🔌│tech

[stuck surge]

Yea

1 game made for amd gpus

Vs 100 other games

[zenith silo]

Cod wasn't made for amd gpus

[digital cliff]

always love watching these discussions

[stuck surge]

It is

Directly or not

[zenith silo]

It isn't but okay

[digital cliff]

takes me back to console wars days

[ashen spindle]

cod was made for amd gpus that's why nvidia had so many nvidia gpu+cod bundles

[zenith silo]

Yeah like what

Talk about hypercope

[stuck surge]

i mean there is no doscussion here

4090 wins in average of 100 games

By quite a bit

[zenith silo]

I never said otherwise, I was just calling out your false statements

[ashen spindle]

wins on average is vastly different from best any performance

[zenith silo]

4090 is the most powerful card sure

7900xtx can still outperform on many games

[iron wave]

I'm a little sad that the 4090 can't do Portal RTX at a locked 60.

[stuck surge]

Well

At 4k

?

dont remember how demanding it was

[iron wave]

1920x1080 it drops frames and stutters.

[stuck surge]

Oh yea

[zenith silo]

Jesus Christ how demanding is portal with Ray tracing????

[iron wave]

It's full RT so quite a lot.

[stuck surge]

Game uses more than few samples.moment

[iron wave]

And of course the latter chambers are worse about it because they are bigger and more detailed.

It's still wild that Nvidia said it was an 8k card.

[stuck surge]

i mean

It can do 8k

[placid elk]

didnt they claim the 3090 was an 8k card

[stuck surge]

In playable framerate

but 8k monitors are near non existent so

[iron wave]

Oh dang it was the 3090?

[zenith silo]

20fps

[iron wave]

That's even more stupid than I remembered.

[stuck surge]

they prob claim it because it has enougj memory throughpout

8k gets rekt hard if you dont have good enough memory

[latent mural]

i remember that being a talking point for dooternal specifically, not sure about all games

[iron wave]

Dooternal?

[latent mural]

doom eternal

[iron wave]

Such a joke.

[pale sigil]

I scratched it again xd

[placid elk]

WTF is that

[pale sigil]

For my Crocs 😂

To replace the broken pivot

[ashen spindle]

never played any cod or cared much about it

but interresting

yeah argument doesnt make sense and to look at future purchasing decisions when the next gen is still like 2 years away makes little sense

you dont reach 60fps in 4k and rt high in control

idk what they tested but that is nowhere close to real

I tried RT in the entrance lobby and that looked okayish but even on 2k Uw low/middle RT put it below 90fp[s already

so higher resolution and more RT demand is never hitting 60 there lol

[stuck surge]

Im waiting for 4k qd oled monitors to try hdr

Doesnt tw3 have some kind of rt dont remember

Total war warhammer

i mean its good for what its doing

[umbral heron]

Isn't WH3 still DX11?

[stuck surge]

Who rivals their engine for tw like games

Nobody

who tf is eugen

[reef patrol]

Both

But apparently it was an afterthought and doesn't work well - Doesn't improve things.

[stuck surge]

im not interested that much in grand strategy kind of rts

[full radish]

The total war games can use DX12 but no improvements

[umbral heron]

So basic DX12 implementation on top of DX11 it seems... yeah, DXR on this monstrosity would be hard to do

[full radish]

I have warhammer 2 as my second most played game of Steam forever

[stuck surge]

Tw games are weird

[full radish]

As someone who enjoys the rts aspect of mostly battles and no economy/resources like aoe or civ

[stuck surge]

Gets boring overtime

[umbral heron]

My friend plays lots of Total War games, I couldn't get around it somehow

[stuck surge]

probably

@prisma crag do you have specifc eugen game in mind

Or all of them

never heard of them

[full radish]

the graphics with ReShade are pretty good, but the battles with thousands bottlenecks even the fastests CPU

[umbral heron]

Apart from models jumping suddenly to new LOD - holy crap, it looks amazing

[stuck surge]

Spring project is interesting but idk if any really good game was made on it

[halcyon moss]

Bar is excellent

[stuck surge]

Ehhh

[umbral heron]

owo?

[stuck surge]

Sc2 still stays as king

Nobody has beat this engine

???

how is wc3 related

Well idc if you just hate the engine because blizzard just say it

i mean it is what it is

their company falling apart doesnt change the facts

Oh right eugen made wargame

I dont know if their games can be directly compared to tw

its really not tw style rts

cant really say much from technical standpoint about their engine, i was never interested in it

Bar is really cool game but its still very indie

Its not like it just beat supreme commander

[ashen spindle]

https://gpuopen.com/learn/occupancy-explained/

[stuck surge]

yea

it runs faster

bar just feels very unrefined

Im waiting for sanctuary

[astral haven]

Which one isn't magnesium bonded

[halcyon moss]

Tbh, the music included is already quite good

[stuck surge]

Yea bar music is good

although not across the board

[cursive summit]

Too bad the games are incredibly boring

Tried like 3 of their games already of different eras, none were interesting, and I like strategy

[rough osprey]

i love how my apple TV's volume control just bugs out sometimes

and i get a "dynamic" island bc of that

until i restart the device

[cursive summit]

Don't buy apple...

[pale sigil]

Unless it's an iPad

[cursive summit]

Even then

Samsung tablets > Apple

[fickle ore]

Best buy is apple stock :3

[cursive summit]

Tbf prolly the only thing I would buy from Apple

[pale sigil]

Nope

Xiaomi Tab > Samsung

[fickle ore]

indeed lol

[cursive summit]

Wrong is wrong but it's Pleasant so wrong is usual

[pale sigil]

MIUI/Hyper OS is leagues ahead of Samsung Tab os it's bizarre.

[halcyon moss]

How

[cursive summit]

It's not lol

Pretty sure my Poco runs some type of MiUI

[pale sigil]

It just does almost everything better

[cursive summit]

It does not

If anything I'd rather use Galaxy's OS

MiUI just works, nothing good about it

[pale sigil]

Tbf phone version is different to tab

It does everything I disliked Samsung for not doing tbf

But I don't mean Samsung is inherently bad

I guess

[misty saffron]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-12-28/xiaomi-launches-first-su7-ev-with-ambition-to-be-china-s-porsche-or-tesla

why have they made a taycan

[frozen ingot]

looks like a GTA vehicle design

take some distinguishing brand cues from the main one you're copying and throw in some competitor lines here and there for that uncanny valley result

[reef patrol]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one thinking that.

[digital cliff]

say it with me now

chinese certainly gonna chinese

[woven laurel]

chabuduo

[sharp badger]

Ordered myself a pair of Audeze Maxwell now will be interesting to try out the Planar drivers

[cursive summit]

I heard it's a bit underwhelming

[sharp badger]

Maybe will have to see 👀

Looked at the 300h Hyperx cloud alpha wireless too

[cursive summit]

What about Focal Bathys?

[sharp badger]

Well was thinking of buying them too but 30hrs vs 80hrs battery life so the Audezes won there

Also these headphones will mainly be used at the PC

I've got Edifier X3, 1More ComfoBuds Pro, 1More Sonoflow & Moondrop Chu II as the ''portable'' alternatives as of now

[astral haven]

seems like they are going for much longer range
and the taycan has a transmission for some reason, so skipping that should make the car alot cheaper even with a bigger battery, as well as more reliable

and an lfp option to be super cheap

actual details about the car https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaomi-SU7-electric-car-specs-previewed-with-500-mile-range-version-at-a-top-price-and-2024-release-date.787729.0.html

[reef patrol]

Reddit genuinely just ruined their own website.

