🔌│tech

[warm night]

though you can mod that into the iso

dx12 yeaa

i think no luck with that

[cursive summit]

Tbf Windows 10 LTSC seems like best choice

2030s support, old version of 10 without much of the bloat

[warm night]

i used to use 1709 for a while back when i was some performance purist

didnt change anything meaningful but i was stupid

i just had less features

[rough osprey]

lol

[cursive summit]

What features has 10 ever implemented that really matter though, lol

[warm night]

i dunno

to be honest

[cursive summit]

https://www.gamesradar.com/goldenjoystickawards/?linkId=100000223296915

Hmm

[warm night]

yeah I dunno lol

[reef patrol]

It did try to modernize the control panel.

Of course that's still an ongoing process as of 11.

[warm night]

and make it inferior

now half of the stuff is in settings and half of it is in control panel

[rough osprey]

Andrejaaa

hahaha

[reef patrol]

I agree on some points. The neu control panel is not there yet - And it shouldn't hide as much as it does.

[cursive summit]

I kinda like this

Golden Joystick don't just lump all platforms into one

[warm night]

it looks nicer and when everything is in it it'll probably better given they dont hide too much

[cursive summit]

And be like "ok which one is more popular wins"

Not too sure why Nintendo GOTY has no Wonder, but eh

If it was up to me, Nintendo GOTY is TOTK, PC is Balder's Eight, Playstation XVI and Xbox Hi-fi rush

This just has to be paid slots lol

[rough osprey]

where is cs2 😜

[cursive summit]

Wtf is a turtle beach stealth pro

Nitro Deck?

Where's ROG Ally, Steam Deck?

[warm night]

the samsung drive isn't even the fastest one around given that gen5 ones exist

[reef patrol]

[cursive summit]

990 isn't good

[reef patrol]

What a random ass category.

[cursive summit]

970 is the one to still go to

[warm night]

its like the fastest gen4 drive though is it not

[cursive summit]

Samsung has a bit fallen off

I'd rather get WD's SN

[warm night]

idk my 990 pro is a big upgrade from my uh

pny ssd

[cursive summit]

What the fuck

[warm night]

some random 240 gb thing

[cursive summit]

Power wash simulator DLC?

[warm night]

power wash simulator is so good

[rough osprey]

i mean popular game

[warm night]

but how is that a contender

[cursive summit]

I have no clue lol

[rough osprey]

i have never heard the last 3 so

[warm night]

ik of dead cells

[cursive summit]

Hmm

Silksong is a good one

Hades 2 pretty good

[warm night]

ark 2 lets go

[cursive summit]

They are missing a game I think everyone wants to play

[rough osprey]

Minecraft 2

[cursive summit]

Metaphor: Re Fantazio

2024 release I think

Persona devs project

Looks absolutely insane

[warm night]

i have not heard of that

[cursive summit]

It's incredible

[warm night]

hm

[cursive summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btHGCpUPjPk

Persona devs

[warm night]

cant really watch that rn I'll check it out later if i actually remember (impossible challenge)

[rough osprey]

looks like weeb game

[cursive summit]

And that's fine

I absolutely love everything about Persona 5

[warm night]

whats wrong with weeb game

[cursive summit]

Seems like a successor of Persona franchise

[rough osprey]

genshin diffs this

[warm night]

genshin is actually good if you make it not gacha

same with star rail but honestly the gacha-ness hasn't really annoyed me

[rough osprey]

when is marathon releasing

[warm night]

but they might be the exception in this style of game

[cursive summit]

Wrong

Star rail genuinely sucks lol

Bad combat, bad open world, little exploration

It's a badly thought out game

[rough osprey]

although it probably ends the same way as the finals

[warm night]

subjective but i liked it

i have bad taste however so

[cursive summit]

I only speak facts so, keep your subjective to yourself

[warm night]

🤨

[rough osprey]

wait why is gta6 not on the list

the most wanted game ever

[cursive summit]

Cause it's not coming in 2024 maybe?

[warm night]

its not real

[cursive summit]

Idk they are missing a lot of titles in the best upcoming

[rough osprey]

😭

[cursive summit]

Like, why would anyone care for Suicide Squad lol

What's Bulwark

Some weird choices

[rough osprey]

where is a competitive shooter

next fortnite

or Valorant

[cursive summit]

We haven't had many new battle royales, thank god

And the ones that tried to launch, failed miserably

There was the Ubisoft one nobody cared for after streamers stopped playing it

[warm night]

hyper scape or something

[cursive summit]

that one

[warm night]

didnt that just stop existing

[cursive summit]

I have no clue lol

[warm night]

pretty sure its gone

[cursive summit]

Never heard of it since streamer marketing ended

[rough osprey]

xdefiant

[warm night]

xdefiant isnt even out

and that a traditional shooter

[rough osprey]

its already dead

[warm night]

no its actually like

pretty good

[rough osprey]

nah i call it dead

[cursive summit]

XDefiant's prolly going to die

[warm night]

played the closed beta & open beta

maybe

[cursive summit]

The Square Enix one died after a beta

[warm night]

i hope it doesn't i enjoyed the beta quite a bit

[rough osprey]

apex could use an update

[cursive summit]

Ew, apex

[rough osprey]

why u hatin

[cursive summit]

Also why are we discussing games in tech talk

[rough osprey]

idk

[warm night]

that was your doing

was it not

[cursive summit]

Indeed it was

[rough osprey]

ban

[cursive summit]

yourself

[warm night]

damn

[cursive summit]

https://vxtwitter.com/bdsams/status/1716629220795765045

Hmmm

Would AMD though use Arm's cores

Or build something of their own design like Apple

[old marlin]

don't think they are married to AMD

or x86

[cursive summit]

Indeed they are not

[old marlin]

also streaming xbox is not unlikely

[cursive summit]

Tbf I don't make much sense of ditching x86 on high end gaming

[old marlin]

and you don't need any horsepower for that

[cursive summit]

For streaming arm makes a lot of sense

Great battery life

But I don't think it would go that way

x86 for now makes the most sense for high end consoles

How would AMD even go the Arm route though

[umbral heron]

Maybe next S-model will be ARM-based for streaming, and X-model x86-based for local gaming

[old marlin]

even for an "HTPC" device

low power draw

[cursive summit]

