What would you choose? Also is razer good?
#🔌│tech
green remnant
cursive summit
Finalmouse is just.. there
green remnant
Oh thanks
cursive summit
What would you choose? Also is razer good?
Razer's good performance but absolutely horrible software
green remnant
Why are these good specifically
cursive summit
Reliable and good quality I guess
ashen spindle
mi300 is coming out and that product alone is projected as >2billion USD sales in 24 alone, the workstation market aint shit
green remnant
Reliable and good quality I guess
Would you reccomend them for games like valorant or flicky/aim games?
cursive summit
Depends on what skates they have, usually mouses are good for all games lol
hardy idol
mi300 is coming out and that product alone is projected as >2billion USD sales i...
isnt the mi300 a server product
cursive summit
Mousemats are the ones where you choose what sort of "type" you want
ashen spindle
yes its the next gen server gpu product
hardy idol
yeah so.
green remnant
Mousemats are the ones where you choose what sort of "type" you want
Type of what?
hardy idol
not a typical workstation
ashen spindle
yes its not workstation, thats my point, its so much more than the workstation market would be xd
cursive summit
Type of what?
Well there's soft vs hard, made for different glide speeds, etc
green remnant
Well there's soft vs hard, made for different glide speeds, etc
I see
hardy idol
its not the workstation market
nvidia basically killed off their chances with the quadro lineup
misty saffron
Type of what?
type as in write on computer keyboard
green remnant
So you would reccomend lamzu or vaxee over most?
cursive summit
For myself, yes, idk what you care about the most
I hate bloatware so I avoid brands like steelseries, logi, razer
ashen spindle
yes my point is the server market is so much, the workstation market isnt woth for them to consider because it would be less money even if they would get big there
cursive summit
If you don't care, go with Razer probably
hardy idol
yes my point is the server market is so much, the workstation market isnt woth f...
yeah, by now, yeah
it wasnt always like this
green remnant
I hate bloatware so I avoid brands like steelseries, logi, razer
Bloatware?
hardy idol
but now nvidia took over with the quadro lineup and almost noone is considering a radeon pro anymore
which was my point
ashen spindle
yes but I dont think even the entire workstation segmet is worth that much lol
hardy idol
yes but I dont think even the entire workstation segmet is worth that much lol
youd be suprised how much quadros actually get sold
ashen spindle
not really
hollow prism
Bloatware?
additional software for the mouse
ashen spindle
yes my point is it's not worth it in relation
hardy idol
it will not be worth it to boot the segment to life again.
ashen spindle
if they keep up there they wouldnt make even close to that much
so sadly its secondary market
green remnant
So whats the best mice for gaming in terms of quality, reliability and just good in general
hardy idol
if they keep up there they wouldnt make even close to that much
oh no, they will never
they cant even keep up with consumer gpus
ashen spindle
thats not my point xD
hardy idol
it is my point though
even if they tried really hard, they still wouldnt keep up in the workstation segment.
ashen spindle
yes and they wont try hard because the market isnt worth it
hardy idol
they make the radeonpro WX series
hardy idol
yes and they wont try hard because the market isnt worth it
yes
except for, if they had kept up, they would still be there
ashen spindle
but then it still wasnt worth it xD
hardy idol
at this point, they just make the radeonpro wx for fun
ashen spindle
yes
cursive summit
So whats the best mice for gaming in terms of quality, reliability and just good...
I don't know if Vaxee makes wireless mouse, I'd go with Lamzu
Lamzu definitely does and they are good
hollow prism
So whats the best mice for gaming in terms of quality, reliability and just good...
the term "best" is completely subjective. anyone can say whatever mouse is the best then you go and buy it and it feel like absolute shit to you
hardy idol
@ashen spindle even with the products like mi300 etc and other accelerators
are they keeping up?
ashen spindle
oh yes, in the markets that matter for revenue
hardy idol
or are the A## products from nvidia doing a good job at battling those
ashen spindle
are they keeping up?
to have comparisons, in the market they said they project >2 billion, intel is projecting less than half of that
green remnant
What is “4k” on a mouse?
hardy idol
polling rate
but honestly, idk how much that matters from a certain point
they have 8k polling now
ashen spindle
yeah thats some older report on it from someone who isnt vert technical
hardy idol
and idk if you will gain any noticable benefit from that
hardy idol
yeah thats some older report on it from someone who isnt vert technical
we'll see
ashen spindle
sure, dec 6 is the full reveal of everything
hardy idol
i guess they're all pretty close here
the H100 is already an older card so I guess we'll see nvidia reply to the mi300 stuff soon
My laptop just reminded me why im replacing it by freezing yet again
ashen spindle
sure but the memory capacity alone is already more than even next gen nvidia can do
and thats a important one for datacenter, LLM training especially
hardy idol
for that, yeah
kinda case dependant on what to go for I guess
same with the desktop stuff
If I didn't need an ST worker I would've likely gone AMD
I mean I can still switch but
ashen spindle
I mean its not a big difference
hardy idol
idk your have to compare their ipc and clocks
but tests show the 13th gen was already better ST
and the 14th gen is basically the 13th gen with a ribbon
hardy idol
In multicore workloads amd goes ahead but honestly
a few years ago we were used to having under 10 cores
neon moth
just upgraded my motherboard Cpu and memory, but Pc won’t turn on. Yes the PSU is on anyone have any ideas
ashen spindle
check what leds are on on the board and check the manual for error codes
and honestly amd isnt the clear winner in MT now but its really a mix of either one winning currently
adobe ST benchmark for example:
hardy idol
yeah but if I've learnt anything it's that adobe is uhh
astral haven
Premier is Mt BTW just bad at it
ashen spindle
oh was it photoshop that was ST heavy and I'm mixing them up
hardy idol
and honestly amd isnt the clear winner in MT now but its really a mix of either ...
still
with solidworks being autistic and historically always having preferred intel
neon moth
anyone have ideas to why it won’t turn on?
misty saffron
no power probably
ashen spindle
check what leds are on on the board and check the manual for error codes
misty saffron
oh there’s context
neon moth
there are no leds on the board
astral haven
still
with solidworks being autistic and historically always having preferred in...