New UI on my phone - the reply option is now hidden in a drop-down menu.

How did this get greenlight. Genuinely curious.

[crisp granite]

QC is optional

[astral haven]

there are starting to be new apps that dont rely on the official api, i dont use reddit so idk if they are more useable but you might want to check them out

[reef patrol]

We're reaching that point. I don't want to use Reddit as is, but this is just dumb 😄

[astral haven]

ikr

[edgy bramble]

I’m new here I’ve just started purchasing gaming equipment can anybody link me or have any recommendations I’m trying to build a pc budget is 1400

[astral haven]

its a shame that forums have mostly died off and been replaced by subreddits but thats the world we liv in

[halcyon moss]

Most forums were a huge security hazard though

[astral haven]

find a build on pcpartpicker that you like and make edits that you want, then post for critique

[edgy bramble]

Ok bet

[astral haven]

for anyone who cares there was always ways to be safe

[vagrant pagoda]

Don't reuse passwords and forums are safe lol

[astral haven]

and dont fill out all the info they ask for lel

[vagrant pagoda]

What you're saying not to put my DOB, address and pet name into my forum profile?

[astral haven]

😉

[vagrant pagoda]

All you gotta do now is put you phone number in to for sale post and have you email there too

And wonder why you can't log into your bank account

[edgy bramble]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RMgG28 This is what I have made as of now open to all critiquing not trying to go above $1400

[umbral heron]

Looks aite
Check if you can find 7800X3D on discount, would be nice and most likely in $1400

[astral haven]

Oh yea you should wait for CES for the "Super" launch

depending on which type of game you either want to upgrade the cpu or the gpu to hit the price

although some prices are missing, are those parts you already have?

[vagrant pagoda]

I'm hoping for a x670 refresh next year

I really don't want to buy MSI, but it's the only baord that has all the shit I want

[astral haven]

lucky you, there arent any boards that have all that I want 😦

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean like what's offered

Bring me back to am2/am3 amd

32 lanes

[astral haven]

🤷 my z390 had 36 lanes excluding m.2

[vagrant pagoda]

Thought z390 had 28?

My 890fx has 42 I think

[edgy bramble]

I don’t have them but they are in my cart on Amazon the two prices that were missing are at 178 extra dollars to my total

[vagrant pagoda]

I should fire up my extreme some time

Did lucid mulitgpu ever get usable?

[astral haven]

my board does dual x16 or quad x8 and has a supplemental x4, as well as 3 addition x4 for nvme, 2 m.2 1 oculink

[vagrant pagoda]

It's got a switch then?

[astral haven]

2

1 in the chipset 1 dedicated

[vagrant pagoda]

Then my 890 has 48 with the switch

[astral haven]

Yea but you don't have to go back 10 years for it lel

And you also don't have to go back to the northbridge era

And ive got Gen 3

[umbral heron]

Livemixer looks sick though

[gusty kiln]

also 7700XT instead of 7800XT for only like 50 more

does kingston use sk hynix A die?

[ashen spindle]

ehh doesnt matter, any 6000 kit is going to be good enough, whatever is cheap/works for the desire look

[gusty kiln]

6000Cl32 is like the safest

common on QVL lists

6000CL30 is where things get sketch

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-b650e-taichi-lite/p/N82E16813162135

Tachi Lite for 255

insane deal

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah I just wish we had that kind of connectivity

Gen 5 to 4 swtich in the board would be great

[wooden geode]

I use a 7950x3d and have nothing but issues with ram

I dont want to go AMD again from this trauma

[gusty kiln]

always check the QVL if you don't want any headaches

[inner hound]

what should I upgrade next I have a budget of 330$ but idk if I should upgrade cpu or gpu

[gusty kiln]

5800X3D, then save for gpu

[inner hound]

I got some people saying to get the gpu first so why the cpu and not gpu

I just wanna know

[gusty kiln]

being CPU bottlenecked is worst than being GPU bottlenecked, at least IMO

[inner hound]

ah ok

[gusty kiln]

and since you are at 1080p, you'll be more cpu bottleneck, especially in esport games

[inner hound]

ok

[astral haven]

More importantly, it depends on the games you play

[cursive summit]

But when Windows 11 does it with the right click context menu, it's not a problem

The double standards sure are strong

[inner hound]

I play mostly like fn and valorant and sometimes fifa so not really heavy graphic games

[steady sail]

i love my pc every game runs fine cod mw23 nah

[astral haven]

yea so cpu is more important

you could even get a 5600x3d if you can find one

[hallow hemlock]

how do you show all your specs like that?

[inner hound]

speccy

its on microsoft store

[zenith silo]

"fine"

cs at 80fps is cursed

Also cods fps is super inconsistent

Ill hover around 300fps, and all of a sudden after restarting my game im getting 100+ frames less

[steady sail]

oh im on a stable 9 fps all the time

[gilded nimbus]

what specs are u on

[steady sail]

i have a kinda big bottleneck by my CPU

[steady sail]

a bottleneck

[zenith silo]

My buddy has a 2700x and gets stable 80+ fps is on mw3

You shouldnt be getting THAT low or fps I don't think

[steady sail]

oh yes

i have low fps

[steady sail]

My fps is at a stable 6 on the main menu so idk what i fucked up or what happened

[astral haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2N1LHCUiOs
uh uo

tldr rivian never ran epa on the most efficient r1t 135kwh battery and just used the results from the r1s
That made the 150kwh r1t look like a bigger upgrade than it really was

they advertise large vs max being 352 vs 410 EPA
Out of spec got 22.3 miles of difference between the two when he ran them

[fair gull]

tldw*

[astral haven]

eh they have captions but yea thats also the tldw

[pale sigil]

r00d

my pihole is not having fun being pwoered

Anyone with one think im fine to use my 15w samsung plug for my pi4?

[astral haven]

yea thats the correct wattage

do you have any special hats on the pi or usb devices?

[pale sigil]

i just connected my 3d printer to it

[astral haven]

thats strange

[pale sigil]

i also cannot access the printer but i suspect its due to permissions in docker

[astral haven]

does the error go away if you unplug the printer?
im bad at reading timestamps but it seems like its relatively frequent

[pale sigil]

good question

no

at least not so far

[astral haven]

ch341?
thats a spi reprogrammer...
is that the chip used for talking with your printer?

[pale sigil]

no idea

literally no idea, i just plugged it in.

followed a guide and octoprint no connect

[astral haven]

hmm
has the error happened again?

now that a few minutes have passed

[pale sigil]

ok the voltage prob came back

sorry for the delayed response

[astral haven]

without printer?

[pale sigil]

yes

[astral haven]

and you have no other devices attached?

[pale sigil]

tbh its using my NAS USB port xD xD

so im not surpriseds

and a fan

[astral haven]

-_-

[pale sigil]

HEY

it worked fine till i noticed.

[astral haven]

computer usb ports are low power yea

and hey if it works its all good

[pale sigil]

ran pihole for a year this way xD xD xD

but tbh

[astral haven]

lol nice

[pale sigil]

maybe with this printer stuff not so much?

ill look into it tomoz, its to late atm.

i know if i do i wont sleep.

