🔌│tech

[reef patrol]

And any local hardware store probably.

[ionic knot]

Golden masking tape is the only good one ?

[reef patrol]

Just get some painter's tape.

[ionic knot]

Ok appreciate you bro

[reef patrol]

It's not rocket science. One brand isn't going to make a difference to another.

[ionic knot]

Yh ik I just dk which one

[umbral heron]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/501E-Beige-Masking-Tape-24mm/dp/B07N1SKP27
https://www.amazon.co.uk/ScotchBlue-Premium-Multi-Surface-2090-EMEA/dp/B09LTDXR1W 48mm*

[ionic knot]

People say different stuff

[stuck surge]

graphene tape for extra performance

[ionic knot]

So it’s confusing asf

[frozen ingot]

taping keyboard kinda cringe ngl

[smoky frigate]

get any tape that's thin and orange, it'll be alright for months

[pale sigil]

@ionic knot if only we had wilkos.....

[smoky frigate]

then it may turn to sticky goo and you'll have to remove it. if I were to stick any tape for long term use anywhere, it'd probably be 3M black gaffer tape, that stuff lasts very long

[pale sigil]

Just use glue, that'll definitely dampen the noise.

[thick elk]

if I were to do any mods it would probably be foam removal, it makes it sound a lot more crisp

Kind of don't like the wet noodle sound of a dampened keyboard

[smoky frigate]

from the video it starts to sound like a membrane keyboard

[severe phoenix]

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2023/12/ai-created-virtual-influencers-are-stealing-business-from-humans/

Oh boo hooo

Lol

[astral haven]

Finally decided to quantify the light gathering capabilities of the phones ive been looking at + cam for scale

x1vi super unknown but that could be correct

[astral haven]

and yes the s21u through s24u get worse after 3x due to samsung using a tiny sensor tiny aperture camera that is worse than the main sensor digitally cropped

[mild dome]

I've actually been thinking of switching to the Xperia for my next device to get back the headphone jack

[astral haven]

i want xperia for the sd card, i already have myself a btr3k for the hp jack

and really looking forward to the "large sensor zoom"

[mild dome]

I've also thoighr about just getting an dap, or something like the btr.
But been suffering from indecision, so many choices

[astral haven]

and if you get an xperia you dont have to worry about it lel

im very focused on camera quality in my phone tho

tbh id love a rx100 camera module on the back of my phone

keep it 1 inch, make it a 12/48mp sensor

[opaque bridge]

Anyone know how I can set the performance core ratio to this in bios?

Msi bios

[upper sun]

Can I use my 60HE to acess bios and whatnot? You know, since we don't have F keys or delete 🤔
Basically I was wondering if the FN keys work as normal even outside windows

[warm schooner]

No f row, no use

[halcyon moss]

What is she software support like?
Samsung offers 5 years

[mild dome]

Sadly looks like 2 years OS updates, and 3 years security.
vs Samsung's four years of One UI upgrades and five years of security updates.

[halcyon moss]

Lol, and that for an even higher price

3 years is barely enough

[severe phoenix]

Should be a minimum of 7 years

[digital cliff]

yes, FN is a keyboard thing, not a windows thing

[halcyon moss]

5 is fine for me, but 7 is excellent

[astral haven]

Yup
But Noone else has complete packages of phone hardware

Samsung skips 3.5 and SD to get you to pay more, most others skimp on the cameras in some aspect, and Sony is the only company focused on camera speed particularly for focusing and subject tracking

Most phones have 2013 mirrorless level tracking
And Sony has their autofocus system from their current mirrorless cams

[mild dome]

Rumour mill says next Xperia Pro is going to have a physical ring to adjust focus

[cursive summit]

They are doing a new Pro?

The rumours lately have been that Sony is abandoning Xperia branding

[mild dome]

Looks like it's a maybe
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Sony-Xperia-Pro-II-tipped-to-launch-with-manual-control-for-variable-aperture-lens.784918.0.html

[cursive summit]

Actually really cool

Xperia just remains the best phone brand

Absolutely no compromises, great quality

And they don't go out chasing trends and cutting features like Apple and Sammy do

[mild dome]

That's why I've started considering them. I moved from the Note 9 to the S22, and I have not been happy with how they cut some features

[cursive summit]

Lack of 3.5mm jack nowadays I can somewhat deal with, but it's still a bummer for IEMs or headphones when I go out

I refuse to tolerate lack of SD or SIM card slot

How are people completely fine with being ripped off of expandable storage

[old marlin]

really happy with my A54 5G

also still does dual sim / sim + sd card

[cursive summit]

And like, it's been proven already, those features cost little to nothing, and occupy little space, there's no reason for them not to exist

[old marlin]

no 3.5mm is basically the only thing I am not super happy with

but can live with

[cursive summit]

.. unless you just want consumer to buy your TWS buds and peripherals

[old marlin]

ye idk

stupidest shit was huawei trying to make their own storage cards

[cursive summit]

Is huawei still relevant?

In this neck of the woods there's been a massive market takeover by Xiaomi

Nearly everything is just Xiaomi

[hearty jolt]

i personally switched from Huawei to Xiaomi after they stopped using Google

[thick elk]

I am on Xiaomi now but ods are in favor of my next smartphone being a fairphone. Still a custom rom user and options are limited. I will say custom roms are not a must but root most definitely is. Even if in a practical sense I can work without it. I hate the idea of not being able to do or try to debug something just because I don't have enough access on my own device.

[azure kelp]

Anyone know if its possible to make more custom lighting on my Wooting 60HE?

the app already has a bunch of options but I wanna get like a custom color moving gradient

[reef patrol]

Not with the app for the time being. You'd have to use a third party RGB app like SignalRGB or similar.

[azure kelp]

Alright, thanks Mansen

loving the keyboard still tho 🙂

got some new pudding keycaps for christmas and they look soooo nice 🙂

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/alleged-intel-core-i9-14900ks-6-2-ghz-cpu-has-been-pictured

They made room heater 14900K into universe heater

Intel is literally so architecturally behind the best they can do is just overclock to extreme levels to compete with Ryzen

That Ryzen efficiency is insane

[halcyon moss]

It's still impressive that it can scale that high though. But lol, too hot for me

[ashen spindle]

why is this news this is some 2 month old picture

[thick elk]

I mean it's not like it's a new cpu or anything it's just a 3% clockspeed bumped 13900ks.

[rough osprey]

my apple tv remote may had some problems

just non stop sending ir signals to make my soundbar louder xD

[thick elk]

Sounds fun.

[rough osprey]

ye my poor neighbors

[sharp badger]

"Room heater" would be quite nice now with -30°C

[cursive summit]

Isn't it -40?

Nordics are getting hammered rn

[reef patrol]

Only closer to the polar circle.

Most of Scandinavia where people actually live is around 0

[cursive summit]

Doesn't seem like the cold will stay for long

Seems it'll pop back to above 0 in a week

Which is just sad, where the cold winters gone

[reef patrol]

We've had a blizzard all day here.

Well I say blizzard. It's mostly strong winds and snow that melts on contact.

[digital cliff]

I want some -30° but only around -15° here

[reef patrol]

Turn off the sauna.

[digital cliff]

ahh damnit, that's it

[astral haven]

https://www.techpowerup.com/317313/samsung-expands-odyssey-gaming-monitor-lineup-with-new-oled-models-at-ces-2024
4k240 oled finally!

[fickle ore]

does it make you ultrapoor

[astral haven]

Presumeably

[rough osprey]

32 inches 😔

[scarlet laurel]

yo guys! can some one please help me understand one thing in regards to magnetic switches? So, wooting ones do support "gradual press" (variable pressure, controller joystick simulation, call it whatever) so it's easier to drive cars/planes etc. Is that the case for all of them? Drunk deer appears to NOT allow that, how about akko? Is it switch specific or keyboard implementation/firmware specific? Thank you!