Tldr read benchmarks for the apps you need
misty saffron
listen to the beeps
neon moth
no beeps it won’t even boot a little
ashen spindle
is solidworks even a cpu heavy thing? benchmarks for it list the gpus instead
hardy idol
Tldr read benchmarks for the apps you need
Yeah almost noone benchmarks solidworks nowadays
it used to be puget but they don't do it anymore
astral haven
is solidworks even a cpu heavy thing? benchmarks for it list the gpus instead
Depends on the task you are trying to do
hardy idol
Modelling is CPU
misty saffron
are there benchmarks for dota 2
astral haven
The renderer is awful but is also used and gpu accelerated
hardy idol
rendering is gpu but I can render overnight and while I'm at work
halcyon willow
What would you choose? Also is razer good?
what did you end up choosing? for the love of God, do NOT get a glorious mouse
hardy idol
I want speed when modelling because that's where it gets frustrating to wait
@astral haven I remember we've talked about it before
astral haven
Don't recognize the name but I do know I've talked about it before with someone
hardy idol
Well, yesterday was the day the laptop became autistic so I've made a quick configuration for my next workstation
ashen spindle
i mean looking at old puget numbers
ashen spindle
is this a modelling part or also render?
framerate while rotating
I assume thats the thing, framerate while manipulating things?
hardy idol
that's probablythe framerate when rotating the model while modelling yes
ashen spindle
yeah their up to date article recommends the 14700k but no testing data to show why lol
but any framerate test from the 2020 data shows its like all the same nearly and more heavy on the gpu
and then file access which also depends on ram, storage etc.
hardy idol
Actual operations, like selecting 400 lines etc
if I try that rn o
on my laptop, it takes like 2 minutes
so I kinda don't do patterns much
ashen spindle
makes sense lol
hardy idol
although I did go through the pain of drawing the wristrest rest
and when I selected all lines perpendicular to the plate surface (for filletting)
it took so incredibly long and after a few minutes the laptop crashed
I did it in 2 or 3 operations now
took a lot of time to select each line individually
This is why, I will love an upgrade 😂
ashen spindle
any proper desktop will be making it 10x better than that laptop xD
hardy idol
I know lmao
Back then I needed the portability for school
i7 9750H RTX 2080 Max Q and i think 24 or 32 gb of ram
it wasn't bad but
hardy idol
I was coming from a Xeon E5 1660 0 with 64gb of ram and an RX Vega64
ashen spindle
hahaha
hardy idol
😕
It's been an okay laptop though
Always loved the keyboard placement and the touchpad/numpad combonation
very practical
I always said, a laptop is destined to live for 5 years then die
It didn't even get to the 5 year mark
ashen spindle
5 years then you give it to family so they have something faster to check emails 
hardy idol
It was the Netherlands first Zephyrus S with an i7 9750H (I imported it from the States because the 9750H was available there like 3 months earlier)
hardy idol
5 years then you give it to family so they have something faster to check emails...
vram issue it randomly freezes the screen
ashen spindle
ah rip
hardy idol
sometimes it's fine for hour
sometimes it freezes on startup
and because it's a fucking laptop
can't replace and go
green remnant
what did you end up choosing? for the love of God, do NOT get a glorious mouse
A lamzu
misty saffron
i didn’t like my friend’s lamzu mouse
battery life too shit and felt too lightweight
2 days vs 2 weeks on my superlight… yeah nah thanks
green remnant
2 days vs 2 weeks on my superlight… yeah nah thanks
How long does it take to charge though?
misty saffron
i don’t care as long as it’s inconvenient personally
and charging any normally wireless device is inconvenient
astral haven
my superlight hasnt been plugged in in nearing on 2 years
gusty kiln
my superlight hasnt been plugged in in nearing on 2 years
due to lack of use?
though a superlight at 125hz polling rate would prob easily last half a year
zenith silo
2 days vs 2 weeks on my superlight… yeah nah thanks
2 days battery life mustve been on 4k polling
on 4k mine only last a few days, on 1k it lasts over 2 weeks
astral haven
due to lack of use?
lol no i use the charging pad
pale sigil
my superlight hasnt been plugged in in nearing on 2 years
Does it count if I have a dock
That it magnetically chargers
astral haven
magnetically = plugged in
pale sigil
Fu
astral haven
inductively = wireless
pale sigil
No wires
It's magic
Wait
Wait
It's the same shit
I use wireless charging but the magnet stops it from falling
So it counts!
halcyon willow
wireless mice when they need a wired mousepad to charge
pale sigil
Tbh that does boggle my brains
Old pic but I love it so much
£10!
