🔌│tech

[fair gull]

same

arc on windows will be my new browser

for forever

[crisp granite]

and this is why I am glad to hold AMD

[fair gull]

as much as i love firefox it just sucks sometimes

[pale sigil]

That's pretty much why I stopped using ff for a long time

[fair gull]

i still use it as the alternatives are all shite

[pale sigil]

Eh I like brave enough to have moved to it years ago

But I do agree

[fair gull]

if brave wasnt chromium based id use it

[pale sigil]

Arc is chromium based

[astral haven]

no i mean like paying officially and just using different 😉 channels to watch it

[fair gull]

arc heavily modifies a lot though

including how tabs are loaded in ram and kept active etc

[pale sigil]

So does brave?....

[fair gull]

privacy stuff etc

[pale sigil]

Again that's braves whole thing?

[fair gull]

brave doesnt really change anything except privacy

[pale sigil]

Not saying brave is better though

Brave literally had modes and changes for ram management etc

*has

[fair gull]

well i dont need any modes or such. arc just does it smart and automatic

[pale sigil]

Again brave can do that....

[fair gull]

i can unload tabs manually but keep them open or let arc unload them if i open other tabs that need ram/cpu

[pale sigil]

Anyway, I have no doubt arc is better.

Again

[fair gull]

thats why i like arc... no fiddling with settings

[pale sigil]

Brave can do that

[fair gull]

i dont like can... any browser can with extensions or settings.... it should be the default

[pale sigil]

I'm not on about extensions, it can do that by default, it also lets the user yanno choose.

[fair gull]

i dont see why it needs to be an opt in is my issue

[pale sigil]

Because braves whole thing is having the user have full control and choice?

[fair gull]

so make it opt out

[pale sigil]

Brave ain't perfect but I think you're underselling it here 😅

[fair gull]

its like brave needing you to enable privacy settings

would that make it good? no not at all

[hollow prism]

plot twist all of these "privacy" browsers have been selling more of your data then you can possibly imagine knowing that you feel more confident entering private data into them 😂

GG's

[pale sigil]

I mean, it has multiple tiers and by default it's set so it had privacy but doesn't break stuff and lets the user choose.

Which I love, for example I block everything social media related to load on pages.

[fair gull]

i mean it as it starts like chrome

and you have to enable the bare minimum yourself

[pale sigil]

No?

[fair gull]

...

imagine this WOULD be how brave works

[pale sigil]

It has a very good default profile that is heavily privacy based.

I don't really understand your point.

[fair gull]

im saying the opt in for memory saving is garbage for a browser that tries to be the next best thing

[astral haven]

screw memory saving lel

[pale sigil]

I don't like memory management in my browser, I don't want it enabled by default?...

[astral haven]

keep my pages open please

[pale sigil]

Exactly

Not everyone has to worry about ram like having a MacBook.

[fair gull]

i dont see any reasons to have it be a pure optin unless their memory saving algo force closes video/audio tabs currently playing but unfocused or something

[pale sigil]

We actually have ram that's 16gb :p

Or 32gb :p

[fair gull]

i want arc on my win machine exactly for memory saving so more of my 64gb are free for actual useful things

[pale sigil]

Jokes aside I have never needed to care for memory management after getting 32gb.

So I can't say I get it

Wait don't you have like a million tabs?

Or was that someone else.

[fair gull]

if my browser sucks 1 or 2 gb for the 1 or 2 text tabs i actually have open (since i cant view all my tabs a once) i dont want it

and loading a website takes a second or 2 max

[astral haven]

free memory is wasted memory

[fair gull]

especially since with memory management i could finally move to just use discord in browser

and vscode in browser

[ashen spindle]

the issue with brave is I just cant trust them when they say privacy focus, then sneak affiliate links into urls, use crypto for their token and then the homophobic ceo on top

[pale sigil]

Apparently people on the arc Reddit don't like being forced to use memory management

[fair gull]

and wootility in browser

[astral haven]

yea and how about it just stay open so i dont have to wait 30 seconds every 5 minutes

[pale sigil]

This

This is my gripe about brave

[fair gull]

i havent had to wait this long but sure

[pale sigil]

And why I want arc

[fair gull]

if your modem is that slow idk man

[ashen spindle]

so im just sticking with chrome and use addons

[astral haven]

lucky you, but many of our web based apps use massive webpages

[fair gull]

i am really hyped to have a competent memory managed browser on windows soon

[astral haven]

and now chrome mem management defaults to on

[fair gull]

i dont wanna use gug all that much anymore

[rough osprey]

do yall run out of memory or sum

[fair gull]

their recent trend to fuck over customers is quite sad

na i just like not running 20 browsers on my pc

[pale sigil]

Since 8gb is 16gb on MacBooks no

[astral haven]

i have 6 chrome windows that im looking at right now

[pale sigil]

Windows?

[rough osprey]

das crazy

[pale sigil]

You savage

[astral haven]

1 per monitor

[fair gull]

i usually run 2 firefox windows 1 for each monitor half

[pale sigil]

I have 4 max

Most of the time

[fair gull]

and then its split on what i need to see where with other apps open.

[rough osprey]

bro got the security office setup

[pale sigil]

As my monitor is portrait on the left I split into two windows

[fair gull]

but yeah maybe im the odd one out liking my tabs to go inactive if they are less used or infrequently visited where i just keep em open so i dont need bookmarks

[pale sigil]

I don't see that as an issue.

[rough osprey]

im just closing what i dont need

[pale sigil]

I just don't like it personally.

And I close stuff I don't need.

[fair gull]

well arc uses tabs as bookmarks so /shrug

[pale sigil]

I don't even have my browser save when I close lol

I don't even use bookmarks

[fair gull]

i have quite a lot of tabs open at all times

[pale sigil]

Well that's a lie, my work profile uses bookmarks

[fair gull]

in different spaces at that to separate work from private and shows to watch from that and coding in private from that

[pale sigil]

Browser profiles are nice

And folder space things

[astral haven]

i rarely have fewer than 3 tabs open per window
and i have 22 bookmarks that i use on a daily basis
another bunch that i use less frequently

and yea i have 3 profiles open rn

yall are on 1 lel

[pale sigil]

I don't even bookmark what I use on a daily basis haha

I have 2

[fair gull]

basically the 4 spaces in my main browser window rn

[pale sigil]

Source code

[fair gull]

and im glad none of these use ram atm cause i just dont need to look at any of them

[pale sigil]

Hmmmmmmmm

I mean I just close my browser and it clears everything 😅

[astral haven]

i can understand not wanting the ram to be used when you are not using it

[pale sigil]

If I need something I can re-open all the tabs that were open before closing the browser.

