video is all about buying preowned macs instead of a chromebook costing the same.

[wheat plume]

yep

this didnt come with a charger though

or ssd but ssds are cheap now, 128GB for 15 dollars isnt bad

[reef patrol]

Yes it did

Oh. Different video. I guess all of the youtubers are making this exact video now.

[wheat plume]

just found a video defending 2024 macbooks coming with 8GB RAM as base price....

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVsBzMLsviI
This is an identical video I watched the other day. Confused the two.

[wheat plume]

LOL why is there a red skull? xd

MacOS makes heavy ass use of swap space on the 8GB models

meaning wearing down the SSD faster

[reef patrol]

It has the retina issue where the anti glare coating becomes really ugly.

He fixed it by rubbing some mouthwash on it.

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/Qb4v6YaEQa0

this actually goes really indepth

[cursive summit]

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.8-More-Zen-5-And-PMF

Ew

More of these spyware features

[wheat plume]

huh?

oh, phones do that already LOL

[cursive summit]

I like how we need intelligent AI detection to figure out that a user is not indeed at their computer, like.. idk.. there's no keyboard/mouse input?

They don't have media open and playing?

[wheat plume]

yeah lol

[cursive summit]

I fail to come up with cases where a user would still be active at their computer after 5 or so minutes of inactivity with no input and no media playing

[wheat plume]

yeah...

Phones do it already by usinf the front camera to see if you are looking at the screen or not

[analog sinew]

wtf

[frozen ingot]

we watching you fam

love google

[wheat plume]

Apparently they aren't

At least with this feature

Though that's just taking them at their word
Though they always disclose when they spy on you soooo

[frozen ingot]

in a ToS noone reads

[severe phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E737POxeQs

750 hours with not turning it off at 75% brightness HDR

So yeah, basically not an issue

Unless you play for 750 h ours without turning it off

Oh my god this ISP guy is a fucking knob head

I just lost my internet, I heard a loud snapping noise and the cable connecting to my house fell off into the round

Road*

Right as they happened - internet is gone. Makes 100% right?

Call them. Tell them, describe exactly what happens...

Guy asks me if I can try restarting the fucking modem

[frozen ingot]

oleds burn in if you leave static shit on for too long, big surprise to noone in 2024

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye60Wf8lUt8

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/YtsINaHI1jdPIkICVCn3KNWISWSwDTAhtbc6PR0ZPP8/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/GFBDYmwaAAAcOxL.jpg%3Alarge?format=webp&width=708&height=388

not the most efficent ofc but we finally getting first glimps of low range not needing more than an apu

[reef patrol]

What - No comparison with the 7800X3D? Boo 😄

[ashen spindle]

I mean it's there

13 fps

igpu is just as bad as on the 7700

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

its going to perform the same

[reef patrol]

Oh it's the iGPU test.

Long day. Of course it is - With those framerates 😄

[astral haven]

We said that back in the original iris pro days, but the games kept getting harder to drive and the igpus didn't keep up then
Will amd keep on pushing the igps as the games get more demanding?

[ashen spindle]

Strix halo hears you

[astral haven]

yea but will that actually exist?

will it go into a socket? or just laptops

[ashen spindle]

Amd is on a path to make everything an apu or similar so I‘d hope so

[astral haven]

apu sure
but am5?

[ashen spindle]

Idk

[umbral heron]

Both Strix Point and Halo got patches to ROCm, and AMD is preparing to also introduce patches to LLVM soon

[astral haven]

again not the question or the concern

[ashen spindle]

If we get an AM5+ for zen6 perhaps it could be coming to that

[reef patrol]

True. I could run Overwatch at 1080p low on a 2200G with APU. Fairly stable 60FPS.
30 in Far Cry... 5? 4? The yeehaw one.

[astral haven]

oh god

[ashen spindle]

I mean I don’t think it’s completely decided yet how that is looking but that’s one option I think is realistic

[astral haven]

fm2+ flashbacks

anyways @gusty kiln xperia rumors are very sad for the xperia crowd, but real good for me who isnt going to be getting one
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Leak-details-triple-48-MP-camera-setup-of-Sony-Xperia-1-VI.797960.0.html

optical zoom gone entirely, furthest optical telephoto is now 3x, furthest digital crop with 12 megapixels is 6x

[ashen spindle]

I forgot it's just having an lpddr controller so perhaps just on a nuc

or maybe on said am5+ socket if they do go that route

[astral haven]

they should also do laptops in theory

[ashen spindle]

well yes I meant just on a nuc on top of laptops not just in nuc lol

[astral haven]

yea
still not a great solution for upgrading

[ashen spindle]

I think it will mostly depend on what demand they see for halo in which markets

[astral haven]

ofc
other thing tho is it wont be cheap itself, and if it has upgradable memory it will be even more expensive

[ashen spindle]

No but it will be the first big one and if oems or diy see demand there is reason for amd to continue doing the big ones

[ashen spindle]

ok even if we get am5+ halo wont be on it, im just stupid

[astral haven]

😦

it could be on package memory?

acting as l4?

