🔌│tech

[astral haven]

yea the whole webusb thing is real nice

[empty wren]

No data retention is a plus, my past desktop definitely had a ton of firmware due to root disabling ota taking up space on my 256gb ssd

[astral haven]

i always try to keep a hold of all the firmware that i use, tho i am a hoarder so probably not a good example lol

[empty wren]

I hoarded a ton of kik messenger flavors

Took 2gb on my external ssd

One of them can only message "His name is John Cena"

[empty wren]

Jeez

[astral haven]

been trying to back up my computer for a while but my internet is slooooow

but im about to pass 7TB!

[empty wren]

That is a lot for single user

Must be archiving everything

[astral haven]

and this isnt even backing up my restore points and snapshots

[empty wren]

Bruh

I found those mostly useless

[astral haven]

file history has saved my hide enough times to dedicate a few tb of storage to it

[empty wren]

Technically you could recover lost data though right

So long as it is not overwriten blocks

[astral haven]

well the google drive is purely data that i have backed up from my computer and phone

when you use that much storage, you overwrite stuff relatively quickly

[empty wren]

Oh

On your local storage?

[astral haven]

i mean its a mirror of my local storage

[empty wren]

I see

[astral haven]

ofc not backing up any games

[empty wren]

I backed up a few personally like Pokemon uranium cuz Nintendo

[astral haven]

but if i have 7tb of actual data, youve gotta imagine that i use free space relatively fast

[empty wren]

Right

You probably overwrote it the chance you got it

[astral haven]

yep
not intentionally ofc but thats how it goes

[empty wren]

Do you know if data on a new drive is filled like an array or a linked list? In the sense one is alphabetical while the other is random freed?

[astral haven]

on a new drive its filled chronologically

[empty wren]

Okay

But once someone starts deleting something it is random freed

If fully filled already

[astral haven]

"random" but yea

thats only true for hdds tho

ssds are janky

unless optane

but nand is too slow to work like that

[empty wren]

What is special about optane saw so many ads about it before but it stopped appearing

That was several years ago

[astral haven]

its insanely expensive

[empty wren]

What about Intel selling their old ones which I am guessing are discontinued now?

[astral haven]

they apparently had warehouses full of the stuff, its now getting a little hard to find the good stuff

new

used theres plenty to go around

the special thing about optane is how incredibly fast it is for random IO

[empty wren]

Ah

[astral haven]

ram is full speed for random io (practically)
nand is 1/100th the speed for random io, and you can bring that down to 1/10th with dram cache
optane is around half the speed with random io, however thats actually more a limitation of the host, the actual chips are capable of full speed

yup

ive got a stick each of (dead) pmem 100 and 200

[empty wren]

By host do you mean chipset or CPU?

[astral haven]

cpu

tho its more windows

[empty wren]

Okay

[astral haven]

or linux

[empty wren]

So software and CPU related

[astral haven]

ye

specifically nvme

[empty wren]

Are the cpus of today capable of fully using it?

[astral haven]

if you pretend its system ram it works quite fantastically

going through nvme slows it down tho

[astral haven]

problem is tho this was incredibly expensive and only compatible with some cpus that intel had trouble keeping in stock

[empty wren]

So what is best case for optane then?

I am aware some devices used it for Windows OS or maybe I misheard

[astral haven]

yea that didnt work as well as intel wanted

they put a single chip of the slowest optane, and stuck it on an nvme slot

then the cpu would use it as a cache for the hdd

and it just didnt work well

[empty wren]

So basically HDD ram

[astral haven]

yup

[empty wren]

Okay that makes more sense now

[astral haven]

but it was just too small and too expensive to boot from

intel basically never sold it new for under a dollar per gig

[empty wren]

Optane basically is just ram in a differenr package

[astral haven]

except the data stays when the power is off

[empty wren]

Right right since it is long term memory

[astral haven]

in fact since it is bistable, it can store the data for (in theory) hundreds of years

[empty wren]

Interesting

But a gimmick since will likely be replaced

[astral haven]

sure, and they never advertised that because they had no way of testing it

the actual usecase that worked was 512gb dimms

[empty wren]

Sounds like a lot for ram

[astral haven]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/115939077343

yep and it fit in a single ddr4 slot which with regular ddr4 could only fit 128gb

[empty wren]

Actually this becomes a bit more interesting, but seems more work oriented

Like some could have data cached they need at the ready at boot

[astral haven]

sure but imagine you could buy a 128gb one of these for $100, and could boot from it

[empty wren]

No need to wait for it to thrown in since it permanently there

[empty wren]

Hmm

[astral haven]

again think on the order of pcie gen 5 ssd performance for sequential performance
and about 5x faster for random performance

[astral haven]

its really such a shame intel limited them so much
not only does it need to be a xeon scalable (xeon w isnt on the list 😦 ) the motherboard needs to support it (which is pretty common but its a bit of a shame)

if the 3175x or 2475x supported it, i would absolutely buy some

[crisp granite]

Flame me for drive choice

[gusty kiln]

it's fine as long as you are on the latest firmware

[astral haven]

if you think that its not a good choice, why would you get it?

[warm night]

should be a 990 pro

[crisp granite]

I think it is, I’m just expecting someone else to politely disagree

Call me a retard

[astral haven]

why?

[crisp granite]

And that I should have actually got a 5400rpm HDD for boot disk

[ashen spindle]

nvme these days has like almost no bad choices for current stuff as long as the price is fine

[warm night]

theres absolutely nothing wrong with the choice of drive

[gusty kiln]

sounds like imgainary paranoia

[warm night]

its a drive its fast

[astral haven]

this

[warm night]

its probably not gonna blow up

[crisp granite]

Got this guy for…80 of the local

half of usual price

[warm night]

my 990 pro was about 80

funny

depends where you are i guess tho

[gusty kiln]

1tb for 80 is actually expensive, but fine for premium drive

[astral haven]

correction there are plenty of fake drives on amazon but other than that lel

[ashen spindle]

yeah sure

[crisp granite]

80 CAD, so more like 60-65€

[gusty kiln]

there are dram-less 1tb for like 30-40 USD

[astral haven]

and dramless isnt as bad as it used to be on many computers with HMB

[warm night]

my dramless ssd(s) sucked

[astral haven]

yea but i mean now

also the fastest drives i own are dramless

but thats an exception lel

[warm night]

i mean now yeah probably fine

[gusty kiln]

I'm waiting for "slow" large SSDs

[astral haven]

yea define slow lel

[gusty kiln]

like sata 3

[warm night]

slow as in just big capacity but not pushing speed so much that its expensive or

[astral haven]

why?

[crisp granite]

Those are floating around

[gusty kiln]

hoping for cheap bulk SSD storage

[astral haven]

sata the interface itself is actually awful

[gusty kiln]

meant sata 3 speeds

a compromise I'm willing to make for mass storage

[crisp granite]

In an m.2 form factor?

