🔌│tech

[tall crown]

amazing

thanks for your time

[cursive summit]

https://vxtwitter.com/harukaze5719/status/1713440249198829593

So, I guess there's a little stopgap between HBM3 and HBM4

Guessing Samsung will still make HBM3 and 2E for Nvidia?

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amds-latest-fluid-motion-frames-preview-driver-enables-frame-generation-for-all-dx11-12-games

• We have added initial support for HDR to expand the AFMF gaming experience.

That is pretty good, one of the bigger complaints about the tech

• Improvements to frame pacing have been made, resulting in an overall smoother gameplay experience and improved image quality.

Needs testing but could be exciting

https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/chat-control-2-0-eu-governments-set-to-approve-the-end-of-private-messaging-and-secure-encryption/

So what would happen to apps like Signal

[crimson wigeon]

But think of the children

[reef patrol]

They can't break encryption if they can't break encryption.

[cursive summit]

I'm guessing EU would just ban distribution of Signal through Play store and such in EU

[reef patrol]

The real question is if they can demand backdoors, or jail suspected victims for not handing over codes (see UK)

[cursive summit]

Disgusting behavior tbf

[frozen ingot]

and people wonder why I don't like the EU

[cursive summit]

There isn't a better place than EU tbf

[frozen ingot]

yes but then they come up with god awful shit like this

and it ain't the first time

[ashen spindle]

its the same that every government comes up with every so often though

[cursive summit]

The hope is that this doesn't happen

[ashen spindle]

at least usually in the eu it doesnt go through and stuff like right to repair or GDPR is pushed instead

[smoky frigate]

dumb shit has gotten through before, but you can usually work around it

[ashen spindle]

yeah everything has some good and some bad ideas, as long as the good parts heavily outweigh the bad parts that's fine

[devout raptor]

this is definitely not a big enough problem they just want to control people

[cursive summit]

Well, there's always the question

What are you hiding if you think it's a problem?

[ashen spindle]

no that is never the question

that assumes you live in a wolrd where you never end up disagreen with people in power, that people would never make something you said look like the wrong context etc.

[smoky frigate]

if I have nothing to hide, they have nothing to see 😛

[ashen spindle]

thats the better view

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/tKf1qnoyUR0

[reef patrol]

Lanaposting has (d)evolved into pure clickbait at this point 😛

[wheat plume]

hes talking about how hes switched to Windows desktops because Apple solder everything down and you cant upgrade the hardware

and hes like upgrading your GPU every 3 years for a few hundred dollars is better than upgrading your entire machine for like 3 thousand instead

[ashen spindle]

feel like that comparison doesnt quite work since for non gaming you either dont upgrade your gpu taht often or get the most expensive stick every year anyway

[old marlin]

And soldered ram is not something i can fault apple for at this point really

Storage sucks tho

[ashen spindle]

eh, they dont use speeds or sizes that would need soldered ram for any benefit

if the prices for ram upgrades would be fine, sure

[old marlin]

Well yea was disregarding that

[ashen spindle]

the CAMM thing from dell fixes things until that is a jedec spec soldered ram can be fine

but not for what apple uses

[cursive summit]

First time?

Eh that's a normal lana post though, for once it's actually something somewhat relevant

And not just... random youtubers and minecraft

[reef patrol]

Was referring to the video title. At least normally there's hint of context 😛

[cursive summit]

Are you done with Apple if you were never into it?

[wheat plume]

no

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/ue-1JoJQaEg

I love mechanical shit like this

[shadow minnow]

Well speeds kinda yes, I’d imagine it’s more so the access latency as they use it for VRAM

[ashen spindle]

no

[shadow minnow]

What no? Soldered ram does have lower latency

Though idk if the difference it makes matters or not. Still they also use quite high speed nowadays.
Soldered SSDs are ridiculous though

[ashen spindle]

its normal speeds that non soldered ram can get to

using it for vram doesn change that

[shadow minnow]

Latency is not the same as the frequency though

And soldered ram is less distance so slightly less latency

[ashen spindle]

yes all timings are the same as well

[reef patrol]

It's the sum of both.

[shadow minnow]

By latency in this case I mean the ammount of time it takes for the signal to travel through the wire

[reef patrol]

And again - Timings vs speed is a formula. If you don't have both, you're not any faster than something else.

Doesn't matter if the latency is super low, if the overall speed of the module doesn't match. It'd still be (as) slow as higher latency RAM.

[shadow minnow]

No not exactly

If there is less time needed to reach ram, you may be able to fit into an earlier timing slot

But tbf the difference is probably very minimal

[ashen spindle]

no it literally doesnt change anything here

[reef patrol]

Yes, exactly.

If your comparing apples to apples, there's a difference, but that isn't possible.

When comparing soldered RAM to unsoldered you have to account for differences.

[weary socket]

hi did the profile thing get fixed? or does anyone know of a fix?

[reef patrol]

Should be back up.

[weary socket]

THANK U!!!

[astral haven]

thats not how that works
at the moment the lowest latency ram a consumer can buy is still overclocked ddr dimms on intel
yet still most desktop platforms beat the latency of the soldered ones
m1 is about 100ns on dram requests, and you can get down to just over 50ns on overclocked ddr5
where stock is generally around 70 overclocked and 90 stock

[wheat plume]

UGGHH, Ubuntu 23:10 doesnt come with ffmpeg

Strange, Default gnome media player relies on it 🤔

then why is it not installed???

[crisp granite]

Linux user asking why absolute basic necessities aren’t pre installed on their shit os

2023,colourised

[wheat plume]

shit os
Ubuntu

yeah....

Forcing all deb packages to install the snap version instead .-.

[wheat plume]

you say that, but windows doesnt include ffmpeg either and its a lot harder to install it on Windows

[crisp granite]

I barely use windows, only on my gaming machine that sees little use

MacOS

[wheat plume]

Id love to try MacOS

[crisp granite]

You’d never go back

[wheat plume]

yeah but I cant do much with that

[crisp granite]

Best bet is honestly trying to get your hands on an m1 air

[wheat plume]

Do MacBooks let you boot an OS from USB C?

oh..

[crisp granite]

Parallels exists

[crisp granite]

If you want a stupid easy method for a small fee

[woven laurel]

[crisp granite]

Afternoon Arden

Things going well?

[wheat plume]

Gnome Boxes is a great VM app, uses KVM in the background which is solid AF

[woven laurel]

Goodevening, just had sushi with a white beer. things are doing great

how are you?

[crisp granite]

Knife slipped while deboning a chicken breast

Small boo-boo

[woven laurel]

[crisp granite]

Fym is a dweeb

I just nod along

No, stay D:

[wheat plume]

Anyone have a spare M1 Macbook Air they can send me? I shall pay for shipping LOL

[crisp granite]

Um…throw in cuddles, a few hundred euro and we got a deal

[wheat plume]

cuddles: yes
few hundred: nu can do

[crisp granite]

[steep creek]

yah paralells setting up windows was too easy lol, nice app

[wheat plume]

thought they no longer have Paralells on the Apple Silicon machines?

