🔌│tech

[cursive summit]

For streamers though it's a business expense to buy the best hardware

[fair gull]

the 60he is 6x14 keys so ofc the leds are also 6x14

sad its for the 60he

[cold tendon]

the keyboard is 5 rows

[fair gull]

well yesnt

[cold tendon]

oh

I mean doesnt the lib allow you to detect what the wooting keyboards info is

[fair gull]

yes

[cold tendon]

bc then I could make it support all wooting keyboards

[fair gull]

but if you scale it always to 14 wide it wont work well on others

in terms of mapping 1 pixel to a led

[cold tendon]

I could make it change

also I dont have other wooting devices so idk how I would test it

but looking it doesnt seem to hard

[fair gull]

i swear someone made an rgb device emulator of sorts

to test rgb apps without having a wooting

[cold tendon]

if you could send it that would be nice if not would you know all of the keyboards rgb sizes

like ex "Wooting 60HE" | "Wooting 60HE (ARM)" => (14, 6)

bc I know that one bc I got that

[fair gull]

theres only the wooting one and two otherwise which have 17 and 21 respectively

[cold tendon]

yeah I took a look and got all of those supported and I started on some like ui stuff and it seems to be working so yeah my the end of this weekend there should be a full settings page and stuff 👍 thanks for the numbers

[cold tendon]

I got a lighting preview in which shows what colors are being displayed on the keyboard

also I got some basic settings like brightness slider and a slider to select what monitor (the default should be your main monitor but I did this just in case)

[steady tartan]

Whats micro$hits biggest income department? Cloud space?

Cloud computing?

[mild dome]

imagine being a car company worth almost as much as Facebook, and being totally unable to make a functioning fucking car

[reef patrol]

Sci fi and hopeful dreams of improving space tech.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacecraft_electric_propulsion

It sure is.

[analog sinew]

elon musk is an idiot

[reef patrol]

He sure is.

[analog sinew]

so no surprise there

[reef patrol]

To be fair in the next scene, an angry slavic man somehow cuts through race cars with a ... Whip that has some electricity arcing through it, and a suitcase that is a transformer suit.

[severe phoenix]

https://vxtwitter.com/myrrlyn/status/1734574653413216536

[dire bone]

[halcyon moss]

I don't think the one I work at has one

[reef patrol]

I seem to recall it being more common in China?

And managers in general.

[rough osprey]

just a fast fan

[woven laurel]

https://i.imgur.com/sl52vxP.png powering freedom

[wind echo]

ty ty

[old marlin]

anyone got a clue why my discord randomly stops sending what I say

and the only fix is reconnecting

[old marlin]

(or rather it just straight up ignores my mic)

[analog sinew]

shit servers

[old marlin]

nah it has been an issue for months already

and idk why

[sharp badger]

Wierd someone said that disabling Echo cancellation worked for them

[old marlin]

does it just randomly cancel it out every now and then

[sharp badger]

Yeah

Otherwise could try resetting Discord voice settings, update audio drivers or try a fresh install and deleting everything of the old Discord folder

[old marlin]

hmm i'll try it

thanks

[sharp badger]

Also I/O devices could be a problem too, i've got it at default though

[old marlin]

don't have that many connected atm

also nothing crazy high polling rate atm

[sharp badger]

Ok

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-beats-intel-in-mobile-gaming-despite-new-and-refreshed-cpus

I mean, I expect them to

Intel's arch is a bit ass

Zen 5 soon

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.tomshardware.com/networking/your-washing-machine-could-be-sending-37-gb-of-data-a-day

[vagrant pagoda]

Easier to make fast arch efficient, than efficient arch fast.

[ashen spindle]

ehhh

bit too oversimplifying stuff

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean it's true

X86 may reach arm efficiency levels before arm reaches x86 speed.

[severe phoenix]

https://preview.redd.it/l7wiwvsijfcc1.jpeg?width=1020&auto=webp&s=44118d75e25bbe0993b1dda7841468c61bd4666b

[reef patrol]

Never buying XPG ram again. Their software is so hilariously shit 😄

[pale sigil]

All software is

[reef patrol]

This is worse - Hold on.

So it's RGB RAM, because bling. It has the typical animated shit you're used to. As well as a Static option, one colour.

Here's the thing though. The stick has several LEDs, cause animations. But you can only pick one, single colour.

Solution? Install G.Skill's near identical software - which doesn't care that it's applying it to third party RAM.

Why? Because it lets me pick the LEDs one by one.

[old marlin]

wtf is that

[ashen spindle]

half life

[reef patrol]

[old marlin]

half life 2 actually

[reef patrol]

Objection : Quin never said WHICH Half-Life it was.

[cold tendon]

whats the point at that point

like the layout is same and the device is already portable

[old marlin]

being able to hold a lighter controller

[marsh glade]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-ok-allow-gif-23061264

[cold tendon]

the device its self is not that heavy but ok

i know this from having one myself but kk

[reef patrol]

Let's you dock it and not hold it for hours.

[halcyon moss]

Steam deck is heavy

[pale sigil]

Is it though

[cold tendon]

I guess but if im going to dock it I would just hook up a mouse and kb at that point

but everyone plays diffrent so ok

[old marlin]

noticeably heavier than a controller

(also you could just use it on a pc)

[halcyon moss]

Yes, I only play it supported with a pillow

[cold tendon]

yeah the layout is nice and its pretty unique

[halcyon moss]

Is this actually a thing?

Yeah they do

[pale sigil]

Man I wish the bezels were so big on the og deck

[wheat plume]

wat?

[astral haven]

thats because its already happened
x86 is more efficient than arm already

[ashen spindle]

not this again

[astral haven]

its a common misconception

[ashen spindle]

idk how often keller and co need to say it doesnt matter for people to see it doesnt matter xd

uncore on zen causing worse low power performance on zen or whatever isn't an x86 thing it's a design choice but oh well

[astral haven]

🤷 its just experience

the x86 designs end up being more efficient since the software engineers have more experience writing code for them

x86 also has lower overhead and has had more time to fill up the gaps in the instruction set

lower overhead in terms of number of instructions required to complete the full set of tasks that a cpu can do

[cursive summit]

Isn't something like Apple's M series "fast" just cause the dies are fuckin massive

The arch itself isn't "fast", they are fast cause Apple packs a crapload of transistors in there

More than the 128 core Epycs last I read

[ashen spindle]

no its because they had the possibilty to do a fresh start and got some low hanging fruits

thats why they had one big core and m2/3 have been smaller increases

[crisp granite]

considering it's a full SoC with RAM, CPU, GPU, etc, that doesn't really mean much haha
CPU cores also take up very little space on the SoC

[ashen spindle]

and yes transistor count isnt telling much

[astral haven]

ram isnt included on the transistor count at least

[ashen spindle]

well

[astral haven]

ram has tons of transistors, if it was included the counts would be massively higher

dram

[ashen spindle]

apple might do in marketing because they use MoP for no reason xD

but dont think they have so far

[astral haven]

we know its not because they have 192gb of ram which is 1.5t transistors

[ashen spindle]

but we all know marketing has at least tried internally xD

[astral haven]

without including the reading or writing circuitry, cells alone is 1.5t

its actually crazy how many transistors are in memory and storage chips

the current highest transistor count (that is publicly stated) IC is a $20 nand chip

the next highest is wse2 with half as many transistors for 2000x the price

[vagrant pagoda]

I'm talking raw mips per watt, not actual work done.