[gusty kiln]

any form factor

[astral haven]

its actually difficult to make an ssd that slow with nvme

[warm night]

suffering from success

[gusty kiln]

kek

[astral haven]

although apple tries hard

[crisp granite]

PCI-E 3 ssds of 8tb are floating around

[astral haven]

even apple only managed to make them that slow for atomic operations

[crisp granite]

Not cheap though

[gusty kiln]

yeah samsung's QVC 8TB is 350 atm

[crisp granite]

…dang

Way less than I thought

[astral haven]

thats not fantastic tho

[crisp granite]

Here 8tb drives are going for 800-1100

[gusty kiln]

it's a basic bitch drive though

[crisp granite]

I hate this place

[crisp granite]

For mass storage, it need not be fancy

[gusty kiln]

some people say it slows down to 100-200 MB/s for long writes

[gusty kiln]

but yeah, I want an all SSD NAS

seek time fast as fuck boii

[astral haven]

yea thats normal, welcome to qlc

[gusty kiln]

kek yeah

[astral haven]

still over the 50ish kiops that sata maxes out at

it would be really nice if ssd carriers were cheaper tho 😦

[gusty kiln]

yeah, nvme JBODs are $$$$$$

[astral haven]

i believe the cheapest x4 to 4x4 carrier is the owc, and thats $130

for m.2

now you can put a linkreal for $280 into 8 of those
for 1.3k, 32 m.2 drives in a single pcie slot

[gusty kiln]

that bypass the need for bifurcation?

[astral haven]

both the linkreal and owc do yea

[gusty kiln]

damn

[astral haven]

as does the insano 21 m.2 card

apex is 1800 for 16 drives
2800 for 21 drives

thats 4.0 tho

rather than the 3.0 of the owc and linkreal

[empty wren]

Disgusting only 1 tb why not 2

[crisp granite]

your mom makes for an awful sugar mommy

[empty wren]

Good makes you stay away from her

[crisp granite]

Bitch wouldn’t spring for 2TB

[crisp granite]

Nah…just gonna make her disappear once the will is straightened out

👌

[empty wren]

But also 990 is worse

[astral haven]

"worse"

[empty wren]

It had seen more wear than the 980

[astral haven]

its the same thing basically except with a different set of bugs that should now be fixed

[empty wren]

Well good job Samsung then

[astral haven]

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/mWkUcx6mX6bTXUYLBnTGqY-970-80.png.webp

i wish they would put the p5800x on these graphs for scale

p sure the p5800x would score near 3k in this test lel

oh wow no it only gets 1200

oh wait thats the 800gb

[latent mural]

whos tom

[crisp granite]

your mother's boyfriend

[astral haven]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/revisiting-intel,221.html

the writer of this article

[latent mural]

what exatcly is toms hardware?

[astral haven]

a news site

[latent mural]

tom be hardwaring cuzzo

[ashen spindle]

I take what do you ask google, for 500

[cursive summit]

We playing categories now?

[woven laurel]

1500 solutions ez

[latent mural]

tells me nothing

u solving puzzles?

[astral haven]

close enough

[steady tartan]

https://youtu.be/5DePDzfyWkw?si=hUzBfk1zmT7ZRt59&t=194

https://grayjay.app/

[rustic crag]

this is a w

[steady tartan]

youtube, twitch, kick, soundcloud etc. in one app

without ads

insane

[umbral heron]

It's like 3rd time on this channel

[reef patrol]

Ah yes. A classic.

Was it in the with the clue.

[marsh glade]

Don't dead open inside

[empty wren]

@wheat plume do you have a recent app with two apps if you split them?

Just curious if this is stock android behavior

[wheat plume]

Indeed!

[empty wren]

Nice

I do not remember that being a thing that is why I pinged you

Like when split screen got introduced

[wheat plume]

I think it's new

Since Android 10 maybe

[astral haven]

ive had it the whole time with my s21 so definetly at least android 11

[haughty vector]

can anyone help me with my pc? it’s not turning on and shows no sign of power. i turned it on this morning and everything was working fine then i went to eat and the pc doesn’t turn on but the monitors are turned on and the outlet seems to be working fine

[astral haven]

what have you tried

[haughty vector]

nvm it fixed itself somehow

[latent kiln]

Just ordered a G Pro X Superlight 2 with 20% discount and a free G840 mouse pad

It will do well alongside my Wooting 60HE that is also arriving soon :D

[astral haven]

unifi?
thats not possible

[latent kiln]

I had the unfortunate event of BOTH my keyboard and mouse breaking. Mouse is 100% dead and keyboard works somewhat (RGB is a bit broken and some keys stop working on-and-off)

[latent kiln]

What's this

[astral haven]

this is the readout from my router

it thinks that my wifi ap used 6 petabytes of data in the last 24 hours

[latent kiln]

Did you upload that much in 24 HR lmao

r/softwaregore xD

[astral haven]

its not even physically possible to transmit that much data through the connection

it shows on the left that its normal gigabit

[latent kiln]

What router is it

[astral haven]

udm pro se

[latent kiln]

That is an expensive router

I just have a TP Link AX10

[astral haven]

its a powerful router

[latent kiln]

What do you gain from it?

[astral haven]

10 gig support for 1

[latent kiln]

I mean, my 2.4 is super slow but I use 5 GHz band and it works alright. Range is just long enough

[astral haven]

it doesnt have built in wifi lel

[latent kiln]

o.O

[astral haven]

its just a router and switch and nas

[latent kiln]

Is it also a modem?

[astral haven]

no

although it can act like one for fiber

[latent kiln]

Yeah. That's what I meant

[astral haven]

which hopefully i will be able to get soon

[latent kiln]

It can take light and turn it into "regular ethernet"

[astral haven]

nah you need a converter for that

but that gets provided by the provider

[latent kiln]

Isn't it the modem that does it

Isn't a modem converting one type of signal to another

[astral haven]

the modem is the device that converts the digital signals

not physical signals

[latent kiln]

Ah well okay. I don't know enough about internet infrastructure

[astral haven]

a modem usually also includes a media converter

[latent kiln]

I am more of a software guy :D

I know and work with raw TCP and UDP but lack knowledge about the infrastructure

[astral haven]

but yea it has an sfp port, and you can put an optical adapter (called a transceiver) in it

yee

the ISP networks themselves dont use ethernet (mac addresses and shiz) they use something else, and the modem converts between that something else and ethernet

currently the only benefit i get is that i can plug any poe device into ethernet and itll just power on no matter where it is in the house and with just 1 cable

[latent kiln]

The internet is amazing technology honestly

Some of the most revolutionary things to happen to our world

[astral haven]

yep

and yet here in the us its screwed because of the billion dollars the gov gave to expand fiber to everyone, something like 90 million actually was used for that, and the other 900M went into exec pockets thanks to a loophole

[latent kiln]

Bruh

I got very affordable fiber here

This year it was brought in to my apartment block

[astral haven]

here 1 gig is $80/mo

5 gig is 160/mo

[latent kiln]

It is a non-profit company as well

[astral haven]

lucky you
we have att -_-

[latent kiln]

They just need money for keeping the lights on and having support employees

But they pay a larger internet company to get the connection

[astral haven]

yea thats pretty normal

buy a big pipe for like 100 people and split the costs between them

[latent kiln]

I am excited to try the G Pro X Superlight 2

It's like half the weight of the G502 that I used before

[astral haven]

yee
got a superlight 1 and its pretty great

[latent kiln]

What size hands do you have?