[steep creek]

it exists

performs quite well

[astral haven]

quite well meaning like a $500 laptop from 2016

[steep creek]

yea something like that

[astral haven]

as smooth as native macos maybe

[steep creek]

though vms as a whole have been a misery to me lol

ill note it down, dont have a mac anymore but will let friend of mine test it for me haha

[crisp granite]

Change that

[steep creek]

my studies says no

[astral haven]

Yay! @wheat plume

[wheat plume]

wwwoooooooo

NGL, the new expanded quick toggles area in OneUI 6 looks so nice

[astral haven]

Let's goooo

[wheat plume]

2.2gb...sounds about right

[astral haven]

this is gonna take forever ofc since samsung is incompetent at installing updates

[wheat plume]

Pixel updates take forever too cause of Dynamic Partitions

[warm night]

ya

it takes sooo long

[wheat plume]

It has to copy EVERYTHING to the second partition

and its so so so slow

then install the update

[astral haven]

its slower when theres only one partition

[wheat plume]

X to doubt

[astral haven]

because it has to do all that while the phone is shut down

[wheat plume]

ooh

[astral haven]

i mean the time where you can keep using the phone doesnt count as update time imo

[wheat plume]

yeah, but on Pixel..if you use the phone while this happens, it pauses and you have to go back to the update screen and click resume and you lose progress

[warm night]

ya it just says like itll do it later while youre not using the phone

[astral haven]

that i was not aware of

[wheat plume]

so id argue that the phone being off for longer is better

[warm night]

if you manually start it and then start using the phone again itll just give up

[wheat plume]

yeh

[warm night]

you have to just not do anything for ages

so basically overnight

is the only real time to get updates

[astral haven]

that sucks, unfortunate

[wheat plume]

It once gave up when I was NOT USING THE PHONE .-. I had it left on the update screen and it decided for some reason I was using the phone

and idk why

[warm night]

it's not hugely sucky since you just go to bed and wake up to an updated phone but itd be nice if you could a) use the phone while it did it or b) it could just go quicker

[astral haven]

hit the start button now

[astral haven]

i do wish that there was a button to check for and install updates so you could press that and immediately throw the phone on a charger

[warm night]

what you cant manually check for updatees?

[astral haven]

samsung, ios, windows
all of them you download the updates, then installing them is another button push

[warm night]

oh

right

yeah its unfortunate

[wheat plume]

you can...

[warm night]

yea i misunderstood the message

[astral haven]

arrived back at my home screen now

its still thinking about the update tho

oh wow it let me dismiss all my notifications now!

interesting
swiping down the notifications also brings the status bar down?

[halcyon moss]

Pixel was update experience was a much fast experience than Samsung.

New update! Cool let's reboot. And done

[astral haven]

keep in mind occasional security updates and major os updates are different speeds

but yea 13 minutes is an incredibly long time

[cursive summit]

New update! Time to buy a new phone cause the current one is slow af

[ashen spindle]

whats with you and your conspiracy that any update is made to make older phones run worse

[cursive summit]

Because it is

[ashen spindle]

right...

[cursive summit]

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/24/apple-samsung-fined-for-slowing-down-phones

When shit like this happens

Software updates providing virtually nothing useful (other than that one Android update with Bluetooh-LE, that was alright)

[astral haven]

"Apple acknowledged in December that it had intentionally slowed iPhones with degraded batteries through software updates to avoid sudden shutdown problems, but denied it had ever done anything to intentionally shorten the life of a product.

The company later apologised for its actions and reduced the cost of battery replacements. It also added battery health information to iOS and allowed users to turn off the slowing down of the iPhone’s processor."

[cursive summit]

And there being more than one scientific paper tying software updates to gradual device slowdown

Which is effectively just forced obsolescence at that point

I am more than negative towards software updates

[steep creek]

ironically my phone feels snappier on ios 17 compared to ios 16, lol

[ashen spindle]

yes it happend, it was from 2018 and people now look out for stuff like this

them doing it once and not getting away with it doesnt mean every update is making stuff slower now

[cursive summit]

Well considering my wonderful Nokia 7 became virtually unusable in around that time period, I have a very negative outlook

And that's not going to change considering android version updates are virtually useless

[ashen spindle]

do you even know it is because of updates

[cursive summit]

Well yes, of course

Considering my wonderful phone running Android 8 Oreo became slower than it should be with Android One

And then this weird OS update that I actually got while I was surfing the web, installed, and it became completely unresponsive permanently

Prompting me to get this chinese shite Poco

Which is actually getting slower with updates itself the bastard

Android that released at least before 2020 are too weak to deal with updates and suffer no device slowdown

Not too sure about Snapdragon 8s cause I turned off software updates on all my devices and am not ever updating them again to find out

[astral haven]

and ofc no proof is provided for any of this, and it couldnt possibly have anything to do with app updates or just using the phone for an extended period of time of course

/s

[gusty nexus]

I've erased my message because there was my address on it ;-;
But watch out there's a big scam on amazon right now with graphics cards 😅

[ashen spindle]

how do you know its a scam

[gusty nexus]

Well I got scam

By the same people, their name are the same as before
Look at rx7900 xtx nitro+ on Amazon (a lot of 7900xtx, 7900xt and 7800xt are sold by them at a low price)

[astral haven]

did they give you a big brick or something?

[gusty nexus]

They remove my order and ask you to give them money outside the app
They have also found a way to have the official comments of the amazon page on their page because the official amazon page is gone on the app for this product

[astral haven]

they cancel your order?

[gusty nexus]

Yes and then ask people to pay in a weird way to get it

[golden ibex]

wdym remove the command lmfao

[golden ibex]

he just got redirected to an amazon copycat site

[ashen spindle]

no

[gusty nexus]

No, I've receive nothing because I have not link my email to my account but they send email, people on their pages says it

[wheat plume]

how do you have an amazon account without an email address?

[gusty nexus]

When you create it it's not necessary

[ashen spindle]

yeah its just another amazong scammer trick, annoying they dont do anything about it, but as long as you always stay on amazong it will be fine

sadly they just dont care and just let people do whatever

[gusty nexus]

Look at the price of AMD graphics on amazon the nitro+ model in France you will see

[ashen spindle]

account will be banned at some point and then its just another new one made soon after

[reef patrol]

Screenshot everything and report them to Amazon. Ignore the seller.

[ashen spindle]

not worth the effort

[reef patrol]

To each their own. I am 100% that vindictive 😄

[gusty nexus]

I don't know how to report 😅

[ashen spindle]

don't bother, sadly they can just make a new account after

[gusty nexus]

I just hope that at the start of next week I will not lose money on my account ;-;
But I think not because I have accepted nothing, my order as only been removed 😅

[ashen spindle]

if all you did was order it via amaozn you are fine

if you dont enter data elsewhere they cant doa nything

[gusty nexus]

Yep that's what I did, I hope 😅

[gusty nexus]

I hope

[gusty nexus]

That's what they did but it's the same enterprise 😅

[ashen spindle]

amazon has become a shitshow for years now but there isnt really another options still

[gusty nexus]

I've heard that the same type of thing hapened like two weeks ago on US Amazon, that's why I'm just telling 😅

[ashen spindle]

happens all the time with all sort of things on any amazon site

[gusty nexus]

Yeah but it's scary ;-;
How did they have the official comments on their pages ?