Lights are always off though
pale sigil
imagine having a mouse that needs to charge smh
I can't go back to wired
final flame
not talking wired, talking a wireless mouse that you don't have to charge for months
final flame
g305 and MX master both don't ever require charging often
goes to show how much rgb matters towards battery life
pale sigil
I liked the 305 but my hands are to big
pale sigil
g305 and MX master both don't ever require charging often
goes to show how much ...
Tbf it's the same shit with g703
I turned all RGB off and it adds days lol
final flame
my g703 I don't ever use, it's just off on standby I don't remember the last time I charged it
I just don't like the mouse, I got it as a replacement gaming mouse, but then I just ended up gaming with my MX master
pale sigil
I have two because Logitech didn't want my old one back even though I did a warranty because of the side button having no tactile feedback but still working
I ended up fixing it myself
So now I use the spare for traveling
final flame
the only thing I use it for is minecraft pvp, since my mx master isn't good at registering a lot of clicks per second
final flame
I want logitech to create a gaming mx master without the soft touch finnish
maybe I'll make my own eventually, just toss a gaming sensor in there in a custom resin body moulded off of the mx master
leave the weight as is, only change the sensor and the body material
pale sigil
Well now that I think about it
I'm going to explore 3d printing with the new mouse
*spare mouse
final flame
the mx master is the perfect weight and shape for me
gives me really good control when it comes to microadjustments since it's heavy and has a nice thumb rest
pale sigil
I also have a spare Cooler Master MM711
Which is brand new in the box
It cost me £5 
iron wave
How the heck do you do a global nullable C function pointer in Rust? I can't figure it out.
I normally don't use such an asinine language, please help. .-.
gusty kiln
lol no i use the charging pad
lol so you're the reason why they didn't remove that in the GPX2
hollow prism
with my gpro and gpro superlight i can get 2-3 weeks normally, ive honestly forgot it needs to charge sometimes till it dies when im using it 😂
iron wave
Someone else helped.
proven furnace
Does wooting have its pcb available?
Because I’d love to just get that instead of a new keyboard
cunning smelt
Does anyone know why my ethernet port at the back of my pc flashes orange? isnt it meant to be green? or is it normal
halcyon moss
Check your manual. Could be a speed thing
halcyon willow
we're all a bunch of dumbfuck non-manualreaders in V''s eyes.
Good.
halcyon moss
we're all a bunch of dumbfuck non-manualreaders in V''s eyes.
Is he wrong?
hardy idol
nope
old marlin
I mean if you wanna know why it is glowing amber rtfm
educated guess would be not a 1G port
so it is amber at 1G speed
umbral heron
@fair gull I have read proposal for Article 45, it looks like everyone is talking about this point:
- Qualified certificates for website authentication referred to in paragraph 1 shall be recognised by web-browsers. For those purposes web-browsers shall ensure that the identity data provided using any of the methods is displayed in a user friendly manner. Web-browsers shall ensure support and interoperability with qualified certificates for website authentication referred to in paragraph 1, with the exception of enterprises, considered to be microenterprises and small enterprises in accordance with Commission Recommendation 2003/361/EC in the first 5 years of operating as providers of web-browsing services.
Which theoretically means that if governmental or government-backed CA's certificate is compromised or misused it cannot be removed from web browsers without going with the whole process with EU. Now if government uses its certificates to do mitm attack browser devs and CAs can just revoke this certificate, no problem. The difference after will be that browser devs cannot remove those certificates before the whole process, only users can deactivate them, so it's a big issue with less-technical users who don't even know what it is.
Overall new proposal looks really cool, you can use your certificate essentially as unified electronic ID for the whole EU, which is nice, the only thing is that they haven't really thought out is revoking and reissuing certificate.
latent mural
we aint readin allat
reef patrol
Speak for yourself.
cursive summit
Speak for yourself.
They are
reef patrol
"we"
cursive summit
Just a superlative on their inability to read skills
reef patrol
I'll give YOU a superlative.
cursive summit
A positive one?
marsh glade
Most likely to troll on Discord
marsh glade
Most inane humor
cursive summit
Sure, I'll accept anything at this point
latent mural
📖 me reading the paragraph
cursive summit
De-clickbaiter?
misty saffron
cursive summit
I like how LTT is prolly one of the mainer reasons such extensions exist
pale sigil
The pic you said looks like there aren't any changes?
Oh it's the title
Lol
I'm using that one
misty saffron
it's pretty big already, rarely get horrible clickbait on the home page
twin vessel
Does it make a difference if I use "any" USB c cable to connect my wooting or shall I use the cable that came with the keyboard? Background of my question is that I have done neat cable management and I would have to rewire.
umbral heron
Does it make a difference if I use "any" USB c cable to connect my wooting or sh...
"Any" USB cable might not work properly, higher quality will, but some cheapo random one may not
twin vessel
@umbral heron I am specifically talking about the cable that came with my Apex pro mini that is now to be replaced with the wooting
cursive summit
Wooting will come with its own cable, not sure why you wouldn't use that
umbral heron
<@351793002278289410> I am specifically talking about the cable that came with m...
Ya, it should do the job
twin vessel
Thanks!
umbral heron
https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/11/google_proxy_plan_cma/
On one hand - good! Hiding IP from fingerprinting is a good idea
On another - not so much, as Google will surely still use IP pulled out from browser directly for advertising
cursive summit
Not too sure why people use Chrome so much
It doesn't really come pre-installed, never has unless you chromebook or buy an android phone
Yet it's so damn popular
Especially when it's just worse than other browsers lol
crimson wigeon
Because Google demands you install it or else
reef patrol
It doesn't really come pre-installed, never has unless you chromebook or buy an ...