[ashen spindle]

that would be a different chip then

[astral haven]

why?

[ashen spindle]

256b L5x@8533 is what the config is for it

[astral haven]

and?

[ashen spindle]

what you mean they just slap a random block of memory on it?

[astral haven]

pretty much lol

[ashen spindle]

I mean possible I guess, maybe that was some of the canceled strix apu products but we would know about that by now

[astral haven]

4 packages of lpddr5x should fit next to the chip right?

[ashen spindle]

and keep it on am5 package size? dobut since I don't think you have the pins to make that work

[gusty kiln]

nice, sounds like you dodge a bullet

[astral haven]

yea
hopefully 2025 redesign will bring better cameras

[gusty kiln]

do you do a lot of manual photo shooting?

cuz that is like the only real reason to go Sony

[astral haven]

not really manual

but video and moving subjects

sony has by far the best autofocus

[gusty kiln]

ah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7W45pp-pN4

pretty decent video for those worry about oled burn-in

[astral haven]

My current monitor has 3700 hours on it and it's a year and a half old

[gusty kiln]

Lol jeez, do you keep your pc on all the time?

I shutdown at the end of the day

[astral haven]

I use my monitor significantly more than my pc

dex remember?

I also have a chromecast hooked into it for movie watching

[gusty kiln]

Oh yeah

I mainly use dex with my xreal

[astral haven]

i spend about 2-4 hours a night, and i cant stand the xreal for more than an hour

[gusty kiln]

Oof

[ashen spindle]

hmm I remember seeing how long my screen was on somewhere a while ago, is there a debug menu on the alienwares or was that a 3rd party tool?

[astral haven]

theres almost always a debug menu, had to look it up for my monitor

(on samsung you set brightness and contrast to 0 and hold the power button for 5 seconds)

[ashen spindle]

ah its called service menu thats why I didnt find it

8712 hours uptime lel

[gusty kiln]

god damn

[astral haven]

when did you get yours? and how frequently do you split your screen for multiple windows?

[ashen spindle]

never, delivery need to check

[gusty kiln]

plenty of 4070 ti super in stock at microcenter, looks like they aren't selling well

[crisp granite]

hahaha

4080 Supers will disappear though
probably

[ashen spindle]

first week of may

[crisp granite]

...when do they come out again?

[analog sinew]

very soon

uuh

[crisp granite]

like tomorrow probably idk

[fickle ore]

Computer hardware isnt selling well because its normal cyclical market and we're at the bottom of a cycle

[ashen spindle]

31st is the launch

but apparently reviews are not tomorrow because due to weather many publications got their cards late so review embargo got pushed a day back

[crisp granite]

....DAMN

so reviews on launch day

as long as it's what I expect out of the 4080 Super, I'll be happy

[gusty kiln]

plenty at msrp too

[ashen spindle]

I mean not much to see its going to be what everyone knows

[crisp granite]

1. small improvement, hopefully 10, but not 20% over an actual 4080
2. 200 USD cheaper than a 4080

if it's those two things
I'm happy as a clam

[analog sinew]

eh I still wont buy it but it is at least the right direction

[smoky frigate]

yeah still too expensive. market should not be so quick to forgive

[ashen spindle]

well we should see some price competition at computex which makes it nicer for more people

[vague needle]

OR they learned from the supply issue and are correctly supplying the market so that supply is available

[final flame]

mine is currently at 8400 hours

[astral haven]

i mention this quin since it is very rare that I dont have my monitor split in half
currently doing discord and a page of documentation on the other side, real pain for long term oled use

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah probably

[reef patrol]

Another day another fucking Youtube A/B test.