[woven laurel]

[gusty nexus]

On the official app while removing the official amazon sellers page ?

[ashen spindle]

because its still the same company nehind it

comments are also a mess, many fake and bought reviews

[gusty nexus]

Because one day ago this same page was one that amazon was selling and sending to people, not this weird fake enterprise

[ashen spindle]

could just be the same company did some legit sales to farm trust

[gusty nexus]

Idk

But yeah watch what you're buying even on trusted website because it's not even safe anymore..

[astral haven]

i mean

define trusted website

[gusty nexus]

Big company like amazon for example 😅

[astral haven]

i trust ebay the website, but its just a listing platform

anyone can list whatever on ebay

and amazon is the same

[gusty nexus]

Yeah that's why it really suck ;-;

[astral haven]

🤷 just gotta be aware of it

[final flame]

same with literally every store that allows people to upload listings
ebay isn't the exception

[gusty nexus]

Yeah I know 😅

[pale sigil]

Hmmm I escaped twitter finally

Now on bluesky

[gusty nexus]

I was so happy
But I was pretty sure right from the start that it was weird..

[latent kiln]

i hate the gpu market

the prices are dumb and the vram amount is dumb

[astral haven]

dont worry about the vram amount, and just buy the cheapest gpu that performs well enough for you

like sure they are more expensive now, but they are also faster

you get much more performance even if you compare release year games

[tough crypt]

isnt funny how the more pc guides i watch the more confused i get lmao

[astral haven]

just think of it like lego

if it slips in nicely, you good, if not, check if theres a different spot where it fits better

[tough crypt]

True

The cpu and ram and ssd part are easy its just The case cables, psu cables and aio that confuse me

[astral haven]

the case cables are a bit annoying, but you just read the manual for those

psu cables is lego, if it fits easily, its the right spot

and the aio you also follow the instructions, tho be careful to not touch the paste

[gusty nexus]

Is it hard to update a motherboard bios without a CPU in it ? 😅

[astral haven]

Depends on the motherboard

Some it's easy, some it's impossible

[gusty nexus]

An Asus one for 7800x3d

[astral haven]

Check the manual

It depends on the specific motherboard

[gusty nexus]

I don't have the motherboard even the whole computer yet, I'm just thinking on how I will install everything 😅

[gusty nexus]

Okay

[astral haven]

Just look up the manual online

[gusty nexus]

I will look ^^

[warm night]

you either have a bios flashback button thing you can press to flash the bios without a cpu or

you are outta luck

as far as im aware those are the 2 possibilites

[gusty nexus]

The motherboard have one, so how will it work ? 😅

[ashen spindle]

read the manual it is different on different boards

[warm night]

you usually just plug in a usb with the bios file thing on it, make sure the board is powered and hit the button, but it differs from board to board

[ashen spindle]

take the name of the board, go to the website and check the manual for it

[warm night]

theres a specific usb port you have to use sometimes, but itll probably be labelled either on the backplate if its integrated or in the manual

[gusty nexus]

It just says to rename the file on the USB to a specific name, plug the USB on the bios port and then hit the button 😅

[ashen spindle]

well then thats what you do

but if its a new board there is a good chance it already has a bios that supports the cpu anyway

[warm night]

yep

[gusty nexus]

Idk that's why I'm asking 😅
I just don't understand how I will know when it will be done installing, does motherboard make sound or light when those type of thing are finish ?

[warm night]

i mean thatll be like

in the manual

but i guess itll have to do something to let you know it worked lol

[gusty nexus]

I've read a little of the manual but I will see when I will have to do it 😅
Thanks you for the help ^^

[tough crypt]

Yeah

Shouldnt be Hard beacuse i only have a 360mm aio with The lian Li 216 who include 3fans and only 1 ssd 2tb but yeah

[wheat plume]

I just got an email from Microsoft giving me wallpapers for the 9th anniversary of their free quality assurance Windows Insiders program!

[reef patrol]

[wheat plume]

They had one years ago that had ninja cats..... I want that one again ;_; this one is boring

The 7th year one wasn't that bad!

[crisp granite]

XD

I shall now give my macbook a kiss on the lid

[astral haven]

yea the difference between macos and linux tho is that only malware vendors know the vulns in macos, where everyone knows em in linux

[crisp granite]

welp...this build is coming together faster than I thought
snapped up the drive I wanted to use for boot at half price

[cursive summit]

https://vxtwitter.com/9550pro/status/1713841531810091516

We went from 54% improvement, to maybe 5.4% to 0% on 14th gen Intel

GN's video will be pretty damn interesting on these

Although it does feel like the whole point of 14th gen Intel is that new 14700K

[ashen spindle]

Nobody said 54% that was some production workload compared to alder lake with half the e cores

[old marlin]

benchmark accelerators

[cursive summit]

In the twitter thread some shill said 54%

[ashen spindle]

No it’s an intel slide showing it from the comparison against alder lake in productivity

Never compared to RPL

[cursive summit]

Alder lake... that's 12th gen?

Why compare to 12th gen

[ashen spindle]

Same reasons apple compare the m2 to 2018 intel laptops still

[fallen shore]

Does anyone have experience with Gigabyte laptops, because I can only find negative info about it on the internet and I want to hear the positive sides of their laptops.
I wanna know this because the new G6 by Gigabyte looked kinda tempting to buy.

[cursive summit]

From what I read the cheap ones are mostly negative

One was so bad that virtually every single one overheated, but that was some 1000$ one

[woven laurel]

I only heard positive news on the aero series

[cursive summit]

Cheap gigabyte laptops are usually really bad anyways

Looks like it packs a 4050 so bleh

[fallen shore]

I have a budget of like 1400 euro so

Am I better of just buying a MSI laptop or something

[cursive summit]

EU then?

Gaming laptop I am assuming

What display size?

[fallen shore]

I don't really care how big the display is

[cursive summit]

Well if you are ever packing one to carry somewhere, 17.3" tends to be too big for some backpacks

[fallen shore]

I wanted to switch to a laptop with AMD igpu, but I'm mainly a Linux user and Linux is better in general better with Intel

[cursive summit]

That's weird, AMD usually plays well with Linux

[fallen shore]

I'm drivers

I heard Linux is a bit annoying with sometimes

[cursive summit]

Well yeah, you are using Linux

[fallen shore]

Or something related. I don't really remember

[umbral heron]

Somebody said Linux?

Mesa works great with AMD igpus, idk what issues

[ashen spindle]

The only amd issue for cpus would be the fTPM thing but not aware of anything else

[cursive summit]

@fallen shore What are you looking for anyways

Productivity laptop? Gaming laptop?

[fallen shore]

Idk really know tbh, first I wanted a laptop with long battery usage.

[cursive summit]

That sounds like a macbook

[fallen shore]

I don't like Macbooks

[cursive summit]

Or one of those AMD G14s but they aren't cheap nowadays

[fallen shore]

Well I kinda wanted to go for a AMD igpu because the TDP is usually pretty low and you get a lot of performance in return

As far as I know

[cursive summit]

Why iGPU

Do you even need a dGPU?

[fallen shore]

Not really, because I usually do system management on my laptop

[umbral heron]

If you need only productivity laptop go for one of newer ThinkPads, Intel iGPU, battery lasts really long and no problems with Mesa drivers

Or for administration tasks older will do too

[cursive summit]

The LG Gram is not a bad option innit?