I wonder if you could somehow convert Zen to Arm

[old marlin]

means it can be stupid quiet

they already have an OS they can cut down to do what they want

[cursive summit]

That is logical

[old marlin]

with xinput support etc

[old marlin]

if they make a streaming one I would assume it would be a different thing still

[cursive summit]

Man people will be pissed lol

[old marlin]

would they

[cursive summit]

You would own games even less

[old marlin]

if it costs like 100 bucks

and you get a year of xbox streaming

[cursive summit]

We are going from physical to digital ownership

To technically you can't even play the game digital if servers are down

[old marlin]

thing is for most people gamepass makes a lot of sense

[umbral heron]

Yeah, console for $100 and they'll make money from gamepass subscriptions

[cursive summit]

So game preservation is really going to take major hits sadly

If Xbox just decides that you can't stream an old title, you can't play it anymore even if you bought it lol

What a mess

[umbral heron]

People don't care about preservation lol
They want new shiny toy, play with it for a while, change for new shiny toy, repeat

[cursive summit]

Plenty of people rightfully still like physical

[umbral heron]

And are mocking people who still care about "ownership"

[old marlin]

yea not saying physical should die

[cursive summit]

I am more on the digital side

But I am very against streaming taking over

[old marlin]

but gamepass ust makes sense for most people nowadays

personally dislike streaming for quality reasons

nothing insurmountable

• I like file access

[cursive summit]

My main gripe with streaming

Modding would be impossible on streaming lol

Not that you would really mod on consoles a lot, some games like Skyrim Xbox allows mods

[umbral heron]

That's why I download movies and TV shows despite having subsciptions lol

[tender tusk]

Hi guys, i have a question about 60HE vs two HE... is there any difference besides the form factor?

[cursive summit]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-pirate-flag-gif-5723103

[cursive summit]

No

[tender tusk]

thanks

[old marlin]

nothing major besides the obvious

[umbral heron]

Yah
I haven't bought NAS for nothing

[tender tusk]

i was not shure because te two he is a little bit older

[cursive summit]

Same hardware

Pick your size according to your preferences

Big boy for a big man, or small one for losers

[old marlin]

my honest reaction

[tender tusk]

cool. i will use this 0% discount Code for my order^^

[cursive summit]

Lol what's with the online hate boner for Weird Al

People are trying to cancel him

Something about arson

[umbral heron]

But yeah, I dislike streaming mostly because one day I can have access to something, and another some guys in suits can decide to revoke it
Or to block access to some stuff in certain countries ;-;

[umbral heron]

Mate, today Twitter wanted to cancel Greta Thunberg because of a plush octopus

[cursive summit]

A plush octopus?

Is that some lgbtq symbol I don't know about?

Cause plushies are becoming symbols for all kinds of things recently

[umbral heron]

She uploaded this photo, and Twitterminds noticed an octopus

[cursive summit]

Ok.. and?

What's wrong with the octopus

[reef patrol]

The octopus is an autism thing apparatly

[umbral heron]

So they of course associated it with antisemitism

[cursive summit]

What

[marsh glade]

I thought it was a mental health thing?

[reef patrol]

But it was seen as as antisemitic for god knows what reason.

[steep creek]

That makes zero sense to me

[cursive summit]

Yeah that's just stupid

[umbral heron]

Welcome to social media of today's age

[marsh glade]

The octopus is reversible such that one version is smiling and one is sad, so you place it on your desk at work to signal to people whether or not you have any interest in social conversation

[reef patrol]

That's what it was. Right.

[cursive summit]

Really?

Where's it from, Ikea?

That kinda looks nice, I'd pick one up

[marsh glade]

I dunno, I don't have one

when I don't want coworkers talking to me, I log out of the metaverse office we use 😂

[cursive summit]

Progressive company

[umbral heron]

You can get them in any toy store really

[cursive summit]

Well I only recently found out that some sort of Ikea shark, I think it's called blahaj, is an lgbtq symbol

Which I have never heard about

[umbral heron]

My friend's little brother has one, he doesn't speak much, but he's showing with it if he wants to talk or to be left alone

[umbral heron]

I have one

[cursive summit]

Ikea don't happen to have that octopus

Sad

[cursive summit]

That does look cute

[marsh glade]

That octopus is such a troll, attaching to the sharks nose so that it's so tantelizingly close to being a snack but the shark can't nom it

[cursive summit]

Damn Greta actually did something for once

Sold me on a plushie

[wheat plume]

I love my BLAHAJ 💜

its a trans icon!

[wheat plume]

BLAHAJ ON DECK

[analog sinew]

https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/blavingad-stoffspielzeug-oktopus-gelb-20522107/

you need this ikea octopus

[wheat plume]

Apparently Toyota wanna make a 3D anime waifu assistant for their cars in Japan

[analog sinew]

oh god

[wheat plume]

:')

[haughty trail]

Thx for the update knowing that its being worked on. Please reply so I can read it sooner 😅

[frozen ingot]

found this last time at ikea

[cursive summit]

Lumen? https://videocardz.com/newz/qualcomm-snapdragon-8-gen-3-flagship-mobile-soc-teased-with-unreal-engine-5-lumen-support

Please don't bloat my devices even more

https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/23/1082189/data-poisoning-artists-fight-generative-ai/

There is no point buying a RAM over 3200 period

They are all 2133Mhz anyways, just OC'd

Afaik yes you can't go above 3200MHz I imagine

[ashen spindle]

Man I look into the chat after a weekend and vex telling Bs again :p

[warm night]

lol no that's just what is officially supported

you can definitely probably go higher

[ashen spindle]

3200 is just the jedec spec, you can easily do more

[cursive summit]

Ain't that shit locked in bios

[warm night]

3200 is guaranteed to work i assume

or something

but you'll be able to go higher

[cursive summit]

Intel tends to love to lock features like OC

[ashen spindle]

Only on the super budget boards is ram locked

A series and such

[warm night]

no lol it's unlocked as long as your board isnt stupid

then it (probably) is

that's what is supported

[ashen spindle]

That is the official speed

[warm night]

doesn't mean you can't go beyond it

[ashen spindle]

You can go higher but it’s not guaranteed

[warm night]

yes

[cursive summit]

Intel tends not to benefit much afaik from RAM speed

AMD loves ram speed though

[warm night]

theres always benefits in going higher given all else is equal (timings etc)

but 3600 is fine

[ashen spindle]

Yes

Diminishing returns set in at higher speeds or if you are at like 3200 already and then only do 4K gaming etc.

