On it on last generation cpus
#🔌│tech
astral haven
🤷 compared to what ddr5 will eventually be in like 3 years, all ddr5 sucks
time will tell what platform made the correct decisions
for now tho yea intel ddr5 perf is better
empty wren
🤷 compared to what ddr5 will eventually be in like 3 years, all ddr5 sucks
time...
Lol alright(sorry for the ping)
thick elk
Your account has more value than mine it seems:
That being said I am sure I paid less than the lowest price for a decent portion.
thick elk
For me it has been a rate of skipping more and more monts from taking 3-5 in the beginning to probably 1 or two a year now.
astral haven
Lol alright(sorry for the ping)
im actually happy to be pinged if its related to me
thick elk
But the initial humble indie bundles still count for something.
astral haven
after 2 years of watching, and always finding at least 2 titles im happy to have i gave up and just let it ride
thick elk
For me it's mosty the matter is are there at least 2 I would actually play or one I would play soon that has never hit that low a price.
the answer has mostly been no lately.
astral haven
i probably should pay more attention now, there have been some that i got the email saying your games are ready and they were all not interesting
empty wren
Is that on a crt
final flame
yes
empty wren
Mm yes static shock tv
final flame
looks surprisingly good, I don't know the actual resolution but I'm running it at 1024x768
empty wren
A shame there are no new crts
final flame
wouldn't be surprised it it's in actuality like 240i
I'm also using a cheap walmart hdmi to rca converter
probably would help getting a better one
empty wren
By rca do you mean the yellow red black or blue cable
final flame
yes
final flame
A shame there are no new crts
would love to have a 1080i crt
astral haven
1280x1024 trinitron best
gusty nexus
Why there's no new company that tries to make new crt ?
empty wren
So basically what you are saying is it needs noise cancelling
final flame
yes
smoky frigate
wouldn't be surprised it it's in actuality like 240i
it's probably a standard ntsc signal, 480i
HD crts were weird, they existed for such a brief period of time it feels like
final flame
yea It has a ton of interlacing
smoky frigate
interlacing is natural for these televisions, no harm in having it
final flame
it's just really noticable on anything that's a still image
I managed to get the colors to look good just messing around with the tv's osd
reef patrol
interlacing is natural for these televisions, no harm in having it
Hard disagree.
smoky frigate
looks alright to me
reef patrol
Resolution is halved, since you're only getting half a refresh every scan
smoky frigate
progressive you get half resolution as well, just with thick ass scanlines that you never had outside of console/arcade games
reef patrol
What kind of weird ass television are you using xD
reef patrol
Maybe not where you lived, but uhh
smoky frigate
Maybe not where you lived, but uhh
well maybe you were raised in a TV studio, I dunno
reef patrol
Which years are we talking here? Because by the time I had a PS1, they were not uncommon at all here.
final flame
if the resolution were higher I'd imagine the chromatic aberration would be less noticable
smoky frigate
they can all do 240p, but that's a dirty hack and not technically a supported standard
final flame
and the interlacing would be less noticable
yes I'm running it through display over usb on a dock
smoky frigate
the converter you have probably pulls it all down to 480 interlaced, input res/frame rate won't matter
final flame
yea I should probably get a better converter
the one I'm using is just the generic one from walmart
smoky frigate
there are older AMD cards that can output 240p, you'll have to get a specially made cable to connect it to an RGB-capable set
it's an arse and a half, not really worth doing unless for boredom
final flame
I mean at some point I may want to make a Crt setup
but at this point I'm just doing it for fun, and if I ever want to play something from the gamecube or n64
but by that point I'd be using trinitrons
smoky frigate
based. I used to own a PVM 2950, but I gave it away because I didn't like the image lel
now I use a 1993 sony consumer TV set, that thing is amazing! it eats any broken signal I throw at it
most fun I probably had with a console on an old TV set was with a Wii. easy to mod, and it's the last console I can think of with native 240p output
good emulators, great composite signal, can watch movies with it too
and it's cheap!
final flame
nice
smoky frigate
oh, and if I remember correctly, you could watch stuff in 240p res on some wii media player app. but I'll have to check whenever I hook it up again
ashen spindle
only the 5th or so time someone posted it for lana 
smoky frigate
that was definitely the case, as of a decade ago..
thick elk
I feel like this is indeed mostly a solved issue by now. Flatpaks mostly work for those usescases, on steam you have the steam linux runtime which works mostly fine. And for the more popular open source packages it's not the developer who packages it for distro's, it's the distro's that manage that themselves.
astral haven
people also forget that linux runs android and chromeos, both of which have mostly resolved those problems as well in their own ways, the purists just dont like them because they arent GNU themselves...
thick elk
The linux desktop is the relevant context. It was never a technical limitation, just one of distribution model.
smoky frigate
took a long ass time to get solved. I quite like appimage myself. just download and run, no need to install another package manager
thick elk
The main reason it took so long is that there really are not a lot of people developing on the desktop side. Valve with a few people hired managed to make big strides on KDE Plasma and even then compared to the other major operating systems the desktop side has fairly few resources.
astral haven
The linux desktop is the relevant context. It was never a technical limitation, ...
sure but i use dex as a desktop quite frequently (samsungs android desktop interface)
and i have twice as many chromeos devices on my desk as macos ones (2 vs 1 lel)
ashen spindle
you know what a filesystem is you already know more than the average user so the comparison doesnt really work
people use phones so much they dont even know what a folder is now
astral haven
sure but more people use linux on desktops via chrome or android than run it with a DE
smoky frigate
they can only express file storage in terms of tiktoks and clouds
astral haven
also im pretty sure everyone knows what a folder is, its what your apps go in when you drag them on top of each other 😛
smoky frigate
also yeah, orders of magnitude more android users than desktop linux users. technically still linux users tho
astral haven
yea the point is desktop tho
yes
they are part of the X ecosystem
but they are not using any of the openly available unix kernels
and its definetly not linux
smoky frigate
is sony still shipping a BSD-based OS on their consoles?
ashen spindle
yes
thick elk
Pretty much everything except for xbox and windows is unix based nowadays
switch os is also bsd based
astral haven
except for the ones that use ipads now lel
smoky frigate
I once saw a digital scale that ran a 90s copy of windows CE. that was surreal
astral haven
which means back to bsd
ashen spindle
on something like a switch or ps you dont really interact with the os it's basically just a hub for games, store and like a picture or video app
so not really relevant for desktop usecase comparisons
astral haven
^
and thats the thing
linux makes a good kernel
but you should build your operating system in a blob on top of that
the linux kernel is a hardware interface for software
using it for more than that is expecting too much
smoky frigate
sure, but I suppose calling it linux is to reduce all these distributions with their silly names down to their common denominator
thick elk
Kernel space for most uses if you were to start fresh there are really only two options linux as a default, and bsd based if you really do not want it to be open source, such as for locked down game consoles.