[astral haven]

very small

[latent kiln]

I think mine are a bit larger than medium

19.5 cm x 9.5 cm

[astral haven]

the gpw shape is excellent for all sizes pretty much

[latent kiln]

I hope the Superlight will be good enough size-wise

Yeah I heard so

I am still skeptical though. I always am

[astral haven]

reasonable

[latent kiln]

I don't use palm grip though

[astral haven]

my hands are too small to fingertip it but i can claw it pretty well

[latent kiln]

Claw grip is best :)

I feel that is the easiest way to click a mouse

[astral haven]

heres the rjn sizing guide

[latent kiln]

Oh nice. I am above medium yeah. I think

But as I use claw I am good to go anyway

[shell isle]

Anyone know anything about setting up a wooting 60HE to make the analog compatibility work on a gamepad emulator such as xim apex or keymander 2?

[shell isle]

It does and the problem is I don’t know how to change the wooting to direct input instead of XInput

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.techspot.com/news/100538-sandisk-announces-world-fastest-15-tb-microsd-card.html

[astral haven]

more like worlds cheapest 1.5tb

sandisk uses a crazy extension to the sd standard that basically no devices support to hit those speeds

[vagrant pagoda]

to hit 150?

that isnt crazy for microsd

[astral haven]

no the speed isnt that high but the extension is actually insane, it uses a crazy high frequency far outside of the recommended spec and isnt supported in almost any devices outside of the sandisk readers practically

[vagrant pagoda]

huh

there are multiple microsd cards that can do 150mb/s

[astral haven]

sure

and some of them arent even faking it

[vagrant pagoda]

?

you ahve any proof of that?

[astral haven]

1 look at the rating
its uhs 1

2 look at benchmarks

[vagrant pagoda]

the arctial is wrong

the 1.5 is only 1 rated

98MB/s

[astral haven]

?

[vagrant pagoda]

the 1.5TB card is uhs-1 and 98MB/s rated

[astral haven]

"[256GB-512GB; 1TB-1.5TB] Transfer files fast up to
150MB/s2
read speeds with SanDisk® MobileMate®
USB 3.0 microSD™ card reader6"

lets see if windows hdr screenshots are fixed

actually we wouldnt be able to tell since its black white and a single other color nvm

https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/sandisk/product/memory-cards/ultra-uhs-i-microsd/data-sheet-ultra-uhs-i-microsd-150mbps.pdf

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.westerndigital.com/products/memory-cards/sandisk-ultra-uhs-i-microsd?sku=SDSQUNC-016G-AN6MA

Sequential Read Performance
Up to 98MB/s

[astral haven]

and that is correct

but its also not what sandisk says

[vagrant pagoda]

thats WD site

who owns sandisk

how is that not what sandisks says

[astral haven]

oh you are looking at the wrong card

swap to the 1.5tb

the 16gb is advertised as 98

https://www.westerndigital.com/products/memory-cards/sandisk-ultra-uhs-i-microsd?sku=SDSQUAC-1T50-GN6MA

[vagrant pagoda]

mine shows both as 98?

[astral haven]

refresh

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

i did

[astral haven]

you on a non us site?

maybe that sort of false advertising is illegal elsewhere

and like tbh its not that wrong since you can read off the data that fast so for most users they wont care

but use it idk in the standard compliant sd card reader built into your laptop and you get screwed

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean

other companys use it too is what im saying

if its over 100MB/s and it isnt a uhs-2 then its using the extended spec

[astral haven]

absolutely

[vagrant pagoda]

also almost no comsumer divices even support uhs-2

[astral haven]

but the extended spec that sandisk uses is super cursed

[vagrant pagoda]

they all use it to get the speed out of uhs-1

[astral haven]

one of these things is not like the others, 🎵
🎶 one of these things does not belong

[vagrant pagoda]

that makes no sense beacuse other outlets got better results with sandisks own reader which is doing poorly here

why would the same reader work differently

[astral haven]

which reader exactly

sandisk has alot of readers

the one that they sell with the card in a bundle tends to be the only one that works for the card they sell it with

its actually stupid

again you can get the speed with some of the readers

[vagrant pagoda]

alos

[astral haven]

but its not common

[vagrant pagoda]

are no one of those readers the same that did good on either?

[astral haven]

?

[vagrant pagoda]

the top 3 on the acer

arent efven on the test for the sandisk

yeah

none of the readers that did over 100 on the acer are on the sandisk test

how is that even close to comparable results

[astral haven]

yea you right its fucked all around, it does seem that the acer also acts the same on the same readers

https://www.cameramemoryspeed.com/reviews/card-readers/sony-mrw-s1-uhs-ii-sd-card-reader/

this seems to be a compliant reader

performance on the sony cards is suspiciously high, but besides those everything is in line

https://www.cameramemoryspeed.com/reviews/card-readers/delkin-black-rugged-uhs-ii-sd-cf-card-reader/

this is more like it

oops

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.pcgamer.com/zotacs-new-mini-pc-will-hopefully-usher-in-a-new-era-of-device-cooling/

Air jet in consumer device

[severe phoenix]

https://www.costco.com/lg-ultragear-48"-class-oled-uhd-gaming-monitor-with-%24100-digital-credit-included.product.4000180170.html?sh=true&nf=true&qaTestID=ios7.3

[lofty ginkgo]

So what are the best mouse pairings for Wooting 60he? I'm currently using the old Model O, thinking about G Pro X Superlight 2, DAV3 pro or the finalmouse I stumbled upon recently. Playing mostly CS:GO and Val

[reef patrol]

I've been using the Superlight for about a year. And ignoring the fact that I've had it replaced twice under warranty for a scroll wheel gone rogue, it's been a great mouse.

[raw zephyr]

can't go wrong with superlight :)

i've been using superlight 1 for years, no scroll issues, now superlight 2 and it's fine

[warm night]

id call superlight a safe choice

you more than likely will be happy with it

model o I'd avoid, heard glorious has had QC issues in the past

[lofty ginkgo]

I have model O for two years now, no issues, but want to get rid of the cable and upgrade 🙂

[warm night]

i didn't even read I thought you were considering it xd

but dav3 is good and finalmouse make good mice but again QC issues i believe

and idk when theyre that expensive idk if you wanna roll the dice

real

[old marlin]

well if you have an issue rma

that is what support is there for

not really abusing it

[reef patrol]

If there's a defect, there's a defect.