[mild dome]

1R and 2R represent single and dual rank I think. Which tells you how the memory sticks are setup

Looks like dpc = pair of sticks

So 1 pair of single rank memory could in theory be clocked up to 5333MHz and remain stable

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/former-asml-employee-took-stolen-company-secrets-to-huawei-says-report

[wheat plume]

hooka method??

[cursive summit]

Can you google

Please

Instead of posting here all the time

[wheat plume]

I did google, I just get instructions on how to make some type of relgious ceremony pipe

[analog sinew]

hook a ?

[cursive summit]

"religious ceremony pipe"

Lana you so innocent

Don't pretend you have no clue what a hookah is

[wheat plume]

i dont

[reef patrol]

inb4 they think it's a hookER

[wheat plume]

LOL

[analog sinew]

or the a is just a typo? hook method?

[cursive summit]

Basically smoking

[reef patrol]

Also this is... #🔌│tech ?

[cursive summit]

Indeed

[wheat plume]

yeh , I have a tech question

wtf is a hooka method

cant find shit online about it

other than hook methods

maybe this is a typo

[umbral heron]

It's something about devices
99% those are hook methods

[wheat plume]

yeh.. i thimk so xd

[cursive summit]

Is hookah not a thing in western europe?

Or is Lana just being Lana

I bet Lana is just being Lana, I swear I have seen hookahs in Netherlands

[wheat plume]

wtf does this mean

[steep creek]

Fun stuff 😎

[cursive summit]

Ah fuck recursion

My brain does not comprehend recursion

It works somehow, and that's where I leave it

[analog sinew]

it says you are free to choose numbers

sure there is maffs involved

and not just random numbers to demonstrate

[wheat plume]

I only understand recusion when I see the solution :/

[cursive summit]

I have a particular type of logic where I tend to excel in one dimensional and two dimensional tasks

[wheat plume]

but I cannot ccreate one myself :/

[umbral heron]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-drooling-cupcakes-stare-hypnosis-gif-12121833

Design patterns

[cursive summit]

But where you have to use multi-level recursion, my brain doesn't compute

[steep creek]

It can be a bit tricky in the start but usually is pretty solvable once you practice enough

[cursive summit]

Tbf just give that task to AI and it'll do it in a second

Try using phind's GPT-4 algo

https://www.phind.com/ with pair programmer enabled

[steep creek]

Lol I wonder how many in my class used ai for their programming assignment

[cursive summit]

You are stupid if you don't

[marsh glade]

Better be 100%

Same thing that Vex said but less insulting 😂

[steep creek]

Yeah most likely haha

[cursive summit]

Those who don't use GPT are either already experts, or want to prove something for no reason

Others ease their workloads by actually using it

[steep creek]

But we can’t rely too much on it, at least not in this course because the exam is closed book lol

[cursive summit]

I just like to put things straight

[steep creek]

This one is cool but I’ve used perplexity more. It’s really fast and has provided me accurate answers

[cursive summit]

Phind is more for coding

Also has free GPT-4 uses

[steep creek]

I will test it more

[old marlin]

Somebody has to learn methods to know what is going on when an issue happens

We had 2 people at work that thought they could become programmers by purely relying on chatgpt

Entirely incompetent

[cursive summit]

AI isn't a after all a do-it-all magic trick

It's a helper

[old marlin]

It's a fancier search engine

For code at least

[cursive summit]

Tbf I think you still have to do the basics before you use AI for something more practical

If you don't have the basics, AI won't help much

[old marlin]

Even if you only know basics

If you don't know wtf you submitted you shouldn't work on professional projects

Undocumented code already is a problem

[steep creek]

Yeah if you ask it some programming problem for example and you don’t know much, how would you know it gave you the correct solution

Or if it did, if it’s the optimal solution

[umbral heron]

I found AI extremely useful for generating usage examples
Even if it's wrong, it can provide good base

[cursive summit]

Well tbf GPT has a tendency to specifically document code for you

[old marlin]

Yea but do you know if it did that correctly

[cursive summit]

Well if you don't study what it wrote, that's not much of programming

AI is good for learn-and-go stuff

Or learn on the go

[old marlin]

So don't rely on it when learning lol

[cursive summit]

It's good specifically for learning though

[old marlin]

If you never think about how a problem is solved you will never actually understand how it is solved though

[cursive summit]

I had difficulties finding functions for specific things, AI is really good for finding some niche functions that are meant specifically for some use cases that I'd never know otherwise

[steep creek]

I find it’s a good assistant for now, not a replacement

[cursive summit]

For now until Gemini comes out in a month or two

Gemini will be very nuts

[steep creek]

It has developed fast true lol

[cursive summit]

Cringe memes moment

I'd argue Nvidia is still better just by having CUDA

[umbral heron]

Oh yeah, if there were wider support for ROCm or OpenCL I'd so happy

[cursive summit]

ROCm is now supported on Linux or something

[umbral heron]

It is for several months
But most applications require CUDA regardless

[analog sinew]

rasta performance

[old marlin]

Which doesn't matter for most people

Neither does optix

[cursive summit]

Peeps still buy NV

[old marlin]

Because of hype/marketing

Not because it is a better deal for them

[cursive summit]

More of a "what works don't fix it"

[umbral heron]

One thing in which Intel GPUs are better than AMD and Nvidia is that they provide SRIOV on all GPUs, even integrated ones
You can partition your GPU for VMs just like CPU and RAM

[cursive summit]

And AMD having bad publicity

[old marlin]

A lot of that bad publicity is based on drivers 10 years ago

[cursive summit]

People don't care to read up that they are gone

Nvidia does tend to also hype up raytracing for no reason

Where I hope AMD will have a major boost with the next gen cause of the AI cores

[old marlin]

Yep

[cursive summit]

I still like my cubemaps

There's actually a really cool usage for raytracing

Pre-viewing cubemap lighting in map editors

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zFMRDVQDN7A

[wheat plume]

now I want a Raspberry Pi 5 again

watching a review of Ubuntu 23:10 on the Pi 5 and in his search bar he searched "install Discover on Ubuntu" xd

why? you got the Gnome Software

[hasty thunder]

isn't the RasPi5 like 130?