Windows only exists because it already existed
astral haven
or xen
thick elk
A microsoft starting fresh with a desktop would probably have used linux as a base
smoky frigate
oh totally
astral haven
they are at the moment at least in the cloud
the new self hosted azure servers are a linux distro
(if im remembering correctly)
smoky frigate
the cool thing about windows is its crazy compatibility
astral haven
yep
thick elk
It's pretty much vital for it's existance.
smoky frigate
other than that, and lots of stuff relying on it, I wonder why they keep it going
astral haven
reddit confirms, cant find better sources
but Azure stack HCI is the name of the new Microsoft self hosted cloud OS, and its linux kernel running KVM
i would not be shocked if microsoft transitioned from hyper-v to linux kvm for the windows hypervisor
and if you have your windows properly secured, it will be running in a hypervisor
crimson wigeon
So the subsystem for linux will be linux running a linux vm, nice
young pecan
A microsoft starting fresh with a desktop would probably have used linux as a ba...
Maybe.
crimson wigeon
Anyway probably not, the monolithic kernel design is pretty bad when it comes to supporting cruddy new hardware, manufacturers hate having to share code
astral haven
oh if all of the windows code in the world got deleted, and we managed to recover, microsoft would not bother making their own kernel definetly
young pecan
Honestly I doubt they'd use the Linux kernel if recreating Windows was the goal. Or at least I doubt it'd remain the Linux kernel, a good starting posisition it is.
astral haven
they definetly wouldnt use the linux kernel as it is used in most distros ofc
crimson wigeon
Microkernel plz
astral haven
however using it like its used in android or chromeos?
4sure
young pecan
Tbh the compatibility of Windows is actually kinda crazy, for the most part it puts other OSes to utter shame since Win11 will happily run XP code or even DOS code because WoW is insane.
crimson wigeon
Only 32 bit can run DOS stuff
young pecan
Nope. Windows on Windows lets you run 32 bit code in a 64 bit OS.
That's how you get Zork working on Win11.
young pecan
Ah I got confused lmao.
ashen spindle
tehcnically we don't really know what the apple kernel is till its fully reversed xD
young pecan
Yeah so you can, it's just not braindent easy like 32 bit.
But the fact that it's even doable is impressive.
astral haven
and thats not really the impressive part imo
the more impressive part is that you can get graphics working (for example)
or sound
smoky frigate
Tbh the compatibility of Windows is actually kinda crazy, for the most part it p...
the biggest jaw-hitting-desk moment for me was when the uber-shitty directX 3.0 port of UFO Enemy Unknown ran on win10 for me, when it would historically refuse to start on anything past windows 98
young pecan
the biggest jaw-hitting-desk moment for me was when the uber-shitty directX 3.0 ...
I mean not only this but you can launch like 98 and other super legacy system utilities and they'll just work in Win11.
astral haven
by that definition, windows and linux would also be hybrid
young pecan
Task Manager from Vista on Win11 will work flawlessly until you put more than 8 CPU cores into a system.
Literally did not miss a step.
smoky frigate
I mean not only this but you can launch like 98 and other super legacy system ut...
to me, that meant that someone went in and made a compatibility profile for XCOM for windows 95... in the year 2018-ish
astral haven
more impressively, the largest compatibility issues with a 25 year old chemical modelling program my mom used was attaching the floppy it came on to the pc
smoky frigate
so the only microkernel in some use then is.. Hurd and AmigaOS I guess?
astral haven
depends on your definitions
but anything that says its HCI should probably fit your definition
if you say no then I guess its just a few rare devices?
but if you say yes, then xen and hyper-v definetly are, and linux can be depending on how its used
smoky frigate
according to wikipedia, minix uses a microkernel. have an Intel processor? congratulations, you're running a microkernel in your mainboard! it even has a web server
astral haven
yes and no
it is the chipset that runs ME for one
and 2, its not being used as a microkernel there, its being used as a psuedo RTOS
smoky frigate
oh, okay. no dice there. the search for a microkernel in widespread use goes on
astral haven
again tho it depends more on your definition than the actual thing
its just like risc for cpus
smoky frigate
so why is it something that people online are preoccupied with lately? sounds like a fad to me
astral haven
it sounds great, theres nothing theoretically wrong with it, and people dont like the current stuff
its only a fad if it ends up not working out in hindsight
the problem is there were things practically wrong with it (even if in theory they are solvable, doesnt mean its been done)
crimson wigeon
Fuchsia, those Google Nest Hub thingies seem pretty popular and it claims to be microkernel
astral haven
sure but how do they define microkernel...
like with a bad enough definition, you could call windows a microkernel even tho that obviously shouldnt be included
final flame
it's probably a standard ntsc signal, 480i
Checked online and yea everything I'm seeing is 480i, but overall the image is quite blurry, not sure ifits the converter boxes quality or it's because the TV needs a refocus
For example the context menu text is completely unreadable at 100% scale, basically all text that isn't subtitle size is blurred out
Could also just be a limitation of composite video from what I'm reading
proven furnace
Does anyone know how to change voltage values to the USB ports on a motherboard
astral haven
your usb ports will either put out 5 volts or what the device requests if it is PD
the only way to change the voltage is to have the connected device request it
mild dome
Or by routing mains through it like a mad lad
proven furnace
oh so im not doing that lol
proven furnace
Y'all know how to change the firmware off the beta?
reef patrol
Y'all know how to change the firmware off the beta?
Factory reset it using a stable version of Wootility
smoky frigate
Checked online and yea everything I'm seeing is 480i, but overall the image is q...
it should not be unreadable, but as you said, it could be the cheapo converter. I'd try a console before doing focus adjustments
composite video quality depends, but it's rarely that bad. check out S-video if you're unhappy with composite, it's supported on a lot of sets and looks a lot better
there used to be a CRT discord ran by some 4chan folx, who had much more technical knowledge than I do. maybe it is still around, they know how to get into service menus and shit
cursive summit
These are the people so many of you hold to high authority?
