🔌│tech

[vagrant pagoda]

It's not debatable

It's true

Lol

[astral haven]

its also true that redbull can give you wings

but only if you get sponsored by them in one of their wingsuit competitions

the statement is true, but everyone understands its a corner case of a corner case

[vagrant pagoda]

You took my paraphrasing of apples statment and tried to find someway to make it wrong for no reason

[astral haven]

yea but your paraphrasing was super duper wrong

[vagrant pagoda]

Maybe in your interpretation

But most people aren't that dense

[astral haven]

intel doesnt say their chips can all hit 6ghz just because they could if you ln2 them

[vagrant pagoda]

You keep trying to bring up shit that doesn't exist or has no relation to the statement for some reason

[astral haven]

like apple has a really huge problem with this

people will say stuff they think is the same as what apple claims in their slides

but even tho they are just subsituting a word or two, the meaning is completely changed

[vagrant pagoda]

Again most people aren't as dense as you and don't take everything literally to their own personal definition lol

[astral haven]

🤷 I dont need to resort to ad homenim to make my point

[vagrant pagoda]

It doesn't fucking slow down when it's unplugged, and you want to compare it to some hypothetical Intel chip that doesn't exist

[astral haven]

if i make the same statement for that theoretical intel chip, its wrong

why is it any different for apple?

[astral haven]

and while this still isnt true you are getting closer

[vagrant pagoda]

How

Also comparing a product that exists to something that doesn't isnt an argument lol

[astral haven]

you said it yourself fam

[vagrant pagoda]

And?

[astral haven]

the statement that is true without asterisks is "the maximum boost of the m3 macbooks is the same on battery and plugged in"

[vagrant pagoda]

If you think it's so wrong, go sue apple for false advertising

[astral haven]

false equivalency fam

[vagrant pagoda]

How so

"delivering the same performance whether plugged in or on battery"

[astral haven]

the statement you made is not the statement apple made

[vagrant pagoda]

Is what they are advertising on the sale page

And by your logic it's wrong

[astral haven]

for the m3 macbooks

[cursive summit]

I mean, is that not possible?

Sounds relatively simple to do when Apple's M3 is like 16W

[vagrant pagoda]

That's the literal words in apples site

[astral haven]

if you cant see the difference between the two statements, im not sure how to explain it to you

[cursive summit]

Well, it prolly has that

[vagrant pagoda]

By your logic that is false

[astral haven]

again

[vagrant pagoda]

"dosent slow down when unplugged" and "delivering the same performance whether plugged in or on battery" is the same meaning

You said the first was false

[serene otter]

you guys stop arguing about semantics and do something productive with your time

[astral haven]

thats not what i said

[astral haven]

and thats not what i was debating either

[vagrant pagoda]

What

You said it wasn't true

Which means false

[astral haven]

thats also not true

they draw 140w now

[vagrant pagoda]

M3 has 140w charger

[steep creek]

Oh I see

[astral haven]

most of the extra power is for charging tho, because 100w just wasnt enough to do everything, including the new super bright screens

vs the 100w laptops it is a brighter screen

naaah

pretty sure they max at 28v

the only one that can actually consume 5a at 28v is the 16

and only while charging the battery while the screen is maxed and running the soc hard

but im pretty sure thats unchanged from previous gens

i would be beyond shocked if the lower power devices charged faster (in terms of watts not in terms of 0-full) with the extra available power from the plug

im pretty sure they just rate it for everything maxed

and if you use less on any front, it uses less

could be wrong tho, apple doesnt go into specifics

[cursive summit]

https://VXtwitter.com/ianzelbo/status/1719218156273537440

[old marlin]

[astral haven]

i mean not like anyone is doing anything besides running a web browser

[old marlin]

it has "pro" in the name

[astral haven]

so does profit lel

[crystal halo]

iPhone have been “pro” for 4 years now lol

[astral haven]

the pro stands for profit not professional

[crystal halo]

Ahhh

Yes

Tbf id take this chassis / screen for $1600 over the $1300 13.3” it replaced

[astral haven]

yup
id be super down if it had a touchscreen and a flippy screen

but no you need to buy a macbook aaaand an ipad if you want to touchscreen macos

[crystal halo]

In fact I basically got this laptop for $1600 lol. Got the M1 Pro 14” for $1600 when the M2’s were around the corner

[crystal halo]

Profit baybeeee

To be honest sidecar with a Mac + iPad is dreamy

So nice

[astral haven]

imagine how much better it would be if you just had it in one device

oh wait you dont need to imagine, just get a surface

[crystal halo]

But then it’s worse as either device

Jack of all trades master of none

[astral haven]

why?

[final flame]

there are higher performance options than sidecar too lol
that all require a paid monthly subscription

[astral haven]

remember the surface pro exists, and has better multitasking than the ipad by a long shot

[crystal halo]

https://astropad.com/product/lunadisplay/
I have this for my windows work laptop and it works surprisingly well. Granted it’s a $80 dongle to make my $800 tablet work with a $2000 laptop but oh well.

[astral haven]

i have a logitech touch controller salvaged from a torn down conference room for my pc lel

[crystal halo]

But multitasking on a tablet is a headache to begin with and the footprint of the surface with the kickstand and all is just ginormous

[final flame]

they have the dongle and the option if you don't want to get a dongle to pay like 20$ a month lel

[crystal halo]

Ah. I have the hardware version no sub

[astral haven]

https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/video-conferencing/room-solutions/tap.939-001950.html
only fkn 1k msrp for 1280x800 display

[crystal halo]

Perfect

[astral haven]

never had any issues myself

remember to use 3 and 4 finger gestures

[final flame]

still a subscription service for something that doesn't even require servers

[crystal halo]

But windows OS tho

[crystal halo]

Isn’t it great

[astral haven]

windows os is massively superior to macos and ios/ipados for multitasking

it also by default is better than any base linux distro

although linux has more customization available

[crystal halo]

But what if all I want to do is watch YouTube/Twitch/media consumption on my tablet? iPad has vastly superior battery life and a lighter overhead OS

[astral haven]

which isnt what we were talking about

[crystal halo]

Correct

However I have no need for multitasking on my tablet

[astral haven]

if you want to be productive, you use windows

and if you want tablet windows, surface is goated

[crystal halo]

If I want tablet windows to begin with which I personally don’t

Heck I barely use my iPad at all. Mostly use my kindle and consume ebooks at a voracious rate

[astral haven]

also pro tip for windows, casting from a pc to a surface pro just requires both to have a wifi card which most folks already have (yes it runs the data through ethernet if you want, yes im aware thats fkn stupid)

[final flame]

the issue is there's some productivity apps that are only available on ipad, which is stupid
for example procreate

[crystal halo]

As a full stack software engineer I’m kinda limited to full blown desktop environments and yes have to use windows because of my company’s product offerings

[astral haven]

thats an app specifically made for ipad

[crystal halo]

I do not want to run visual studio on a 10-12” screen or monitor

[final flame]

there's no reason not to make a port for other os's
it's a drawing app, it'd be fine to expect their users to have a drawing tablet so not really much need to change the layout or design