Today's cancer. Let's try 3 video rows instead of 4. CAUSE BIGGER THUMBNAIL'

[ashen spindle]

hey im just glad its not 3 columns on ultrawide anymore

[astral haven]

mine is 4 video rows on half of my screen

wait no thats columns

5 rows

[ashen spindle]

if I go to a channel its 4 columns huh home screen its 5

[astral haven]

channel seems constant 4

wasted space galore

the main page fills the page regardless of width

if i make the page super skinny it drops down to 1

[gusty kiln]

make it dual hz and take my money

https://www.techpowerup.com/318426/top-amd-rdna4-part-could-offer-rx-7900-xtx-performance-at-half-its-price-and-lower-power

only thing preventing me from buying a 4080S right after launch

if they can actually fix the idle power issue and lower the power draw in general

[ashen spindle]

source mlid

[gusty kiln]

oof

[ashen spindle]

I mean it seems like the ip is not broken unlike rdna3 so that will be fine but pricing is as always up in the air

[gusty kiln]

but I can see 7900xtx perf for 600-700

for next gen though?

nvidia won't have a new arch this year

[ashen spindle]

I mean it's not going to be the same performance at the same price, might as well not launch it then

[astral haven]

why on earth would they bother with that much lower price if they can just sell it for more money?

also the source is MLID 🤣

[gusty kiln]

RDNA4 is suppose to finally match 4090

[ashen spindle]

if you launch a 7900xtx-performance card for 7900xtx price it's not making sense, but neither its a 50% cut

[ashen spindle]

ehhhhhhh not really sadly

[gusty kiln]

oof

[astral haven]

source : mlid

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amds-canceled-radeon-rx-8000-navi-4c-gpu-diagram-has-been-partially-leaked remember

[gusty kiln]

nah that was just my guess since nvidia is in no hurry to release a new arch

[ashen spindle]

I mean they cant make it sooner is the reason

you cant hurry it

[gusty kiln]

obviously nvidia will leap frog once in 2025

[astral haven]

lol that too

[ashen spindle]

the annoying part will be now that the big chiplet version isnt coming reddittors™ will think that was the issue with rdna3

[gusty kiln]

FE still looks better

[astral haven]

problem is its alot easier to cherry pick much worse results the other direction
https://tpucdn.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-strix-oc/images/relative-performance-rt-2560-1440.png

[crisp granite]

don't remind me of that beautiful card

I still can't find em

[gusty kiln]

proart still looks better imo

[astral haven]

i much prefer the look of the fes :/

[gusty kiln]

same

espeically the new blackout super versions

[crisp granite]

the FEs are...ok?

I'm not sold on the flow through cooler because no ITX cases really support it

often the fan is just blowing into a solid wall xD

[gusty kiln]

how else am I going to get papa jensen signature

[astral haven]

why?
fe is dual fan and shorter

i mean thats also a romanization just a different one

[gusty kiln]

cuz it's the unwanted middle child

[astral haven]

oh wtf

nvidia why

[gusty kiln]

they rrrereeeaaallllyyy want you to go for the 4080S instead

[crisp granite]

...

:|

[ashen spindle]

this

[astral haven]

im just gonna plug my ears until all the models are fully released

this is super dumb

[gusty kiln]

I think I'll prob wait for RDNA4, been mostly playing TFT anyway

[ashen spindle]

damn thats some tiny gpu die in comparison for modern flagships lol

just 100 something mm^2

[gusty kiln]

me and carm who just dropped 1000+ on a S24 Ultra

well carm prob got more from trade in

[astral haven]

pretty sure that was on 200mm wafers

[astral haven]

yup, i paid 850

[gusty kiln]

nice 450 trade in?

[astral haven]

550

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah right smaller wafers

[astral haven]

went for 1tb

[gusty kiln]

oh wow

ahhhh

I only got the free 512 upgrade

[astral haven]

was +100 for 1tb and ive filled up 512gb several times

[ashen spindle]

oh no that much smaller, they were already on 8 inch wafers for the vodoo2

[gusty kiln]

I honestly don't use much space on my phone, even more so when I start self-hosting

[astral haven]

whatever 200mm is

[ashen spindle]

yeah thats the 8 inch ones

[gusty kiln]

ez, just go threadripper

[astral haven]

250ish dies per wafer to 600 for 10x10mm on 200mm vs 300mm

[gusty kiln]

my 2080 was $629 vs my 3700X+X570 Steel legend $529

• $80 for a noctua U14S

[ashen spindle]

yeah but its also 120mm^2 vs 610mm^2 on die size lol

[astral haven]

and i bought a 3090kp at the height of the pandemic for more than all that combined

[gusty kiln]

yeah, the only thing bad about it is the 1st pcie slot placement

[astral haven]

yea fair enough

still cost ends being pretty similar relative to wafer and die size

[ashen spindle]

that idk enough about

[astral haven]

vision pro is gonna be real cheap compared to its die size
its got a 140mm2 + one probably more than 140mm2 + a pair of 621mm2

[gusty kiln]

Good thing that the taichi lite exist now

24 phase vrm for less than 300

[wheat plume]

I love Firefox, best browser

[umbral heron]

I'm having mixed feelings towards Firefox
They broke KDE integration. Again.
Can't drag text from other apps and drop them into new card, it bugs out

[wheat plume]

Oh...

