🔌│tech

[halcyon moss]

I considered the ev6.. But then I saw the laughably small boot. Those wheels need a lot of interior space

[sharp badger]

Got some cold weather yet again

[smoky frigate]

we got around -9 these days and it's lovely, cold without being wet

[sharp badger]

-5°C to -15°C is ''ok'' weather it's actually nice to be out at that temperature

[cold tendon]

Random questions what is the wooting v2 interface and how could I ask the device for its firmware version my best guess is the wooting_usb_send_feature_with_response function, but im not sure what arguments to give it

[ashen spindle]

#🤖│community_dev might know the answer faster than people that look in here

[cold tendon]

kk

i did not even know that was a channel lol I should prob have on show all channels

[astral haven]

hey hitting 60 vs not is relatively big

oops

i wonder about the 16gb a770 lel

https://tpucdn.com/review/alan-wake-2-performance-benchmark/images/performance-rt-3840-2160.png

thats crazy that the performance of the 7700xt went down so much

https://tpucdn.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-dual-with-m-2-slot/images/rt-alan-wake-2-3840-2160.png
updated numbers including the a770

a770 2x the performance of the 4070S confirmed /s

It really shows that upscaling is just about required for the expected performance

And that running out of ram in rt is a cliff of performance

[versed hinge]

Where’s 3090? Higher up?

Ah nvm I see it

[misty saffron]

i have just realized i've been running my cpu in a sort of 8 core mode instead of 16 for a real while

please kill me

i fucking hate myself

[astral haven]

game mode! Yay /s

[misty saffron]

and i've been wondering why some apps suddenly show as taking up more cpu time in task manager

fuck amd

does it actually just disable a ccd

why the fuck doesn’t windows scheduler just do its shit

this is so dumb

[mild dome]

Yes it does disable a CCD, this was made clear in Ryzen Master when you turned on Game mode

Windows scheduler had a nasty tendency of splitting games between CCDs, which hurt performance. So AMD introduced Game Mode as a bandaid.

[misty saffron]

wish microsoft cared

[mild dome]

Windows scheduler was written by Intel
That's not a joke

Since then Microsoft has patched some improvements for AMD, but it's not perfect. There are programs you can get that will lasso programs onto specific cores for you

Having tried MacOS it's also the same case there

And from what I've heard Linux is built on the idea you build it yourself

Well if an app could do it, why bother having it natively?

Though to be honest Micorosft should've fixed the scheduler for the AMD platform years ago, and maybe given a tool for users for easy control.

Last I heard Windows 11 transferred some functions from control panel and settings to a new menu. Splitting computer customisation options three ways

[versed hinge]

Who cares I’m more interested in 24 day uptime

[mild dome]

Luckily AMD doesn't lock out ECC memory arbitrarily like Intel does

[rotund crypt]

the most optimized of games

[unkempt lake]

Seems more like a you problem honestly

stop doing things without looking it up first

understand things before you do them

[halcyon moss]

Samsung now does 7 years of updates on its phones.

How many does Sony do? Lollll

[old marlin]

it really shows that 8GB is barely enough for 1080p in most cases

[vague needle]

yeah because there was software to mount images since the 1990s, Microsoft didn't feel the need to

daemon tools rise up

again, there were 2 consumer operating systems at that time and MacOS in that era sucked really really hard

then you barely use anything on your computer i guess

except adobe

because in the year 2000 macos was a garbage fire

the browser alone was enough to make me never use it

no, they weren't

they only ran sanctioned programs, no games

no exes, of which much of the consumer software ran from

I SAID ONLY SANCTIONED PROGRAMS AND ALSO NO GAMES

it was a bad user experience outside of 1) adobe and 2) basic office productivity stuff like word processing, email, etc

you know that clip wasnt a game playable on macos right?

[halcyon moss]

It's still a bad user experience

[vague needle]

also halo wasn't 'playable' on macos until 2002, so RIP macos 9 and x lol

anyway my point is that if an OS is so ubiquitous that software for every possible task is easy to find, that's a plus not a minus

re: image mounting and microsoft's lack of need to incorporate it until 8 or whenever

i was mounting images back in XP days with daemon tools

[steep creek]

Free tier of rectangle did the trick for me lol

[halcyon moss]

Why does osx mouse acceleration suck so bad

And why can't I configure that

[steep creek]

Mbp speakers are crisp that along with the trackpad and miniled display I miss the most

[halcyon moss]

It's so so bad

[mild dome]

Also no proper alt tabing

[halcyon moss]

That also drives me up the wall

[mild dome]

Like V be here dissing Windows for not having a feature packed in that only 1% of users will make use of, but can be downloaded if they need it, but handwaving that for MacOS if you want window snapping, alt tabbing or adjusting of the mouse acceleration; features 90% of users will make good use of; requiring they pay for software to reach feature parity with Windows

Ultimately I feel OS preference is more like ice cream flavour preferences
Maybe there isn't a hyper rational reason people prefer the "feel" of one over the other?

[halcyon moss]

True

That why I pain myself by running Linux

[raw zephyr]

i like all flavors but prefer vanilla :D

that's why i use linux

[umbral heron]

I just despise Microsoft, that's why I use Linux

[cosmic thunder]

i use linux

inside windows via wsl

inside macos in my macbook air

i win

[raw zephyr]

🧠💥

[fair gull]

in your VMWare VM inside Windows

[cosmic thunder]

exactly

[old marlin]

@latent cairn in principle the co2 tax is a neat thing, but it requires a lot of monitoring and is really expensive

and since they also tax something like electric energy, no matter how you source it

there are processes that you can't make cheaper/better in this regard

[latent cairn]

meh I trust them to work out the kinks and then itll be a positive on society

shit being expensive isnt the biggest issue when the world has gone to shit

ppl focus so much on short term, thats how we got here to begin with

[old marlin]

tell that to suppliers

companies switch suppliers over 0.001 CENTS for a screw

[latent cairn]

companies making less margin isnt keeping me up at night ngl

[old marlin]

price hikes in basically any supply for the sector I worked in during covid made dozens of companies in it bankrupt

[old marlin]

margins for suppliers atm tend to be stupidly low in europe

[wheat plume]

Ayyy
Plasma 6 default wallpapers were picked!
And they are so pretty

[thick elk]

Not the biggest fan of them, but I am getting bored of those mountain peaks.

[cursive summit]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/95640/amd-drops-radeon-rx-7900-xt-price-to-749-asrock-and-other-models-already-709-99-on-newegg/index.html

Oh damn

Already a response

Wtf are those grammar errors

"repsonse", "possivbly"

They claim there's a press release yet I can only see a tweaktown article up about it, are they sure there is one?