[stray flicker]

Performance wise, Nvidia

Not sure about amd cards though

Never used it

[cursive summit]

Mmm, no

AMD are technically ahead in performance apart of 4090

[hasty thunder]

because RT is literally their whole selling point rn

[stray flicker]

The worse thing is that most laptops uses nvidia LOL

[cursive summit]

4090 isn't even a Geforce card, can we stop

2000$ card is a Quadro

[cursive summit]

There is a good amount of AMD laptops

Especially with Zen

[stray flicker]

At least not here

AMD gpu i mean, zen is CPU

[umbral heron]

A lot laptops here are Intel+Nvidia

[hasty thunder]

if NV would suck at RT, well, what else would people go for? DLSS?

[cursive summit]

RT does suck

[stray flicker]

I do saw AMD cpu but still NV card

In fact my sis uses AMD cpu with NV 3060

[hasty thunder]

3060

[stray flicker]

THAT was a freaking 2 year old laptop mate

[hasty thunder]

a 1080 Ti would do better for less money

[stray flicker]

I forgot what card was it

Speaking of AMD

Does AMD CPU still completable with intel cores

In terms of performance

[umbral heron]

Uhhh... I mean... Price-to-performance AMD is way ahead

Performance alone they're head to head

[hasty thunder]

the 7800X3D outperforms even the 14900k in games like CS2

[umbral heron]

Zen/Zen+ was already good, but Zen 2 onwards AMD is going strong

[old marlin]

it outperforms as long as the game benefits from more cache

not all games do

[shadow minnow]

Except it sadly is

What differentiates the types is not the performance nor price

It’s feature support / drivers

And sadly instead of titan we now have this, Titan price but GeForce features

So it is sadly just an overpriced GeForce card

[cursive summit]

4090 is a top end AI card, you don't need quadro drivers on it to do AI things

[shadow minnow]

Doesn’t matter, it’s still a GeForce card

[cursive summit]

Depends on what sphere of productivity we are talking about

[cursive summit]

It's really not

[shadow minnow]

What differentiates it?

[cursive summit]

It's a productivity card

[shadow minnow]

In what way is it more productivity than 4080 apart from memory to core ratio

Don’t get me wrong I wish 4090 was actually a quadro card. But feature wise it’s only quadro like memory wise

Price wise and performance wise it is quadro level, but that’s just scaling, GeForce cards have a huge performance range too

Tbf at the end of the day quadro cards are offfer taking the GeForce core but increasing the price to offer better drivers and more memory but worse cooling

But I think it would not make sense to call it quadro when it doesn’t support any of the quadro stuff Is what i mean

[cursive summit]

4090 is a better productivity card than the 4000$ RTX 5000

5000 only has memory going for it, not all productivity areas need more memory

4090 has a lot more cores, certain workloads really benefit from that, for less than 2 grand a pop they are incredible workstation cards

They are really not gaming cards, they are heavily discounted compute cards

No gamer should ever look for more than a 4070, 4080 tops

[shadow minnow]

Yes but feature wise they’re not quadro because they lack the certifications and drivers and stuff

[cursive summit]

What specifically do you need those drivers for?

https://tenor.com/view/trainhead-brain-damage-brain-hurt-cat-gif-26483015

This is what we call... nah I ain't even gonna start

[rough osprey]

good purchase

[cursive summit]

Come on blud

14900 🤢

[rough osprey]

what's the problem

[cursive summit]

Well, everything

[rough osprey]

if you got the money

why not

[cursive summit]

Buy a 7800X3D

Good mobo and an overall better CPU costs cheaper than a 14900K

[rough osprey]

not as good in some stuff

[cursive summit]

Not 2x worse which is what the 14900K costs

Seriously, Intel is a bit lost

Ditch the e-cores

[rough osprey]

in some productivity stuff tho

[cursive summit]

7950X3D

[halcyon moss]

If you want a space heater you buy a 14900

It's a very expensive space heater though, they usually cost like 20 bucks

[misty saffron]

still don't understand who in their right mind thought people need efficiency cores in desktops

[cursive summit]

Intel, duh

[misty saffron]

pretty sure being connected to the mains isn't about the efficiency

[rough osprey]

costs more

and is less good

[cursive summit]

It's very much not less good

[rough osprey]

look at benchmarks

[shell sorrel]

You got benchmarks to prove it lowkey curious

[old marlin]

intel needed it for the cinebench result

[fickle ore]

14900k with APO is king rn

If you care about FPS

eats power but ye

[old marlin]

benchmarks and productivity are not good comparisons

[cursive summit]

2 games mate

When they roll it out for all games, then let's talk about it

[misty saffron]

don't tell me you looked at userbenchmark

[fickle ore]

Higher chance than if it was on AMD tbh lol

[cursive summit]

What

Don't worry mate Arrow lake totally not doa, Battlemage will be very good, Intel GPU division will prevail

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[old marlin]

I hope

[cursive summit]

Inb4 Intel will sell off more of their divisions

[fickle ore]

Its good for everyone if Intel will prevail

pricewise

[old marlin]

obv

[fickle ore]

But it's essential for US that the Intel will prevail.

[cursive summit]

If Intel cans big.LITTLE or somehow stops releasing sucky sucky architectures, then it'll be great for everyone

[rough osprey]

huh

[misty saffron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQSBj2LKkWg

[cursive summit]

Still a casual reminder Intel's fabs suck and they had to rename 10nm to 7 to look competent, and 7nm became 4

[rough osprey]

ye why would i look at that

[old marlin]

not quite true

they renamed it to 7

[cursive summit]

10nm ESF is literally Intel 7

[old marlin]

since it is more comparable in size to tsmc 7nm

[fickle ore]

Current offerings isnt the point, market is forward looking as always. Nobody is betting big on 10 nm anymore lol

[cursive summit]

7nm became Intel 4

[fickle ore]

Time to care whether 10nm was good was 5 years ago

The big thing is Intel is building new fabs in US and EU

[cursive summit]

Give them to Samsung or TSMC

[old marlin]

[fickle ore]

Did ppl talk here about the Canon solution to low nm yet?

[cursive summit]

Sucky sucky

Cannon?