[umbral heron]

afaik DrunkDeer only implements basic Rapid Trigger, Akko does DKS on top of it, but none of them emulate gamepad inputs yet, that's Wooting exclusive

[scarlet laurel]

ahh ok thanks! as a followup, i see some people saying they have issue with games recognizing wooting kb as a controller, which fights with using the mouse. is it even possible to use this functionality while using a mouse? gta driving, walking speeds etc? I saw one demo showing this in a witcher game, but now im not sure if both (gradual press + mouse) are possible at the same time.

[ashen spindle]

Depends on the game

[umbral heron]

Some games do not like mixed input, but a lot of them have no issues with it. Here's the most complete list https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_games_that_support_simultaneous_input, but there's way more games than that which do support mixed input.

[scarlet laurel]

oh niice! thank you both! this is my biggest reason for considering wooting beside less typing fatigue. would be a shame if i misunderstood what i was buying. 😄 thanks!

[scarlet laurel]

and go for what? linear layout? im not sure i get what you mean 😄

[frozen ingot]

boogeyman keyboard

[scarlet laurel]

thanks for the suggestion, but my issue isnt necessarily carpal tunnel and the like, its more just the press resistance. on certain days just the keypresses tire me out after a long day of programming and then being a bit nervous when gaming and clicking too much, you know... 😄 So messing around with switches is one solution, but i came across wooting and it sounds perfect. load low threshold layout and BOOM, barely moving fingers. 🙂

[astral haven]

https://www.minisforum.com/page/v3/index.html?lang=en
Still doesnt confirm if the touch can be used when using as an external monitor
hypeish

mpp confirmed is good tho id still prefer wacom

[halcyon moss]

That sounds like a beautiful tablet. Probably very expensive

[astral haven]

compared to similar tablets i suspect it should fall right in line

[thick elk]

I like using that formfactor but for my limited laptop needs my chuwi one will do just nicely.

[astral haven]

tbh I dont need a tablet, even tho i like them at work, my phone does everything i need
want a bigger screen tho, considering the vision pro

[thick elk]

I use such a device as a portable laptop, and as a tablet for media consumption. At my vacation apartment, I can just plug in a keyboard and external monitor.
I will add that the one I use is 12inch so there is that.

this may be a bit too large for my needs

[astral haven]

i have my phone for that tho :/

[thick elk]

Also use it as a reference tablet during dnd sessions.

[astral haven]

and ive already got an ice lake tablet

[thick elk]

Phones are a bit too small for watching some tv show in bed imo, it can be done just less nicely.

[astral haven]

tbh i want it for work, but my work isnt able to purchase from those types of oems

[thick elk]

your ice lake one would outperform what I use, but really just have fairly limited needs in that regard.
I have this btw: https://eu.chuwi.com/products/ubook-x-i5-10210y?variant=46924510134616

[astral haven]

yea and i dont even use the ice lake

my monitor swings around over my bed and i hook up my phone via usb

[thick elk]

My phone does not do that sadly, and I don't have a monitor there.
But realistically I don't even watch tv shows that often.

[astral haven]

my phone cant do 4k120 much less 4k240 but 4k60 is fine enough for pretty much everything

[thick elk]

otherwise I would probably just get a tv for that.

[astral haven]

i have a crippling youtube addiction

[stuck surge]

I need 4k 480hz oled

[thick elk]

Same, but I am also terrible at falling asleep so stuff like that stays well clear of my phone

[astral haven]

as long as thats or, lg has you covered soon™️

[stuck surge]

60hz sucks a little for webbrowsing

(yea i dont like jittery scroll lol)

[thick elk]

well they are going to release a screen that can do 4k and 480hz but not both at the same time though.

[astral haven]

it sucks alot, but i do very little of that on my phone

[astral haven]

yea thats why i said "as long as thats or"

[stuck surge]

Lg?

[astral haven]

yes

posted a few weeks ago here

[stuck surge]

Damn i dont want lg to do it pls someone do it using proper oled panel

[thick elk]

They change their subpixel layout as well

[stuck surge]

oh they will?

[astral haven]

yep but on other monitors, the 4k/480 is a woled

😦

[stuck surge]

White subpixel bad

Matte coating bad

[astral haven]

no gaming monitor is glossy

[stuck surge]

Alienware qd oled is

[astral haven]

no gaming monitor is glossy lel

[stuck surge]

I mean it was labeled as gaming monitor i think? Lol

[astral haven]

yea they can pretend all they want but that aint it chief

[stuck surge]

If you mean 480-540 hz or 360hz bfi ips/tn or whatever then yea nope

[thick elk]

It's also not just that they use wrgb but also the subpixel layout

[astral haven]

its a fancy pretty monitor, but it aint for gaming

[astral haven]

they use the proper stripe layout unlike the pentile inspired qdoleds

they just have an extra subpixel

[thick elk]

They now have rwbg and moving to rgwb which still a bit less bad

[astral haven]

its really not

[thick elk]

I would have to so reviews if it helps in practice though.

[astral haven]

30% (or more) peak brightness and saturation reduction really hurts

[stuck surge]

microled would be ideal

But thats 20years away

[astral haven]

nah we could have it now but it would just cost a fortune

[stuck surge]

current microleds are like 120inch tvs that eat kws of power and cost as much as a house so well

but there is no promise whatsoever for them to get smaller or cheaper anytime soon

meanwhile oled started to iterate every year

minileds too

[astral haven]

i really want some absolute madlad of a company to make a 300mm diagonal uoled at like 20k nits, and make an array of them

[thick elk]

Also newer oled techniques are also improving still I really wouldn't just bet on one magical technique though.

[stuck surge]

what is uoled?

Never heard of that

[astral haven]

micro oled

the stuff used for microdisplays

[stuck surge]

oh those ones

[astral haven]

usually 1 inch diagonal

[stuck surge]

Well that would be interesting trying to sync 100 panels

each with its own uniformity

(i assums even uoleds dont come out defect free)

[rough osprey]

https://vxtwitter.com/pronounced_kyle/status/1742588127628361809?t=eJK5LtHYjWaGwMkoAHG1Aw&s=19

[stuck surge]

Ph oled is the magic that we are betting on rn

[rough osprey]

dont know if this is tech

[stuck surge]

It is tech

[rough osprey]

🔥

[thick elk]

Going back to subpixel rendering, as I cannot set it per monitor I just turned it off on account of using 1 vertical monitor.

[astral haven]

yay -_-

[thick elk]

It still mostly looks fine with modern fonts on 1440p 27inch imo

[astral haven]

maybe if you use it with scaling

but i use 4k32 at 100% and i still have aliasing issues

[rough osprey]

get 4k 27

[thick elk]

Not saying it's perfect but fine for my uses

[astral haven]

yea its fine ofc

but like is it worth 1.2-1.5k fine?

[thick elk]

I would still have to deal with my vertical monitor either way.

[astral haven]

fair
my "vertical" monitor is just using my monitor as a left and right half

on the other hand, if the oled was rgb stripe, you wouldnt have to worry about it

i kinda want an rgbcwa or rgbww display, but i also want it to be bright

[untold juniper]

do OEM Profile ABS keycaps (1.2 mm) are compatible with lekker 60s?

[reef patrol]

Got an example? That sounds like some kind of super flat and low profile keycap

[untold juniper]

https://ymdkey.com/products/108-iso-milk-fog-blank-keycaps-abs-oem-profile?variant=30994301124669

[reef patrol]

Yep. Should work just fine.

[untold juniper]

thx

[brittle atlas]

what happened to na lion role?

[reef patrol]

Nothing happened to it. You have it right now?