This would be interesting though
MSRP supposedly same as 4080
hasty thunder
Does anyone know how to change voltage values to the USB ports on a motherboard
usually the motherboard itself adjusts the voltage of the port i.e. USB-C port to the necessary voltage. HOWEVER! There's a limit to it
so read your Motherboard's manual
smoky frigate
https://vxtwitter.com/9550pro/status/1710495198701359181
amd fanboys malding
ashen spindle
Nah AFMF has its issues but so does frame gen and DF(at least some people on the team) really like to slurp team green
cursive summit
Nah AFMF has its issues but so does frame gen and DF(at least some people on the...
hasty thunder
honestly, nGreedia is just overpriced for what they deliver and after several issues now with my 6800XT i'm honestly considering to switch to NoVideo again...
ashen spindle
That doesn’t change that frame gen on Nvidia has the same issues for input lag and all
cursive summit
Nvidia are always a good buy once the next generation releases 
RTX 4070 being 700$ I cannot comprehend
smoky frigate
I hate their business but can't fault their products tbh
hasty thunder
Nvidia are always a good buy once the next generation releases <:havo:9758216134...
that's what bothers me the most about them
cursive summit
But I can't say I want to buy AMD either
It's just waiting until next gen releases and old cards get cheaper
ashen spindle
You can make those findings though without being biased towards team green as much as DF are
hasty thunder
i mean the 3080 became pretty much obsolete before the 40 series even launched, due to its 10 GB of VRAM
ashen spindle
I also went from a 6800 to a 4090 but dear god frame gen is shit to use
cursive summit
I will kindly disagree quin, methinks frame gen is incredible
smoky frigate
3080 12gb exists, I have one, it is indeed 12gb
ashen spindle
It will be great in future versions
hasty thunder
everything that requires upscaling is shit, let's be real here
cursive summit
i mean the 3080 became pretty much obsolete before the 40 series even launched, ...
Solder on extra 
ashen spindle
It’s horrible in it’s current options
cursive summit
I will again disagree, I think DLSS3 is perfectly usable in current iteration
And I did use it and I quite like it
hasty thunder
instead of aiming for native resolutions nVidia relies too much on shit like DLSS and Frame Gen, which is a bummer
ashen spindle
If your are someone who can’t feel input lag or have base fps above 100 sure it’s useable
smoky frigate
is the lag noticeable at around 240hz?
cursive summit
Yeah I don't suffer from input lag and I'm a "competitive gamer"
hasty thunder
is the lag noticeable at around 240hz?
100 ms input lag is definitely noticable
cursive summit
Isn't input lag about the same as frame time?
With reflex and stuff DLSS3 is perfectly usable with no meaningful input lag
ashen spindle
instead of aiming for native resolutions nVidia relies too much on shit like DLS...
The idea is that frame gen can make more frames when you are cpu bound which is great since the gpu otherwise can’t really increase its fps if it sits idle half the time
So that’s a good idea in theory just not quite there yet
Yeah but now compare it to using reflex without frame gen and you have double the lag again
cursive summit
I would still argue that it's not AMD or Nvidia that's at fault why we can't have good universal framerates in every game
But game engines
Why can't Unreal Engine rework its pipeline to render inputs and game render separately
ashen spindle
But doesn’t change that DF has some people that just seem to be on nvidias payroll
smoky frigate
looks more like a change of perspective to me
they don't call either technology extra performance anymore
wheat plume
How do I use a recycler view in Android Studio?????
smoky frigate
cause AMD technology is consistently not as good, considering nvidia is sitting on money printers that's perfectly acceptable
cursive summit
How do I use a recycler view in Android Studio?????
cursive summit
cause AMD technology is consistently not as good, considering nvidia is sitting ...
Well that's just nvidia copium
Me overspending on team green surely buys me more
smoky frigate
there is nothing to cope about lol
ashen spindle
You can come to that conclusion without DFs views that change like RT was great then saying before ray reconstruction RT was unusable etc.
smoky frigate
viewpoints tend to change as technology becomes passé
ashen spindle
Ok what about technology then, battaglia had in one Video how Nvidia does RT better because they shave a larger L2 cache than amd which is BS because they are basically the same ist just called differently
cursive summit
They are just coping that DLSS3 takes time to implement so will have limited adoption, while AMD figured out a driver solution for nearly all games 
Ngl AFMF is pretty interesting, I should look into a GPU upgrade
6750XT any good nowadays?
ashen spindle
Would not want to use it on a lower end card lol
cursive summit
Best I could look into is a 4060Ti, god forbid, or a 6800XT
Not paying more than 500$
So I guess 7800XT is an option, maybe
smoky frigate
Ok what about technology then, battaglia had in one Video how Nvidia does RT bet...
uh, fair if true I guess
hasty thunder
Best I could look into is a 4060Ti, god forbid, or a 6800XT
the 6800XT is actually quite solid
cursive summit
I would look into the 7800XT instead cause of HYPR-RX
But I feel sad that 7800XT loses out in perf to 6800XT constantly
hasty thunder
yep... I was hyped for the 7800XT as well, but AMD disappointed me this time
cursive summit
3065?
GPU situation is in a weird limbo rn
It feels weird to buy last gen, but current gen sucks when it comes to AMD
Nvidia is where last gen gets no good features but current gen is wildly overpriced
So arguably it's an even worse situation
smoky frigate
guess you'll have to wait. I was looking at the sapphire 6950XT Pure before the opportunity to get a PC with a 3080 12gb for cheap came up
cursive summit
Considering Radeon 8000 comes out in Q1 2024 it's worth waiting, yes
hasty thunder
o.o
ashen spindle
But also no high end so meh
ashen spindle
It’s from the same people who say H1 launch so take your options lmfao
cursive summit
Well I take Q1 new high end options launch so, I take my options
hasty thunder
It was rumored that AMD won't launch a high end GPU with the next generation, however, i don't think they can retreat so easily
given how people gobbled down the 3090 and 4090 they better deliver a high end GPU
ashen spindle
Oh I also hope it’s wrong
cursive summit
I don't see much bad in another RX 5000 series type of situation, I think they did that really well
But I don't think the leaks were true and 8900XT is a thing
ashen spindle
The people sadly make compelling reasons why it’s till rdna5 that we won’t get a big stick
hasty thunder
But I don't think the leaks were true and 8900XT is a thing
8900XTX*
ashen spindle
Nah navi36 is canned and a xtx refresh isn’t doing much
hasty thunder
they should've honestly called it a 7900XT and the 7900XT a 7800XT instead
ashen spindle
Eh marketing is whatever there
cursive summit
they should've honestly called it a 7900XT and the 7900XT a 7800XT instead
Indeed that is what should have happened
hasty thunder
on the other hand another insane price climb from 700 to 1k for a x800XT would make people mad at first
cursive summit
on the other hand another insane price climb from 700 to 1k for a x800XT would m...
Oh people would be absolutely pissed at that
I think AMD this generation did lose significant market share, no?
hasty thunder
but the 7800XT as it is rn was disappointing
cursive summit
Regardless of Nvidia's greed, they are doing really well
I hope AMD try to outdo the competition in value and asking price even more so than rn
ashen spindle
They won’t
hasty thunder
I think AMD this generation did lose significant market share, no?
kinda, the 7800XT for 500 bucks was an absolute steal for people clinging to their RTX 20 and AMD 5k series
ashen spindle
Who needs more marketshare if you just get it by selling at a loss
Amd isn’t doing it for the gamer they are doing it for the investor
cursive summit
@ashen spindle would subscription hardware make any sense for GPUs?
