🔌│tech

[cursive summit]

It's funny cause it seems in practice it makes no difference lel

[unkempt lake]

All 8 have it you're confusing with the 7900x3d

And it's only 6 who have it on the 7900x3d/7950x3d

It performs worse than the 7800x3d for that reason

[cursive summit]

Nobody talks about 7900X3D

Only 7950X3D matters

[unkempt lake]

You get what i mean tho

They both have the same "issue"

[cursive summit]

Ah yeah found a TPU article about it

7800X3D seems fine, only the higher end X3Ds are halved

Meh, still fine imo

After all, only single core performance matters

We are entering an era where dual and maybe, just maybe quad core matters

This post brought to you by Intel gang

[final flame]

Found this, thought yall would find it funny

[cursive summit]

Steelseries PR employee?

[final flame]

Potentially

[cursive summit]

Yeah I can't find that

Le gone

[unkempt lake]

Trchnically intel currently has the core advantage atm

[cursive summit]

Well no, cause E cores are trash

[unkempt lake]

It's kinda strange tho seeing intel have more cores

Even tho they're ecores

[cursive summit]

14900K has just 8 normal cores so Intel for all intents and purposes has only half the 7950X cores

[unkempt lake]

Its still odd seeing it

I know

I'm just pointing out how its odd

[cursive summit]

Makes sense why it's competing with 7800X3D which is an 8 core

I wonder if AMD will bring 5c cores to desktop

[unkempt lake]

I didn't believe amd when they were promising years of upgrades on am4 back in 2017 it seemed a little too idealistic and the 2700x wasn't wotth it for high refresh rate 1080p gaming which was what i wanted to do back then

I'm just hoping they'll be as good with am5 but i still don't trust them lol

Trusting companies is a dangerous game

[dusty elm]

Should have bought intel

[cursive summit]

Imagine being so lame you thumbs up yourself

[unkempt lake]

I had bought intel

@dusty elm

9700k instead of 2700x

Back then

[dusty elm]

Giga had

Chad

Price to performance better on Ryzen

[cursive summit]

Well 9th gen makes more sense over Ryzen 1+

[dusty elm]

Well performance just better on intel. So take my extra $30 😂

[cursive summit]

You misspelled price AND performance

[unkempt lake]

Yeah zen wasn't really worth it until amd made the 3000 seties

[dusty elm]

My bad been on a bender still haven’t slept

[unkempt lake]

It was a nice surprise

Also the 2000 zen series had the notorious ram issues

[dusty elm]

Cap

🧢

[pale sigil]

Anyone got any suggestions for a USB hub that has more than 5 USB ports and powered?

[unkempt lake]

But yeah i'm really happy with how amd pulled their needle out of the game with zen 3000 and 5000

[pale sigil]

And USB C preferably

[dusty elm]

Like a third party 1?

[pale sigil]

Or well usb C to the hub the USB A

[cursive summit]

Buy Dell

We love Dell

What now https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-7600-xt-16gb-launches-january-24-at-329-same-core-count-as-non-xt-model

[dusty elm]

I love Alienware because they use intel

[pale sigil]

I saw dell but they have barely any ports

[cursive summit]

Larger.. model support?

[dusty elm]

AMD GPU….

https://tenor.com/view/bbtyler-bbtangelasm-tangelasm-tyler-crispen-selling-a-brick-gif-13596622

When you buy AMD Gpu

This what u get

[cursive summit]

Ahh they doubled the memory

That's insane, 16gigs for 330$

[dusty elm]

50% off only 90% chance it won’t work!

[cursive summit]

DP2.1 whoever cares for that

Why tf are they benchmarking against RTX 2060 again

[dusty elm]

Because that’s all it can compete with I believe

[cursive summit]

I guess targeting the upgrade buyers

I still fail to comprehend why would you buy 7700XT

7800XT is pretty great, 7600XT looks pretty great

7700XT is just the odd one out, 12GB of VRAM

[dusty elm]

🧱

[ashen spindle]

Take your random fanboy comments elsewhere pls it’s getting boring to argue against these people

[pale sigil]

Bruh

£180

[dusty elm]

🫡

[cursive summit]

With shite emoji spam it's quite obvious it's a dumb troll

Block n move on

[ashen spindle]

If blocking wasn’t so shit on discord maybe

[cursive summit]

Meh my brain filters out at this point the "X blocked message"

Still fun to sometimes read what carmonben has to say once in a while

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7-5700x3d-cpu-launches-at-249-on-january-31-am4-platform-gets-a-2024-update

Cool, plenty of hardware news

Will be interesting to check out benchmarks on this one

[pale sigil]

Does that even make sense

[ashen spindle]

It’s just binning rejects and such, not worth considering since it’s barely cheaper then the 5800

[pale sigil]

Oh lol

[cursive summit]

Sadly you appear to be right

Base clocks alone will prolly make em just a lot worse

250$ will be like 280 euros and 5800X3D is like 300 euros rn

Though what's impressive is

GT branding is like, back now?

A blast from 2000s with that one, GT branding is ancient

[craggy elk]

What's the best mouse for relaxed claw with 20cm by 10cm hands

And what mousepad should I get for fortnite,the finals, apex, ow2, cs2, and valorant

[cursive summit]

Typical gamer comment

Mousepad virtually anything, it doesn't matter

Just get good

Check rtings for mouses, plenty of good ones

Best doesn't exist, you can only achieve so much that your skills allow for

[shrewd sluice]

[craggy elk]

Well do you have any recommendations then

[cursive summit]

I have little interest in the mouse market, get your typical top end bs, like a G Pro X

Just not that new one that's come out recently

Avoid G Pro X 2 imo

Razer viper v3 is good as well

If you care about software packages, cause logitech and razer suck major cocks, get a Lamzu

[wheat plume]

I hate the future

[reef patrol]

Oh quit complaining. You don't even own a Tesla.

[wheat plume]

I bet updates to Teslas dont brick the vehicle if they fail

Surely they have a revert method?

the only tech i want in a car is to charge and connect to my phone for music playback and phone calls

[ashen spindle]

It’s a car sold primary on self driving how do you do that not with tech

[wheat plume]

In this case, its a Ford truck that does not advertise self driving

so yeah, it doesnt need a lot of tech

[raw zephyr]

all i want from my car is for the thing to start and go forward lol

[cursive summit]

Unironically, does anyone even use that tech?

Cause rn if it's actually hands off self driving enabled, that should be banned cause it causes accidents and is far too unreliable

[ashen spindle]

Yes and yes and yes

Level 3 advertised like level 5 self driving and people often act like it is

[digital cliff]

I'm sad that at some point cars without all kinds of electronic systems are gonna die out and that means people like me can't repair their own vehicles anymore D:

[raw zephyr]

give EU couple of years, they are gonna push out some self-repair law

look at electronics right now, first good thing EU has done tbf

[digital cliff]

well here's hoping

[reef patrol]

Fleimi's living that summer car life

[zenith silo]

That's the point

[zenith silo]

For vehicles I doubt it

But for consumer technology sure

[reef patrol]

BUT - ISNT A CAR - BE ITS VERY DEFINITION - A CONSUMER PRODUCTTTTT

splittle

[digital cliff]

when I can't repair my car I can't afford having one unfortunately

[cursive summit]

You must hate John Deer or whatever that company is called

[zenith silo]

Government bribery go brrrrrrrr

[reef patrol]

I guess I now know why my hardware didn't come on Friday.