[brittle atlas]

in stock updates

it said @deleted role

[reef patrol]

@marsh glade

https://tenor.com/view/helpme-saveme-starwars-obiwan-obiwankenobi-gif-5693087

[marsh glade]

Oh there were two NA-Lion roles

[brittle atlas]

thought somthing happened to that shipment :(

[marsh glade]

I can't edit it right now because I have a draft post ready to go

But tomorrow I'll fix it

[stuck surge]

bruteforcing it with 4k should do the trick

(on new monitors this year)

[thick elk]

I'd rather not go above 100% scaling, on linux right now there be dragons, especially using fractional scaling.

[halcyon moss]

looks at jetbrains ides

/me looks at signal/slack/...

[stuck surge]

IDK

my 1440p screen has same text quality as 4k

obviously microtext looks better

but i have 28inch 4k so its hard to read it

[astral haven]

on windows if you have screens with different scaling, moving programs around causes jank
on macos it causes the gpu to run at an insanely high render resolution then downscales to your monitors
and linux...

[umbral heron]

And Linux...

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[astral haven]

linux has some fun stuff

i just saw the article about the 22 degree monitor rotation

[umbral heron]

omfg WHY would you use transform in xrandr in such a way?

What's this...

[warm night]

its there to be used

😃

[astral haven]

that allows you the maximum length of horizontal line with that monitor lel

[ashen spindle]

maximum code line and it also gives hollywood new sci fi prop ideas xD

[smoky frigate]

if you're so lazy you won't tilt your monitor correctly, you can also do this I guess

[umbral heron]

Welp

[astral haven]

lel have fun

[umbral heron]

Hmmm... not ideal...

[ashen spindle]

see you need to tilt the screen so gravity lets the content drop down

[astral haven]

i cant say much considering the BS i pull with my monitors
1,3,4,5 are all 24 inchers, 2 is a 27, and 6 is a 10 incher

100% scaling on all of them

[umbral heron]

Also I found cool bug with KDE
Everytime I switch X11<->Wayland it resets my mouse settings and sets acceleration from Flat to Adaptive

[astral haven]

its pretty annoying to move my cursor across them because it moves at vastly different speeds

[warm night]

yea i ran into that

[thick elk]

I just stick to Wayland but report that shit. if it isn't already reported

[warm night]

glad X11 is barely usable because i need 175% scaling to see anything

200% is too big

like way too big

[thick elk]

I do believe reports do help.
A bug report of mine is the reason a feature I actually like got added to plasma.

Namely the panels and desktops management screen. You can use it to move panels between screens be it disconnected or active disabled or enabled.

I had problems with my monitors sometimes being recognized as something else resulting in some residual ghost panels and me having to set up their layout again.
Someone else made a pr with this feature where they wondered if there was any use to this. My bug report gave that use.

[torpid walrus]

Huhhhh lol

[torpid walrus]

What does this setup look like lol

[pale sigil]

LAME

Cant run home assist in docker with plugins

[astral haven]

Covered in pii ubfortunately
Think an l shaped desk, completely covered in monitors

[torpid walrus]

How big is that desk lmao

I have trouble with fitting everything with 2 monitors and a pc lol

[astral haven]

L desk
Think 2 desks

[torpid walrus]

I know it's an L desk man

idk where to look for a bigger one

[umbral heron]

I may have played with X11 too hard, I had to chroot

[thick elk]

If it's just X11 you broke, you can tty your way to fixing it.

Anyway Good night.

[umbral heron]

Haven't thought of that

Goodnight 👋

[pale sigil]

Home assist is so lame

if you dont run it via its own OS

wtf

[twin escarp]

does wooting two he also have rapid trigger? theres a box explaining rapid trigger, but not saying it has it, but it says on wooting 60he that it does have it, so thats confusing

[ashen spindle]

why would it explain something that doesnt exist on it

[twin escarp]

idk, it looks identical to 60he page so maybe they forgot to remove that? theres nothing anywhere apart from that one box

[umbral heron]

All Wooting keebs, going back to Wooting One have rapid trigger

[twin escarp]

ok cool, thanks

[ashen spindle]

Amd Ces Info Site is up and now it seems more like I should hope for zen5 being mentioned as a one more thing at best rip

Stupid AI focus

[charred quest]

Anybody uses monitor arm?

[reef patrol]

Sure?

[charred quest]

What brand

Looking at this huano one on Amazon rn

[reef patrol]

Arctic X1-3D is what I got for my single 34" ultrawide monitor.

[charred quest]

Aigh thx 🔥

What's its weight if u know?

[reef patrol]

Of?

[charred quest]

The monitor

[reef patrol]

8.1kg - but that's with the foot installed. No measurements for just the panel.

[halcyon moss]

It works well in docker, but works better in a vm

[pale sigil]

Big update

[halcyon moss]

.. Or native install

[pale sigil]

i got HACs working.

On docker

so now im running Tuya Local and Meross Local 😄

[halcyon moss]

Do yourself a favor and install it in a vm instead

Keeping ha up to date is super easy then

[pale sigil]

Why?

Docker is fine

and i dont want to run a VM on my pi

[halcyon moss]

Adons work real nice in the vm/install

Orrr you can update every dep manually with docker 😉
Or click a button on home assistant ui

[severe phoenix]

https://youtu.be/tKfYxyepl3c

Colon cancer

[pale sigil]

loving this

@halcyon mossdo you use alexa with it

[ashen spindle]

Using secure open source control center to then just use a spy device with it is peak irony

[pale sigil]

Nah, im running LAN

Like LocalTuya

[ashen spindle]

You can run Alexa locally now?

[pure sinew]

Will thes fit with a 60he

[pale sigil]

https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f

Only redux

[severe phoenix]

https://preview.redd.it/4uratw6hwbac1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=15cdf2f3574c455143789f6ce3acab8157ca5b66

https://vxtwitter.com/XboxGamePassPC/status/1742621885332869493

[halcyon moss]

Fuck no.

[dusty elm]

Intels better

[cursive coyote]

rip my 3070TI asus tuf card is getting artefacts in games :/

Temps never went over 70C but luckily i got warranty

[old marlin]

did you update drivers?

[cursive coyote]

Yeah

[old marlin]

rip

[cursive coyote]

Yeah of course

@prisma crag Nah, is that some kind of benchmark?

Ahhh

How could i check that though?

I might get 4070ti as replacement but i would like to test the card so i don't return it for no reason

without breaking it

[cursive summit]

You're not just a clown, you're the entire circus

Funnily enough my 7800XT order didn't get canceled yet, I wonder if they are actually going to honour the pricing mistake

They did fix the pricing the day after though

415 euros for a 7800XT is very stonks

Well it's a ~600ish euro card here in EU

Getting -150 euros off is great

I saw a 7900XT for 600 euros flat too, that would have been insane but I think I'll settle for 7800XT

[cursive summit]

Hah, they canceled the order

Took em 2 days

[reef patrol]

Only downside of shopping online. They have a chance to cancel an order.

[cursive summit]

Took off the card off the website too

[reef patrol]

Though legally speaking - at least here - if the discount isn't "an obvious typo" you can take them to small claims court to force them to honour the purchase.

[cursive summit]

Well they cited "no more inventory left" and it's no longer on the website

So, can't really prove em petty

I'll just keep some tabs on market price movements, SUPER launch, maybe there's some good cards on sale

I hate the word sale nowadays, it either means something is being sold, or it's on discount

American/British English at its finest

[warm night]

as a brit everyone i knows says "on offer"

meaning discounted

sometimes on sale is used though its less common

[cursive summit]

Although.. that online store took down most of the 7800XT, 7900XT discounts

They still have RTX 4070 on a 200 euro discount

Not worth bothering, they'll just cancel the order again

[halcyon moss]

choice paralysis when choosing led strips ~_~

[ashen spindle]

take the 4th from the top

[halcyon moss]

11.52W/m
thats a lot of power.

i dont want it to be daylight in my cupboard

[ashen spindle]

2nd then

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7-5700x3d-now-listed-in-europe-for-e271-ryzen-5-5500gt-costs-e134

I wonder if 5700X3D will be the same situation as 5700X completely obsoleting 5800X

When Ryzen 3 launched the only 8 core was the 5800X, but then they did the whole mid-gen refresh cause even 5600X was too expensive, some 249 euros at that point

[reef patrol]

Or if it is some weird small stock failed version of the 5800?