[old marlin]

honestly, just dodge glorious in it's entirety, they have massive quality issues on any product

[reef patrol]

If my mouse scroll wheel is detecting up when I'm scrolling down at random intervals, that's not my fault 😄

[old marlin]

yep

you don't

contact support

get a replacement

[reef patrol]

I don't need anything. Logitech needs to replace the product I paid for 😄

I -can- buy my own replacements, but that's modding.

Something I'm only going to be doing to my two "defective" Superlights

[fallen shore]

I haven't had any problems with Glorious and I have been a customer there for like 4 years now and their support responses fast and are useful

[old marlin]

almost all of their products so far had those issues

build quality and/or firmware

[fallen shore]

Guess I'm just lucky

I know they had some firmware problems with Model O 2 etc

Don't even know if that is fixed now

[old marlin]

nope

they never bothered to fix it

won't happen in the future either

[fallen shore]

I last bought a Model O Pro from them and have had zero issues so far

I also bought the GMMK 1, but wouldn't recommend it

The aluminium starts to oxidize after a few months

But it's not a bad keyboard if you don't look at that

[lofty ginkgo]

Yeah I saw this sentiment when I was looking for an upgrade these days. I'm coming from GMMK + Model O combo and going for Wooting HE + something most likely superlight. Built a new PC so it began the spiral of upgrading monitor and peripherals haha

[old marlin]

why go from a model o pro that you are happy with to a superlight

[fallen shore]

I had the normal Model O, but I didn't like the honeycomb. And the Model O perfectly fits my hand

[old marlin]

ah

my tiny brain did not realize I was talking to a different person

greyscale pfp ☑️

[raw zephyr]

average Yamatoklok moment

[fallen shore]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929807268994744340/999671882515218494/EEFB204C-AFE9-49A5-9173-11892B4CE6E9.gif

[old marlin]

just buy a better FK clone then

[old marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/mushroom-gif-22011999

[fallen shore]

I already tried the Superlight once, but I didn't like it

[old marlin]

I personally hate the shape

[fallen shore]

It felt too smooth and it was a bit to small

[raw zephyr]

greatest shape to ever exist

[old marlin]

hurts my hand to use it

[raw zephyr]

alien grip

[fallen shore]

Model O Pro fits my hand perfectly and probably not gonna switch in a long time

[old marlin]

it really only was made to be actively bad for as few people as possible

[raw zephyr]

i tried so many different mice and always eventually come back to the gpx

[lofty ginkgo]

I wonder what the initial reviews of O 2 Pro will say. I like the shape and overall the old Model O (not pro) has been working well for me. Just want something wireless

[fallen shore]

The Model O,D and I 2 all have firmware problems

So I don't recommend them

[old marlin]

I wonder if there will be an initial review on techpowerup

if not that is always a bad sign

otherwise you get reviewers that tell you that "the 2khz" on a mouse feels great

when it doesn't actually do 2khz

[fallen shore]

If you want to stay with a Model O just buy a Model O wireless

[old marlin]

just buy a viper

[fallen shore]

It's actually the same you have now, but wireless

[raw zephyr]

1khz is barely noticeable to me

marginally smoother

[fallen shore]

I have never changed my Hz for my mouse

[umbral heron]

Yeah, for me 2ms and 1ms are pretty much identical
Idk what would be use for >1kHz

[old marlin]

if a reviewer tells me that the "2khz" feels great on a mouse I would assume it actually is 2khz

and not 1khz with extra empty polls

[old marlin]

it's not about delay but motion smoothness

[fallen shore]

I don't even feel the difference between 500 and 1000 Hz pull rate

[old marlin]

doesn't make the review better

[umbral heron]

Yeah, that's the point, with 500-1000-2000 kHz we are hitting point of very diminishing returns, and the difference in smoothness may not be even noticeable over 500Hz unless you're making huge circles size of the whole display all the time
I'm sure it's placebo effect, and no one really would notice the difference between 1000 and 2000, just like in music 24b/96 vs 24b/192

in blind test*

[old marlin]

it is noticeable with faster displays

[fallen shore]

The thing is with Hz is that the higher you go the less you feel a difference

Same goes for monitors

[old marlin]

yea but 1khz is not enough for 240hz monitors

you get a lot of motion jitter

esp since we are heading for 500hz monitors now

[fallen shore]

I'm still chilling with my 144 Hz monitor

[umbral heron]

Oh yeah, I guess that'd be true on higher refresh rates
I'm 60Hz commoner
Anything over 90Hz gives me motion sickness

[raw zephyr]

as i said 2khz feels marginally smoother on my 360hz monitor

not gamechanging

[old marlin]

there is no mouse that actually does 2khz as the maximum though

have not seen any

all the ones that claim to be 2khz are just 1khz with fake polls

or are 4/8khz

[fallen shore]

I have actually never used a 2khz mouse

I would probably not feel the difference tho

[old marlin]

ah

yea nvm

we got 1 mouse that does it

stormbreaker as well but they just limited it to 2khz

fw is 4khz capable

[fallen shore]

I'm just gonna stick with my 1 khz and 144 Hz monitor

Don't wanna step out of my safe zone

[old marlin]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/glorious-model-o-2-wireless/5.html

[fallen shore]

Didn't LMG also flame the Model O 2

[old marlin]

LMGs mouse testing is ass though

[fallen shore]

In one of those videos where they reviewed a mouse from a YouTuber

[old marlin]

yes

which also had bad testing

[fallen shore]

I don't even know how you "test" a mouse

[old marlin]

you know how techpowerup has motion data?

[fallen shore]

Nope

[old marlin]

👍

[fallen shore]

I don't really go on techuppower

Only if there is a new CPU or GPU or something like that

But those are like the few things I can actually understand

I don't even know what motion data is and it's probably something really logical to do for a test (for mouses)

[fickle ore]

good thing I dint buy it. Tried to ask them for 1 month+ if they would enable 4khz or not even if alluding to that. I guess not lmfao

[old marlin]

lol

[fickle ore]

still cool sensor pos

[reef patrol]

What's the best, cost effective GPU to buy these days? I assume it's one of the last gen AMDs? Upgrading from a 3080

[old marlin]

would say not worth to upgrade

[fickle ore]

lol keep 3080

[ashen spindle]

Upgrading and staying cost effective? None in that area

[old marlin]

unless you go 4090

[umbral heron]

Isn't 3080 in the ballpark of 7800XT?

[ashen spindle]

Yea

[reef patrol]

I would keep my 3080, but I've been getting random graphical artifacts for months.