[digital cliff]

these are incredibly pretty, I love the cartoon artstyle

I've been trying so hard to look for wallpapers in this very specific cartoon artstyle and in the colors I want but I never find any and I always settle for something I kinda like but not really

[wheat plume]

Ooo

[digital cliff]

this is by an artist called Moebius

[ashen spindle]

Did you play sable?

Game is in that style and has lots of areas you can use as screenshot wallpaper

[digital cliff]

yep I actually recently started playing it again

for the sole reason of taking a wallpaper screenie

[wheat plume]

:")

Isn't that why many people also played firewatch?

[severe phoenix]

Fire watch is pretty, but the ending is controversial for a reason

I remember being so mad

[digital cliff]

yeah it sucked

[wheat plume]

Shush
I haven't finished it

[severe phoenix]

Lol

[wheat plume]

Xd

[severe phoenix]

It's almost 10 years old!

[wheat plume]

I know....

[severe phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/nature-background-gif-26281859

I knowz just sad realizing it's almost that old

Lol

[wheat plume]

I forgot the main characters names ...

[severe phoenix]

Well yeah, they're average names, I can't remember either

[ashen spindle]

https://vxtwitter.com/aschilling/status/1747589753824784517

Ah always good to see gpu price wars

[cursive summit]

Why only complete systems

769 euro isn't a bad deal tbf

[ashen spindle]

Because it’s a China card that oems wanted

[cursive summit]

Which is also on sale on its own

Actually

[ashen spindle]

Yeah for like not matching stock

[cursive summit]

Cheapest one is 583.92 € rn

That's the same price as 7800XT

Isn't it a wee bit better than that card

[ashen spindle]

7800xt is cheaper

[cursive summit]

Not here brudda

[ashen spindle]

Also it’s not on sale on the amd store where the 7800xt ist 546

[cursive summit]

Cheapest 800XT 560.65 €

I have no qualms paying mere 23 euros more for a better card

Jeez GRE has way more cores

A far better offer

[ashen spindle]

Lower clocks though

CU isn’t everything

[cursive summit]

Not by much, still performs better

[ashen spindle]

Yeah it’s still navi 31 vs 32

[umbral heron]

GRE is 2500zł, XT is 3200

7800 is 2400

[cursive summit]

Lel even on your side of the kebab?

[umbral heron]

Looks like

[ashen spindle]

Well yeah the 900xt is a good 30% better or so

[cursive summit]

7900XT is pretty damn good

sadly starts at 813.01 €

Oh damn, Amazon sure has good deals

[ashen spindle]

They will compete on price since next gen is coming soon

Which is nice

[cursive summit]

Sad that when it comes to leaks GPU market is complete ass

Nobody predicts anything with 100% accuracy nowadays

7000 series launch was a mess in terms of leaks

[ashen spindle]

Well yeah leakers can’t leak when something goes wrong that the company didn’t event know xD

And we don’t have it like cpus where severs get them early for validation so we know things there easier

[cursive summit]

Yeah CPUs are a relatively easy market to leak

GPUs are just all over the place

I mean, it keeps the suspense that we really find out all the details only during a keynote

[ashen spindle]

The leaks are accurate at the time just can be changed easier

You can change tdp of a gpu but not as much on a cpu

Can’t really cut down a cpu core like a gpu die

[vague needle]

Except in the case of zen3 X3D…

[ashen spindle]

Which is the opposite of cutting down a core if anything?

[vague needle]

How is disabling CCD the opposite of cutting down a core

5600X3D?

[ashen spindle]

On cpu side most people care about 1T not nT performance which doesn’t get changed by lowering core count

And some SKUs that use lower than target frequencies aren’t relevant for pre release leaks either

IPC also is usually measured at a fixed clock anyway

[vague needle]

Oh, well I guess a completely different statement than “Can’t really cut down a cpu core like a gpu die” could be true, sure

[ashen spindle]

Yeah if you ignore the entire chat before that and put different context around it yes..

[vague needle]

Since the 5600X3D wasn’t leaked and was a surprise, then maybe not different at all tbh

[ashen spindle]

speculation about next gen unreleased hardware
vs
a single cut down sku that is a few percent different and not even available in big numbers because its just binning rejects

and I said opposite because adding a cache tile is the opposite of cutting stuff away, not expecting you mean the microcenter sku

also if we want to be pedantic the 5600x3d did get leaked weeks before

[cursive summit]

So was 5700X3D methinks

I don't quite recall that Radeon card getting leaked, the new one

[ashen spindle]

That’s also been a while since it’s known

People even had the dumb thoughts that would be N44 for some reason

[cursive summit]

Well tbf it's borderline impossible to keep a secret in the industry

So many people work there

So many different companies

Anyone can leak at any time

Apple has been trying hard though to filter out leakers, they I think are relatively less leaked

[ashen spindle]

Not like there was much to leak for m2/3

[cursive summit]

https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20240115PD231/apple-kioxia-nand-flash-storage.html

Better than TLC at least

Tbf not sure, TLC is faster and more reliable, that's kinda what you want in a premium phone

Apple's never been a "make phones cheaper" company

[ashen spindle]

It’s strictly worse than tlc lmao

[cursive summit]

Just cheaper

[gusty kiln]

only thing good for is larger size

[cursive summit]

More storage

[gusty kiln]

hope qlc becomes cheap enough for all nvme nas that doesn't make my wallet cry

[ashen spindle]

Not sure you want QLC for a bad when the biggest weaknes of QLC is endurance

[gusty kiln]

it's going to be mostly reading

I'm not going to do video editing and/or constantly writing to it

[ashen spindle]

Ehh maybe still sounds sketchy

[cursive summit]

You make QLC sound like it's some kind of major evil

[gusty kiln]

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-Internal-Compatible-Desktop-TM8FP4004T0C101/dp/B08Z7LN8NM?th=1

this TLC 4tb is 185 atm

was 151 at some point

[cursive summit]

The Intel 660p I've had for 3 years now sure isn't the best thing ever, but it's been enduring so far

Tbf my 860EVO with MLC has fared far better

[ashen spindle]

Yes but having it in a pc isn’t the same as using it in raid for a nas

[cursive summit]

Well if anything RAID would somewhat remedy the endurance issue

And you get more data

[ashen spindle]

Not sure how redundancy capacity would remedy that and give you more not less

[halcyon moss]

Failure protection I guess

[thick elk]

Considering space comes at a premium on phones, the higher densities of QLC make sense here.
For my personal smartphone user less cycles and lower performance would not be that problematic either.