Like that one in the US ... walmart was it?

[cursive summit]

And effectively 5600 non-X obsoleted 5600X, 5700X obsoleted 5800X

[cursive summit]

5600X3D microcenter only

Still in stock though

[ashen spindle]

Yeah it’s small epyc rejects and such so it’s just another option and you get whatever is in price range most of the time that just means get 5800x3d still

[cursive summit]

Wondering if 5700X3D is just going to end up a cheaper 5800X3D

With tiny differences in clocks which you can just make up with an OC

[ashen spindle]

No

[cursive summit]

Reason being?

5700X was just a cheaper 5800X

[ashen spindle]

Same as all x3d parts you can barely change performance

[cursive summit]

Insofar it looks like exactly the same story as 5700X/5800X3D

5700X3D boost 4.1GHz apparently, 5800X3D 4.5GHz

Exactly the same difference between 700X/800X

I'm all for a cheaper X3D launch for AM4, pretty cool

[ashen spindle]

Boost matters as you can’t really increase this

And the 800x3d is dropping in price so no point going for something else still

[cursive summit]

Yet the performance difference between 700X/800X is tiny so does the boost even matter?

[stuck surge]

5800x3d dropped so much in price that if you are going am4 then just get this

[cursive summit]

400MHz sound like a lot but the difference in performance in practical terms isn't really there

Unless X3D really really needs those MHz

[stuck surge]

any cpu needs those mhz

[ashen spindle]

The lower you start the more of a difference 400mhz are

[stuck surge]

people who managed to overclock 5800x3d got decent results from just adding like 100mhz

[cursive summit]

Except for 5700X cause that performs on par with 5800X even with 400MHz lower clock

Cause I think they increased infinity cache bandwidth on 5700X to compensate or something

Looking at the specs

[ashen spindle]

??? Spec says they are 100mhz apart

[cursive summit]

Oh shit sorry, base clock is the difference

I read that wrong

There's also this which.. is maybe infinity fabric?

Huh then 5700X3D might be quite a bit slower, that boost hit is large

Unfortunate

@ashen spindlebtw quin, what would get more performance out of a PC, upgrading to a 7900XT without a CPU upgrade, which is currently a 5600X, or a 7800XT but with a 5800X3D

Cause CPU upgrades can bring some insane performance gains

[ashen spindle]

depends on game

and resolution

[cursive summit]

Last I checked which was recently, same card can bring some 50% perf boost with X3D

I play at 1440p

[ashen spindle]

well I'm waiting for zen5

[cursive summit]

I'm not buying into AM5 just yet

I have a pretty dank AM4 board and not in the interest of spending more on new sticks of RAM, new board, etc

[reef patrol]

I didn't want to, but my hand was forced.

[ashen spindle]

well then it depends on the game, if you say the game you look at gets that much from x3d it seems obvious

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-january-8th-ces-2024-event-focusing-on-ai

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-to-reveal-its-roadmap-beyond-the-18a-18nm-process-node-in-a-few-weeks-the-company-will-share-its-post-5n4y-roadmap-soon

[stuck surge]

heavily depends on game but yea

it can happen

[cursive summit]

None of the ones I play are ever benchmarked

Which is a bit sad

[stuck surge]

ff14 is incorrectly benchmarked by a lot of people

5800x3d should be on par with 14900k in that game

for example

[reef patrol]

How do you do a benchmark wrong exactly? Pick the wrong preset? Heh

[stuck surge]

the game doesnt process players the same way it processes npc

[ashen spindle]

the offline benchmark is used which is a wrong representation of online performance

[reef patrol]

Ahhh. Well counterpoint - It's the only static benchmark you CAN do.

[stuck surge]

well and it sucks

lol

[reef patrol]

There is no way to do a true 1:1 comparison online.

[stuck surge]

you could if you had multiple systems and joined the same instance

[ashen spindle]

an inaccurate comparison of just doing limsa or a replay of a raid would be more accurate

[reef patrol]

Closest you might be able to get is ask an entire guild to stand idle in a bossfight and record it over and over.

[ashen spindle]

you can use the duty recorder to replay things

[stuck surge]

raids could be fairly accurate

[reef patrol]

That would have the same issue as online though? You're asking the PC to do pre-recorded movement?

[stuck surge]

minecraft benefits quite from x3d apparently but i couldnt find much benchmarks

[ashen spindle]

it's not the best but it would be better than the ingame one at least

[stuck surge]

besides people who work with a lot redstone saying that

[ashen spindle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/xxy962/a_practical_look_at_the_effect_of_3d_vcache_on/

like you have >30% gain in a 24man and the offline benchmark is nowhere near that, in limsa even more so

I get why GN wont do it, absolutely not scientific because it's not the same thing each time

but for consumer it's so much more relevant

[stuck surge]

basically

any game which has to handle a lot of data will benefit from it

[reef patrol]

GN would need something similar to LTT Labs scripted benchmarks. But using actual client PCs and a scenario that can be easily replicated.

[ashen spindle]

I would argue just doing a limsa plaza runaround 3 times instead of doing the offline benchmark would show more relevant data

as long as it's done at a time where you have enough people to show the max amount of characters, aka any time during the day

[old marlin]

Software is os

[reef patrol]

Que?

[old marlin]

Open source

Ffxiv just doesn't have a good benchmark

[reef patrol]

I didn't say they couldn't DO it. I said they needed to make one 😄

[reef patrol]

Limsa using two identical PCs aside from the CPU would probably be the closest you could get. Both would have to join the same exact instance and stand on top of each other with an identical camera angle.

And then redo it across different times of day for a better average.

[ashen spindle]

start by tping from lower deck to plaza, then run 2x in a circle and do that twice

[fair gull]

man my g203 and g100s scroll wheels both are damn loud now

[ashen spindle]

that would be good enough imo

added with a fat disclaimer that it's online game etc.

but I think that would be better than using the offline benchmark

[marsh marlin]

does anyone know someone i can get in contact in for putting the wrong address in i sent an email but I'm worried that it wont be received in time iv already confirmed the order by accident i didn't realise there was multiple adress with the same postcode as myn in my general area

[reef patrol]

You can change the address on an order that hasn't shipped out yet via our hub.

https://hub.wooting.io/my/account

[marsh marlin]

it says i cant change my order if it is a preorder

or you may only edit your address if it i a preorder

iv confirmed it by accident without realising what i put

[reef patrol]

What's your order number?

[marsh marlin]

should i dm it or will it not matter

im not very good with these things

[reef patrol]

Just put it here.

EU/USxxx

[marsh marlin]

EU122851H

is that right

for an order number

[reef patrol]

You should - should be able to edit the address now.

Please send us an email at [e-mail] if you managed to fix it. Or if you didn't so we can help correct it.
The order is on a hold so it won't ship by accident in the meantime.

[marsh marlin]

omg your a life saver tysm mansen

i was having a heart attack

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/you-got-this-dude-gif-19511528

[coarse barn]

Is it true that the apex pro develops more issues over time than other keyboards?

A friend of mine meant it is like that, which is the reason i ordered a wooter

[main flicker]

is there any way to map a key to '∼' on the 60HE ?

[reef patrol]

Not a a single key unless your language does that already

But you can use a DKS keybind to do the button cmob

[steel hawk]

layers?

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-onions-have-layers-layers-onions-gif-25090894

[cursive summit]

https://news.samsung.com/global/invitation-galaxy-unpacked-2024-opening-a-new-era-of-mobile-ai

What...

