🔌│tech

[vagrant pagoda]

Other than making micro plastics

The stuff used to make Teflon, and its' decompensation products are toxic

[old marlin]

no even then it is quite bad

it's not toxic

but you can't really get it out of your body

since it accumulates somewhere

[vagrant pagoda]

It doesn't get in your blood unless you have an exposed cut

It's too inert to be absorbed via digestion

[old marlin]

gets in your lungs though

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes and because it's soft and slick it doesn't do damage

And you will eventually cough it out

Not saying it's good for tou

But it isn't bad as long as it stays ptfe

[rough osprey]

mousefeet do look yummy 😋

[vagrant pagoda]

I would never use ptfe cookware though

[fickle ore]

lol

[vagrant pagoda]

Literally scientific fact

They use ptfe in surgery because your body ignores it and it doesn't react

[fickle ore]

I trust you not 😄

[vagrant pagoda]

Trust science

[fickle ore]

prove me wrong

[vagrant pagoda]

The second most common implant material for a reason

[fickle ore]

link me something

[vagrant pagoda]

Only behind titanium

[placid wind]

hi guys anyone using Artisan zero mousepad? is it possible to recommend to choose Xsoft or Soft? cant make a choice:(

[fickle ore]

https://taenk.dk/kemi/english/avoid-ptfe-your-dental-floss
there is a link to the studies

"The study compared fluorinated substances in the blood of 178 women with their consumption patterns such as eating habits and the use of dental floss. The result shows a correlation between flossing with PTFE and higher levels of fluorinated substances in their blood. The study also underlines that more data is needed to establish the connection."

thats just one random study

If you think breathing dust isn't getting ingested I dont know what to tell you

[vagrant pagoda]

And none of that says ptfe is bad

[fickle ore]

moving goalposts

first it was that it is not bioavailable

[vagrant pagoda]

No

[fickle ore]

You would be correct to say we have not YET found evidence that it is bad. That doesn't mean it's not bad either.

[vagrant pagoda]

See

And it isn't bioavailable

The ptfe is being directly introduced to the bloodstream when flossing

[fickle ore]

Ha, from cuts? Lol

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes

That isn't bioavailablily

Anything can be found in your blood if you put it in the blood

Lol

If you eat ptfe it will not absorb into your bloodstream

[fickle ore]

You think abrading ptfe or ptfe dust doesnt have nano-micrometer wide particles that pass the blood-brain barrier?

[vagrant pagoda]

Again ptfe is inert

The literally use it in brain surgery

To support blood vessels

[fickle ore]

Oke bruv, believe what you must. Like said there is no evidence yet, but that is not fact that it doesn't do anything.

[vagrant pagoda]

They literally use PTFE in brain surgery and you're worried about somehow it going from mouse feet into your brain

[fickle ore]

straw man

[vagrant pagoda]

Facts are supported by evidence, that's what makes them facts

The fact is there is loads of evidence that ptfe is inert

And there is none that ptfe reacts negatively with the body.

[fickle ore]

if you understood what a fact is you wouldn't be touting it here

[vagrant pagoda]

What is a fact to you then

[fickle ore]

Irrelevant to the question at hand. With that said I'm out. I see nothing to gain here. UHMWPE tape is a good alternative to ptfe skates tho, but its not without its issues.

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah lower wear but with higher friction

[vagrant pagoda]

By your own statement, isn't it just as bad it have pe vs ptfe.

[fickle ore]

I'm not qualified enough to answer. Maybe. I'm not sure if there is any evidence of polyethylene being endocrine disruptor. There are some papers saying it might be. But it's much more abrasion resistant material than PTFE so the dust problem should be lessened. I can't find the biological human half-life for uhmwpe, so I can't compare the two. Perhaps it is as bad as PTFE on that front since both are highly resistant and inert substances. Microplastics, their breakage pattern and resulting particle size and health effects are another topic.

[vagrant pagoda]

Thing is if you eat any foods made in a factory

You are ingesting PTFE and uhmw

PTFE is used in contact rated food lubricants

[fickle ore]

thats true

we need wide pfas ban on the food industry

[rough osprey]

nice

thats crazy

have ddr4 and 5 is cool

wishing you slow shipment

[ashen spindle]

what do you play that that upgrade even makes sense though

[thick elk]

Was about to say could also have gotten the 13900k instead of the 13900k (2023) but looking at the price they cost the same.

I guess he just wants to stay warm this winter

[ashen spindle]

threadripper?

[fair gull]

a cpu way better for the suggested workloads

[thick elk]

Also going threadripper is expensive to start but will be much more performant with cpu rendering.

I can see the upgrade making sense, still it is rather expensive for the gains

[ashen spindle]

if its for productivity more cost should easily be made up with the shorter times

[fair gull]

^

[thick elk]

It of course depends on the exact circumstances

[fair gull]

times money

[thick elk]

how much time is lost how much money do you have and so forth.

[ashen spindle]

?

threadripper is way ahead of this still

[fair gull]

unless we look at single core benchmarks for productivity... a threadripper will probably easily be way ahead of intel

[fickle ore]

Gratz for the upgrade

[fair gull]

welp the stock 7995wx easily beats the i9-14900k

[thick elk]

Not saying there is no uplift just questiioning the middle ground of spending €600+ on an upgrade for productivity when there are much stronger gains to be had for more money.
Just seems like a weird middle ground with a significant power increase.

[fair gull]

i did read

[ashen spindle]

more curious why the old system was a 12700k and not older TR if its for production

[fair gull]

threadripper

[ashen spindle]

threadripper

xeon-W then, same thing on intel just worse

[fair gull]

oh right xeon-w still exists

[ashen spindle]

why not intel workstation then, they also had options and now have some more

just trying to understand the usecase

[fair gull]

no one said that

[ashen spindle]

.

[fair gull]

its just a weird choice when you know you mainly do productive workloads

[ashen spindle]

I assumed gaming since that makes the most sense, if its not for that I'm just wondering why not a workstation setup if its a workstation

[fair gull]

its like using a lamborgini when you work for DHL and need to deliver 300 parcels a day

[ashen spindle]

I'm not even saying its a bad purchase because I dont know what you do that's why I'm asking

because it seems like a not ideal choice to most cases

[thick elk]

That being said a serious threadripper or xeon W is a lot more expensive and it depends on exactly how much money you have / rendering time.
Productivity cannot be generalized as it's often fairly specific.

That said It seems like a niche middle ground where the 14900k seems the best upgrade path.

[ashen spindle]

well if hes not saying whats it for I assume it's just a troll anyway, there might be some case where it makes sense, which is why I'm asking

that's why literally my first comment was a question

[thick elk]

Fair enough.

[ashen spindle]

but seems more like a troll than a genuine thing at this point

[cursive summit]

8000 single-core?