They gon shoot us to subatomic era?

[wheat plume]

WTF happened to the Manjaro Linux website? its gotten a downgrade

it looks like its from the mid 2000s now

yeah...

it used to look really nice

wtf happened

meanwhile the notoriously shitty design of Linux Mint's site is now gone and it looks great now xd

[umbral heron]

An everlasting exchange. A soul, for a soul.

[ashen spindle]

https://fxtwitter.com/iancutress/status/1716870496565014679

[cursive summit]

The reveals were leaked already

I just can't remember what they had

[ashen spindle]

If it’s fast it’s likely not M3

[rough osprey]

need a new pro display xdr

[cursive summit]

M2s again?

microled 4K

[rough osprey]

nah 4k aint enough

apple downgrading would be weird

can thunderbolt do that

[cursive summit]

5?

Yes, it should

[rough osprey]

do macs use 5 already?

[cursive summit]

No

[rough osprey]

although i think it stays at 6k

promotion could make sense

and higher Brightness and all

make it 12bit

hehe

[cursive summit]

So it's 12bit 120FPS with DLSS3

[rough osprey]

would be a first tho

not Apple style

built the mac into the display

wait....

imac with that screen could go hard

[thick elk]

Yay another spammer banned

[steep creek]

i think the imac is getting refreshed, its long overdue lol

[cursive summit]

That's what I think I remember reading

The announcement is for imacs

No new mac minis or macbooks

[steep creek]

yes mark gurman i believe hinted towards this a few days ago

(maybe) the 13" macbook pro but i personally dont think so

[astral haven]

unfortunately we dont have the choice of picking which vendor we go with, I hope that cloudflare bids but there are certain requirements they dont meet, and would have to go through a reseller 😦

we are in the process of switching, but we are highly likely to end up with someone else

tbh weve got everything besides enforcing the hardware tokens

at least we would if we shut off the old methods of doing things that have been superceeded

i cant say what we use, but we dont use crowdstrike 😛

oh
did i mention that?
oops

right

i cannot confirm or deny

nyways yea im happy with what we have, however our workstations are relatively locked down and viruses are nowhere near our most problematic vector

new to me?

yup, the only vendor we ended up deciding not to go with was carbon black, the other options we just picked the cheapest

get rekt

[cursive summit]

Embrace Kaspersky

The cypriot quality

[astral haven]

there are still a few features we havent activated yet, but my version keeps incrementing and i havent noticed it needing a restart

😉 cannot confirm or deny

ive never seen it, however im not tasked with going through the daily tasks for the AV

there is stuff you need to do manually tho

but its not on the computer its on the web interface

[cursive summit]

Actually interesting https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/10/24/xreal-air-2-launch-ar-glasses-look-to-challenge-meta-and-apple.html

[reef patrol]

Huh... the 4TB MP600 from Corsair is now so cheap that buying a mechanical harddrive feels silly. 😄

[cursive summit]

Still 200$

Which for 4TB is pretty damn good tbf

[umbral heron]

MP600 4TB - PLN1500
Ironwolf 14TB - PLN1550
Not yet

[reef patrol]

It's less than what one of those 6TB NAS HDDs were not long ago.

[cursive summit]

14TB?

That sounds pretty insano

[reef patrol]

Which I was planning on buying to swap out my desktop "cache/media" drive, an old 3TB HDD. But a 4TB NVME for almost the same price per TB is mindboggling.

[cursive summit]

This bucko isn't lying

[reef patrol]

My MP400 4TB was like... 7-800 bucks on release?

[cursive summit]

14TB of space seems absolutely insane though

Unless you are hoarding some sort of large size media for no reason

[umbral heron]

I have 12TB of NAS space :3

[cursive summit]

Calslock, you buying off Allegro by any chance?

[umbral heron]

Yup, biggest e-commerce in PL

[cursive summit]

God damnit they overhauled the menu it seems

Can't find the translate button

Ah now it's all the way in the button

Hella weird

Eh, not new though

[umbral heron]

Yeah. I filtered by new only

That's why I never go higher than 8TB and I only pick CMR ones

That's the biggest ones which are still quite reliable

Should I run out of space I'll go for bigger NAS than bigger drives

[crisp granite]

Yep…haha it’s super cheap now

Plan on getting one soon

[devout raptor]

what do yall need so much space for

[reef patrol]

Music and such.

[umbral heron]

Stuff.

[reef patrol]

Running out of space on my very aging media drive.

[final flame]

you call that running out of space?

I call that average

[reef patrol]

I can eat up 700GB of space fast on that drive.

[reef patrol]

Going into the red is bad for your drive health.

[umbral heron]

[final flame]

not like I can do much to combat it

my E drive is failing so I can't trust it with any data that isn't easy to get

[crisp granite]

Games and mods

Mainly mods

And porn

[devout raptor]

oof

[crisp granite]

Lots of porn

[devout raptor]

i knew that was coming

I actually anticipated that answer

[umbral heron]

Numbers please

[crisp granite]

Truth is

Games are getting massive

A 2TB drive isn’t really going to cut it in a few years

[devout raptor]

I switched from a 240hz monitor to 165hz and notice no difference

[crisp granite]

I have a separate couple 10tb hard drives in raid 0 for porn

[devout raptor]

💀

[crisp granite]

Would rather my games on an SSD

[devout raptor]

Corn👎🏼

[umbral heron]

https://tenor.com/view/shirakami-fubuki-hololive-holo-live-holo-jp-gif-9768049726135386948

[crisp granite]

Hey, look

The stuff I like tends to get pulled down

😏

Gotta save it locally if I want to enjoy it again

[devout raptor]

ayo wtf

that could be misinterpreted

[umbral heron]

nah

not that much

[halcyon moss]

I can only interpret this on a way that doesn't reflect well on debil

[patent drift]

My regret is just constantly upgrading with 1tb drives. Soon you run out of slots for them.

I was thinking of getting a 4x addon card to fit the extra drives, but then I found out that AMD is stingy with pcie lanes, so wouldn't be worth doing/

[astral haven]

Yea there's no serious improvements
Same image, same res, same refresh

[cursive summit]

What on earth

4032 ppi

That like 10x more than mobile

Is the only thing these are able to do is just act as displays basically

Can they release budget 1440p 144Hz for like 400$?