AI phone?

I bet it's just a widget on your home screen that connects to ChatGPT or someshit like that

[analog sinew]

urgh

AI could be cool but it will end up with sumb shit like this most of the time

[stuck surge]

Companies are promoting patter recognition software as ai

And one that depends on stolen works from the internet mostly

[cursive summit]

well technically all humans learn on "stolen works"

It'd be fair if AI would actually get served ads as it crawls websites though

[main flicker]

ah i see, my confusion was that it was not listed in the characters list in wootility. But i see now its the case for all shift modifier characters

~ :)

[cursive summit]

Saw a cool pretty new discount

Deal expired but

1100$ delivery?

[astral haven]

relatively common scam because shipping isnt refundable sometimes
or its just in a different country (or continent)

[fair gull]

no shipping costs that much

even cross contintent

unless this is the machine that makes 7900xtx cards

[old marlin]

It comes from the moon

Amazon interplanetary delivery only needs one warehouse

[cursive summit]

https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/4/24025126/is-that-a-steam-deck-competitor-youre-teasing-msi

We just need Apple's handheld.. lol

Unironically Samsung would prolly try to do it

[old marlin]

Will release just as quickly as their vr headset

[vagrant pagoda]

Next day hand delivery lol

Ie dude gets on a plane with it in a carry on and takes it to you

Also competitor is a stretch. The ally barely completes

[astral haven]

eh whoever can get into big box stores will compete even if its not technically competitive

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah

MSI and Asus are massive laptop/desktop company's so they can push a ton of product

[fast dirge]

will never be able to get an ultralight x this shit sold out

[fallen shore]

SSD go brrrr

[pale sigil]

Please no

[cursive summit]

You know what? I wouldn't mind it

Snapdragon Elite handheld would go ham

[pale sigil]

It would probably be exynos

Lol

Basically a portable hand warmer

[cursive summit]

Ehh.. no

I doubt that kind of machine would run anything more than Terraria

Hell it would struggle with modded Terraria

[vagrant pagoda]

You know terraria is on mobile right?

[cursive summit]

Yep

[vagrant pagoda]

And it runs on potatoes

[cursive summit]

That thing renders the game at like 25% resolution

[gritty timber]

I want to change my adress but it doesnt work can anybody help

[cursive summit]

I mean yes, it would run a smartphone version of the game on the smartphone OS

[marsh glade]

You cannot change your delivery country via the Hub

[cursive summit]

But if you get Exynos to run Windows and then play Terraria, that's a bit of a different talk

[marsh glade]

Need to email [e-mail] for assistance

[gritty timber]

thanks

[vagrant pagoda]

You get any arm running windows it will be ass

[cursive summit]

Which is exactly what we are talking about

There's virtually no reason to have a handheld running a smartphone OS, at that point..

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-guys-not-have-a-phone-blizzard-diablo-gif-5097388828827651695

[vagrant pagoda]

Um

My Odin says other wise

Emulation is amazing on arm

For consoles

Why I don't get the base ally

I guess retro PC games

[gusty kiln]

I'm waiting for steam deck 2 in 2026

[smoky frigate]

I'm waiting for Half Life 3 in 2029 (I'm not supposed to say that, don't tell gabe)

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/S8aaB9LXVgs

Looks so fucking jank

[daring steeple]

too bad itll just use msi dragon center

[vagrant pagoda]

You'll see the stock stand lol

[final flame]

could put a usb hub on the little shelf

[twin escarp]

probably a dumb question, but is the rapid trigger separate to the switches and keycaps? so I can use my own keycaps and switches and still have the effect of a rapid trigger

[ashen spindle]

keycaps are fine but wym with your own switches

you cant put normal switches in a wooting

[twin escarp]

yeah, that makes sense lol

thanks for clarifying :)

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNTv5SgM0BM

[stone thicket]

What should I be aware of if I want to add one more ssd?

My current one is there

[raw zephyr]

🧠💥

[shadow minnow]

Bit of a shame razer only lets you put their wireless puck on their big mouses

[old marlin]

Wdym

You mean a dongle holder?

[shadow minnow]

Where the dongle holder is you can put like a wireless charging puck for qi charging

https://www.razer.com/gaming-mice-accessories/razer-wireless-charging-puck

This thing

Logitech also has a similar one

[old marlin]

Ah

Wireless charging sucks anyways

[shadow minnow]

I kinda like not having to plug in a cable lmao

[old marlin]

The horror of having to plug in your mouse once a week

💀💀

Just use a magnetic cable if it is that bad

[digital cliff]

I just use a wired because I don't like charging

[old marlin]

Fair

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-claw-gaming-handheld-leaked-features-intel-core-ultra-7-155h-with-arc-graphics-and-32gb-memory

But.. why

32gb of RAM..? What

[reef patrol]

Lewd Skyrim Mods.

ALL of them.

[pale sigil]

Why Intel

[ashen spindle]

Because bad product needs numbers to look good

So you slap 32gb on it, show performance on max powerdraw and ignore it is useless at low power

[gritty timber]

hi, i don't know much about PC's and i needed some Help. Can anyone help me with The other Parts. i already know which gpu i'll get (RTX 3060 TI)
Budget: 1700€
Location: Belgium

[crimson wigeon]

To differentiate, will be interesting to see how performance differs compared to the AMD powered handhelds

[pale sigil]

Budget/location helps 🙂

[pale sigil]

Ye, especially with arc

[cursive summit]

Why a 3060Ti

[pale sigil]

That too

Great choice if it's a hand down or cheap

[raw zephyr]

why not? it's a really good 1080p card

[cursive summit]

Unless they already have it or got for a low price, there potentially are better cards to get

[raw zephyr]

i assume it's second hand

[digital cliff]

for a pc for 1700€ isn't 3060ti a little underwhelming?

[pale sigil]

1700? Huh

[cursive summit]

It is

[digital cliff]

just doesn't immediately strike me as a balanced build is all

[pale sigil]

Oh they edited

Their message

Very underwhelming

[gritty timber]

my friend said its good

[cursive summit]

Isn't the rule that the GPU should be between 40-60% of build value

[pale sigil]

For your price range you can get better

[digital cliff]

it's not bad, just if you mean to spend all 1700€, you'll end up with quite the beefy CPU in comparison to your measly GPU

[pale sigil]

Ye

[cursive summit]

Just get a 4070Ti at that budget

[pale sigil]

Stop

[cursive summit]

You stop

[crimson wigeon]

Start

[gritty timber]

and what cpu

[pale sigil]

Ignore vex

[digital cliff]

I don't know anything about anything but I'd guess something like 4070/ti or 7800/7900xt for that budget PC sounds more like it?

[pale sigil]

He's our resident old crazy man

[cursive summit]

Reasons?

[pale sigil]

To many to list

[cursive summit]

I am not suggesting the lad AMD when they evidently know nothing about PCs

4070Ti or 4080 are their options

B650 and 7800X3D for CPU and mobo

[pale sigil]

7800xt is significantly cheaper and not much worse.

Like a shit ton cheaper

[cursive summit]

It is, as well as being AMD

[pale sigil]

Id get a 7900xt

[digital cliff]

7800X3D for gaming, I'd guess (again, I know nothing about nothing so ask more qualified people)

[pale sigil]

If you're ok spending 4070ti money

Lol

[cursive summit]

That is the correct and only choice

7800X3D is like 350 or so

[digital cliff]

I don't know what vex has against amd but I guess you have some options to look at now

[cursive summit]

B650 is like what, 200 euros for a decent board?

[pale sigil]

Ok I was off a bit, 7800xt is a decent chunk less but still insanely cheaper.

[cursive summit]

Considering I nowadays run AMD only builds, I have nothing against them lol

[pale sigil]

What res @gritty timber

[cursive summit]

But they are cards you need to know the drawbacks of

Especially for a user that evidently, has no clue about the industry

[reef patrol]

175€ or so.