That's really damn high for AMD

[fair gull]

no one shat on your purchase

[ashen spindle]

how is asking a question shitting on it

if it makes sense its a good purchase, in most cases it would not be that is why I'm asking what the use is

but I'm not going to pretend that if you say you just put a 500$ bill on fire that I'd not call that stupid xD

[thick elk]

I would not call it $ 500 as the 12700k still has resale value

[ashen spindle]

no I meant as a case of literally doing that

if something is stupid I'm not sugarcoating it, if it has a use then I'm not shitting on it because it makes sense

[fair gull]

idc if they wasted money or not. im just interested why a self admitted productivity setup uses a mainly gaming opriented CPU (after telling us thats WE dont look at productivity benchmarks)

my assumption is it was a gaming setup and its just repurposed now

or trolling

[thick elk]

That itself is not surprising, as not all productivity workloads have enough time loss from using mainstream product to warrant the investment. Nor do productivity workloads always have to be professionally.
If rendering gives you an hour or two of downtime a week, cutting that in half for a certain amount of money may be worth it, going all in for a much more expensive upgrade would not be.

But yea circumstances would be good to hear here as it could be a good or bad upgrade depending on them.

[ashen spindle]

wouldnt even take a full sentence to mention that though unlike being all smug about "hurr I knew youd say that"

[fair gull]

literally why quin inquired and i got interested as well

[thick elk]

Let's just say the way we phrased it came of a bit harsh. Then again he certainly was not giving us much.

Seems I share 2 other discords with him, posted the same everywhere, did not really engage with comments on either.

[fair gull]

well it is as theres the xeon-w line

[cursive summit]

So 70% of PC market?

[fair gull]

intels own workstation cpus

[cursive summit]

Which just sadly kinda sucks

[fair gull]

the current top model outperforms the core series i believe

and not just slightly

[ashen spindle]

yes not everything is cinebench, xeon-w is getting a beatdown but has usecases

[fair gull]

agreed

[devout raptor]

dark rock pro 5 looks worse than dark rock pro 4

[sharp badger]

Is it better though?

[devout raptor]

yeah but not a lot

my rtx 4070 has crazy coil whine i just noticed

[halcyon moss]

You forgot in your blood

[rough osprey]

whole bot situation has gotten so much worse on twitter

half my notifications are bots

[dusk cedar]

delete press not working however showing press on AOE rgb

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258

[dusk cedar]

after pc restart and usb detach retach it worked

[ashen spindle]

ok this is still not the right channel for troubleshooting it

[dusk cedar]

however after restart it still didnt fix itself so it was a wooting issue

if people have this happen and search it i want ppl to know how to fix it thats why i wrote it

does th

[dusk cedar]

does this confirm its a wooting issue @ashen spindle

[ashen spindle]

still belongs into #1019755933959733258

[dusk cedar]

its a tech talk question deffo

discord mods iswtg

theyh wont even let me type in a chat without giving me shit

[cursive summit]

He's not a mod nor is he wrong

Tech talk is for technological discussion, like idk, fans, GPUs and workstation CPUs like some peeps were talking just above

[ashen spindle]

if its for people finding an issue then it makes sense for it to be in the channel where people post issues

[cursive summit]

Yes, shoo off to #1019755933959733258

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9VC4_uxNvs

Why tf would you spend that much on a board

Especially one that is effectively a dead platform

Intel 15th gen is not going to slot into LGA1700

Indeed they won't, LGA 1851 is next

[halcyon moss]

I. Remember good boards costing 80 bucks

[sharp badger]

It actually have a Debug display 😆

[thick elk]

There were expensive though not as expensive boards back in those days too.
But yea prices have gone up a lot.

and the premium 7 segment display is kind of bs

Part of the price hike is people want more bling for a decent motherboard, vrm's have gotten beefier and signal integrety for ddr5 / pci-e4/5 is more expensive.
not to mention a price hike of the chipsets themselves.

[sharp badger]

Yeah there's lots of good looking mobos but that Debug display is on so few

Also what's peoples favourite ''ear tips'' to have on IEMs? 🤔

[thick elk]

The only ear tips I can comfortably wear are foam ones, they just don't last that long and are very much a consumable.

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/l9m3IKG8i88

freaking bill gates....damn Arun!!

[pale sigil]

Very happy with my pixel 7a today

Every since android 14 my battery has been significantly better

[wheat plume]

Could say that Android 13 was very unlucky with battery life?

:P

[empty wren]

that is just the norm battery ends up sucking on a version then gets better the next

[frozen ingot]

am so sick of my poor battery life phone

[pale sigil]

I re flashed it too

[steep creek]

loll

[pale sigil]

So it wasn't even a case of botched files

[frozen ingot]

barely gets half days use per charge

its getting rather tedious, particularly given lightning cables tendencies to lose its connection from even very suble movements of eithet device during charging

[fickle ore]

@cursive summit did u see Intc beat forecast in q3 last friday

link?

[warm night]

i find foam sooo uncomfortable

but my ears are on the smaller side, may have something to do with it

[fickle ore]

oh well revenue down but with better node that will hopefully change

[sharp badger]

Might test some SpinFit Ear Tips but want to check if there's some other good options

[warm night]

im currently just using the ones that came with my fiio fh3 and theyre pretty comfortable

i have kiwiears cadenza too and the tips from that were kinda meh, but i had more from the fh3 that i put on it, was much more comfortable after

though i'll have to try some spinfits soon ish

[woven laurel]

🔳

boo!

[hollow carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-scared-scary-sad-gif-26439591

[cinder tinsel]

What mouse is good for every game and you can do on it butterfly clicks and drag click for minecraft

[cursive summit]

"butterfly clicks"

https://tenor.com/view/knife-butterfly-gif-18150234

[crisp granite]

...jeez

I hate to admit it, but I remember decent mobos being available for like...less than 100 of the local

my current mobo cost me 125 at the time

[frozen ingot]

I member pc parts actually being affordable

good times

[crisp granite]

Asrock just released an ITX AM5 mobo

that isn't shit

shockingly impressive for 140 USD
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-620i-lightning-wifi/p/N82E16813162150

that's on par price wise with Gigabyte's usual token ITX mobo that really has no bells and whistles whatsoever

...not bad price wise

but dear god that looks ugly

oh crap I see

woah

[crisp granite]

IO on this guy ain't much

still more than enough for me

[sharp badger]

Was thinking of building an AM5 PC in the Fractal Terra (Jade) so would be nice if there's loads of features

[frozen ingot]

a couple more usb 3's on there woulda been nice but worst case it can be added with a pcie 1x controller board

[crisp granite]

...no

this board has ONE PCI-E slot

and that's for a GPU

it's mini ITX :D

[frozen ingot]

well yea but that's a x16 is it not

no additional tiny 1x?

[crisp granite]

none at all

just the one slot

[frozen ingot]

gnarly

[crisp granite]

could bifurcate

but idk of any recent mobos that do support that

[frozen ingot]

I swear our rich ecosystem of various plug-in boards and devices is one of the very greastest things aboout the PC platform

[crisp granite]

100%
but...muh backpack sized PC :(

[frozen ingot]

but the way things are going I can't help the market is heading towards the opposite direction lately

[thick elk]

This is exactly the motherboard I have, it's fine, just beware it has a lot of usb-2 ports if you put hubs in there it could get messy.