[astral haven]

mips per watt the m chips win on pure gpu amount and having an npu

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah I mean arm vs x86

The M1 is fast because of vertical integration

Having the same person designed the chips' the firmware, the os. and the software makes a huge difference

[astral haven]

both have extremely powerful accelerators

x86 has more

m# has only the ones apple needs

[vagrant pagoda]

Yep

The windows kernel runs on fucking everything

Same with the Linux kernel

The modern Mac OS Colonel only runs on a m chip

I like how my spell check knew that windows and Linux is kernel

But didn't do it for Mac OS

[astral haven]

yea because macos often has a strange name

i can imagine macos 19 colonel

[smoky frigate]

colonel sanders

[vagrant pagoda]

Because blurry fish butt and opossums on parade is not strange?

[astral haven]

what

[vagrant pagoda]

Those are both Linux kernel nicknames

[astral haven]

official?

afaik linux and windows are both known by version numbers

windows version numbers make more sense since they are date coded but incrementing makes sense too

[vagrant pagoda]

Yep

They don't all get names

Last one I remember for 6.x was ramen

[astral haven]

is that officially referenced tho?

like in the comments of the source?

i know they are referenced in windows and macos directly

but afaik in linux its just the number

[vagrant pagoda]

0op was the version that added M1 support

Which is why I remember

[vagrant pagoda]

https://code.googlesource.com/linux/torvalds/linux/+/7c60610d476766e128cc4284bb6349732cbd6606^!/

[astral haven]

ah neat

[vagrant pagoda]

https://code.googlesource.com/linux/torvalds/linux/+/refs/heads/master/Makefile

NAME = Hurr durr I'ma ninja sloth

[astral haven]

ok wow thats really particularly awful

[smoky frigate]

6.0 was the best one yeah

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean with how many versions there are they can't all be good

[smoky frigate]

many people don't know about these nicknames, they are just an afterthought

[vagrant pagoda]

I'm surprised fuck nVidia isn't one already

[astral haven]

i mean just using numbers is better than that

[vagrant pagoda]

For sure

[smoky frigate]

heh, for all its faults the graphics drivers and nvidia's linux support has gotten better in recent years

[vagrant pagoda]

But is that nvidia's work or third party

[astral haven]

nvidias linux support has always been great for end users

devs hate blobs but the blobs work

[smoky frigate]

nvidia. they're actively contributing to proton, for example

[vagrant pagoda]

AMD and Intel commit to the kernel for driver support

[vagrant pagoda]

Are they giving support for their non-free driver or for a free driver

[astral haven]

define free

its closed source but its not paid lol

i can see nvidia doing that tho

[vagrant pagoda]

Thanks to stallman free always means open source for Linux lol

[smoky frigate]

dxvk-nvapi, that would be a free component independent of driver

[thick elk]

Blobs have drawbacks, Nvidia also went a boneheaded with wayland using their own protocol instead of what the rest were already doing.
Still behind on wayland support.

Also mixed gpu igp + gpu is kind of problematic but niche. + some other issues around kernel updates on up-to-date distro's.

[vagrant pagoda]

He burned that into everyone's terminology

[astral haven]

no drawbacks for any users

anyone compiling their own kernel will have pain ofc

[thick elk]

These are things I noticed personally using Nvidia.

Wayland is used by users, still has problems, still does not support their control panel.

[astral haven]

because you werent using a distro

[vagrant pagoda]

I still just use amd on linux, it just works

[astral haven]

wayland is not used by users

its used by tinkerers and devs

[vagrant pagoda]

Um it's the default wm for distros now

[smoky frigate]

running gnome-wayland on my 3080 was sketchy as hell, but I can't really be sure whether that's gnome's or nvidia's fault

[astral haven]

what

[vagrant pagoda]

Mutter is default for gnome now

[thick elk]

Plasma 6 switches

[smoky frigate]

a lot of users are pushing for wayland and gnome claims they'll begin phasing out X11 support next release, but I think that's a bluff

[thick elk]

besides that there are real problems using X11 on modern setups. VRR will only really work on a single display for example.

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah Kwin has both

But mutter is only Wayland now

[astral haven]

again tho these arent things that a user will use

a tinkerer sure

a dev sure

a hacker sure

[vagrant pagoda]

Mutter is default to Wayland, and gnome is the most common user experience

[smoky frigate]

mutter still supports X11 and will for a while longer, but the days for that support are numbered

[thick elk]

So everyone except a niche among linux users that do not tinker and are not devs.

[vagrant pagoda]

X11 is only legacy supported though

[astral haven]

youd be surprised

[smoky frigate]

on arch it still defaulted to X for me (nvidia)

I couldn't even get GDM to show wayland, and not for a lack of trying

[vagrant pagoda]

What version is it

[smoky frigate]

it was the newest at the time, 45

we are still on 45 but on Ubuntu now, where wayland shows but runs pretty bad

[thick elk]

So let's assume these statistics are somewhat representative of non-corporate use:
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/users/statistics/
30% uses wayland 40% uses an arch-based distro.
Of course gaming related but for consumer gpu's that is a important metric.

[smoky frigate]

hence I think phasing out X11 support in the coming release is probably a bluff, doing that would be disastrous to nvidia users lawl

[astral haven]

13,710
ah yes 13k gamers are representative of 20m mostly non gamers

[vagrant pagoda]

Plus there has to be more than 13,000 now

Between the steam deck and all of the other ones

[astral haven]

" These statistics are gathered using their manually entered data on their profiles"

[vagrant pagoda]

Lol

[astral haven]

so no it is 13k that this data is pulling from

[thick elk]

Of course, but I don't know of any better statistics, feel free to prove me wrong with better data.

[smoky frigate]

for AMD cards gnome has defaulted to wayland for a good while now, it's safe to assume that a fair bit of users are running it

[thick elk]

Same goes for Intel (mostly igp's)

[astral haven]

yea amd cards are a small portion of the market tho

same for nvidia

here are stats

its funny that there are more webcrawlers than actual linux users tho

[thick elk]

51% unkown though

[astral haven]

yea webcrawlers

[smoky frigate]

PCLinuxOS? that's a fucking blast from the past alright

[astral haven]

there are linux users who spoof being windows users, and they wont show up here

who sells computers with centos???

i cant imagine its that many

[thick elk]

It doesn't even show arch, here, I can't imagine it being near 0, don't know how high arch and arch-based distro's are but probably more than linuxusers using gentoo directly.

[smoky frigate]

I'm not sure how usage statistics on websites relate to display manager choice

[thick elk]

I think only some of the distro's show their distro on the useragent

[astral haven]

5 billion monthly active internet users
3% are linux
we already know that the steam deck has more users than the rest of arch combined
and thats around 3m
total linux market is 150m
arch is less than 4% of the linux market

and sure this wont count most steam deck users bc the only site most will ever visit is steam, but 🤷 what can you do

its not like they count as "desktop users" of linux

[smoky frigate]

4% seems low, considering it's the top distro on steam surveys over ubuntu, and steam has wide adoption on the desktop

[astral haven]

"wide"

also remember
steam deck

[smoky frigate]

ah right

[astral haven]

remember steam has fewer users than computers sold every year

by alot

and people mostly keep their computers around for multiple years

i cant find statistics about shipped computers

but i would be shocked if the steam deck was the most shipped device that came preinstalled with linux

[thick elk]

Still feel the actual usage may be higher than 4% considering among the gamer / more enthusiast crowd arch is one of the most popular options.
On steam it's probably roughly on par with ubuntu I guess.