[astral haven]

yes and no
Unfortunately qlc is not that significantly more dense, SOTA is 25% higher data density, and that is offset by the extra area required for the higher precision IO circuitry and larger spare areas

and qlc is still quite abysmal durability, it requires more work from the controller to keep it working properly
proof is in the pudding, samsung uses tlc on their stuff

[ashen spindle]

https://www.servethehome.com/vmware-end-of-availability-on-many-vmware-vsphere-editions-broadcom/

another day another squeeze on the acquisition to get more one the subscription model

[ebon hamlet]

Hi guys, first time builder here. Just got a module + alumaze and 45 switches. Do i need all 5 mount stabilisers? And do the included burger mods go on each side of the screws that i screw on the stabs? Then what are these white screws for? Thanks

[smoky frigate]

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/ublacklist/pncfbmialoiaghdehhbnbhkkgmjanfhe

I wanted an addon like this for many years. also exists for firefox

great way to de-shit google

(apparently it also works for Bing and ddg)

[gusty kiln]

galaxy unpack time

[halcyon moss]

I'll wait for the news articles

[gusty kiln]

hope the bundle deal is good

7 years OS upgrade

[rough osprey]

ye

[gusty kiln]

starting with S24

and samsung actually has the track record now

to make this an actual feature

[astral haven]

this dude is putting me to sleep despite that being such big news

[gusty kiln]

kekekek yeah

[rough osprey]

who cares about ai

[smoky frigate]

scammers

[gusty kiln]

shareholders

[ashen spindle]

ms teams background blur enjoyers

[rough osprey]

such a meme

[astral haven]

ok but gimme call screening

[gusty kiln]

yeet

that would be amazing

[umbral heron]

This piece of shit software more often blurs my face than background

[gusty kiln]

yoink it from google

live call translation is kinda cool

[astral haven]

ok thats pretty good

hopefully its not faked like google

[gusty kiln]

I wonder how big is samsung's android software team is now

[ebon hamlet]

And one more question, do i need the center stabiliser for the module? There does appear to be a hole on it.

[rough osprey]

cool ig

[reef patrol]

Only if you're using a PCB that uses it. The 60He does not.

[gusty kiln]

I unironically daily the samsung keyboard instead of g-board or swiftkey

[rough osprey]

no way

[astral haven]

shocking!

[rough osprey]

damn they using sms

[astral haven]

rcs

it says it right there

[gusty kiln]

so spanish is the only language supported atm?

[steep creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7lM36yFh2Y

lol didnt expect his review to come out this early

[rough osprey]

same thing lul

[astral haven]

wut

[rough osprey]

petapixel 💀

[astral haven]

petapixel is great

[steep creek]

not too familiar with this channel

ill check it out

[ebon hamlet]

Thanks mansen! But just to clarify, as I am on the module. There is definitively a hole for the center screw in of the module. That's why I'm confused.

[reef patrol]

Yes. A big ole hole. Not one for the screws included.

60HE module or otherwise only uses five screws. Two on either end and one for spacebar.

[astral haven]

wow im shocked by how good the video from the a93 is

[rough osprey]

das kinda cool

[ebon hamlet]

And am I supposed to screw the pcb with this screw aswell? Because if not, then I'm only counting 4 stabilisers (without the center one that is, which I won't be using). And thanks for helping, really.

[rough osprey]

so only on the new phones

sad

200mp lol

[astral haven]

yea, but im real disappointed by the slow aperture

[reef patrol]

Yes. Don't screw it in like you have it showing there*

Put PCB in, then screw the accent piece AND the PCB in at the same time from above.

[rough osprey]

maybe not the optimal rotation for that picture

[astral haven]

yea lol

[rough osprey]

can we please have a new tech trend

hearing AI is annoying

bro was excited

although they say this every year

[astral haven]

now that is interesting

[rough osprey]

Noooo

i dont wanna see hdr photos on ig

plsss

[astral haven]

why do you say that

[rough osprey]

hdr reels are already pretty annoying

[astral haven]

why?

is your phone messing up?

[rough osprey]

bc of the brightness

[astral haven]

so your phone is messing up

[steep creek]

i can see it on some occasions, like when im looking through videos on an app, hdr video comes up and it cranks brightness up to the max lol

with no care to how dark or bright it is where i am

[astral haven]

yikes

[rough osprey]

isnt that intented

[astral haven]

yea thats dumb, but thats the fault of the app, not the content

[astral haven]

nah

[rough osprey]

like its the same on android and ios

[astral haven]

its not

[steep creek]

pretty sure this is intended iphone behaviour because this happens on native apps like photos

[astral haven]

yikes

[rough osprey]

it is in my experience

[astral haven]

🤷 get a different app

[rough osprey]

lol

[astral haven]

stock most apps screw it up ofc, but revanced fixes it among others

[rough osprey]

im on ios now so i just gonna hope they dont f it up

or there is an option to turn it off

[astral haven]

unlikely lol

[steep creek]

not that i know of

[astral haven]

apple never allows proper functionality

[rough osprey]

nah i mean in the instagram settings

[astral haven]

tbh it shouldnt be on individual apps to fix

[ebon hamlet]

Thanks! It came that way tho, haven't started screwing anything in yet 😄

[rough osprey]

you can disable hdr video playback

[astral haven]

the device should set the brightness to what you select just like on pcs and tvs

[reef patrol]

I know. Just explaining what not to do 😄

[steep creek]

apparently low power mode disables hdr systemwide 😂

[rough osprey]

nice

[astral haven]

not a shocker

[steep creek]

havent tried it myself though

[astral haven]

25% more data is 25% more data

[rough osprey]

bruh

[gusty kiln]

[astral haven]

"pokemon" 🤣

[gusty kiln]

I wonder if I can get a S23 Ultra at a steep discount

[astral haven]

got it right the second time lol

[rough osprey]

they copying fast

need da jerry rig video

how is it iconic

[ebon hamlet]

And another thing I noticed is that the O ring that was by the accent piece is thicker than the ones provided in the box. Would that not create an uneven surface for the pcb? And I am supposed to put two O rings on each side yes?

[reef patrol]

Just one on each, from either sheet.

Don't mix, don't double up.

[ebon hamlet]

And what do I do with the big one? Just throw it in the box and use 2 on each side from the slim ones?

[reef patrol]

Big one?

[rough osprey]

man this event was boring

[reef patrol]

You pick one sheet of orings. Then ignore the other one.

You put one ring on each standoff. Five in total.

[ebon hamlet]

Im talking about the one that's on top of the accent piece (was screwed in). It's significantly bigger than the rest. Sorry for slow response, was making the photo.