[astral haven]

if you want it on windows you get idk sketchbook

[crystal halo]

Well there is a reason: they’ve entrenched themselves and their tech stack into the iPadOS system

[astral haven]

and youd be surprised how much has to change
unless you built from the ground up with an interpreter for all of the os actions, youd have to add that

[crystal halo]

And it isn’t an easy flip of the switch to develop a like for like program on an entirely different platform

[astral haven]

yup

even sketchbook made that mistake tho they have now mostly fixed it

its now available on actually everything

[crystal halo]

It’d be three times as complex for the company too since then they’d have a Windows dev team AND an iOS dev team

feature parity, communication etc etc

[astral haven]

or they could build one webapp

[final flame]

oh god no

[crystal halo]

MSPaint.io

[final flame]

photoshop has a web version, it's so bad lol

[astral haven]

people only hate webapps because they are shit

[crystal halo]

“Only”

[astral haven]

if they were good, noone would care

[final flame]

most webapps are shit

[astral haven]

obviously

but thats not because they have to be

[crystal halo]

We only hate them because they’re trash that’s like saying the sky is blue

[final flame]

the only webapp I've used that is reasonably good is vscode

[astral haven]

youtube is shockingly good

[crystal halo]

Wootility too right heh heh

[astral haven]

its actually a shame they dont have the website run the web code that they use in the app

[vagrant pagoda]

Audiotool

Audiotool is one of the oldest webapps

[astral haven]

kindle

[final flame]

the issue when it comes to webapps is lazy development
90% of the time they just make it and they're like optimization? who needs that

[empty wren]

It already had that deal a few times and it was not black Friday.

[astral haven]

thats a problem with the webapps you use

its not a requirement

[final flame]

that's how the mess got created that is discord

[crystal halo]

I mean it’s the best price for arguably one of the best all around gaming displays out in 2023

[astral haven]

well sure but thats because you arent using it as a webapp

and discord refuses to distribute themselves as a webapp

[empty wren]

I was expecting it to be a bit more low but maybe it will drop by black Friday

[crystal halo]

Don’t they use Electron?

[vagrant pagoda]

Ram usage isn't bad

[astral haven]

yea

[vagrant pagoda]

It's likely caching all the imagines and shit

[crystal halo]

Perhaps $750, but there really isn’t competition for that panel anywhere if I recall correctly

[vagrant pagoda]

Same reason the mobile app uses so much storage

[empty wren]

Fair point

[astral haven]

which means they distribute themselves as an entire fkn web browser

[crystal halo]

It’s sorta like my display, the AW3821DW, people complain that it’s still $1k after 2 years as an IPS display of 144hz and it’s just because nothing better has come out

Fairly unique 38” 3840x1600p 144hz setup

[astral haven]

this is what a real webapp looks like lel

[empty wren]

Yeah that size is definitely on the higher end, still wish there OLED 1080 normal form factor monitors

[crystal halo]

I bought it during Covid for $1400 and it’s been a great work at home / gaming display

Wish it were 200hz+? Sure

But I can’t go back to 27” 1440p I tried and it just ain’t it

[astral haven]

on the other hand you could have gotten a 42 inch 4k144 for half the price, and just lived with the black bars

[empty wren]

Hmm

[crystal halo]

I bought it before the 42” existed

[astral haven]

doubt

[crystal halo]

Sigh.

[astral haven]

isnt it only 2 years old?

[crystal halo]

Also I wanted IPS for work and not worrying about burn in

[crystal halo]

Closer to 3 now actually. Bought it December 2020

[astral haven]

that is fair enough

but yea im pretty sure the first bfgd's were 2019 right?

jan 2018

[crystal halo]

Believe those were 48” though?

[astral haven]

and 1 year later the freesync alternatives appeared

[astral haven]

yea for the first year
trying to find it, it was nooooooot popular lmao

[crystal halo]

The first good 42” I knew about was the 42” LG C2

[astral haven]

yea there was 65 and 48 at launch for bfgd

[crystal halo]

Which was what, 2022?

[astral haven]

well sure
but ips and good dont really match up lel

[crystal halo]

48” is just a smidge too big for desktop

[crystal halo]

Well the C2 is oled

[astral haven]

eh just move your desk back and wall mount

[crystal halo]

I can’t exactly move my desk back or wall mount lmao

[astral haven]

yea thats my point
before then things were ips which wasnt good

[crystal halo]

Yeah. If someone made a 38” QD OLED ultrawide I would upgrade my IPS display for sure though.

[astral haven]

va only got fast enough to be good around 2020, and there was still an infestation of older panels then so i def understand why you went with what you got

[crystal halo]

I find putting black bars up off putting

[astral haven]

and heck the tvs converted bfgds did have pretty awful response times even for ips

[crystal halo]

Yes they did lol.

I mean my AW3821DW ain’t great iirc

[empty wren]

Less noticable in a dark room

[astral haven]

yep
like i definetly understand why you did what you did, but im pretty sure you could have paid less for a slightly faster 42 inch

but you may be right i cant find it

[crystal halo]

Wait nvm AW3821DW uses LG nanoIPS tech so actually not bad at all

[crystal halo]

I like gaming with bias lighting, much less eye strain than black room

Not reactive bias lighting, just neutral white

[astral haven]

yea less strain
but it makes me perform worse in cs so i dont

[crystal halo]

Fair

I probably do worse with my big display but I feel more immersed and play less tilted when my eyes don’t hurt

[astral haven]

i have my 32 inch covering 170 degrees of my hfov thanks to the curve lel

[crystal halo]

Lolll

Also the aw3821dw is slightly curved which the bfgds I looked at were flat bois

[astral haven]

thats also true

[crystal halo]

Helps bring the corners in a bit and “feels” bigger than 38”

[astral haven]

god im so hype for the 1080p480/4k240 oled

because i refuse to downgrade from 4k240, but i want fasterrer

[crystal halo]

Not a Samsung 1000R mind mind you, I like to see straight lines in excel TYVM

It’s like 2400R or somethin

[astral haven]

yea
the 1000r actually does work

and eventually the lines straighten out

[crystal halo]

2300R looked it up

[astral haven]

ive got my 24 inch monitors here at work pointed directly at me, and im about a meter away from each of them

besides the touch

[crystal halo]

Oh really I never tried it just looks hilarious

[astral haven]

yea its pretty stupid unless you are less than 1.2m away from the screen

[crystal halo]

And Samsung QC makes me so not want to try their displays

[astral haven]

yea its atrocious

im ultra lucky tho so its not a problem for me 😛

but its impossible to recommend them

friend of mine bought one, rmad, got a bad unit from the rma, rmad again and got an even worse unit

[crystal halo]

I am looking at the ASUS PG27AQN, the ULMB2 27” 1440p360hz panel but I’d need to upgrade my 3090 which is not in the cards

[astral haven]

he returned it and bought my old one

like it was actually insane how awful his one was, he brought it in to show me

reds if you fullscreened would turn an extremely yellowish orange

which isnt even an issue ive seen anyone else besides him have

[crystal halo]