All I'm saying is I disagree it should be the default.

[astral haven]

the problem is when troubleshooting 1 issue, i can need information from 5 different webpages

[fair gull]

i have a lot of these rarely viewed at tabs in my ff browsers as well

[astral haven]

and i dont want to close my calendar, email, or chat

[pale sigil]

And according to the arc community that's quite a big complaint.

[fair gull]

mainly builds for elite dangerous or mmo item pages with drop tables

or sometimes spreadsheets etc

i dont wanna bookmark them as the are sort of temporary but i also dont look at them all the time

[astral haven]

yea i open all my tabs except for email chat and calendar manually

and i make sure i close everything at the end of every week

[pale sigil]

Regardless I'm very much looking forward to the arc browser to come to Windows.

I want change baby

[fair gull]

my general folder in my general space has a sub folder with more important stuff as well which i dont look at often like payslip website and the banks i have accounts with

and being able to just keep all tracking urls of packages in the folder for tracked packages is a godsent after renaming them

[pale sigil]

Does arc have a sync chain

[fair gull]

sync chain?

[pale sigil]

So I can sync between devices without an account

[fair gull]

oh no it uses icloud on macos

[pale sigil]

Oh

Meh

[fair gull]

i assume itll use MS accounts on windows or other accounts

[pale sigil]

I hope not

That'll be very sad

[wheat plume]

... USB C Apple Pencil has NO pressure sensitivity

Unless you only draw with fixed line width, you fucked

[astral haven]

Samsung/wacom new gen pens don't require charging and all support pressure sensitivity

[fair gull]

the power of nfc powering

[astral haven]

Wrong

The power of being passive

[distant perch]

hey wondering if anyone can help me. pc randomly stopped working and when i try to power it on the motherboard shows a light near “VGA”. im getting a signal but the screen on my monitor is blank black

[cloud wyvern]

chatgpt it

[mystic knot]

May I ask if my order only includes black keycaps and does not include Wooting Dye Sub PBT? The package I received only contained pre installed black keycaps

[hardy idol]

[distant perch]

dont ask for help in tech talk got ya

[severe phoenix]

Unsure, I assume likely 30?

It's OLED, you wouldn;t really wanna go lower than 30

[true quest]

annoyed the official trailer and case uses red accent lights and red logo, but the limited edition has orange highlights

[severe phoenix]

Down to 10, damn

Maybe a VN at 10HZ makes sense, one without any animations

Not sure how much batter life VS 30 that'd give though

[true quest]

hoping someone does custom color parts

otherwise will just swap the regular black onto the limited edition

[severe phoenix]

What I'm really excited about is the SD2 in 2-3 years with an OLED screen, now that would heavily interest me.

[raw zephyr]

ok so who is buying the oled steam deck today

[halcyon willow]

just u

[halcyon moss]

Not me, already have an under utilized SteamDeck

And it's not because of the screen or fan

[raw zephyr]

yeah that’s what i was thinking

i’ve never been a fan of handheld gaming, it just seems like an interesting device

how come you don’t use it much?

[severe phoenix]

https://vxtwitter.com/PowerstancePino/status/1724646052731449739

Oh it also doesn't work on public WiFi

Not because of speed or anything

But like literally it just does not

the way it's designed

[hardy idol]

pretty much everything is arriving for the pc except the ram because amazon is gay as fuck

[old marlin]

Is it still on the ranch?

[hardy idol]

it's sold out at amazon too

they say they don't know when they can ship it

I think I should cancel it and find a new kit?

Because fuck waiting another month for this

[old marlin]

It really rocks

[hardy idol]

but then I'll have to find a new kit which i like the looks of and that works well with the processor which will take long again lol

i cancelled the thing

Let's find a new kit and order it I guess

[halcyon moss]

I have a laptop, I have a desktop.
Kids running around where I don't want to show too much screentime

[hardy idol]

if a certain serial number of memory is known to have sk hynix chips does that mean all with that serial will?
I suspect so?

[umbral heron]

I do

[severe phoenix]

You think you are

[umbral heron]

Well that goes without saying

[halcyon moss]

have money ready in your steam wallet

thats all i can say...

because trying to pay with other methods last time.. did not work at all for me

[umbral heron]

[severe phoenix]

lol

Yeah

good job

I was going to say

[hardy idol]

?

did you buy a laptop just for that game lol

ah

V do you know the answer to my question

because if reviewer slice open g skill kit
and is sk hynix
if I copy the serial

then I should also?

get?

sk hynix?

[raw zephyr]

who cares, ddr5 sucks

[halcyon willow]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-falling-shock-hank-schrader-gif-25977671

[hardy idol]

are you a ddr5 module then

no but this issue is basically here since Zen existed right.

so, I need to pick wisely

Or guess and return if it's samsun

g

?

[raw zephyr]

what cpu are u getting

[hardy idol]

7800x3d

[raw zephyr]

then dont bother with ram

6000 cl30 is the sweetspot, anything beyond either doesn’t work or it’s not worth

the gskill trident z5 neo 6000 cl30 is generally recommended

then watch buildzoid’s video about 7800x3d

[fickle ore]

Get intel with highest ddr5

[hardy idol]

oki
is that always sk hynix then

[ashen spindle]

Doesnt matter, if it’s on the QVL it should work regardless of what modules your kit uses

[hardy idol]

Ahh oki

[hardy idol]

so just anything 6000 cl30?

[ashen spindle]

If it’s the same or so matters if you want to manually do things not if you just use jedec or xmp

[raw zephyr]

yes you don’t need more for 7800x3d, it doesn’t really scale with anything

[severe phoenix]

OLED decks already sold out

[raw zephyr]

this is what i run right now (aida is useless for comparing with other systems, so don't really look at it)

[true quest]

fug you mean buh still got 12 hours to go

well closer to eight now

[raw zephyr]

also stay away from this msi board, it's very very bad

[severe phoenix]

lol

[severe phoenix]

Nope early sale, all gone.

[true quest]

did you get me one

[severe phoenix]

Only 1 per account so no

[umbral heron]

You guys have only one Steam account?