If I have Youtube open and tab around, I'll sometimes see random checkerboard patterns somewhere on screen while alt tabbing things around.

[fickle ore]

RMA worthy

hope for 4080 in return if 3080 is eol

[reef patrol]

I somehow doubt HP will RMA the GPU of a PC I don't have anymore 😄

[ashen spindle]

Ah 7800xt would be about the same then and the most „sensible“ of the current gen I‘d say, about same performance

[fickle ore]

sos

[ashen spindle]

6950xt if you can find it still for cheap perhaps

[reef patrol]

I'll make a mental note of these. Gotta find a waterblock to match as well which is always a fun experience 😄

[fickle ore]

6950xt would prob cost an extra 80€/year on these danish c/kwh, wud go for 7800 xt or wait for nvidia 4xxx Super

[umbral heron]

In Chrome/Edge? Have you tried to add --disable-direct-composition to launch parameters? Nvidia drivers has issues with Chromium-based apps lately

[reef patrol]

Hmm... worth a shot I suppose.

[ashen spindle]

Yeah I think that might just be chrome because I’ve been having some issues on my 4090 and chrome too

[umbral heron]

I did not expect 7900XTX to be so close to 4090
At least without raytracing

[ashen spindle]

So best to wait if it doesn’t get any worse and then next gen a change maybe

[reef patrol]

Yeah just preparing in case it suddenly shits the bed.

[ashen spindle]

Yeah then 7800xt because the 6950xt stock will dry out

[reef patrol]

Was hoping to get a CPU upgrade first, but I gotta be able to run games, and buying 1060 or something just to get boot would be sad 😄

[ashen spindle]

Time to get big fat apu next year

[reef patrol]

Ryzen have iGPUs now yes?

Wasn't really a thing when I grabbed my 5600X.

[ashen spindle]

Yes

But more joking about the massive apu coming end of next year

[reef patrol]

Was kind of eyeing the new Zen5 3d ones, because... well the kind of games I play 😄

[ashen spindle]

I hope the 3d ones aren’t delayed vs non 3d this time

[umbral heron]

It seems that Chrome checkerboard bug is a renderer issue between Windows and Nvidia drivers, it's all over the place on Nvidia forums, guru3d and such
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/526612/chrome-based-browser-artifact/3383738/
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/geforce-graphics-cards/5/527761/checkerboard-flashes/
https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/solution-fix-checkerboard-like-patterns-randomly-appearing-in-chromium-based-applications.449341/

[reef patrol]

Oh good to know. I am less concerned then 😄

[ashen spindle]

Man my 4090 has had so many issues compared to the 6800 before lol

[fickle ore]

I demand refund for the advice

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/wallet-gif-25866507

[fickle ore]

what the hell

oh that reminds me gotta update amd gpu drivers lest I get banned on BDO and EAC

[umbral heron]

What's funny is that bug found it's way to Linux too On mesa-git bleeding-edge drivers there was this issue, it's mostly fixed now, but you still have to restart video player sometimes or you'll be watching black screen

[solemn remnant]

huh never got to encounter this, but lol

[raw zephyr]

no issues on my 7900xtx

i only have issues with this shitty msi motherboard

[fallen shore]

What do you guys think of the new Discord layout?

[old marlin]

absolutely horrible

[fallen shore]

Ik

I woke up today and thought wtf is this

[old marlin]

[fallen shore]

Luckily you can change it back

[old marlin]

is it not just a preview now

oh ok

[fallen shore]

The only good part is the new friend list

But I hate the rest with a passion

[solemn remnant]

looks garboog

[reef patrol]

Siiiiiigh... Not a fan of nu LTT.

Watching the video on Steamdeck upgrades. He harps on about that aftermarket cooler, and how it should be using cooling pads, even mentioning it being shipped off to labs.

But does he back up that claim by fixing it using pads? Nope. NEXT PRODUCT PLS

[old marlin]

bruh

[raw zephyr]

simple fix, don't watch it :D

[mild dome]

Problem is we wanted how it was before. It's like your favourite ice cream changing recipes

Yeah I am not gonna buy it anymore, but I pray they make a return to the older methods, because I legit like how it was.

Really it is how Steve of Gamer's Nexus said: Linus wants to pump out videos far too fast, he nolonger has an interest in quality content, just lots of it

[raw zephyr]

yeah because more videos makes more money than less videos

[old marlin]

tbh

for me it is more like taking a break from that ice cream

to then realize it has been bad for a while when trying it again

[wheat plume]

Wallpaper Engine on Plasma desktop 💜

[umbral heron]

catsout's plugin?

[wheat plume]

Uh, I forgot who makes it
One sec xd

Yup....that's the one!

I'm surprised most of the wallpaper engine works under proton
It just can't apply wallpaper or link with the phone app

But you can search and install new wallpaper

[umbral heron]

Is really nice, I'm using it for over a year
Though I should probably update my git repo with configs in case something breaks on my PC

I didn't knew proton runs it

sometime back it was just black screen

[wheat plume]

Just cleaned the back of my phone and blinded myself with the flashlight that turned on because my hand was against the lock screen shortcut unexpectedly

Fml

[tough crypt]

Time to build my first pc 🙏

[wheat plume]

I applied the default Breeze theme
And chrome is still dark theme and idk wtf why that is

[umbral heron]

I dunno either, I have set here on my laptop Breeze Light and yet everything runs in dark mode

[wheat plume]

Hmmm

[umbral heron]

Sorry
Everything but KDE native windows

[wheat plume]

So uh
These flags cause it to use dark theme on some elements

Strange

[umbral heron]

Huh
First time I'm coming across LacrOS, ChromeOS 2.0?

[wheat plume]

I think it's Google's effort to slowly separate the Chrome browser from being the core of ChromeOS

So that ChromeOS is basically a regular distro with chrome preinstalled

Idk
Could be wrong

[umbral heron]

More Linuxy and less Chromy? That'd be nice for low-end laptops
Ofc more Linuxy and less Androidy

[wheat plume]

I'm still sure you'll be able to run Android apps still on ChromeOS

That's one of the selling points for a lot of people

[fallen shore]

That looks super clean

[wheat plume]

Yeh
I'm going for minimal!

[fallen shore]

What OS is that?

[umbral heron]

https://tenor.com/view/slipping-penguin-funny-animals-cute-winter-gif-13064024

[fallen shore]

Wait you already said it when you posted the image

[wheat plume]

I said desktop not OS xf

I'm sort of replicating MacOS with the top panel with the app name and global menu

Cause I love that part of MacOS desktop

[wheat plume]

[fallen shore]

Yeah, I already found their website

I mainly use Linux Mint on my laptop purely because of the GUI

You can basically customize however you want

[wheat plume]

Who's website? KDE Plasma?