[ashen spindle]

Ooof

[reef patrol]

By sheer miracle it looks like it's unharmed inside. But god's damn.

[zenith silo]

Holy shit that's lucky

Looks like someone tried punching a hole through it

🤣

[wheat plume]

Linux Desktops are like JavaScript frameworks
Everyone wants to make "the desktop to rule them all" and instead just adds yet another one that does the same shit as all the previous ones

<Insert that one comic strip here>

[astral haven]

*level 2

[ashen spindle]

Still? Dear god

[astral haven]

Level 3 is super hard

[ashen spindle]

Didn’t bmw get that?

[astral haven]

You have to be able to provide at least 10ms of warning before the driver has to take over

[ashen spindle]

Ah no it’s planned for 24

[astral haven]

The premapped stuff can just about do it

But that's more because it will kick off with the slightest disturbance

Tesla refuses to disengage

[ashen spindle]

Tesla refuses is all you needed to say

[fair gull]

shit like that always makes me wanna film uninterrupted from opening the door and accepting to unboxing

[astral haven]

And now that they removed the ultrasonic sensors, the autopilot will resume after hitting an "obstacle" as soon as the "obstacle" exits the camera fov

[ashen spindle]

Thankfully you don’t need that for 14 day returns and they have to accept if you say it’s arrived like this in the eu

[fair gull]

oh?

i didnt know the last part

good to know

[ashen spindle]

Mansen would know more

[astral haven]

Doesn't help us us peeps tho :/

Also some absolutely fantastic news
https://youtu.be/GeCFe_iQ8Wc

[fair gull]

dont even know if it helps for goods imported into the EU id assume it doesnt

[astral haven]

Correctamundo

[astral haven]

First global shutter mirrorless photo cam has similar DR to rolling shutter cams

[ashen spindle]

Zzzz so much Partner wank in this CES amd Video

[reef patrol]

I'd have to pay return shipping though (unless company has free return labels), and wouldn't get my initial shipping refunded.

Going to send UPS and Alternate a strongly worded email regardless.

[ashen spindle]

I think I’ll do a push-up for every time they say AI during these keynotes and I’ll be buff for life

[reef patrol]

[reef patrol]

#OnePromptMan

[ashen spindle]

Fucking teases god damn

Mention strix point for xdna2 but nothing more

[cursive summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxiPAow4fDQ

[ashen spindle]

I just want zen5 man

Intel y not more competitive pressure

[cursive summit]

Anything we didn't know about today?

7600XT launch, some new X3Ds, that's it?

[ashen spindle]

Yeah confirmation that amd really thinks it’s going to hurt their sales more than intel’s to already show z5 even if it’s close xD

[cursive summit]

I mean, it's literally a presentation called "Advancing AI PCs"

Did we expect anything more?

[ashen spindle]

It’s ces

They showed zen4 at Ces and that launched what, October?

Vs first half this year and still nothing

[shrewd sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/scratch-wound-injury-knight-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-gif-11190303

[reef patrol]

thankfully it looks intact. But I'll have to test it for sure before putting into my PC.

[wheat plume]

Looking through Discord's safety stuff and I see this...

a person has to look at the image if its flagged by their detection that could possibly contain that cursed shit?

[reef patrol]

Well...yes?

[wheat plume]

oh gosh

[ashen spindle]

How would anyone know what it is otherwise

[rotund crypt]

am5, interesting choice

[reef patrol]

More of a necessity than a planned upgrade.

[rotund crypt]

how so

old pc broke?

[reef patrol]

In a sense. I'm getting random reboots a few times a day. Narrowed it down to CPU or Motherboard at this point.

So I'm swapping out my 5600X

[rough osprey]

less go

[rotund crypt]

lfg (that thing will cost my monthly salary)

[rough osprey]

https://www.lgcorp.com/media/release/27203 full thing

[neat spear]

does anyone know how i can fix that i can track my order becouse it says error but i fill in the right email and order number

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258

[cursive summit]

27" OLED 480Hz?

If that thing doesn't cost 2000$ it'll be a miracle

[astral haven]

should be under 2k since its not 4k

not far under mind you but still

[rotund crypt]

31" 4k 240hz is 1.2k

maybe like 1.5k?

still not sure on oled's questionable life time though

[cursive summit]

That one is the big debate

[ashen spindle]

Simple, you get one with 3+ year warranty then exchange it before that expires then another 3 years pass and we have screens that don’t burn in anymore

[cursive summit]

I am highly against OLED just cause of picture quality degradation and burn in

[rotund crypt]

if I were to buy a super expensive 1k+ monitor

[cursive summit]

But peeps seem to be inclined that QD-OLED does not suffer from burn in nearly enough to be a big negative drawback

[rotund crypt]

Id like to keep it for at least 6 years

[rotund crypt]

picture quality degradation?

[cursive summit]

Well over time pixels will fade out and not be as crisp anymore

[rotund crypt]

thats weird, you know why that happens?

[cursive summit]

Cause it's an OLED?

Colours have a limited lifetime

You balance it out by decreasing the lifetime of each colour evenly

Also called "pixel refreshing"

[bold iris]

Superlight 2 or DAV3 pro

[cursive summit]

The overall brightness of the display doesn't change cause of white light

But I imagine the colour accuracy absolutely will

My LG CX I have gotten what, 4-5 years ago now? Still looks great, but I don't believe it's as impressive looking as before

[zenith silo]

Just get a regular superlight on sale

Superlight 2 isn't worth it lol

[rough osprey]

very noticable on phones

[bold iris]

I’ve literally got both mice in front of me on my table but sure

[cursive summit]

I remember way back when I got my LGCX, that TV looked absolutely incredible

[zenith silo]

Throw them both out 🤷

[cursive summit]

Nowadays? Still great for viewing, but not eyeblowing

What 5 years of usage does

No visible burn-in on my end though, I guess cause it wasn't used for gaming much

(or maybe cause LG tends to silently run pixel refresher apparently if you shut down the TV without you knowing about it)

Which I am dead set against, it's as much "pixel refreshing" as it is degrading the lifetime of the TV even more

[rough osprey]

when the hell did u buy it

[ashen spindle]

It’s not really degrading the lifetime if you pixelshift

[cursive summit]

I have pixel shift on

Have since the start

[cursive summit]

I have no damn clue, 2020 I guess?

So 5 years is way too much lel, more like 4

[rough osprey]

ye makes more sense

[cursive summit]

Great TV initially

[rough osprey]

also rip sony

[cursive summit]

Lately I had problems with it

[rough osprey]

they wanna go miniled now

[cursive summit]

LG software updates are trash

[rough osprey]

instead of oled

[cursive summit]

Sounds like I'm buying Sony if the LG dies

[rough osprey]

downgrade

[cursive summit]

I would far rather have the peace of mind of micro/mini-LED over OLED

At least then I can ACTUALLY GAME ON MY TV

[rough osprey]

micro ye

[cursive summit]

Cause whenever there's ANY static element on my TV, I am fuckin ADHD'ing my ass off

[rough osprey]

but going to mini ain't worth it for me

[cursive summit]

I don't think I have ever gamed myself on the CX

My waifu did, not me

I just can't allow myself to waste that TV

[rough osprey]

just chill 😵‍💫

[cursive summit]

OLED just pisses me off

[rough osprey]

how are you using a phone

[cursive summit]

Simple actually

My phone is LCD

I don't really like AMOLED

[rough osprey]

what

what kinda phone you using lol

like cheap one?