[empty wren]

Okay... https://www.tomshardware.com/monitors/linux-is-the-only-os-to-support-diagonal-pc-monitor-mode-dev-champions-the-case-for-22-degree-rotation-computing

[craggy elk]

is the 27g1s a good monitor?

[woven laurel]

link?

[empty wren]

Maybe telepathy will happen next year🤷‍♂️

[gusty kiln]

wish there were more public data other than rting and HWU videos for monitors

[empty wren]

Maybe once the big YouTubers finish fiddling around their testing gear

[gusty kiln]

KEK-TT

or undeniable best in price class

speaking of monitors, I wish the 4K 240hz that can also do 1080p 480hz was 27"

1080p on 27" is on the edge of unsuable

[empty wren]

Just add black tape to it and use Nvidia control panel

[gusty kiln]

but fine for esport gaymers

[gusty kiln]

doesn't solve the issue of shit PPI

1080p on 32" is doodoo

only works as a tv from far away

[empty wren]

μLED will solve but that is a long time away

[gusty kiln]

https://videocardz.com/newz/lg-reveals-4k-32-inch-oled-monitor-with-dual-hz-feature-1080p-480hz-and-4k-240hz-modes

was posted before, but this is the monitor I want

would be perfect if it was 27"

[empty wren]

In times like this

If only rollable displays were common

Though I do fail to see how the dual hz feature is innovative

[gusty kiln]

4k for AAA games, 1080p for esport

but 1080 is 480hz

which is nice

just more options with your monitor, that's all

[empty wren]

I just mean on my old monitor if I was below 1080p it had a 75hz option now if I was above it said it could only do 60

[gusty kiln]

yeah you could filddle with custom res

but 4k to 1080 is perfect pixel scaling

[edgy bramble]

Yo check messages

[reef patrol]

Thanks Linus. You summed up why I don't need to watch a 30 minute video in a thumbnail for once.

https://discord.gg/9jEYbgY7?event=1185203118263238687
The keyboard reveal is part of today's stream.

[fair gull]

what tkl

[frozen ingot]

keep coping

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[rocky sphinx]

I have a ryzen 5 5600g and im so confused wether to choose a 3060 or a 6700 xt 😞

[rough osprey]

do you prefer red or green

[rocky sphinx]

the 6700xt is the cheaper option and it also goes well with my amd cpu but at the same time im scared about the power comsuption and its crashes and stuff

[rocky sphinx]

what if i prefer purple

[rough osprey]

no option for that :/

[raw zephyr]

never had the 7900xtx crash on me

[rocky sphinx]

also apparently amd gpu's doesnt go well with performance mode on fortnite but im not too sure about that

[umbral heron]

My 6700XT never crashed on me neither

[rocky sphinx]

i saw a linus video recently where him and his team were talking about their amd only challenge and they said they crashed a ton and stuff and it kinda scared me

[ashen spindle]

My 4090 crashed more than my 6800 did

[rocky sphinx]

maybe it was just a standoff event for them

[zenith silo]

My 6900xt has been literally flawless since I got it

[digital cliff]

so basically you're just making assumptions based on what someone said in one video, when millions of users are using amd shit just fine

[rocky sphinx]

yeah basically

[digital cliff]

yeah idk, doesn't seem all that important to me

[strong sundial]

linus tech tips is already untrustworthy to me, considering the videos gamers nexus put out when that whole fiasco happened
frankly i'd at least get a third opinion

[digital cliff]

can vouch for my 5600 + 6900xt setup as well, only time it crashed is when I did AI shit on the card and basically overpowered it lol

but that's on me

[strong sundial]

lmao nice

[rocky sphinx]

thanks for all the help guys honestly it made me not scared anymore about amd gpus

i already knew they were better performance for less price but i was scared about any glitches

upgrading to a 7 year old gpu wiht 4gb of vram to a 6700xt will feel so strange

[strong sundial]

only thing you should be worried about is fortnite "not working".. frankly i'd just move to a console if all i wanted to play was fn

[ashen spindle]

It was an issue for those gpus but that’s in the past, both vendors are more or less the same for stability for normal use nowadays

[raw zephyr]

the only real difference for me was h264 encoder, for streaming, but it doesn't really matter as 2024 has to be the year of av1 :)

but you are comparing to nvenc which you might as well call black magic at this point

[rough osprey]

mine exploded and burned down my house

[stuck surge]

Amd tends to release unstable drivers

to this day

Apparently nvidia also did recently

So well

[ashen spindle]

Neither one is perfect

[stuck surge]

Cpus are steady straight line

[ashen spindle]

Hahahaha if only

[stuck surge]

besides am5 issues

💀

[stuck surge]

Just dont buy new platforms

[raw zephyr]

the only issue i have with am5 is the 30+ seconds boot, feels like 10+ years ago

[ashen spindle]

If only it was only new platforms xD

[stuck surge]

am5 had other issues

Like exploding cpus

Ram speed limit

[raw zephyr]

well my cpu hasn't exploded and i run 1:1 6200 cl30 on my 7800x3d

[stuck surge]

ihs on it sucks

[ashen spindle]

Ram speed limit is only an issue for competitive overclockers

[stuck surge]

not efficient

[ashen spindle]

At least it works unlike the cpus bending the 12th gen socket xD

[stuck surge]

Yea not everyone

For some did

[zenith silo]

Pretty sure this was an Asus mobo issue though no?

[stuck surge]

Dont rember if it was only 1 manuf

[raw zephyr]

doesn't have to be efficient, you can almost cool the cpu by blowing at it yourself

🤷‍♂️

[ashen spindle]

Asus and one other vendor set vcore way too high yes

[zenith silo]

I thought that was an Asus mobo specific thing that the 7800x3d was popping

[ashen spindle]

Mostly Asus I think msi might have been the other one

[zenith silo]

Has it been resolved since?

[ashen spindle]

Oh yeah

[zenith silo]

Good my buddy just picked up msi mobo with 7800x3d

[pale sigil]

https://vxtwitter.com/Xiaomi/status/1740223617546514589?t=ONL-i07NYEl9gzgeItYyag&s=19

Xd

[halcyon moss]

It looks like a model 3 mixed with a taycan

[zenith silo]

I don't like it, but it looks better than a Tesla?

[zenith silo]

Also don't these guys make phones?????

[halcyon moss]

they make lots

[reef patrol]

So?

[halcyon moss]

volkswagen makes sausages ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[old marlin]

mainly for their own canteen

[cursive summit]

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/28/apple-silicon-mac-gaming-interview/

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

Because the contract says Tim will kill him afterwards

[pale sigil]

Creality is sending me a new plate out for free as I scratched the fuck out of mine when leveling. Awesome.

[astral haven]

what a beautiful camera array!

https://www.gsmarena.com/oppo_find_x7_ultra-12752.php

[gaunt drum]

Any1 else get the ULX?

[halcyon moss]

What's the software support?

[gusty kiln]

on what?

also somewhat glad the 80HE layout isn't my ideal 75% layout, lessen the FOMO

[astral haven]

same

oh wait no i dont like 75% i like 95%

[gusty kiln]

https://www.kfamarketplace.com/media/media/PXL_20230805_212836617.MP1.jpg

something like this is my ideal

obviously will have the right shift issue

[halcyon moss]

What is the software support?