[astral haven]

yep and thats proof that feelings are a bad way to judge statistics

[thick elk]

Maybe, but good statistics are hard to come by.

[astral haven]

nah

just hard to interpret

[thick elk]

Web is flawed in that it only reports what it can see in terms of useragenets

[astral haven]

yep and it only counts people who use the computer online

[thick elk]

If I were to check, I would fall under unkown for example.

It also counts bots pretending to be people.

[astral haven]

yep

which is why you have to look at the specifics and run the numbers

26% means 39m

the stats on steam are a bit too granular for linux and macos, but 2% of 120m mau on steam being linux means that their stats account for 2.4m linux users out of 150m+

[thick elk]

The problem is that you can't extrapolate arch-based users that are not included in the survay.

Because they may not game

[astral haven]

exactly

which is why you have to use counts

steam accounts for 120m people

you can extrapolate the stats to those 120m

[thick elk]

Even on steam about half the non deck distro's are other / unkown.
A lower bound of arch-based distro's would be 19% of non deck users.
But the large number of unkown in both places only really give you a lower bound percentage of linux users.

[astral haven]

recheck the stats

its just other

not unknown

its pretty obviously mostly ubuntu being filed under other since they have it separated by version for ubuntu

they dont have it separated by version for steam deck, arch, or manjaro

[thick elk]

If there is a breakdown of other it would be useful, but otherwise you can treat it as unkown.
It's also not obvious at all it's ubuntu filled as no other ubuntu version than 22.4lts has above 3%, I don't know if other arch based distro's are filing under their own name for example.
It would be unrealistic to assume it does not include anything arch based.

anything meaningful.

[astral haven]

again tho if its not arch, but just arch based, thats not something that a user would use

and calling a desktop user of arch anything besides a tinkerer is also a bit of a stretch

we can rely on the 39m ubuntu users that we found online to know that there are a bunch of them that arent accounted here

its possible that steam has completely different stats from the general population for ubuntu usage, however it seems unlikely

we can however safely state that the steam survey of linux only accounts for around 3m of the 150m (or more accurately 75m) the web stats do, so its pretty safe to say that its not super significant

especially since those 3m are inflated by steam deck

[smoky frigate]

it has to be higher than 4%, lack of data doesn't mean the figure has to be that low

[astral haven]

what

[smoky frigate]

based purely on intuition I am sure that it's higher than 4%

[astral haven]

what is higher than 4%

[smoky frigate]

arch usage share among desktop linux. but I think we lost the thread on this discussion ages ago

[astral haven]

why

computers besides the deck dont come with arch

[smoky frigate]

the question was about who uses wayland, and I maintain that a lot of people use it due to GNOME enabling it by default on intel and AMD cards

I have no idea what point you are trying to make with distro usage stats

[astral haven]

ubuntu is the distro that is most used

ubuntu is both nowhere near up to date on the current version, and actively pushes users to older versions

on top of that, when ubuntu is preinstalled, it mostly comes with LTS version

[charred quest]

fudge

anybody

[smoky frigate]

Ubuntu 22.04 (current LTS) defaults to wayland

[charred quest]

heard about the akko hall effect keyboard?

[astral haven]

yep
so starting now, there will start to be a meaningful amount of users that will grow over time

[smoky frigate]

I think that growth will be somewhat hindered by nvidia drivers being kind of bad on wayland. and wayland still missing features that will break people's stuff

[astral haven]

and the fact that plenty of apps still run x

firefox switched less than a year ago lol

and its the darling of foss

[smoky frigate]

I'd like to use it eventually, but it'll need some more time in the oven for me

[cursive summit]

NOW THIS

Is the content we need https://www.techspot.com/review/2790-faster-gpu-vs-faster-cpu/

Cause I am genuinely curious what's more important

Results are hella weird though

How does X3D win out over a Ti card in RT, albeit FHD

[gaunt obsidian]

fullHD is more of a cpu load, that should be the reason

[cursive summit]

Not even too sure what to focus on as a 5600 user at 1440p

Like, is it worth just going "all out" on something like a 4070Ti

Or to get a 5800X3D and settle for a 4070/7800XT

[smoky frigate]

most of the time you'll profit from putting your money into GPU power

[cursive summit]

X3D shouldn't be underestimated

Considering 5600 is a bit.. meh at gaming performance

[ashen spindle]

save up for zen5

[cursive summit]

I can't be bothered to buy AM5

AMD better launch RDNA4 with Zen 5

[ashen spindle]

computex for rdna4

z5 should be before

[cursive summit]

Half a year is a lot of wait

[ashen spindle]

for rdna4, z5 i still hope for q1

[stuck surge]

buy amd consume the product

[cursive summit]

Like, eat?

[stuck surge]

it eats your wallet

[smoky frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JmVjdYE7qY

[mild dome]

I was hoping to upgrade from my 5900X to the 8800X3D whenever that comes along.

[ashen spindle]

no it might be 8800

we dont really know yet

[fast mirage]

Yea

[spiral bloom]

I'm trying to update my keyboard and getting this, how can I troubleshoot? I've completely disabled my firewall and i'm not china. lol

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258

well for mobile it will be, idk how they do desktop

[reef patrol]

👀

[ashen spindle]

yeah but zen5 could just be 8000 too

just not G series

zen5 apu desktops in 2025 as 9000g then

[mild dome]

AMD stated it increments the up a thousand for each year. So if they are consistent it should be 8000, but it's not unimaginable they'll abandon that system if they haven't already

[ashen spindle]

no they said thats the mobile naming

so for desktop it could be different

for mobile it will be accurate still

[vague needle]

AMD desktop is odd number increments for generations, even in-between if there's a refresh

[ashen spindle]

there is no set rule for it so we literally dont know

[vague needle]

usually refreshes are budget market segment slots in between generations like the G

its done that since inception

1, 3, 5, 7 are generations

[astral haven]

and they arent refreshes since they are the same generation just using the mobile parts

except for 2

[vague needle]

2, 4 are refresh/segment filler SKUs

[astral haven]

2 was a refresh

4 was not

[vague needle]

well you're hairsplitting over your opinion of what a refresh is but what i said stands

re-using mobile to fill between gens is a refresh IMO

[astral haven]

if 4 was a refresh, so was 5

[vague needle]

5 was a generation

[ashen spindle]

zen2 was 3 because zen+ is a thing, then they skipped to 5 to allign with mobile numbers

[vague needle]

"zen2 was 3" 😏

[astral haven]

same cpu cores unlike 1-2

5000g was a refresh yet it wasnt a different number

[vague needle]

great but i didnt say any of that affected anything

im just saying the next major generational step will be 9 as has always been the case

[ashen spindle]

thats just not how it always has been the case

[astral haven]

the point is more that any hard and fast statements that could be made already have counterexamples

[vague needle]

zen1 - 1000

zen 2 - 3000

zen 3 - 5000

zen 4 - 7000

[ashen spindle]

zen+ is a thing

[vague needle]

zen 5 - <insert your best guess here>

[ashen spindle]

if zen+ wasnt a thing zen 2 would have been 3000

then for zen 3 they explicity state why they skip 4000

[vague needle]

how do you do on pattern tests, would you say?