[cursive summit]

A really good one actually

Cheap but good

https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_poco_x3_nfc-10415.php

Snapdragon 732G, pretty good SoC

Although it's like 3 years old now this phone

I'm hoping to get a Sony Xperia perhaps with this year's generation, so that would be my first OLED

[rough osprey]

good luck ig

[cursive summit]

Not like I need a phone tbf

I watch youtube on my Tab S8U

My phone is kinda just a bit useless

[rough osprey]

im using discord way too much

and twitter

soo

when oled ipad tho

[cursive summit]

Yeah fair enough I use those on my phone

[rough osprey]

need these to be actually useful for watching stuff

[cursive summit]

Like a smartphone isn't really useless just yet for me

Can't really bring around a tablet

I get little use out of one though, especially at home

[gusty kiln]

looks like I'll get either a 4070ti super or 4080 super

[wheat plume]

scam SSDs LOL

WAENING!

[umbral heron]

damageb 👀

[rough osprey]

https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/8/24029669/twitch-is-experimenting-with-4k-and-multi-encode-livestreaming

[ashen spindle]

Yeah I hate it

Puts the extra encoding onto the streamers pc and upload

Thanks twitch for doing even less

[umbral heron]

So, ISPs in Korea were too expensive, but 4K streaming is a-ok?

[ashen spindle]

Well yeah if the streamer has to pay for encoding it

[astral haven]

twitch was paying in the 10s of millions to korea just for providing them data
it wasnt small charges

[umbral heron]

Hot tub streams in 4K, what a time to be alive...

[umbral heron]

For how big Korea's market was it was probably still profitable

[astral haven]

korea was in the single digit percentage of their viewerbase and was eating over 10% of their total worldwide revenue

[umbral heron]

Wasn't like Korea top 3 or something?

[astral haven]

5% of viewers

[umbral heron]

Ah, ok, they are both 5% and top 3

[astral haven]

its a mostly US site

[umbral heron]

Still, the most popular streaming site in EU

[astral haven]

what other streaming sites are there?

[umbral heron]

In EU? YouTube, maybe... There was also Facebook Gaming, but it looks like it went nowhere

[ashen spindle]

YouTube can upload av1 in such nice Bitrate

[umbral heron]

And Korea has Naver and Afreeca, so Twitch has an actual competition there

[astral haven]

not for streaming yet afaik

[rough osprey]

i love watching 4k youtube stream

[ashen spindle]

No you can it just doesn’t show it in av1 to the user xD

[cursive summit]

https://vxtwitter.com/tomwarren/status/1744248812841926810

[ashen spindle]

I Upload my raids to YouTube that way at 30k bitrate

[astral haven]

30k
wtf

how

wait B or b

well even 120k is still crazy

[ashen spindle]

Uhh idk, the one that you set to 6500 for twitch

[astral haven]

wtf
how crunchy is it

[ashen spindle]

I mean it’s still worse than local recording that I do at 50k

Uwqhd with vfx and text doesn’t like low Bitrate

[astral haven]

i stream webcams locally to a bunch of raspis while simultaneously streaming online

[ashen spindle]

Can try and grab screenshots in a bit to show the differences

[sharp badger]

Ordered some Wicked Cushions for the Maxwell to try out

[astral haven]

https://www.techpowerup.com/317499/twitch-obs-and-nvidia-to-release-multi-encode-livestreaming

wow

https://www.techpowerup.com/317495/apple-announces-vision-pro-launch-date-for-usa-february-2
oh my god
apple cant make a proper headstrap that holds up the headset because thats the exhaust of the headset 🤣

[umbral heron]

Oh, Apple now sends iris scans to NSA on top of everything else?

[astral haven]

"apple sends"
just because the nsa gets the data doesnt mean apple sends it

also something tells me that thats actually not the case this time, even tho theres no way to prove it bc apple

[rotund crypt]

what does this do in reality?

[astral haven]

reduces load on twitch servers 🤣

[rough osprey]

ti super?

bruh

[rotund crypt]

multi billion dollar company can save on server costs

lfg

[astral haven]

well yes?

its not like twitch is profitable

[umbral heron]

They're huge, so every small change saves them a lot of money

[astral haven]

*they expect

[rotund crypt]

if the encoding is done by the user instead

doesnt that mean more load on the gpu?

[astral haven]

of the user

[rotund crypt]

yea

[astral haven]

not twitch

[ashen spindle]

also needs more upload

[umbral heron]

This press release is weird
Why won't they just say it's 3.5k x 3k or so display instead of 23 million pixels
2 million pixels in monitor sounds nice too, but when I say it's FHD it suddenly sounds less impressive
Also Vision Pro implies existence of less featured and possibly cheaper Apple Vision non-Pro

[rough osprey]

win for twitch and nvidia

[rotund crypt]

classical marketing

bigger number = good

[pale sigil]

Are you ok Amazon?

[digital cliff]

the who in the what now

[umbral heron]

Good to see Amazon delivery guys finally have 2 hours of free time for frivolities, like sleep or spending time with family

[pale sigil]

I mean

I had a delivery at nearly 12am once

I was like why the fuck aren't you home

[digital cliff]

I too had a delivery once

period

it was a very special day

I still don't quite grasp how people have stuff delivered to their door at all

[reef patrol]

If I had a car I'd never bother.

[rough osprey]

package station best

[digital cliff]

well, even if you don't have a car, it's just kinda not a thing here

unless you always want to pay 20€ for someone to show up to your door at an inconvenient time and leave it at the post office anyway

[pale sigil]

Prime same day/next day

Pretty much everything here is same/next

Hell we even have 2 hour delivery

[umbral heron]

Allegro Smart next day to Paczkomat

[rough osprey]

what da

[digital cliff]

praying to whatever deity exists your package shows up the same week

[umbral heron]

We have 6h delivery in bigger cities

[reef patrol]

Here the difference is often like 1-2€ between home delivery or a "local" supermarket.

[digital cliff]

😭

[umbral heron]

Free delivery to parcel locker/paczkomat, 15zł to door, eh...

[reef patrol]

The last time Calder sent me something with a courier I don't have next door, I had to take a bus just to get there - Still took an hour and a half to go get it and get back.