[astral haven]

oh like years?
unknown, its not released yet, announcement jan 8th

previous ver has 4y os 5y security

[edgy bramble]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tfHwDZ I updated with the recomendations I seen would anybody change anything on here if so let me know tryna get everything ordered later today

[ashen spindle]

looks fine at first glance, make sure the ram kit is one the QVL list for the board so you dont deal with issues there

[river burrow]

this is not great, because so easy to misclick the right column keys. also there must be a Del key, and some empty from it below (and to the left, between enter)

i don't get it, how keyboards without Del key exist, prioritizing End before Del? you have arrow key if you need to go 1 space to the right, it's rarely bigger than 1 space to the right.
Del is just so useful for many things, like deleting many stuff in many OS, programs and places, or when you type, and you accidentally click a bit too far to the left (with mouse or something), you can delete fast with del, aso.

[gusty kiln]

if you can spare another $70, a sapphire 7800XT would be ideal, because after that it's a huge price jump to a 4070ti or 7900xt

7800xt/4070 is like the cutoff for reasonable GPU

[astral haven]

are you sure you cant wait for january 18th for all the new gpus to release?
the older gpus should get cheaper at that point

[gusty kiln]

that too

[shadow minnow]

Ngl I struggle to comprehend how did mice like razer death adder v3 pro become so expensive it’s not like the components there are ton of or are super rare or advanced

Like Logitech g703 hero already seemed expensive and now it’s twice - thrice price

[astral haven]

?

theyve added wireless chips, batteries, and have made them lighter

[gusty kiln]

lots of R&D to make it lighter without crumbling under your hand

[astral haven]

making stuff feel sturdy while still being lightweight is not easy or cheap

[gusty kiln]

there are plenty of chinese wireless mouse for cheapo prices, but basically no aftermarket support

[astral haven]

and the cheapo chinese arent that much less actually durable

they just feel less premium even tho they probably wont break either

[gusty kiln]

it's usually the software and polling stability (at 4k) that suffers

[astral haven]

nah

just the finish of the plastic

and razer software is actually a trojan so price doesnt guarantee software quality

[gusty kiln]

at least you can uninstall now after

[astral haven]

no you cant

[gusty kiln]

at least on the expensive mice

idk some people get the razer pop up and some people don't

[astral haven]

you can prevent it from popping back up on one pc

[gusty kiln]

whenever they plug in a razer mouse

[astral haven]

but as soon as you plug it into a new pc itll pop up

[gusty kiln]

either way I hope Finalmouse pushes people to adopt web based settings

[astral haven]

i really wish that logitech would release their trackpad as a separate product instead of making you buy a bundle

ive been loving the freedom of touchscreens and touchpads

[edgy bramble]

Im not in the biggest rush I was just trying sort things out just in case things run out will waiting get me a much better build?

[astral haven]

"things running out" is pretty infrequent

and define "much better"

[gusty kiln]

man trying to convert m3u for plex is a pain

[pale sigil]

Oh boy I need to configure more xd

[edgy bramble]

Well most of these piece in my cart all say 3 or less left in stock and they weren’t in stock on the other sites I clicked on and by much better am I able to go higher then the 7700xt Gpu with all the price drops or is it more so leaned to just getting a better deal on the piece I have

[astral haven]

you should be able to get 10-20% faster gpu, potentially more

[shadow minnow]

Like Logitech g703 hero already seemed expensive and now it’s twice - thrice price.
And Logitech had all this but lighter which I don’t see that much money cost on

Though I guess r&d is fair still a crazy difference between the two

[astral haven]

old g703 was wired, new one is wireless

[shadow minnow]

I mean the new one

[astral haven]

which is wireless only

[shadow minnow]

I got it pretty cheap back then

[shadow minnow]

Nope it’s both

[astral haven]

there is no wired only version

only one that has wireless

[shadow minnow]

Oh yeah I meant that you can use it wired my bad

[astral haven]

still requires the chips for wireless

and $100 is only $20 higher than the previous

oh wait no it was also $100

[shadow minnow]

Tbf looks like it went back up in price

It was down to 60€ at one point

But it’s 80€ now

Razer one is like 140€

160 acc €

[astral haven]

https://press.razer.com/product-news/razer-unveils-the-razer-lancehead-wireless-gaming-mouse/

oh no 10 euro more now that the euro has fallen what 10% relative to the dollar in the same amount of time

[reef patrol]

[astral haven]

5th gen is alot of things

and the lancehead predates 5th gen cellular iirc

Yea this was to demonstrate that mice haven't changed prices

[fair gull]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/O1sMWwUZgco the dream of what skills i wanna achieve

[reef patrol]

That pin mount device is kind of amazing.

[digital cliff]

this is really awesome, no idea stuff like this existed

[thorny mirage]

Data recovery very cool

I give it a thumbs up 👍

[rocky sphinx]

https://youtu.be/Cfh5r0mAq90?si=LEl5coE5IqtDy7Cc

It's really interesting how developpers focus on only nvidia optimisation for pc but by focusing on the ps5 optimisation they accidentally help amd gpus

[ashen spindle]

not the case and everytime I checked out that guys channel it was just full of wrong information so im not even bothering

[rocky sphinx]

Its a really clickbait title but he only talks about the last of us

[ashen spindle]

the game where the 4070 beats even the 6800? mhm

[rocky sphinx]

According to that guy it also beats the 6800

[ashen spindle]

according to literally anyone else it doesnt

wait the 6700 beats the 6800?

that makes no sense

[rocky sphinx]

His theory about that is because the ps5's gpu is really similar to the 6700 nonxt its more optimized

Appatently

Or however it could work

[ashen spindle]

oh god this is even worse than I thought

dear god no that's not how gpus work

if you have a card that has more resources than what you "optimize" for you dont suddenly get worse performance

nono you dont understand, according to that guy the 6700 beats the 6800

yknow the 11 tflop gpu beating the 16tflop gpu of the same generation

like that obviously indicates a driver issue or faulty pc or something

like if this is your first ever benchmark maybe you think you find something and without knowing anything it makes sense

but how can you keep false shit like this up and not even look into it yourself dear god

[astral haven]

ez pz
Step 1: yeet your code of ethics
Step 2: call anyone who says anything a shill
Step 3: plug your ears

[crisp granite]

that...um

as long as it is a decent form factor

I'm sick of the absurdly massive cards from AiBs nowadays

ok, grandpa
might be time for you to head back to the home

exciting

oh wtf that's a little over a week from now

idk why but I always envision tech events being a lot further away than they actually are

hopefully the 4080 super has enough of an uplift for the money to justify it
because I would like a new GPU

actually

regarding the super cards

any bump to the amount of VRAM or just core counts?