[true quest]

the resell prices on the limited ed will be amusing

[hardy idol]

https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/1819304/g-punt-skill-trident-z5-rgb-f5-6000j3040f16gx2-tz5rs.html

would this one work 🤔

[reef patrol]

I have two - But only because I need to for work. Otherwise I genuinely don't see any reason why you'd need more than one, unless you get VAC banned 😛

[severe phoenix]

I'm expectning around 1100$

[true quest]

yes, no use for me having more than one

[severe phoenix]

I had two in the past, but lost one when trading for CD keys circa almost 20 years ago

[ashen spindle]

Afk item drop farming in tf2

[true quest]

practical or otherwise

[hardy idol]

the top is white ish hahaha

[true quest]

yeah im thinking 1400

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/fair-baron-zemo-the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-fair-enough-seems-fair-gif-22912772

That's a blast from the past.

[true quest]

1500 even

[raw zephyr]

yeah, i meant this one https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/1860878/g-punt-skill-trident-z5-neo-f5-6000j3038f16gx2-tz5n.html

[severe phoenix]

I hope

😛

Buy LE > Sell LE for 1500$ > buy OLED Deck for 550$ > Grofit

[true quest]

almost three low tier oled for the price of one, in a way

[hardy idol]

blegh

It's white enough

[hardy idol]

what's difference between regular and neo?

[raw zephyr]

no rgb

[hardy idol]

ah then I'll get the regulaes

[raw zephyr]

i don't quite understand the recent jayztwocents video of him going back to intel, he covered some issues that i've never seen in my life

i went from 9900k to 7800x3d and the only issue i have is longer boot times

[reef patrol]

Gotta have that clickbait video to keep folks viewing.

[raw zephyr]

most likely

[umbral heron]

I have 2, because I used to borrow one to my little brothers when the wanted to play with us
Now, I haven't logged in there for over 2 years

[reef patrol]

I swear anytime there's a video showing some minor issue or performance drop on either platform, there's always a gut reaction video from a bunch of Youtubers going "INTEL BETRAYED ME, SWITCHING BACK TO MY BELOVED AMD"

[halcyon willow]

really??

[hardy idol]

I ordered them I guess

[raw zephyr]

then there are channels like Frame Chasers, where this guy absolutely despises amd for 1% lows

by them going 7800x3d, most likely mainly a gaming pc, it's more than enough

always have been

indeed

but yeah i want to replace that msi b650 board i have with something more polished

never going msi mobo again

[ashen spindle]

Ah yes, the guy who makes unstable memory oc then blames amd when going for more whea errors per second than fps

Brain damaged idiot

[raw zephyr]

but the average gamer believes this guy

[ashen spindle]

Yeah and people believe Jay when he argued with buildzoid about it being intel’s fault that ram OC didn’t work when it was out of intel’s spec

[cursive summit]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jaymcgregor/2023/11/14/new-macbook-pro-dustgate-problem-is-breaking-apple-laptop-displays/?sh=2f08809c641c

[old marlin]

apple and dust

name a better pair

[raw zephyr]

what brand to even look at on am5? every brand seems to have it's flaws

[old marlin]

mobo wise?

[raw zephyr]

yes

[old marlin]

asrock seems to be the most solid atm

[ashen spindle]

Never look at a brand alone for any socket generation

[raw zephyr]

yeah i was considering either asrock b650e taichi or asus rog strix b650e-e

[old marlin]

why the taichi

[raw zephyr]

asrock actually costs way more

at least the taichi

[old marlin]

no

[reef patrol]

Taichi has always been solid for me. ASRock in general actually.
But I do have a strong bias called "they were all free samples, and they didn't break" 😄

[old marlin]

the taichi is just the totl model lol

[raw zephyr]

just want something rock solid compared to the current mobo i have, where even if i disable igpu it still shows up in os

[umbral heron]

ASRock usually used to be the cheapest around here, and pretty good quality with that

[old marlin]

I'd assume the taichi and riptide behave the same in that regard

[raw zephyr]

i was tightening timings and they were unstable, pc crashed, boot disk doesn't show up anymore

[old marlin]

wait

which one was the meme board agan

[raw zephyr]

if it's not msi mag b650 tomahawk

then i don't know

[old marlin]

ASRock B650M-HDV

iirc that thing was pretty good for ram oc

[raw zephyr]

also i tried to update the bios yesterday, agesa 1.0.9.0 update, i was no longer able to boot into windows

apparently corrupted drivers

downgraded, works fine again

it wasn't a tpm thing or anything, just decided to not work anymore

so yeah that's one of the few reasons why i was looking at the asrock taichi, as i've read it's one of the most solid boards for am5

[ashen spindle]

At this point might as well wait for next batch of boards with zen5

[old marlin]

prob ye

as someone that just plugs in ram and loads expo and is done in bios the riptide is good enouhg for me certainly

only thing I miss is spdif

I just use a box to yoink audio out of hdmi

[raw zephyr]

i mean the board is nice, when stuff actually works, but i cannot blame AMD for that like youtubers do lol

[old marlin]

a LOT cheaper than a native spdif port

for some reason

[old marlin]

lol

[raw zephyr]

also for some reason, stuff like GDM is missing? it was present in the non working agesa 1.0.9.0 update rofl

i have false hopes of them fixing everything with a magical bios update, but i'm slowly doubting it when the latest update made everything worse rofl

[cursive summit]

Huh

So SUPER might actually be a thing

[old marlin]

so they discontinued both 4080s?

[cursive summit]

But 4070 isn't mentioned, and that's supposedly getting a SUPER card

[hardy idol]

idk i got x670e-a

asu

[old marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/sushichaeng-among-us-among-us-meme-shocked-confused-gif-22454610

a sus

[reef patrol]

ASUS? More like ASS IS SUS AMRITE

[hardy idol]

wha

[raw zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/skriler-qugon-kot-cat-meme-gif-14703479768620939022

[umbral heron]

Hah!
We've tried to set-up another pve node
For some reason keeb we always use for servers couldn't initialize during boot, mine and my colleague's neither too
Then uwu be like "yeah aight man, no problem"

[hardy idol]

power supply and graphics card are delivered

big ssd delivered

uh rest is also delivered
ram probably tomorrow
screen saturday

and then

The speed ssd is probably going to take until the 5th of December

:<

it's the boot drive

https://tenor.com/view/coulter-nicole-kidman-golden-compass-his-dark-materials-evil-gif-16797455

[umbral heron]

But do you have a table and a Swiss army knife which hopefully has a Philips head screwdriver?