[digital cliff]

yeah car-free is certainly an argument for home delivery

[pale sigil]

I considered locker delivery but it's a 30 min walk and I'm lazy

[digital cliff]

just the price is insane here so I'd never bother

[rotund crypt]

home delivery is like the most normal thing here

[pale sigil]

There's no price difference here

[rotund crypt]

you pay like 5€ shipping fees usually

[pale sigil]

Period

[rotund crypt]

with prime not even that

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/lsVKG4HcJoY

[rotund crypt]

this storage upgrade thing is a scam? no way 😮

[wheat plume]

ikr

[rotund crypt]

what do you mean changing a 1tb ssd to 2tb isnt a 300 dollar endeavor?

the msi one is around 1.2k us I think

lets see how this one will compare

[obsidian creek]

https://tenor.com/view/omen-valorant-cool-gif-21917169

Omen

[ashen spindle]

they even say it correctly though

framge gen CAN be 2x faster

its not always 2x

[rotund crypt]

i thought the 4080 super is just a 4080 thats 5% faster

[ashen spindle]

well yeah they also dont compare it to the 4080 xD

its more or less the same but its cheaper is the point

because the 4080 launched at an insane msrp

[rotund crypt]

yea 4080 is one of the worst priced gpus currently, arguably even worse than the 4090

for the 4090, you are paying a high premium to get the best thing on the market

for the 4080, you are doing so without getting the best thing on the market

yea that thing seems kinda ass lol

[ashen spindle]

yeah it's all just refreshes and nice gpu wars by adjusting pricing till we get rdna4 to make midrange better

[rotund crypt]

if the msrp prices of the super cards stay consistent after launch, amd will a lot of ground to gain

[ashen spindle]

eh

[umbral heron]

12GB on 7700XT, 16GB on 7600XT

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

[ashen spindle]

stuff sells, if inventory doesn't sell fast enough we see some small price drops but it's only for the next quarter anyway

[cursive summit]

Reminds me of an article I saw recently

https://cybernews.com/tech/computer-storage-prices-rise-2024/

https://www.guru3d.com/story/trendforce-predicts-nand-flash-memory-price-increase-by-2024/

Yeah it was exactly that graph lel

Why's it saying by 2024 if the post if 6 days ago

I guess they meant '25

[umbral heron]

What is Consumer DRAM in this case?

[rotund crypt]

https://i.imgur.com/osRQOog.png 6 month price history of a ssd ive been looking at

[cursive summit]

GDDR?

HBM is more enterprise

[ashen spindle]

literally shows in the table what it is

DDR3/4/5

[umbral heron]

Nah, GDDR is in Graphics DRAM, no?

[umbral heron]

But there's PC DRAM on top too, so it kinda doesn't make sense

[cursive summit]

Why are we even including DDR3?

What systems continue to use DDR3 in 2023/24?

[rotund crypt]

i can see ddr3 being used in non consumer devices

[cursive summit]

Isn't that more LPDDR

[ashen spindle]

embedded, legacy, servers

[rotund crypt]

yup

[cursive summit]

Wait by DDR3/DDR4 are they including the LP option?

[ashen spindle]

no thats mobile

[umbral heron]

Ah, ok, consumer DRAM is TVs, networking devices, set-top boxes and alike

Weird they named it like that

[ashen spindle]

volumes and such will be different so product itself has overlap but likely better to segment it for price analysis

oh god

[smoky frigate]

eliminates both stutter and motion blur? as compared to what? ULMB?

[ashen spindle]

if its working as great as video upscaling (not at all for me) I'll be not surprised

also seems like something that wont be great just makes contrast seem better so people think it works

but if it is what gets enough people to want hdr and then we get better hdr sources and all, im down

[pale sigil]

MSRP?

[ashen spindle]

no HDR

[smoky frigate]

oh now I see. Pulsar is black frame insertion for variable refresh rates. that's bretty dope, people have been wanting that for a long-ass time

[pale sigil]

So like

Was there an MSRP for the supers?

[smoky frigate]

||too much LOL||

[pale sigil]

I still wanna know lol

[ashen spindle]

yes has been out since yesterday

[pale sigil]

What is it

[ashen spindle]

idk look at videocardz or something where its listed

[smoky frigate]

a thousand buckaroos HAHA no

[reef patrol]

source: That one leaker site no one trusts, but a source is a source. Print it, Dave

[ashen spindle]

I mean its the only site I know that has the slides idk who else has the articles up

slides from pre recorded videos being out a day early isnt uncommon

and they do mark leaks/rumours vs pr statements so you can use it for that

[umbral heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyT4UOA99nk

[ashen spindle]

but all get mandatory 12 pin fire hazard

[edgy bramble]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fw9JTY can anyone let me know any changes they would make?

[ashen spindle]

seems good

could check if there is a 2x24gb kit since they are often similar in cost but would give you a bit more ram

[cursive summit]

Ain't this the dude who pinged me for no reason

I'd pick a better cooler than Deepcool AK400

They aren't that much expensive, difference though can be

[edgy bramble]

yea my bad i was going to ask you about my build that day but fell asleep my bad about that

[edgy bramble]

thanks i just added one

[edgy bramble]

you got any recommendations?

[cursive summit]

https://gamersnexus.net/megacharts/cpu-coolers

[ashen spindle]

You need to repost it if you changed the list

[cursive summit]

Peerless Assassin is the one to go for

[thick elk]

Maybe take the sapphire pulse 7800 xt, not looked to much about the 7800xt specifically but sapphire has a good rep.
Quite minor though

[cursive summit]

Gaming OC is fine

I can't say I like that case though

[thick elk]

Pulse is noticably cheaper though

[cursive summit]

Seems very random

Wtf is a BitFenix

[thick elk]

BitFenix has been around for a while

Mostly lower end

[cursive summit]

It's a tempered glass side case, get something with mesh

Better for thermals

[final flame]

they used to be quite popular

[smoky frigate]

unironically vrr+ulmb is pretty hype. maybe not as an nvidia-exclusive driver feature, given how noodly that is especially under linux. but I'm glad it's coming to the market. hopefully there will be other implementations of it

[final flame]

phantom spirit is slightly better, usually sold at a lower price
also looks better

[astral haven]

ive had it for years
whats hype is it being potentially good

[cursive summit]

Also, per cultists that PSU falls under measly B tier

Maybe look for something A tier instead, like EVGAs, Fractals, etc https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

I'll hit up cibenetics to see if they took a look at that one

[smoky frigate]

wut? how do you have it?

[astral haven]

https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?t=2883

works on any first gen gsync monitor

[cursive summit]

Although cybenetics seems to like the GF A3 750W PSU

Well whatever works for you qlampers

[smoky frigate]

HAHA that is a nice fuckin hack. dirty but nice

[astral haven]

yea and its actually awful to use, as all strobes are the same length

if your fps drops, so does your brightness lol

[cursive summit]

Todd???

What's Todd doing

[edgy bramble]

ok bet

[cursive summit]

But yeah get a better case

And prolly a better CPU fan

Rest seem alright

I remember the times to get a good air cooler you had to spent like 80$ on a DH15 🥲

Nowadays they be 40$, they grew up so fast

[smoky frigate]

related question btw, do you perchance know how to increase freesync range past 255? I doubt it's possible, innit. array limit, or some technical reason?