That's why.
umbral heron
Chromium has PWA and hardware support for it going, that's why you can run Wootility and PWA apps like Teams in Chromium
Not so much in Firefox, at least without add-ons
umbral heron
AI-generated mouse 
hardy idol
their repairability is on another level!
Exactly what we need in this society that's already suffering from it's consumerism while trying to promote eco stuff and climate
old marlin
AI-generated mouse <a:lull:821815530431971358>
yea
generative design is AI
eh
I mostly agree
but if they want to keep developing the market we will see either that or hybrid material mice
but also, for a full shell mouse we don't need internal structure already
hardy idol
not right now, except gigapressing etc is already starting to gain popularity
It's good for manufacturing, terrible from a repairability perspective
old marlin
that is not hypercar stuff tho
umbral heron
I wonder if it'd be possible to replicate zeromouse design from optimum's video and feed it to AI to further improve it 
old marlin
It's good for manufacturing, terrible from a repairability perspective
doesn't make a difference to repairability
in comparison to a unibody
hardy idol
whatever is in hypercars right now, will find it's way into consumer road cars within the next 15 years
old marlin
doubt it
what they show off is SLS metal
doesn't scale well
I can't imagine drum breaks are that much cheaper to produce and mount
hardy idol
bla bla hybrid is never going to be good for road cars
then suddenly
P1 LaFerrari and 918
now there's a lot of hybrid stuff
cabbon fibbah
aluminium
and more exotic materials
old marlin
tbh
I doubt hybrid will ever take off that big
looks more like the majority will transition from ICE to BEV
wdym
ah
hardy idol
sales numbers tell a different story
We have a hybrid that doesn't have a rubber band transmission
loads of those exist
Nope
nope
both on the rear axle
through the same transmission
It's not a cvt
frozen ingot
I know there's a decent amount of cvt copers out there
yeah EV cops would never fly here
would be a nightmare wintertime
hardy idol
Meh I drift the hybrid
ours is fine
But a lot of em are economy cars, FWD, indeed CVT, and small
Oh yeah
they don't like resistance
because it's basically a rubber band on two cones
hahaha
S213 E300e
2.0 turbo i4 paired with an electric motor
frozen ingot
like every other car ever made in 2023 it seems
that cursed 2l turbo i4 is everywhere now 
crude ridge
me, selling my stock mint condition s2k for thousands, sitting now on a VW 9n 2004 without caring about anything xD
hardy idol
this is basically it's layout @prisma crag
122hp
very small 13.4 battery but ev range is good for around town and a bit more it's like 40-50km
new model got the bigger battery as it's been designed to have the battery from the start
new model does over 100km EV range
frozen ingot
they have like no EV only range
hardy idol
half of it but I personally never use it because I could care less about driving electric
I like it for the added performance
frozen ingot
I looked at one of those mercs few years ago for company car
hardy idol
It's 40-50km, it's nice for around town
frozen ingot
its mostly there to curb fuel consumption on the ICE
hardy idol
very small 13.4 battery but ev range is good for around town and a bit more it's...
Like I said here
frozen ingot
and for very short EV trips yeah
hardy idol
I never really care about fuel efficiency when I drive that
because
This is the alternative
So I'm already miles more efficient
Could care less about driving in eco mode in the E300e
Sport all the way
nah
it'll cost more than it'll save
in both environmental and financial way
as if being on 4 leaf springs, without seatbelts
outcornering modern economy hatches and doing 170kph with steering that's more guesswork than the average TV show wasn't enough
Currently I have a different project
When that's finished I either start the trabant or the chevy
I want a fleetside bed
original would be stepside but imo that looks ass
Flatbed like rn is useable
I kinda want the cameo carrier bed but that's the weakest bed of all, and would reduce its functionality to a similar level of a modern truck
hardy idol
But I'd want the clean one
yea
the time where fuel was like water in america
although this is the first gen with the "small block" engine
umbral heron
The time is nigh
HDR is coming to Linux 🥳 https://www.phoronix.com/news/Plasma-6.0-Wayland-Default
hardy idol
wheat plume
The time is nigh
HDR is coming to Linux 🥳 https://www.phoronix.com/news/Plasma...
Gamescope already has it!
But I'm guessing it'll be harder to get it working on kwin
umbral heron
Gamescope sure
But HDR working outside anything that Valve made, and on Wayland for that matter, that's a big news
wheat plume
Yep!
severe phoenix
Yeah I mean, I figure it was certainly CGI because of how complicated this would be
pale sigil
Omg it had a door
reef patrol
But probably cheaper than CGI.
old marlin
pale sigil
Open box models?
old marlin
They sell refurb ones
severe phoenix
I mean those have clearly been removed from packaging
old marlin
Which includes open box
severe phoenix
Cant be sold as new
old marlin
Maybe they don't sell at all
fickle ore
ashen spindle
Title already tells me Steve is wrong on the technical aspects
severe phoenix
ashen spindle
It’s a whitelist that disables e cores basically
old marlin
Amazing fix
Thing that you should consider doing anyways
If you care about the extra fps
So perf difference prob purely comes from the higher available cache for p-cores?