[fallen shore]

And I also don't really wanna buy a Lenovo, because in my experience with Lenovo laptops is not that great

[cursive summit]

Good

[fallen shore]

Mostly with BIOS and firmware related stuff

[umbral heron]

Newer Lenovos... sure. Older ones not so much

[cursive summit]

Stop supporting Lenovo is a move I can get behind

[umbral heron]

In the most fucked up BIOS and firmware related stuff HP wins by a landslide

[fallen shore]

I'm using a Lenovo atm, but I need Windows for like everything

[ashen spindle]

But Lenovo is usually the first to leak new sever cpus, I want them to continue doing that

Where are my zen5 leaks Lenovo, hurry up

[old marlin]

[cursive summit]

@fallen shore You in EU since you said euros right?

[fallen shore]

Yeah

[cursive summit]

So, you aren't looking for a gaming laptop then

Considering you said you mostly just want battery life

[fallen shore]

I would be fun to have a dgpu, but it's not needed

[umbral heron]

If not Lenovo than maybe some of the Dell business stuff, if you're going for long battery life

[cursive summit]

I found a modern Gram that's in your price range https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90924397

[raw zephyr]

now get amf and other proprietary crap to work on linux, such a pain

[fallen shore]

I just want a laptop that I can do most stuff with, but it doesn't need to be like the best of the best, because I already have a really good dekstop

[cursive summit]

Gram is basically just business laptops, 1360p is pretty good

Good battery life, good screen

If you need more power I saw this https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90931076

OLED for some reason

13700H is pretty damn good, more powerful than those P-class CPUs

If you want gaming then there's a good discount on the Katana 15 on Amazon rn https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Notebook-i7-12650H-Windows-Keyboard-B12VGK-424/dp/B0BV94KDKJ?refinements=p_36%3A100000-140000%2Cp_n_feature_twenty_browse-bin%3A27388223031

CPU is old, but it packs an RTX 4070

[warm night]

the 2.8k oled panel (at least the one in my laptop, its a samsung panel) is pretty baller

[cursive summit]

Usually it's like 1550 euros

OLED, HDR... is pretty damn amazing for media playback

[warm night]

ye

[reef patrol]

Those prices.

[warm night]

though I'm on linux so no hdr here lol xd

[cursive summit]

I mean, the lad did say 1400 euros max

[umbral heron]

amdgpu-pro supposedly has support for amd's proprietary stuff, still amdgpu is enough for like 90% usage cases

[cursive summit]

Linux has no HDR?

[umbral heron]

Not really

[reef patrol]

Oh no yeah I know. I just get short of breathness just thinking of spending more than 6-700€ on a laptop 😄

[old marlin]

windows has barely functioning HDR

[warm night]

theres like 10 bit colour support and it breaks everything

that's about it

[umbral heron]

Only gamescope compositor has somewhat working HDR

[ashen spindle]

Valve is slowly working on adding it but it’s still not just there

[umbral heron]

Other than that wayland devs are at each others throats about everything

[warm night]

its not really major because im using this for work anyway

was a mistake getting the oled though i am always concerned about burnin now

[old marlin]

it's funny how it needs valve to make linux capable of being a modern desktop os

[ashen spindle]

Take a look at the rtings oled burn in update video, as long as you run the normal refresh cycles you don’t need to worry

[warm night]

yea probably its alright but theres no like pixel shift etc on linux

which is slightly concerning me but we'll see i guess

[ashen spindle]

Wym on Linux, that’s Monitor software not on the os

[warm night]

what

[old marlin]

I don't think any monitor does pixel shift

not like it would really help with a desktop OS

[warm night]

i mean like in the asus app thing it has oled protection stuff and that app doesn't exist on linux obviously

[old marlin]

that should all run on the monitor tho

at least it does with the competitors

[umbral heron]

I'm slowly coming to realization there will be no "Linux desktop year" unfortunately
Thanks to neckbears who are NACKing and denying every single functionality they don't use
like lately with app control over wayland

[warm night]

then maybe im fine

[old marlin]

it will be when valve decides to release a new version of steamos maybe

[ashen spindle]

Oh I mean if you have an oled monitor they have refresh cycles that you can run manually or they do it after x hours when you turn it off

[old marlin]

yea

with my dell it nags me every now and then to run it's pixel refresh

which takes like 2 minutes or something

and then once every 1400 hours or so? iirc

for an hour long thing

[umbral heron]

Yeah, when Valve will make their complete suite of software, going along their single specification, then sure, they're did great with proton, dxvk and vkd3d, now they're doing good job with gamescope, but still...

[warm night]

well if the display does it itself then i guess theres no issues

[old marlin]

it should at least

unless asus has a stupid implementation

[warm night]

possible

[raw zephyr]

yeah it does, but getting it working is such a pain, with nvidia you just install their proprietary drivers and you are ready to roll with everything

[ashen spindle]

That’s why I mean look at the rtings video, they have loess run for like 8 months now on static news cast and that barely does anything as long as the refresh runs

[warm night]

ill check it out when i get out of this lecture i guess

i need to at least somewhat pay attention

[old marlin]

they look a lot bette rin the updated one as well

[ashen spindle]

Yeah

[old marlin]

meanwhile I know people that have issues with burn in on a VA panel

[raw zephyr]

and you gotta use this, otherwise you break everything https://aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase/amdgpu-pro-installer

[old marlin]

need to look what model it is

was some dell 144hz VA ultrawide

S3422DWG

[warm night]

how do you manage burn in on a va panel

[old marlin]

idk, it is a general issue with that model and takes only a few weeks to manifest

[warm night]

ah

[old marlin]

only thing I have on my alienware one is a 16:9 box that looks a little different than the rest of the screen

after almost a year

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/gpd-accuses-amd-of-breaching-contract-by-not-supplying-enough-ryzen-7-7840u-apus-on-time

Oh no...

Anyways

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

Cant even get the headline right…

They said amd is not delivering what their supplier would give them, not a direct sale

[cursive summit]

Well either I'm not getting the whole story right

So their supplier who buys them from AMD didn't give them the right amount of chips

And they blame AMD for that?

Are they sure it's AMD's fault?

[old marlin]

their supplier probably assured them that it was AMDs fault

[cursive summit]

Cause there's a major gap in logic leap between "our supplier violated the agreement" and "AMD breached the contract"

[ashen spindle]

It could be amds fault but this isn’t direct sources for it

[old marlin]

laptop fan sounds like it is dying

dell just indefinetley delayed my repair

and intel xtu keeps not applying and resetting settings

[wheat plume]

Can't wait for SteamOS 3.5

It's currently in preview channel

[wheat plume]

Screen tearing and stutter in game would get to differ

[umbral heron]

Ain't it in OS Beta channel already? I'm using 3.5 since it came out in Beta channel...

[wheat plume]

Is it???

[old marlin]

will there be an official release you can throw on any system now?