[hardy idol]

Swiss army knife?

Who do you think I am

a tool barbarian?

my tool geek mate got me into it I guess

But for the pc I will install it, special for you
with this

(for electronics)

[boreal kiln]

https://zeromouse.co/products/V34 for anyone interested

[crisp granite]

EYOOOOO

MY ALARM WAS AT 7 like always

Remembered the drop

GOT ONE

Now I need a viper ultimate to sacrifice to the cause

[umbral heron]

Time to buy Viper v2, replicate stl and publish for free on the Internets

[crisp granite]

Ok now I’m confused

There were originally 1100 up for grabs

[boreal kiln]

you need the viper v2 pro pcb

not ultimate pcb

[crisp granite]

I have an order number much higher than that

[crisp granite]

Ahhhhh

aight

[boreal kiln]

he sells wallpapers

so its possible its the same storefront for the backend

[crisp granite]

ok…so if it went through I should be fine

[crisp granite]

The thing is

I’m mentally stuck in 2021 from a peripheral perspective

I haven’t looked at em in a WHILE

Other than the zerømouse and M3K

Hopefully I can scoop up a V2 pro on Black Friday relatively cheap

[cursive summit]

https://blog.youtube/inside-youtube/ai-and-music-experiment/

Brand new blog announcement

Youtube is incorporating AI for music lol

[reef patrol]

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-continues-to-sell-14nm-zen-cpus-in-2023

[frozen ingot]

what are they even gonna use it for, generate royalty free music with AI?

[cursive summit]

Well, yes

[severe phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828342888341045328/1174705781082435604/Screenshot_20231116_173911_YouTube.png?ex=65689103&is=65561c03&hm=027658a68aa0e2b0275374027d9a656a86230ab5cd30551f028166023fa41e1b&

[cursive summit]

Most youtubers just use it for quiet background music

For that you just AI to make a chill instrumental, nobody will care if it's actually real or AI

[frozen ingot]

at this point I'm already convinced most of the "hit songs" nowadays are produced by an AI

[analog sinew]

LofAI

[cursive summit]

Well they aren't any better than AI so.. yeah

Especially hip hop, R&B, rap and whatever else is "pop" nowadays, basic shite

Well, pop itself is shite and overrated trash

[frozen ingot]

tbh I can barely even make out different genres any longer, it all just sorta sound the same

[lofty pivot]

Good background music makes bank from streamers/YouTubers

The guy behind streambeats was making crazy money from the Spotify plays from all the streamers using his music

[old marlin]

sound ancestors is from 2021

[cursive summit]

Who?

[old marlin]

madlib album

[cursive summit]

What's a madlib

[old marlin]

very good hiphop producer

[cursive summit]

Not my musical interest zone, don't know who most are

[frozen ingot]

is mumble rap dead yet

[cursive summit]

Last I heard yes

[old marlin]

I'd hope so

[cursive summit]

Pretty sure it is?

There were some alright mumble rap songs that cropped up at times

But most of the mumble rappers like who was it, lil pump? Disappeared completely

[old marlin]

give sound ancestors a try

amazing album

[frozen ingot]

I've only heard like one or two tracks of it

[cursive summit]

But is it dream pop?

[frozen ingot]

and I didn't really care for those

[crisp granite]

nope
still thriving

[old marlin]

what is a dream pop

[cursive summit]

Musical genre

My interests in music are entirely dream pop, indie, shoegaze

[old marlin]

like imo there still is some good rap and hip hop

just is not that much

denzel still put out bangers imo

melt session #1 is a good album

[cursive summit]

But it really has no substance as a genre lol

[frozen ingot]

last time I had a decent idea of what was popular and playing on the charts was sometime early-mid 00s

[old marlin]

why not

[cursive summit]

I like how people love to justify Eminem nowadays, "oh but the wordplay"

When the guy is talking about some kind of cheese

Like, it's no longer what you are saying but how you say it?

[old marlin]

I mean

[cursive summit]

Not my thing

[old marlin]

that certainly is true for some artists

[frozen ingot]

nowadays they just seem to be copypasta chords and melodies from 2-3 decades old hits and put their own shit on top

[old marlin]

but what genre consistently has actual substance in the lyrics

if anything hip hop is above average in that regard?

[cursive summit]

Hm.. dream pop and indie rock?

[old marlin]

since the good artists tend to have some kind of message behind their songs

[frozen ingot]

I like a lot of the 90s-00s hiphop

have no idea what it really sounds like now

[cursive summit]

Tbf I have stopped paying much attention to lyrics in general

[old marlin]

well, there is a lot of subgenres

[cursive summit]

For me voice has become more of a musical instrument

And I love good instrumentals

[old marlin]

well yea, same

[cursive summit]

Hence, dream pop ♥️

[frozen ingot]

most of my discography is vocal-less

not that I dislike vocals

[old marlin]

don't really have a big preference

but most of it is with vocals

[vagrant pagoda]

It's so hard to find good rap now days I agree lol

[old marlin]

I really only listen to one rapper that still releases stuff

oh

2

nas as well

[vagrant pagoda]

But luckily wu tang is timeless

[old marlin]

true

[frozen ingot]

wooting clan ain't nuthin' to fuck with

[old marlin]

too bad cryptobros took once upon a time in shaolin

[vagrant pagoda]

36 chambers being 30 is wild

Thats a lot of years of spiked bats and dressers

[vagrant pagoda]

If what you say is true, the uwu and wooting could be dangerous

[frozen ingot]

do you think your wooting sword can defeat me

[old marlin]

En garde, i let you try my wooting style

[cursive summit]

Roll a d20, 20 wins

[vagrant pagoda]

All these new mumble rappers try to be so hard, then I just remember Dirt McGirt taking a Limo full of girls to get his welfare with MTV filming.