[raw zephyr]

wait until you learn about twm ;)

[fallen shore]

Yeah

[wheat plume]

Oh plz no xxdd too much too soon

[wheat plume]

Plasma is even more customisable than Cinnamon!

[fallen shore]

I haven't really customized my Mint yet

[raw zephyr]

also check out maim, spectacle is bloat ;D

[raw zephyr]

maim -u | xclip -sel c -t image/png

no idea how you make keybinds on plasma

[umbral heron]

Spectacle binds to PrtSc automatically I believe, I mean I didn't configured it specifically

[raw zephyr]

i3

# printsc - take fullscreen screenshot and copy to clipboard
bindsym Print exec --no-startup-id maim -u | xclip -selection clipboard -t image/png

# shift+printsc - take selection screenshot and copy to clipboard
bindsym Shift+Print exec --no-startup-id maim -u -s | xclip -selection clipboard -t image/png

[wheat plume]

Xd

I used to use flameshot in i3

[raw zephyr]

more here https://man.archlinux.org/man/maim.1.en

even includes examples

[umbral heron]

I see
I'm using Spectacle mostly because of built-in editing tools

[steep creek]

lol I always found it funny kde uses k instead of c in a lot of words

[wheat plume]

Yep xd I love it

Surprised they named it Spectacle and not Spektakle

:")

[steep creek]

Haha

[wheat plume]

Watch that be a bad word in German or something

[frozen ingot]

spektakel is the swedish term

[wheat plume]

Ooh

[fallen shore]

Spektakel is also a Dutch word

[umbral heron]

Oh yeah, I was confused why wouldn't they call KCalc just Kalk

[frozen ingot]

lekker as a term also exists in swedish but spelt läcker

which can also mean leaking

[umbral heron]

I mean... if you use too much lube then...

[wheat plume]

Right??

[steep creek]

Same here lol, just lekker, which can also mean leaking

[wheat plume]

Doesnt Lekker mean delicious in some language?

[frozen ingot]

yes in dutch

[frozen ingot]

it means the same in swe too just different spelling

[wheat plume]

Aha

I love my tasty switches

That could mean something very kinky ...

[umbral heron]

Oh, by the way, speaking of leaking
Do not use WD40 to clean your keyboard from water

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-gif-11895255

[wheat plume]

Uhh

Ok...wasn't gonna do that anyway but noted

[frozen ingot]

to me dutch kinda sounds like if you took a bit of english, german and swedish and threw into a blender

[wheat plume]

Yep xd

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-goldblum-jurassic-park-jurassic-scientist-your-scientists-gif-11921883

[umbral heron]

Oh wait, QR codes patents expired not some long ago
We will see some quite interesting QR forms soon I believe

[wheat plume]

YouTube is spying on my discord

[steep creek]

Lol if they keep at it you soon have to take a panoramic shot to scan the whole QR code

[vagrant pagoda]

https://youtu.be/oUqWE9HJ83I

[gusty kiln]

Finally

[halcyon moss]

you only found out just now? 🤯

[wheat plume]

No xd

[umbral heron]

https://www.phoronix.com/news/RADV-Ray-Tracing-2023

RT on penguin finally viable? 👀

[vagrant pagoda]

Finally something that might come close to a 13900k power draw

That 96c is going to demolish cinebench with OC

[astral haven]

Shame they demolished the io...

But the motherboards should be at least cheaper than the w790 ones since they don't have as many Gen 5 slots

[gusty kiln]

Apparently the oneplus open is launching

[astral haven]

Here's the specs 🤣
https://m.gsmarena.com/oppo_find_n3-12205.php

[gusty kiln]

Looks decent

[vagrant pagoda]

Demolished? Pro has 128 lanes+chipset lanes

[astral haven]

But no overclocking

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes pro has oc

Did you miss that?

[astral haven]

Whaaaaat

[vagrant pagoda]

Yep

OEMs can disable OC on wrd90, but off the shelf mobos will have oc

[astral haven]

Holy shit!

[vagrant pagoda]

So you no longer need an engineering sample

And when you consider how hard you can push the ess 5000 pros

On ln2 the 5000pro es is 10k pounds behind sapphire rapids

And just having ddr5 would more than make that up

Zen4+ddr5+50% more cores

[astral haven]

Yeee

Let's fkn gooooo

[ashen spindle]

Steve said they asked amd to do OC with the amd team after review so that should be fun

[astral haven]

I am curious what the gaming performance will be

Will monolithic 2400x be able to eek out a win?

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean worst than ryzen

[astral haven]

Yep but 2400x is also worse than msdt

[gusty kiln]

I would guess like 7600/7700 level

What core count?

[vagrant pagoda]

Maybe for the 16c part

The big boys suffer hard stock

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

[vagrant pagoda]

Random background shit loads to many cores and kills boost

[gusty kiln]

32 core have 4ghz base

Not to bad

[vagrant pagoda]

What's base on a 7600

[gusty kiln]

3.8

5.1 boost

[vagrant pagoda]

Thought it was 4?

[gusty kiln]

7600x is

[vagrant pagoda]

Ah

Was close lol

[gusty kiln]

7600x is 4.7, boost 5.3

Though the cache bump on threadripper might make it X3D lite

[vagrant pagoda]

Nah

Same ccd

[gusty kiln]

Ah

[vagrant pagoda]

Cross-ccd l3 dosent make much difference for single threaded

So gaming won't be better with the more l3

It's why we only get single ccd x3d on desktop

[gusty kiln]

Too bad the sceduler still nerfs the 7950X3D

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean it's better

[gusty kiln]

Randomly shit itself on new games

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean e cores do to sometimes

Asymmetrical processors are weird

That's what also hurt bulldozer

[gusty kiln]

Ecores are easier to disable at least

[vagrant pagoda]

So is ccds

[gusty kiln]

But that hurts the 7950x3d way more

[astral haven]

also keep in mind tho big cpu = big memory latency

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah it makes it a worse 7800x3d lol

[gusty kiln]

Kek

[vagrant pagoda]

But tr gets eypc 4 wide substrate

[old marlin]

shouldn't it be the same as a 7800x3d?

[vagrant pagoda]

So you get better thoughput

[astral haven]

it should if the scheduler liked it

but it doesnt

[old marlin]

I mean if you disable the ccd

[vagrant pagoda]

Stock for stock no

You'd have to manual tune boost for a 7950x3d with one ccd off

[astral haven]

https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i9-14900k/images/minimum-fps-1920-1080.png

[old marlin]

ah

[vagrant pagoda]

As it would still use 2ccd boost tables

[old marlin]

could be worse

could be a 7900x3d

[astral haven]

eh 7900x3d isnt that bad

[vagrant pagoda]

Eypc/TR get a massive ccd-ccd boost over ryzen

[gusty kiln]

Power limits removed

[vagrant pagoda]

So it won't be that bad

Ryzen has single link

[astral haven]

https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i9-14900k/images/power-games.png

[vagrant pagoda]

So ccd-iodie and ccd-ccd share

[astral haven]

sure but the IF clock cant go as high bc big chip

[vagrant pagoda]

Eypc/TR iodie have 4 links

[astral haven]

and the mem cant go as high bc many lanes

and the latency is still higher bc huge

[vagrant pagoda]

So with good scheduling you can get more perf on 2 ccd

[astral haven]

again 2400x is a monolith

[vagrant pagoda]

Why even care able 2400x

[astral haven]

sub 90NS latency

[vagrant pagoda]

And?