Livemixer that is

[frozen ingot]

not unentirely thanks to more "modern" pc owners

[crisp granite]

tbh, I think the demand just isn't there any more

now that you can get pretty much everything on a mobo

an add in card better than integrated will be a hard sell for most people

the only real add in cards I know of that get some use today are PCI-E slotted storage and wifi cards
pretty sure sound cards are dying a slow death

[thick elk]

This is how it looks in my build (recently got a case to review and keep so I did)

[crisp granite]

nice

[frozen ingot]

yeah even most pc builders these days build really "vanilla" rigs on average

by that I don't mean its not fast but rather not much or any "weird" additions

[crisp granite]

SFF is the only really interesting field of PC category to me

since...well

everyone is just making the same generic mid tower

having to play with undervolting, balancing cooling, cable managing, etc
all to get a much more dense system

actually interesting

[empty wren]

Anybody here make a diy standing desk?

[frozen ingot]

yeah, if the pc building market finally does croak like some certain predictions have we'll mostly have ourselves to blame over it really

[crisp granite]

...yep

then again
mainstream brands are starting to take ITX seriously

[reef patrol]

Beyond taking an existing frame and slapping a new block on it? No. That's pretty intense welding and engineering 😄

[crisp granite]

so that's exciting

[empty wren]

I see fair enough

[frozen ingot]

basically the manufacturers will just look at what 99% of people buys and puts together anyways and then make a copypasta of that formula but prebuild

[crisp granite]

more supply of SFX PSUs, more mainstream and common ITX cases

I mean...just the damn NR200

generic, solid entry level priced case

but ITX

more budget oriented mobos
low profile coolers getting attention

ID Cooling absolutely dominating that field

...other than not shipping to Canada

speaking of which my IS-67XT showed up

[frozen ingot]

tbh if everyone do ends up building largely the same spec and manufacturers just makes it prebuild and ready there might even be some savings or at least evening out between console and pc

[crisp granite]

won't work for when people inevitably want something different
or specialised

it works fine for most people

but some of the dweebs with needs
like us
would be out in the cold

woah

there is immense sleeper build potential in that

👀

[sharp badger]

Still it's kinda boring with black

[crisp granite]

sleeper build

the black box that spits out frames n rays n shit

[frozen ingot]

sometimes there just ain't enough of connosieurs to carry a whole product category on our shoulders though

[crisp granite]

Louqe moment

[frozen ingot]

though at current state writing this the leftfield market is still quite abundant

[final flame]

silverstone right?

[crisp granite]

they're still running their fire sale on Ghost and Raw cases

but working on new cases, so it is possible they're trying to refresh the lineup

[sharp badger]

https://www.silverstonetek.com/en/product/info/computer-chassis/sugo_17/

[crisp granite]

liquidate old stock

[sharp badger]

Those 80mm fans will sound like angry bees lmao

How do the new Arctic P8 Max sound though?

[frozen ingot]

also I can't help but find it amusing how fans smoller fans like 80mm or less are suddenly in vogue again

[sharp badger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJQzufB1glY These are not the Max but

Still the best looking but not most versatile ITX case is imo. the Fractal Terra

Yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rm6Vf8gg94 It looks so nice

It's also very small to be a 4080

300 x 120 x 50mm ProArt vs 357.6 x 149.3 x 70.1mm Strix

Yeah that too

Yep it looks kinda nice

While talking Transparent things seems like they've released a backplate for the Ally https://jsaux.com/products/rgb-transparent-back-plate-for-rog-ally

Ok was it a Silverstone case?

Ah that's right

Yeah lol

[stiff fable]

any chance to add seperate mouse clicks to affect wootility rgb?

just thinking itd be cool to click my mouse and have an effect come from the right hand side instead of whichever key was pressed

[pale sigil]

I like that

[wheat plume]

Why and how tf are the Decks speakers so so damn good???!!!
Even for stereo separation
Sounds like 3 channels
Left, right and center and it's so damn good sounding ☺️💜
So crisp and clear

[final flame]

that's what conventionally decent speakers sound like

[wheat plume]

But these are tiny ones inside a relatively small handheld

Yet they sound so so damn clear and detailed

[limber plume]

That Terra had a weird harmonics issue. Gamers nexus covered it in their review

[marble mauve]

I have a question

did the wooting 2 HE have any minor changes compared to the one that released in 2021?

Im comparing the one I just recieved and the one i had for a couple years.
i noticed the keys sound a little different(not bad at all)
and they have some texture to them compared to my old one with is smooth.

ok so wootility calls my old one the wooting 2 he, but the new one is called wooting two he ARM

[fossil pollen]

https://wooting.io/post/wooting-two-he-update-ready-for-our-first-arm-production

they added an ARM chip

[marble mauve]

thanks!

[hard wadi]

Do we know which arm?

[latent mural]

the 14900K is an exceptional gaming cpu lmao. You need a 4090 at 1080p medium without DLSS SR RR or FG to make a bottleneck. People are just hating because it's popular to hate on Intel

[reef patrol]

What a weird idea. Looking at the thing that matters for you 😄

[latent mural]

[reef patrol]

How dare the artist not consider the farmer's perspective.

[latent mural]

and of course a 14900K will draw more power than an 8 core AMD that runs on a newer arhitecture. Derbauer showed you can limit the CPU to Intel's stock spec PL1/PL2 253w, 307A. That way it consumes 230 watts in R23.

it takes 5 seconds to do that and no this is not undervolting

M1 is an ARM cpu

and it can not really compete in everything with something like a 14900k or 7950X

it is

I had one myself

it ran quite hot but the performance was really good

it was faster in single core than my cpu back then(9900K)

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-ultra-5-125h-ultra-7-155h-lenovo-yoga-laptops-listed-in-bulgaria-starting-from-1400

So damn expensive

[latent mural]

imagine calling ur cpu core ultra

[cursive summit]

Pretty sure high end x86 mobile CPUs are better than it by now

[latent mural]

well it depends which M1 he is talking about

there's also the M2s

and M3 is coming out soon

[cursive summit]

Basic M1

[latent mural]

the Basic M1 is easy to beat

[cursive summit]

Which is rather unremarkable

[latent mural]

its not a bad cpu but it is easy to beat

[cursive summit]

M3 I bet will be very unimpressive lel

[latent mural]

the basic bitch one will

the M3 Ultra will be quite nice

[cursive summit]

I am salivating rn with the idea that Nuvia team are bringing Arm to Windows

That Snapdragon X Elite will be amazing

[latent mural]

i don't care for ARM unless its a laptop and honestly Mac OS isn't that annoying to use to me anymore

so I'd go Mac regardless

especially for that battery life

[fair gull]

i see you didnt read any of the previous conversation

[reef patrol]

[fair gull]

yes because the entire discussion and questions before were to exactly figure out if some specific use case made the cpu upgrade worth it over going with a purpose developed productivity cpu

[latent mural]

wait what

also cores do matter

[fair gull]

well depends on the workload

[latent mural]

true

but to some degree they do matter

[fair gull]

its the same for cpu core frequencies though its always a question of what workloads will you mainly run. and in a productivity scenario theres a secondary question of how much times does it save. this usually equates to more work = more money or you have more freetime if youre a freelancer as projects are done sooner

but all of this depends on quite a few factors which we asked about but got never told like what workload (and implicitly what software/settings)

alas we will never know and can only speculate with plausible scenarios

oh you even renamed yourself

[latent mural]

why is he named renamemepls lmao

did he have a slur in his original name or what

[fair gull]

no

[cursive summit]

They had the name omg_hai like few hours before

So they.. renamed themselves to renamemepls

[fair gull]

and thats exactly why i didnt even know why they added to the convo

[latent mural]

i should put omg_alumaze b4 halloween as a coping mechanism

[reef patrol]

I renamed them by accident, because they found it fucking hilarious to pick an invisible avatar.