[astral haven]

ive never gotten freesync to work as well as gsync even at native so i havent bothered overclocking either

[smoky frigate]

oic. I've been playing around with it a bit, but now I just run 144 hz strobed with QFT on a 360hz panel

next monitor will probably be a gsync one. this is unverified, I can get it to do VRR, but it not working past 255 is poopy

[astral haven]

i wish my current monitor could strobe
im likely to go oled next, so no strobing for me

wish oled was able to be brighter enough to be useful when strobed but 🤷

[ashen spindle]

soon™

just a few more generations

[astral haven]

i await brads vision pro review

[smoky frigate]

OLED seems like a lot of the coolest panel features thrown together, but experience has taught me TO ALWAYS BELIEVE THE HYPE AND CONSUME wait and see

[astral haven]

i really wish i had a million bucks to spend on a Uoled array that was monitor sized

$100 per square inch actually would only be 40 grand

[vagrant pagoda]

You'd have to split up the image for whole bunch of display controllers

[astral haven]

well yes

[vagrant pagoda]

Sync would be a pain theb

[astral haven]

nah use actually purpose built hardware

[vagrant pagoda]

How many purpose bult pieces of hardware do that at over 60 frames a second lol

[rough osprey]

samsung 360hz qdoled can strobe

[astral haven]

shh
most of the budget would probably go to paying off matrox engineers

[vagrant pagoda]

Lol

[astral haven]

able to do the thing and able to be used while doing the thing are two different stories

[vagrant pagoda]

The only good thing is you just end up with a bunch of basically 32x32 pixel mini displays

Because you wouldn't want to drive the entire display with much more than 8k

[astral haven]

yea well they would be super bright then!

[rough osprey]

gotta wait a bit longer to know that

[vagrant pagoda]

He'd probably lose some of that brightness just to get the panel even

[astral haven]

yea well physics aint changing between now and then

[ashen spindle]

ah almost forgot heres text on my local recording setting with nvidia replay to 50Mbps and the text on youtubes max bitrate when I give it up to 30

first one is a lot clearer, text is the most obvious one

[astral haven]

thats shockingly good

[ashen spindle]

I cant actually see what bitrate the final youtube video is

[astral haven]

h264 or 5 at that bitrate would be a yellow blob

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah its nice, just still far away from what I use locally

also for some reason its darker

idk if that is normal with lacking bitrate like that or if something else is funky

oh I guess it might be because its not av1 for the viewr, derp forgot what I said myself

[smoky frigate]

the darker color is probably an optical effect due to bitcrunch

[astral haven]

still a mistake somewhere along the line

[ashen spindle]

I bet its from the encoding from av1 to vp9 or however its done

[astral haven]

yup
I wonder if youtube has av1 transcode hardware yet

i also wonder if a raspi 3 would handle a 1080p30 av1 stream with cpu decoding

[smoky frigate]

if you take a sample of the brightest spots in each example, they are still quite close. the average is definitely a lot darker, due to blocking and the filtering thereof

[astral haven]

https://fdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/news/24/01/oppo-find-x7-ultra-ofic/inline/-1200/gsmarena_002.jpg

https://www.gsmarena.com/oppo_find_x7_ultra_is_the_first_dualperiscope_flagship_brings_new_sony_1inch_sensor-news-61141.php
what a monster, i want it

[ashen spindle]

it does look a bit darker on the rest of the view as the text color is already darkish green

so there its not as much

its not making it unwatchtable but it's really easy to notice when I tab out to see if it works

[smoky frigate]

on a positive note, you may see it in close to original quality in about a decade, when encoding standards are higher

[ashen spindle]

I think once they just let people see av1 and not encode that when they get it it will work

which hopefully wont take a decade

yeah idk dont think it shows the actual bitrate of the video just what your connection is

[smoky frigate]

youtube has been reencoding everything since before the h.264 days, you could get a lot of visual quality out of it in the early FLV days

[smoky frigate]

download the video via jdownloader and do MediaInfo on it, you can perhaps see the exact encoding settings they used

[astral haven]

has anyone figured out what bitrate youtube 1080p premium is?

[ashen spindle]

im not going to download a 3 hour stream that I sent in at 30mbps to check that lmfao

[astral haven]

your downloader should tell you the stream size?

[umbral heron]

I will, gib link

[astral haven]

i just dont know how to download a 1080p premium vid

[smoky frigate]

then I will do it for you because you have awakened my curiosity, sir. please hand me the link

[crisp granite]

Oh wow

[ashen spindle]

uhhh I'll do it next time when I mute the audio track, there are some bad words being sad

[crisp granite]

Might have to get a 4080 super tbh

[smoky frigate]

I am not judging, I probably say worse things on a daily basis

[smoky frigate]

try jdownloader, with your account details put in

[ashen spindle]

actually I can just do a 30 second stream in a minute and check that, that's easier

[smoky frigate]

I don't know but I know that Netflix uses their own technique to determine visual quality, adjusting the bitrate to meet it. it's not CRF. they disclosed it in a tech blog post once

[astral haven]

its so incredibly stupid that you cant mute audio yourself, yet youtube can

[astral haven]

im good lel

[smoky frigate]

https://netflixtechblog.com/high-quality-video-encoding-at-scale-d159db052746

it's an old article but gives some insight how the big players are doing it

I'm sorry, that was the wrong post lol

https://netflixtechblog.com/toward-a-practical-perceptual-video-quality-metric-653f208b9652

I meant this one

[astral haven]

what really sucks is that the 1080p premium doesnt apply to videos uploaded above 1080p
wouldnt the higher resolution vids be the best candidates to provide a higher quality low res option?

[smoky frigate]

??? they really should

I downscale a lot of my too-big-for-the-movie 4K rips to great quality 1080p ones that look way better than the original HD releases

I know that it's due to the master more than other factors

[astral haven]

and i upscale my 4k recordings to 8k to upload to youtube lel

[smoky frigate]

I don't understand, why lol

[astral haven]

im recording at 600mbps
my last vid was recorded at 100mbps but sped up 60x so technically 6gbps
YT 4k is 20ish mbps

[smoky frigate]

oic. that's a workaround for now. it'll look bad in some years but still

[astral haven]

nah

well yes but itll look bad because of the 8k encode, not the upscaling

also its technically only doubling the pixel count as my cam records 4:2:2 not 4:2:0 at 100mbps

i plan to upscale, then speed up, as by default davinci is the other way around, but its alot of work

and would take an incredible amount of time to render

[smoky frigate]

I get it, I had to do something similar for a music video I found on a CD. it was like a 200mb mpeg2 file, bitcrushed to death. I pulled what detail I could out of it, with avisynth

[ashen spindle]

just some hours left for youtube to convert this 1 minute video surely

[smoky frigate]

had to upscale it to 1080p for youtube because uploading it at 480p would have reverted all my work lol

(this was all before AI)

[astral haven]

ikr
i just use topaz now

while it is a subscription, they (for now) let you keep using the last version you were subscribed to after you stop paying

[smoky frigate]

AI is cool but currently introduces its own distinct artifacts that your brain can't unsee when you find them lol

[astral haven]

youd be surprised

it does require a bit of tweaking, but some of the processing modes are nearly artifact free

[smoky frigate]

will you run my raw capture of the PAL VHS of the E.T. porn through it for me?