[wheat plume]

Idk
I'm gone back to stable since the Dock works a lot better in stable channel
Especially when you have 2 displays hooked up like I do

[wheat plume]

You can throw gamescope onto any system

Which is the main feature behind SteamOS

[umbral heron]

There is an option which separates update channels for Steam client and SteamOS
I'm sitting on Beta from the very start

[wheat plume]

Well
Any AMD GPU system

[wheat plume]

Yeah I know xd
But the dock doesn't work correctly with two displays on anything but stable currently

[cursive summit]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Legion-9i-Gen-8-16IRX8-review-Lenovo-s-most-ambitious-gaming-laptop-yet.758310.0.html

Ah, this monstrosity

With hybrid liquid-air cooling

@old marlin I think we discussed this in depth

[umbral heron]

That may be true, never used more than one connected with simple USB-C -> HDMI adapter xd

[wheat plume]

Oh
You didn't get the dock?

[old marlin]

did we?

imo liquid cooling on laptops is stupid

[cursive summit]

It's the one where they put liquid cooling with air cooling hybrid shit

But the liquid was like, weird or something

[old marlin]

uhhh

possible?

[umbral heron]

Nope, I'm running some random $25 USB-C hub, it works for my needs, maybe I'll get dock once I get a raise in job

[wheat plume]

Aha!

If this works there isn't a reason to get the dock

The one you have probably has more ports too xd

[cursive summit]

Ah yeah

It was basically useless liquid cooling

[wheat plume]

Actually
You may need the official dock to output HDR to a display
Idk though

[umbral heron]

I wish it only had also an ethernet port too, now I have to connect usb3 -> eth to hub, so I have a small cable octopus rsync runs way better with cable than on wi-fi ;-;

[cursive summit]

#🔌│tech message this was only a month ago?

Interesting, thought it was way earlier

[old marlin]

amazing

meanwhile the fan in my laptop is still dying

rattling around a ton

already looked if I can just buy a replacemenent since dell has none

[umbral heron]

And I believe you only need HDMI 2.0/2.1 dock and a good cable for HDR

[wheat plume]

Oh
Fair enough

[old marlin]

but I would have to buy the entire heatsink assembly for like 170€

[pale sigil]

That's cool....

Bluesky lets you host your own data

[umbral heron]

So does Mastodon afaik

[fair gull]

so does irc oh wait

irc was the solution all along

why host data when you can host an IRC

[umbral heron]

If we're talking communication apps it'd be cool if you could host your own Discord server just like TS3 allows to

Sure enough I'd pay for Nitro if I could host my own server and Discord would not sell my data -.-

[raw zephyr]

irc had it all

[umbral heron]

time for irc.wooting.io

[shadow minnow]

IRC can be synced with discord

[ashen spindle]

Lol intel announced 14th gen but no reviews till launch or anything because it’s just the same shit reheated

[old marlin]

yea only difference will be 14700k in cinebench

[ashen spindle]

Yea

[ashen spindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807442045068640296/1163474382270767234/Screenshot_20231016_064931_YouTube.jpg?ex=653fb4f5&is=652d3ff5&hm=9567d8a2cad1619796aeb86a3f64a49177b20a823f5413aa2ac56d7f488541a9&

[abstract obsidian]

Its crazy

Ill be nearly one of the first persons to have it in hands or something

[ashen spindle]

Why that

Are you buying it

[abstract obsidian]

I work with pc’s. I build em

[abstract obsidian]

And that pc with the 2x 4090 needs more threads to drive efficient

[ashen spindle]

Well, people already have the chips in some places so you won’t be the first :p

[abstract obsidian]

It has a i9-13900kf atm

[abstract obsidian]

Sush

I will be one of the first in my country

[ashen spindle]

Workstation for rendering or something?

[abstract obsidian]

That’s something

3D rendering

Sometimes it’s 4k other times it’s 32k

[ashen spindle]

Makes sense then

[abstract obsidian]

Yup

This is how it looks atm

Will have some changes

Cuz the motherboard can’t run 4 sticks with 4800mhz

64x4

Gb

[ashen spindle]

Oh the fun of stable memory, that’s always a challenge

[abstract obsidian]

It is

Cuz i can’t sell pcs with that much ram

It’s so annoying

I’ve used 2 weeks nearly to figure out how to fix it.. but I need another cpu

That only thing is.. the price range is limited

I could get it running with 2x4090 with a threadripper but that’s too much money for the company

[pale sigil]

Gimmi

@abstract obsidian how much is the final bill?

[abstract obsidian]

Uff in dollars? With everything 20000-22000$

[pale sigil]

Dam

Gimmi

[rough osprey]

where is the money going lol

[astral haven]

if you want stable ram, you can go xeon w
its alot cheaper than threadripper at the bottom, and supports more memory

[crisp granite]

maybe 10-12k to components, and that's an extremely generous guess
the rest is just...labour costs

[astral haven]

on the other hand its probably not in the us, so components could be alot more than that

[rough osprey]

ye idk 2x4090s + i9 is below 5k

[astral haven]

in the us

[rough osprey]

and eu

[astral haven]

and a few friendly countries

[crisp granite]

in most of the developed world

[astral haven]

in egypt for example that would solidly be 20k usd equiv

[crisp granite]

Egypt isn't the developed world

it is the undeveloped world
the dedeveloping world

[astral haven]

🤷

still a place where thats a good deal

[crisp granite]

Egypt is a country and it is ruled by idiots

only redeeming thing is Falafel and Ful
which I can get...anywhere in the Levant, like neighbouring Israel

[astral haven]

yet its a place that exists, until we know exactly where diego is, we cant know how bad a deal it is

[young pecan]

Anyone here happen to know of any server hosts that will rent me space in a server with either high speed Ryzen/Threadripper CPUs or an Epyc 9654?

Need 6 nodes in total.

Niche as fuck I know, thought I’d poke here.

[astral haven]

if 7950x3d is good enough, hetzner

[crisp granite]

safe to assume somewhere in europe
considering their pronouns section appears to be plugged with something of a scandinavian flavour

[young pecan]

Hetzner is REALLY expensive. :/

At least for what they give.

[old marlin]

Lol

I can ask my brother if you can wait

Maybe check ovh?

[young pecan]

??? Also needed in like 4 months.

I’m just getting a lot of choice early.

[crisp granite]

and...frankly if I were trying to sell a workstation like that on the Egyptian market or whatever, I'd be getting my components elsewhere
getting them to Egypt in the least costly way possible, and then selling for Egyptian rates

[old marlin]

Ah

Yea can ask him he deals with a ton of datacenters

[young pecan]

Awesome.

Yeah I need to run 6 Talos Linux nodes.

3 workers, 3 controls.

Trying to make everything as redundant as possible.

[old marlin]

Never heard of it

[young pecan]

It’s the best way to run Kubernetes.

[old marlin]

Ah

[young pecan]

Bar none.

Lotta poor lost souls still on Rancher, I feel sadge for them.

Telling you I have been converted to the Holy Land of Kube.

GitOps and Infrastructure as Code. We run Talos, put a single Gitlab agent into it, and then GitOps and Terraform.

There just… isn’t a better choice.