[latent mural]

ngl invisible avatar is only nice with invisible name but that's impossible to do

i kinda also miss the old tag naming system but it is what it is

[cursive summit]

Not possible anymore?

It used to be a thing

[latent mural]

well the username system is changed and they basically patched all the good invisible names since like 2020

i used to be an invisible name till then

it got so bad that they forced you to change your name when you wanted to change pfp

[reef patrol]

abusing your shit

That's rich.

[fair gull]

thanks for accusing me after mansen alreeady said they accidentally did it

[reef patrol]

[latent mural]

🗿

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/dis-gon-be-good-this-gonna-be-good-drama-gif-6058085

[umbral heron]

[fair gull]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-enjoy-i-like-nom-nom-gif-11040065238845078056

[latent mural]

brother just chill out its discord

stop taking this shit seriously

[final flame]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-drama-discorddrama-gif-22395692

[latent mural]

the fuck

[umbral heron]

[reef patrol]

Threatening physical violence against staff members is not a good way to start the day. Go touch some grass.

[fair gull]

the things internet anonymity does to people

[latent mural]

he must've lost that cpu argument pretty badly, if he threatens violence

[fair gull]

idk if there was a win or loss

not like anyone wanted to hate on it or smth

[latent mural]

idk why that even matters tbh, but i mentioned it as it probably does to him

it's not like the world revolves around his 14900K

[fair gull]

gd32f303

[latent mural]

wait he actually left

[fair gull]

you can find it in the search

[latent mural]

[halcyon moss]

its an expensive space heater afterall.. i'd also feel shame

[latent mural]

it's not really a space heater

if you lock it to its default power states

its more efficient than a 7950X

[halcyon moss]

but who in reality does that

[latent mural]

it takes 5 seconds

[halcyon moss]

then its still expensive :p

[latent mural]

💀

[latent mural]

not really

i'd say given that imo it's the best all round cpu you can buy right now it's pretty fairly priced

[halcyon moss]

€638, suuure

[latent mural]

the 7950X3D costs more

[halcyon moss]

also expensive

[latent mural]

the 7950X at launch was 700

[final flame]

Who needs a heater
just toss intel burn test on and fur mark and you've got the perfect heater

[umbral heron]

7950X has 16 cores
14900 has 8 cores and 16 "cores"

[latent mural]

or flash the 1000w bios to a 4090

[latent mural]

dont start with this

Games now use Ecores too, just because they are weaker doesn't mean they are slow or useless

[umbral heron]

But it's true
If you have to disable E-cores to achieve more FPS in games there's something wrong, innit?

[latent mural]

you don't need to

that's old info

that was when games were still coping with the big little design

now disabling ecores sometimes lowers fps

there is that too yes

the 7950X3D shows that the most

if the game isn't included in the xbox game bar 3d list or w/e its called, it will get outperformed by even a 7600X sometimes

all of these do it all cpus are so meh

the 7950X3D atleast is 8+8, the 7900X3D legit does not deserve to exist

sometimes its slower than a 5800X3D in games because of the cores lmao

[latent mural]

if you're gonna act like this, then the only real 8+ core cpus for you are the 10900K and Intel's X99/299 lineup

[halcyon moss]

mmx200 seem nice so far

[cursive summit]

https://www.techradar.com/computing/macbooks/apple-might-reveal-a-proper-gaming-product-at-its-october-event-and-if-it-does-im-going-to-go-nuts

Hm, what?

If they actually will, that will be very very exciting

The event is today right

[winter creek]

wait, apple and gaming? well.. if they manage to pull that off i am swtiching to mac

[cursive summit]

It doesn't make any sense to ignore gaming

Mac is a very big marketshare and devs 100% want to release games there

Just.. well.. Apple silicon isn't the best and you have to I imagine nearly completely rewrite games to play well with Mac, not worth it

[hasty thunder]

slaps the monitor stand for 1k
pretty sure that bad boy disagrees

[winter creek]

i just want the OS. no need for their hardware

[reef patrol]

And yet they've managed to do so for about two decades 😄

[umbral heron]

Well, MoltenVK works
And Valve isn't really keen on supporting gaming on macs, given the delay in new Steam client release and ditching support for CS2 for macs
Maybe Apple wants something akin to mobile ecosystem on macs, so they'd control it better

[cursive summit]

They are trying their best to make gaming work

When they do, I'll be considering Mac then over Windows

[rough osprey]

lets see if they can release a good gpu first

[cursive summit]

Discrete one? The costs will be massive lol

They should collab with Intel for dGPU tech

I imagine Intel would be relatively cheap for them

[rough osprey]

or make the integrated one good

[umbral heron]

If they tried they best they'd work on implementing DirectX/Vulkan and not rely on Metal

[cursive summit]

Or AMD, AMD has done dGPUs for them before

AMD is known to be really cheap and friendly with Sony, Microsoft, etc

https://vxtwitter.com/MoondropLab/status/1718915873636057464

Hmm, 90$ isn't a bad deal

[old marlin]

I mean look at how metal was shown off

[old marlin]

depending on how it sounds

salnotes zeros are stupid cheap

[reef patrol]

Apple have yet to actually invest in gaming properly. That did not change my mind in the slightest

[old marlin]

yea obv

[cursive summit]

Tbf Mac could be a serious problem for Microsoft if Apple starts taking gaming seriously

But then again Apple lost Nuvia so Apple silicon will prolly go to shit so they are useless long term

[old marlin]

not even

[umbral heron]

Maybe
But with current state of gaming they'd invest a lot to make games compatible with macOS
A lot of games just don't support it, and it's not quite that easy as with Linux, MoltenVK isn't as good, let alone Wine/Crossover

One can dream...

[old marlin]

apple just doesn't have enough horsepower atm

and if they release a dedicated gaming system it will essentially be a console like thing

[cursive summit]

And they prolly won't ever

[umbral heron]

Apple could go Nintendo route, aiming for more casual player base, they have plenty of horsepower for that

[rough osprey]

they like mobile gaming

[cursive summit]

Ooooh? https://www.androidauthority.com/qualcomm-snapdragon-oryon-cpu-2024-3378729/

Oryon looks incredibly powerful

Could be a really big breakthrough on the mobile performance front for Android

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/arm-sues-qualcomm-and-nuvia-for-breaking-license-agreement

Uh, right

I hope this fails and Oryon sees release

[ashen spindle]

Lawsuit won’t be done by the time it’s released and release is later half of 2024 so it’s competing against other stuff than they compare to now

[cursive summit]

Not much will release by 2025 though

M3 will, which we expect to be mediocre

Zen 5 which so far sounds like a +20% or so IPC uplift, pretty good but Nuvia seems to have it beat from the benchmarks Qualcomm provided

Arrowlake prolly will release, which again is prolly going to be ass

Battlemage? Might be integrated into iGPUs in mobile but I have little faith in them competing seriously

RDNA4 tbf could be interesting for mobile iGPU market

[ashen spindle]

What numbers did you look at to think it has zen5 and ARL beat

[cursive summit]

Qualcomm's own numbers they released

[umbral heron]

Intel may stir a bit in the GPU market, especially if they'll aim for low/mid-end market

[cursive summit]

I have heavy doubts Arrowlake or Zen 5 will compete with this at ultrabook level

Battlemage or RDNA4 isn't touching that either at ultrabook levels

[ashen spindle]

We meme about arrow lake because of the limited performance increase, not because its still so power hungry

And yes the gpu suite to test was 3dmark wildlife?