I’m currently good with my setup, 5800X3D, 3090, 38” ultrawide, wooting 60 HE, glorious model D 2 pro (such a dumb name for a mouse), figure saving up to buy a house instead of just renting forever is a good plan

[astral haven]

heres my work setup lel

[crystal halo]

Lolll screen 6 is the Logitech display I assume

[astral haven]

yup

[crystal halo]

The tiny 1280x800 xd

Do you put like discord on there or somethin small

[astral haven]

yea tho i have it set to lower res right now because microsoft refuses to fix their virtual touchpad

[crystal halo]

Ah

[astral haven]

as far as my boss knows its for music control 😛

[crystal halo]

Jeez he’s watching porn on it oh no

He’s too far gone

[cursive summit]

Casual reminder that there is a 500$ VA MiniLED with 1440p and 240Hz refresh rate, 384 dimming zones and HDR1000 on the market

Which is by far the best value on the market

[crystal halo]

What brand tho

[cursive summit]

HKC, or Koorui

[crystal halo]

And response times I’d be scared to ask

[cursive summit]

Response times are good on minileds, no?

[crystal halo]

I have no clue

[astral haven]

tell vex that miniled is irrelevant to the response times
miniled is just the backlight, the response times are from the VA

[crystal halo]

@cursive summit miniled is irrelevant to the response times
miniled is just the backlight, the response times are from the VA

Did I do it right

[cursive summit]

Idk

You tell me

VA aren't bad though when it comes to response times

[astral haven]

yea he muted me after i kept correcting him lel

[cursive summit]

Indeed no, not after correcting me

That was not the reason

Conspiracy theories were the reason

After that, I had enough

[astral haven]

mhm sure

[cursive summit]

Keep huffing on that AI will materialize bacteria to kill off humans shit

@crystal halo https://www.zhihu.com/tardis/zm/art/595128872?source_id=1005

[astral haven]

ah yes the classic misunderstanding of the argument

[cursive summit]

This is a 2K 240hz miniled by a panel manufacturer HKC

[crystal halo]

75mm VESA why

[cursive summit]

Chinese company, but they also run a brand called Koorui

HKC = Koorui

And they sell panels for like 40% off, Asus, Gigabyte, etc are their customers

They run their own brand and they sell their panels heavily discounted

[astral haven]

tbh whatever,, you can get adapter plates as long as its cheap enough

[cursive summit]

Those response times are pretty good though

Literally a 240Hz display

[astral haven]

they are okish

but to use them you have to throw away the whole contrast from va

and at that point just get an ips

[crystal halo]

RTINGS doesn’t review >>> I don’t buy

[cursive summit]

Considering it's a pretty new brand, barely anyone knows about them

I learned of them off of youtube, they had an insane 1440p nanoips for sale

Like 200$

Panel is straight off 400$ displays

[crystal halo]

This is not a good thing

[astral haven]

thats only a good thing if you are a reviewer who is the first to review them lel

[cursive summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q_9LVW2Rl4&pp=ygUnd2FpdCB0aGlzIGJ1ZGdldCBkaXNwbGF5IGlzIHJlYWxseSBnb29k

[cursive summit]

As a company they are like 20 years old and work with the big fellas

They just never sold their panels themselves

[astral haven]

innocn is another one of the crazy good buys

but their durability and warranty is nonexistent

the $270 98% p3 4k monitor from innocn is incredible, and its not even dim

[cursive summit]

Look I know you love being right and how everyone is misrepresenting your arguments, but please, stop with the conspiracy shite #🔌│tech message

[astral haven]

but their $500 4k144 is yikes

[crystal halo]

Which is why they’re cheap right there

[cursive summit]

Anyways that conversation is over

[astral haven]

again tho the problem is that argument cant be proven wrong, and the only leap of logic is that the ais can get better than humans without doing what we want
the point is not that the argument will actually happen, thats just a provable lower bound of how bad things can be

[cursive summit]

I did actually buy a Koorui 1440p 165Hz NanoIPS for like 230$ for a family member

It was.. really damn good

I mean, my current NanoIPS is an AOC, 170Hz NanoIPS, and I spent like 350$ for that

That's like 50% savings for a functionally identical display lol

[crystal halo]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-ultragear-27-nano-ips-qhd-1-ms-g-sync-compatible-monitor-with-hdr-black/6451081.p?skuId=6451081

Rather just get an LG for $300

[cursive summit]

That costs 300$?

Did you add tax and the other stuff?

[crystal halo]

What other stuff lol

[astral haven]

on this side of the globe things are cheaper

[cursive summit]

Well, America displays prices without tax, VAT, shipping and whatever

[cursive summit]

Was: 400
So it's not a 299 product naturally eh

[crystal halo]

Ah. Yeah well I’m in USA so free shipping

[cursive summit]

Idk what your state's tax is

[crystal halo]

They do it all the time

[cursive summit]

But I assume it's like 20% of so, so the final price is like 360$

[crystal halo]

“It’s $100 off def buy now!!”

[cursive summit]

Which is exactly what I paid lol

Like 360$ for my AOC AG273QXP

[crystal halo]

Well that’s a 24” 1080p

[cursive summit]

Worse than

[crystal halo]

We’re talking 27” 1440p here lol

[cursive summit]

Same panel and cheaper

[astral haven]

at best buy if you live in oregon, the price is 5% under list with cc, exactly list with cash
in most of california, its 3.5% over list for cash, 2.5% under with cc

[cursive summit]

Look nobody makes cheaper shit than the panel manufacturers themselves

Koorui is a panel manufacturer, they have the cheapest prices by far

[crystal halo]

Ok but I don’t want to buy a practically no-name no-support monitor

[cursive summit]

OMEN, AOC, Asus whatever, are ripoffs in that regard, they buy panels to throw on a massive damn markup

[astral haven]

lg is also a panel manufacturer sometimes

[crystal halo]

I’ve had to use the express panel replacement on my $1400 monitor which saved me from buying an entire new display

[cursive summit]

HP makes panels?

Dell does I think

[crystal halo]

Paid for itself

[cursive summit]

LG does I think

Samsung does

[astral haven]

dell does not

samsung doesnt any more for lcds

[crystal halo]

Samsung does oled right

[astral haven]

lg it depends

[astral haven]

yuppers
all the qdoleds for now are samsung

[crystal halo]

LG manufactures OLED too

[cursive summit]

They offer warranty and returns but eh, if you want to overpay, it's alright

[astral haven]

yep but afaik they did for a bit sell one boe oled

and lg sells various manufacturer lcds

[cursive summit]

WOLED?

[crystal halo]

White sub pixel

[cursive summit]

Ah so the TV displays

Which is just OLED anyways according to them

[crystal halo]

Ye

Well no

[cursive summit]

I like those LG OLEDs, my CX is great

[crystal halo]

Have a 55” C2 next to me it’s pretty great

[cursive summit]

But OLED is just flawed tech inherently, like, really, pixels that have a lifetime and burn out?