Sell GPUs at 80% of hardware price and the rest for drivers
hasty thunder
Amd isn’t doing it for the gamer they are doing it for the investor
so does NoVideo
cursive summit
Kinda like printers do nowadays
hasty thunder
it wouldn't make sense at all
cursive summit
You get printer hardware for basically a bargain but you pay for pages
You get PC hardware for basically a bargain but you pay for subscription to use it
That would be fine, no?
ashen spindle
Uhh I hope it never makes sense because then people own even less stuff
cursive summit
Partly cause they can, partly hardware costing more, I guess
hasty thunder
people cracked it even without the studio drivers in less than 2 days
cursive summit
Idk I would buy a 7900XTX for 500$ or so, and then pay like 20$ a month to use it
I think that would be reasonable
hasty thunder
isn't there a website where you can rent stuff anyways?
i think it's called hoover or something
ashen spindle
You can already just pay in installments but both versions need to make sense for the seller money wise
hasty thunder
ngl, renting stuff instead of a subscription makes more sense imo
abstract swallow
Des français ?
cursive summit
Des français ?
English, come on
hasty thunder
abstract swallow
English, come on
French
cursive summit
You won't find anyone here that speaks francais, bud
hasty thunder
cursive summit
ngl, renting stuff instead of a subscription makes more sense imo
Not for AMD though
AMD would not offer rental services
hasty thunder
you don't need them anyways, there are 3rd parties out there that allow you to do so
cursive summit
If AMD sell you hardware to cover the procurement costs and THEN offer you a subscription to use it for profits, is that a bad idea?
reef patrol
<@150712028217081866> would subscription hardware make any sense for GPUs?
Sounds like a great way to create more ewaste
reef patrol
Outside of office hours? Always.
Online status doesn't do much, when you're constantly checking in quickly every few minutes anyway
hasty thunder
ah yes, the typical discord addiction
reef patrol
thick elk
I don't think a subscription / rent of gpu's would make much sense.
The people who are most willing to go down that route have the hardest time paying, and actually enforcing the terms is not the greatest thing ever.
Greed is not the only reason missed payments have a lot of interest, actually getting people to pay costs money.
Besides we already have ways to pay in installments from the retailers side which is the most acceptable way of doing things.
In online software it's much easier as you can just cut-off access.
halcyon moss
Tell that to Amazon or Google :p
wheat plume
I wonder can you can reprogram a USB dongle?
My other wireless mouse is too tier garbage and I wonder could I use the dongle for something else?
In the Plus side...that mouse had 2 AAA batteries in it
So I could try the AAA battery mod on my G305 now xdd
Is there a chance this mod can break the mouse??
digital cliff
no
ashen spindle
devout raptor
guys what yall think of the deepcool ak620 vs dark rock pro 4 vs nhud15?
im thinking of getting and aircooler and the ak620 seems worth it
ashen spindle
what cpu
devout raptor
5600x
ashen spindle
get a peerless assassin
pale sigil
I agree
old marlin
yea all of them are massive overkill for that cpu lol
ashen spindle
half price and does the same
ashen spindle
yeah but your cpu doesnt product much heat
devout raptor
i thought its in the same price bracket
pale sigil
Best purchase I've made in years
old marlin
ak620 beat that thing
costs like 2-3 times as much tho
devout raptor
yeah but your cpu doesnt product much heat
true, but im also looking for some good aesthetics and I want my build to be quiet
also like
old marlin
I mean it will still be quiet
ashen spindle
I mean if you care about looks then you go what looks best for you
old marlin
the 5600x just is not that much of a load
devout raptor
for future reference would it be enough for like a 7600x or even a ryzen 7
pale sigil
I was extremely impressed how quiet it was
old marlin
if you wanna buy for looks why as kother people
pale sigil
There's a white version too
old marlin
the ryzen 7000x cpus are not really coolable anyways 
pale sigil
And RGB if that's your style
ashen spindle
yes it's working fine even for high end cpus
old marlin
you are basically always limited by the IHS
devout raptor
if you wanna buy for looks why as kother people
i dont wanna buy anything just for the looks
devout raptor
And RGB if that's your style
im going for an rgbless
old marlin
so a pa120 and a 420mm aio will perform the same essentially
pale sigil
im going for an rgbless
Good
ashen spindle
devout raptor
huh whys the rgb version the cheapest😂
pale sigil
But for real, I was blown away by the assassin, I was going to go noctua till I was pointed out.
devout raptor
Seems better than peerless, same price
things pretty darn cheap
old marlin
cheapest pa120 here atm is 40€
pale sigil
Tbf I paid £45 for mine
ashen spindle
ok why is the toms article linking to bad prices lmfao
cursive summit
ok why is the toms article linking to bad prices lmfao
Get fucked 
old marlin
also there are a ton of variations
devout raptor
I need a cooler that will fit the nr200p in the future
old marlin
iirc the frost tower was one of them?
cursive summit
I need a cooler that will fit the nr200p in the future
You'd need to tell us specific clearance
Cause that depends on GPU, PSU at times, fans, etc
devout raptor
You'd need to tell us specific clearance
155m for the vented panel
cursive summit
155mm?
pale sigil
155m for the vented panel
Big boi
devout raptor
peerless assassin is 157mm
cursive summit
So, it's 15.5cm
pale sigil
cursive summit
devout raptor
oof phantom is 154mm
devout raptor
<@1032302342080581652> https://pangoly.com/en/compatibility/cooler-master-master...
ahh thanks
cursive summit
Seems nearly anything might be compatible
ARCTIC Freezer Xtreme seems good?
Relatively cheap
devout raptor
Seems nearly anything might be compatible
except all the mentioned coolers so far😭
cursive summit
Well yeah beefy tower coolers won't fit to most ITX cases
But there are some solid ones
ARCTIC Freezer Xtreme, Noctua NH-D9L, Scythe Shuriken 2 - 3
devout raptor
ARCTIC Freezer Xtreme seems good?
that thing is ancient
cursive summit
I'd prolly pick the Scythe
devout raptor
cursive summit
Scythe's been releasing pretty good ones
Scythe Shuriken 2-3 are some of the best ITX compatible coolers anyways
That aren't water
devout raptor
ARCTIC Freezer Xtreme, Noctua NH-D9L, Scythe Shuriken 2 - 3
scythe not available anywhere
cursive summit
U.S?
devout raptor
EU
cursive summit
Ah, Finland
devout raptor
hmm well eitherway I dont even have an itx buld atm so idk why im thinking so far ahead lol
devout raptor
https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-endwalker-final-fantasy14-aviriia-gif-24583685
ahh danke
quick question tho, is an Arctic liquid freezer better than a dark rock pro 4?
or an NHD-15
cursive summit
Liquid Freezer II?