[astral haven]

the what

[smoky frigate]

joke, I would never do that to you

[ashen spindle]

[astral haven]

but yea its more for the higher quality inputs that you can get an output that looks better without visible artifacts

you are only getting a percent or two of extra IQ, which for a terrible quality video doesnt help much

[smoky frigate]

pretty much all of the stuff I would do that to is from magnetic tapes or 480i DVD content

[astral haven]

which topaz can clean up but therell be artifacting

[gusty kiln]

https://www.phoronix.com/review/z1-extreme-meteorlake

looks like the 7840U/Z1 Extreme is still the go to

[astral haven]

shocker

[ashen spindle]

not to mention its only synthetics, so gaming would be even worse

ye

the good thing is that intel at least has useable igpus now

and not igpus that are useless unless you want to play csgo

[gusty kiln]

when the iris graphics first came out, it was decent

[astral haven]

question tho is idle power
amd has really struggled in mobile

[smoky frigate]

for terrible quality analog content, old methods probably work best for now lol

[astral haven]

and yet they didnt bother releasing another igpu as fast for quite a few years lel

[gusty kiln]

can't wait to see benchmarks of 4070TI-S and 4080-S

[astral haven]

meh wont be faster than 4090

giv faster gpus

[gusty kiln]

obviously, buy my PSU can't handle a 4090 at stock

well it prob can, but too close

[astral haven]

?

4090 is relatively low actual power

it just has a really high tdp

[smoky frigate]

launch gpu into orbit and make it technically the fastest gpu in the universe

[gusty kiln]

750W, prob fine unless I turn on all the highest ray tracing

[astral haven]

the 4080 is already 350w where the 4090 is under 400

[ashen spindle]

I run mine with a 650W psu

[astral haven]

and any rt game that doesnt have dlss is a waste, and dlss also lowers power consumption

[smoky frigate]

DLSS is fucking goat I love it so much

anti aliasing and faster performance in one

[gusty kiln]

yeah, DLSS in the finals is actually usable for a fps

at least at quality

[astral haven]

depends on output res

at 4k you can do performance usually

[gusty kiln]

at 1440p

[ashen spindle]

hahahaha

[smoky frigate]

I learned a while ago that it was originally conceived and marketed as a downscaling AA, until some bright mind at nvidia came up with the idea of reversing the scaling I guess

[ashen spindle]

guess leo will bring a usb stick with a game and benchmark now to future events to use that if they benchmark something that wont crash

74W on a 28w laptop chip is very intel though

[astral haven]

yea

such a shame

amd cant get their idle in check, intel cant get their load in check

[gusty kiln]

yeah, pretty much all the low powered nas uses intel cuz single digit idle

except the new Synology for some reason

[astral haven]

thats a different story

the atom based chips are completely different

[ashen spindle]

^

atoms and big cores are different teams

[astral haven]

8 intel E cores use less power when active than a single P core

E= atom

[ashen spindle]

the small core teams at intel are doing great, it's the big cores that are shitting it up

as for amd idle I got no clue if we get any meaningful improvement before zen6 there

[gusty kiln]

a lot of them are N5105 atm

some N100 and N300 are coming though

N300 makes things spicy

[astral haven]

n##0 series are still atom too

theres the n100 dual screen laptop on ali that im kinda interested in but nah tbh

[gusty kiln]

basically a 7th gen i3

[astral haven]

but 8 cores and 20 watts or less

[gusty kiln]

N100 is 4 core I think

N300 is 8 core

[astral haven]

yea n300

n100 dunno the power of

[gusty kiln]

like 8 watts

[astral haven]

thats tdp

[astral haven]

they also have tdp nonsense
although unlike amd, tdp is an actual number burned into the cpu, but the board happily can ignore it as demonstrated here

[ashen spindle]

think on laptop amd is closer to that number at least

[astral haven]

define closer

[ashen spindle]

compared to how desktop parts stretch it

[astral haven]

if you run an intel at constant load, its dead on

[ashen spindle]

and certainly closer than that intel chip lmao

actually while GNR uses the same io die mobile aside from halo is a monolithic block

I guess they could change uncore or whatever it is to drop idle

but idk if we do see much change still

I am really annoyed at the AI crap so that amd only talked about xdna and shit today and only mention strix point in passing once xD

[astral haven]

what a shocker

i await feb 2 for reviews

[ashen spindle]

I was really hoping for at least a date where they say here we learn more about upcoming products

zen4 was show on ces and taht was so much longer before launch..

[astral haven]

nah you know whats shipping feb 2 right?

[smoky frigate]

finally, the PC 2

[ashen spindle]

feb2 uhhh no dont think I do

[astral haven]

"whats a computer" lol is a hint

[ashen spindle]

oh was it the vision pro

[astral haven]

yep

thats the ship date, probably coinciding with some reviews

[ashen spindle]

right someone from management posted that on teams today and I had to tell him no it's still US only xD

[astral haven]

thats quitter talk
but also i wanna see reviews, im probably not getting one unless apple pulled some magic

i highly doubt they did variable ppd :/

[ashen spindle]

https://www.crn.com/news/virtualization/2024/broadcom-takes-top-vmware-accounts-direct-effective-immediately man vmware customers are just getting shafted

[astral haven]

whats happening to customers?

[ashen spindle]

customer reps getting fired in the middle of them talking to people, essentially all long runing licenses are void and pixe icreased insanely

[astral haven]

where does it say that?

[ashen spindle]

oh this is just the latest part

[astral haven]

i havent seen any emails from them, i dont think itll impact us for a while

[ashen spindle]

if youre just mid size oyu might be lucky

[astral haven]

we are tiny

but we buy from a big reseller
and afaik only the resellers have to do anything

[ashen spindle]

yeah

https://www.crn.com/news/virtualization/broadcom-hands-vmware-partners-termination-notice

https://www.servethehome.com/broadcom-axes-vmware-perpetual-licenses-starting-the-journey-of-increasing-revenue/

[cursive summit]

Is that legal?

[ashen spindle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/vmware/comments/186rmu1/broadcom_why_are_you_laying_off_your_vmware/

this one is extra funny

[cursive summit]

Can you just.. cancel a perpetual license?

That people paid for?

[ashen spindle]

broadcom says fight me they have have trillion dolar in value

they could buy intel

[cursive summit]

Sounds like a class action

[fair gull]

they arent a trillion lol

[ashen spindle]

have half*

typo

[cursive summit]

Their revenue is pretty damn good, but they are "only" 72 billion in assets, so not a trillion lel

[fair gull]

broadcom has not even 500b

[cursive summit]

Saudi? ew

[ashen spindle]

idk google said 500

either way its a shit ton

[fair gull]

microsoft can buy broadcom

and then do good vm stuff

[cursive summit]

But they have hyperv

[fair gull]

and not their crappy windows hyperv server

[cursive summit]

But I actually prefer hyperv to vmware

[fair gull]

vmware esxi is so much better as bare metal

[ashen spindle]

vmware might just die now

[fair gull]

apparently

[ashen spindle]

like they were profitable and now they are getting milked for every last penny

[fair gull]

honestly wonder why they sold

[ashen spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-money-giveittome-mr-krabs-spongebob-gif-4184913

[smoky frigate]

you own nothing lol

[astral haven]

There's another thing to mention, esxi is part of their smallest segment by revenue

[smoky frigate]

mane I use this cheapo HP printer once a year to scan shit. I use it now in year 3 of ownership, scanner jams every third page. I guess I can't complain since I knew it was garbage. I need to get a decent laser printer

[ashen spindle]

brother is apparently a good one

[umbral heron]

Fuck HP

[smoky frigate]

Louis Rossman simps hard for brother, I might just get one

[ashen spindle]

I will use this piece of shit as long as I can out of spite

[umbral heron]

My Epson printer is still kicking after 12 years

[ashen spindle]

I pay 0$ for free ink if I stay below 15 pages a month

I will milk that till the end

grandfathered easy ink plan or w/e its called

instant ink?