[astral haven]

as long as its carbon based rather than silicon, its oled :/

[cursive summit]

Miniled is so much more interesting, Macroled even more so

[crystal halo]

But IPS is just flawed tech inherently, like, really, backlight that have a lifetime?
Could be said about any tech

[cursive summit]

OLED far more so

IPS at least doesn't dim afaik

OLED really loves to dim

[crystal halo]

Pros and cons

[cursive summit]

Well yes, exceptional image quality

But I like to not buy new displays every 2 years

My Samsung VA is 5 years old now, great lil boy

[crystal halo]

Has a 800-1000:1 contrast ratio tho lol

Which is fine don’t get me wrong

But pros and cons to everything

[astral haven]

and yea the lifespan of standard led backlights is something like 100k hours to 80% rather than the 10k hours of oled

[crystal halo]

Well aware

[cursive summit]

Indeed, from my CX to my 1440p NanoIPS, I don't necessarily notice much fidelity regression

[crystal halo]

Just spinning the argument to be applied to any technology

[cursive summit]

Not enough for me to just care about buying a 1000$ panel lol

300$ panels are very nice

[crystal halo]

Good way to put it

[cursive summit]

Well, there is actually

CRT reigns above all

[crystal halo]

Weight, portability, power

[astral haven]

i want a 27 inch Uoled monitor

[cursive summit]

We killed CRTs cause they were ahead of their time

[crystal halo]

U for uranium to radiate your pimples off your face?

[astral haven]

yes im aware that the largest they physically can be is 300mm and they would cost 20k per unit at that size but gib still

[astral haven]

no microOled

[cursive summit]

Tbf I think that best panel tech rn is prolly macroled?

[astral haven]

the stuff in camera viewfinders and bigscreen beyond

[cursive summit]

Insanely expensive but better than OLED with no burn-in

[crystal halo]

Ah u as in mu

μOLED

[astral haven]

ye that

4k ppi

5k nits

[crystal halo]

College degree coming in clutch

[astral haven]

dunno how to type that lel

[crystal halo]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-what-cant-read-blind-gif-8671467

[crystal halo]

Googled “mu” and copied from webpage LOL

[astral haven]

again we just need to get 400mm wafers off the ground, and then bond 4 of them in a square

[crystal halo]

How does microLED tie into all this

Is it just a buzzword at this point or is it actually coming lol.

[cursive summit]

Well there's WINDOWS + period ( . ) on Microsoft's shit

[cursive summit]

It's already a thing, technically

[crystal halo]

Well yeah I know that.

[astral haven]

think like those display panels they throw on the side of buildings but shrunk to the size of a wall

[crystal halo]

But I mean for us humans

[cursive summit]

I mean, yeah, eventually

[crystal halo]

I don’t need a building sized display I need a 30-40” one

[astral haven]

why would they sell to us when the commercial customers pay that kind of money :/

[crystal halo]

Yeah

Tech demos let’s go

[cursive summit]

And microled as far as I know is superior tech to OLED

[astral haven]

well again they are shrunk to a bit larger than that size, but its still expensive and they can sell it to the commercial folks for incredible amounts of money

[crystal halo]

That’s what I’ve heard too

[cursive summit]

Per pixel dimming, nicer colours, no burnin

Insane prices though

[crystal halo]

Yep

Isn’t Apple looking into microLED for their watches I keep hearing it pop up for like 2025 or something

[astral haven]

you can think of the uLED displays basically like a uOLED display but made of pure silicon, and cut into peices and put on a large tft panel

[cursive summit]

Didn't they already announce those

[astral haven]

yea its been 3 years away for the last 20 years tho so who knows

[crystal halo]

Truuuu

[crystal halo]

No

Still on OLED atm

[cursive summit]

Ah https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/11/23550155/apple-microled-watch-iphone-explained

Thought that was a big thing in September that the Apple Watches have microled

[astral haven]

think they are using a uOLED microdisplay that happens to be huge

[cursive summit]

Maybe mistook it for something

[astral haven]

uOLED is pretty cool tho

[crystal halo]

Well they did slap a 3000 nit OLED display in the ultra 2

[cursive summit]

Ew, even faster burn in

[astral haven]

nah its uOLED

uOLED burns in very slowly

[crystal halo]

I have one, it’s insane

[cursive summit]

Apple sure loves making things difficult for me

They have such a really nice line of watches which I kinda want

But then I have to buy an iPhone lol

And I don't like iPhones lol

[crystal halo]

Honestly does all the phone things I need it to do, so I’m fine with my iPhone

[cursive summit]

Kinda good without a watch anyways

But would be interesting for health monitoring

[crystal halo]

Would I like customizing Android yes but meh

[astral haven]

my work bans using their phones to be used to set up an apple watch 😦

[crystal halo]

Bro

[astral haven]

its actually stupid, you just need to use it for set up and updates, after you can use it on wifi (to some extent)

[crystal halo]

I’ve almost always had a watch my entire life so happy when Apple Watches came out, skipped the first one because it was trash, but the series 2 was hype

Rip Pebble, Fitbit I will never forget

[astral haven]

garmin is the current replacement of pebble

[crystal halo]

To be fair Pebble would’ve been squashed by Apple if Fitbit didn’t buy them out but still sad to see them go

[astral haven]

using the same type of displays for half of their lineup
10k nits in daylight lets gooooo

now sure its only 2 nits when its 10 nits out but shhh

[steep creek]

i had the first, s4 and now ultra 1. at the time the first was kinda nice, never has anything like it before

[crystal halo]

Never really considered garmin, had timex’s growing up, then Pebble, Pebble Time, Pebble Time Steel, then Apple Watch 2, 4, 5, 7, now Ultra 2

[astral haven]

yea i went straight from timexes to garmin

kinda annoyed about charging it every other week

[steep creek]

before this actuallly i had a sony smartwatch

[astral haven]

but thats better than charging it every day

[crystal halo]

It’s actually not bad anymore with the Ultra, 3 day battery life and fast charges quite quickly

[astral haven]

with always on display?

[crystal halo]

Hop in the shower/make breakfast while it charges and ready to go

[crystal halo]

Ye

[astral haven]

thats not what the reviews said wha?

[crystal halo]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[astral haven]

maybe depends on the brightness of where you use it

[crystal halo]

Full day takes approx 30% battery

[astral haven]

still dimmer than my watch in sunlight tho

[crystal halo]

I’m also a software engineer who spends most of his day inside lol

[astral haven]

and substantially so

[crystal halo]

I have zero problems reading 3k nits I can’t imagine 10k lolll

[astral haven]

yea its no problem indoors

but outside?
glancing to check the name of whatever tf music youtube thinks i like?

[crystal halo]

Well the 3k nit is for outdoor use. I’m not sure what brightness my watch does inside, but it’s perfectly legible and not over bright.