Talking about shooting some gang bangers for drug money is lame

Commiting Welfare fraud on National television, and bragging about it is a boss move

[old marlin]

the madvillainy setup is so funny

a fucking fisher price record player

[frozen ingot]

when you want all the lofi

[vagrant pagoda]

You don't need expensive equipment to make good music

[old marlin]

ye obv

[frozen ingot]

sp-303 so pricy these days

[old marlin]

not even that good

by now madlib is almost entirely on ipad

just a record player so he can get his weird samples

[cursive summit]

Nowadays you can create good music entirely just with a laptop

Basic setups aren't even that expensive

[old marlin]

depends on what you do

but yea

[frozen ingot]

nah I got the poor mans version zoom sampletrak

[cursive summit]

Which is funny that 20-30 years ago setups were fookin massive

[old marlin]

that is 20 years ago

not even an MCP

[vagrant pagoda]

Audiotool is amazing

[old marlin]

and now he switched to fucking garage band

to make an entire fucking album

but you can't really get everything sample wise in digital form

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean technically you can't

It's just hard

[old marlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TY2FKF9Ay0

what do you think the odds would be to find this digital if it wasn't used in a very influential album 20 years ago

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah but anyone can make it digital

[old marlin]

just because some american producer found it in a brazilian record store

[frozen ingot]

was tough getting professional recordings at home back in the day, most relied on like cassette portastudios

[vagrant pagoda]

But lost media is real

[frozen ingot]

or maybe a dat recorder

[vagrant pagoda]

Taking the walkman to the record store and recording samples in your jacket pocket with a headphone splitter.

[frozen ingot]

now its like a couple hundred bucks and gitting gud on your DAW and you can technically sound like an abbey road production

[vagrant pagoda]

Yep

Doing multitrack recording with four cassette decks queued up

[old marlin]

not even that

a used ipad is stupid cheap

and comes with your daw

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean that's the previous

A modern computer can have a thousand tracks

Before that as you couldn't afford money you had to try to manually sync up multiple stereo devices

[old marlin]

yea obv

[frozen ingot]

I wouldn't want to produce a whole album worth of tracks using a touchscreen personally, but am sure its totally doable

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean over a reel to reel

[old marlin]

has been done on absolutely professional levels before

so why not

[frozen ingot]

I found the interface great for mixing and playing instruments, painstakingly arranging things in detail with the touch ui got on my nerves after a while

but that's just me

[old marlin]

well I would agree

but it has been doen before

so who am I to judge

[frozen ingot]

yeah I know people who's produced a bunch of tracks on their feckin phone

not even ipad

found it was good for doing bars and snippets and moving to the pc daw

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah but try to dub it on tape lol

[frozen ingot]

I have worked a bit with a cassette porta, getting your shit to line up nicely is quite the project

and that's just 4 tracks

[cursive summit]

https://www.engadget.com/asus-offers-free-fix-for-evangelion-typo-on-motherboard-020129844.html

Evangenlion becoming a rare special type of mobo lol?

[vagrant pagoda]

XD

[hardy idol]

will they do it for the GPU backplate too

[vagrant pagoda]

I can't read EVANGELION without singing the stupid meme version of the theme

But I also can't never find the meme version

[cursive summit]

Good think I have no clue what it sounds like lel

[hardy idol]

theme isn't the best song of evangelion tbh

[vagrant pagoda]

It's the same song with different lyrics

[severe phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isPi9hOIEW4

[vagrant pagoda]

So now all I hear is "Stupid shinji wants to fuck his mother"

Thanks to tiktok

[hardy idol]

Hahahhaa

[severe phoenix]

I mean he does

[vagrant pagoda]

I've seen the meme like 4 times

And can never find the source of the parody inteo

[hardy idol]

lmao

it's haunted you but because you can't find it you won't ever be able to drop it

[severe phoenix]

I mean lore wise Rei is a clone of his mom physically identical

And Shinja wanna tap dat.

[hardy idol]

hahaha

[cursive summit]

https://spectrum.ieee.org/mems-speakers-xmems

Not the first type MEMS crops up as a discussion

Seems to be somewhat ready for mass production?

[vagrant pagoda]

Shinji crank that Soulja boy is my second favorite Eva meme

https://youtube.com/shorts/h1XfyU6Kjfo?si=qjGgs6lejzuKzJdn

[fickle ore]

i linked that 2 days ago but cool still

idk if its anygood or what are the main benefits

[cursive summit]

You did?

Nor that URL nor MEMS crop up in the search

[vagrant pagoda]

#🔌│tech message

Unrelated

[fickle ore]

more the merrier

[vagrant pagoda]

😛

Also discord search is terrible

[old marlin]

why would you want louder earbuds/iems

[vagrant pagoda]

Xmems won't show up for mems

[old marlin]

they are already loud enough to instantly destroy your hearing permanently

[vagrant pagoda]

I think they mean more sensitive

[cursive summit]

Yep it's a bit unfortunate

[vagrant pagoda]

More noise less power

[sharp badger]

Seems like the ROG Ally Z1E is €200 ''cheaper'' now, would people still prefer the Steam Deck OLED though?

[old marlin]

nope

they are bragging about them reaching 120db

[cursive summit]

With the price increase on the Deck? No

[old marlin]

which you absolutely would not want in an IEM

[vagrant pagoda]

Lol

[cursive summit]

I don't think Deck holds value that much anymore

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean most iem can do 120db for a moment

Issue with ally is will Asus support it

[fickle ore]

"The Health Protection Agency (HPA) [6] states that high levels of exposure to ultrasound can produce permanent damage to biological tissues. However, at low levels, such as those used in diagnostic testing, they should not produce damage because they do not produce more heat than physiological thermal temperature" I hope they're safe lol

[cursive summit]

Ultrasound?

[sharp badger]

Yeah the Support would probably be better for the Steam Deck

[old marlin]

not quite the same

confusingly named tho

a speaker like that would work

[vagrant pagoda]

No one is running ultrasound though iems

[old marlin]

but if it sounds good is another question

they also compare it only to "typical" dynamic drivers

[vagrant pagoda]

Infra and ultra aren't useful in a headphone lol

[old marlin]

which aren't even THAT common in IEMS

[fickle ore]

wdym not the same

[vagrant pagoda]

You can't hear ultra sonic

[old marlin]

and ultra sonic speaker is not the same thing as an ultrasonic scanner

[fickle ore]

Oof the article was named craply

[vagrant pagoda]

It's so high frequency that even at high pressure levels it doesn't damage the ear

[fickle ore]

Yeah the article said ultrasound lel

[old marlin]

ye

[vagrant pagoda]

Same with infra sonic

It's so low it doesn't damage hearing

Until it burst your ear drum

[old marlin]

it's also not what they mean

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah they are talking about the sound waves heating up tissue

[old marlin]

but also

and IEM doesn't always use just a dynamic driver

you very often find combinations of BAs and dynamic drivers etc

[vagrant pagoda]

Also not relevant for an Iem

The amount of sound pressure required to heat up tissue ultrasonically

[old marlin]

earbuds are dead

[vagrant pagoda]

Is nuts

[old marlin]

but ig one more funky kind of driver on the pile

can line itself up next to piezos, amts and ribbon drivers

[fickle ore]

Idk, I probably wouldnt wanna be a guinea pig for that

lets see in 10-20 years

[vagrant pagoda]

I've got ribbon tweeter mains in my hifi

Love them

Good full sound that isn't bright

[fickle ore]

I wouldnt wanna have ultrasound blasted in my ears over long periods of time regardless

yeah theres a tech to alleviate the pressure but still

[old marlin]

I mean IEMs for long times are already bad

[vagrant pagoda]

These don't blast ultra

You can't hear ultra

[old marlin]

full seal, not a lot of space

[fickle ore]

they blast ultrasound waves which is pressure, which affects ear canal how?