devout raptor
yeah that
cursive summit
Afaik LF2 is better than any air cooler
devout raptor
oh is that so
cursive summit
Not the best in water, but better than any air
devout raptor
i wouldnt mind getting that either tbf
pale sigil
Aio coolers suck though
cursive summit
Great value though
cursive summit
Aio coolers suck though
Not Arctic ones
pale sigil
They all do
ashen spindle
wait for the release and look at the review?
devout raptor
Aio coolers suck though
i have a coolermaster ml240r and the fans have horrible oscillation at 1200rpm
cursive summit
They all do
Well you swallow
ashen spindle
but it wont change much, the 14900k is basically the 13900k
doesnt matter
its a like for like comparison
cursive summit
@devout raptorI see that NR20P seems to support 280mm AIO's
devout raptor
<@1032302342080581652>I see that NR20P seems to support 280mm AIO's
yeah it does
cursive summit
So I'd get the Liquid Freezer II 280mm
devout raptor
im coming to that conclusion too
devout raptor
I was planning on getting p12 max fans for my case too
so maybe p14maxes for the aio
thick elk
I personally have a liquid freezer 420, great cooler, though very much overkill for a 7800x3d
devout raptor
ah a p14 max doesnt exist
thick elk
Honestly the non max are fine, you really don't need that high an rpm, sure it may cool things a bit better but I'd take a bit of throttling over the noise any day.
cursive summit
Which is a lot more expensive but really cool tech
devout raptor
Which is a lot more expensive but really cool tech
true
an entire nr200p max is also an option
since it has psu and aio included
devout raptor
Ive always wanted an itx build and I dont know many other good cases
devout raptor
oh yeah that one is really nice
cursive summit
It's very small, very compact, has 280mm clearance
But get the pcie4.0 version cause I got the cheaper one and I had tons of problems
devout raptor
does it fit atx psus
cursive summit
Yes
devout raptor
oh wow
cursive summit
I put an atx one in it
devout raptor
itx mobos are expensive too and since it fits matx that would be a good option
devout raptor
But get the pcie4.0 version cause I got the cheaper one and I had tons of proble...
does pcie 3 and 4 make a big difference
devout raptor
my current motherboard only has pci 3.0 if im correct
cursive summit
Oh if you are planning to use that then you'll be fine
devout raptor
i would most likely upgrade by then
cursive summit
But if your motherboard has 4, and your GPU supports 4, but the riser is only 3
Then you will have no output signal at all out of your GPU
devout raptor
oh yeah that makes sense
cursive summit
The only way to fix that is set pcie mode to 3 in bios but it will reset to 4 every single time you update bios
So really a massive pain in the ass
devout raptor
does sound like a pain
cursive summit
Well considering you have to get into the bios with no signal, yes
Unless your CPU has an iGPU then it's perfectly fine
devout raptor
pretty sure it doesnt
cursive summit
Mine didn't so I had to completely disassemble the rig and plug the GPU in directly
Set the pcie mode to 3, and put it back again
Every single time you ever update bios
devout raptor
wait a second whats the difference between the meshlicious and meshroom s
cursive summit
Meshroom S is newer
Not sure what difference it really has over licious
But I really liked the licious and meshroom is a lot more expensive
devout raptor
But I really liked the licious and meshroom is a lot more expensive
seems that the meshlicious isnt really available in any of the stores
meshroom s is though
cursive summit
You live in Finland right?
devout raptor
yeah
cursive summit
I'm from one of the baltics and they are available here
Hold on a second
I think they ship to EU? https://www.caseking.de/
devout raptor
this is what jimms, the most popular store has to offer
cursive summit
I ordered parts from a local shop, and they in turn ordered from Caseking lol
So basically just overpaid instead of ordering from caseking directly
devout raptor
So basically just overpaid instead of ordering from caseking directly
oof
ashen spindle
if you run discord chrome and steam at the same time you get basically the same fps still
cursive summit
oof
There's also computeruniverse in germany that also ship in EU
And they have really really good prices
devout raptor
7800x3d is the best cpu for gaming tho?
devout raptor
There's also computeruniverse in germany that also ship in EU
oh yeah ive forgotten about the german market
cursive summit
Germans seem to have less tax or something
devout raptor
i would not get the white one
cursive summit
Yeah that's a normal price for a pcie4.0 meshlicious
I paid 120 for pcie3.0 version
You just said it
ashen spindle
it doesnt really have fps improvements
cursive summit
ashen spindle
if you overclock 13th gen it's basically the same
the 14th gen is just the 13th gen refreshed
its not really a new gen for desktop
cursive summit
i would not get the white one
Btw if you ever buy risers
Don't buy 140mm ones
Amazon has good quality 200mm risers, 140mm is very limiting
I know the 6 extra cm's would make it perhaps look less "tidy" but if complications with the build happen, you want that extra length
I had a thing just the other day where I couldn't fit a displayport adapter cause the PSU was in the way, so I had to completely unsecure the riser so that the GPU is basically floating lol to have the space for the adapter to work, if I had more length I could try to secure it a bit further down than the 140mm included riser would allow me
You want that extra length
fickle ore
@ashen spindle
cursive summit
And why are you linking this, or pinking quin?
ashen spindle
the driver update I assume
cursive summit
This is tech talk channel, not wendy's
cursive summit
the driver update I assume
Which was linked like yesterday
fickle ore
me and quin went back and forth on this a while back whether it was a cs2 issue or amd problem
ashen spindle
it's still an issue on nvidia and arc so it's not a total fix still xD
fickle ore
im not saying that either
reef patrol
cursive summit
Ew
Nobody needs this
Why is Windows getting a refresh like hardware
So they will abandon 11 after just 3 years of release
Where 10 is counting its 8th year
It is highly questionable why 11 even exists
frozen ingot
they're probably moving to a "sErViCe MoDeL" where everything has to be needlessly updated and changed every two years or so
and also probably want to get people onboard with subscription models down the line
coarse cloak
where did windows 9 go 
frozen ingot
isn't modern software great
cursive summit
Here I am hoping 10 years down the line Windows 10 will not pick up some nasty 0 days that will never get patched out
frozen ingot
we didn't know how good we had it back in the 2000s 
cursive summit
Cause I seriously have no interest in abandoning 10
coarse cloak
this makes no fucking sense
i dont get some enterprise branding anyway so i didnt expect to understand what that means
halcyon moss
They might be too young to know win 95/98
cursive summit
this makes no fucking sense
Probably to avoid Windows 9 update 11 situations
coarse cloak
must be some weird "important branding" coping
coarse cloak
Probably to avoid Windows 9 update 11 situations
honestly who cares that win 95/98 exist(ed)
cursive summit
Or Windows 8 was such a mess that they wanted to make as much room away from that shit so they skipped a number
halcyon moss
Apps that determine versions based on windows 9*
coarse cloak
Apps that determine versions based on windows 9*
that would make sense, just skill issue tbh
shouldve just named it Windows IX (joke ofc, they wouldn't allow such a deviation from their branding 
)
halcyon moss
that would make sense, just skill issue tbh
Yeah that was the accepted reason as to why back in the day..