[astral haven]

gamin fam

[vagrant pagoda]

What dose that gain you in anything real world

[astral haven]

fps in games

[vagrant pagoda]

Where?

[astral haven]

in any of the games that care about ram speed?

[gusty kiln]

Gotta wait to November for the benchmarks

But yeah my guess is 7600 levels

[astral haven]

cs2 is really looking to be harsh on the ram

[gusty kiln]

Do you actually play cs2

[astral haven]

tr 5k was slower than 3600 so dont get your hopes up

[astral haven]

yea got about 30 hours i think?

[vagrant pagoda]

And?

Why would you run zen1

And not zen3

[astral haven]

tr 7k is to ryzen 7k what tr 5k is to ryzen 5k

yet tr 5k was real pain in gamin

[vagrant pagoda]

Also the other issue was 5950x are binned to the limit for some reason

[astral haven]

🤷

[vagrant pagoda]

Like it's insane the single core average going from a 5900 to a 5950

[astral haven]

yet it still wasnt as fast as my 9900k thanks to the poor ram overclocking

[vagrant pagoda]

Huh

5950x is faster than a 11th gen

[astral haven]

which also was slower than my 9900k 🤣

11th gen was intels first regression in perf in the last what 10 years?

although you could overclock the snot out of it to get it faster it was still pretty garbo

[vagrant pagoda]

Huh

Where?

9900k is worse than a 10900k in every bench I can find lol

And the 5950x is way faster than a 10900k

[astral haven]

the 9900k can be overclocked to match the 10900k

[vagrant pagoda]

That isn't regression

Lol

[astral haven]

and good luck finding a single gaming benchmark where the 5950x beats the 10900k

and im not talking about ashes of the benchmark

remember you could 1.5x the perf of the 10900k going from xmp 3600 to tuned 4400

https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i9-11900k/images/relative-performance-games-1920-1080.png

remember the 5950x was redlined

and almost everyone tested it at its optimal ram speed of 3600

3600 is to 5950x what 4400 is to 10900k

which sure cost more, but it was still a way to get better perf

[vagrant pagoda]

Definitely can't find those benches

[gusty kiln]

Definitely can't find bench with 4400 ram

[astral haven]

yea with gn using 3200 ram which hurts the intel far more than it does the amd chips

[vagrant pagoda]

Then Intel should spec faster ram

[astral haven]

🤷 so should amd

[vagrant pagoda]

Amd specs 3200 for 5950x

[astral haven]

nope

not for 4 sticks

[wheat plume]

Idk how to make this app ;_;

[vagrant pagoda]

That literally off AMDs site

[astral haven]

3200 is 2 sticks

[vagrant pagoda]

And?

The benches are 2 stick

[astral haven]

4 sticks is 2666

no gn uses 4 sticks

intel doesnt have a 2 stick rating, just a 4 stick

[vagrant pagoda]

10th gen is not 3200

That's 11th gen

[astral haven]

ion

im aware that intel screws up their ratings

but their spec sheet isnt lying

the point is that if you are an enthusiast

which you have to be if you are considering spending 3k on a mobo+cpu+ram alone

you have to consider the performance you can actually get

i had a 9900k

i "upgraded" to a 5950x

my performance got substantially worse

why?
not entirely sure
but the oc i had on the ram previously was no longer stable

[astral haven]

and so i had to drop it down

[cursive summit]

AMD no longer scammed them

https://wccftech.com/first-intel-meteor-lake-cpu-powered-handheld-gaming-console-arc-graphics-5-gpu-20-35w-lpddr5x/

Alright?

[astral haven]

it was a shame, but it was fkn slower and it pissed me tf off since it also consumed more power

[cursive summit]

Considering how AMD is just far better it seems at low power operations and are far better at iGPUs

Idk what's really the idea with going Intel over AMD

Maybe price?

[gusty kiln]

Lol a dual x3d ccd 7950x3d would have been a good cpu for you. Since 7800x3d is topping cs2 even with intel on fast ram

[vagrant pagoda]

Overclocking isbt the standard you compare products

Because it can vary wildly chip to chip

[astral haven]

no it wouldnt because amd fkn banned x8 slots from the chipset

[gusty kiln]

[vagrant pagoda]

Why would you want a x8 chipset powered slot

[astral haven]

im comparing the chips i bought
i am a customer who paid for a thing

[cursive summit]

@fickle ore is in shambles https://www.businessinsider.com/nokia-layoffs-14000-job-cuts-phone-cost-cutting-2023-10

[vagrant pagoda]

And you ran the chips outside of what their sold as supporting

[cursive summit]

This is really funny though https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-considering-taking-twitter-x-out-of-europe-dsa-2023-10

[vagrant pagoda]

This new Honda is garbage because when I run 100 lb of boost through it the motor blows up is not a legit review

[cursive summit]

If he has any clue what the fuck he's doing, he is NOT going to just abandon a 500 million potential consumer market

[astral haven]

because i have a pcie 3.0 switch with a bunch of devices attached and i dont want it to hurt my gpu performance

[cursive summit]

But Musk was always known for having shit for brains so eh

[vagrant pagoda]

Then buy a platform that supports that it sure as hell isn't desktop

[astral haven]

if you could tune an old mustang to 1khp
and the new mustang could only be tuned to 500hp
and the old mustang did laps around your favorite track faster
the old mustang was better for you

[frozen ingot]

he bought twitter at a significantly inflated price, fired most of the competent workforce and then renamed the brand he paid hundreds of millions for to X

go figure

[cursive summit]

Hey hey but according to him, everything is fine and dandy

Tbf his rivals absolutely must love him, he fired some great experts that got hired for pretty cheap lol

[astral haven]

sure but am5 could
and 115x could
and 1200 could

thats why im looking at 2400x and tr non pro now

[vagrant pagoda]

2400x is going to una GPU a 3.0

[cursive summit]

https://www.reuters.com/technology/netflix-raises-prices-it-adds-9-million-subscribers-2023-10-18/

[vagrant pagoda]

So you're already slowing it down

[astral haven]

what

[vagrant pagoda]

Just run it at 4.0 x 8

[cursive summit]

Netflix is pretty useless when you can just.. torrent the entire catalogue of theirs

[astral haven]

2400x is 5.0x16 for 3 full slots

• some m.2 slots

[vagrant pagoda]

Wut

[astral haven]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4552888&cm_sp=product-combooption

[vagrant pagoda]

Oh I was going ryzen apu

Loo

[astral haven]

oh lmao

[vagrant pagoda]

They are monolithic too

[astral haven]

i should probably be saying 24##x

ryzen 2400x doesnt exist tho

[vagrant pagoda]

And have better imc than non API ryzen lol

They don't sell it 2400g with no igpu?