[ashen spindle]

it's fitting pattern but just not what happend

a pattrern can fit but not be the pattern that they followed

hence it isn't necessary correct going forward

[vague needle]

i just showed its a very clear and unchanging pattern

[astral haven]

2000 isnt the same as 1000
4000 is the same thing as 3000
5000 6000 and 7000 all are partially the same

remember 7000 is also zen 3 and zen 2

[ashen spindle]

the clear and unchanging pattern is not what they followed, it's what happens to align with their decisions

[vague needle]

youre confused again with mobile

[ashen spindle]

if covid and all would not have delayed zen4 it would likely have been the 6000 series

[vague needle]

source trust me bro

[ashen spindle]

yes

correlation does not imply causation

[astral haven]

and throwing out counterexamples because they dont fit the data isnt a good way to be predictive

[pale sigil]

My 3d printer keeps static shocking me....

Or am I static shocking it

[mild dome]

IRC doesn't heating and moving a lot of plastic produce a charge?
Maybe try grounding the printer?

[trail swift]

someone took control of my epic account

i have contacted epic support and they say its not much proof imm original owner

i need help

my keyboards coming in today imma be pissed if i dont have my account to play

[verbal marsh]

What do you guys think abt lamzu mice

[halcyon moss]

Have you used search?

[vagrant pagoda]

Interesting

https://youtu.be/4Wg-RQpcpUU?si=fld0cFM3-_at5lgQ

ASUS put a 12 pin, and 3 8 pins for the GPU power

[halcyon moss]

Yeah this is actually cool. Finally some real progress

[old marlin]

btw I asked for help with discord mics before

and I think the issue is my interface just randomly shutting off sometimes

[reef patrol]

Let's make motherboards even more complex and expensive, yay!

[frozen ingot]

gotta find ways to maintain that price now that inflation is on the downslope

[mild dome]

In theory putting power pins on the back wouldn't increase complexity, but that's not going to stop them from making that claim anyway

[reef patrol]

I was referring to moving PCI-E power to the motherboard.

[cursive summit]

Solid, so far at RRP

[analog sinew]

that is actually not that bad then

hmm

dont think i will buy one yet but maybe the market is finally cooling down a bit

[halcyon moss]

ppl got to work again

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/desktops/mini-pcs/ayaneo-lists-the-retro-mini-pc-am02-on-indiegogo-comes-with-ryzen-7-7840hs-and-4-inch-touchscreen

Retro.. mini.. PC

Pardon me not getting the word "retro" but I bet Mini PCs didn't exist back in the 90s and 80s

I understand Atari doing a "retro" take on their VCS with a sleek wood finish, cause their good stuff actually released back then and it's a spiritual successor to their consoles

But a retro mini PC just doesn't sound right

[cursive summit]

Some new headphones launched recently https://www.auneaudio-europe.com/product/aune-ar5000-open-ear-headphone/

Mid-fi, quite affordable, extremely nice drivers it seems

Looks incredible

Whatever MLD is, seems to be like an electrostat

How do you make electro-stat like drivers to be 28 ohms and incredibly low sensitivity is puzzling

Good sound signature as well, looks like a good pickup

[old marlin]

no

looks like a DD

[cursive summit]

It is a DD

50mm

[old marlin]

yea

so it is not an estat

[cursive summit]

It's just whatever the MLD part is, is supposed to sound like an estat

Or have characteristics of an estat as a dynamic driver

[old marlin]

that is not how estats work

[cursive summit]

Well in ASR forums seems some people found them to sound like estats

[old marlin]

interesting tho

[cursive summit]

Whatever that means, I have never seen or heard estats

[old marlin]

I got a pair

uhhh

ever tried a planar?

it's kinda like the step from a DD to a planar

since an estat membrane weighs fuck all

[cursive summit]

I did, I found them shit

[old marlin]

[cursive summit]

I tried Sundaras n Anandas

[old marlin]

ye

[cursive summit]

They sounded so damn shallow

[old marlin]

I prefer both my estats and my DDs

to anandas

estats just sound incredibly detailed

[cursive summit]

I like details

DDs seem to be the most "spacious" sounding

Cause the few planars I heard were so shallow and without depth that I couldn't bear listening to them after daily driving AKG headphones

DDs with estat characteristics and soundstage could be pretty cool especially for a mid-fi price range

[gusty nexus]

How much does it cost ? 👀

[cursive summit]

300$, 320 euro

Seems to be available in both EU n NA

Sundara pricing basically

[old marlin]

yea might be nice

I'll need to buy an XLR interface that plays nicely with win 11 first

thanks uli

[gusty nexus]

The price of my Sundara, interesting 👀

[cursive summit]

Do you like the Sundara?

I thought they absolutely lacked soundstage

[gusty nexus]

Yeah it's so much better than my previous headphone 😅

[cursive summit]

Meh, I guess it's just that you hadn't had many headphones

Kinda like me tbf, but I got good ones so I can filter out the bad ones

K702 packs a punch way above its price range

[gusty nexus]

Idk but for me it's good 🤷

[gusty nexus]

What is your amp/dac ?

[woven laurel]

pika

[cursive summit]

Shit stack

[gusty nexus]

Hiiiiii

[cursive summit]

If I ever decide to buy more than a shit stack, it'll be RME ADI-2 FS

[gusty nexus]

Okay

[cursive summit]

Not sure why I wouldn't go for the very best

RME's built in EQ could be fun to tweak

[gusty nexus]

If one day I've got a lot of money to use I would buy something "stupid/crazy" like a Tungsten or something really hard to drive but really good to listen just for fun 😅

[cursive summit]

Not too sure what a Tungsten is

Tbf things that are "hard to drive" aren't even expensive

[reef patrol]

Duh. It's a heavy rock.

[gusty nexus]

https://www.modhouseaudio.com/tungsten/tungsten

[cursive summit]

What's the Hifiman that frequently gets discounted called, HE-6V2?

[reef patrol]

Tung, heavy
Sten, ... rock

[cursive summit]

Had not heard of that

[gusty nexus]

From what I've heard it's a beast !

[cursive summit]

Not too sure what I'd buy for that price range

The only headphones I know at that price that have soundstage are the HD800S

Maybe I'll get the Empyrean Elites one day, idk

[woven laurel]

its not a rock

its a metal

[reef patrol]

It's a direct translation joke 😛

[woven laurel]

[gusty nexus]

👀

[woven laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/pheasant-pheasant-hunting-hunting-kill-birds-gif-12765034

[cursive summit]

Is this a threat?

Domestic violence?

Mansen you might have to file for a restraining order

[reef patrol]

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/youtube-is-loading-slower-for-users-with-ad-blockers-yet-again

God, again?

[reef patrol]

Haven't noticed anything here.

[cursive summit]

I didn't either

[reef patrol]

Only issue with uBlock Origin is that if I open chrome with a youtube tab open, I need to watch a different video for a bit to purge the ad.

[halcyon moss]

If it slower, even the length and just a countdown I'd even be okay with it

[cursive summit]

They are really trying in the worst ways to make youtube profitable

[old marlin]

or refresh

[reef patrol]

Nope.

The ad metadata stays for a while.