[gritty timber]

what is res

[cursive summit]

Driver issues, long term unfixed problems, lately there have been drivers that brick your entire systems

[pale sigil]

Resolution 🙂

[old marlin]

Resolution

[reef patrol]

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0BH4M6ZL9?tag=pcp05-21&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
PG Lightning for a mere 176€ on Amazon

[pale sigil]

So 1080p vs 1440p or 4k

🙂

[gritty timber]

1080p

[cursive summit]

In general Nvidia is just probably more stable, more reliable, and has better feature offerings, plus you get CUDA

[digital cliff]

so I'd spend 500 from that budget into a monitor immediately instead

[cursive summit]

Good 1440p monitors are like 300

[digital cliff]

I feel like it doesn't make sense to build a PC for 1700€ for 1080p but that's just me

[cursive summit]

300$ 1440p monitor and 1400 for the build is pretty damn good

[ashen spindle]

Dear god just make a pcpp list instead of these random parts thrown in everywhere

[gritty timber]

that can work too

[cursive summit]

Where you buying from?

Amazon? Local stuff?

[pale sigil]

Belgium so anywhere in eu

[gritty timber]

Amazon

[digital cliff]

I don't feel confident in doing that, I'm just mostly entertaining myself here

[cursive summit]

Amazon.de works

[gritty timber]

yeah

[cursive summit]

I'll see what I can cook up for 1700 euros

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/cook-breaking-bad-hoodie-gif-13536614

I'm here to judge

[cursive summit]

Considering you suggested AMD GPUs, please don't

[reef patrol]

[cursive summit]

Don't suggest AMD to a noobie

[gritty timber]

ok thanks

[reef patrol]

There's nothing wrong with suggesting AMD to anyone in this day and age you old fogie 😄

[pale sigil]

Inb4 drivers

[cursive summit]

Considering you literally have to keep tabs on their subreddit to get news on driver releases that brick your systems? Go Nvidia

And that happened like what, 2 times this year?

[pale sigil]

Lol

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-cap-my-cap-senses-are-tingling-spidey-senses-gif-25195050

[pale sigil]

As an Nvidia user I can confirm your bias is funny.

[cursive summit]

https://www.neowin.net/news/amd-confirms-updating-radeon-gpu-drivers-can-brick-your-windows-installation/#:~:text=AMD has issued a warning to its graphics,circulating the internet over the last few weeks.

https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-drivers-are-bricking-windows-11-systemsagain

[reef patrol]

Vex. We're on the fifth day of the year.

Get with the times.

[cursive summit]

Twice in 2023 that happened I'm pretty sure

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-the-future-is-today-gif-18007220

[cursive summit]

Lads

I buy AMD GPUs myself lol

Just don't suggest it to a guy that knows virtually nothing

[pale sigil]

And you can find issues with Nvidia too

[cursive summit]

They will get into more trouble than they can fix

[ashen spindle]

One time was literally Microsofts fault and could have happend to Nvidia just as well this is not relevant

[reef patrol]

I find it humorous that you're giving AMD shit for "bricking" a Windows install in a fraction of cases (you could iterally just run recovery mode) when nVidia are burning people's homes down.

[pale sigil]

Also Nvidia drivers are so bad these days

[digital cliff]

yeah I think you're just cherrypicking a negative datapoint and overweighting it by a lot when it comes to this convo

reality is for most people most stuff works just fine, if you're affected by something then unlucky but it could happen with anything I guess

[reef patrol]

[pale sigil]

AMD ain't perfect but they are far away from the old days.

[cursive summit]

They are

Which is why I buy AMD just cause they are cheaper lol

But I would still not give an AMD card just yet to a complete normie

[pale sigil]

With the current pricing

[marsh glade]

Perfectly fine for a newbie, they don't update their drivers anyway

[pale sigil]

Nvidia pricing is horrendous.

[reef patrol]

[cursive summit]

Yeah that's the main drawback nowadays

Nvidia pricing is fuckin shit

AMD outdoes them on price and performance jesus christ

[marsh glade]

bUT mY DrIvErs

[pale sigil]

My friend used one of those pc health driver programs despite me warning them not to

They bricked their Windows because of drivers

[smoky frigate]

gpu manufacturers still thinking they're hot shit long after the pandemic. get rid of your stock already

[pale sigil]

I spent ages trying to fix it but it was just impossible.

Still waiting on them to re install Windows.

[digital cliff]

good ol windows and drivers

[pale sigil]

In this case it wasn't really down to Windows....

[smoky frigate]

yeah that was user error

[ashen spindle]

that is a good point, if linux is more mainstream we see more "pc health software" that will screw with it in the weirdest ways and that would be really funny to see

[pale sigil]

The program in question is notorious for installing dodgy drivers, however it was down to Windows not making it easy to remove said drivers and go back to default.

Very specific drivers that affect how drives work.

So Windows would just crash as if your SSD is failing.

[smoky frigate]

it probably would just not work the same way, the way distributions are wildly different in their configuration. driver updater would be interesting tho. get everything from github and keep it up to date

[pale sigil]

https://www.iobit.com/en/driver-booster.php

This garbage

It's bloody malware

[ashen spindle]

oh the people who make these shit software will find ways to break whatever linux distro would be most popular

[reef patrol]

Driver Booster is actually super helpful - On older laptops. You still need to clean out all of the shit afterwards, but it genuinely finds drivers that are just nigh impossible to find otherwise for obscure components like fall sensors, wifi modules and trackpads.

[pale sigil]

She was wanting to look after her new PC and make sure drivers were always up to date, I expressed she doesn't need to worry about drivers every two seconds and most of the time it's automatic these days anyway.

[smoky frigate]

oh absolutely, they'd just break it. imbeciles will handle tools you give them in destructive ways

[pale sigil]

And that her main drivers can use the amd catalyst thing.

[old marlin]

why update if they work

[pale sigil]

Game ready

Oh

Sarcasm

[old marlin]

Fr tho

Only reason i update gpu drivers is if there us a new game i wanna play

[pale sigil]

True

Same here

[old marlin]

Or you know, if i have an issue that might be related to the current driver

[cursive summit]

@ashen spindle Caseking isn't enterprise only right?

They do ship to consumers right

[old marlin]

It's not

[ashen spindle]

normal shop

[old marlin]

Primarily so

[cursive summit]

Unlike mindfactory

[old marlin]

What

[ashen spindle]

mindfactory is normal shop too

[old marlin]

Mindfactory also is a normal shop lol

[cursive summit]

Mindfactory is not a normal shop cause I literally can't order from them

[ashen spindle]

they just dont ship to outside germany

[old marlin]

Skill issue

[cursive summit]

Well yes that was the question

Caseking does ship international right?

[ashen spindle]

they also dont ship business outsite

[old marlin]

Post covid thing i think?

[reef patrol]

Yes.

[reef patrol]

I think it was post-3000 series GPU crisis actually?

[old marlin]

Also caseking has some subsidiaries

[old marlin]

Ah

[cursive summit]

None of the good displays are available on amazon, computeruniverse or caseking lemao

[smoky frigate]

what kinda display are you looking for

[ashen spindle]

just put pcpp on belgium idk what you are trying to do manually

[cursive summit]

Alienware AW2723DF, Gigabyte M27Q X aren't available

[digital cliff]

it's a shame too since they used to and it was pretty much the best place to buy PC components back then

[cursive summit]

They are buying from amazon

[old marlin]

Just order directly from dell for the aw one

They usually have discounts

[ashen spindle]

just use pcpp anyway and if its one shop they can assemble it if its self assemble you can just pick wherever its cheaper and amazon is on there too

[cursive summit]

I am using pcpp

Just set to germany

[smoky frigate]

https://www.topachat.com/pages/detail2_cat_est_peripheriques_puis_rubrique_est_w_moni_puis_ref_est_in20006336.html

check if this ships to your cuntrey, I bought from this store when I lived in France and was quite happy

[cursive summit]

Well this is the best I could come up with, anyone can suggest how to shed some 500 euros to fit 1700 budget? https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/WXkMyg

7800XT is the obvious one but won't be enough to shed 500

[reef patrol]

No PSU?