I really do not want to feel I have to spring for a 4090 to get more than 16gb

also felt skinned when I bought my 3070, had I known the 3060 was coming with 12gb, probably would have got that instead tbh

although, also kicking myself for not getting the 3080 when I could have

the GPU ain't the problem
it's the damn tiny 8gb of VRAM

RE4R absolutely slurps that away even at 1080p

[warm schooner]

[crisp granite]

best part
I probably will forget about it, because the soonest I'll really be able to sink time into games will be mid to late april

might be able to scoop the card I want at a reasonable price then idk

either that or...well
we'll see what next gen leaks are

I can wait

[halcyon moss]

https://www.tomshardware.com/monitors/linux-is-the-only-os-to-support-diagonal-pc-monitor-mode-dev-champions-the-case-for-22-degree-rotation-computing

Wat

[crisp granite]

old news

pretty sure it was posted in meme rage a week ago or so

where it belongs

the proper way is always one monitor in standard orientation, and another off to the left in vertical orientation

[halcyon moss]

Why the fuck would I be in menerage

I have it hidden

[crisp granite]

why the fuck would you start your day with expletives

it's mostly a dumping ground nowadays

[severe phoenix]

https://www.tomshardware.com/monitors/linux-is-the-only-os-to-support-diagonal-pc-monitor-mode-dev-champions-the-case-for-22-degree-rotation-computing

[crisp granite]

yo guys so I saw this weird ass article on Tom's Hardware
weird ass neckbeard devs xD
https://www.tomshardware.com/monitors/linux-is-the-only-os-to-support-diagonal-pc-monitor-mode-dev-champions-the-case-for-22-degree-rotation-computing

[final flame]

Finally almost done

Swapped cases and coolers

Going to install another lightstrip as it gets a little too dark when you put the glass on

[fickle dirge]

fyee i fw the black theme

[final flame]

ye

went for a clean aesthetic without any rgb fans

I want to cover up the red accents on the gpu with some tape

looks far better irl than in the picture

temps are actually stable with this cooler lol
the nzxt kraken I had before was hitting 55c at idle

[severe phoenix]

That catboy figure is gonna cause the GPU to warp

😛

[final flame]

I have a brace on it now ;)

I really need to stop building in small cases, this thing was tight, especially that gpu fit and cpu power cable

[final flame]

not bad

60c highest on cpu and 60c highest on gpu

on max settings with raytracing and no dlss

gonna let this go for like 15 min

So far im really happy with this, maxing out at 62c and is hovering at 60c

[final flame]

60c hover

this is all with the side panels off, I'll do the tests again with them on later

[reef patrol]

Do it with prime running.

[final flame]

heh later

[severe phoenix]

Furmark

Fitting

[thick elk]

furmark isn't even the heaviest test from my experience, at least not on my 7900xt

[severe phoenix]

No lol

They stopped doing that because Furmark puts a load onto the GPU it will never experience in use, and has actually shown to be able to damage graphics cards.

Most notable reviewers and any decent hobbyist stopped using it some time ago when this was revealed

And?

So because Powercolor does, everyone does?

[ashen spindle]

If anything furmark is less stressful than other things because it’s known what it does and drivers are aware of it so you don’t fry your gpu with it, so testing with it is still perfectly safe

[severe phoenix]

You do know running Furmark can void warranties

Well of course, EULAS never get upheld

Just saying

[ashen spindle]

It’s not furmark alone it’s if you run furmark or any other stresstest and disable safety protections of the cards

And even then less enforceable than xmp voiding it xD

[reef patrol]

Yeah uh... no.

[fair gull]

what

furmark voids warranties? is this some new american bs

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/lenin-must-crush-capitalism-undead-communist-communism-gif-20636305

[ashen spindle]

No it’s Nvidia trying to stop people by covering their own asses

[fair gull]

ok gl defending that in any EU court

[ashen spindle]

Not something they even ask for it’s mostly so it says somewhere that you shouldn’t kill your gpu on purpose by removing safety limits

[fair gull]

but removing limits isnt running furmark

[ashen spindle]

Yes that’s why I said it’s not about furmark it’s about running furmark or others AND removing safety

[fair gull]

even the limits i wouldnt know how its enforcable unless those limits are desoldered/soldered around

[ashen spindle]

Yes hence it’s not something really enforced just to stop people doing dumb shit and them not being liable for more than normal warranty if it breaks

[old marlin]

"you know opening the main menu in the diablo 4 beta voids your warranty"

we prob have seen more cards die to that screen than to furmark in the past 2 years

[reef patrol]

Fans ramp up, you're worried

[old marlin]

1800 fps

https://tenor.com/view/uni-cat-1000-yard-stare-espresso-gif-5540644428338043927

[reef patrol]

Blizzard truly are the kings of killing GPUs. First Starcraft 2's main menu, then Diablo.

[old marlin]

setting an fps cap at like idk

500

would have been enough

[final flame]

Never have had any issues with furmark, with any stress test you will have a chance of damaging your equipment, as long as you use common sense you realistically wont damage anything easily

[reef patrol]

If your hardware breaks from using Furmark, your hardware is at fault

[ashen spindle]

fur mark used to be bad now drivers recognize the pattern so it specifically wont damage it unless already faulty

[old marlin]

Basically yea

I mean if you just wanna test peak temps it ain't bad still?

[thick elk]

Gpu's are also generally more power limited

[old marlin]

In furmark specifically?

[thick elk]

In general, I would say

[old marlin]

Eh

Wouldn't say that

It's just that nvidia limits adding more usually

[thick elk]

Or at least comparing my hd7950 with my rx 7900xt

also my gtx 1080 was also mostly limited by frequency limits I think, actually didn't bother much with that one.

[old marlin]

My 1080 was just fucked

Didn't even manage to run the same +100 almost anyone got

[thick elk]

I will also add that the 7900xt does not scale well with power either way. Undervolt + 261w barely differes from the same undervolt with 290w

[old marlin]

[ashen spindle]

well, it does scale just on a fucked curve

like you can make it sip insane amounts of power on air even

[old marlin]

I mean the 4090 is the same

[thick elk]

I will say my testing was limited, and the power limit on linux is sort of bugged and doesn't want to go above 290w or so. But the performance increase seems to not be that great going up.

Especially compared to the golden era of overclocking 7950 which could outperform the ghz edition 7950 by overclocking.

[old marlin]

450W vs 600W isn't that impressive of a difference

[ashen spindle]

4090 is different as you can scale it down to use like nearly half the power for same performance

[old marlin]

Ye

[ashen spindle]

oc performance being gone is good for average consumers tbh since most would never touch that

[old marlin]

Basically

Also most cards are running close to reasonable limit or above already anyways

[thick elk]

Definitely is a good thing. Though I do mis the day of having some insane performance gains.

Undervolting is still a worthwile thing to do most of the time.

[fair gull]

wonder who makes the better gpu next year

[halcyon moss]

Nvidia.
Which is the more affordable one? Prob amd

[thick elk]

AMD is probably not competing at the high end as the rumors are going.

[fair gull]

idk the differences i saw between 7900xtx and 4090 wasnt all that big at 4k

[halcyon moss]

High end is too much money amyway

[reef patrol]

Does it matter? Gotta get that DLSS for all of those delicious fake frames.

[fair gull]

na

i wont do dlss and rtx anyway

i just game at 5120x1440

[thick elk]

My biggest hope for AMD is that they make more strides in closing the software gap. Even if open-source is basically forcing them to play catch-up I do respect it. They just really need a beter temporal scaler than fsr2.

[old marlin]

Dlss was a mistake💀

[halcyon moss]

Can you actually see the difference between dlss and fsr? When playing a game?

[thick elk]

Also on the matter of rt, maybe they can make some software libraries that leverage their gpu's relative strenghts. lots of compute + rt on top.

I can see the difference between fsr2 and xess at least.

[fair gull]

like even though i bought a 2080ti i never used rtx

i just dont dig those new age tech

[thick elk]

on an amd gpu xess can have a definite improvement.

[old marlin]

Comparing equally well done implementations, no, not really, can deffo see the difference to native tho

[thick elk]

Of course implementation also matters a lot and suitability in games, some games just fail bigtime with FSR2 which really doesn't help.