[vagrant pagoda]

Music doesn't contain ultra sound

[fickle ore]

i dont mean the imaging device

[vagrant pagoda]

Also what audio dac would even produce ultrasound

Mems ultrasound doesn't leave the chip

[fickle ore]

I guess

[astral haven]

no what they would be doing would be to use combinations of ultrasonic frequencies to generate lower frequency tones (in theory)

[vagrant pagoda]

Oh really?

[astral haven]

thats the theory

[vagrant pagoda]

I thought they used a phased array of ultrasonic generators to vibrate a larger membrane

Are they doing the same thing, but just to your ear drum?

[astral haven]

replace "larger membrane" with the air in front of the driver

[vagrant pagoda]

Oh they are going to the air

Why not make them in ear and use the ear drum lol

[astral haven]

because pointing precisely at the eardrum would make these even more insertion dependent than etymotics

the air in front of the driver will always be there

and if its not, there wouldnt be any sound anyways

"A new MEMS tech, called Cypress, forms audible tones by generating and combining ultrasound"

the use of ultrasound as a weapon is useful because of the ability to direct so much of it extremely precisely
if you took the same sonic energy and made it within the normal hearing range, it would also be really awful, except it would be awful for everyone nearby not just the person its directly pointed at

[marsh glade]

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1029432075922702406
Share them juicy deals if you find 'em

[cursive summit]

Resuscitating the ancient thread?

[astral haven]

in terms of how much db to do damage, its around the same level for higher audible frequencies as for ultrasound
and db is just a scale of measuring power, directly convertable to watts per area

[ashen spindle]

https://fxtwitter.com/storagereview/status/1724897674321711525 some nice mi250 vs mi300 hand to hand comparison

[astral haven]

name an iem with serious bass extension that doesnt use a dynamic and i can name 2 that do
most ba's round off hard, and you need many many many of them to get even ok extension

[old marlin]

I meant pure dd iems

[astral haven]

who cares?

[old marlin]

Also single ba sucks

Big surprise

[astral haven]

if over 70% of the iems with good bass extension use dds, for that, and nearly all of the good ones do, then why not be ok with replacing them that dd with a mems, and you can keep whatever they were using for the higher frequencies

[old marlin]

I'd be surprised if mems does better or equal bass extension than a dd

[astral haven]

why?

[old marlin]

Solid state just screams that to me

[astral haven]

define solid state

mems move

and they move incredibly fast

[old marlin]

Yea but only compliantly

No?

[astral haven]

yes and no

these ones will likely be compliant since compliance performs better

dds are compliant btw

so are bas

[old marlin]

Ik bas are

Dds may move compliant but aren't solid state

Since they aren't a single solid material

[astral haven]

again thats why i say define solid state

any definition that relies on specific manufacturing processes is stupid

and any definition that defines it based on materials used will find it hard to separate the two

[old marlin]

Apparently it comes down to if you drive via voltage or current

Sounds odd

[astral haven]

thats independent from the driver tech

[fickle ore]

Do mems move tho?

[astral haven]

yes

[fickle ore]

physically

[astral haven]

yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpatWNi0__o

the first mems devices were printers, but screw that
the next were projectors

[fickle ore]

Ah, "multiple silicon flaps coated in piezoelectric material that vibrate "

Doesnt sound too solid state 😛

[old marlin]

They do move

But they are solid state

[astral haven]

technically since its 1 compliant component, some folks call it solid state

[old marlin]

Since it is a purely compliant movement

Since compliant mechanisms are solid state

[astral haven]

meh that definition of solid state is stupid

[fickle ore]

that sounds incredibly stupid

[old marlin]

It is the definition though

Lol

They even market it as solid state

[astral haven]

🤷 apple markets their phones as being more efficient

but its just a different definition of efficiency

[fickle ore]

Is this movement smaller scale than electrostats?

[old marlin]

Yes

[astral haven]

substantially

think 100s of times smaller
but also 100s of times faster

[fickle ore]

Probably just figured looking at the magnitude of movement and since its microscopic decided to call it solid

[astral haven]

nah

[fickle ore]

what eye cant see

[old marlin]

No

All fully compliant mechanisms are solid state

[astral haven]

also no

[old marlin]

Example?

[astral haven]

the engineering definition of solid state is that the atoms retain fixed positions relative to each other

[old marlin]

They do in compliant mechanisms

[astral haven]

no they do not

[old marlin]

Otherwise they would move plastically

[astral haven]

wrong

[old marlin]

What

[astral haven]

elastic deformation is still deformation

[old marlin]

But then nothing is solid state

[astral haven]

the relative positions of the atoms change
but the chemical bonds dont

[astral haven]

what?

[old marlin]

Since it experiences very small elastic deformations all the time

[astral haven]

the only thing not solid state in a cpu is the electromigration

[old marlin]

Thermal expansion

[fickle ore]

thermal expansion, but thats outside

we cant use that

[old marlin]

Still stretches slightly

[astral haven]

yea but thats an outside effect that is unintended and is uniform within the device

[fickle ore]

yea but then it loses meaning

[fickle ore]

yep

[astral haven]

so the relative positions havent changed

[old marlin]

What

[astral haven]

the size of a square that 4 atoms make up has changed
but it hasnt become a trapezoid

[old marlin]

It kinda has tho

[astral haven]

not within a solid state component

[old marlin]

Ilm and substrate stretch differently

[astral haven]

and those are separate components

[old marlin]

Yes

Means that the silicon will not stretch equally

[astral haven]

the EE definition of solid state btw is "uses semiconductors"

[astral haven]

wrong

[old marlin]

It's not even an equal temp

[astral haven]

the silicon and the other non silicon part dont stretch equally

and because its a non silicon part, its not solid state

[fickle ore]

How about batteries then? Surely there are bond changes

[astral haven]

nope its only electrons moving around

in theory

electrons arent considered atoms

[old marlin]

They got non solid compliments tho

Atm

[astral haven]

not solid state batteries

[old marlin]

Ye

[fickle ore]

You sure? I'm seeing redox reactions? Is it because they're in their solid compartments or what?