[old marlin]

yea brother says for EU hosting and reliability you are either gonna spend hetzner money or pay multiple hosters for redundancy

[cursive summit]

https://vxtwitter.com/aschilling/status/1713915713591599574/photo/1

What

14700K is literally the only reason that generation even exists lol

Why would they not focus on the main highlight of the whole stack

[ashen spindle]

yeah no reviews before launch because they know its just a waste

[thick elk]

@wheat plume I ended up buying the Ubook X took a while before it shipped but arrived today.
Also me swapped it's ssd with the old 256gb one from my steam deck (don't really need more on it) so here it is running SteamOS until I give it a clean install.

[wheat plume]

Is that the chuwi table you linked a bit ago?

[thick elk]

yea

pretty nice screen, certainly not fast but so far acceptable for light use

next to it my old one that is in fact dog slow and has a much less bright screen

[wheat plume]

Oo :D very nice

SteamOS just worked immediately?

[thick elk]

yes it just boots, it's just linux after all and the chuwi devices don't use any exotic parts so pretty much everything is mainlined

it's it's recovery menu though as I kind of messed up migrating between ssd's on the deck

don't particulary care as standard arch will do

[wheat plume]

Standard arch is better anyway
Having an immutable distro isn't the best for everyday productivity

It's great for the deck though which only needs to game for most people

[astral haven]

having a stable os is pretty useful tho

[thick elk]

Of course, standard arch is better suited for a desktop, just didn't get to that point yet:
now time for the real stuff:

[qlum@CryptArch Downloads]$ sudo cp archlinux-2023.10.14-x86_64.iso /dev/sdc
[sudo] password for qlum:

people make it seem way more difficult than it has to to create a bootable usb, cp works just fine

[wheat plume]

Immutable doesn't really mean stable xd

It just means harder for the user to break

[wheat plume]

Oh...I've always used dd xd never knew cp could

[astral haven]

yep, stable is relative ofc, but immutable tends to be on the more end of the spectrum

[wheat plume]

Yep

[thick elk]

Steam OS is also specifically made for a steam deck, so just randomly using it on some other device does not seem wise

[wheat plume]

It works fine if you have amd or Intel

But in gamescope the TDP setting won't work

[thick elk]

I am not planning to use it for anything I would use steamos for, could very well be I never even install steam on it.

[wheat plume]

Just do a quick archinstall aha

[halcyon moss]

.. That works? Copying an iso to a block device?

[thick elk]

yes that works on linux

Provided the iso includes the partition data

[halcyon moss]

Huh

[thick elk]

dd does not do anything magical as per the arch wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/USB_flash_installation_medium#In_GNU.2FLinux

[astral haven]

heck ye!
60% of parts finalized, unfortunately this isnt the model with the final parts, the rear hatch especially has been majorly changed

yea

maybe they think a skeptical looking thumbnail will make more clicks?

eh people click on what they want to see

for iphones its probably still best to make it look like its gonna be a glowing review

people presumeably want to be skeptical about a solar car so a thumbnail that looks like that probably gets the most clicks

[ashen spindle]

So many of them are literally unreadable

[thick elk]

you got to try something when your refresh really just adds a few mhz and sprinkles in a few e-cores and some cache lower down the stack.

That one has got to be fake?

Sorry for ever insulting AMD's marketing team

[solemn remnant]

lul

[thick elk]

it's not even a one off:

[ashen spindle]

created with new intel™ core

[thick elk]

I definitely send these slides to our lead designer at work, he is going to love it.

[ashen spindle]

lmfao intel newsroom doesnt even have a raptor lake refresh page

[thick elk]

https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2023/client-computing/Intel-Core-14th-Gen-S-Series-Media-Presentation.pdf

[ashen spindle]

I meant the landing page doesnt show it

https://www.intel.de/content/www/de/de/newsroom/home.html

if you dont know it exists you wont find it lol

[thick elk]

That's probably just the german page

[ashen spindle]

ooh it is lmfao

[ashen spindle]

despite the page being in english

[wheat plume]

Can someone tell me why TF you dont have root access to the AVD in Android Studio?????

Google, why do you not allow peope making apps for Android to have access to the root folders?????

[astral haven]

what?
you only get root on a rooted phone?

[wheat plume]

Im in the file manager for my emulated phone in Android Studio and I can only read the files

not edit them

[astral haven]

where exactly?

/Internal storage/
Here?

[astral haven]

yea thats the linux root folder

if you want access to that, root it, magisk i think it is gives you access to that

[wheat plume]

but like.....

why is it not accessible by default

[astral haven]

wait is that even inside the phone itself?

[wheat plume]

to APP DEVELOPERS????

[wheat plume]

YES

[astral haven]

no i mean the actual data

are you sure its not mounting your drive?

[wheat plume]

yeh ths is the device explorer for the phone I have emulated

[astral haven]

again i think this is the root root folder

[wheat plume]

still, for people making apps, you should be given full perms to these folders and files

[astral haven]

no standard android app should have access to those?

you might be able to mess with them from outside the emulator

[ashen spindle]

I think asking stackoverflow/chatgpt/an android dev discord will get you an answer faster than troubleshooting here

[astral haven]

also this^

[wheat plume]

also, the AVD has 2 button navigation, is it possible to get it from there and install it on my phone too? I really liked the 2 button nav gestures but they got removed in Android 10

[astral haven]

2 button?

[astral haven]

interesting, i forgot about that (or maybe didnt have it bc samsung)

[wheat plume]

this was before Google decided to just copy Apple gestures in 10 and beyond

[astral haven]

does google not have 3 button?

[wheat plume]

Yeah, you can use 3 button or gestures

they removed 2 button since 10

Messing around trying to figure out Fragments

I got tabbed shit working :D

[true quest]

finally

[wheat plume]

huh?

[true quest]

nvm didn't read

don't get my hopes up like that

[wheat plume]

oh xd

[astral haven]

this made me think to try out predictive back now that i have android 14 lel

apple left me no options for my work phone so i have to get used to gestures anyways

[wheat plume]

it only works in some apps,funny enough, Reddit supports it but only going from a post back to the main page

settings works too fully

and not much else

[woven laurel]

LANA

[wheat plume]

ARDEN

[woven laurel]

making android aps on linux

sus sus

[wheat plume]

LOL

At least I am not making Android apps on MacOS :')

[astral haven]

im shocked
samsung didnt break it

at least not in the settings app

[woven laurel]

I had both in university

dont have a favorite between ios and android developing

both are absolute disgraceful

💀

[wheat plume]

Hmm, do you only consider Android development disgraceful cause its in Java?

or different reasons?

how extract it??

[woven laurel]

its the MVVM

and

the poor documentation in general

java on its own is really great

I prefer c# more because java is really verbose, but you can create some beautiful backend stuff with java

[wheat plume]

I dislike C#, too many data types for variables .-.

once spent 3 hours trying to figure out why my values I was trying to insert into a database were not being inserted as decimal numbers, but it turns out I was using the wrong data type .-.

was using decimal, should have been using float32 or some shit like that

[ashen spindle]

that is a good thing...

[woven laurel]

if you use a variable it auto assigns the correct datatype

[ashen spindle]

it makes sure you dont end up with a data type you didnt wnat

[woven laurel]

thats why im a bit confused

[ashen spindle]

so yes, a float is what you wanted

aside from that c# is basically java

[wheat plume]

wait no, I was using a float but I had to switch to decimal

i forgot exactly

[mild dome]

I know nothing about C#, but Decimal seems to justify it's own existence by being double the precision of a double

[wheat plume]

double?