[smoky frigate]

had some weird issue where I wouldn't get full FPS in games but at the same time had low CPU and GPU usage. I ditched the liquorix (zen) kernel and installed Xanmod. problem fixed. odd

[ebon hamlet]

Or was that there just to protect the accent from the screw

[smoky frigate]

any zen kernel users experience the same? I'm on a 12th-gen intel cpu

[reef patrol]

It's just there to protect the accent piece.

[smoky frigate]

need linux gigachad role to ping !!!

[ebon hamlet]

Alrighty, thank you mansen! ❤️

[astral haven]

ayy heres the smart ring

[rough osprey]

leaks are real

[astral haven]

hopefully itll support uwb tracking for when you inevitably drop it

wait what
nothing at all?

[rough osprey]

gonna buy all smart rings to be the most healthy human

[astral haven]

did my player skip or something?

actually zero about the ring whatsoever

[rough osprey]

nah its over

[astral haven]

and the leaks about the sensor sizes were spot on
1/2.52 inch f3.4 5x vs the 1/2.5 f2.8 on the pixel and 1/3.5 inch f2.8 on the iphone

[astral haven]

excuse me what
Why on earth did these not have shutter angle???

[rough osprey]

could they atleast go to 1/48 before?

or is that r 5 only

[astral haven]

yea you can set shutter to anything down to the 10th of a second

but you cant set a shutter angle and have it apply to all framerates

[rough osprey]

add 1/48 to a7 4 pls

[astral haven]

wdym?

ive got an a7iv and its got 1/48

[rough osprey]

huh

mine limits it to 1/50 at 24fps

[astral haven]

to enable it you have to go into settings and enable shutter fine adjust

[rough osprey]

ye ik

are you sure

i can go to 50.1+

but not lower

[astral haven]

maybe it only works in some record modes?

i can check when i get home

that would be super dumb

[rough osprey]

i tried all modes

[astral haven]

remind me in 7 hours, thats when i get home

[wheat plume]

S24 Ultra has even width bezels all around <3

[astral haven]

neat

[cursive summit]

Makes me wonder what will Sony come up with for this year's Xperia

[gusty kiln]

another $2000 phone that almost no one will buy

[wheat plume]

the price and lack of software updates are why I didnt get one ;-;

I was very tempted by one of the cheaper ones

Lavendar color, headphone jack 💜

[gusty kiln]

my phone can get $200 from the trade in

not too bad

[wheat plume]

aha

the even bezels are why I wanted the Nothing Phone

and now a phone I could never afford has them too!

[gusty kiln]

lol what's your budget?

[wheat plume]

for a phone? Max of 300 Euro

[gusty kiln]

could prob get a used nothing phone 1

[wheat plume]

Yeah, but 2 is already out and wayyyyy better

but 3 times the price of the 1 ;-;

[gusty kiln]

I might be dropping 2+ grand this month

[wheat plume]

wat

wat phone is 2k?

[gusty kiln]

S23U/S24U and RTX 4070TIS/4080S

[wheat plume]

oohhh....

[gusty kiln]

I also want a nice mini sever

https://liliputing.com/aoostars-next-nas-packs-6-hdd-bays-6-nvme-slots-and-a-ryzen-7-5800u-processor/

[smoky frigate]

look into xiaomi's poco phone brand, they come with good quality headphone jacks and decent specs / build quality

[gusty kiln]

slam unraid on this baby

[smoky frigate]

got a poco F2 Pro from 2019/2020 and it's going strong still

[wheat plume]

and 1 software update

[smoky frigate]

no problem with LineageOS

[gusty kiln]

pixel 7a almost even bezels

[wheat plume]

oo

The charger I bought, the 65W Anker one....no problems when charging phone and Steam Deck at the same time
But if I try to charge the phone and my laptop at the same time, every rouhhly 30 seconds, it will stop charing the laptop for a second or two

sooo idk, I wish the store had the 100w one just to make sure it would be fine with those two at once but they only had the 65W one

[sharp badger]

Firefox seem to be affected by like 1s~ delay on YouTube videos 😤

It's probably the AdBlock though 😅

[ashen spindle]

use ublock if you use adblock/adblockplus

[gusty kiln]

yeah

but I have youtube prem, but I make sure that ublock is toggled off on youtube

don't notice any weird issues

[ashen spindle]

ublock never caused issues it was only adblock so far

[sharp badger]

Have to try that then 👨‍🏫

[gusty kiln]

I still wana run pihole at some point

but that doesn't affect youtube

[wheat plume]

watch now, youtube detects pihole and makes delays still

even on Chrome

[sharp badger]

I've got a Raspberry Pi(Don't remember which model) and it's not being used, was thinking of making a Magic Mirror but might just make a Pihole of it

[ashen spindle]

again, youtube did not cause it

[umbral heron]

That looks like 3B

[mild dome]

Check Ebay first, I found Ebay might net me double what Trade in could do

[gusty kiln]

it's less than trade in value

S20 FE 5G

[cursive summit]

https://www.techspot.com/news/101554-amd-stock-reaches-almost-unprecedented-value-thanks-ai.html

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/01/the-galaxy-s24-gets-seven-years-of-updates-1300-titanium-ultra-model/

Ew disgusting

Copying Apple

And 7 years of updates 🤢

Not too sure which is worse

[astral haven]

i still have trouble believing that someone unironically doesnt like longer updates

[smoky frigate]

another day, another silly vex take

[cursive summit]

Perfectly reasonable, as all things should be

I know my risk factors, and updating my device actually is worse than not updating it at all

[ashen spindle]

you know you could also just not update if you are being tinfoil about it

while others can update if they want

[cursive summit]

Updates are annoying to turn off

Xiaomi makes it relatively simple

Samsung does not

Would rather not have any at all

Which I guess will be my Sony Xperia one day

[final flame]

ig enjoy having a security flaw that can't be patched ig

[cursive summit]

Meh, so what

Not too bothered

[final flame]

bet you'll be bothered if it's ransomware

[cursive summit]

I fail to see a scenario how I'd get one

[ashen spindle]

and thats why optional updates you can just not do are worse than not being able to get updates, right

[unkempt lake]

hewwo

[umbral heron]

I mean, I dunno, Samsung telling me everyday to update at least once by popping up their updater is kinda annoying

[unkempt lake]

I mean 7 years of updates

That seems nice

[cursive summit]

innit?