[cursive summit]

Wildfire Extreme

Which is pretty damn demanding last I remember reading

[ashen spindle]

No wildlife if some mobile suite from them

This isn’t firestrike or timespy

[cursive summit]

Again, I think that Snapdragon X Elite will be a major shakeup in the ultrabook market

Neither Intel nor AMD are ready for that thing

[ashen spindle]

Lol

[umbral heron]

Imma wait for independent benchmarks, not press releases

[cursive summit]

Gaming laptops and desktops will be just fine, that's not what Qualcomm are aiming at, methinks

But tablets, ultrabooks are getting pretty powerful

[ashen spindle]

This thing comes out when ARL is a thing and MTL likes Matches it in gpu already

[cursive summit]

AMD is ready for a shakeup of their own in fact

Strix Halo imo will be a big release

Been waiting for a product like Strix Halo for YEARS

And it's finally going to see the light of day next year, very big pogs

[cursive summit]

ARL we literally know is going to be shit

[ashen spindle]

Top performance is not an increase, doesn’t mean it can’t be super power efficient or similar

[cursive summit]

Eh, might be

But I think Snapdragon X Elite at low power levels will be unbeaten next year in mobile market

Intel in general does seem a bit clueless, not sure what they are good at anymore

Seems they are focusing on chipmaking fabs nowadays rather than releasing good cores

Servers Epyc are just better, Threadripper rips through Xeons, AMD sort of makes Intel consumer stacks look silly for the amount of money Intel wants for them

Mobile Intel I think is a bit better for now? More adoption for Intel there

[umbral heron]

I still don't understand why is Snapdragon X Elite
Windows on ARM is still wacky at best, and legacy app support, the very thing why Windows is so popular, is lacking heavily

[cursive summit]

Well Qualcomm is prolly working with Microsoft closely for improvements

[ashen spindle]

Man you are the epitome of „why aren’t the artists fixing the bugs in my game and make more skins instead???“ but for intel

[cursive summit]

Microsoft tends to work with Intel/Nvidia/AMD to improve the OS experience for new features

Qualcomm could be the new big 4th player

[umbral heron]

That's cool and all, but without something like Rosetta 2 for Apple, Windows on ARM may end like Windows Phone

[cursive summit]

Why do they need rosetta 2?

It runs natively, no?

Or is there some sort of emulation/translation layer there

[halcyon moss]

...

[umbral heron]

Overwhelmingly large share of apps on Windows are x86 targeted

That's why Windows 10/11 have WoW64, to run x86 apps on x64 OS

And with swap to ARM...

[cursive summit]

Can't be much worse than going from 32bit to 64bit

[umbral heron]

Oh, it will be much worse
With 32 -> 64 bit it's more or less memory mapping
With 64bit -> ARM it's whole new architecture

[cursive summit]

Indeed, but I think Windows could do something there

[umbral heron]

If they are to build whole ecosystem from the ground why just not swap to Apple, who already has it all established?

[cursive summit]

Who needs to swap to apple?

[fair gull]

gotta love having system32 containing 64bit images and syswow64 containing 32bit images

[reef patrol]

[old marlin]

arm cpu companies seem pretty interested to get a share of the laptop market

options for those will be windows and linux

[wheat plume]

companies caring about putting Linux on their laptops?? nah that wont happen ....

Well, Dell already did on some of their laptops I guess

[fair gull]

except it already is a thing for every big laptop brand?

[wheat plume]

every
no?

[fair gull]

theres always windows/linux(usually ubuntu) and no os

[halcyon moss]

yeah one or 2 models maybe

[fair gull]

i can only speak from the distributor side as i had to always watch out to order windows models

[halcyon moss]

but yeah.. doesnt matter much as you can install linux pretty easily

[wheat plume]

Dell, Lenovo, Hauwei... they are all I know who have Linux on some models

[fair gull]

hp, sony and asus also do

acer i cant exactly recall we didnt sell much of them

[halcyon moss]

freedos option is always fun

[fair gull]

oh thats another one yeah

thats usually sold as NOS though if youre a distributor

[halcyon moss]

that the.. we cant have it boot into nothing option

[fair gull]

yeah

NOS literally means no os

and its comes with freedos... an os

lol

[halcyon moss]

stop taking things so literally :p

[fair gull]

what world would we be in if it would be clearly labelled

smh

youre right

but yeah idk how it is in their own stores/online stores but they all definitely manufacture those 3 flavors or win/linux/nos

[halcyon moss]

not having to pay for windows is nice, but at oem level it doesnt make a huge difference

[fair gull]

well i was happy to buy nos devices for easier setup and the fact i dont get some dumb home or pro license we wouldnt have used

since it was usually deployed with an mak license

[old marlin]

I mean the ones that matter are dell, hp and lenovo

all of them will give you basically any device with linux if you want it

[fair gull]

i dont actually think they have a massive incentive to push windows besides customers want it

[old marlin]

well they have to make sure their machines are windows compatible

by having tpm etc

whatever else ms asks for

and windows will be the most popular option

[fair gull]

yes but i dont think they get paid to sell windows over linux or nos

[old marlin]

ig also makes it easier for them to have their tools bloatware preinstalled

[old marlin]

would assume so

[umbral heron]

AMD Pluton

[old marlin]

but idk

[fair gull]

oh yeah their tools are usually all win only

[umbral heron]

HP has a lot of their drivers for Linux too strangely enough
But not that bloatware apps they include with laptops

[old marlin]

drivers are not the issue

[fair gull]

their drivers or the suppliers they buy stuff from that have linux drivers anyway

like realtek

[old marlin]

they rarely have custom drivers

[wheat plume]

the only HP Drivers for Linux I know of are their printer drivers...

[umbral heron]

I meant tools, not drivers, shucks

[umbral heron]

Hi @wheat plume

[wheat plume]

yyyooooooooo

:P

[hasty thunder]

interesting o.o So HWinfo64 implemented PresentMon

[rough osprey]

nice

[hasty thunder]

FUCKING HATE FIXING THE DAMN FILE FOR AMD GPUS!!!

gimme a fucking Entry ID for the memory, AMD! DAMN IT!

[cursive summit]

Ah fuck off Apple event is at 2AM?