[cursive summit]

I did forget about that

[pale sigil]

Good cooler

But um

What mansen said

[cursive summit]

Cooler I just got from https://gamersnexus.net/megacharts/cpu-coolers

[pale sigil]

What happened to the budget

[digital cliff]

my solution is to buy secondhand but I doubt it applies in this case

[smoky frigate]

oh you wanted the M27Q-X https://www.topachat.com/pages/detail2_cat_est_peripheriques_puis_rubrique_est_w_moni_puis_ref_est_in20012243.html

[cursive summit]

Best case scenario that we need to shed

I literally told you that

[pale sigil]

240hz?....

[smoky frigate]

sell your pokemon

[cursive summit]

Wtf was that PSU testing place

That people hold to high regard

[pale sigil]

This dude is not going to be doing 240hz

[cursive summit]

Cibernetics?

[smoky frigate]

I remember the linux sex tips forum had a fantastic PSU tier list, lemme see if I can find it again

[cursive summit]

I know that one, https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

Well 850W RMe seems to be pretty good

Leave it at that

Well I switched out some parts for cheaper, still -200 to shed

[digital cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

me with a very old second hand PSU

[cursive summit]

If we ditch the display, the budget is made

But 1080p in 2024 is ew

[smoky frigate]

still having a 600w PSU in use that I got in............ 2010

[cursive summit]

Pretty sure the one in my rig is like D tier on cultists lol, some cheap ass 30$ 550W

[cursive summit]

Funnily nough it's prolly built to better quality than newer ones

[smoky frigate]

I am not so sure myself, I'm admittedly playing with fire. but they age exceptionally well when compared to most PC parts

[cursive summit]

Anyone got any ideas to make this 1700 flat? https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/H6DWKX

CPU is a bit on the expensive side from the current US 300$ but seems normal in EU

[smoky frigate]

I think if you want a good PC for 1700buckaroos in 2023, it's better to buy used than new

[cursive summit]

1700 is like high end PC territory, no need to buy used

That display though is kinda ruining the budget lel

Cheapest good 1440p I can see though

[digital cliff]

there's nothing to downgrade on that list anymore if you still want to keep a balanced build, my suggestion is to try and find the GPU used and you save that 200 or so

[cursive summit]

The conclusion I am coming up to rn

Unless you want to get like a baseline RTX 4060 which is very ew

[digital cliff]

or entirely downgrade to a much cheaper build w/ 5800x3d or something

[cursive summit]

And downgrade to R5 7600

[raw zephyr]

maybe different ram? isn't gskill trident z neo 6000cl30 cheaper?

[digital cliff]

not sure if it makes sense to go for old platform anymore

[cursive summit]

That isn't going to shed 220 euros

[cursive summit]

It indeed doesn't, though R5 7600 is pretty damn good

[digital cliff]

yeah maybe that then

[raw zephyr]

well yeah but it's still gonna lower the price

[cursive summit]

Well okay I switched out 7800X3D to 7600

Total: €1751.83

50 euros to shed

[digital cliff]

7600 now and go to 7800x3d later if you wanna

[cursive summit]

Then I'll change the RAM to something cheaper and maybe SSD to SN770

[raw zephyr]

i'd just save a little more and go with 7800x3d right out of the bat

[digital cliff]

I have the 5600x and meant to get the 5800x3d later but nobody is selling it at a reasonable price so I'm just not upgrading still

[cursive summit]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/mdbMyg we made the budget

Just a few euros short

[cursive summit]

I doubt that's a good idea though

Zen 5 launch is pretty imminent

Whatever performance grade 8700X3D will be, that's prolly worth more to wait for

200 euro CPU for now will fit considering 7600 is like 5800X3D in performance

Which is still top grade

[ashen spindle]

Don’t think zen5x3d is coming till end of the year

[cursive summit]

And a 7600 will last way more than that

[digital cliff]

awww yiss new launches mean more people are dumping their 5800x3ds into the used market

I'm rubbing my hands together in anticipation

[cursive summit]

No issues with that build lads?

[ashen spindle]

Idk did you ask about self assembly or all in one shop to get it build

Shipping prices added in?

[cursive summit]

Doesn't PCPP account for shipping?

[ashen spindle]

Idk if they have prime

[cursive summit]

Something's wrong cause I tried adding it to the amazon basket and it missed something

Ah the SSD

[pale sigil]

Same

[cursive summit]

@gritty timber How's this build for you https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/mdbMyg

[gritty timber]

looks really good

[cursive summit]

It is really good

Like, if the shipping really fucks you, and you have a display you are happy with

Ditch the display, and if the difference after shipping costs is meaningful, upgrade to 7800X3D

Either way with or without X3D that's a really good build

Though I'd suggest getting a 1440p display

[gritty timber]

okay

thanks

[cursive summit]

That display though, while 240Hz is pretty damn good

It's a TN panel, and I am pretty damn against TN panels, though my information on them is like 7 years old

Current TNs might be alright, I dunno, they usually look shit

[smoky frigate]

using a TN panel from last year, they have come a long way

out of the dark, into the light

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyrdPtEHKzE

[gritty timber]

on amazon it says that this Product is not Available

[cursive summit]

Yeah it did say that

Get either an SN850X 2TB or Samsung 970 Evo Plus

Although nowadays Samsung is on thin ice on their quality

[gritty timber]

okay

[cursive summit]

https://nascompares.com/2023/02/15/failing-samsung-980-and-990-ssds-latest-update-offical-response-more/ https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/computers-it/2tb-990-pro-dying-faster-than-it-should-despite-new-firmware/m-p/8523681

Apparently though the issue is old, people still have problems

970 Evo Plus though seems unaffected, it's a really good SSD

I think I have one meself

[gritty timber]

i will get 970 Evo plus

[smoky frigate]

970 Evo plus is very solid

[sharp badger]

The wattage will not really make it handheld 😅

[cursive summit]

Solid

[cursive summit]

Which is why it's doa and should stay that way

[gritty timber]

im going to buy the PC first and after 1 month i will get the monitor

[cursive summit]

Nice, good

Actually if you get the display separately, it'd be wise to get a better one

That one is alright but there's some better options if you look around

https://vxtwitter.com/NVIDIAGeForce/status/1742938978238726150

I missed this one

They actually teased new cards

[frozen ingot]

RTX5090 retailing for $12,799

requires 1200W PSU minimum

[crimson wigeon]

Nah I think it's just the 4000 supers

[ashen spindle]

yeah just super refreshes

50 series next year

[cursive summit]

Well yes that's what we were talking about for a few months now

Good to see official.. confirmation?

Would have been surprising CES comes and goes with no SUPER cards lel

Especially since board partners have been wilding and leaking their cards

[reef patrol]

inb4 they are rebranding with some stupid ass AI name and focus.

Because nVidia is now an "AI company"

[cursive summit]

Friendship with RTX ended

Now ChatGPT is my new best friend

[reef patrol]

GPT 5000 series

[cursive summit]

Unironically I dig it

[reef patrol]

With our latest AI GPT cores, you can generate hundreds of thousands of iterations of questionable hentai based on prompts that would make even a dominatrix blush

https://tenor.com/view/money-donald-duck-cash-counting-gif-7263498

[cursive summit]

😳

[reef patrol]

Actually nVidia

[cursive summit]

Sounds like a personal attack

[reef patrol]

From the makers of the hardware that allowed Tesla to break world records in hit and runs on people of colour we bring you...