[ashen spindle]

decimal is not a double

er, I should read correctly

[woven laurel]

float is a decimal with the difference in bits

[ashen spindle]

decimal is basically for currency and money

[wheat plume]

yeah....

[ashen spindle]

float and double for any other numbers

[wheat plume]

I was using float for money .-.

3 hours wasted on that error

and many changing of the code

cause there was no error, just the data being inserted wrong

[ashen spindle]

literally just ctrl f and just replace all points with the other data type?

[woven laurel]

do you need help with java or c#?

[mild dome]

I was just looking at this table. It's got them bits

[wheat plume]

well, rn I need help getting the 2 button nav APK from this AVD

[ashen spindle]

I think you misunderstanding c# makes you think its a bad thing when its saving you from uncertain inputs

[woven laurel]

come voice share your screen

[ashen spindle]

you just have to specify what you want

but you can still use var it's just bad practice and will end up hurting yourself more than it helps

[wheat plume]

hmm I need to figure out how to use ADB on Android studio onan AVD

cause I know you can use it to connect a real phone instead of using the AVD

but idk how to use it on the AVD directly

[woven laurel]

what do u want to achieve?

[wheat plume]

extract APK

hopefully install it on my phone

[woven laurel]

I see a few videos on youtube

[wheat plume]

got the camera!

gcam

[woven laurel]

good job avanna!

you got this

[wheat plume]

FOUND IT

time to send it to my phoneand hope it installs

Rip

[young pecan]

F to pay respek.

[astral haven]

top loaded wastes space, you can either stack the units, or you can use the top of the units as storage space

aaaand you ruined it

[young pecan]

Truly the life of an Android user.

Boy I can't wait to modify <thing> the way I like! -> fails -> fuck

[astral haven]

well to be fair most users check online rather than just extracting the apk from the debug environment

all of mine update themselves except for vanced

and vanced has an updater tool

oh yea the google camera clones dont update

but they are camera apps

i wish i could use offline music players 😦

but nowdays if you really want high quality and you want autoupdating, just grab stuff off of an app store

yea i wish i had stable enough music tastes to be able to buy music

[young pecan]

None that matter.

It's just Mhz storage after that.

[coarse cloak]

qobuz is nice

[true quest]

let's go

[astral haven]

tbh this is why i use youtube music

[true quest]

this is why i use yt and yt music on mobile browser

[astral haven]

eh mobile browser isnt as good as vanced

[true quest]

once you get used to it, it aint terrible

plus no warning

but maybe it's a sign to get off the platform for a while

i've only gotten these in private browsing

me firefox

[young pecan]

This is legit psychopath behaviour.

[true quest]

https://tenor.com/view/vtuber-hololive-smile-blush-happy-gif-17189882

[zenith silo]

I've gotten it in Canada using ublock

I think I use ublock

[lament obsidian]

is there any helper than can help me with one problem? i just got uwu keypad and am using wootility web but i cant give permission to wootility web to connect the device, can i stream to someone so they can teach

[reef patrol]

#📣│announcements message

You need to use the beta.

[cursive summit]

Just refresh the window

They are trying hard to get me not to adblock

[fallen shore]

Last time I had it with a 5 second timer and then I could close it

[cursive summit]

That one will turn into a permanent one after a set amount of times

[fallen shore]

Bruh

[cursive summit]

I have the permanent one at this point and you can just bypass it by pressing F5

[fallen shore]

Bruh

[cursive summit]

Reloading the window somehow makes it go away

Google can go fuck itself anyways, not buying premium

[fallen shore]

Probably will take like one week for something to show up on tempermonkey or something

I'm already using a age restriction bypass with tempermonkey

Because wtf is Google gonna do with a photo of my ID card

[cursive summit]

Figure out if you are of legal age to watch all that indian porn that's uploaded by the minute on the website

[fallen shore]

YouTube is getting worse after every update. A few weeks ago I needed to turn on watch history otherwise I didn't have a homepage

Something about "we can't make a recommendation for you without watch history turned on"

[cursive summit]

That watch history thing has been like that for a while

If anything that makes me think they actually might not collect that data if you actually chose to opt out of watch history

Since they can't just personalize that experience

[fallen shore]

The most stupid thing is that my YouTube recommendation got worse after turning it on

It's full of trending content I don't watch

[raw zephyr]

https://github.com/user234683/youtube-local

have fun

[cursive summit]

Imagine wanting to watch it anonymously

[fallen shore]

I mean for someone like that's a privacy freak

Even though it's like impossible to have privacy nowadays

[devout raptor]

5 terabytes

[devout raptor]

yt recs are so trash

and the autoplay function always plays some irrelevant video ive either already seen or dont give a flying fuck about

also like

[fair gull]

the fact its written in python already makes me die inside

[devout raptor]

Can I somehow disable youtube shorts

I dont watch this npc shit bro

[fair gull]

see the x at the top right?

[devout raptor]

yep

bruh hidden for 30 days

okay i found an extension to hide them completely

[raw zephyr]

what's the issue?

[fair gull]

🐌

[raw zephyr]

then find or write a different alternative

it's still much faster than normal youtube despite it being written in python

[fair gull]

why i wont use it

[raw zephyr]

i dunno, never understood this, just use python until the speed is an issue

it was designed as a single user app, meaning speed will never be an issue

high performance isn't always worth the trade off of increased time and difficulty in development imo

[latent kiln]

I don't like python personally so I'd use another language even if it's a bit more work

[wheat plume]

Didn't you make a YT music sandbox app? Can't you do that for YouTube too? Xd

[fair gull]

still uses chromium

and i mainly did that to circumvent incompatibility of firefox and ytmusic

i havent devved that for ages nor do i use it anymore since i mainly use ytmusic during work and now i use arc on macos

so no issues anymore

[wheat plume]

issues with YT Music on Firefox??

[umbral heron]

Why not yt-dlp with VLC or mpv?

yt-dlp can stream to video players, does have sponsorblock built-in, can even play only audio stream if you want to just listen to music...

[halcyon moss]

there is actually some quality comedy in there. just.. need to get throught he sleuth of shit first :p

[wheat plume]

I love yt-dlp, use it for streaming my music playlist <3

[pale sigil]

Meanwhile I just use YouTube

Well

On desktop

I've used yt music a lot lately on mobile

[wheat plume]

idk why two major linux youtubers I watch have switched to Blender for video editing... .

babyWOGUe and Das Geek have both switched xd

[pale sigil]

They already like self inflicted pain

They just want more

https://reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/xGs4PftWW2

@plush summit whatcha do

[cursive summit]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/after-chatgpt-disruption-stack-overflow-lays-off-28-percent-of-staff/

Stack Overflow hires people?

Not too sure why you'd need more than... idk, 7 people? For what is basically a forum

[severe phoenix]

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/179x5i4/monitor_lg_oled_evo_c3_42_79859_48_83759_55/

Wow, not bad deals honestly

[vagrant pagoda]

Huh

Ive used Firefox always and never had an issue with gpm or ytm

[fair gull]

the main issue i had was moving tracks in playlists and autogenerated lists

[vagrant pagoda]

Sure it isn't your ad block or something?