I literally can't even swipe it off

It's just permanently on the damn noti bar

[umbral heron]

Oh yeah, that too

[unkempt lake]

Realistically most phones nowadays last like 5 years

[final flame]

maybe learn to get off your phone for once
maybe update when you fall asleep

[unkempt lake]

Unless you break em

[umbral heron]

Mine is nearing 4 years old

[unkempt lake]

@final flame just have it auto update

Isn't auto update a thing on samsung)

Well android as a whole

[final flame]

it auto updates when it's plugged in and connected to wifi

[unkempt lake]

So that means every night

When you sleep

It should

So guys... just go to sleep

[ashen spindle]

well you see the thing is vex has his tinfoil on and thinks updates are always malicous to downgrade a phones performance and doesnt want them

[unkempt lake]

Well vex can deal with the inconveniences then

It's called choices

[cursive summit]

They are

But that's another story

[final flame]

you have the choice of getting a whole different phone
maybe get a pixel and install graphene

[astral haven]

and im not sure what yall are talking about the updates not being able to be dismissed,
ive got the oneui6 update available right now and i can get rid of it

[unkempt lake]

Isn't the dev behind graphene some wierdo

@final flame

[crystal halo]

This literally looks like an iPhone ad lmao

[final flame]

why? idk

[cursive summit]

The weirdo is gone pretty sure

After Louis Rossmann went on a tirade

[unkempt lake]

I remember reading some shit about like threats and shit

It was a while back

[cursive summit]

Yeah yeah some guy claiming to be autistic was acting abusive as fuck

I remember them stepping down and leaving the dev team

[astral haven]

The only stuck notification on my Samsung is the do not disturb

[umbral heron]

That was a good one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4To-F6W1NT0

[cursive summit]

That wasn't that long ago, 7 months

[unkempt lake]

I never clear my notifications

I have some all the way to last thursday

[crystal halo]

Blink and you’ll miss it wait

[astral haven]

ew

[unkempt lake]

yes

an iphone

scary

[astral haven]

oh right yea its such a pain to clear those notifications

[crystal halo]

No I think he’s saying ew to never cleaning notifs

[astral haven]

on android its 1 button

[crystal halo]

It’s one button on iOS too

[astral haven]

nope

[crystal halo]

Little X

[astral haven]

the button doesnt work properly

[unkempt lake]

Its one button too

You can see it in my screenshot

Look

I'll click it

I'm just lazy

[astral haven]

im aware that theres a button but it doesnt work properly

[astral haven]

yep im aware

[unkempt lake]

done

There

[astral haven]

yea its never worked for me

[crystal halo]

Always work for me

[unkempt lake]

also

[gusty kiln]

you gunna get the S24U carm?

[unkempt lake]

cat background best background

[astral haven]

nay

[crystal halo]

This is true

[astral haven]

i await xperia

[unkempt lake]

What's new on the s24u

[crystal halo]

Unfortunately 3 of my family members are allergic to cats so I’ll never have one :<

[unkempt lake]

😦

Get a hypoallegenic cat

Like a rex cornich

Or a sphinx

Rex has hair but its like wool

[crystal halo]

My best friend has a cat he’s pretty great

[unkempt lake]

Its strange hair

Look em up

They dont give allergies

[crystal halo]

Interesting

[unkempt lake]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornish_Rex

Like the fur doesn't shed everywhere

Because of it

Technically if they touch it they can still get allergies but they won't from being in the same house as it

[crystal halo]

Those some big ears

[unkempt lake]

Another option is a sphinx

No hair at all

[crystal halo]

Yeah naw imma go Cornish Rex before sphinx

[unkempt lake]

Cornish rex are cute

[crystal halo]

They are

[unkempt lake]

And super friendly

[crystal halo]

Something to keep in mind for a future pet tbh

[unkempt lake]

But yeah lots of people dont know they exist

[smoky frigate]

what a psycho

[unkempt lake]

This is carlos

@crystal halo

[smoky frigate]

funny how the worst kinds of bullies always claim they're the target of harrassment campaigns

[wheat plume]

I want this...

this is so fun

[crystal halo]

Is he a Cornish Rex?

Got the ears lol

[unkempt lake]

Ye

Had 5 cats at my parents

He's one of em

Do you see how his hair looks

[crystal halo]

Yep

[unkempt lake]

Its super different from regular cats

And it feels wooly on touch

[crystal halo]

And heck yeah I identified a cat breed successfully

[unkempt lake]

I discovered recently

My phone can do that

[crystal halo]

My phone (15 pro) thinks he’s a Devon Rex

[unkempt lake]

Yes

[crystal halo]

Close but not exact

I can see why it thinks he’s Devon tho

[unkempt lake]

And my phone thinks my exotic shorthair persian is just... a persian

[crystal halo]

Well it’s not wrong

[unkempt lake]

True

BUT IT AINT A REGULAR PERSIAN

HER NAME IS CAMERON AND SHE IS A QUEEN

A PRINCESS

peak braincells

[crystal halo]

[crystal halo]

Well my phone thinks my friend’s cat, Charlemagne is a Turkish Angora and I wouldn’t know better

[unkempt lake]

I've had a lot of cats in my life

Pure breeds or random unknown rescue cats

[crystal halo]

My family is more of a dog fam (aforementioned cat allergien), on dog #4

[unkempt lake]

im just sad i couldn't take all my babies with me when i moved out

oh there's 1 dog left at my parents

Along with 5 cats

[crystal halo]

I moved out, then rent got insanely expensive, so back I went

So instead of paying greedy landlords thousands a month for a gosh darn apartment I’m putting it towards a house down payment

[unkempt lake]

Thats why i like not living somewhere where rent is expensive

Lol

[crystal halo]

Well unfortunately I work right next to a college town so rent is bonkers

[unkempt lake]

Go live in an area with a lowering population instead of a growing population

profit

[crystal halo]

Well, I really like my job, great benefits, don’t have beef with any of my coworkers, so don’t exactly want to leave lol

[unkempt lake]

work from home

[crystal halo]

I do part of the time

[unkempt lake]

permanent work from home is wonderful

it's what i do

and i wouldn't trade it for anythinng else

[crystal halo]

I still like face to face interactions with my coworkers tho

Can’t exactly replace a good ole fashioned wall of whiteboards in Teams

Approximations exist yes, but they’re clunky

[unkempt lake]

Most of my work is like individual

I talk to my colleagues maybe like a few times a day at most

guess it depends on what you do

[mild dome]

I was tempted to get a maine coon but I found a cat in the dumpster and took that

[wheat plume]

Don't know what to do with your steam deck box?

Found the best solution!