[astral haven]

thats liion

not solid state

[fickle ore]

Ah you meant solid state b

[astral haven]

liion uses a liquid

[fickle ore]

im regarded

[old marlin]

Regular batteries aren't solid state anyways

Since they use electrolyte

[fickle ore]

Yeah figured after asking lmfao

[astral haven]

even silver batteries use the oxidization of silver to function, so they arent solid state either

tanalum polymer caps are solid state by the engineering definition, but they dont meet the EE definition

same for ceramics

oh wait no tantalum polymer still isnt solid state

its just much smaller scale movement

[fickle ore]

I like this definition, added that that external effects excluded

@astral haven What about radioactive isotope impurities in semis aside from electromigration causing displacement damage etc?

[old marlin]

Very much counts as unintended

[astral haven]

thats not the devices' method of operation

[fickle ore]

But is not external effect

[astral haven]

its external to your design

unless you included a radioisotope RTG inside your chip as a RNG

[fickle ore]

True, but a flaw in your manufacturing method

[astral haven]

a flaw in your manufacturing that is unintentional

[fickle ore]

Well is it though? Boron has radioactive isotopes and it's a known impurity in silicon

If it's known is it unintentional

[astral haven]

yes

[old marlin]

not if it saves you a buck

[astral haven]

then its intentional

but it wouldnt be intended by the designer, just the manufacturer

also btw boron undergoes beta decay which is an electron (+ some gamma rad)
neither of which are atoms

[old marlin]

Well not impossible to cause some decay otherwise

Just VERY unlikely

[fickle ore]

Lattice diplacement of atoms can be caused by enough kinetic energy. Beta- or beta+ decay as well as gamma produce such energies iirc

[astral haven]

and that wouldnt be intentional

also many rtg generators are considered solid state because the only intended movement is electrons and light

[fickle ore]

it's definitely not an easy concept to define 🙂

[astral haven]

nope

and it doesnt really matter

[fickle ore]

Ofc not but it's fun to imagine

[astral haven]

point is its tough to build a definition of solid state that includes mems and excludes a DD

[fickle ore]

just draw the line where the eye dont see !

[astral haven]

nah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbx-OacUnP0

this aint solid state, and its solidly invisible to the naked eye

[vagrant pagoda]

Wouldnt solid state just be the lack of vacuum gaps?

[astral haven]

🤨

[vagrant pagoda]

Vacuum tubes don't have moving parts

And aren't solid state

Solid state meaning everything stayed solid

[astral haven]

except for the metal ions yeeting back and forth between the anode and cathode

[vagrant pagoda]

Ie no plasma

[astral haven]

?

[short heart]

guys does someone know well how to setup gaming PC? I'm willing to pay if needed

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes solid state is the opposite of a vacuum tube that has gas/plasma

[pale sigil]

If you're in the UK sure for free

[astral haven]

watch the linus tech tips video that guides you through every step

[pale sigil]

or travel

[true quest]

this isn't xbox or ps forcing money from you for basic services lol

[astral haven]

so if you throw your cpu in space its not solid state any more

[ashen spindle]

if you mean do some sketchy "optimization" to windows, just skip it

[vagrant pagoda]

More like it's not part of the design

[short heart]

I have a problem, new case with 5 fans.

Those fans are all linked together and it ends with a vdg and 3 pin

but it's impossible this is for 5 fans

[astral haven]

the mems sensors that get destroyed by helium rely on their vacuum

[short heart]

and I have another cable always linked to the fans that it's not for motheboard

[vagrant pagoda]

Not saying vacuum, vacuum tube

Vacuum tubes rely on electric emissions

[astral haven]

then a transmission of a car would be soilid state lmao

[vagrant pagoda]

In solid state electronics electrons stay inside the solids

[astral haven]

also wrong

leds are solid state

[vagrant pagoda]

Pretty sure solid state definition is lack of thermionic emmisons

[astral haven]

but the electrons are flowing all over the place

[short heart]

how tf can I have argb and power to 5 fans with only this?

[astral haven]

find someone who calls an led not solid state

[pale sigil]

You could daisy chain them

[vagrant pagoda]

Electrons done leave the led, they just move inside

Photons leave

[astral haven]

wrong

[short heart]

they all already connected together

[astral haven]

leds have the electrons jump across the gap, and use the power supply to pump the electrons back around to the other side

[vagrant pagoda]

Band gap isn't a physical gap

It's a p-n junction

The junction is solid

[astral haven]

and it has to jump from the n type to the p type

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes but it's a single solid piece of silicon

Just two different dopings

[astral haven]

but the electrons still leave

[vagrant pagoda]

Never leaves the solid

[astral haven]

wrong

the p type doesnt just fill up with electrons lmao

you have to pull the electrons out and push them into the n type

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes and it's a solid

There isn't a vacuum gap

[astral haven]

thats only true now

[vagrant pagoda]

It's one solid silicon crystal

[astral haven]

doesnt have to be

its just substantially more efficient that way

[vagrant pagoda]

The first led was literally from a chunk of silicon carbide

That had impurities making n-p junctions inside

I can't find any source of a gapped led

[astral haven]

yes because they had already discovered how to make a semiconductor

[vagrant pagoda]

Find me gapped leds

TI and RCA pioneered LEDs and neither ever made them gapped

They were both gaas solid state

[astral haven]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vadim_Lashkaryov

and yes obviously noone made them out of multiple materials because its near impossible to manufacture

[vagrant pagoda]

No gaps

[astral haven]

but the discovery was made via 2 different chemicals mixing

its like making a clutch using 2 air fans to spin each other
like obviously you should use oil but you can in fact use air

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes but sold state LEDs have no gaps

That is a fact

Yes you could make a non solid state led with a gap

[astral haven]

and so noooow the goalpost moves

[vagrant pagoda]

No you are making weird ass requirements like always

All LEDs made are solid state with out gaps

[astral haven]

...