[gusty kiln]

firefox on mobile, especially dex still sucks

[astral haven]

google is just too convenient for me 😦

oh and im up to 8.2tb in google workspace

[gusty kiln]

damn, hope you have a physical backup as well

[astral haven]

google workspace is the backup :/

[gusty kiln]

[astral haven]

Oh dang that doesn't count the complete backups of my phone that I have that are incremental

[dense grotto]

just got my wooting

bro i waited like 2 moinths

[astral haven]

Only 2 months? Nice !

[wheat plume]

Help

Why is theme broken ????

[digital cliff]

I dunno I stopped trying to make themes work xD

long as my file browser looks somewhat like my general rice vibe I'm good

[thick elk]

Looks like a light theme is applied for some part of it. Same here Breeze light works just fine for me

[smoky frigate]

arch? gtk probably updated

[thick elk]

Ah yes, the gimped toolkit

[smoky frigate]

people throw a lot of shade on ubuntu, for a lot of admittedly legitimate reasons, but the much reduced amount of fuckery I need to do to maintain it is worth it

[astral haven]

people throw a lot of shade on windows, for a lot of admittedly legitimate reasons, but the much reduced amount of fuckery I need to do to maintain it is worth it

[thick elk]

It's just a distro, do whatever works for you. Got burned out by Ubuntu a decade + ago, moved around through mint, landed on Arch, never looked back.
I find it the easiest to work with for me.

[smoky frigate]

lawl I hated arch ca. 2009
it's pretty okay now, but random breakage has occurred on my system semi frequently. zero on ubuntu

[thick elk]

being up-to-date stable works out well for me, documentiation via the wiki or the program itself just works well. Maintainance wise really hardly any.

For me ubuntu ca 2011 just kept breaking on subsequent major version bumps

Granted I was using propriatary amd drivers, then which may have also contributed

back in those days, AMD was definitely the worst option on Linux of the three

[smoky frigate]

fglrx was a steaming pile of doggy doo, but it did have some opengl features that the free driver didn't

[halcyon moss]

Oh my I totally forgot that existed

[astral haven]

10% geez

oh thats a promo, normal is 5% off

[smoky frigate]

I give it a few years and it'll be less fucky than winders probably. loonix has been getting consistently better over all this time

I talk about this OS a lot but I would shitcan it in a heartbeat if there was an option that worked better for me btw

[astral haven]

as would I

at this point i think i use dex more than windows, tho i blame that on my computers not syncing with my phone as seamlessly as possible

have to add the qualifier outside of work, including work its not even close

[smoky frigate]

DexOS is a x86 32-bit console like operating system, coded in 100% ASM, by Craig Bamford.
Now when most people think of consoles they think of playing games, that is true, but these very same
console can just as easy be used for web browsing, interfacing with electronics, writting supper fast
apps etc.``` what the fuck

[fair gull]

the real question is has it been tested on any actual consoles yet

last i saw was only screenshots of raspberry pis

[gusty kiln]

thought this was samsung related

wouldn't be surprised if they tried to make a semi-gaming console type thing

4th player from a big company like samsung would be interesting

[smoky frigate]

then it's definitely a samsung thing that I haven't heard about before, and not a hobby project in assembler lol

[gusty kiln]

maybe the person got bought out

[astral haven]

Dex isn't an os

It's a launcher for android

[gusty kiln]

I know, but the branding

[astral haven]

It's probably separate

[sterile hamlet]

finally finished my first pc build

[fair gull]

impressive that new zealand never build a pc before

[sick field]

Anybody knows why my 60% keyboard after a certain amount of time pressing wasd on Fortnite my character runs in a certain direction like they keys be stuck ?

[ashen spindle]

#1019723042244534282

[wheat plume]

got burn in on his OLED Deck after 700 hours

https://youtu.be/_E737POxeQs

[ashen spindle]

was already posted

[wheat plume]

o

[pale sigil]

wtf

just discovered VRB on my monitor

its so smoooth

[wheat plume]

what does the B stand for?