Can go down to 1nit too so sleepy time is nice and dim

[astral haven]

well mine i know is always about 25% of the ambient light lel

retroflexive for the win

[crystal halo]

Ah

So it’s based on your environment? Nice

[astral haven]

yup

ofc it has a backlight available but yea

[crystal halo]

Does it have built in lighting for super dark areas

Ok good

Would be funny

[astral haven]

bright enough to be used as an awful flashlight

[crystal halo]

I have my ultra’s “action button” as the flashlight and it’s a great torch

[astral haven]

yea the brightness of the backlight definetly isnt as good as yours

but i can still read the screen with the backlight off 😛

[crystal halo]

Yeah. As with desktop displays — pros and cons

I imagine yours enables the multi week battery

[astral haven]

yup

theres a version of this watch with unlimited battery using the bezel as a solar panel

[crystal halo]

I think I heard of that

[astral haven]

just have to be in the sun for about 2 hours each day

[crystal halo]

Does it add extra chunkiness?

[astral haven]

nope

its just the bezel is shinier cause its a solar panel

[crystal halo]

Good for runners I bet

[astral haven]

yup

[crystal halo]

And I assume it still can charge traditionally

[astral haven]

ofc lel

[crystal halo]

Put it under a lamp

[astral haven]

its most efficient at uv, so youd have to use a grow lamp lel

and dont leave it on your wrist if you do that

[crystal halo]

Put it in the toothbrush cleaner got it

[astral haven]

serious wireless charging tho lel

[crystal halo]

I’m stoked to try out my 60HE tonight in CS

[astral haven]

wont notice the difference now that everything is subtick tbh

[crystal halo]

Don’t remind me :(

[astral haven]

great for me tho who never properly learned how to jiggle

lel

[crystal halo]

I de-subticked my movement back when the alias command work around was easy and man it felt so much more natural as a CS pleb lol

actually stopping when I want to woah

[astral haven]

yea
now everyone is sliding around and its great for me who was not used to the precision to begin with, and id only partially counterstrafe and slide to a stop

[crystal halo]

Then there’s me who actually practiced how to stop on a dime

And now feels like I’m on ice skates

[final flame]

"looks inside"
"wires"

[astral haven]

nah they use direct glass bonding to the pcb
only wires are inside the battery

[final flame]

Schrodinger's wire

[astral haven]

actually no there is a ribbon from the display to the pcb

rip

the solar panel is bonded directly to the display

[final flame]

"scratches pcb"
"wires inside"

[cursive summit]

Anti-any addon is illegal in Ireland

Ireland SPECIFICALLY

They have a law that forbids any website owner to peer into your enabled addons

[final flame]

good law

[frozen ingot]

very based law

[cursive summit]

Although I went to find that law and can't find it lol

All I see is GDPR

I swear I read the other day Ireland has a law against company's just barging in to see what addons you have enabled

[thick elk]

YouTube may have a case if they just target the fact that adds are not being loaded, rather than an add-on being used.

but their messaging would probably have to change in that case.

Ads are required for this site to function, make sure you disable any tech that blocks these ads and then list ad-blockers, ad blocking dns or network issues as causes.

[rough osprey]

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/leicas-new-m11-p-is-the-first-camera-that-has-anti-ai-cryptography-and-sony-will-soon-join-too/

[cursive summit]

Thing is that's not what uBlock Origin, afaik, or especially ReVanced does

[rough osprey]

interesting

[cursive summit]

Revanced from what I know sends Google a tick that ads were served, but the whole ad code is removed

Idk how it's done, but apparently that's how it works with Revanced

Ublock Origin I assume is the same since they bypass the youtube check system

Not really "ads are not being loaded"

[thick elk]

I don't know how their system works internally, often it was a matter of blocking the thing that is blocking adblock users.

Generally ublock just blocks the requests but they have other fallbacks

I still had premium lite last time it happened, if it happens again there is always youtubedl

[stray hazel]

Any one know which mouse feet I should get for the model d wireless, I want something between 5 USD, and 10 USD. i saw corepads that were a 2 pack for the model d, but will they be better for stopping distance after downgrading from superglide dots, and I am getting a new mouse pad artisan hayate otsu soft.

[crystal halo]

Personally haven’t had any issue with the stock PTFE feet but I’m probably unwashed masses

[stray hazel]

Honestly I would def get the core pads as they are better for glide apparently, and you do get a 2 pack of the PTFE feet

[crystal halo]

Perhaps

I also don’t have a specialty mousepad just a basic cloth pad that’s big enough for my grubby mitts lol.

[stray hazel]

getting new ptfe, you only get 1 for 6 dollars, btw my logitech g840 is already muddy after 1 month and a half usage, which is a let down with the mouse pad

[crystal halo]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07C7TTLXC

That’s all I got just works idk

[stray hazel]

I wanted a premium mouse pad, because of the aim enhancment being noticable from reviews with the hayate otsu

[crystal halo]

I need to replace me to get better aim LOL

[thick elk]

Don't put too much weight on those, somewhat generic mouse pads are pretty common among pro's. If there was a definitive advantage, they would be more picky.

[stray hazel]

Yeah, I personally think the glide of the hayate otsu might be better than the hein, and zero for stopping distance, and it being balanced, but that also depends on someones play style

Also is lethal gaming gear a safe, and trust worthy site to buy from, in terms of encryption standards for buying things?

[gusty kiln]

https://darko.audio/2023/10/move-over-hifiman-fiios-ft5-are-499-planarmagnetic-headphones/

@final flame

[final flame]

interesting

[gusty kiln]

edition XS competitor/Venus

[final flame]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-a-new-foe-has-appeared-challenger-approaching-gif-16334728

[gusty kiln]

9khz peak is a bit

[final flame]

yea...

[gusty kiln]

but it comes with 2 pads like the FT3

suede and pleather

[final flame]

hopefully one of those pads dampens that hump

[old marlin]

won't complain about more competition

until some company just makes 500€ philphones

[final flame]

if only I was still in the market of purchasing something in the 500$ price bracket

[thick elk]

I personally prefer them to fight more over the range a bit lower down the stack.
Especially on the matter of comfort there is a lot to gain.

[gusty kiln]

I like FiiO products, hopefully they have a kilobuck pair in the future

[old marlin]

I mean I would not complain about it being cheaper

a new pair of philphones shipped to me is like 800€

[gusty kiln]

FT7 or FT9

[thick elk]

Comfort is such an important factor for headphones especially if you like to wear them all day.

[gusty kiln]

yeah

[old marlin]

yea, philphone is stupid comfy

[gusty kiln]

HD800 would be endgame

[final flame]

hd6xx and focal clears are both absurdly comfy

[old marlin]

ATH-AD700X body is stupid comfy

just add a rubber band

lol

much more so than an HD6xx

[thick elk]

I dissagree about the hd6xx comfort, in fact I moved away from them because they had no good way of being comfortable.

[final flame]

never tried one so I can't say

the 6xx I've worn for over 10 hours and no discomfort

[old marlin]

they are comfortable for me after I wear them for a while

[thick elk]

Moved to a hifiman he400se which is not the most comfortable but passable.

for me the cups are simply too shallow on the hd6xx

[old marlin]

guh

[thick elk]

the hifiman are just a bit too small

[old marlin]

he400 pressure is so stupid high

[final flame]

6xx the only thing is the clamping pressure, but if you wear them in that becomes a non issue

[old marlin]

feels like they crush my head

[final flame]

you can also bend the yolks manually to wear them in quickly

[old marlin]

unless they changed that

hifiman is so scuffed

[gusty kiln]

hifiman have like 3-4 different headbands now

[thick elk]

I litterally had to bend them to have almost 0 clamp at that point they moved constantly with minor head movements and were still not comfortable.