[cursive summit]

It'd be honestly really really funny if Nvidia completely diverged their software and hardware teams into AI

Abandoning the consumer card sector

So your DLSS, ray tracing, etc starts to get no updates

[reef patrol]

Imagine AMD rubbing their hands like crazy.

[cursive summit]

Suddenly AI dries up and AMD has caught on

[reef patrol]

Suddenly a suspicious amount of barrels of lube are delivered to AMD HQ

[cursive summit]

Mansen what's up with you being sussy

Hentai, lube

Been feeling good recently?

[reef patrol]

It's friday, I haven't slept enough - and the memes write themselves given the obvious "bad stuff that AI has brought" 😄

The sheer amounts of AI generated adult content (legal or otherwise) everywhere is just mindblowingly insane. And "professional" applications of AI haven't fared much better.

To think if nVidia went full AI, the world would probably implode and a new post-fallout society would erupt.

https://tenor.com/view/waterworld-gif-25634338

nVidia be like - Who needs game studios? Our GPUs will literally live compile games based on your prompts.

Goes back into CS cave

[ashen spindle]

thankfully silicon design takes years so when the ai bubble bursts we still have gpus coming that were started before

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/inchallah-gif-12817422

[cursive summit]

What's taking 50 series so long though

Does it only feel that way, or is Blackwell taking its dear time

[ashen spindle]

it's like a quarter longer than it took 40 series

[unborn epoch]

Gotta milk the 40 series

[ashen spindle]

not related to that at all

[cursive summit]

It'd be a bit of a bummer if Blackwell isn't a big jump in performance

Though Nvidia always manages to release good shit

[frozen ingot]

am already sick to death of all the AI hypejerking everywhere you look now

"look at our new laptop with AI!" you mean you put a shortcut to your crappy chatgpt copy on the desktop

[frozen ingot]

my decade old pos desktop has AI, checkmate advertisers

[cursive summit]

I gotta be honest though, I don't see why 99% of companies need an H100

Most companies just need at best an AI trained programmer to customize a model with embeddings

[reef patrol]

No question, only consoom

[cursive summit]

Why on earth would you want a custom model

To train it, etc

You can do that with embeddings and just calling an OpenAI API lol

Cheaper I guess? API calls can mount up in price

Doubt it's more effective

And definitely not something that 99.9% of companies need

[ashen spindle]

because if you put private information into public space your legal team should fire you two months prior

[cursive summit]

H100 is like, OpenAI, Microsoft, Google, DeepMind stuff

[mild dome]

You guys are all missing the bigger picture!

Investors!

Just make an announcement about AI, and they flock in droves!

[cursive summit]

Unironically how it works

[mild dome]

Like little headless chickens, but instead of feathers they got cash

[halcyon moss]

Hardware is cheap

[cursive summit]

Nvidia stock is ridiculously overpriced

I think I read that their stock initially skyrocketed cause of automotive

[halcyon moss]

What do you think a programmer costs

[cursive summit]

Nvidia's automotive self-driving is like, nowhere to be seen right?

Stock price keeps going up lol

NV is just hype stock

Intel though even though they earn more than AMD and Nvidia combined, is less than AMD's by like 50%

Why tf is Intel so, comparatively, underpriced

[mild dome]

I feel like the big problem with the economy is that rich investors have way too much money. It means that people who have no understanding on the market are leading the market. That the economy rather then serving the majority starts warping around a handful of investors who don't understand what consumers need.

[cursive summit]

Stocks is just rich man's crypto

[mild dome]

Intel got no AI cards

[ashen spindle]

You can’t compare stock prices by price for one stock…

They aren’t split into the amount of stocks

[remote harness]

This is remediated by the fact that smart investors make more money which they reinvest but yeah some people just get lucky

[mild dome]

Stocks at least have a reason to be valuable, but we're reaching a breaking point. The entire point of capitalism is that markets find customers and attend to their needs.
Investor capitalism is the market finding catch phrases to toss out at rich idiots like a parent jangling keys in front of toddler.
But instead the entire economy lives and dies on those rich idiots because they have more money then the customers the market should be serving

[mild dome]

It really isn't

[cursive summit]

Well their market cap is lower than both AMD's and Nvidias

Their volume is lower

Their price is way lower

[mild dome]

Like I am not saying investors should not exist, I am saying the system is legitimately broken when companies are able to balloon their stocks to thousands of times their normal value by the mere mention of AI

[cursive summit]

I genuinely don't see why is Intel so undervalued

[cursive summit]

Tbf I fail to see why would you want to go public as a company

I would always keep my company private, like Valve

[remote harness]

That's more of a human problem than a system problem

[mild dome]

https://tenor.com/view/money-money-money-money-dance-money-rain-funny-comedy-gif-11831260

[remote harness]

People are dumb and drawn to hype and buzzwords

No way to fix that besides getting someone who is allegedly smarter and immune to bad decisions from being in charge

Which has worse problems

[cursive summit]

Technically, you can just keep the company private but sell 49% of it and you'd still own the company or some shit

Idk that whole business management and economy thing isn't for me

[mild dome]

A systematic problem increases bad human behaviour
This leads to dumb decisions by idiots who were lucky to be born rich destroying the market for most of the population

[cursive summit]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-05/huawei-qingyun-l540-laptop-teardown-reveals-5nm-chip-by-tsmc-not-china-s-smic

[remote harness]

What's the systematic problem causing the issue in your view

[mild dome]

Problem you run into is that investors can still sue if they feel you aren't making them enough money. So even if you call the shots, if the other owners think you aren't operating in their self interests you're fucked.
Also I imagine the people who found companies don't want to stick around, and just sell it off and leave

[remote harness]

Imo the quality of the system causing the problem you're referring to is the fact that anyone with money can participate in the market

[mild dome]

Investors have too much money
Consumers do not have enough

This means the market aims at pleasing invesors rather then consumers

[remote harness]

The only way to fix that is to either remove economic rights or take away dumb people's money

[cursive summit]

Selling off a company is unironically a very viable way to get rich

[remote harness]

Both of which are bad

[mild dome]

Taxes

[cursive summit]

In theory selling off a company to make multimillions is really easy

1. Found a technology company
2. Launch some website for a service
3. Advertise tf out of it
4. When it gets popular, sell it for many millions

It works judging from success stories

[mild dome]

Like the whole point of taxes is to move money around.
What needs to be happening is taxes on the rich to move more money into the lower classes so that the market is more in control of the consumer, rather then the investors

[remote harness]

The practicality and systematic effects of taxing high income is a big conversation but keeping to the topic of the problem you mentioned - you're taxing smart and innovative investors as well

[mild dome]

Also we need more competition, but this is a lot harder to implement with tech like graphics cards. Due to the high costs in development, tight margins, and customers wanting the best

[mild dome]

Yes and

[remote harness]

The point of taxes isn't to redistribute wealth it's to fund public services...

Which includes social programs but that's one part

[mild dome]

Public services are also a way of redistributing wealth

E.g. low income housing
Allowing people who earn almost nothing a place to stay, and hopefully find room to improve their positions

Another thing to point out is this
CEOs receive very little in the way of taxes, in part because they are given assets that technically hold no value (shares), the taxation system allows them to manipulate their taxes to like 10%. With this in place they are quite motivated to always be seeking more money because they don't have a real cap to how much they earn. Screwing over his workers to give himself a pay bump.
On the other hand if a CEO is going to be taxed +90% on his earnings then he might feel more motivated to increase his status among the work force instead, and will pass the extra earnings to his workforce and to charities.

You can try to argue against this, but the US used to have taxes that were this high and the rich were seemingly more generous as a result.

[copper adder]

If ceo getting taxed 90% company won’t be based in the us anymore

No more taxes

[mild dome]

Then kick those companies out or something