ashen spindle
Well some games are profiting from ecores so becomes more of a mess
old marlin
Mmh
ashen spindle
But yeah it’s a solution for a self inflicted issue
vagrant pagoda
I mean that's the AMD fix for X3D
vagrant pagoda
Cherry picking what apps/games run good with clocks or cache and setting affinity is barely a fix
old marlin
Yea but the 7800x3d doesn't need it at all
Only the 2ccd ones do
And i am still questioning their existence
ashen spindle
I mean its the same as intel does with APO not like they find out what it runs better with and adjust it based on that
difference is e waste cores can make it really bad, worst case v cache gets it and it misses out a the few mhz
astral haven
except
with or without e cores, intel is at the top of the graphs
but on the amd side, vcache doesnt guarantee you an improvement
ashen spindle
but more importantly the fix cant just be done on 12th gen thats why I said steve was wrong without even seeing the video
astral haven
why not?
ashen spindle
it would likely regress performance because uncore speed drops when unparking e cores
on ADL
astral haven
🤷 and this is not fixable why?
ashen spindle
becuase thats how alder lake is, they fixed it on raptor lake
astral haven
uncore clock can be manually adjusted by the end user
why not a bios update?
again intel could chose to fix it, they just CBA
ashen spindle
sounds like what they would never do for something tiny like this
since that would then mean overclocking technically
astral haven
-_-
obviously they would never do it, but im saying they easily could
ashen spindle
is that even something you can change from outside of bios while its running?
astral haven
yes
literally only thing that cant be changed is CL
every other clock and voltage can be changed
solar reef
Som1 got a good fast Mouse for me ?
old marlin
Dav3 wired
ashen spindle
still seems like something that wouldnt work if they at first had to make it drop uncore for that at all so just ignoring a ghz drop sounds like something not every cpu could do or just crash most
astral haven
still seems like something that wouldnt work if they at first had to make it dro...
ok?
well how about they make the feature available, disabled by default, and a warning message
then we can decide for ourselves if we want it
just because intel wouldnt do it doesnt mean we shouldnt expect the best
we are paying money for product, and a 10% boost is quite extreme
ashen spindle
sure but out of warranty OC tool vs something very clearly keeping in the OC and tested guidelines is a big difference froma legal standpoint alone
astral haven
its really not
even if it is not an "oc tool" they can make it a beta bios and say no warranty from that regardless of oc status
vagrant pagoda
It's total possible
astral haven
its not because it couldnt be done, but get wrecked for not buying our "latest" and "greatest" products
vagrant pagoda
I bet it only effects 13th because it shares bios/microcode
ashen spindle
I also said it cant just be done by just letting it be done on that, I never said its impossible
vagrant pagoda
If there was a simple way to make it 14th only, Intel would have done that
ashen spindle
13th gen someone will make it work if intel doesnt since its literally the same silicon so I dont see anything bad happening
ashen spindle
oh sure but possible and there are people who do nothing but that sort of shit and sleep
astral haven
its been a whil e since we had hacked microcode
ashen spindle
when was the last time where all you needed to change would be the check that it says 13 instead of 14 (or whatever hexcode it checks for)
is it even the bios setting thats disabled or the desktop APO option that blocks if not 14th gen?
ashen spindle
they had some software that made a difference?
astral haven
yup
ashen spindle
which ones
astral haven
functioning whatsoever
ashen spindle
I dont follow
astral haven
9k "wasnt compatible" with z170
6k "wasnt compatible" with z370
bit of bios hackery and thats solved
ashen spindle
yeah and I remember people hacking that after a bit
but not like you had big in socket upgrades those gens even if that was possible nor were boards as expensive so I just think the incentive wasnt there
astral haven
8100 was a killer cpu and would have been even more killer if the boards were half the price
ashen spindle
I have that one lel
needed something cheap while they replace my 8700k that killed itself on first week
astral haven
lmao yikes
8350k was also sweet
last processor besides the new xeons to support overclocking ecc ram
and no i dont count taking ram, disabling ecc and overclocking that to be overclocking ecc ram
oh wait no nvm the 9350k did too
ashen spindle
oof intel missed its chance to get the #1 spot in the top500
seems aurora was not tuned in time for a submission
and next year el capitain will be so far ahead of it
astral haven
they run every month wdym?
ashen spindle
the top500 list is a yearly thing
astral haven
oh right not every month, just november and june
ashen spindle
well not set dates because the conferences might be different but yeah
i guess there is a small chance el capitanis not done with the rollout in time for the spring submission
astral haven
either way amd hitting intel where it hurts
at the top of graphs
also today i learned the galaxy xcover /active series can run without a battery
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php
and microsd and 3.5 jack
and the batteryless mode is useable since the battery is hotswap
xcover version of actual flagship when?
main cam is under half an inch sensor 😬
ashen spindle
oh I also peaked a second into reddit about mi300, people were saying H100 is better because they compared the numbers gotten from the amd presentation that were sustained vs nvidias peak numbers lmfao
ashen spindle
so?
that goes for both lol
but comparing numbers where on top500 they are like 50% difference on the same system is quite a bit off
astral haven
wait how many gpus were nvidia and amd showing off?
i cant imagine they went over the limits of infiniband/nvlink respectively
ashen spindle
for the top500 submissions?
astral haven
amd and nv were showing off top500 subs?
ashen spindle
oh for that nah
nah that was just some reddit post about the numbers amd showed a while ago
nothing new since then, gotta wait a month
astral haven
hmm i cant find how much memory is addressable on mi300?