[old marlin]

a

[cursive summit]

Sadly of all companies Google prolly stands the most chances of actually having the power of forcing everyone to run a clean sandbox environment with no allowed addons to then serve you ads

[frozen ingot]

google playing passive aggressive when they can't outright block you

[marsh glade]

Alphabet is finding its footing in this new "capital is expensive again" world

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-gtx-295-dual-gpu-is-now-15-years-old

Why the need for an article though

I guess just cause it was the beginning of dual-GPUs?

I could barely tell you any GPUs older than Nvidia's 900 series

Even 900 I just know 970, 980 n the Ti, are there other 900 series cards?

[unkempt lake]

960

950

[cursive summit]

AMD had the sexy smexy RX 400 series

Which were beautiful

Weren't they just a refresh of HD... 8000 series?

[unkempt lake]

750 ti and 750 technically run on maxwell

[cursive summit]

There were a bunch of AMD cards under HD 7000 and 8000 series

Any older than that I have no clue lel

Well there is a bunch of Voodoo stuff in late 90s I guess that exists

[vagrant pagoda]

https://youtu.be/0e1nDf0GYZU?si=E4pUew4kbDzZhKrc

[cursive summit]

How many times does Steve mention LTT?

[vagrant pagoda]

295 was just updated 9800gx2

[cursive summit]

Huh so it wasn't even the first one?

Was it some kind of monumental achievement?

[vagrant pagoda]

It was fucking fast

[cursive summit]

That is kinda wild, GTX 1050 per TPU is only 29% faster

And I played games very comfortably in 2017 with a 1050

Oh nah my card was a 1050Ti, way faster than 295

[vagrant pagoda]

295 just barely more power than a single 280

And was significantly faster

[cursive summit]

Yeah from this old era I am not aware of any of these GPUs

There was the R9 295X2 iirc

Which was like 999$, extremely succ on power

[vagrant pagoda]

There was one 295x2

[cursive summit]

Not the GeForce card, the big AMD monster

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes

[cursive summit]

Which was pretty powerful and prolly still is pretty good at FHD

[vagrant pagoda]

Also 285 was 400, 295 was 500

[cursive summit]

Why'd you link a "GTX 295"

[vagrant pagoda]

We were talking about it

R295x2 is different 5bing entirely

The only 295x2 was the sapphire hybrid. They didn't sell well, and did worse than dual 2 r290s

The gtx 295 was actual viable

If you didn't care about fan noise

Also back then dual GPU was the only way to get quad sli

The 285 Classified was the only way to get quad single gpu

And it did that by having the 295 bios as a second bios.

[cursive summit]

https://wccftech.com/amd-next-gen-zen-5-granite-ridge-cpus-enter-mass-production-coming-to-am5-2024/

Ah, cool

Making a full article out of a single Kepler tweet

[vagrant pagoda]

Also zen 5 hasn't hit Eypc retail

Zero chance desktop is in mass production

[cursive summit]

What are your credentials

I'd trust Kepler more than you

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean zen 5 epyc is in the wild

Just not retail

[cursive summit]

How'd that have anything to do with Zen 5 desktop

[vagrant pagoda]

It's the same chiplets

They will hit full production Eypc before desktop

[cursive summit]

It's also a completely different product, which I'm pretty sure is from a whole different division

[vagrant pagoda]

Like every zen generation since they came out with chiplets

[vagrant pagoda]

It's the same exact die so it's not a different division

They will use all the yield to push Eypc first, like they have always done

[wheat plume]

Just got to try out a pixel 8 Pro in the shop
IT'S SO FUCKING SMOOTH AHHHH
makes my phone look super laggy .-.

[cursive summit]

I fail to see why there's not enough fab output for a desktop launch

[wheat plume]

The 120H definitely helps

[cursive summit]

Seems unrelated

[vagrant pagoda]

Epyc makes like 5x the profit per ccd

[vagrant pagoda]

It takes a while to spin up production and get yields high

Also demand is insane for next Gen server chips when they come out

Also zen 5 brings 128c fat zen, which will pull in a lot of high density demand

But amd seeds tons of Eypc via oe before the launch of desktop

And we haven't seen that yet

[cursive summit]

I kinda want to see an amalgamation of an AMD product

8 + 4 cores Zen 5 + Zen 5c, Vcache on the 8 cores

I wonder how that would do

Or even a 4 + 4 config for 8 c/12t, with Vcache (or without for mobile/cheap desktop)

I was really really hopeful for Strix Halo this year but those bastards are delaying it another year

Like the longer they take, the more competition it will have, a "gaming" CPU for 1440p medium/high is all I want

[old marlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e1nDf0GYZU

it continues

[cursive summit]

Just a few minutes late

Tbf I lost interest midway but I didn't hear any LTT jokes

So it seems like they are trying to be professional

There will 100% be people saying it's a jab at LTT or they are poking fun cause it's Billet Labs

[old marlin]

[vagrant pagoda]

Eh p+e still has weird issues

Don't think amd will do it

[cursive summit]

AMD already released P+E CPUs

They are just mobile for now I think?

There's definitely a market for desktop too though

And AMD's implementation is just far better than Intel's

[vagrant pagoda]

There are Zen 4C mobile but not 4 plus 4C

[ashen spindle]

There are

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah?

[ashen spindle]

Phx2

Aka z1 non extreme

[cursive summit]

Isn't the whole point of dense cores that they get paired with non-dense cores?

[vagrant pagoda]

No so you can get more cores in one socket

[ashen spindle]

The whole point of dense cores is server

[vagrant pagoda]

Four verse 4C is 64 and 96 Court

5 v 5c is 128 vs 192

[ashen spindle]

The fact it’s good on low power mobile is nice side effect

[vagrant pagoda]

Ah

I don't think I've ever looked at the non-extreme version other than how poor it performed

The 4C ultra low power is pretty interesting though

[ashen spindle]

5 and 5c will also be in strix variations idk if it was halo or others

[vagrant pagoda]

Is Asus coming out with another?

[ashen spindle]

I mean strix point as the cpu lineup lmao

No clue what asus does

[vagrant pagoda]

Lol

I was thinking there was going to be like an ally strix lol

[ashen spindle]

Also desktop is in production if only with low amounts to reuse bins from epyc

I wonder if earnings report for the quarter is when they talk about it since CES was only ai talk

Would put February for first mention then maybe announcements after and April launch? I just hope it’s as early as it could be and not hold back for sales xD

[vagrant pagoda]

Prob

Didn't the last timeline show zen5 as q1?

[ashen spindle]

Well it can be launched in Q1 question is which amounts since epyc gets first dies and how much they got to sell from zen4 inventory

So q2 more likely

[wheat plume]

MSI Claw is worrying me...

The SD Card slot is rght next to the top exhaust, JUST LIKE ON THE ALLY

Claw gonna melt SD Cards too?!

[ashen spindle]

its not going to sell much so honeslty wont matter

[wheat plume]

Why you think that?

[ashen spindle]

worse hardware, worse prices there isnt any real reason to get it

cant wait for people to enjoy the weird LP e cores

[wheat plume]

worse than what? the Ally? the Deck?

[ashen spindle]

ally

but costs the same

[wheat plume]

ahh

you think it wont have the same performance?