[pale sigil]

Visual Response Boost

[thick elk]

Sounds like a vendor specific name for overdrive?

not familiar with the term

[gusty kiln]

Man new phone battery life is something else. Thibk I can squeeze 3 WFH days out of my S24U

[umbral heron]

And it is, Acer's in this case

[thick elk]

Looking at it, seems backlight strobing

[smoky frigate]

strobing makes LCDs good

[thick elk]

Strobing is pretty nice yea

[wheat plume]

is it possible that some store website's payment processing system would prefer Chrome over any other browser?

[smoky frigate]

absorutery possibru

[wheat plume]

I just tried to order something on a website and it failed twice on Firefox, but with the same details and same card info, it worked first try on Chrome

[thick elk]

but when you start to use a webcam with it you will see the flickering.

[wheat plume]

soooo Chrome bias .-.

wonderful /S

[thick elk]

More often than chrome bias it's some privacy setting / ad blocker / cache messing things up.

from personal experience.

[ashen spindle]

does "insert website" might not have code running on browser that isn't using "insert engine"? yes

but yes anything working is usually something breaking from such settings instead of not being chromium

[thick elk]

Most of the time when something is broken on firefox and I try it on chrome it's just the site being broken.
Other times a clean firefox session would also work, and in rare cases it actually doesn't work on firefox.

[wheat plume]

I didnt try a clean install of firefox

but my Chrome install is not default settings either

far from it

[thick elk]

firefox -p and create a new profile.

[wheat plume]

oh

My Chrome install is heavily modified too though :')

[smoky frigate]

it manifests in perfectly horizontal lines in my phones' viewfinding mode, not unlike a DLP projector. visual retention is a funny phenomenon

[thick elk]

Still when having a video call I just turn it off.

[astral haven]

dlp should also have color banding

[smoky frigate]

yeah it has that

[wheat plume]

Holy shit
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Purism-75M

Makes sense
Their phone is over 1 grand with specs from like 2009 or some shit

[ashen spindle]

scam company values themself at scam value

more news at 11

[wheat plume]

I refuse to believe purism have more money than System76 though ....
Surely???

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IjUryQOlgk

[wheat plume]

Yeh ....

They are pretty shit :/

[ashen spindle]

and even if they were at 75m

what would that mean? nothing

[wheat plume]

Yeah
I know that's a small number in terms of a tech company
But still
Wtf how????

[ashen spindle]

how what

how does a scam company write a scam amonut?

here: I value company x at 666 million dollars

done

[wheat plume]

Hmm...they lying

[ashen spindle]

no they are just putting insane numbers down like as if they could replicated what google did with android

(as the article points out)

[astral haven]

btw i can issue myself 75 million shares, sell 1 to someone random for a dollar and then congrats my company is worth 75m

[wheat plume]

2.13 million dollars from support
Wow

[wheat plume]

.... Is that really how that works???!!!

[astral haven]

yep

[wheat plume]

Bruh

[astral haven]

but thats not the real value ofc

[wheat plume]

Yeh

[ashen spindle]

again, in the site you posted:

their self-assessed $75,000,000.00 valuation

[wheat plume]

Xd

[astral haven]

they are trying to raise a million bucks tho, and basically trying to not lose any control over the company whatsoever

1.25% or whatever

[wheat plume]

Hmm.......

Xiaomi 14 Lite has a dynamic island type notch

[astral haven]

what did they put in the extra camera location?

[wheat plume]

No idea
Imma check

[astral haven]

i also dont think they got the point, the apple island is actually 2 separate hole punches

[wheat plume]

Wait
This is the 13 Lite

That back color is so pretty

[astral haven]

oof

[wheat plume]

400 euro
Oh

[astral haven]

13 light has a depth camera not a projector, interesting

[wheat plume]

13 Lite is 400 euro
13 is 900
13 Pro is 1100
O o

Damn Xiaomi wtf

[astral haven]

yes?

[wheat plume]

Oh
13 Lite is 500
But 400 on sale.....

Oh boy

Xiaomi getting expensive

[astral haven]

snapdragon 8 gen 2 vs snapdragon 7 gen 1

[wheat plume]

Oh hek

And one year of Android updates ;_;

Wish Xiaomi made less phones and supported them longer

You buy one of their phones and suddenly the next one is released

[astral haven]

thats the choice

cheaper with better hardware = worse software guaranteed

[wheat plume]

Worse software update yeah ...