I'm not going to ruin my mental health by staying up just for some corporate shilling and how they "really really take environment seriously"

[crisp granite]

incorrect

stay up dingus

[cursive summit]

Fuck off

[crisp granite]

no

[hasty thunder]

you forgot the big announcement about stagnating "innovations"

[rough osprey]

people sleeping at 2am?

oh 1am for me

[umbral heron]

1:00 at night
They could make it at 10:00 PT, so it'd be 17:00 CET
Apple doesn't give a fuck bout Europe

[rough osprey]

nah people got stuff to do at 17

[hasty thunder]

mainly because they're mad about the EU and how they fuck Apple in the ass currently

[umbral heron]

USB-C scary
But it'd make a great presentation for Halloween

[cursive summit]

On another note, I fuckin love YouTube so much

I had to click the damn "never show me again" button on the Shorts shelf like 3 times already today for them to be like "k, no shorts for 30 days" to then show them again as I scroll down

What a shite site

[old marlin]

gamer time

[steep creek]

Late event lol. I still consider it to be held at 02:00 even though it’s 01:00 for me. Because winter time was adjusted last night or the one before

[hasty thunder]

i have a real shocker

[old marlin]

obv a hint

[hasty thunder]

every car owner fears them

[solemn remnant]

o I thought the more lights the better

[umbral heron]

Right Click > uBlock Block Element > Create 👍

[reef patrol]

Gotta get that jackpot.

[cursive summit]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/30/23914507/biden-ai-executive-order-regulation-standards

https://wccftech.com/qualcomm-unveils-more-snapdragon-x-elite-pc-cpu-benchmarks-23w-80w-reference-laptops-tested/

They comparing this to full power mobile chips

Not best in class ones, but pretty damn high end ones

Ngl looks pretty damn nice

Also really good to know that the wattage scaling is pretty damn good, from 23 - 80W

[umbral heron]

I shall use CSI tactics: Enhance Image

Imma wait for benchmarks

[rough osprey]

damn who cares about mobile cpus

[cursive summit]

I really want to know how big or small these fuckers are, the SoCs

[steep creek]

hm lets see how m3 scores. shouldnt be too long until it gets tested

[old marlin]

can't wait for m1 with higher power target round 2

[steep creek]

lol

[old marlin]

also that perf uplift seems quite mild

from 28 to 80W

[cursive summit]

Which is all it will ever be

M3 won't reinvent the wheel or propel Apple forwards in any way

M1 was a one-off and I bet Apple will be soon quite unhappy to find themselves in a position where they can't improve the design unlike their competitors

[old marlin]

they can improve the design

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/dA0xT5Bf_cc

[old marlin]

just raise power target by 20%

tape a few together

ez

[cursive summit]

So, Intel approach

Well that worked for them, for a bit

[steep creek]

hope windows for arm gains traction because i really would like an arm computer sometime lol

[rough osprey]

in 10years maybe

[ashen spindle]

why though, what do you think it would do better

[cursive summit]

Power efficiency

Arm so far has been so much more power efficient than anything x86

[ashen spindle]

arm is not better or worse in anything than x86

[cursive summit]

Keep coping

[ashen spindle]

as if you would know what difference ISA makes anyway

[steep creek]

im just curious of how well it would perform tbh

[ashen spindle]

thats fair

[cursive summit]

Oof

Good but.. not as good as expected

But that's just the 23W model so, large gains are expected with 80W model and also Windows 11 patches for Arm optimization

[old marlin]

is that control

running through woa

beating current/last gen intel

watt for watt

[ashen spindle]

thats gpu bound so ofc any intel igpu before meteor lake sucks

[old marlin]

fair

still impressive though

[cursive summit]

What's a woa

[old marlin]

windows on arm

[ashen spindle]

yes it's good but not that surprising

[cursive summit]

Ah, why the acronym

[old marlin]

cause it is long

[cursive summit]

I can't read chinese but I assume that's like 1080p medium or something

Pretty damn good result all things considered, 60FPS is very playable

[old marlin]

why assume medium

it's low

\

[cursive summit]

Ah, low

Graphical fidelity becomes tolerable at medium, so it makes little sense to test at low

https://www.windowscentral.com/hardware/laptops/qualcomm-brings-the-receipts-snapdragon-x-elite-gets-benchmarked-proves-it-beats-apples-m2-processor

Bit biased considering it's from Windows central

[wheat plume]

Didnt they make a review about the Deck calling it bad cause it didnt have Windows on it?

or was that some other website?

[ashen spindle]

We’re still over half a year away from that thing launching so we will see how good it really is in due time

[wheat plume]

oh yeah....it was this article LOL

[astral haven]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/MINISFORUM-V3-AMD-Tablet-New-Microsoft-Surface-Pro-9-competitor-detailed-in-new-teaser-video.763529.0.html
"1x USB Type-C (DisplayPort In)"
Excuse me what?
In???

[ashen spindle]

Yeah so you can use it as monitor

[astral haven]

yea but are they actually gonna do that???

[ashen spindle]

That’s why it’s a 3 in 1

[astral haven]

and will you be able to do touch?

[wheat plume]

omfh, a surface competitor from a well known brand, hell yeah

[ashen spindle]

I would assume it’s just an external display don’t think with touch but would be nice

[astral haven]

i mean weve had a bunch of those just to make you aware and they were all shit so far

[halcyon moss]

switch input, steamdeck input..

[astral haven]

im aware how awesome it would be yes

[wheat plume]

.....what you mean this wont have touch?

[astral haven]

for the external monitor mode

[wheat plume]

oh, for using it as a display, nvm yeah

[astral haven]

WTF

UHS-ii sd card!!!

im buying it instantly

both of my serious cameras have uhs ii, itll be nice to be able to offload the insane burst rates i get from my olympus, and the gigantic vids from my sony

[umbral heron]

It looks really cool
I wonder if there'll be NOS version

[halcyon moss]

i wonder what the price would be

[astral haven]

i expect very expensive

kinda sad about 16:10 rather than 3:2 but so be it

[ashen spindle]

Wonder if hawk point is just a rename or does get any upgrades, could be the spiritual successor to Van Gogh lol

[astral haven]

i suspect its just 8000

successor to phoenix not dragon range

[ashen spindle]

was more thinking because van gogh was surface product now this is a surface competitor product xD

[astral haven]

perhaps

but i suspect van gogh is gonna be a one off

[ashen spindle]

yeah at least till we get bigger changes in uArch that scales differently and all after Z5

[astral haven]

even then

we likely are just gonna see pretty much the same chip for the steam deck desktop unit

[ashen spindle]

Or the Z series becomes a bigger thing and then gets more tuning for that segment

[astral haven]

tru

suspect those will remain cut down main series tho

[ashen spindle]

I could see one cut down one more premium separate sku

[cursive summit]

So apparently right now for americans, or canadians as well idk, cause BestBuy region blocks all places than U.S to check their website

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/tcl-55-class-6-series-mini-led-qled-4k-uhd-smart-google-tv/6470273.p?skuId=6470273

399$ for a 55" miniled 4K TV with 120Hz refresh

That is pretty damn great

[astral haven]

i still doubt it wouldnt be a cut down strix halo instead for example

[rough osprey]

how many zones and what brightness

[cursive summit]

Google it?