[ashen spindle]

we pretty much know it wont

[wheat plume]

oo

[ashen spindle]

the chips have been tested in laptops

[wheat plume]

and no touchpads to use for games and windows desktop

using joystick to control windows cursor sucks

[cursive summit]

Seems Nvidia literally just wanted an "inbetween" card

Looks like it'll fetch a good 10% of extra perf with SUPER cards

I am guessing same with 70Ti Super and 4080Super

Actually no probably more with 70Ti Super and less with 4080Super

70Ti Super gets a VRAM boost and 4080Super isn't THAT much better than 4080, it just has way better pricing

[gusty kiln]

the only thing that matters for the super cards are 16 GB on 4070 ti super and -$200 on the 4080 super

[cursive summit]

Yep yep

4070 Super seems to now match 7800XT in performance

[gusty kiln]

it was obvious we aren't getting an extra tier of perf

[cursive summit]

Is 4070Ti Super supposed to be a 7900XT competitor?

[gusty kiln]

at the current price yeah

[cursive summit]

Well yes per TPU it seems to be on par

[gusty kiln]

I can see the 7900XT go to 650-700

[cursive summit]

Although 7900XT is way cheaper than 800$ yeah

4080 Super I suppose is meant to solidify the 4080S as a better card than XTX whereas nowadays they seem to trade

But AMD just keeps discounting their cards to like 800$ for XTX

[gusty kiln]

shame the idle power will never be fixed, I would take a 7900xtx at 750-800

[cursive summit]

They tried fixing it multiple times lel

[gusty kiln]

been a whole year

[cursive summit]

I would prolly heavily consider an XTX for 800$

Here they are above 1000 euros which is too much

[gusty kiln]

price gap between the 7800xt and 7900xt should be an ez price correction

[cursive summit]

Tbf didn't AMD release the GRE for EU market

GRE is supposed to be that weird cut down XT for cheaper

Though I've seen one for sale like, once

[gusty kiln]

ideally 7900xt at 650, 7900xtx at 800

[cursive summit]

650$ XT would be a bit insane

[wheat plume]

Discord
Wtf is this?????

[pale sigil]

It's not new

[wheat plume]

Hmm....

[ashen spindle]

and it's exactly what it says

[pale sigil]

Ye

[wheat plume]

What are clips though???

[pale sigil]

I hate that its enabled by default

[wheat plume]

Yeh :/

[pale sigil]

Twitch clips but for when people stream their screens

Or you

[wheat plume]

O

[wheat plume]

3 models of MSI Claw.... hmmmmmmm

The performance at 30W compares to the Ally's performance at 25W
Dave2D

wifi 7 🤔

MSI AI Engine
🤔

[analog sinew]

🤮

[wheat plume]

MSI Claw has "Best In Class" Battery life

runs Windows
uses off the shelf APU

[ashen spindle]

What does off the shelf apu have to do with battery live

[wheat plume]

IDK how TF they will beat the OLED Deck for battery life, especially since the Claw cant drop to such low TDPs that the Deck can drop to

they are made for general purpose laptops. not gaming focusdd handelds

so they wont be as effecient

[ashen spindle]

That’s just not how it works

And remember before the oled the steam deck also only had a apu made for laptops

[wheat plume]

not really

[ashen spindle]

Yes really

[wheat plume]

it was custom made for low TDP

[ashen spindle]

and low power laptop chips are not?

[wheat plume]

they tend to run at higher TDP

[analog sinew]

it's best in class "msi handheld" i betcha

i get MHFU flashbacks everytime i read that name

[ashen spindle]

they can be made for both but it's not like we only have 140w laptops

[wheat plume]

MHFU?

[analog sinew]

monster hunter freedom unite, on the PSP

you needed to control the camera with dpad and yourself with the analog stick, but those were on the same side of the console

[ashen spindle]

and the 135H is 28W is not the lowest tdp either so it's really no difference from what original steam deck used

[analog sinew]

so you had to play like this

aka

"the claw"

[reef patrol]

[analog sinew]

i actually played differently, i used my thumb joint to control the analog stick

[wheat plume]

Deck can go down to 5W TDP

[ashen spindle]

ok, so can the ally

[wheat plume]

no.... that can only go down to 10W

[umbral heron]

Wasn't ally lowest TDP 7w?

[wheat plume]

was it? you had to do that manually though I think, the overlay didnt let you get that low

[ashen spindle]

idk I dont have the device but if others say then can do it I assume it can do it

[wheat plume]

custom Windows 11??

oh, maybe one of those third party ISO mods

[umbral heron]

Maybe you can set 7W TDP as lowest in Armoury Crate, but it still can go lower than that in some games

[wheat plume]

ah! nice

[ashen spindle]

so back to the original point "off the shelf APU" is true for all handhelds

[umbral heron]

Well yeah, Van Gogh was also reused after some VR goggles iirc

[ashen spindle]

originally for a low power surface then used with Ar glasses yes

[wheat plume]

SteamOS needs a game clip recorder....even just the last 30 seconds like the Switch does would be so nice

[ashen spindle]

thats why for the oled refresh they cut out the parts not needed for steam deck and were able to shrink the die

[wheat plume]

the decky plugin doesnt work sometimes ;-;

[wheat plume]

hmm, that explains the AI Cores that were unused on the launch Deck APU

[umbral heron]

[ashen spindle]

not primarily ai cores but yes those were for the magic leap

and thats also old new from early 2022 https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-mero-low-power-zen2-rdna2-apu-has-spotted-running-android-os-for-magic-leap-ar-headset

for what we know mero is basically the same as van gogh in the deck

so the only difference to other apus is that the laptops planned for this got cancelled, but it wasnt made for the deck

[wheat plume]

Hmm

[wheat plume]

Do Hall Effect joysticks really have reliability issues or was Valve lying about that being the reason they didnt use them for the Deck?

[crisp granite]

if done poorly, yes

[wheat plume]

ahhh..

[crisp granite]

but mechanically, they should last so much longer

[cinder tinsel]

What can i use to clean my monitor

[crisp granite]

anthrax infected water

[cinder tinsel]

Can i use wipes?

[thick elk]

I don't think Valve is lying, but reliability could also be a higher defect rate.

[wheat plume]

fair

[cinder tinsel]

what is that

[crisp granite]

[past storm]

anyone want to rate my setuyp

[crisp granite]

0/5 bottlecaps

[vague needle]

Water, paper towel, then dry with another paper towel, then micro fiber wipe down once dry

[severe phoenix]

https://vxtwitter.com/Phantom_TheGame/status/1746956160874496077

[umbral heron]

I DESPISE Microsoft... Why do they exist, HOW do they still exist, why MS Teams is such a steaming pile of crap?

[severe phoenix]

https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/15/24038711/microsoft-copilot-pro-office-ai-apps

[frozen ingot]

fuck I called that the other day

[reef patrol]

Imagine paying more for AI help in Office than the app itself.

[cursive summit]

I forgot to share this https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/tech/2024/01/129_366948.html

By 2047 is nuts, this stuff takes years to build

[cursive summit]

https://www.neowin.net/news/adblock-google-did-not-slow-down-and-lag-youtube-performance-with-ad-blocker-on/

Well that's good

[shadow minnow]

I am sorry since when is re captcha a biology exam
“Please select all animals that live in cold temperatures”

[reef patrol]

Imagine Google PR team shitting bricks over this.