[astral haven]

theres the 2400g but no 2400x refers to the xeon ws from the 2400 series that are x skus

[vagrant pagoda]

Thought they did

[fickle ore]

? wat

[astral haven]

i think they do but but its not 2400x

theres no 2400x ryzen chip

maybe a 2400 but i cant find that online either

[cursive summit]

You love Nokia as a Finn, and they don't seem to be doing too well

[astral haven]

may be something like 1600AF or something like that

[reef patrol]

There's the old 2200G

[astral haven]

yea but that also has an apu

[reef patrol]

[fickle ore]

when have I said that

[cursive summit]

Haven't you stanned Nokia not too long ago?

[frozen ingot]

I didn't realize nokia was actually still in the telecom business

[cursive summit]

Nokia is arguably only in telecom business

[fickle ore]

? sack of asshair

[astral haven]

yea ion thought i was talking about a zen 2 chip from ancient times competing against tr 7000
and i was talking about the xeon W chips from 6 months ago

[cursive summit]

What

[vagrant pagoda]

That's why I was very confused

[frozen ingot]

always figured the more recent models like that 3310 tribute was just some chinese brand that had paid to use nokia branding

[cursive summit]

Well there's 2 Nokias

[vagrant pagoda]

My buddy was doing some HW bot stuff with 5000 apus

[cursive summit]

Or wait did Nokia buy the phone brand back

[vagrant pagoda]

And the gpus apus do really well for memory

[astral haven]

yup i should have noticed when you said zen 1 and i was like whaaa

[vagrant pagoda]

So my brain was like why would you use zen one and not Zen three

GPUless apus

[astral haven]

yup but they have nerfed l3 cache so they dont even always win in gaming with a solid ram oc

they oc far better than even the 9900k tho

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah but in synth they do well for the price

[astral haven]

in gaming they do well for the price

but i want faster

[vagrant pagoda]

So they are good for getting HW bot points

[astral haven]

i dont care about perf/ dollar

the most expensive component in my pc is my ssd

tho i paid more for my gpu thanks to fkn mining but 😦

the highest msrp component in my pc is my ssd

[vagrant pagoda]

I bet you I have you beat for actual MSRP lol

[astral haven]

of ssd?

doubt

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah

[astral haven]

X

[vagrant pagoda]

I have a fairly complete collection of both OCZ and fusion IO ssds

I have two with six digit msrp's

[astral haven]

fair enough but i have a netapp flash cache card

[fickle ore]

0.8 P/B is stupid af, I hope they get bought out by some US corp at 5€/S

[vagrant pagoda]

But the real cream of the crop is my first gen Oracle ones

The terabyte one had an MSRP of seven digits

But tb of flash in early 2000s was insane

[frozen ingot]

it was unheard of

[vagrant pagoda]

And based on the flash health the one I have was a demo unit

[frozen ingot]

in the consumer market at least

[vagrant pagoda]

And never sold

This would of been cause on a oracle SAn

That would be millions

[astral haven]

yea fair enough

[vagrant pagoda]

Best part

It's sas ssds on a raid card

[astral haven]

cant it be booted

[vagrant pagoda]

Yep

It boots

As it's a normal raid card

[astral haven]

hunh ok

[frozen ingot]

anything larger than 128mb and you'd be paying royally

[cursive summit]

That's quite the change of heart tbf

Nokia is doing pretty well in 5G though

[fickle ore]

I mean they have good products and lots of patents but they duno how to do business. So I will always buy their phones nontheless

[astral haven]

question is tho do you boot it?

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes my x58

[astral haven]

yea not including extra pcs

my extra pcs are priceless

also consider current msrp

if it aint sold any more, msrp is meaningless

[fickle ore]

They have like free reign on 5g stuff in a lot of countries since Huawei is banned and they cant turn a profit

BAD

ULX results from FM

[vagrant pagoda]

I have the sale literature bragging that SSD storage was down to $1000 a gigabyte

[astral haven]

LOL

fun

but it also aint worth anywhere near that much now

[vagrant pagoda]

Only when you bought the 1tb

Lol

Nah

Collector items

[astral haven]

my ssd is now by far the most valuable component in my pc

[vagrant pagoda]

I my 980x workstation machine

[astral haven]

thanks to the mining bust my gpu value is 1/4 what i paid

[vagrant pagoda]

That's boot and it has a 16 disk array of 15k sas drives as bulk

[fickle ore]

lol which?

[astral haven]

3090

[fickle ore]

oof rip

[astral haven]

its a kp tho so it didnt get hit as hard as the others in theory but noone is selling so i cant be sure

[vagrant pagoda]

I hate that I'm going to have to drop five screens too upgrade GPU 😦

[fickle ore]

well if u mined ur prob in the + anyway

[vagrant pagoda]

3090s might work for the TI's

But no one can check for me

And I don't want to buy them and not work

[astral haven]

no lmao
i mined a tiny bit, but i didnt cash out at the right time, i paid for 1/4 of the card, but half of the value is gone, and the crypto is worthless now

[fickle ore]

Just hold on to the crypto and sell during next boom hehe

[vagrant pagoda]

If

Chinese locked it down hard

Doubt it will go up like that again

[astral haven]

ah shoot

android 14 beta makes coinbase think my phone is rooted so it wont let me in

[fickle ore]

We will test Einstein theory about that soon

[astral haven]

my problem is most of what i have is in eth and btc

neither of which are doing great

[fickle ore]

those are prob the safest ones to hold and best chance to go higher

I wudnt worry

[astral haven]

im not worried

[vagrant pagoda]

Cryptos only value is in breaking the law. Whether it's drugs money laundering tax evasion or market manipulatio

[astral haven]

in fact i dont even have a single paycheck worth in crypto lel

[fickle ore]

ah hehe

[astral haven]

even at the peak

and its not like i didnt get my moneys worth out of this card

[fickle ore]

it also creates value for smart money 😛

[astral haven]

no its value is in the sunk cost fallacy of the energy invested to create it

[vagrant pagoda]

It doesn't create value

[astral haven]

nah but neither does gold

[vagrant pagoda]

Yep

Only worth if you think real currency will fail

[fickle ore]

wat

[astral haven]

wrong

[vagrant pagoda]

At the end of the day when real currency fails it won't be worth anything either