it seems that its limited to what its got on board the die
so max of 512 via cpu
ashen spindle
dont think that was made known yet
hardy idol
@ashen spindle @astral haven
H200 is announced
astral haven
what do you think we were talking about?
ashen spindle
yeah h200 is just more of the same though
astral haven
h200 = h100 tho practically
ashen spindle
and GH200 not this year
hardy idol
small refresh
ashen spindle
its basically just a bigger memory SKU
astral haven
and its not even their biggest memory sku since h100 nvl already exists and is 1 package
hardy idol
lol
astral haven
its more scalable tho since you can only do 128x h100nvl where you can do 256xh200 or normal h100
astral haven
no
thats the max they will guarantee will work however without it being called an oc
its the same as 5200mt/s on amd
hardy idol
Yeah right. a memory OC is not advisable or
astral haven
which is real unfortunate, because in the past they used to guarantee that speed at max capacity, now they only guarantee that speed for 1 stick per channel just the same as amd has always done
astral haven
Yeah right. a memory OC is not advisable or
highly advisable for everything besides x3d where its much more minor
astral haven
why
hardy idol
but how high are we daring to go
hardy idol
You reckon it'd defeat the i7 in solidworks workloads, mainly modeling?
And I don't really feel it with the X3D stuff, i heard it had some issues
astral haven
id be shocked if it didnt win
its very very good for speeding up poorly optimized apps
smoky frigate
I hear memory compatibility is especially spotty with amd at the momen
sharp badger
Using this with my 12700K
astral haven
the 7950x3d has issues because its half x3d and half normal
astral haven
exactly
hardy idol
there's at least 7 ways to do anything
astral haven
might want to check disk usage while selecting stuff
and i mean disk usage in resource monitor not task manager
hardy idol
btw you might legit get a better upgrade from faster ssd
yes and no
ive always been skeptical about this
because solidworks files are
just a few MB
astral haven
i say might bc i have no idea
hardy idol
I dont think so personally
astral haven
ICE speeds up 10x with a faster ssd
hardy idol
The file is loaded up into the RAM and edited there I guess?
its a few MB only
so it always fits
astral haven
something that takes 2 minutes to do doesnt seem like its all in ram
hardy idol
But it doesnt mean
that I wont go for a fast SSD
I want more info on this 7800X3D vs the i7 14700k in solidworks
astral haven
dont we all :/
dreamy tendon
faster SSDs can provide more random reads and write performance, which would prob provide more of an improvement instead of seq w/r
sharp badger
7900X for Productivity imo.
astral haven
not solidworks
hardy idol
solidworks is a very uh
lets just call it autistic
application
historically, intel FTW for solidworks
astral haven
nah thats an insult to all people with ASD
hardy idol
solidworks LOVES high clocks
dreamy tendon
then the intel cpu would prob do better
x3d chips are clock limited out of the gate
vagrant pagoda
Autodesk inventor loves x3d
astral haven
solidworks LOVES high clocks
on old chips with little cache
we dont have current menchbarks
hardy idol
yeah because pugetsystems are fucktards who dont test for solidworks anymore
sharp badger
Would the CAD applications utilise the L3 cache at all?
astral haven
ofc
hardy idol
linustechtips did test solidworks iirc in a video but
smoky frigate
14th gen intel CPUs also get APO, which makes e-cores a lot better. in typical intel fashion, this software solution to e-cores being crap is not supported on 12th and 13th gen processors LOL
hardy idol
the controversy
dreamy tendon
APO only works on 2 games
astral haven
14th gen intel CPUs also get APO, which makes e-cores a lot better. in typical i...
or on any random program
hardy idol
APO only works on 2 games
zamn
dreamy tendon
you'd pretty much be praying for intel to implement more support
dreamy tendon
it is promising, just in typical tech fashion releasing something that's still in infancy stage
astral haven
and theres no guarantee of inevitability
astral haven
its likely few people will buy 14th gen because of how awful it is, and they wont dedicate any dev time to it
hardy idol
i might do it because no use buying a 13th now but its definitely not worth upgrading to if you have a 12th or 13th gen
vagrant pagoda
Would the CAD applications utilise the L3 cache at all?
Cache is important for anything that does repetitive computations
smoky frigate
and to be fair, why support only 2 random old games... wonder if it has measurable advantages in other apps/games they have tested
ashen spindle
most apps will just get updates where e cores arent making performance worse and then APO wont make any difference anymore either
hardy idol
Cache is important for anything that does repetitive computations
aka continuously building the part up from the feature tree, with the added mutations i guess
vagrant pagoda
Now size of cache is important the worse your program is optimized
astral haven
or if you have that much data to work on at a time
vagrant pagoda
or if you have that much data to work on at a time
Eh if you have a well optimized linear program cache would get fed fast enough
dreamy tendon
FN + 1/2/etc
astral haven
Eh if you have a well optimized linear program cache would get fed fast enough
literally no by definition
stray heart
FN + 1/2/etc
i dont Get it??
hardy idol
but
vagrant pagoda
Cache to memory is latency not bandwidth limit
hardy idol
if i got a core i9 now\
astral haven
#1019755933959733258 @stray heart
hardy idol
im not sure how much better it would perform
dreamy tendon
you hold down the FN key, and then press the number keys like 1, 2, 3, etc corresponding to F1/F2/F3
vagrant pagoda
So if the CPU can feed the cache with predictable data
astral haven
im not sure how much better it would perform
yes and to figure that out we need benchmarks
stray heart
you hold down the FN key, and then press the number keys like 1, 2, 3, etc corre...