Did we do this? No for real - Did we do this? Do I need to make an uncomfortable call to the lawyers? fuckfuckfucketyfuuuck

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-wtf-itysl-tim-robinson-darmine-gif-6990077822131978261

[wheat plume]

The one I got last wanted me to count dice dots to add them up to the number on the side

6 times in a row

[shadow minnow]

Oh wow that’s bad they’re getting horrible

[wheat plume]

Yep ...

[shadow minnow]

Tbh I think the ones that take 5 seconds to fade out and fade back in where you have to select images are the most frustrating

Because of the wait

[wheat plume]

YEP

[umbral heron]

Rockstar's captcha takes the cake though
"Well, you just have to pick the 3D room which matches the projection" 16 times
And even then it just throws a dice whether to let you in or not

https://techcrunch.com/2024/01/10/x-removes-support-for-nft-profile-pictures

[reef patrol]

[halcyon moss]

hah. an other final nail in the NFT coffin

While the value of some of the high-priced tokens such as the Bored Ape Yacht Club (BAYC) has plummeted from its peak, the NFT market has shown a sign of recovery in the last few months with trade volumes exceeding $1.6 billion according to NFT aggregator CryptoSlam.
then again... -_-

[old marlin]

CryptoSlam?

more like CryptoScam

[ashen spindle]

volume doesnt mean much still

moving back and forth to pretend something has more interest to reduce losses isnt doing much

[shadow minnow]

https://reinkstone.com/collections/reink-case-c1 oh that’s cool

[pale sigil]

What, a sticker on a case?

[pale sigil]

Probably so they can use their own

Oh it's a screen

Whyyyyyyy

[shadow minnow]

No it’s a colored e ink

And the switching can be done through nfc

So don’t need to plug it in or anything

Pretty cool concept imo

If it was a normal screen that would suck due to battery and needing a normal connection but tis e ink

[pale sigil]

Idk

Weird

[reef patrol]

eInk still needs the occasional refresh.

The pixels will wander.

[shadow minnow]

Yes but the fact it only needs NFC to refresh means it’s probably solidly efficient

Good alternative to people putting stickers on their phone case or prints

Imo

[reef patrol]

No argument there. Would be a cool way to do smartphone backs in general.

Just have it do a quick refresh of the panel once a minute or something.

[digital cliff]

remind me of my dead-in-the-water e-ink display project due to it being extremely outside my skill level

[cursive summit]

Aaand Tachiyomi is back

https://github.com/mihonapp/mihon

[umbral heron]

Another chaebol using mafia tactics, why I'm not surprised?

I didn't even noticed, since I'm running on fork, but holy heck...

[strong sundial]

this is why you have good opsec if you're gonna piss off a business with something

if you're gonna make a reader for stuff like this, make sure you aren't found out; i'd imagine this happened because "it's potentially piracy"

like what happened with youtube-dl

[umbral heron]

Still weird that none of Japanese companies gave a fuck, and yet Korean publisher was sending threats

[strong sundial]

lmao yeah

[pale sigil]

In BDO we called them Cashkao

[severe phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4PHhurAhwc

PRetty sweet honestly

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/mL1l4jmxLa8

[pale sigil]

I think my mate is about to file for bankruptcy

[fair gull]

a chill 2TWh

as everyone uses up

[smoky frigate]

damn the new amd cards are pretty power hungry

[fair gull]

thats the 5090TI my guy

[severe phoenix]

Nah, that's AMD idle power draw

[fair gull]

almost sure the VW main factory in germany doesnt eat that much power in a year

[umbral heron]

Wait... Isn't it 2000TWh?

[old marlin]

Should be

We are at ~ 4TWh at work

For one site per year

Dunno about the other site, energy monitoring isn't as accessible there

[vagrant pagoda]

Because Japan is still selling fuck tons of physical media

[old marlin]

Yea korean is digital only

And tachiyomi was prob better than tapas

I wouldn't know, tapas ain't a thing here

[vagrant pagoda]

Just like anime pirating in the before 2000s time

They had no interest in actually selling overseas, so nothing was lost. So they didn't care about pirating

Physical manga sales are still massive in Japan, plus all the merch

[old marlin]

And do you know why people atill pirate anime so much?

[vagrant pagoda]

So digital piracy is no big deal to them

[old marlin]

Because the main official source is at a level where pirates were in the 2000s

[vagrant pagoda]

Huh

For Western is amazing these days

[old marlin]

Crunchyroll

Is not even a challenge against pirate sources

[vagrant pagoda]

Cr/hidive and Amazon do amazing job

[old marlin]

The more usual streaming sevices do better

But imo even those get beaten by certain pirate sources

In quality and features

[vagrant pagoda]

Also CR and HiDive have terrible drm so they are the most common source for pirate content

I keep local for everything and I pay for CR because a simple cmd script downloads all the shows when they come out

[old marlin]

[vagrant pagoda]

Getting full quality simulcasts with subs is way over what 2000s had lol

You got a fan sub weeks late in some crap divx compression

[gusty kiln]

coalgirls

[fickle ore]

what did they release now emgf

[marsh glade]

Liquidity, always liquidity

Willing buyers at higher prices above old highs

[jade pecan]

quick question do i set my fans in pc and gpu to fasstest speed or do i leave it auto

and what are benefits and downsides

[fickle ore]

https://wccftech.com/elon-musk-demands-at-least-25-ownership-in-tesla-via-a-new-compensation-package-threatens-to-build-products-outside-of-tesla/

HAHAA

[pale sigil]

He is the majority shareholder no?

[umbral heron]

He has ~411M of shares, so around ~12.9% of them

[smoky frigate]

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/15/elon-musk-sells-new-tranche-of-tesla-shares-twitter

what did he do about a year ago again?

[frozen ingot]

my shares will be the last to leave the company-musk

[umbral heron]

Well, our beloved megalomaniac sold a lot of his shares to buy the most expensive bird ever

[smoky frigate]

what would 1999 hairless musk think about this shrewd business move

[frozen ingot]

its not that it uses a lot more electricity when its cold, its that the batteries simply go flat a lot faster in the cold

[reef patrol]

No... batteries are worse in the cold. This is not some magical Tesla only thing.

You'd think this idiot has never looked at their phone battery life in winter 😄

(This is also why hybrid cars are more versatile)

[astral haven]

that is a thing, but it also does use more electricity

[reef patrol]

#shortbrain?

[ashen spindle]

yeah you probably want to wait till stuff like CATLs latest dense batteries or simialr things come those dont lose as much in cold

[fickle ore]

I said this 1-2 years ago and was told it's a lie kek

it's been brutal here, we had -35 c. BEV's we're going like 100 km with full charge

xDD

[astral haven]

i mean for my car that would be an improvement lol

[fickle ore]

from 500km to 100km xD

[astral haven]

that i doubt

[fickle ore]

KEEP DOUBTING

come chill to -35 c!

[astral haven]

out of spec did some testing

[steep creek]

weve had -20c weather and no real issues with range tbh

[astral haven]

and while it messes up the guessometer, due to having to heat up the battery, once the battery is up to temperature the range estimate goes back up

[fickle ore]

Sure sure,.