[astral haven]

Also better than Samsung that requires rma if you fail the lottery lel

[smoky frigate]

There’s also the new 27″ class AW2725DF which will offer a 2560 x 1440 resolution and 360Hz refresh rate. This is a flat format screen this time, but the very high refresh rate should offer amazing motion clarity, equivalent in fact to a 540Hz LCD panel in real-world motion clarity. that sounds like bullshit but I'm intrigued

[astral haven]

It is still bs tho since you can enable strobing on the lcd to massively improve the clarity

[cursive summit]

I'm sorry, WHAT https://www.windowscentral.com/hardware/laptops/qualcomm-snapdragon-x-elite-arms-race-for-windows-laptops

Better performance than Apple at even less power consumption

Qualcomm is actually good now?

This is actually incredible

But still rather high consumption max

Lol they are beating Radeon 780M by a fuck ton

Qualcomm are actually onto something good here

[steep creek]

they did grab the nuvia group 😁

[cursive summit]

What kind of cheat engine is Nuvia?

But are these chips going to also be hella expensive to make lol

[steep creek]

though apple probably has the advantage in software for now. i dont think windows 11 for arm performs well enough to be used

[cursive summit]

Also Windows doesn't play well with Arm or has any of the graphics drivers

So kiss your ass goodbye for productivity, gaming features, etc

[steep creek]

oh yeah last i checked, the tsmc 3nm wafer was 40k usd per

[steep creek]

yeah exactly

maybe they ramp up efforts now, given how powerful this chip is expected to be

[ashen spindle]

nuvia is ex apple people

[cursive summit]

Thing is, in theory it's like 4 TFLOPs apparently which is.. Xbox Series S lol

[ashen spindle]

n3 is more like 20-25k a wafer but they pay for good dies not per wafer

[cursive summit]

So, 300$ package incoming?

That would be insane if Arm plays well with Windows

[steep creek]

thing with apple silicon though is it performs better depending on how well the app is optimized. if this qualcomm chip gains traction maybe we will see the same lol

[cursive summit]

Indeed, Apple silicon I don't think is very good on paper

But they are really really custom optimized to work really well

[steep creek]

yeah likewisee with the a series chips on iphones

[cursive summit]

You are forcing this thing to run on Windows lol

Man but that iGPU performance is not a fluke though

80% faster than 780M

Lol these are 780M results

[steep creek]

qualcomm for sure is winning the numbers game, but im unsure of how much of this we actually get to see

[cursive summit]

You could in theory play Cyberpunk and Starfield at FHD lol

[steep creek]

haha

that is nice

[cursive summit]

Actually... Qualcomm has a winner here

I am cautiously optimistic

If this performs as they say it will, they will be completely annihilating any competition in the ultrabook market

Really interested in AMD's Strix Halo though

CPU + GPU combo for high(er) end gaming

[steep creek]

I am definitely willing to switch to an arm based windows computer once it’s powerful enough. Especially laptops

[cursive summit]

What's the size of this chip?

Like they are stuffing 12 cores into it, on paper 12 cores doesn't sound massive

Far less than Apple's M2 Max they are apparently beating

Can they actually just.. do like 24 cores and just make a killer high end x86 CPU competitor?

I wonder how scalable what they did is lol

[steep creek]

Haha I wish, but I don’t think there are that many apps that take advantage of such high core counts

[cursive summit]

If that's the size, that is very very mobile chip sized lol

Maybe a tiny bit bigger

Far smaller than Apples chips

[steep creek]

Yep

[cursive summit]

I am now interested in wtf kind of company this Nuvia is

They some black magic fuckery engineers?

"CPU and technology design team"

So how did they make Adreno not suck?

[steep creek]

They had the initial rise from intel based macs to m1. But m1 to m2 wasn’t a tremendous improvement

[cursive summit]

Stuff this shit into a phone, you annihilate A17

[steep creek]

And Apple favored throttling chips than making the fans spin up, making the m series chips seem even faster lol. They are impressive of course but yeah

[cursive summit]

https://www.qualcomm.com/products/mobile/snapdragon/pcs-and-tablets/snapdragon-x-elite

Ah, a dedicated page

How is this only 12 cores?

M2 Pro is 12 cores

And they are fighting M2 Max which is afaik like 24 CPU cores?

[steep creek]

I agree. So much so that I’m considering switching to a macbook

[cursive summit]

They have DX12 support...

Don't tell me they will do RTX

[steep creek]

M2 max afaik is starting at 12 cpu cores

[cursive summit]

Wrong

M2 Pro is 10/12

Max is... I swear it's 24

Wait what really

M2 Max features the same next-generation 12-core CPU as M2 Pro

[steep creek]

Yes

[cursive summit]

Ohhh that's why I remember being so bummed out about M2 Max

It had like 12 cores, and 19 GPU cores

But it was like 2x more expensive than M2 Pro

Which made no fuckin sense

[crisp granite]

same as the M1 pro and Max

they just...happen to have the same maximum CPU cores

you're really paying for the extra gpu power

[cursive summit]

Yep

Those GPU cores do be costing a lot or something cause I could buy an M2 Pro with 19 GPU cores for 1300$

M2 Max was like 2300

Although I have to be questioning some of these decisions

Why AI on what is very much an ultrabook chip

Man they really slapped a Series S GPU into this thing

But this has some groundbreaking tech

Like, that is pretty damn great

Wifi7 support

3 USB4 ports

PCIe4 NVMe support

This has to cost a metric ton to make

Snap 8 gen 3 also got some slides

[wheat plume]

oo...I wonder how much Frameworks charge for this

[cursive summit]

Too much

[wheat plume]

you can slot it into the internal connector

[cursive summit]

I already looked into that, it costs too much

Framework is kinda of a gimmick laptop lol

Normal factor laptops are far cheaper and have better internals than that

[wheat plume]

In theory it reminds me of a desktop PC

Expensive entry but cheaper in the long run cause you only upgrade the parts you want / need to upgrade

The 7700S isnt particularily powerful, similar to like a 4060
...bruh

thats much better than my damn desktop PC

[ashen spindle]

yeah and its the power of like a 250€ gpu so not that much compared to what you can get

[wheat plume]

4060 is 250 Euro???