HyperOS seems pretty damn nice

[astral haven]

yea not nescessarily worse software, just worse non hardware factors like software or support

[wheat plume]

Yep yep

[astral haven]

the xiaomi hardware is incredible
the 13 ultra has the best camera sensor setup on any smartphone yet (vivo x100 pro+ or ultra or whatever it ends up being) is looking to beat it soon

[wheat plume]

Yeah I love their hardware
They make pretty colors too 💜

That light pink is gorgeous in the 13 Lite

[astral haven]

i dont think that holds up to reality in the slightest tho

yikes

[wheat plume]

No way that's the pink one

[astral haven]

the blue has an obviously blue camera bump at the very least

[crisp granite]

[halcyon moss]

Man, that shit should be illegal

[severe phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHKmiDfRYOM

(Buy an OLED)

[reef patrol]

Haha (no)

[severe phoenix]

So wait, he said he never noticed IPS Glow to now?

That makes me question all of his reviews

lol

"I've loved my IPS for years, Alan Wake 2 is the first time I ever noticed IPS Glow"

Must've never played any game with dark scenes lol

[unkempt lake]

Maybe he finds horror games scawy

😱

[severe phoenix]

Lol yeah I dunn it's just like PC stuff is his "Job", so it's weird he never really noticed it before.

[unkempt lake]

But who watches DF for a monitor review

[unkempt lake]

Like idk i didnt even know they did those

Thought they just did graphics analysis

[vague needle]

I just use a good VA. Better contrast, no burn in or fade compared to IPS/oled

If I felt comfortable spending $900 every 3 years on an OLED I’d buy an OLED in a heartbeat though

[old marlin]

friend of mine has image retention issues on a VA

[vague needle]

VA doesn’t have retention or fade, really

Not modern ones

Like of the big IPS vs VA vs OLED, VA stays unchanged for the longest lifespan for brightness and burn in

Rtings has good data on it now

[old marlin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/tiyqal/s3422dwg_6_months_old_burnin/

has been listed here for 2.5 years

[frozen ingot]

how many weeks do you have to leave an image up to cause burn-ins on VA

[old marlin]

takes ~6months

[frozen ingot]

because I've yet to see a trace of it on mine

[old marlin]

of normal use

on that specific model

[frozen ingot]

how did they even make that a thing

[old marlin]

[vague needle]

Totally false

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled

Don’t just say things randomly if you don’t know the answer

VA has almost nil retention and the slowest long term brightness and color degradation between IPS and VA

[old marlin]

you compare one different VA

[vague needle]

Yeah so first before posting a screenshot of you being wrong, go read the link

[old marlin]

On August 31, 2017, we started a long-term 20/7 burn-in test on 3 TVs (OLED vs VA vs IPS).

aka

a single VA TV

[vague needle]

What are you saying?

[old marlin]

that you see the result for one of each panel type

[vague needle]

That this VA lasted 2 years magically but all other VA panels last 6 months before retention is visible?

[old marlin]

and just blanket apply it to all monitors of that panel type

[vague needle]

Like what possible other conclusion can you draw here hahahah

[old marlin]

did I ever say all

[vague needle]

Just learn, stop arguing

[old marlin]

does this say "all VAs have image retention issues"

[vague needle]

Did I say your “friend” didn’t?

[old marlin]

or "it is a common issue on VAs"

[old marlin]

yes

you also saiud rtings has "good" data on it

which is entirely based on 3 tvs

[vague needle]

You JUST said it takes 6 months to get burn in/retention issues on VA panels

[old marlin]

no

[vague needle]

Yeah I said that 6 months is a false statement

[old marlin]

I said 6 months of normal use on that specific model

[vague needle]

Brother that’s just not true, it’s not how VA panels work

Don’t know what to tell you

[frozen ingot]

that's pretty based tbh

[old marlin]

it is literally 6 months of normal use on that specific model

[vague needle]

They don’t hold images like that

[old marlin]

it is a widespread issue

on that specific model

[vague needle]

Sigh

Okay man cognitive dissonance is wrecking you I can see that. Hold on to your stance forever.

[old marlin]

Okay man cognitive dissonance is wrecking you I can see that. Hold on to your stance forever.

[umbral heron]

Ok
I concede
Windows is not the worst OS I've ever used
That award goes to Ubuntu and GNOME DE
What does it mean I need to install additional package to have desktop icons? Oh, and ignoring half of my commands, because of some internal configuration... ffs...

[fair gull]

so ubuntu bad because gnome exists?

im unsure if thats a solid definition of OS