[old marlin]

Can't blame you, i don't play many games that use it either

[halcyon moss]

Unless they are ghosting, they are about equal

[old marlin]

And the only reason to turn it on in the few is if the regular lighting options are just extra bad

[fair gull]

all i wanna do is play well at 60 and maybe 120fps

[thick elk]

Dying light 2 was a game with a pretty stinky fsr2 implementation. Particles caused quite annoying fizzle, cutscenes broke pretty badly, overal not great.

[old marlin]

Yea at the res you named you can't ask for much more

I want 3440x1440 120+ fps

[thick elk]

I will add that my prime use was on a steam deck, so in terms of ress not great, just the least bad option.

On 1440p also not great. On 4k it's better but don't have a 4k screen right now.

[fair gull]

i mean my 2080ti also does 60-120 in most games i play

just fearful with some of the newer games and specs they announced

[old marlin]

On that screen size the artifacts are a lot more forgiveable

[fair gull]

especially ff16 at some point

[thick elk]

Of course but some game's artifact will also be pretty large so it compensates.

Dying light 2 was a prime example of fsr2 being completely busted and xess being much better.

[fair gull]

wonder if i should just get a 7900xtx but i bet my butt my 9700k isnt up to snuff for that

[thick elk]

should still be an improvement, my 8700k performed okay in most games with a 7900xt at least

I did upgrade that one later in the year but still.

[fair gull]

you got any game/res/fps combo?

[thick elk]

No direct examples but what I was playing gpu heavier games were still gpu-bottlenecked (on linux) and the big difference in terms of cpu was mostly cpu-heavy games.

[fair gull]

i did also think about upgrading cpu but i dont wanna bother with basically rebuilding the entire pc

[ashen spindle]

gpus will get a refresh on nvidias side in januar with the super series

rdna4 will come probably around computex but wont have the flagships

so kinda like rdna1 but we dont know what range it covers yet

[thick elk]

That is a factor, and the 2080ti is much better than what I came from on the gpu side 1080 was definitely showing it's age.

[fair gull]

guess ill just wait. 7950x3d cant get more expensive till then prob maybe

[fair gull]

yeah deffo cant complain its more future proofing for games to come i wanna play

[ashen spindle]

personal guess is we see nvidia super at ces, zen5 as well as amd saying we have a date to show rdna4 in x weeks

and ces is the next weekend

[thick elk]

That, only thing I could say is that dram prices are going to trend up, probably not enough to compensate but still a minor factor.

[ashen spindle]

in the sense that some games have bigger issues with fences and similar only with one of them so you know something is used but not really in a sense that you can differentiate them on itself

[fair gull]

idk if id go more than 32gb tbh

[stuck surge]

I mean you can see comparsion videos

[ashen spindle]

48gb would be something to consider probably

[halcyon moss]

But when you are playing the game? Nah

[stuck surge]

i dont like that ''when playing a game argument'' what does it even mean? that you are unable to see what you are playing?

[fair gull]

ill start putting together a list of parts to get a general price target i guess

prob will just keep using my darkbase 600

[ashen spindle]

it means if I let you play a game and ask if none, dlss or fsr is enabled can you see which one it is or can you only see it's none or one of them

answer is unless its some specific game where its bad or you know it, you cant say if its fsr or dlss usually

[stuck surge]

https://youtu.be/1WM_w7TBbj0

this is one test

[ashen spindle]

which is a side by side not blind tests while gaming

[halcyon moss]

Sure if you pay attention to specific things, you'll see it. But most of the time the differences are so Minor

[fair gull]

another big question i still need to decide on is if i stay watercooled aio or just go back to smth like dark rock pro

[stuck surge]

idk if people are picky like me and seeing pixelation even at 4k

[ashen spindle]

watercooled cpu on amd side is just for looks these days

or like SFF builds that suffocate

but for now I'd just wait till CES to see what exactly we are getting from there

[thick elk]

I just like my oversided aio for a cpu that really doesn't need it. 7800x3d + arctic liquid freezer 2 420

[ashen spindle]

oh god lol

[stuck surge]

depends how much you dont care about image quality

[thick elk]

It's not like it's that expensive a cooler either, had to get something new, so why not something that lasts me a few builds.

[fair gull]

ye just prepping a list for a general price target

which rn is 2.5k

less than i expected tbh

[stuck surge]

fsr image is definitely not stable most of the time

[stuck surge]

7800x3d needs aio

if you want 0 noise 8 cores going at full power

aircooling aint gonna cut it

[ashen spindle]

lmfao yes it is

[pale sigil]

......

[stuck surge]

i dont know about the top aircoolers

but fans need to spin a little bit

when all 8 cores are working

[ashen spindle]

which in gaming is basically never

[fair gull]

as if a game loads 100% on the cpu

[stuck surge]

well

[ashen spindle]

if you only game you can probably even put the noctua passive cooler on it and it's fine

[stuck surge]

unironically minecraft used 100% of my cpu once

chunk loading mods moment

[ashen spindle]

100% usage also doesnt always mean max powerdraw

[stuck surge]

but yea its rare

[pale sigil]

Mc doesn't use multicore, most you can do is multi thread.

Pretty sure

Even with mods.

[stuck surge]

modded can use a lot of threads

[pale sigil]

Yes threads

[stuck surge]

which will put quite a bit of usage

[pale sigil]

Yes but that ain't activating all cores

[stuck surge]

most games ive never seen more than 8 threads being used

[fair gull]

as long as minesweeper, solitair and space cadet pinball work im fine

[stuck surge]

yea modded can activate those cores

but its mainly for terrain gen/loading

[fair gull]

threadripper minecraft server goes brrrrr

[stuck surge]

i mean

if you instance the server to multiple worlds

and put 50 players in each

[shadow minnow]

If I want a mouse that has a razer deathadder v3 pro shape and is 8khz does it make sense to wait for Jan events or is there not anything new interesting likely to get released?

[stuck surge]

i would wait for ces in general

never buy tech untill like feb

[fair gull]

ye i got a price target now so ill just sit back and relax for the announcements

[thick elk]

Has something changed in recent years, as I remember minecraft servers to not be particularly multithreaded. I remember overclocked desktop cpu's being a thing for large servers.

[ashen spindle]

yeah its a mix now so server side threadripper with cores and frequency are in demand

especially for modded ones

which are basically all now

[shadow minnow]

I remember that the anarchy server used to run on a desktop cpu that was oced since lot of players in one world but then that was for 1.12.2

But then most servers actually aren’t one server but many servers connected so it makes sense to have lot of cores

Forgot the name of the thing but there are multiple ways to connect spigot servers so people can seamlessly change when playing different minigame instances

We used it for wootupmc too

[raw zephyr]

there have been so many attempts at multithreaded minecraft servers but it never really gets that far

or it's heavily modded and vanilla stuff doesn't work

[reef patrol]

I dunno about that.

Splitting individual chunks into cores seems to be working pretty well.

[ashen spindle]

for first generation yes afterwards less so

[reef patrol]

Considering how well it helps mitigate lag machines, I'd argue it's doing quite well all things considered.

Is it a hacky workaround instead of a proper engine rewrite? Yes.

[raw zephyr]

it's okay for minigames and stuff, but not really for true vanilla singleplayer, even good ol' papermc breaks a lot of stuff

[stuck surge]

There are a ton of performance mods for java version

nowdays

@shadow minnow irrc there is experimental version of server meshing avaiable publicly

Maybe big server ones have well working one

[stuck surge]

This is not workaround

The only way to properly scale a single mc world is to use server meshing

[reef patrol]

I literally never claimed it was a solution.