[woven laurel]

psspsps

[near oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/out-cat-bye-gif-21078930

[crisp granite]

she's so CUTE

[stuck surge]

cat tank

[cosmic thunder]

can i ride

[rough osprey]

hello

[astral haven]

Yep can confirm you right

[rough osprey]

😔

[astral haven]

48 is for the a7rV and later only

[rough osprey]

very weird

[astral haven]

Sony is mean

Not like we have any better options

Olympus l mount when

[gusty kiln]

I ordered the s24u

[astral haven]

Fun

Yea I just got the official android 14 on my s21u so I'm gonna be patient

[gusty kiln]

After trade in and using my old college email I saved 300 on it

S24u, case, buds fe for a clean grand

[astral haven]

Neat
Yea it's a real nice bit of kit

[gusty kiln]

Yeah I would expect the ultra to have a bit more life than my fan edition phone

[astral haven]

I'm probably gonna end up getting it but I really want my msd slot back 😦

[gusty kiln]

Yeah...

1tb sd cards are cheap nowadays

Would love to have my audiobooks and music fully local on my phone

[astral haven]

And 2tb exists now!

[gusty kiln]

Damn

I'm guessing like 300 for 2tb

[astral haven]

It's not purchase able anywhere that I can find

[rough osprey]

why did samsung stop making the wearable app for ios :(

now i kinda have to get airpods

[astral haven]

They probably changed the name

[rough osprey]

they galaxy buds app only supports the old ones

[gusty kiln]

You also have beats, newer tws iems are actually decent

[rough osprey]

ye ig everything that has an app

[astral haven]

Yea the samsungs are better tho, they made full use of buying harman

[rough osprey]

kinda hoping they add lossless to airpods with ios

[gusty kiln]

I got the buds FE for free from the purchase

Are those good

[rough osprey]

idk

[gusty kiln]

I didn't pay attention to those

[astral haven]

Buds fe?
I thought they were giving away buds 2 pro

[rough osprey]

fe are the newest ones

they probably dropping buds 3 pro this year

[gusty kiln]

Student deal only get my 100 to spend on assessories

[astral haven]

Ah

Makes sense

[gusty kiln]

The regular get 150. Which is enough for the buds pro2

[astral haven]

Yea idk I haven't checked reviews

My buds+ have been doing great still

[rough osprey]

i dont think they made a bad pair

[gusty kiln]

As long as it is harmon, should be good

[rough osprey]

beans kinda weird

[astral haven]

The buds+ have a bit of a metallic tinge but they are still fine

Especially for free

[rough osprey]

aslong as they fit good

fe got the wingtips so should be secure

[astral haven]

Yup

And you can always replace eartips

[rough osprey]

i only find the first pros bad fit wise

even with different tips and all

buds 2 pro are good tho

aslong as you clean the tips sometimes

[random hearth]

has anyone else done typing tests after getting a wooting and noticed its far higher then before

mines shot up a whole 40 wpm which i was not expecting

[unkempt lake]

i think its all placebo probably

[stuck surge]

it could not be

if someone went from trash keyboard

those cheap ass keycaps tend to be harder to type fast on because you can slip your fingers on them for example

[unkempt lake]

I bet ill still type slow af

[severe phoenix]

https://vxtwitter.com/pinkopog/status/1747811952137822570

[umbral heron]

[ashen spindle]

Yep fun day at work xD

[halcyon moss]

Oh boy fun

Tbh, glsd I'm not using jira atm

[umbral heron]

We use self-hosted for internal projects, but cloud for external ones
Guess on which I should be working right now

[ashen spindle]

Yeah same tbh don’t need to update tickets if I just need to finish one thing anyway and I’m the only one on this lol

[civic sentinel]

guys just got a wooting, how do i use F keys? i want to altf4 my games#

[halcyon moss]

Did you check the w60 quickstart?

[civic sentinel]

the qr in the boxc?

box

[umbral heron]

QR too https://wooting.io/wooting-60he-quickstart#shortcut

In short Fn + Alt + 4

[civic sentinel]

worked, thanks guys

[umbral heron]

Hiding F-row from keyboard, so people can't ragequit that easily

[reef patrol]

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/samsung-exynos-2400-rdna3-gpu-is-twice-as-fast-as-exynos-2200-rdna2-gpu-in-3dmark-test

But.. is it good

I kinda want Exynos to be actually a valid replacement for Qualcomm

Eh.. it's not very great

Better than gen 2 which is nice

[ashen spindle]

Yeah basically useless and not misleading with that image xD

[cursive summit]

8 gen 3 is all that matters

[fair gull]

boi am i glad i dont care about gaming stuff on phone

[halcyon moss]

Indeed. Gpu is not very high on my concern list for phones

[civic sentinel]

me again xd my FN key isnt workign rn

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258

[empty wren]

Dimensity is pretty good

[latent mural]

Any suggestions for upgrading my omen desktop 870-224

Ive been told just about everything in it needs upgrading. Should I just buy a new pc at this point?

[ashen spindle]

Yes

The parts are like 7+ years old

[latent mural]

Ok 😔

It was a good pc

Severed me well

Was a huge upgrade from my old laptop

From 60 fps in game to 200-300

[ashen spindle]

Yeah it seems like a decent pc for the time

[latent mural]

Yeah it’s alright

But can’t rly have anything open other than what I’m using

Opening a browser or even discord slows it down a lot

[random hearth]

well i went from another mech keyboard (anne pro 2) average like 100 wpm and i got a 140 earlier today

[pale sigil]

Wouldn't say Anne pro is trash but it ain't great in the modern world.

[cursive summit]

Mostly only on Chinese trash phones

[gusty kiln]

I upgraded from an Anne Pro 2 to the wooting

it's decent at the time

mod-tap was cool and new on it

[final flame]

I upgraded from my wooting one to the 60he
My wooting one was starting to break and since I couldn't buy new switches I couldn't fix it easily

[rough osprey]

https://fixvx.com/madebygoogle/status/1747686166550208660?s=46

lul

[wheat plume]

Does Amazon Prime limit playback resolution on Linux??

I have it set to best resolution and it looks like it's 480p

[chrome estuary]

Widevine?

[wheat plume]

Oh maybe.... :/

[chrome estuary]

I know it causes issues on some android devices

Only thing I could think of.

[wheat plume]

Yeh :/

[astral haven]

it also often does in web browsers too

[wheat plume]

Would spoofing the user agent bypass it?

[astral haven]

im pretty sure even if you get widevine cert in chrome or edge you still only get 720p

[wheat plume]

Wtf

[chrome estuary]

I've never had problems but I just use Firefox on a Windows device so I'm almost a prime choice for streaming from a computer

[astral haven]

if you want more you gotta use a dedicated app

[wheat plume]

Which doesn't exist on Linux

[astral haven]

problems no but do you get 1080p?