[steep creek]

though it helps parking inside not having to let some energy going to battery heating

[astral haven]

yea and my car will preheat the cabin purely from ac power if you set your departure time in the morning

[steep creek]

yeah same

[fickle ore]

How do you get battery/insides heated when bevs dont produce much excess heat. Gotta keep blowing so much elec jsut to heat the car at -35 C

[astral haven]

doesnt heat the battery because it doesnt have that capability bc they didnt know that was needed 10 years ago

[astral haven]

as long as its not a nissan leaf, you just dont cool the battery

[steep creek]

word lol

[fickle ore]

u guys are hopeless optimists living in california or something

gl

[astral haven]

they do produce a substantial amount of heat, and as long as your cooling is activem you can turn it off

[steep creek]

mine would rapid gate too fast after charging outside

[astral haven]

nah we just own vehicles

[fickle ore]

Yeah definitely, just in calif.

[astral haven]

if my grandparents living in the alps can do fine, you can too

[steep creek]

compared to some ioniq i test drove which coldgated 😂

[fickle ore]

You are comparing alps to where I live?

LOL

[astral haven]

and theyve had their EV longer than probably both of us put together

[fickle ore]

Im so done

[steep creek]

im im norway fyi

[fickle ore]

A couple week backs they tested some elec cars driving like 500 km they had to charge 4-5 times iirc, back when it was -30 to -40 in Finland

Maybe I can find that

[astral haven]

theres alot of fud about evs, alot more than is normal for a new technology.
Talk to people who use it near where you live if you are that concerned, however be aware that theres alot of bad info out

[fickle ore]

Yeah like from ppl that live in calif

😛

[steep creek]

this guy is norwegian and test drives evs in winter range (and other seasons), maybe worth a watch if you are curious https://youtube.com/@bjornnyland?si=raiLPB5jc6klNopv

[fickle ore]

Im not curious, I see these tests like weekly in my country

We have lots of EVs

[steep creek]

epic

[astral haven]

it aint fud if its true
and its true that roadtripping when cold is awful
but charge at home and precondition at home and you will be fine in anything newer than 2014 and that isnt a leaf

[fickle ore]

Im not gonna take a 500 km trip to Lapland in Finland from where I live in -30 and lower that's for sure, before solid states

That kind of cold just kills you if something bad happens

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ same is true in a gas car

[fickle ore]

Idk, atleast in gas car the waste heat goes to heat the insides

[astral haven]

yes and no

yes that happens

but no not all of it

[steep creek]

heat scavenging is a thing for evs too 😎

[astral haven]

yup

[fickle ore]

For daily commuter it's fine even in -30c. If all else fails I can just walk home rofl. Thing is relatives live far away and winter cottage is ~300 km away in north so I'm not gonna risk it.

What if u get a day of -40c and charging wont work or all the stations are packed. GG

[astral haven]

if the electricity is out at the cabin, its probably also out at the local gas stations

[fickle ore]

There is no elec at winter cottage bruh

[smoky frigate]

you could take a gas generator just in case and get your own kind of hybrid lawl

[fickle ore]

just fire

[astral haven]

nah if you need that then bev is not the way to go

[fickle ore]

I keep my ICE until solids thats for sure no matter how much you persuade me 😄

[astral haven]

i mean obviously if you cant charge, you shouldnt get an ev, that is obvious

but its pretty rare these days that folks dont have electricity, definetly an edge case

at least in first or even second world countries that can afford an ev

[fickle ore]

Tbh havent heard of ppl installing proper charging outlets in their winter cabins, thats def not a thing here

Prob rich ppl things

[astral haven]

every house ive ever been to has had at least 1 external power outlet

my charging setup for a year was an extension cord and a 1.4k evsc, and that was at my primary residence, i cant imagine doing anything fancier than that at a second home

[fickle ore]

Winter cabin is like 2nd house.. except it's not a house its like this

[astral haven]

yes im aware that if you dont have electricity, you wont have outlets

[gusty kiln]

EU can now get the elex easier

[astral haven]

but again i didnt think that was a thing in the modern era

like this is pretty basic 20th century stuff,
If your place isnt 20th century capable, you wont be able to use 21st century tech, that part isnt that complicated

[smoky frigate]

if he owns a cabin without electricity, he knows that 😛

[astral haven]

you sure?

[astral haven]

i dont think so,,,

[fickle ore]

Most rented cabins have elec but they dont have chargers if we really must argue this. YES a lot of ppl ARE making the journey from south. That doesn't mean I would do it. Ppl just charge at stations. But new year's time was special here, we had -30 to -40 weahther for like a week. A lot of teslas and other EV's had to towed. You may not believe and that's fine. It's just common knowledge here they're quirkier than ICE's at winter.

[astral haven]

if you have electricity, you can charge your ev

forgetting to bring a charging cable for your ev is like forgetting gas for your ice
your car would need to be towed either way

[fickle ore]

Well no, bc without proper chargers they're just shorting fuses easier. And not covered by insurance iirc and bigger fire hazard.

[marsh glade]

Wellll more like you've stumbled upon a swimming pool of gas and don't have a hose, but sure 😛

[fickle ore]

Yeah u can do it but not advisable

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/E1ul-T2j_zY

oh LOL Unihertz copying Nothing

[astral haven]

common misconception

slow charging is still charging

i mean maybe in europe with your 2.4kw evscs, but here in the us with 1.4k there isnt a problem

[fickle ore]

230v vs 115v ig. Cant do much about insurance company not covering it

[astral haven]

yea but amps are amps

[smoky frigate]

Since 1999, Voigtländer-branded products have been manufactured and marketed by the Japanese optics and camera company Cosina, under license from Ringfoto GmbH & Co. ALFO Marketing KG; for these, see Cosina Voigtländer. fuckin sad

[astral haven]

?
the japanese are pretty dang good at making glass

[smoky frigate]

it's always sad to see brands with long history turning into literally nothing more than a name to be whored out

[astral haven]

thats not the case for voigtlander tho

kodak sure that argument could be made

but theres still only 1 voigtlander

[smoky frigate]

which you can license as long as you give them more money than the other guy. doesn't change it's a company with historical significance that's nothing more than a name now

plenty of companies like this. AEG, Telefunken for example

[astral haven]

not familiar with those

leica, hasselblad, zeiss tho all do licensing, but they do still do work and have expertise to bring

[smoky frigate]

but I'm not complaining about those 😛

[astral haven]

sure but who else besides canon and nikkor have lens and camera brand name recognition?

[smoky frigate]

I don't mean just camera brands. forget it. this is tiring

[astral haven]

i still want the titan 😦

meh ive run into issues where the usb controller crashes from having too many capture devices on it, the low bandwidth limit is a shame but at least its cheap

[reef patrol]

jfc...

[old marlin]

I mean the controller should not be the issue in this case?

[astral haven]

should

its always really disappointing when you throw in a slower hub based usb card and the problems go away :/

eg a 5 gig usb controller with a built in hub working when the 10g native usb doesnt

[old marlin]

or do you mean the root hub?

[rough osprey]

is there any way to have a automatic color space change depending on the original color space of the content displayed

[astral haven]

its really hard to nail down the exact cause
if its the host controller or the root hub
either way solved by changing the hardware config

[sharp badger]

How are door handles on those cars?

Do they have any heating element to them?

Would be quite a hassle here in Finland if one leaves the car outside 😅

Especially when it's snowing(Sleet) with +°C and during the night freezing the handles

Yeah those handles works wonders at warmers places but cars comes with bad handles that pull in too so that'll be a problem with snow and such

Like the KIA EV6

[digital cliff]

bruh cars didn't use to have heated handles for 50 years and everything was fine