ik but it dosent wotk
astral haven
it happens tho
hardy idol
i9 has ever so slightly more cache, but the i7 can probably be clocked higher because less heat generation
dreamy tendon
have you checked in wootility your layers?
hardy idol
But that is almost never the case
solidworks will never fail to suprise me
astral haven
i9 has ever so slightly more cache, but the i7 can probably be clocked higher be...
not for a single core
dreamy tendon
your second layer should show u all the bindings for when you hold down FN key
vagrant pagoda
In my experience the irony is the more unstable the program the faster it runs on more cache lol
hardy idol
its not necessarily unstable
dreamy tendon
would the built in benchmark of solidworks be of any use?
astral haven
there isnt a built in benchmark for the non rendering aspect
sharp badger
https://www.igorslab.de/en/raptor-lake-resfresh-with-the-intel-core-i9-14900k-core-i7-14700k-and-core-i5-14600k-hot-dragonrbattle-in-the-energetic-final-stage/8/ AutoCAD but yeah some tests
astral haven
rendering it who cares you can go do something else while it renders, the part that is slow is manipulating objects
hardy idol
autocad is comparable but autocad was rebuilt completely from the ground up a few years ago
so its a
'better' application
more smooth i guess
vagrant pagoda
autocad is comparable but autocad was rebuilt completely from the ground up a fe...
Inventor was not
hardy idol
inventor is still the
old thing whatever it was?
our company has used inventor but until like, 2013 i think?
hardy idol
https://www.igorslab.de/en/raptor-lake-resfresh-with-the-intel-core-i9-14900k-co...
If the applications are comparable
and im unsure
but then the AMDs are kinda
ehh
vagrant pagoda
Inventor and Revit are the flagships
hardy idol
wait
so thats the story
autocad is just the thing they promote the fuck of though for students etc
but if you wanna get serious you still need to pay for inventor
makes sense
but why not revise your top tier application
sharp badger
I'd choose AMD if i'd build a pc today, the EOL 1700 socket is meh but i have a 12700K so i can still upgrade
hardy idol
I'd choose AMD if i'd build a pc today, the EOL 1700 socket is meh but i have a ...
this is a point, I guess.
so i could go ryzen now
and switch back to whatever is better
once AMD and Intel have both shown their new products at the end of next year
AMD beginning of next year but no comparison yet ofc
hardy idol
god I thought I was going to get a burner gpu but i guess i might even do it for the cpu
i mean the timing of my laptop sucks balls
because nvidia refresh and amd new shit coming next year
astral haven
refresh is 🤷
sharp badger
There's always new stuff coming
hardy idol
smoky frigate
there is always the next big thing coming, and there is never an ideal time for getting a new computer
hardy idol
but i guess when it does this
hardy idol
there is always the next big thing coming, and there is never an ideal time for ...
yeah but now is less optimal than Q2 next year
buy intel and itll be shit from the get go, except for the performance
buy amd and itll be shit within half a year
because next gen Zen
will be gucci
sharp badger
Those Macbook Pro displays are damn good though
hardy idol
yknow
fuck it ill just get the cheaper 7800X3D
because both gens are kinda meh rn theyre both kinda at the end
astral haven
Those Macbook Pro displays are damn good though
aint emissive
hardy idol
and if I choose AMD I might get to reuse the mainboard
astral haven
unlikely
sharp badger
AM5 will probably be supported until 2026
astral haven
wont be a cpu fasterrer enough to warrant upgrading on the same socket
hardy idol
7800X3D better resale maybe?
astral haven
maybe
hardy idol
who knows i guess ill gamble
astral haven
definetly less value lost
hardy idol
itll be an upgrade either way
smoky frigate
AMD is a safe bet
sharp badger
Black Friday is like a week~ away though
hardy idol
honestly its cheaper so indeed less value lost but I kinda wanna see what AMD does for solidworks nowadays
hardy idol
Black Friday is like a week~ away though
how much will the fake deals save me
smoky frigate
been encoding videos at 4K for days now, with the 12700KF running at or close to 100 degrees. might need a new CPU soon lol!
hardy idol
i like you
taskbar at the top kinda guy
I did that too when i used windows as my main os
and it was very easy when i used the wacom
because easier to move the pen up than crunch your hand for down
smoky frigate
that's GNOME, it has a small bar on the top and I also have an application bar on the left. very efficient
hardy idol
yeah but i wanted to say ii did it on windows
because i never did it on arch
i never really used the tablet anymore i guess
sharp badger
Depends here it's the lowest it have been since release
hardy idol
7800x3d here
This is the 5800 X
last year
the lowest price (green) was pretty constant during november
actually became less after black friday
while the average
got spiked to be able to present people with huge deals
I dont think I'll wait for black friday
sharp badger
It dipped here during Black Friday or rather Cyber Monday, it was actually the best during ''Christmas sales'' (5800X3D)
smoky frigate
what about the 7950x3d? seems to do considerably better in applications than the 7800x3d, and is about 250bux more
smoky frigate
okay, in that case probably not. but conversely, why spend about 400bux on a mid cpu now, if spending ~60% more will get you one of the best consumer CPUs that you will not have to upgrade for a while
hardy idol
okay, in that case probably not. but conversely, why spend about 400bux on a mid...