I can't even access the website

Damn american region blocks

[ashen spindle]

I mean it depends how their APU segmentation goes and how future IO dies work, if it starts making sense to not go monolithic in lower parts too

[astral haven]

ye

[cursive summit]

This is actually a pretty insane TV for 400$

[astral haven]

but id still suspect z series will remain cut down of some other product line considering its supposed to be the cheaper gamer variant

[rough osprey]

works from Germany lol

[cursive summit]

Dolby Vision, HDR10+, HDR10, HLG, 144Hz VRR supported which is, insane, quantum dot, Dolby Atmos, Freesync premium pro

Wtf is HLG

Something with HDR, never heard of it

[rough osprey]

2 yo

oh its like hdr for live stuff

[astral haven]

or not live
its just a different format

[cursive summit]

Rtings says that it has only 128 dimming zones

[astral haven]

similar to dolby vision but not proprietary

[cursive summit]

But they say it's not noticeable very much

Gets pretty damn high marks for 399$

[steep creek]

Hm strange I can access it

[cursive summit]

Ah so it's the baltic region blocks then

[steep creek]

Haha could be

[cursive summit]

Although why tf I would have a region block when bestbuy afaik is fat man land only is.. weird

[rough osprey]

i mean its old

[cursive summit]

2 years old it seems, yes

But that's completely fine since it's a miniled and it's only 399 lel

[rough osprey]

i guess so

nothing super special then tho

[cursive summit]

Just the price is super low

That's what's special

[rough osprey]

damn my lg oled costs more now then i paid 2 yo

[cursive summit]

It shouldn't

Since CX the price stayed somewhat the same, maybe a tad bit higher

[rough osprey]

ye i guess they just dont get cheaper

[cursive summit]

Nor should they

OLED is still pretty advanced tech as far as I can see

[rough osprey]

ye lg doesn't even update much

basically same tv every year 😜

[cursive summit]

Have they even improved at all since my C10?

They just released C13 basically

[rough osprey]

bit brighter ig

nothing compared to phone screen changes tho

[cursive summit]

Those don't change at all though

Samsung has been on AMOLED2x for a long time

[rough osprey]

we now at like 2500nits

the climb isn't small

[cursive summit]

Ew, battery life killing

[rough osprey]

thats a different thing

[cursive summit]

https://vxtwitter.com/sama/status/1719020057311986149?s=20

Exciting

OpenAI is always cooking

[wheat plume]

this is such a nice way to have all your consoles and audio things setup <3

he also claims hes not an audiophile yet his AMP next to the Switch dock was 900 dollars ....

https://youtu.be/meC8ftPK2tE

[cursive summit]

@ashen spindle https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-10-29/apple-to-unveil-m3-m3-pro-m3-max-chip-macbook-pro-imac-to-reignite-mac-sales-lobgrqad

[steep creek]

I believe Mac sales were down 40% in the first quarter of 2023. Hope m3 really is a step up from m2, lol

[cursive summit]

I hope Apple fails

[steep creek]

Haha

I like their watches and phones, rest I don’t really mind

iPad too I guess

[cursive summit]

It'd be funny for a company I have 0 investment in to just go bankrupt

From richest to zilch

Unemployment would be sad though

[steep creek]

I mean you’ve had big companies fall before, definitely a possibility for them to fall sometime. But probably not anytime soon

[cursive summit]

Apple will only ever get richer

[steep creek]

Will see how it goes

[ashen spindle]

yeah m3 was likely the announcement since they first mentioned todays event

but that wont make or break the company, the pivot to XR could be a important moment though

[cursive summit]

XR?

[steep creek]

extended reality

[cursive summit]

I doubt XR will do much

Pricing is massive

And they are more leaning towards consumer side rather than business

[astral haven]

let vex know that q3 is xr and is $500

[cursive summit]

What https://www.ucdavis.edu/curiosity/news/impossible-millimeter-wave-sensor-has-wide-potential

I'm not too up to date on radar tech but that sounds insane

Nothing on the range though, that thing can't be reliable more than idk, a meter away

[fair gull]

first we wait for someone to reproduce it as always

[vagrant pagoda]

Is that peer reviewed?

"just subtract the noise" is a on paper solution to emf

If they have invented a 100ghz silicon bandpass that is cheap, that's Noble prize level

[cursive summit]

https://9to5linux.com/linux-kernel-6-6-officially-released-this-is-whats-new

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/intels-ceo-doesnt-seem-worried-about-arm-chips-from-qualcomm-nvidia-or-amd/

[crisp granite]

...

WHAT IS APPLE DOING?

OH ARM CHIPS IN LAPTOPS

[cursive summit]

Debil woman, go to sleep

You drunk

[frozen ingot]

as long as PCs run on x86 they're most likely right

[crisp granite]

correct

but my bedtime is far from now
and mommy hasn't said otherwise yet

[cursive summit]

Mommy says kick yourself in the head and go to sleep

[crisp granite]

you aren't mommy

[latent mural]

[frozen ingot]

drunk on a monday

sounds eastern european alright

[cursive summit]

They are Canadian

[frozen ingot]

just because the flag is red and white doesn't make it canada vex

[latent mural]

canadians arent real

fictional characters

[crisp granite]

[cursive summit]

Well I tend to call it "Better America"

[crisp granite]

[cursive summit]

Which is quite literally a fact

[latent mural]

everywhere is a bettre america

[cursive summit]

No but it's literally America, but better

[latent mural]

and so is every other country

[cursive summit]

It's in the americas, they speak american

And they are better than them

[latent mural]

i speak arizonian

[cursive summit]

It's the superior america

America 2, if you will

[latent mural]

🇺🇸 🦅

[cursive summit]

🥞 🇨🇦 🏒

[latent mural]

canada stole ice hockey from finland

[crisp granite]

And Finland stole it from Slovakia

Cry about it

[latent mural]

slovakia stole my girl

[crisp granite]

💀

[frozen ingot]

good, fuck slovakia

voted a putin lapdog into office

[astral haven]

Yikes
Double check time zones?

I've had Google and Apple both mess it up

[crisp granite]

Slovakia improved upon the wonderful game of Bandy from the Uck

By making the rink smaller and tolerating fistfights

[astral haven]

Rip

Ah

Yikes

BTW we don't work with [vendor] directly
We go through a reseller

[crisp granite]

My PC will sound like a jet engine

[astral haven]

Meh only 3k rpm

It's a droning noise not jet engind

[frozen ingot]

what brand of hearing aid are you using now?

[crisp granite]

Add some turbulence because restrictive case flow

[astral haven]

https://youtu.be/BpmHcfWJ0xw
This is the real deal

[crisp granite]

These guys are going to brute force it

[astral haven]

5400 rpm of official delta goodness

[crisp granite]

:/

[astral haven]

Not these delta fans
These use as much power as the average laptop lmao

Also yikes

[empty wren]

Inb4 his name was Rick

[umbral heron]

Question/Riddle for all y'all:
Which filesystem should I use for external SSD, given I want to hold potentially sensitive data for a few days, and to be able to connect it to PC and Android phone?
I do have a backup, but I'm going back home for a few days, and it's family stuff, photos, that kinda files, I want to copy to my parents
ext4 is out, because Android says it doesn't support it on external drives
exFAT also out, because some files were corrupted last time I wanted to copy them (disk is fine tho, works with no issues with ext4), fine for smaller USB sticks, for 1TB disk not so much

[cursive summit]

Why not just FAT with one of those Samsung T8s or whatever they are

They just released new ones

[rough osprey]

fat32?

[cursive summit]

Like, these exist https://semiconductor.samsung.com/consumer-storage/portable-ssd/t7-touch/

For.. data security I guess?