[ashen spindle]

no but the 6650xt which is about the same performance

[gusty nexus]

Lowest 4060 are like 330 euros (in France)

[crisp granite]

so...

does the whole SLC vs TLC thing matter?

and if so, SLC preferable?

[ashen spindle]

can you even still get SLC in not insane prices?

[crisp granite]

yes

[ashen spindle]

slc drive or slc cache

[crisp granite]

I am eying a 4tb drive for 220 of the local

drive

my bad
cache

meh
QLC

[ashen spindle]

yeee

[crisp granite]

just an SLC cache for marketing reasons

QLC isn't that big a dealbreaker, no?

[ornate lily]

Are you really going to run that many cycles? Most people don't... especially on larger drives.

[crisp granite]

don't plan on it
it's purely as a game library drive
so not a ton of write past initial

mainly read

[ornate lily]

QLC is great for you.

[crisp granite]

many thanks

[ornate lily]

QLC is great for the Read mainly case.

The biggest thing is just get a vendor that is 1/2 decent. But that goes for any drive.

[crisp granite]

Teamgroup

as odd as this may sound
I've used their stuff for years
cheap, cheerful, never failed on me

they're never my first choice, but for whatever reason, I end up with their drives and ram, happy as a clam

[ornate lily]

I don't know who does their underlying hw. 🙂

My current set of M2s are Samsung, Intel, and WD Red.

[crisp granite]

Phison PS5016-E16 for controller
Micron 96L QLC for memory

no alarm bells ringing from that, at least to me

[ornate lily]

Not seeing anyone screaming about the controller losing data. It's been almost a decade since I was doing this at the actual picking SSDs level. (Back in the X-25E days, and into the sandstorm days.)

[astral haven]

one thing to be aware of is qlc also has substantially slower sustained writes

the bottleneck for downloads on my steam deck, when it isnt the compression is the write to the drive
now that the drive is over 70% full, its slower than my internet

and thats on dramless tlc
qlc with dram should be faster
but dramless qlc will be slooooow

[empty wren]

https://www.engadget.com/xreals-399-air-2-augmented-reality-glasses-are-now-available-to-pre-order-120057648.html

[ornate lily]

My real question with AR isn't is it cool/useful. Yes on both, but who can we trust to hold the data?

Even more bummer then.

This form factor is about right for the display, running down to a phone sized cpu elsewhere.

Yeah, but without the sensors to give that cpu vision... what can it do is a good question.

[astral haven]

define real ar
with the beam it does allow you to position the headset at least via angle and distance

[ornate lily]

3M has that solved too. 😉

[astral haven]

nah

again define that

the xreal can do that

cameras?

it subtitles audio

[ornate lily]

If you are standing in front of me, it'll tell me your name, any facts I told it to remember, along with maybe a color around you if you are someone good/bad I need to remember.

[astral haven]

yea yall want the tcl rayneo x2

[ornate lily]

That's AR to me. Give me information in real time, that I need to make choices. If I have the cameras, what is your heartbeat etc, can also be displayed.

[astral haven]

substantially lower display quality than the nreals, but AIO processing

the xreal is an accessory for a phone

or computer

and the computer can do that stuff if you want

or the phone

[ornate lily]

You think of the google translate stuff, where you just point at the text and poof... translate.

[astral haven]

ye

the rayneo x2 is supposed to do that

the xreal headsets are more of the "make your phone do it" variety

[ornate lily]

I'm not sure I want an AR pet...

But ya know.. if it can drive the tech... who am I.

Nope.

Not the first time someone's called me that 😉

[astral haven]

im more interested in this stuff
more accurately i want it to say the last 3 tickets that the user submitted lmao

[ornate lily]

What the display can tell you is contextual... If I'm at a party, I may get one hud, at work a different one.

[astral haven]

nah, if im gonna use it at work, work is gonna buy it for me, and im not gonna load my work apps on my personal one

[ornate lily]

Honestly, I want control of my tech... I don't want some bean counter saying "No, you can't have XYZ...." Damn it, if I think it'll help, and it is reasonable. get out of my way.

[astral haven]

😛 not my problem

[ornate lily]

Been in one too many companies where I spent more money trying to argue to get tech and getting denied...

[astral haven]

🤷 practically i get what i want if i can justify it

[ornate lily]

Now, I can, or just get it anyways... I work at home.

[astral haven]

and even if i cant justify it for myself, if i think someone else will request it, i can get it to "test it out"

[ornate lily]

heh...

[astral haven]

"verify inteoperability with the rest of [redacted] systems"

[ornate lily]

Thankfully, I don't work in a place like that at the moment 😉

[empty wren]

Real ar also is not a few hundred bucks

[astral haven]

quest 2 is $250? now

[empty wren]

Damn

If it gets lower

Would be a steal

[astral haven]

quest 3 lite rumored for 200 flat (199)

[empty wren]

Wonder where the compromises are

[ornate lily]

What is going to be lite about it?

[astral haven]

displays, ram, no controllers in box

larger, cheaper lenses

no depth sensor

[empty wren]

Depth sensor?

[astral haven]

no

q3 had a depth sensor to make distances alot more accurate than the quest 2 and pro, and theres no chance it makes it onto the lite

[empty wren]

Oh for passthrough?

[astral haven]

yea

AR

[empty wren]

Oh not a big deal unless someone uses passthrough a lot

Quest 2 does not have a depth sensor right?

[astral haven]

for an AR device its a pretty big deal

[astral haven]

correct

quest 2 passthrough was pretty bad

[empty wren]

Surely, but that makes the quest a hybrid which means it can only do well at both

[astral haven]

q3 is borderline useable

[astral haven]

the best ar is also done by the best vr headset...

[ornate lily]

What makes it usable/unusable in your mind?