[chrome estuary]

Uh. No clue. My Internet is fucking awful and struggles with 1080p regularly

[astral haven]

sounds about right

[wheat plume]

O

;_;

[chrome estuary]

Yup

[astral haven]

i bought a chromecast 4k so that i could get consistent streaming at 1080p and 4k when available

[chrome estuary]

Like 8mbps on the best of days.

[astral haven]

yikes

[chrome estuary]

Closer to 6 regularly with regular dips and drops

[astral haven]

but yea web browsers is trouble
a casting stick that does 4k is often ebayable under $20 and it saves a bunch of hastle

[chrome estuary]

Worst part is only about 5-10ish minutes away. There's gigabit fibre

[astral haven]

5-10? walking slowly?

[chrome estuary]

Drive.

[astral haven]

a 10 minute drive away is a multi terabit fiber link
a block away from here is high quality gigabit residential

(for me)

and we are stuck with cable that does 12 up on a good day

download is fine tho at 200ish

[chrome estuary]

I'd kill for that

I also want to kill my uncle because he brags about the gigabit fiber they put in since he knows it pisses me off that we get barely functioning internet

[astral haven]

i mean going rate on the black market for hit jobs is probably less than the cost of 2? miles of fiber

at least professionally done

[chrome estuary]

Hah

[wheat plume]

how slow is this in Mb/s??

[halcyon moss]

10

[astral haven]

no
1.2 about

[wheat plume]

so this is ultra fucking slow?

[astral haven]

correct

[wheat plume]

.-.

[halcyon moss]

No she asked Mb/s
Not MB/s

[wheat plume]

whatever unit Steam uses by default

[halcyon moss]

And she should know her bits from bytes

As a software dev

[wheat plume]

I should but I dont...

[unkempt lake]

you can switch it to mbps in steam in your steam settings @wheat plume

Under downloads

[wheat plume]

Yeah but Im not on Steam rn, its just the speed unit im most familiar with

[astral haven]

common misconception
B alone meant byte and b alone means bit, but MBps and Mbps have the same meaning in common palance as do MB/s and Mb/s

[umbral heron]

€45, wow... 👀 That'd net you 2Gbps link around here

[astral haven]

not on a cellphone

[umbral heron]

It's cellphone?

[astral haven]

why else would it have minutes and unlimited texts?

[halcyon moss]

ಠ_ಠ

[chrome estuary]

It's about one point two megabytes per second

[umbral heron]

I dunno, we have combo packs, so you get both internet and cell plan

That's how they advertise

[chrome estuary]

Fucking phone

[wheat plume]

its phone plan

45 Euro Per month + 800 Euro to get the S24 Ultra on Prepay

[astral haven]

yikes

[umbral heron]

2 year? That'd make it... nearly €2k

[wheat plume]

yep..

[umbral heron]

Think how many UwUs you could get for that

[wheat plume]

xd

[astral haven]

here its 54/mo zero down 24 months

usd

[wheat plume]

oo hek

[astral haven]

thats not including a plan tho

[wheat plume]

I HATE THIS

the notch is not vertically centered in the status bar area

[halcyon moss]

Wat

[umbral heron]

Here's €160 down and €54 per month

[wheat plume]

they need to have padding under the notch the same width as above it

[astral haven]

nah

just use black status bar

[chrome estuary]

Or just use a fucking under screen camera

[wheat plume]

some apps have their own color

[halcyon moss]

You use a case anyeay

[wheat plume]

they arent hih enough quality yet for a flagship

no one would want that

[astral haven]

they dont need to, and then its up to the apps

[chrome estuary]

I have a fold four. It's a flagship

[wheat plume]

fold 4 had UDC???

[astral haven]

yep

[wheat plume]

o.o

[chrome estuary]

Inner screen did at least. Outer screen did not which sucks

[wheat plume]

ooohhh

[astral haven]

folding screen was ez to turn into a UDC capable camera

and outer screen has the main cameras available right???

[chrome estuary]

Yeah which gets me. You can fold out the phone and use the main cameras with the outer screen is a viewfinder

[wheat plume]

Just saw an ad for a Nissan Arayan... /

Japan interior

wat?

[chrome estuary]

Fuck is that?

[wheat plume]

a new EV

[steep creek]

ariya

[chrome estuary]

Neat

[wheat plume]

idk wtf they mean by Japanese interior xd

[chrome estuary]

Paper walls and no seats

[astral haven]

pretty sure its a color scheme option

[chrome estuary]

You get to sit on the floor like Japanese people sit and sleep on mallets

[wheat plume]

LOL

[chrome estuary]

Shit I meant pallets

[wheat plume]

probably

my what?

[halcyon moss]

The thing you type in to launch apps

[wheat plume]

Krunner doesnt seem to support internet speed units

it likes meters though

[thick elk]

It does file sizes just fine

[fair gull]

tmw 10m is not even an internet speed

i dont see how this is an issue of whatever software you used when you dont type in the right unit

oh... its lana with a new name

now im not surprised anymore

[covert topaz]

Who’s gonna be getting the new 4080?

[wheat plume]

I tried the actual unit already

before that screenshot

[sharp badger]

Will probably not get any 4000 series, the 3080 i've got is good enough, waiting for the 5000 series or something instead

[astral haven]

there are a ton of more expensive hobbies than a potentially $3k computer

many of them very normal

you dont have to be rich to spend $3k every few years tho

[reef patrol]

So the 3080 on launch?

[chrome estuary]

yes but most people who spend 3k on a computer don't want hobbies.

[reef patrol]

1000-1200€ at the peak iirc

[astral haven]

building a computer is a hobby
playing video games is a hobby

[chrome estuary]

that hits too close to home, stop that.

also i mean yes but i meant like... hobbies outside of videogames

[astral haven]

🤷 theres plenty of hobby stuff you can do with a computer

[sharp badger]

Oh they've got the Supers out 🤔
Asus 4070 Super Dual : €689,90
Asus 4080 Super TUF : €1149,90
Compared to
Asus 4070 Dual : €629,90
Asus 4080 TUF : €1319,90 🤑

[chrome estuary]

dear god

i have a new laptop with a laptop 4070 some rather nice i7, 16gb of ram, blah blah blah and it cost me exactly 1300$

[sharp badger]

Also on another side note wonder if the ''AirJet'' cooling would be good in handhelds? should get more battery space with them?

[chrome estuary]

is that the solid state fans or am i thinking of something else

[astral haven]

ye thats nice but its not really splurging on a computer
it also isnt a 4070, its a 4070 mobile which is as high as 3/4 the performance+ whatever is lost on a laptop cpu vs a nice desktop setup

[chrome estuary]

yeah that's why i specifically said 4070 laptop.