[rough osprey]

i mean what other options do you have lol

i think android doesn't like ntfs

[cursive summit]

Nintendo Switch likes ntfs methinks

https://www.samsung.com/lt/memory-storage/portable-ssd/portable-ssd-t9-2tb-black-mu-pg2t0b-eu/

This thing came out recently

Encryption is the best protection there is

[umbral heron]

FAT32 is no go for >4GB files
And there's a lot of videos there
It wouldn't be an issue overall
But mom wants to have some photos on her tablet

[halcyon moss]

Exfat then?

[umbral heron]

Thing is exFAT gives up after 100GB copied or so with my disk
There's no issue when formatted to ext4 though

[cursive summit]

Just Raid0

[halcyon moss]

Btrfs?

Xfs?

Or.. Reiserfs?

I assume by pc you mean windows. And that really limits your options

[umbral heron]

By PC I mean Linux, it's my parents' laptop with Debian slapped on it

[halcyon moss]

Ah! Hm

[umbral heron]

Maybe f2fs? Seems like Android likes it

[cursive summit]

Quick google says EXT

Whatever that is

[halcyon moss]

What's erofs

[umbral heron]

ext2/3/4, filesystem Linux uses
And Android is a-ok with it on internal partitions, but it doesn't accept it as an external drive

[cursive summit]

I don't see why NTFS or exFAT are a bad choice

For data security you can just encrypt, obviously

[umbral heron]

NTFS is a no-go, because I don't use Windows on any PC, nor Android supports it
About exFAT #🔌│tech message

[halcyon moss]

Some sources do say ntfs is supported

[cursive summit]

I saw that, and I'm unsure if your disk is just faulty or you didn't try enough

[halcyon moss]

But yeah.. Exfat is the only sure option.

[umbral heron]

I've used it today with exfat partition on it, nearly full to a brim, worked flawlessly

If so, Imma just go with ext4 and copy files in portions with some exfat USB stick

[halcyon moss]

Can you use 2 partitions

[cursive summit]

Calslock btw

Why do you want to use external storage

Why not.. cloud storage

[umbral heron]

Never mention cloud storage near me again

[halcyon moss]

One partition that android likes, 1 partition that Linux likes

[umbral heron]

https://tenor.com/view/last-chance-threat-final-warning-running-out-of-patience-gif-14370327

[cursive summit]

EMBRACE ONEDRIVE

[rough osprey]

NoOoOOO

[umbral heron]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-microsoft-fuck-microsoft-space-force-meme-gif-25356722

[cursive summit]

Ok

EMBRACE DROPBOX

[umbral heron]

The only cloud storage I will embrace is NextCloud
Hosted on my own drives and server
Locked up behind tailscale

[halcyon moss]

Exfat. And do aan integrity check when it's all written and synced

And remounted

And ship the integrity checks via a different medium

[umbral heron]

But it just gives up
I rsync like 100GB to it and it just flatlines to 2KB/s or so
Maybe I'll try to full format it and not only quick

[halcyon moss]

And let itsync

Zip or rar files with parity data

[vagrant pagoda]

I love next cloud too

[frozen ingot]

tbh at this point I'd rather just lose my files then get bombarded with more fucking cloud and subscription services

[potent arch]

man im in quite a dilemma right now

trying to figure out what parts to get for my new pc since my old one broke

[fossil pollen]

4090 kekw

[potent arch]

and i dont know which one of these are worth more bang for my buck

if only i were that rich xd

[fossil pollen]

just a bit of trollin, it is mega expensive

[ashen spindle]

both 6750 xt? cant see the models on the left

no left one looks like something else

[potent arch]

oh the left one is a 6800 and the right one is a 6750xt

[ashen spindle]

oh 6800 if its just 30$ difference

[potent arch]

yea but i dont know if vram or clock frequency is more important

[ashen spindle]

its an all around better card

[potent arch]

well i was thinking about that but id miss like 20$ if id chose that one

because im in €

[ashen spindle]

it's about 10-20% better for 5% more money

[potent arch]

so the price difference is a bit more

oops

the 6800 is around € 449,00

so its more like 70€ for me

[ashen spindle]

it will be better for longer bc it has more vram so if you want new titles that will make it a better option

[cursive summit]

Just get the 7800XT

[ashen spindle]

that just doesnt make sense if you look at the prices

[potent arch]

yea i think imma buy the 6800

it would barely fit my budget of 1000€ so thats nice

imma wait for black friday tho incase any better deals pop up

[cursive summit]

Well 6000 series gets AMFM but not hypr-rx

Kinda missing out on features in exchange for value

[ashen spindle]

paying 100$ more for the option to have one tick isntead of multiple settings is not a good value lol

[cursive summit]

Not what I said

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/colorful-allegedly-develops-single-slot-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-with-blower

Now that's a toaster

[cursive summit]

You lose the tick for value

Hypr-rx is cool but idk if it means enough for a budget shopper

[ashen spindle]

hypr rx is basically just a combination of existing things you can already use, you dont really lose out on something

[cursive summit]

You do

You cant run any of the hypr rx features together manually

Pick one, not all of them

Oh and also, anti-lag+

Big feature on Radeon 7000 series

[trim ember]

hey guys i'm new here and i have a quick question about keybinding, can I in any way change the key bindings of the shift key? ex. if i press shift and 1 i get !, can i change it to get a different special character? Thanks 🙂

[ashen spindle]

the OS handles that so you'd need to change how the OS interprets a key or use a macro for that

[trim ember]

I'll look in to it, thank you 🙂

[wheat plume]

wat

[ashen spindle]

good morning internet explorer

[wheat plume]

but whats it for??

macbooks or something?

[ashen spindle]

most likely yes, M3 reveal

[shadow minnow]

Do I hear hardware rt on Mac

[ashen spindle]

I'm just waiting for them to have BS slides that show it beating a 4090 at 5 watt

[cursive summit]

Apple reinvented rebar?

[shadow minnow]

That’s not the same thing I am pretty sure

Cache is a separate thing

[cursive summit]

Sounds the same

[shadow minnow]

Far from

Rebar is just sell ssd to GPU direct interfacing, this is different, this is about programs allocating GPU cache

[ashen spindle]

no encode just a decoder?

[cursive summit]

Lol those comparisons vs M2

Not big, as expected

[wheat plume]

I heard it has AV1 Encode!

/S

[ashen spindle]

M3% IPC

[cursive summit]

If they are just 20% better... Snapdragon has them beat

[wheat plume]

...is this the first time Apple has ever referred to their computers as PCs???

oh yeah

[ashen spindle]

MTL of apple, no cpu changes, decent gpu ugprades?

[wheat plume]

wont having no encoding be a problem for video creators?

[cursive summit]

They managed to disappoint me lol

There better be something for gaming

[frozen ingot]

let the apple hyperboly bs begin

[cursive summit]

Rosetta 3 or something

[frozen ingot]

"the fastest iphone we ever made" well no duh dipshits its the newest one

[ashen spindle]

you say that, but rocket lake was a thing too and that was a regression

[wheat plume]

ikr

[cursive summit]

Isn't 128 gigs of RAM... not that much?

[frozen ingot]

well did they do an apple keynote about how it was faster

[cursive summit]

1TB of RAM is a thing for workstations

[frozen ingot]

but yeah rocket lake was kind of an anomaly

[shadow minnow]

Well it’s also vram