[empty wren]

I would like to try a hololens 2

[astral haven]

can read a phone screen

[empty wren]

Like I know these do not compare to vr field of view of course

But these headsets are heavy

Likely also front heavy

[astral haven]

if you want a hololens but dont want to pay much for it, get an xreal or a tcl headset

[empty wren]

I might xreal

[astral haven]

hololens costs bc its AIO

[empty wren]

The issue also with it is applications

And lack of gps

Would be sick for navigation

But probably will come to cars first

[astral haven]

define lack of gps

[empty wren]

I do not think it can be used to track location without Internet

Maybe I am wrong

[astral haven]

oh the hololens

[empty wren]

Yeah

[astral haven]

hololens is spensive for what it is

[empty wren]

Yeah unfortunately

[astral haven]

xreal and the like use your phone which does have gps

[empty wren]

I might look into that

Especially since Google maps has ar navigation

[astral haven]

not sure xreal has integration for that yet

and the lights dont have the camera

[empty wren]

Well mirroring is fine

Could possibly slip phone into a sleeve pocket

But I get your point

Could Integrate if it has a camera

Sorta in the way people can send text messages on watches

[astral haven]

Xreal light has a camera but it doesn't support googles AR framework

[empty wren]

Unfortunate

But it also does not look causal either right?

[astral haven]

What?

[empty wren]

Not like typical sunglasses in design terms?

[astral haven]

I mean it's bulky for glasses but it looks like glasses

[empty wren]

Oh okay

[astral haven]

Rayneo x2 should be everything aio, but it uses the lower quality screens to get even thinner

[empty wren]

Hmm

Those look cool

But like Google glass without the lens

[astral haven]

What

They look like ultra dorky glasses, they just work like Google glass

[empty wren]

The interface be looking basic

And navigation looks like north

Which Google sadly bought

Like Google glass

[rough osprey]

https://twitter.com/dylan_raga/status/1716872271875485770?t=f-P8EblQ3n3J50VndGELgA&s=19

das cool

[empty wren]

https://youtu.be/U8Oj0psMaCs?si=yEkezj0LKjoj-zGY

[vagrant pagoda]

who could of seen this coming

also jakes dad being a plumber makes sense

hes never around so linus became his other dad XD

[empty wren]

Maybe with a bit more controversy

[digital quail]

Hello

This article is a good read btw

Very good points made

Not the best but alg, yourself?

Yessir

What was it about dat article did ya have any concerns

[vagrant pagoda]

speakers > iem

downmix?

you mean upmix

2channel music is rare

[digital quail]

Ofc

But at the same time you can't take ur speakers out and about whether that be on the go or to work n sht so

Well unless u get portable speaker and want to disturb everyone 🤣

[vagrant pagoda]

yes

lol

i have iems for mobile

[digital quail]

Ya

[final flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/banners/172611818253058048/a_8110ae123c2391f831af346aee708d02.gif?size=4096

cute banner yifang

I use a fiio m6 as a ldac receiver from my phone

that's when I use iems. nowadays I've been using the bathys

[vagrant pagoda]

ive got the fiio bluetooth adapters

[severe phoenix]

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/17fmyd6/monitor_sony_x95k_miniled_65inch_66099_best_buy/

Some people got so very lucky here

[rough osprey]

[misty saffron]

♿

[umbral heron]

Gotta love Linux sometimes

[halcyon moss]

Haha. Just because it is expected to exist

[cursive summit]

https://audioxpress.com/news/qualcomm-unveils-s7-pro-snapdragon-sound-platform-with-micro-power-wi-fi-and-24-bit-19khz-lossless-streaming

Yoooooo

Qualcomm wtf

Lossless micropower wifi?

[rough osprey]

what codec

[cursive summit]

Some new one or maybe aptx lossless?

Qualcomm XPAN it seems to be the codec there, maybe

Which is new afaik

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/s/ZUrA0W0SgQ

500$ for a miniled display, 160Hz HDR1000 4K

U.S and maybe Canada only I think, unless BestBuy ships anywhere else lol

[rough osprey]

surely it will be supported by many android phones

[cursive summit]

In like 5 years

[rough osprey]

do the snapdragon special phones still exist

[cursive summit]

I doubt it?

[rough osprey]

good

[cursive summit]

I would get one though if specs are right

[rough osprey]

👍

[sudden wagon]

Good, just bought a m2 recently.

[old marlin]

[rough osprey]

comparisons?

[old marlin]

wired dav3 and vv2p wireless (at 1600 dpi) with the hyperpolling dongle at 2khz

in short, the gpx2 manages to sometimes drop a poll

[rough osprey]

interesting

did u test yourself?

[old marlin]

nah, it's from techpowerup

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/logitech-g-pro-x-superlight-2/

[rough osprey]

really not a great upgrade

although superlight is kinda all you need

[raw zephyr]

i like my gpx2, solid upgrade over 2+ years old gpx

[thick elk]

Skipped the review as it is not my form-factor and out of my price range.

As for dropping a pol at 2khz okay, but the same happens at 1khz

[old marlin]

shouldn't ever happen

they already send redundant packets to prevent it

[thick elk]

I am just saying the fact that it does that at 2khz is less impactful / bad than at 1khz

[cursive summit]

Pffft aahahahaha https://vxtwitter.com/kopite7kimi/status/1717078433262690477

I called it

#🔌│tech message

KO is (maybe) back!

Those are amazing cards

[umbral heron]

Call it unintentional KO models

[cursive summit]

I hope AMD does some more KO in CPUs too

1600AF was I think 2600 in disguise?

[umbral heron]

Ya, it was officially Zen, but dies were Zen+s

[cursive summit]

I wonder if it's stupid to release 5600AF which is a 7600 die

What are the limitations there to convert the chip from AM5 to AM4

[ashen spindle]

Yes very stupid

Cpu needs ddr5 and am4 don’t have ddr5

[umbral heron]

Dies per se can be adapted to DDR4, see Intel CPUs

[cursive summit]

Intel was it 12th gen functions on both

So AMD could come up with something there

[ashen spindle]

Yes but that was planned

So it would need a memory controller that can do both which zen4 specifically skipped

[cursive summit]

But it should be relatively easily possible technologically

I also wonder what would that do in terms of economic aspects

How many people are not planning to leave AM4 until 2nd-3rd gen of AM5

[ashen spindle]

No lol that needs an entire set of new validation and costs insane money for no return

1600af and such are if you have oversupply of a thing and need to fulfill gaps of older things or running contracts

Not happening for am4 with zen4 suddenly lol

And 2nd gen AM5 isn’t far out either

[cursive summit]

Well tbf what does AMD really lose by releasing Zen 8000 and also giving AM4 a 5600AF

[umbral heron]

So 7600AF on 8600's die is more likely

[cursive summit]

AMD's income is only from CPU sales right?

Do they get anything from RAM sales?

Mobo sales?