[astral haven]

yep

[chrome estuary]

also it was on a good deal of like 700$ off

[astral haven]

so if you wanted a desktop 4080 performance, youd probably end up spending around 3x as much on the laptop

and the laptop would have a worse monitor than you could fit in a $3k desktop setup

[chrome estuary]

yeah.

mind you i'm using mine as a desktop replacement. This is plenty fine for me.

[astral haven]

and yea i didnt mean 3k for a tower alone, 3k for total hobby price

[chrome estuary]

oh i meant tower alone

pff

[sharp badger]

https://www.pcworld.com/article/1476932/is-airjets-solid-state-cooling-the-future-of-pc-thermals.html This

[astral haven]

and yea while they are cool, they arent as good as real fans

they replace metal plates

if handhelds try to go as thin as is needed for an airjet, sure, but most handhelds are thick enough for a real fan

[sharp badger]

Yeah but bigger battery would be better & ofc good cooling

[astral haven]

airjet doesnt improve battery vs a normal fan

it improves battery vs an overheating cpu with no fan

and yes its better than fans that are as thin as it

but normal fans are drastically thicker

[sharp badger]

Ok, guess we need some new battery tech instead 🤔

[astral haven]

or more efficient cpus/gpus

but tbh current handhelds are basically good enough
id like alot more horsepower but they work for most games and they last quite a long time

[sharp badger]

Yeah but isin't e.g. Strix Point higher wattage?

[astral haven]

strix point is the same efficiency as phoenix afaik

[sharp badger]

The Ally could have better battery life but guess it's Windows that limits it too

[astral haven]

more wattage but also more performance

[sharp badger]

Oh ok

[astral haven]

wouldnt entirely blame windows
intel windows devices get better battery life despite being less efficient

[sharp badger]

Yeah actually now that you say that, the 155H Laptop have quite a good battery life , Zenbook 14

[astral haven]

yup
and if that cpu ran flat out the system would be dead in an hour thanks to how inefficient it is

but thanks to the aggressive power management, the cpu can spend 90+% of the time off

[sharp badger]

Yeah

[astral haven]

I actually dont think the switch would benefit from airjets

1 extra watt is alot of power...

[wheat plume]

UGGGHHHH there is AI toothbrush now -.-

Oral-B...OFC

[reef patrol]

Yes? Makes sense.

[sharp badger]

It's better than some https://www.oralb.co.uk/en-gb/product-collections/genius-x

[fair gull]

why would you add the /

usually if you write it its Mbps

[astral haven]

because they are such confusing terms that even a programmer such as yourself made an error

[fair gull]

i dont see where

conversions look right

[astral haven]

MBps is the same as Mbps

[fair gull]

no

[astral haven]

yep

[fair gull]

lowercase b = bit, uppercase B = byte

[astral haven]

again google is smart enough to autocorrect you in the back end

[fair gull]

never knew it different

[astral haven]

when its standing alone

MB != Mb

[fair gull]

yes cause one is byte and one is bit

[astral haven]

but MBps = Mbps

[fair gull]

no

never heard it as such

[astral haven]

🤷 you may not like it but thats how it is

MBPS = mbps= Mbps=mBps
They are all the same

[fair gull]

weird that no ISP or network equipment manufacturer i dealt with treated em the same

[astral haven]

mb/s = MB/s= Mb/s = mB/s

but yep its awful

[fair gull]

as mentioned never heard it as such nor will i acknowledge this no matter what RFC or standards document you can pull out

[fair gull]

they already cant be the same as the p is just a replacement for /

thus you are attaching 2 untis

meaning you cant just break the convention of either unit

[astral haven]

except they have different meanings

mph vs m/h

these are more obvious but its still worth understanding

[vagrant pagoda]

bps vs b/s is from the pre uppercase letter times

[fair gull]

i bet my balls mph was made completely unrelated to the shortening of miles today being mi

either way i googled it and the internet seems to aggree that both Mbps and MBps are different

[vagrant pagoda]

And it has just stuck around

[astral haven]

yup
back before people were even aware of mib

[vagrant pagoda]

As some one who owns computers that only have uppercase

It's 100% because there was upper and lower

modems is in bps, disk access is in b/s

[astral haven]

yep
but even tho they are different, you should still use the correct terms in polite conversation

because generally in english, they are the same

because for some godforsaken reason we used 2 words with the same first letter for bit vs byte

[fair gull]

oh how so?

[vagrant pagoda]

Sometimes dumb ass measurements are standard

[fair gull]

how are they the same in english

[vagrant pagoda]

Like I've never seen someone say a car has 1Mm on it

They have 1000 km

[astral haven]

they just are

[vagrant pagoda]

Which is a silly way to write it, but that's the norm.

[astral haven]

think Orange vs orange

[fair gull]

because mega meters come after kilo meters?

[astral haven]

yep yet noone uses that because it could potentially be confusing

[fair gull]

the same way mega bytes come after kilo bytes

[vagrant pagoda]

1000 km is 1 Mm, but no one uses mega meters

MBps might be correct

But no one will know what you mean right way

[fair gull]

so we are now talking about societal norms rather than actually the technical aspect

[astral haven]

Absolutely

[vagrant pagoda]

Same if you tell someone your car has 1Mm on it

But the technical reason why it's bps and b/s is computers didn't have lower case and uppercase

[astral haven]

The fun of Language
Language is a set of societal norms.

[fair gull]

ok so we will just hold onto the old norms cause why push for the actually correct usage

[vagrant pagoda]

So they needed a way to tell the difference

[fair gull]

i better get back to my comodore and write up some basic programs

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean id rather have a guaranteed way to tell the difference vs someone forgot to let go of shift

[astral haven]

The correct thing would just be to pick one and use it alone and get rid of the other one.

[fair gull]

and that would be just doing what the p is supposed to accomplish

stand for per

aka /

and then just use the correct units on the left and right

[astral haven]

And if for whatever reason somebody copy and paste your typing into an advertising document where the designer decides to capitalize everything, then you don't have to worry about being sued.

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah but just like Mm vs mm

It sucks that we have units and prefix with the same letters only differentiated by case

[fair gull]

they dont have to worry anyway especially if we talk ISPs cause they all claim its up to either way

[fair gull]

dont see the issue

they both look wildly different

[astral haven]

Again mph vs m/h
They are technically the same, however, because you are abbreviating, you have to make a clarification between the two most common uses of those terms.

[astral haven]

To you

On your discord client

[vagrant pagoda]

I'm sure youre perfect and never miss a shift.

[fair gull]

sorry i forgot we all cant edit anything on the modern web

[astral haven]

Which is which between these two
MBPS
MBPS