no im upgrading to the new gen when I can
it is written
smoky frigate
that obviously is much more multi threaded
oh okay. looking at single thread comparisons, there is much less of a divide
ashen spindle
I mean it could be one way or the other those things arent all the same
if they have the renderview AVX accelerated zen4 is going to be much faster, could be multi threaded but only 4 cores etc.
smoky frigate
only about 10% slower in single thread according to PassMark, which is pretty gud
hardy idol
btw you might legit get a better upgrade from faster ssd
define a fast ssd though
like
astral haven
optane
astral haven
$1/gb approx, between the same and 10x faster depending on the workload
up to 100x in some workloads
hardy idol
Though I might go for 2x 1TB and then a big harddrive or 2.5 SSD for storage
astral haven
beeg nvme is now getting reasonable for storage
with optane you would go 400gb optane (at most) then 2tb or 4tb normal nvme
vagrant pagoda
Rip optane
pale sigil
Anyone here using home assistant
vagrant pagoda
Yep I wish 5800x wasn't a grand still
astral haven
thats how it be :/
vagrant pagoda
905p is cheap ag
hardy idol
regarding this though, is that true?
astral haven
yea you can get a 905p for cheap
vagrant pagoda
I got my 960gb for 250
astral haven
you wouldnt get 2tb optane
vagrant pagoda
With 100% life
astral haven
With 100% life
has anyone managed to shave off anything off an optane lel?
vagrant pagoda
Yeah 905p 960GB is 299 new in ebay
astral haven
"new"
astral haven
1/10th the speed tho
hardy idol
yes but
astral haven
also i would advise getting a smaller optane
hardy idol
infinite money is not for me
vagrant pagoda
It's my boot drive
astral haven
small optane is cheaper
vagrant pagoda
And I literally never seen Windows say more than 1% utilization
hardy idol
infinite money is not for me
i phrased that incredibly bad
astral haven
what
hardy idol
2x m.2 and one 2.5
vagrant pagoda
Then get a second GPU and run into VM like a real nerd
hardy idol
@prisma crag I decided to switch it up and get burner parts for the processor
since youre the most likely to know this
if i get a 7800x3d as a burner
and get the 6000 cl30 ram everyone recommends
why is the
samsung vs hynix shit still going on
astral haven
intel likey da speed
hardy idol
ill look for it
astral haven
yea maybe but good luck dailying an xmp of that
hardy idol
@prisma crag is this true tho
do we want hynix stuff
and is this how you can tell
last time i looked at this was when ryzen 2 came out lmao
taichi board too expensive for a burner setup
hahaha
taichi looks good tho
astral haven
yea but booting and stable are different things
gentle osprey
astral haven
and an optane with a cheap board would be the same price as taichi and no optane
gentle osprey
Intel: “nobody is buying our 13th gen refresh?!?! , Quick, make E Cores actually work!”
Fuck Intel lol
hardy idol
watch me paint it
old marlin
who tampered with it
pale sigil
Guess I better get the Pi out
hardy idol
If I "accidentally" get a higher speed kit I can detune it I assume
QVL for the board right
ok good lord
gentle osprey
It’s not
hardy idol
i have no clue but
astral haven
if you want capacity you will not be able to hit 6400
hardy idol
if you want capacity you will not be able to hit 6400
32-48
astral haven
32 ez
48 good luck
hardy idol
why
latent mural
Does anyone know how to replace the springs for lighter ones? I tried with my other switches but it's not big enough
hardy idol
I know how to
astral haven
7800 aint happening
hardy idol
for 32?
can ram be detuned? because then i can run a 7800 kit at 6400 speed if needed
right?
astral haven
yes
now look up prices lel
astral haven
optane will get you more performance than that
hardy idol
okay so
astral haven
and its like $20 more than the diff there
hardy idol
optane is not an option
astral haven
yes it is
hardy idol
No
astral haven
its $100 fam
hardy idol
I need space
astral haven
youll be fine
hardy idol
No
astral haven
what 3 cards do you need?
hardy idol
cards?
astral haven
yes
hardy idol
lets address this after the memory issue ok
astral haven
optane goes in pcie not m.2
hardy idol
@prisma crag
prices in euros
but if they give this string of characters
and i buy that exact thing
then?
hardy idol
gamble at 120 then, or 206
astral haven
120
astral haven
easier to just not get gskill usually
i rolled the dice and failed with my gskill kit
😦
hardy idol
return it?
astral haven
nah newegg refused
hardy idol
what is the worst that can happen though
astral haven
drop it to 6000 and you paid what is it double vs the value of the ram?
hardy idol
wha
smoky frigate
gskill is hit and miss. the sticks I used to have were bretty good though
astral haven
oh right eu pricing
hardy idol
astral haven
so you just would have overpaid 20%
hardy idol
i dont think itd matter at all
misty saffron
wtf
astral haven
notice how these two are the same latency despite the clocks 🤣
ashen spindle
https://fxtwitter.com/IanCutress/status/1724152582271115514 oh god those numbers are horrible for aurora lmfao
misty saffron
must be good
misty saffron
"just buy good_ram"
hardy idol
IF THEY HAD IT
IN THE STORE
I would
they look pretty good
how
theyre
HAHAHA WHAT
why would they do that
its lonely
so sad
oh
and its the fucking
never knew what to think about these
hardy idol
personally i think these are very neat
smoky frigate
are you going to look at them?
hardy idol
yeah
misty saffron
actually can't find what you're talking about
i don't think ai understood the assignment either
smoky frigate
actually can't find what you're talking about
probs like this
hardy idol
painting ram isnt advised either is it