[old marlin]

arya stealth is one of their newest headphones

and still requires you to bend the headband

otherwise you just get omega pressure in the rear

and no pressure in the front

it's so fucked

[thick elk]

I personally don't mind higher clamping force, as long as the cups are large enough and deep enough.

[gusty kiln]

sennheiser, plx gub HD800S but just sound better

[final flame]

never had any issues with mind
then again I also have a small head

[old marlin]

lol

[gusty kiln]

I can see the egg shape be bad on the jaw bone

[thick elk]

It's just the shape and position of my ears not the size of my head.

[final flame]

the focal clears are heavy but they feel like nothing once on your head
compared to the lcd-2 which just feel heavy

[halcyon moss]

hey, i like my new beyerdynamics mmx 200's so far

[old marlin]

besides clamping force being omega high again they are not that bad once you bend in the swivel

not as high as an he400 tho

those also just clap together

[final flame]

the clears for me literally dissapear on the head
and since they're so open it doesn't feel like you're wearing headphones at all, they're even more open than the 6xx

[old marlin]

maybe they feel nice if your head is the size of a piece of paper

the clears also are discontinued

lol

[final flame]

nah you can still get pairs of them from headphones.com

[old marlin]

and the clear mg is regarded to be outright worse

[thick elk]

Interesting to see how different opinions are they are fine for me in terms of clamping force, just wish the cups were oval and a bit higher on the inside.

[gusty kiln]

headphones.com sell em all the time

[old marlin]

great

lemme check shipping

[final flame]

free shipping afaik

[gusty kiln]

in the US

[old marlin]

how can I preorder a final sale

[gusty kiln]

that's just fomo

[final flame]

they order more stock from focal ofc

since they have a shit ton of unsold stock

[old marlin]

they literally do not ship to germany

gg

[gusty kiln]

glaxes ordered when it said the same thing but shipped the next day

[gusty kiln]

RIP

[final flame]

time to proxy

[old marlin]

also 890 USD is quite ridiculous imo

[old marlin]

nope

[gusty kiln]

Goldensound is trying to set up a EU HQ for headphones.com

[old marlin]

if I ever get clears

I will buy them used

[final flame]

for a headphone of this caliber not really
890 is steal for a brand new clear

considering they were 1499 when they were initially released

[gusty kiln]

790 open box

but gotta be quick

[final flame]

there's that too

[old marlin]

yea and then how much in getting them to germany?

prob like 100 in shipping

and 300 in importing

[gusty kiln]

surprised no 3rd party dealers near you

since french brand

[old marlin]

they only sell the mgs here

[gusty kiln]

what about the elex

[old marlin]

massdrop

good joke

can get a used pair for 500

[gusty kiln]

headphones.com also sell em now

[old marlin]

used = like new

[old marlin]

good for the US

2 retailers

[final flame]

mgs are alright, golden says the highs are piercing but I personally didn't get that
they are overall a far darker headphone though, that I agree on

[gusty kiln]

109 pros are like a sidegrade to the clears

[final flame]

109 pros are cool

never listened to em, but most reviewers like them

[gusty kiln]

375 grams

and people say they are super comfty

[steep creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3dbG9pAi8I

[final flame]

sure doesn't look like it

probably using some first party solution for raw capture

then doing most of the work in post

[final flame]

haha they sure like hiding things those fuckers

not to mention they also treat it like the average person is able to make things like they show with the camera
any camera can perform well when it's in it's optimal with proper lighting and controlled sets

ah yes

just what I call accessible

[serene otter]

look at this problem we created! and wow now we fixed it!

[final flame]

wouldn't surprise me if they also did many of the shots slowly to get more exposure time

[ashen spindle]

https://fxtwitter.com/IanCutress/status/1719461868786360530

https://fxtwitter.com/IanCutress/status/1719461095306416204

the two important parts of confirmation from earnings so far

[steep creek]

nope

[steep creek]

haha

[wheat plume]

Uh, NewEgg...its not 2021 anymore

2.5 grand

[cursive summit]

You sure that's newegg selling?

Not some external seller?

[wheat plume]

Tech Trends store

🤔

[cursive summit]

Not newegg

Some shithouse third party is using their platform, akin ebay or amazon

[wheat plume]

Uh, Tech Trends store...its not 2021 anymore*

[cursive summit]

Tbf R7 350 for 120$ is quite a ripoff lol

At least the card is what looks to be a shade of pinkish purple, rather cute

[wheat plume]

Im so confused by this https://www.greenit.ie/product/storm-gaming-pc-amd-ryzen-5-8gb-ram-240gb-ssd-radeon-integrated-graphics-windows-10-pro/

how is this so cheap?

[reef patrol]

No graphics card for one.

[cursive summit]

What's the price on it

[ashen spindle]

because bad hardware is often cheap?

[thick elk]

It's not that unusual when a product mostly goes out of stock that one seller with a completely bs price remains.

[cursive summit]

It just says "in stock"

[wheat plume]

oh wait

[cursive summit]

4600G is old and shite

[reef patrol]

A520M mobo as well

[cursive summit]

520M is fine

You are just getting shafted on the CPU

[reef patrol]

Never said it was crap - I said it was CHEAP 😄

[wheat plume]

So..
Radeon VII != Radeon 7?

[reef patrol]

That's just the iGPU bruh

[cursive summit]

Well.. technically

[reef patrol]

There's no model number. The photos are misleading.

[wheat plume]

but AMD have a dGPU called Radeon VII

[cursive summit]

Radeon 7 just stands for 7 CUs

[reef patrol]

Also...

[wheat plume]

lol

hm

then wtf GPU it come with

[crisp granite]

refers to count of cores on cpu
that's the best iGPU you'll get on a desktop chip atm, rather impressive

[reef patrol]

NONE

[cursive summit]

None you doofus

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-test-results-dumb-dumbass-you-are-so-stupid-gif-14192289

[cursive summit]

It's an integrated GPU into a CPU

[wheat plume]

ookk....

[crisp granite]

AM5 cpus have the same archetecture
but not even a third of the cores

[cursive summit]

You getting just a shite CPU with a trash iGPU

[reef patrol]

At any rate it's a refurbished PC. That also explains the price

[cursive summit]

That's your PC

Tf is the price on this

It doesn't say

[crisp granite]

so you end up with pretty much display adaptor

[cursive summit]

Lol my ublock origin somehow deleted the pricing, it only appeared in incognito

€739.00????

Cheap????