[smoky frigate]

I think so, yeah. does your printer stop scanning once you cancel the instant ink plan? there is a huge kerfuffel in the US right now because of that

[ashen spindle]

I have no clue

[smoky frigate]

another common grievance is that third party ink ceases to work once you subscribe to instant ink

because HP lol

[ashen spindle]

I had it since the start bc it was cheap and I needed something

and I will not pay a single cent for this until it actually breaks

dont care how much the software will try to brick it

until I legit cant use it anymore I will be petty enough to force myself to fix it and use it

they will make a loss on me

[thick elk]

HP firmware upgrades brick all non-HP ink quite often in general.
But yea, avoid HP for now. Mostly stick to brother or cannon for printers.

[smoky frigate]

based

[ashen spindle]

didnt know the number 500 was spanish

[astral haven]

im pretty sure thats the intro plan, and it charges per page you print more than that

[ashen spindle]

yes but they dont offer the free tier at all anymore

and wanted to move everyone to the cheapest plan but everyone complained so they kept people on it

[astral haven]

ah lol

[astral haven]

some countries have good support

[ashen spindle]

I think I am quite capable of finding the textbox in google regardless of what language it is

[astral haven]

why did the vision pro release date announcement cause apple to rally 2%?

[ashen spindle]

probably just the fact that it ships sooner and revenue will go up sooner than expected

[astral haven]

smh gamblers

[ashen spindle]

or its something else that happened around the time idk

[astral haven]

https://www.wi-fi.org/news-events/newsroom/wi-fi-alliance-introduces-wi-fi-certified-7
ayyy

MLO hype

[ashen spindle]

that means deckard with wifi7 any moment now, surely

[astral haven]

oh right its not an m.2 pcie

well that really doesnt matter since its just a board rev

oh my god wifi alliance

"All indications are that Wi-Fi 7 certification for APs will require support for of all MLO (multi-link operation Wi-Fi 7) modes, which will not be the case for certification of end-user devices."
-_-

well at least its required for APs

[cursive summit]

What's Deckard?

Is it a type of candy?

[astral haven]

deckARD
steam deck but a vr headset

[astral haven]

looks like SD8G3 has wifi 7 with MLO (qualcomm calls it HBS)

[fickle ore]

it didnt, market and esp tech was up greatly today

the vision pro prob accounted by like 0.1 % if that

[astral haven]

ah IC

[fickle ore]

Intc was up 3.5% and amd like 6% and nvda 5.5% last I checked hehe

[astral haven]

heres the big movers

[fickle ore]

Ah a fellow Yahoo Finance connoiseur?

Best site!

[astral haven]

i didnt know yahoo ran the nasdaq website?

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks

[fickle ore]

Oh lol font looks the same kek

[crisp granite]

AMD is up another .2% in after hours
interesting

not even a slight dip after hours like usual

[ashen spindle]

ai partner wank doing work

think adobe wasnt that prominted on amd shows till today so that was new I guess

[fickle ore]

American Airlines one of the most trade by volume.. Bad Boeing Windows

Hope my next plane dont have boeing windows

[astral haven]

excuse me amd has a PE ratio of 1300????

[fickle ore]

Heh kinda

[ashen spindle]

that seems wrong

[fickle ore]

It's TTM (trailing twelve month) so it's high because earnings have been shite compared to last year or whatever

forward P/E should be smaller

Which is tea leaves though

[astral haven]

ok thats more expected

wait that also doesnt make sense

[fickle ore]

Why not

[astral haven]

isnt it revenue vs cap?

or is it net income?

[fickle ore]

share price / earnings per share (ttm or forward)

[astral haven]

ah

EPS is 18c

ttm is 8c

[fickle ore]

WAIT

im on wrong stock nm

[astral haven]

holy crap i didnt know that amd went negative net income

[fickle ore]

I was looking at Intel lmfao

AMD has 0.11 EPS per yahoo

[ashen spindle]

hahaha that intel nosedive though

[cursive summit]

What happened to Intel?

[astral haven]

they started researching again

[ashen spindle]

think it was last quarter or so where they only were net positive income because of some tax returns

[cursive summit]

Huh but what happened to Intel, what are we talkin aboot

Their stock price seems fine

[ashen spindle]

look at the date of the graph...

we're not talking today

[cursive summit]

What graph

[ashen spindle]

...

[cursive summit]

I've got no clue what you are talking about

[ashen spindle]

yeah I'm not entertaining whatever this bit is

[latent mural]

will nvidia ever stop going up

i’ve told myself: “it’s too late to buy nvidia” for like 2 years now

but it does not

stop

[astral haven]

they will stop going up whenever saying AI doesnt make your stock go up

[cursive summit]

You've got me confused as hell mate

[fickle ore]

Nvidia is funny one. Either Jensen is genious or luckiest mofo on earth.
He has catch all the relevant supertrends in the last 20-30 years.

1. He catch the PC gaming wave
2. Server/Crypto craze
3. AI wave

So im not betting against him but odds are against him for the next super trend in 10 years 😄

[ashen spindle]

pc gaming was planned, crypto lucky

ai mixed bag

but yeah it will drop when the ai bubble bursts

[astral haven]

unless he gets lucky again

[fickle ore]

Unless he poops and rides the 4th megatrend wave in 10 yrs

[latent mural]

i mean you need to be pretty smart to run a multibillion dollar corporation

[ashen spindle]

i mean...

[latent mural]

ain’t no brainless job

[cursive summit]

Why would the AI bubble burst though

It's a pretty real technology that we can expect will only improve

[astral haven]

no
but you need to be pretty smart to found a company and bring it to a billion bucks

[cursive summit]

If anything AI market will just become a big market segment imo

[ashen spindle]

because the dotcom bubble also burst but we still have the internet or do we not have it?

doesnt mean the tech is going away it means the market noticed the way its currently working isnt sustainable

[latent mural]

managing a corporation that has more economic output than a lot of countries isn’t easy i imagine

[astral haven]

easiest way to run a billion dollar company is to get hired as ceo of a trillion dollar company

[fickle ore]

thats my logic for becoming a millionare - start as a billionaire

[latent mural]

be a shitty billionaire and you’ll become a millionaire

ez

[latent mural]

why not

[fickle ore]

Idk if Nvidia can be replaced in the AI wars, hope so. They are the shovel vendor in the gold craze, kinda.

[latent mural]

pretty sure jensen was an engineer before nvidia as well

[ashen spindle]

he didnt say you dont have to be... he said you have to be

[cursive summit]

I am not sure they are comparable

AI needs top end hardware, in massive quantities, like every year or other year

[latent mural]

oh i misread

[cursive summit]

That hardware is in the tens of thousands of dollarydoos

[ashen spindle]

yeah and the money to pay for it comes from where?