coarse cloak
wheat plume
It does have better AI stuff in the CPU
But all the Pixels from the last few years so
frozen ingot
putting ai hardware into every consoomer device seems like a strange approach, figured it would be more profitable to just have it talk to a google hivemind ai cloud
wheat plume
Google are trying to ease the fear of data collection by doing more shit on device
wheat plume
^
wheat plume
by making the device itself even smarter at collecting your data
Lol yeh
You just got to trust them that they don't send it later
smoky frigate
classic shell was indispensable for fixing the gimped windows 7 explorer for me, what a great program
devout raptor
what case
cursive summit
what case
Don't listen to him, you'll be overspending, and it's only sold from some american website
smoky frigate
also: the more MS gimps its os, the more people may hopefully be looking at alternatives and we'll get a more diverse market. thanks MS for doing a difficult shift in OS ecology lel
cursive summit
When your suggestions are shite, I will
wheat plume
also: the more MS gimps its os, the more people may hopefully be looking at alte...
Nope
Cause people will stay where their apps are
And if their apps aren't on alternative
Then they won't switch
No matter how shit it may be
wheat plume
Alternatives like Mac and Linux are in a circle
-
people won't switch if their apps aren't there
-
Their apps won't switch if the people aren't there
Yeah...that only works so well ;_; sadly
And shut like adobe and office don't work on it
They are very good at weaving code !
Very very good
smoky frigate
Alternatives like Mac and Linux are in a circle
1) people won't switch if their...
I think the critical unholy trifecta that would need to be replicated/ported is Outlook, Office and Active Directory. as horrible as it sounds, they are the base business IT
wheat plume
Office for sure
That being said
Office is on Mac and that hasn't made many people switch
Oo
Never been to their website
Lemme see that !
smoky frigate
I've seen a couple mac machines in the industry, in two instances even industrial milling machines that ran OSX, as bizarre as that sounds. never once seen a linux workstation, for obvious reasons
wheat plume
Yeh I like their website a lot
smoky frigate
it's like people who vote for their political party every 4 years 😛
wheat plume
Yeh
I genuinely miss Windows Phone 8.1
If there was all the apps I used on it, I'd still use it
8.1 was the most visually consistent OS I have ever used on a phone or desktop
And had nice animations
Was mega smooth on my phone too
And dark theme was mandatory for any apps in the store
Then Phone 10 can along and made it more laggy and boring
RIP 8.1 animations
smoky frigate
I have never had a fapple product cause I don't wanna shell out the cash
people using them tend to like 'em though
no shame in using what worx best for you
wheat plume
Yeah a lot of pentesters use Mac
smoky frigate
try books
wheat plume
:p
coarse cloak
tru, their whole thing is kinda just that
wheat plume
ROCm SOCm Robots
frozen ingot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29-LRuuqFT0
based movie
smoky frigate
ROCm SOCm Robots
I tried setting it up once and it was a more confusing process than it oughtta be
ROCm currently doesn’t support integrated graphics. Should your system have an AMD IGP installed, disable it in the BIOS prior to using ROCm. If the driver can enumerate the IGP, the ROCm runtime may crash the system, even if told to omit it via HIP_VISIBLE_DEVICES. then there is that great AMD software quality
wheat plume
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29-LRuuqFT0
"Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized by!"
HAH
relatable ....
smoky frigate
I'm sure that won't fuck you over lel
wheat plume
its his install script ive used before
archtitus
2 minutes if you have a fast machine and 10gb internet speeds
smoky frigate
watching the video
warm night
why when there's archinstall
or you know, just read the wiki and you can do it in aabout an hour if youre decently not stupid
smoky frigate
why have sliding doors when swinging doors are perfectly fine
warm night
stupid analogy
though not entirely incorrect
i just dont think other install scripts are what you should be using
do it yourself or archinstall
then you know what you're getting and at least its somewhat officially supported
wheat plume
archinstall keeps crashing on me during the selection process ;-;
eventually it works after a few retries
warm night
yea they fixed that recently
smoky frigate
I don't think archinstall is very good, and it's basically also just a script
warm night
just install the keyring and then update archinstall in the iso
warm night
I don't think archinstall is very good, and it's basically also just a script
its good enough for what like most people who need to use it to actually get the OS installed to begin with would want
but im a beliver that you shouldnt use it until you know how to manually install because eventually something will require manual intervention and then you're not gonna have a clue what's going on or how to sort it
smoky frigate
yeah I wouldn't recommend it to anyone but newcomers, or really lazy people
warm night
im lazy i use it
thjough it does seem to just
break
a lot
you can
with archinstall
thats automation
i mean
but
you arent wrong
but if thats your viewpoint then arch isnt for you its really taht simple
oh no thats just stupid
smoky frigate
I think manual install is retarded, you are really not learning anything valuable, it's just learning procedure. sadly arch lacks a really impressive installer, so here we are
wheat plume
I use Archinstall so I can make all the Arch people angry for not installing arch the true arch way
:')
warm night
i think manual install teaches you a bit but you arent going to remember that unless you use your system for a while and figure out how to do stuff
i installed manually before archinstall was a thing and it still took me ages to figure out how to use shit
wheat plume
cant update much on Deck
smoky frigate
it's probably beed fixed like a week ago
wheat plume
LOL
warm night
i just update when i boot and then before i install anything
that seems normal ish idk what other people do
wheat plume
same
smoky frigate
I do an update like once a week, serves me well
warm night
thats also good enough
it doesnt really matter as long as you update before installing something [on arch at least, dunno about others but i do that anyway]
wheat plume
if you have a nvidia GPU you dont want apply updates as soon as they appear, cause if the driver updates before the kernel does, you will get a black screen when you reboot -.-
warm night
i use linux-zen anyway so im forced into dkms
wheat plume
dkms = Dont Kill My Self?
warm night
dynamic kernel modue someththing
smoky frigate
using cachyOS kernel myself, it's fast as fuck
warm night
it just compiles the nvidia shit for your kernel instead of using the precomiled one for the main kernel
oh yea cachyos i gave that a try but idk it just didnt reall do much for me
wheat plume
it just compiles the nvidia shit for your kernel instead of using the precomiled...
ooo
smoky frigate
nobody uses gentoo lol
warm night
gentoo is just impractical levels of diy
wheat plume
I have never once used Gentoo
warm night
i dont wanan be compiling chrome every day
wheat plume
yeh lol
warm night
man i was trying to give gnome a go
i do like the libadwaita look now but
this is garbage
i hate wayland (on nvidia)
and gnome on xorg is no better it feels like
back to plasma we go
wheat plume
wait....is it not Fedora based??
warm night
nope
warm night
yeah
smoky frigate
it's kinda weird. gaming performance has been spot-on on nvidia for me, while desktop use was better on AMD
warm night
yeah no my laptop is amd and everything is flawless
wheat plume
it's kinda weird. gaming performance has been spot-on on nvidia for me, while de...