[stuck surge]

You said that it was hacky workaround

but its really not

[reef patrol]

I never called it a workaround.

I called it a hacky workaround that is all you can achieve without an engine rewrite.

Now go be pedantic somewhere else, preferably Mojang HQ, since they're literally the only ones with the power to do what you want 😛

[stuck surge]

Lol

what

[shadow minnow]

I am pretty sure not just experimental

[stuck surge]

talking with people like you is always waste of time ngl

[shadow minnow]

Basically all servers with minigames have a different server for each

[stuck surge]

i assume that hypixel would have it

well im not that much into those large servers

[shadow minnow]

Yes but it’s also a thing small servers have

I don’t know of any that don’t acc

Though hypixel may have their own implementation

[thick elk]

This could be done for quite some time I think.
Just offloading different "worlds" to different threads. seems relatively easy to multi-process.

Problem is often in minecraft that one world so to speak by far has the heaviest load, mostly on the world tick at least on modded ones.

[shadow minnow]

Iirc bungee cord or waterfall tend to get used both were public for a while

[reef patrol]

Uhuh.

[stuck surge]

syncing is the issue

[shadow minnow]

It basically makes going from one server to another seem like going from one world to another

You don’t use it for the same world

But for minigames etc where sync doesn’t matter

You’ll usually have at least one server for each minigame

Then multiple lobby servers

And more

[stuck surge]

making like portals to different world is much easier than making the same world work on multiple cores

[shadow minnow]

Oh yeah making same world work on multiple cores is hard

What I meant is that for hypixel and such you always have multiple words

And each server has its worlds

[stuck surge]

yea

meanwhile mojang is wondering whether adding 1 mob to the game will ruin it

[wheat plume]

Anyone have any good value suggestions for a multi-port charger that can charge my phone, laptop and Steam Deck at the same time?

my laptop needs 65W but it needs 3 Amps
my phone needs 18W
and the Steam Deck needs 45W

[thick elk]

I would personally just get a 100w gan charger, you generally do not need to charge all of them at the same time, hell even 65w would be fine in most cases

[wheat plume]

Any specific model?

I saw one from uGreen but its not GaN

might be worth spending a bit more for a GaN charger if it can be the only charger I need to carry with me for all my stuff

[vagrant pagoda]

I have the 140w from pluggable

[wheat plume]

140 seems overkill maybe?

[thick elk]

Basically what I have, just paid a bit less for it: https://www.amazon.nl/UGREEN-Charger-Meerdere-4-poorts-Compatibel/dp/B0B6N75KFC

also have this one at work: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005329130989.html?algo_exp_id=84934b10-4ab9-4a48-8004-eb84885f06bb-0

Works great and is often around that price range.

[vagrant pagoda]

How dose it handle multiple devices?

[thick elk]

It handles them fine mostly from what I have used

the cheaper one I have not used that much with a lot of device, maybe 2 at most at a time, the ugreen one I commonly use with a smaller laptop + steamdeck + some other device at the same time.

[wheat plume]

Im a bit wary ofo ugreen

the USB switch I have from them stopped working suddenly

:/

[vagrant pagoda]

I had a multi output pps charger and it would only do the same voltage to both ports

[wheat plume]

and I have it less than a year

[vagrant pagoda]

Was annoying

[thick elk]

I don't think that is case here though, have not verified but using it with iem's at 5v and some laptop that only charges at 15v both charge at the same time.

[vagrant pagoda]

That has 2 pps ports and 2 normal ports

[thick elk]

Also having usb-a ports is still nice as some devices don't like c to c cables.

[vagrant pagoda]

Are you using the 2 pps ports?

[fair gull]

cant even take that into dutch trains

90w max

[vagrant pagoda]

Why I wish type c laptops would have setting for draw

[wheat plume]

does this one come with other plug types? cause if I buy this from this version of Amazon, it will come with the EU plug

[vagrant pagoda]

There is no technical reason they dont

[fair gull]

i just bought 3 90w chargers

[vagrant pagoda]

My pinecil can

[vagrant pagoda]

A 90w charger will trip it too though

[fair gull]

didnt for me

[vagrant pagoda]

All my chargers are rated to output

Even with gan, it going to be 95w+ input

But I wish laptops could set the input power

[fair gull]

ye

[vagrant pagoda]

My laptop have DC and type c in

And on planes/tranes I use a pps to DC adapter

So that it only draws 50w

Or is it 75w?

I forget

All I know is type c direct trips planes

It's just crazy my $25 soldering iron can dial power from 1w to 130w instantly

[thick elk]

Just tested the ugreen one, it does in fact charge at 2 different voltages at the same time on the high output ports. tested 15 + 5v and 15+ 20v

Only has 2 high output ports though

[vagrant pagoda]

Nice

Not bad

I carry a 140w for the pinecil

[thick elk]

In general I use a few different chargers.
One for my phone in my bedroom, one for most devices in my office / place I spend the day at home, one in my shoulder bag (single port) on the go, and one at work.

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah at home I have them all in different spots

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=---fHu9jFtw

[shadow minnow]

How bad is discoloration of white plastic anyways? The razer death adder in white looks really nice but I don’t want it to get discolored over time, how long would it likely last?

Also re side creaking is it likely they fixed it not that I’d been a year?

[smoky frigate]

https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10533&start=200#p94517

TLDR you can make motion clarity better by lowering your hz on a high refresh rate display

I think I'll be trying this with the QFT trick to lower latency to the max as well

[ashen spindle]

important point this is about impulsed displays like the DyAc from zowie

so if you have some of those TN screens that are esports first, for most others you'd just want VRR to be on in the range

[smoky frigate]

yeah it's what I had. I just did it, plus QFT hax. was surprisingly simple

[ashen spindle]

just wanted to point that out incase someone just sees your comment and thinks its about any high refresh rate screen

[smoky frigate]

mane this looks absolutely nuts

[hardy idol]

nowadays mostly impacted by dirty hands, sweat and skin oils rather than UV discolouration

[smoky frigate]

guess it worked. frame time runs the gambit from 2 to 12ms on 144hz

but 144 is a bit jerky, I'm going for 240 instead

[ashen spindle]

frametime is just directly related to your fps, this isn't mkaing your frametime work any differently it's just how it gets shown visibly

[reef patrol]

Someone here reminded me earlier today that 24GB dimms are a thing, and I hate you 😛

Back into the spiraling jungle of finding RAM

[ashen spindle]

you're welcome

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

tbf I would still just look at 64 for now

unless you can find 48 at more than just a bit cheaper

[reef patrol]

I was going for 32 before. I can't find a need for more using just two dimms

(also price)

[ashen spindle]

single stick 32 works too then, easiest to keep it open for upgrades that way

[reef patrol]

NOT HELPING

xD

[smoky frigate]

oic, thanx for clearing confusion

[ashen spindle]

since ddr5 has virtual dual rank so to speak you dont need two sticks anymore to get the performance

[reef patrol]

Mixing RAM speeds is such a pain though. I wouldn't be buying more for a long while, so finding an identical stick later might be more difficult and pricy than just buying another two sticks

[ashen spindle]

assuming amd it's just 6000MT anyway and mixing 2 sticks is much less of an issue and 2 kits of 2 each

hell my sandy bridge 2400k has 2 sticks of 2 and 1 of 4gb iirc

[reef patrol]

Keep in mind that I currently have a PC that randomly reboots. I just want my shit to work 😄

I don't have anyone I can borrow RAM from, so for now I'll have to assume that mixing two 3600Mhz kits with different timings could be a partial cause.