[vagrant pagoda]

Solid state has no gaps

They move inside the solids

No gaps

[astral haven]

they enter on one side and leave the other

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes they never leave the solid

[astral haven]

and in the middle where they pass through a discontinuity in the silicon, they emit light

[vagrant pagoda]

There is no Gap at the band Gap it's a single Crystal

[astral haven]

good for that

[vagrant pagoda]

It's just dope separately on each side

[astral haven]

and while that is true now, the electrons still need to be provided

[vagrant pagoda]

The electrons don't leave the silicon in the band gap

Yes and they do not cross a gap to get in the silicon

[astral haven]

they move from the copper or whatever into the silicon on one side, and out on the other

its not like a capacitor where nothing actually flows

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes the difference between solid state and not solid state is the gap where electrons leave the solids

[astral haven]

oh yea you can make a solid state capacitor too with a vacuum in the middle

in fact you can make a capacitor with a visible gap between the two

human visible

[fickle ore]

Are you sure no electrons are lost outside LED's?

[astral haven]

and itll still be considered solid state

[vagrant pagoda]

Are there actually any vacuum dielectric solid state capacitors.

We learned that vacuum was a horrible dielectric way before semiconductor

[astral haven]

any air dielectric caps that go into space would be

and you can throw a phone on an inductive charger in a vacuum chamber

[vagrant pagoda]

An inductive charger isn't a solid state device lol

[astral haven]

glue them together and it meets your definition

[vagrant pagoda]

No electrons in the air, it's magnetic

[astral haven]

https://www.rfcafe.com/references/electronics-world/solid-state-inductor-electronics-world-september-1969.htm
just like this dood did

[vagrant pagoda]

Electrons leaving is what makes it solid state.

[astral haven]

ok so a vacuum tube is solid state, got it

[vagrant pagoda]

Electronics leave on a vacuum tube

That's what the heater is for

[astral haven]

yes, thats what you said

[vagrant pagoda]

You need thermionic emmisons

[true quest]

oled live

[astral haven]

oh yea oleds

[vagrant pagoda]

Again find me an example of a led with a p-n gap

[astral haven]

oleds

[true quest]

need full money, no deposit this time

[vagrant pagoda]

There is an organic layer between

No gap

[astral haven]

an organic layer between the cathode and anode

[vagrant pagoda]

That is a what state of matter?

[astral haven]

solid

only thing moving is electrons

[vagrant pagoda]

So the electrons travel though a what?

[astral haven]

different material

[vagrant pagoda]

Which is a what state again?

[astral haven]

solid

[vagrant pagoda]

And is there a gap between the layers?

[astral haven]

yep

[vagrant pagoda]

Where

[short heart]

guys it's possible that fans connect with sata directly to psu?

[astral haven]

theres a thing in the middle

[vagrant pagoda]

I see no gap in your diagram

[astral haven]

its different materials fam

[vagrant pagoda]

They are deposited layers

There is no Gap with electrons leaving

[astral haven]

yep

the electrons exit the silicon

enter the dye

then exit the dye, and enter the silicon

then they exit the silicon, and get pumped back to the other side

[vagrant pagoda]

Lmao

So it never leaves

Wtf is your issue then

[astral haven]

???

[vagrant pagoda]

That makes it solid state

[astral haven]

thats like saying water never leaves my toilet

water flows through my toilet

[fickle ore]

photon leaves so no :3

[vagrant pagoda]

In a vacuum tube

The electrons leave and travel freely by themselves

In the vacuum

[fickle ore]

and exciton is annihilated

=leaves

[vagrant pagoda]

In solid state they dont leave the solids by design

How are you that dense

[astral haven]

i think you understand the principle

you just dont know how to type it

if you time step one photon emission in an led
how does that occur?

[vagrant pagoda]

You are so wrapped up with being right to the point of pedantics.

There is no Gap in a led

That's a fact

[astral haven]

good for you, doesnt make you right

me not being wrong doesnt make the opposite true lel

[vagrant pagoda]

What am I wrong about

Solid state means the electrons stay in the solid

[astral haven]

this

[vagrant pagoda]

Disprove that lol

[vagrant pagoda]

Disprove that then

So me the gap?

[astral haven]

have you ever had a battery run out in a flashlight?

[vagrant pagoda]

The electrons don't leave the flashlight

[cursive summit]

Weekly ion vs carmonben chapter again? Exciting

You really are an argumentative bunch

[astral haven]

they leave the battery
enter the led
leave the led
enter the battery on the other side

leds are DC

[fickle ore]

easy, all matter have gaps if we go microscopic enough

[vagrant pagoda]

Omfg I'm not talking about the whole circuit, I'm talking about in the actual function of the led

The electrons stay inside the led as the travel the bandgap

And make light

Ofc they leave the led to make a circuit

Only an idiot would try and make that the point

To disprove

[astral haven]

and the electrons stay within the vacuum tube too

until they leave

[vagrant pagoda]

No they leave the solids

And loads go right out the glass

[astral haven]

getting closer, but that still doesnt account for solid state capacitors

you can put whatever you want in the middle of the solid state cap as long as its not conductive

[vagrant pagoda]

It isn't about caps

We are talking about leds

[astral haven]

caps are solid state

[vagrant pagoda]

Don't change the discussion

[astral haven]

we are talking about solid state

led was an obvious example to disprove the "electron movement" theory

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes don't change off leds

Show me the gap in a led

You said it's there

[astral haven]

[citation needed]

electrons enter and leave the led

and while you can make an led out of different materials with a gap between them like the second inventor did, its stupid because its insanely inefficient

[vagrant pagoda]

Here #🔌│tech message

Show me a gap

[astral haven]

yep and i replied with this dood

[vagrant pagoda]

Link?

[astral haven]

this is the link

[vagrant pagoda]

Where does it show or talk about a gap?

[astral haven]

first dood was like wow whats this mystery light coming from
vad was like wow if i zap these two different materials close together, it do janky bs

the presence of a semiconductor layer between the barrier layer and the adjacent electrode, and the opposite sign of charge carriers (electrons and holes) on both sides of a barrier layer in solar cells of Cu2O and silver sulphide photocells and selenium rectifiers.

[vagrant pagoda]

Vadium was using water deposition solid state transistors

[astral haven]

and they do what exactly 😛