Gnome?
warm night
not a single issue i had on my desktop has happened on that laptop
warm night
yeah same here
wheat plume
on plasma I get stuttery desktop and stuttery game ..
warm night
plasma is a little buggy for me sometimes it just hangs and random shit but its perfect besides that
latent mural
Does anyone know what I would need for my pc to qualify for windows 11
warm night
officially, tpm2 enabled, secure boot support, >4gb memory, >64gb storage i think
but you can bypass it all really easily
wheat plume
and 10th gen intel or higher
warm night
and something about modern ish cpu
10th??? is it actually
wtf
i thought it was 7th
thats madness
wheat plume
oh, I may be wrong
latent mural
I have um
wheat plume
hope I am
warm night
you can pretty easily bypass all the reqs anyway so i wouldnt sweat it unless youre using something that was bad in 2010 nevermind now
smoky frigate
on plasma I get stuttery desktop and stuttery game ..
it's not the gnome per se, mpv (best media player) is somewhat unstable for me, multi-monitor is ass, and I get rare (once a week) crashes on gnome. that used to not happen on AMD. AMD had glitches in games though, and I haven't seen any of that on nvidia
smoky frigate
it'll run
warm night
but you shouldnt really have issue running 11
warm night
but you might not officially qualify to be able to be compatible
but they put the reqs unnecessarily high
11 will easily be fine on that
if you use rufus to flash a usb with the iso it should let you bypass the tpm2/secure boot limitation and stuff
wheat plume
on my old laptop, it let me install 11, but when I tried to run updates it said that my system is not supported by 11 and refused to do the updates
this was last weekend
warm night
lmfao
smoky frigate
thanks MS
warm night
i dont even run windows on my laptop
wheat plume
same, not on my new one
warm night
id rather have some semblance of battery life
latent mural
if you use rufus to flash a usb with the iso it should let you bypass the tpm2/s...
Idk what tf you just said
warm night
and the fans not go ps4 volume eevery 3 seconds
latent mural
No hablo eapanol
warm night
you can just google how to bypass the windows 11 requirements and youll find your way
wheat plume
Idk what tf you just said
download windows 11.ISO
install an app called Rufus
use Rufus to write ISO to a USB drive
smoky frigate
parlez francais alors
latent mural
Ok
warm night
i am not doing tech support so i am pointing you to google
latent mural
parlez francais alors
Wi wi
warm night
youll manage
latent mural
Thx
wheat plume
weewee
warm night
wi 💀
latent mural
Also how much would that pc be worth
young pecan
id rather have some semblance of battery life
Sir please. Windows 11 Superlight. 💀
wheat plume
Also how much would that pc be worth
your bio is mega sus.....
warm night
Also how much would that pc be worth
idk like 200 at most
latent mural
Bro why you say that
wheat plume
latent mural
Breeeh
young pecan
Brrrruuuuhhh.
latent mural
Why u send that
warm night
Sir please. Windows 11 Superlight. 💀
why when arch linux 😃
young pecan
why when arch linux 😃
Linux is a security hellscape. 
warm night
we have had this discussion before and i won
warm night
i do enough to make sure im not going to get bombed by 500 security violations
young pecan
No I’d do super light because WSL2.
warm night
on my desktop i do not give a single shit though lmfao
young pecan
Change the UX and have like 7 distros going.
warm night
i yeet everythuing in the name of performance
wheat plume
No I’d do super light because WSL2.
Chris Titus WinUtil + Rectify11 for consistent UI
smoky frigate
I don't even have a sudo password on this machine lel
warm night
my root pw on here is root
warm night
my laptops is like basically unbreakable though
young pecan
I don't even have a sudo password on this machine lel
Yeah this isn’t something to be bragging about. Typically you wanna keep your brain damage on the down low. 
warm night
im going to nuke gnome and install plasma this is killing me
ashen spindle
I dont have a password on this either what would a user password do
smoky frigate
Yeah this isn’t something to be bragging about. Typically you wanna keep your br...
I am a firm believer in running your system like you want
warm night
this is truth
young pecan
I am a firm believer in running your system like you want
Sure you can, but that doesn’t make it less brain damaged.
smoky frigate
that's impressive for 4 poopy cores
warm night
arent they there because theyre more performant given the space they take up or am i wrong
i thought thats like the entire reason they exist
ashen spindle
yeah but on desktop you dont need that area saving
warm night
true
ashen spindle
laptop yes, not desktop
warm night
ok yeah fair
latent mural
@warm night would you pay 300 for the pc I showed you and a monitor and a keyboard and mouse
warm night
i wouldnt pay 300 for that because i dont need it
ashen spindle
and even then the amd approach with the dense cores is infinitely better
latent mural
Ok
warm night
(bad answer)
latent mural
Lol
warm night
i ahve no idea though
ashen spindle
because you have the smae core structure and not missmatched instructions
latent mural
This was my transformation for 300
latent mural
W
latent mural
Screen size difference is crazy
young pecan
Might be a really nice way to do high density game servers that isn’t a 9654.
warm night
i am completely out of the loop on what is happening with cpus what is going on with storm peak hedt
does it have many core that are fast
smoky frigate
Sure you can, but that doesn’t make it less brain damaged.
I wouldn't recommend it for a production system obv... but at home, who gives a shit
ashen spindle
zen4 threadripper is strom peak
warm night
ahh
young pecan
does it have many core that are fast
It’s HEDT Threadripper.
warm night
ok yeah i see
young pecan
Very hype.
cursive summit
young pecan
I wouldn't recommend it for a production system obv... but at home, who gives a ...
I mean I suppose if you do nothing on the internet yeah. Still all it takes is one fuckup to get danger malware and since Linux security is basically DOA all the time I wouldn’t risk it and then have to rebuild my prod environment.
warm night
theres nothing on here to rebuild in my case
ashen spindle
I think I now get what van gogh was made for lmfao, take a guess what replaced it if this is correct @astral haven
warm night
i just clone my dotfiles and install the software i use (takes literally 20 mins to go from tty to my normal setup)
unless someone gets in and wipes all my drives no harm done
even then
i just have to download some games
young pecan
I’d have to rebuild my entire Kubernetes IDE space and I do NOT want to set everything back up.
warm night
yeah in your case
i see why
but for someone who doesnt do anything particularly important on my desktop
i just dont bother
to each their own tho
astral haven
I think I now get what van gogh was made for lmfao, take a guess what replaced i...