[fair gull]

i never used adblock

and idk how that would influence a pure JS/css thing of moving things

[vagrant pagoda]

Other than ytm being completely shit compared to gpm, never had an issue like that

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2iKa3ax-uI

[vagrant pagoda]

Ad blockers modify and block JS and CSS elements to function lol

[fair gull]

well i didnt use any and noscript was always completely whitelisted/disabled at some point

i also tried private windows to ensure its not addons/extensions

[vagrant pagoda]

Odd

[fair gull]

basically any and all clicks on the tracklist kept moving it to the top

moving around tracks also did

[vagrant pagoda]

I also mainly use ytm desktop on desktop for physical media controls

[fair gull]

well theres no official desktop app and thats why i made my own small app

[vagrant pagoda]

The aftermarket one is goid

ytmdesktop.app/

[fair gull]

oh it went open source

i remember that website but didnt use it due to lack of sourcecode

[vagrant pagoda]

It always has been.

[fair gull]

odd i remember that exact website and app. and about 3 or 4 yrs ago i couldnt find a single trace of source code

[vagrant pagoda]

Maybe not linked readily on the site

[old marlin]

fucking 3 times the power

[umbral heron]

Oh, 14gens benchmarks are in

[old marlin]

3 times the power for 2% less avg fps

[latent kiln]

AMD is just better power-to-fps wise

[vagrant pagoda]

You should see factorio

I saw a 7950x3d bench for it the other day

And you'd think Intel was laptop parts

[old marlin]

factorio is an absolute extreme case

[latent kiln]

I heard the 7950x3d is less performant than 7800x3d for gaming

[umbral heron]

[cursive summit]

There are people that play nothing but that game

[latent kiln]

I play Satisfactory :D

[cursive summit]

Also prolly Satisfactory, dyson sphere program lol

[latent kiln]

my i7 6700k struggles with satisfactory

[cursive summit]

Don't want to upgrade yet?

[latent kiln]

I do

I just hate GPU prices

[cursive summit]

I read somewhere that 7800X3D dips below 300$ nowadays

At which point 5800X3D starts to make less sense

[vagrant pagoda]

Depends on the game but yeah

[cursive summit]

Which is insane tbf, 5800X3D was a hard-recommend

[vagrant pagoda]

7800x3d being single cc'd can't have l3 miss

[cursive summit]

AM5 is pretty cool now

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah ddr5 is cheap now too

I'm so close to getting one

But I need new gpu

[latent kiln]

buuut gpu prices are still fucked lol

[vagrant pagoda]

1080ti sli is hanging in by threads

[latent kiln]

i got a gtx 1070

[umbral heron]

Wow, DDR5 is close to DDR4 now
Maybe it's time to upgrade CPU and mobo...

[vagrant pagoda]

Yep

My GPU issue is that I run 5x1 span

[ashen spindle]

Im waiting for zen5

Also the factories numbers are a bit misleading

[cursive summit]

Not really?

What price are you buying at

500$ is pretty alright rn

[latent kiln]

i am way above that

I want more than 12 GB VRAM too

I want a 4k monitor

[cursive summit]

RX 7800XT isn't bad you know

[ashen spindle]

Above 60 updates it doesn’t change how the game runs and larger maps don’t fit in cache of x3d so in any case where it actually matters it doesn’t really offer a benefit

[cursive summit]

500$, 16GB of VRAM

[vagrant pagoda]

It's not stock that is the issue

Higher stock ups means more ups modded or big base

[latent kiln]

I did consider the RX 7900 XTX. But Nvidia still has the better tech

[vagrant pagoda]

Same with rimworld

Getting 60 ticks at rimworld stock sucks ass

[cursive summit]

Eh, then the only GPU that makes sense for you is the 4080

[latent kiln]

Yeah

[cursive summit]

Or the rumoured upcoming 4080Ti

Which apparently will have same msrp as 4080

[vagrant pagoda]

Because as soon as you mod or get high pawn count it tanks

[latent kiln]

yup

[vagrant pagoda]

I went 4790k-5600x-5800x3d

[latent kiln]

I could just say fuck it and buy a 4090 lmao (naaahh)

[cursive summit]

Not a bad shout tbf

[vagrant pagoda]

And 4790 to 5600 tripled my rimworld tps

And 5600 to 5800x3d doubled it again

[latent kiln]

4090 is just craaaazy expensive

[umbral heron]

I want to upgrade my 3600X, still good for games, but unfortunately not for work, I need more cores ;-;

[cursive summit]

4090s are likely to be in increasingly high demand as rumouredly Nvidia is producing less

So if you get one... not a bad purchase in a way

For productivity that is

Gaming is lol

[vagrant pagoda]

Nvidia also announced yearly GPU refresh

[latent kiln]

the asus strix variant is still 16k DKK

[vagrant pagoda]

Means 5090 would be sooner than later

[cursive summit]

Denmarken kronen?

[latent kiln]

2250 USD

[vagrant pagoda]

Which would also make sense that 4090 is ramping down

[cursive summit]

Wtf is a DKK

[latent kiln]

Danish currency yes

[cursive summit]

Ah a danish krone

@reef patrol there's more of you ducks

[vagrant pagoda]

As the 4090 is over year old.

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

Hahahaha

Good one, the refresh is not happening for consumer if it even is happening on data center

[cursive summit]

Still not sure we should expect 5090 before 2025 lol

4000 series is selling just fine

[latent kiln]

If I buy a 4090 STRIX I get an ASUS keyboard as well lmao

But I'd rather use the Wooting that I am getting

[umbral heron]

I wonder if it's better to wait for zen 5 or go for 7950X/X3D...

[latent kiln]

Is zen 5 going to be AM5?

Then you could upgrade later

[umbral heron]

I have AM4 still

[latent kiln]

Does 7950X work with AM4?

[umbral heron]

Nope, it's AM5

I'm swapping CPU, mobo and RAMs

[latent kiln]

Yeah okay. My point was you can get AM5 and 7950X and then upgrade CPU later

[umbral heron]

If I got 7950X I'd probably then wait for Zen 6, if it'll be still supported by AM5

Thankfully I don't need new GPU, 6700XT is more than enough for me
Still, 6 cores for working on VMs is a little small, so I want to upgrade sooner than later

[vagrant pagoda]

If you're going to upgrade later

Get a 7800x3d

Best for now

[ashen spindle]

Depends how long you want to wait, zen5 is likely coming first half 2024

[umbral heron]

7800x3d is 8c/16t, I'd rather have at least 12c, because I'm running 3-4 VMs at a time at least ;-;

[ashen spindle]

My personal guess is CES announcement but nothing concrete obviously yet

[umbral heron]

Ok then, I will wait for CES then

[cursive summit]

7900X3D exists

[ashen spindle]

yeah but dual CCD just is a pain

[cursive summit]

We aren't getting any new GPUs anytime soon, sadly

[ashen spindle]

what does gpu matter for this

[cursive summit]

.

I doubt the lad is doing a partial refresh

[ashen spindle]

certainly seems like it would work just fine

[cursive summit]

Different people lol

[ashen spindle]

oh I mean you responding without a direct reply made me think it was about this upgrade xD

also, memes!