[ashen spindle]

well yeah the assumption is if you run out of ram on a single stick of 32 you would upgrade while the rest is stable xD

oh ddr4, so keeping your platform? I dont think 24g dims are made for ddr4

[reef patrol]

No no.

Just saying that due to my current situation, I don't want to risk a potential repeat from repeating "mistakes"

[ashen spindle]

ah

[stone thicket]

What CPU is good with 4070?
I'm looking into i5 13600k/14600k or i7 13700k/14700k

Note: I mainly play 1080p, and I'm not planning to go 1440p

[ashen spindle]

7800x3d

[stone thicket]

I know it's good for gaming, but I'd like to have overall performance

[reef patrol]

And you figured Intel would do that?

[ashen spindle]

I mean then you gotta be more precise what you need it for

since even for stuff like rendering it depends what, if it's something that even makes use of more cores etc.

[stuck surge]

7800x3d

Average 30 games it wins

[ashen spindle]

m8 he literally just said no to it since its not just for games

[stuck surge]

Oh

[stone thicket]

Yea, I'm not focused only on gaming, I don't really edit or render something, but I want good overall performance

[stuck surge]

Do you

[ashen spindle]

well you gotta say what you mean with that

[stuck surge]

If you arent rendering, compiling, or using other software like that

[stone thicket]

And another thing would be that I have to change the MB

[ashen spindle]

ah that's something else

[stuck surge]

Then what do you need more than 8 cores for

[stone thicket]

Which, Ik, another expenses

[ashen spindle]

what do you have currently?

[stone thicket]

12400f

[stone thicket]

To avoid the GPU bottleneck, also, I have lag spikes in some games, for example fortnite

[wheat plume]

UGH the EU store for UGreen doesnt ship here ;-;

[stuck surge]

Irrc intel wins quite a bit price to performance if you can use all of its perf+ efficiency cores like 13700k

[stuck surge]

Fortnite will not use that

[ashen spindle]

then you might want the 14700k as thats the only 14th gen that is different, got some more E cores

[stuck surge]

starfield will and you will get a little extra performance

but generally for 99% of the games the extra cores will do absolutely nothing for stutters

[stone thicket]

That's true

[ashen spindle]

no but on intel they still cut down the cache on lower tier cpus and having more does help

[stuck surge]

Yea cache helps with lows

[cursive prawn]

what websites do you guys use to get keycaps in EU/UK ?

[stuck surge]

If you want intel then just get ,14700k

[stuck surge]

Aliexpress

[stone thicket]

Is air cooling enough for it?

[stuck surge]

Yes

[ashen spindle]

depends

for just gaming and it's not a budget cooler yeah

[stuck surge]

as long as you arent using all cores at once

top air cooler can cool like 250watts

but this cpu can def chug more

[stone thicket]

This is my dream build

Maybe one more cpu on top

or AIO

[ashen spindle]

witht he classic fans behind a glass front so they dont do anything

[stuck surge]

I would put noctua fans instead

[ashen spindle]

with that you would want an AIO

even the best fans cant pull air through glass

[stuck surge]

Oh there is glass in front lmao

[reef patrol]

The case has side intakes. But yeah - it looks odd.

[stone thicket]

Was about to say this

[ashen spindle]

side intake only on one side and thats still a 90degree angle for it to move

[reef patrol]

Air is funny like that. It kind of works.

The fans aren't great though.

[ashen spindle]

there is some airflow yeah but I wouldnt put a 250w on aircool in that

when 250 means on all core it can exceed 300

[stone thicket]

This is better, no?

[ashen spindle]

much better

just do check whatever cooler you have right now does work with the xx700k in gaming loads

[stuck surge]

In gaming loads it shouldnt be much more than 7800x3d

[ashen spindle]

lmao its like double the 7800x3d

sorry

trippple

[digital cliff]

triple is with one p

[wheat plume]

I hate when websites dont put detailed output specs for their chargers ;-;

idk if this one will work for my laptop or not https://www.anker.com/products/a2668?variant=41974350315670#!

[halcyon moss]

https://www.anker.com/products/a2668?variant=41974350315670#!

There is a specs tab

[digital cliff]

and the specs tab doesn't list the voltages it's capable of outputting

[wheat plume]

^

yeah, thats why I asked if anyone here may know them

[halcyon moss]

True

[ashen spindle]

isnt that just defined by the usb-pd specs

[wheat plume]

I emailed the support to ask about it, so I will wait their reply

hopefully they ship here, need to get a USB C to C cable too for laptop

[digital cliff]

what voltage does the laptop want though

[wheat plume]

I sent the photo a bit ago, lemme check again

[halcyon moss]

@wheat plume a Pic of the socket has been posted above

[wheat plume]

oo hek, thanks!!

[ashen spindle]

All USB-C cables must be able to carry a minimum of 3 A current (at 5 V, for 15 W) but some can carry 5 A current (at 20 V, for 100 W

[digital cliff]

so 15v3A = 45W should work according to the plug

oh it even does the 20/3.25

[ashen spindle]

I dont think it's possible to make usb-pd without meeting the spec such a laptop would need?

[wheat plume]

oo yeah1

[vagrant pagoda]

ERP is over 100w

[ashen spindle]

yeah this is for the minimum of the first spec

[halcyon moss]

Yes, some laptops require higher voltages

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah my phone charger is only 12v max pd

[ashen spindle]

no I mean is it even possible to have a charger that has too low voltage, unless you try to charge it with something that shows 15W charging anyway?

[wheat plume]

So, this one should be good for my laptop?

[halcyon moss]

Like my ThinkPad x1 extreme (Gen 1)
It needed at least 15v

[ashen spindle]

like at that point obviously, but if the wattage is in similar range does the pd spec even make it possible for the voltage to be too low?

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean yeah if it's under the pack voltsge

90% of laptops are 19v

[halcyon moss]

Some 65watt chargers didn't work on that laptop

[vagrant pagoda]

So a 90w 18v5a charger would do nothing for most laptops

[wheat plume]

wat

[ashen spindle]

ok maybe I worded it wrong, lana knew what voltage it needs and I dont think 65W pd can be done on the usb spec without meeting what that laptop needs?

[wheat plume]

hm :/ so this charger wont work?

[vagrant pagoda]

What dose the laptop need

[wheat plume]

this

[ashen spindle]

no that is the opposite of what I just said

[wheat plume]

oh

[vagrant pagoda]

That is a charger not a laptop

[wheat plume]

Yeah, but its the one that came with the laptop and the only one I used on it currently

idk what else I can tell you

[vagrant pagoda]

What laptop is it

[wheat plume]

PC Specialist 14 inch laptop

they no longer sell this chassis model ..

[reef patrol]

inb4 just buy a universal 120W laptop charger with every plug out there.

[vagrant pagoda]

What model is it

[wheat plume]

I was about to buy that uGreen one but their EU Store doesnt ship to Ireland .-. so I found one on Anker that does ship here

[wheat plume]

here, but I cant find it on their product page anymore, I only have the info in my order decscription now

[vagrant pagoda]

It needs 19v or 20v on the charger to charge

[wheat plume]

hmm

[digital cliff]

I thought this was settled already

what your laptop ideally wants

what the charger provides