Wasn't it Qualcomm?
young pecan
Legit tho, Kube is actually so easy now.
young pecan
Got into GitOps for that. It’s giga simple.
ashen spindle
Wasn't it Qualcomm?
no it's an x86 option
warm night
just removed gnome while i was using it and now my desktop background is blue
young pecan
Just push shit to Gitlab, Kube does Kube. Only really need an IDE and basic tools.
astral haven
I can't think of any other Microsoft bs that came out recently hmm
smoky frigate
just removed gnome while i was using it and now my desktop background is blue
wise!
warm night
yes
latent mural
Is this a good pc build?
warm night
its ok im just going to reboot in a min
latent mural
warm night
just tidying up
ashen spindle
I can't think of any other Microsoft bs that came out recently hmm
its a surface project
young pecan
At this stage all I really need is scaling. Gotta get an Anycast LB and some nice shit with wireguard tunnels…
warm night
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WhmsL9
4060 ti is not good value at all but beyond that i see no glaring issue except the need for spending like 100+ on rgb
astral haven
its a surface project
Yes?
OH the surface gos
Got wrecked by n100
warm night
its barely faster than a 3060 ti, sometimes slower due to memory bandwidth i believe
smoky frigate
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WhmsL9
what do you wanna do? if playing games is your goal, I'd go for a cheaper CPU and putting that money into your graphics card instead
ashen spindle
Yes?
OH the surface gos
Got wrecked by n100
almost
ashen spindle
fucking lakefield for the surface neo
latent mural
I want a geforce
warm night
if you really want nvidia idk much about the value in 40 series rn so i cant help
why do you want nvidia
if you think amd's drivers are bad they've come a loooong way
latent mural
Bc i have a amd atm and i dont like it
astral haven
fucking lakefield for the surface neo
not a chance
thats an entirely different level of power
warm night
but what amd card is it
latent mural
Ehhh
warm night
because rdna is a hell of a lot better than their previous offerings
latent mural
6600 sumting
warm night
a
why do you not like it 🤔
beside maybe perf
but upgrading to something higher fixes that anyway
ashen spindle
not a chance
thats an entirely different level of power
well there is a chance it was set for higher power first or something
latent mural
Idk just dont like it i prefer nvidea
warm night
weird
smoky frigate
I understand that sentiment
warm night
well idk i just know that the 4060 ti is terrible value
astral haven
well there is a chance it was set for higher power first or something
doubt it, theres just not enough room in that chassis for even 12 watts
young pecan
All of the 4000 series is terrible value.
warm night
truth
young pecan
Either buy a used 3080/Ti or a 7000 series AMD. No contest.
ashen spindle
doubt it, theres just not enough room in that chassis for even 12 watts
yes I mean maybe the original neo was bigger or valve got them to make van gogh bigger idk
astral haven
unless ofc you use the exclusive features
warm night
id go last gen amd rn on a budget
smoky frigate
if you want nvidia, you'll only get something worth the price on the used market
young pecan
if you want nvidia, you'll only get something worth the price on the used market
Truth of truths.
astral haven
yes I mean maybe the original neo was bigger or valve got them to make van gogh ...
yea if gogh was running c cores or something
astral haven
but i think that predates the c cores
warm night
i oaid that much for my 3060 ti
ashen spindle
yea
young pecan
Lots of VRAM.
latent mural
And it to run rlly smooth
young pecan
So go with a 3080Ti.
smoky frigate
doesn't matter what brand, as long as it isn't gigabyte
young pecan
3090 is F tier. Avoid at all costs.
Price for that card is $500~ over all the time.
Need to liquid cool the back or it runs at 105c all the time. Open loop is expensive.
astral haven
the value of the 3090 is getting wrecked by ai folks
warm night
my gigabyte card is great
whats the problem with gigabyte
i know some have had issues but i didnt know there was anything that big that youre just like avoid them completely
young pecan
i know some have had issues but i didnt know there was anything that big that yo...
Idk do you want a documented list or something? They’ve historically been jank at best.
astral haven
Need to liquid cool the back or it runs at 105c all the time. Open loop is expen...
that its rare that thats true
only in mining, in game you wont break 85 which isnt great but its not a problem
smoky frigate
consistently shit for me. the last gigabyte card I had would overheat on its back plate all the time. needed S-tier airflow to get this fucking piece of shit to run stable
warm night
my temps are perfect
smoky frigate
then, two motherboards from them died on me in short succession
warm night
yea i wouldnt get a board from them
noone is even making good boards anymore, havent asus had some issues too
though asus are probably still a first pick for me given they didnt fuck something up
astral haven
it seems that asrock has taken it on themselves to be ok
young pecan
- Hex in the BIOS when asking for decimal
- VBIOS update blows
- Unstable VBIOS update
- Unstable BIOS update
- Poor card quality
- Their entire company got ransomwared
- Cheap hardware used where it shouldn’t be
- Snafu with throttling under T max a while ago
It’s always something new.
Some stupid BS.
warm night
my asrock board was an ass rock man
smoky frigate
weirdly, this MSI mainboard has been consistently good for me, despite them having a similarly bad reputation
astral haven
yea my friend with the worst tech luck has been working with their msi board forever
but individual examples? eh
warm night
apparently on the board that i had, it was a common thing that the nvme m.2 slot just didnt work
bought a nice ssd after dealling with garbage dramlesss budget ones for ages, plugged it in and it just didnt work
turns out it was just that model of board just not working
and yes, it did support nvme
smoky frigate
my temps are perfect
I must also mention that it was a Vega 64, so a lot of the blame probably falls on AMD on that one
warm night
was not sharing any lanes that iwas otherwise using
frozen ingot
weirdly, this MSI mainboard has been consistently good for me, despite them havi...
I never had issues with my gigabyte mobos back in the day either but they seem to have shit the bed too many times in more recent times
smoky frigate
it turned me off AMD forever
warm night
maybe deserves it though i dunno much about it honestly
astral haven
got a friend with giga 6900xt and it overheats too
astral haven
yea but that gpu consumes almost nothing
astral haven
and hotspot delta of 15 on that low poer a card isnt great
warm night
is it not
well thats in like
worst conditions
theyre usually closer
was just the highest i recall seeing on hotspot
astral haven
sure but a cooler needs to be built for the worst conditions
warm night
my point being
i had a fine experience with gigabyte
but ill probably avoid them now
astral haven
other thing to consider tho is giga uses coolers from their high end on some of the smaller gpus too
smoky frigate
don't let us ruin them for you, maybe you are just lucky with GB lol
astral haven
so even if the big gpus are awful, a small gpu could be great
astral haven
and thats probably also available on a 3080, and on that it would probably be atrocious
warm night
so ig giga are fine for the midrange and lower end cards
well fine given they dont screw something else up
astral haven
to be fair thats pretty much true for everything