[cursive summit]

Top corps

And startups

[ashen spindle]

and they get the money from where

venture capital

[cursive summit]

Consumers?

[ashen spindle]

and that dries up if you dont monetize it

and charging some bucks for your ai copilot isnt covering ai hardware costs

[fickle ore]

Thats why its prob just amazon, meta and google and msft doing it atm

meta and google benefit from ai ad targeting

[cursive summit]

You forgot OpenAI, Stability, etc

[fickle ore]

amazon from logistics help ig and cloud infra

[cursive summit]

Lots of startups that buy hardware

Also a crap ton of companies are buying AI hardware to literally run models

[fickle ore]

yeah but they are losing $$ me thinks

unlike the 4

[cursive summit]

I heavily doubt it's a bubble

[ashen spindle]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/19995/cloud-provider-gets-23-billion-debt-using-nvidias-h100-as-collateral yeah this is definitely normal and not bubble like

[pale sigil]

Ahhh Linux

[fickle ore]

idek, I feel like we're somewhere on the peak/craze part atm, for AI I mean

[cursive summit]

We are nowhere near the plateau of productivity lol

[fickle ore]

Yeah, we're at the inflated expectations 😄

[cursive summit]

Imo AI is a snowball

Should follow a log curve

[fickle ore]

We need to push through the disillusionment, and it will take like 10 yrs

[cursive summit]

Extremely rapid rise and then slow but constant improvement, potentially forever

AI isn't a bubble and will only become more relevant

Hell, nearly ever masters uni nowadays literally forces AI studies nowadays

[ashen spindle]

those arent two mutually exclusive things you do understand that?

[cursive summit]

Indeed

I don't think it's a bubble either

[fickle ore]

Hey, It's my style of humor lol

[umbral heron]

Bet AI is going to end like WWW
Several big players creating frameworks for websites like React/Angular etc. and some crazy tech people creating their own elaborate websites, the rest just making simple ones and using templates
It's going to be similar with AI models

[fickle ore]

Ya

[cursive summit]

It's not impossible

But I bet the sheer amount of calculations needed will be too much to host AI models as a service

Cause just calling APIs is too expensive, companies small and medium sized WILL run their own models

They will buy their own infrastructure, which is far more expensive than a web server

[latent mural]

i’ve only seen less and less people talking abt it

[cursive summit]

You are in the wrong circles then

We got a source on that?

[pale sigil]

idk how people use steam deck as a desktop

Its so horrible

[cursive summit]

And what is the reputability of this source

Seems like a tertiary source and not a first hand one

So, doubtful veridity

According to whom?

[pale sigil]

Anyone know of any micro PCs these days, like Nucs?

[cursive summit]

Sure

[umbral heron]

Dude provided news links to original and every update https://www.kptv.com/2024/01/06/plane-window-blows-out-mid-air-makes-emergency-landing-portland-airport/?outputType=amp, seems legit

[pale sigil]

I really want to be able to use the steam deck as a desktop.

But its just shit for it and dual boot is hassle

[ashen spindle]

the question is what do you want to do and why not just use your desktop

[pale sigil]

basic stuff

[cursive summit]

@pale sigil https://store.minisforum.de/

Idk if they do UK

[cursive summit]

But Minisforum has great NUCs

[ashen spindle]

basic stuff you can just to on your desktop

run WSL or something

[pale sigil]

ye but im kinda sick of running my big ass desktop

and power draw for basic shit

[cursive summit]

That is actually disgusting and I want to puke 🤢

[pale sigil]

fite me

[cursive summit]

I don't fight cripples

[pale sigil]

WOW

[cursive summit]

[ashen spindle]

then run it without the gpu or something when you just want to have it run pihole idk

[pale sigil]

I just kinda wanna seperate my gaming and desktop enviroment, but i also wanna mount a small device under my desk.

[ashen spindle]

cheaper than buyinh a nuc and have that as well as the powerconsumption on it

[pale sigil]

5600x

[ashen spindle]

yeah

[pale sigil]

No onboard

[ashen spindle]

yeah run it headless

[pale sigil]

I also kinda want AMD

So Linux aint garbo for it

[cursive summit]

Pleasant, I have went through that whole thing you are going, hopping from Mac minis to NUCs and stuf, in the end there is only one good option

Build SFF

ITX cases

[ashen spindle]

get a gt1030 from a garbage can then idk

[umbral heron]

If you only need something to browse the web/watch movies on, ThinkCentres from M Tiny series are pretty nice and quite powerful, but that'll most likely be Intel

[pale sigil]

i rekon the steam deck would be good but pulling so much from a single USB C port seems to have so many issues .

[ashen spindle]

also having a second pc for tiny things will not be cheaper than the additional io powerdraw from running your desktop for some years

[fickle ore]

if ure concerned for power draw dont use LEDs!

[pale sigil]

Thing is rightr.

All i ever do on my PC is game which in itself is rare.

I use my tab for 90% of everything i do.

[umbral heron]

Yeah, rpi is perfect for running pihole (duh) and some services like Home Assistant or something like that

[pale sigil]

Feels so wasteful when im booting up my system for YouTube etc

[pale sigil]

Tis what im doing rn

Pihole
HA
Octoprint

[ashen spindle]

seems you vastly overestimate what it actually does, it's not like booting your pc to watch videos is putting the gpu in 100% powerdraw

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-launches-14th-gen-core-desktop-non-k-14th-gen-core-hx-and-core-100u-mobile-series

hey does anyone have a slide about having multiple generations with the same name anywhere

[umbral heron]

Looks like you'd want to run similar setup as I do now
I have rpi running pihole, HA, calibre-web, some more docker services, it runs 24/7
For simple web stuff or watching Netflix I have Thinkpad X270, was crazy cheap, and ofc PC for gaming

[cursive summit]

Why is that disgusting

That does not look good

[final flame]

Ah the modern Intel stock cooler

[ashen spindle]

who cares how it looks like, its the cheap solution for budget options

the cheaper the better

[final flame]

It performs alright, but still gets beaten by the AMD stock coolers

[cursive summit]

AMD stock coolers that aren't even good?

[cursive summit]

Okay I unironically wanted to say "Why is Intel a joke" but this makes my day

Intel isn't a joke anymore

Long live thunderbolt

[umbral heron]

They're fine, but they don't give you that feeling of power by having huge-ass cooler on your CPU that almost bends your motherboard under its weight

[pale sigil]

Maybe I should invest In a Samsung phone

Get dex

[cursive summit]

Why though

[pale sigil]

just use my phone as a desktop innit

[cursive summit]

That would probably suck though

You need screen real estate

[pale sigil]

maybe a chromebook then

[astral haven]

https://nexdock.com/samsung-dex-laptop/

how about the worst of both worlds

[cosmic thunder]

samsung dex is trahs

[cursive summit]

@pale sigil, if you will

Insult these fools so I don't have to

[tiny jasper]

Guys guest from who I copy my setup 😅

[astral haven]

i prefer it as a desktop to linux
and its definetly better than macos

and outside of work, I use dex more than windows

it still boggles my mind that you need a 3rd party utility to disable mouse acceleration on macos, but dex has a toggle for it