That rig is like 300 euros

[rough osprey]

damn ublock protecting you now

[cursive summit]

From shite deals? Good

I run a customized version of ublock origin, there's a custom community filter in there

Absolutely great

[wheat plume]

I said cheap before I realised it doesnt have a GPU

[gleaming eagle]

Can I get some assistance with the wooting 60he?
I've had mine for about a month & I'm unable to switch to my other profile I have saved on the wooting. Whenever I press fn + backspace it doesn't switch my profile to my gaming profile I have set
it doesn't switch to the 'ximming' profile for me when I click fn+ backspace

[reef patrol]

FN... and enter

[latent mural]

The best monitor is the 500hz one

[mild dome]

The best monitor is OLED
Until burn in at least 😔

[astral haven]

depends, 360hz+ulmb or dyac is muuuuch sharper and lower mprt...

that reminds me of combining gsync and lightboost on my old monitor
holy smokes was that the legit crt experience lel

even more realistic considering that monitor was barely capable of srgb despite insane saturation and also barely capable of 600:1 contrast ratio

[gusty kiln]

my gigabyte can do adaptive sync + strobing, but if the fps is lower than like 150 it has a red fringe

[astral haven]

the vii stands for vega 2 and its called the radeon 7 as a joke

it was also the first 7nm gpu and released on 2-7

[empty wren]

Wrong place seb I know it has been a minute

[cobalt plaza]

True, I'll post it in memes then

[stray hazel]

incorrect the best is a 540hz if you don't care about it being a TN panel, honestly, I would get a TN if your just playing competitive games plus Optimum tech said it was actually worth coming from a 240hz monitor to a 540hz over a 500hz monitor

[tropic ore]

yuh

[neon moth]

anyone know a good 244 or 300hz monitor for under $250

[zenith silo]

Under 250? No

But the xg2431 is the best price to performance 240hz

It's a great monitor

[mild dome]

Might just need to accept either
Used
Or passable

[zenith silo]

I paid 400$ CAD though

[neon moth]

I’ll prob find it for cheap on black friday

[dreamy tendon]

there's the asus vg279qm and vg259qm that are 27 inch and 24.5 inch 280hz fast IPS monitors

both can be had brand new for under 300 US$ pretax

i recently picked up a refurb Acer 25XV2Q Fbmiiprx for like 150$ off ebay, which is a 390hz 1080p IPS monitor

[rough osprey]

why superlight 2 back to expensive:(

[stray hazel]

Yo, anyone using a Lamzu Thorn for palm grip, if so how is it?

[merry geyser]

do new keyboards come with improved hardware and design or are there no differences with 2022 released keyboards and 2023 released keyboards

[severe phoenix]

https://www.techradar.com/news/sony-patent-would-have-you-yell-at-your-tv-to-skip-commercials

[wheat plume]

.... I've seen rumors of this since years ago

Oh fuck no it's real

[reef patrol]

Calm your mammaries. They've made patents for this for as long as Television has existed.

[wheat plume]

:/

[cursive summit]

https://www.techpowerup.com/315300/nvidia-might-be-forced-to-cancel-ususd-5-billion-worth-of-orders-from-china

Oof, bad for stock prices

[marsh glade]

Next three days are going to be a carnival ride for stock prices in general

[cursive summit]

NV will soar cause they will defo report record earnings again

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/gB9yzVPfnJg

THE MOUSE STILL USES LIGHTNING PORT??

[cursive summit]

Yes, we already discussed that

Didn't you yourself discuss that?

[wheat plume]

yeah the old magic mouse

their new one sstill uses it too

[cursive summit]

Why tf are they calling the magic mouse as a "masterpiece"

It's a fuckin trash product

[wheat plume]

^

wat

[cursive summit]

I have never held a worse mouse in my life

I guess it's sarcasm

[final flame]

oh no a message in the spectogram
this is the work of satan clearly

• Christian Mothers

[wheat plume]

Apple gonna be stuck on 8GB RAM as their base for the next fucking decade

[reef patrol]

But Apple RAM is more optimized than Windows RAM

[wheat plume]

yeh but its 200 extra to get 16GB 🤦‍♀️

200 dollars for 8gb RAM

[reef patrol]

BUT THE COST OF DEVELOPING THE SOC, LANA

regurtigates all the silly arguments from yesterday's debate

[wheat plume]

AND THE COST OF HAVING A MACHINE SOLDER IT TO THE BOARD

xd

Still got to love how they are comparing the performance to the Intel models of the macbook

[final flame]

most of the time it's just random noise
a spectrogram only maps out frequencies and their intensity in time
youtube doesn't even perfectly cut off the frequencies for whatever reason, that could very well be what you're seeing

a couple youtube rips for example

compared to a real 48khz song

mans listening to the spectrum lol

[reef patrol]

That's three steps short of listening to number stations ASMR (lofi edition)

[final flame]

it's semi correct

only one of them I'd consider weeb as it's a anime intro

the other 2 are quite normal songs

[misty saffron]

that implies some wouldn’t consider that weeb shit

[final flame]

one of them is a When I'm Gone cover
one of them is Promise by Kohmi Hirose
one of them is a anime opening
I'll let V guess which one is which

[cursive summit]

https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Tracer-VI-Gaming-GM6PQ7Q Holy shit

[ashen spindle]

I can tell you Sokens music live as a rock band, piano concert and from a symphony are all great and idfk what fingerprints they would make on a spectrum

[cursive summit]

RTX 4070 laptop with 240Hz screen for 1200$

Seems it's a clearance sale

[final flame]

piano music tends to be like this

[ashen spindle]

And what is piano mixed with an otamatone?

[final flame]

if you have spek you can check what result you get

https://www.spek.cc/p/download

great little tool

[ashen spindle]

Don’t think there is a recording of that yet without it being a phone recording from the concert so I don’t think it would show the real graphs

[final flame]

spectro is also cool as it shows a cutoff

[rough osprey]

or use audition

[final flame]

eh audition is slow compared to these

slow to open

spek opens instantaneously and you can just drag and drop files into it
works perfectly and is really lightweight

[cursive summit]

https://vxtwitter.com/MoondropLab/status/1719649835114991618

Huh

Are they using AI to generate their product previews?

They spit out so much media I was quite surprised with the amount of money spent on marketing

[old marlin]

wdym

[cursive summit]

#GirlsFrontline yet the product is "Girls Frontlint"

[old marlin]

is that like belly button lint?

[cursive summit]

I have no clue

[rough osprey]

that wouldn't be the first time for moondrop

[cursive summit]

But that is a typo on the damn box of the product

You don't ship that

[final flame]

could be a easy misspelling
it's a not yet released product, these things happen especially when your brand isn't a native english brand

even I misspell stuff on occasion, it can happen to anybody

[cursive summit]

Thought they started using AI since AI loves to hallucinate

[final flame]

trust me AI wouldn't produce text that good looking

[cursive summit]

Well if that is not a graphical render and an actual finished box, surely someone was like "wait, why is there a T instead of E"

[cursive summit]

It does

Dalle3 can do text no problems

[final flame]

the design is too precise for ai

[rough osprey]

the void had "viod" on it

[cursive summit]

It just hallucinates

[rough osprey]

before they noticed

[old marlin]

what

ah

china moment

[final flame]

yea

these things happen

[old marlin]

I have seen them write their own names wrong in software

so yea

[cursive summit]

Fair enough

[final flame]

yea I do not like auditions spectogram

okay this is the right one

[rough osprey]

is a cool software

[final flame]

too bad it's not free

[old marlin]

https://wccftech.com/intel-5th-gen-xeon-platinum-8592-emerald-rapids-cpu-leak-64-cores-448-mb-cache-922w-tdp/

bruh

922w

[cursive summit]

Isn't that fine in servers?

[old marlin]

not really

you still need to pay for power and cooling

[cursive summit]

Oh lord epyc 9654p is just 360W with 96 cores

Why is Intel so hard bent on stacking more watts for performance instead of just creating a properly good microarchitecture that's efficient

[old marlin]

pure core count does not tell everything obv

[cursive summit]

Or is their node the problem?

[old marlin]

idk

but if they crank power up that high they prob have performance issues?

[cursive summit]

I can only assume they can't compete otherwise

[old marlin]

and just brute force the last few %

[cursive summit]

So, what's the problem, microarchitecture? Their manufacturing tech?

They seem to have competent engineers all things considered

Intel 10nm just sucks?

Not to mention that Intel's pricing is insane nowadays, where are those costs coming from

14900K is like 650$-700$

Hm https://medium.com/@rafaelmanzanom/ditching-cuda-for-amd-rocm-for-more-accessible-llm-inference-ryzen-apus-edition-92c3649f8f7d

[thick elk]

Reading the article it mostly runs at 350w at 2.9ghz base, but can be adjusted to 922w.
Intel's p-cores scale rather well with a larger power budget, doesn't mean it makes sense to actually run them as such.

[rough osprey]

why the lower polling options faster on some

[old marlin]

finalmouse results are mega sus

those are literally not possible btw

average result can only be as good as half the total interval time

so at 1khz it can only be at 0.5ms/500us or higher

[rough osprey]

idk its from the Optimum video

has anyone looked at the software

[old marlin]

I have looked at xlat before

it's not just software

data looks like finalmouses

he has the same numbers for some at least

[rough osprey]

he says its his data

[old marlin]

then xlat is just shit

the results are not possible

[cursive summit]

Black magic

Buy finalmouse, totally not overpriced mouses

[old marlin]

also he didn't test razer 8k

[rough osprey]

ah so fm doesn't limit clicks on 1k to 1k

[old marlin]

even the m2k result is impossible

[cursive summit]

GPX2 seems a pretty insane result

The only of those that looks normal is the Viper V2 lol

My Viper is pretty damn great

[old marlin]

also in comparative testing the m2k did 0.6ms better on 8khz

[cursive summit]

0ms is baseline?

[old marlin]

comparative testing

the ikari was the original baseline

that is why the m2k has a negative result

[cursive summit]

What's Ikari on

[old marlin]

since it is faster than the ikari

[old marlin]

wdym

[cursive summit]

Like, what's ikari's click latency

[old marlin]

it just used to be the lowest one

[rough osprey]

how do they test

[old marlin]

that one?

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-8000-9000-apu-roadmap-leaks-out-strix-point-to-launch-mid-2024-fire-range-and-strix-halo-in-2025

[rough osprey]

yes

[old marlin]

use a known mouse for control (in this case the g203)

then use crocodile clips

to connect the switch of it and the mouse you test

[cursive summit]

MLID is just inventing AMD slides out of nowhere

[old marlin]

and you compare the difference in input delay between the two click events

[cursive summit]

Like, those slides look photoshopped af

[ashen spindle]

they look exactly like basically all slides and it has like no new info?

[old marlin]

they look like AI upscaled or something lol

[cursive summit]

Kinda?

[rough osprey]

with what device

[old marlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pmwP4BO4nE

[old marlin]

no device needed

just 2 mice, a crocodile clamp cable

and lr.exe/a.exe

which just compares click latency of left click vs right click

[cursive summit]

Strix Halo being supposedly a 2025 product is making me sad

I was hoping to see it next year

[ashen spindle]

it was from the beginning set tyo Q4 so if its Q4 or Q1 isnt really a change

[rough osprey]

ah

and how do they get the latency per mouse

[old marlin]

doesn't work with all mice (especially wireless and optical mice)

[cursive summit]

Also, RDNA4 is supposed to be out next year, why are none of the roadmap items featuring RDNA4

[old marlin]

wdym

they just compare to a baseline

[cursive summit]

And why is RDNA2 still a thing on Rembrandt-R

[old marlin]

the way to "properly" get the right result is a 15k USD device

[ashen spindle]

because this is still nothing new? same thing with older apus

they dont get gpu ip the moment it hits desktop

[rough osprey]

ah they only do comparisons?

[old marlin]

yes

well, newer TPU stuff is often LDAT

due to the limitations the other method has

but LDAT is less reliable

a bit at least

XLAT (the new finalmouse thing) seems to be mega unreliable

their data changed a lot when adding more samples

which doesn't happen that much with LDAT even

[rough osprey]

maybe someone tests the tester

other then that the fm looks good

if no qc issues

[old marlin]

prob

[rough osprey]

when is the small one dropping

[old marlin]

I think next batch was supposed to be this month

but who knows

[rough osprey]

okayy

hoping i can get zeromouse tho

seems cooler

[lofty pivot]

small isn't until batch 3 lol

[rough osprey]

😭

[lofty pivot]

so if the 1 month delay keeps up they won't even offer small until maybe january (and that's to order not receive)

[rough osprey]

will it release before alleged superlight mini

[lofty pivot]

they're such a crummy company with the false marketing and fake shipping dates, who even knows when they'll actually ship the small

[gusty kiln]

https://zowie.benq.com/en-us/mouse/ec2-cw.html

Zowie lowered prices for those who care

[upper comet]

nice nice

wanted to try a zowie mouse since people that like them think theyre like the second coming of christ

[old marlin]

not worth bothering imo

they fell off

[fickle ore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CafNK6efFfA

[reef patrol]

Unless that mouse comes in a full body shell, they haven't won anything other than the cheddar grating championship.

[crystal halo]

[crisp granite]

they totally did
assuming their QC is up to snuff

[reef patrol]

[crisp granite]

now that they're finally moving away from their artificial scarcity bullshit, I actually kinda...might want to get one?

[reef patrol]

To be fair considering how widespread this scroll issue on the Logi Superlight is, it can't take much to beat them.

The wireless connection also sucks ass.

[crisp granite]

the thing is

[fickle ore]

yeah its pretty good

[crisp granite]

for the price of a finalmouse whatever

I'd rather just spring the extra hundo

and get an M3K when that comes out

[fickle ore]

can't do that since wired

[crisp granite]

I prefer wired

and they make damn nice wires
can barely tell they're there

[fickle ore]

Yeah, well, hard to beat it for wireless tho

[crisp granite]

a thin wire means no battery on the mouse
saves you a good couple grams at least

[crisp granite]

oh, true
Finalmouse has definitely set a high bar

[lofty pivot]

Good luck with that lol

[crisp granite]

assuming you don't end up with a dud

[lofty pivot]

They haven’t even shipped batch 1

[crisp granite]

I know