🔌│tech

[empty wren]

You know there is flying car

[astral haven]

i wonder if you could make a rocket propelled car street legal

[empty wren]

But it needs a landing strip or airport

[warm night]

very small rocket

[empty wren]

Cannot land that in free highway space

[astral haven]

not only would it have to be small, it would also have to not be hydrazine or most solid fuels

probably couldnt be methane either

hydrolox probably meets german emission requirements?

[empty wren]

Someone in a class last semester said he would speed on public roads during a speech

He has a mustang so not totally suprising

[astral haven]

my former manager told me stories about his dad, who whenever he saw one of those slow down signs for a corner, he would try to double them

[empty wren]

Lol

Inb4 cop hiding before the hayball or billboard

[astral haven]

my dad gets really unhappy when the speedometer goes over the legal limit, even though both mine and his car read 5% high

and i have a gps spedometer

[empty wren]

I am actually surprised how accurate google maps speed reading is

[astral haven]

wow its almost like averaging over a bunch of gps samples is really accurate

mine is from my dashcam which has built in gps

[empty wren]

Interesting

How the quality of video feed good enough for you?

[astral haven]

been good enough so far

but i also havent needed it yet

[empty wren]

Oh

[astral haven]

mostly use it as a digital rear view mirror

[empty wren]

Ah is that a part of your car stock or no

I know some come with that now

[astral haven]

i have one built in but its kinda meh

and it automatically disables itself at 10kph

[empty wren]

Oof would have been useful for parking

[astral haven]

oh its fantastic for parking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAeLU8rwbKg

it has the mother of all blind spots on both sides, which is why i really wanted a digital rear view mirror
and the built in one cant be used when actually driving

[empty wren]

I see

[astral haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H32sF8BI3H8
I think this is the same model I have

cuts way down on my blind spots

[empty wren]

Yeah that as a whole would help someone parallel park

And leave the drivers side in the US if parked right next to a active road safely

[astral haven]

yea for parking i exclusively use this
getting out, my car is off lel

[empty wren]

I think some car company advertised side mirror alerts for traffic

[astral haven]

dont think those work after turning the car off

[empty wren]

Makes sense

Imma find it hold on

[astral haven]

also generally not a problem on roads with parking, mirrors usually can see anything that would hit your door if you opened it

[steep creek]

Bind zone detection?

[empty wren]

Nevermind I will just wait for the ad on the tV to pop up sometime

[empty wren]

Well it is meant for a driver leaving out rh driver side and next to the active road

[steep creek]

Ah I see

[empty wren]

And they can be careless I guess like not look at the mirror

[astral haven]

interesting, yea i havent seen that
but also its probably not aptera or canoo so im not too interested

[empty wren]

Car will tell them

[steep creek]

I think I’ve seen it in some Mercedes models all though I can’t say for sure. Provably nice as a safety feature

[astral haven]

yea but also not gonna be buying a mercedes lel

unless the eqxx price drops 90% or something

[steep creek]

Yep aptera looks way more fun, not considering price of either brand

[astral haven]

not only price to buy, also operating price

[empty wren]

https://youtube.com/shorts/cVUneoXTcjA?si=gu60JDfftF-e3k63

[steep creek]

Operating price is manageable apart from some automakers service fees. Overall evs are close to free in comparison to fossils here

[empty wren]

Battery replacement be expensive

[astral haven]

so is transmission replacement

[steep creek]

Definitely expensive, but not too common I would say. At least to my knowledge

[astral haven]

yea at least out of warranty

the leaf i bought had a "new" battery

replaced under warranty

[steep creek]

But I’m more considering expected costs such as toll road fees, fuel vs charging, other fees etc

[astral haven]

yep

but the mercedes still costs hundreds of times more

[empty wren]

Does regenerative braking reduce brake wear?

[astral haven]

we frequently get 2 or fewer weeks a year that wouldnt be completely free on the aptera

[steep creek]

Yes. I’ve never changed brakes on mine. 80k kilometers and going lol

[astral haven]

yes and no, you gotta pay attention to make sure your discs arent rusting

[empty wren]

Oh so winters are definitely not fun

[steep creek]

Rusting yeah

[astral haven]

well i dont live where thats a problem, its more when going to the beach

[steep creek]

But fyi I have driven it through 3 winters, down to -30 Celsius without issue

[astral haven]

but thats also true on a gas car, except the gas car wipes the discs clean every stop

ive gotten really good coming to a stop fully on regen, got an app that shows me the exact ratio, and if you ride the pedal carefully enough you can get the regen to bring you to a stop almost completely, and the real brakes only once you are fully stopped

if you brake normally itll maximize smoothness

[steep creek]

Honestly it’s become almost like muscle memory to me now. I always drive using the b mode (except on flat highways) feels unnatural without it now

[astral haven]

yeeeee

sadly mine creeps in b mode 😦

so i do need to use the brake pedal

[steep creek]

Mine too in low enough speeds, but that’s where e pedal comes in handy hah

[astral haven]

yea my car predates e-pedal

[steep creek]

Afaik it can hold itself on a pretty steep hill

Ah

[astral haven]

yea btw e-pedal uses the actual brakes once you are stopped

[steep creek]

Yes funny actually the brake pedal goes in when e pedal is active

[astral haven]

nah its just like a normal car

[steep creek]

Eco mode perhaps would be the closest thing

For torque reduction

[astral haven]

eco mode doesnt limit torque, it just delays it

it limits jerk

[steep creek]

Yeah it’s I guess the closest thing to it

[astral haven]

modern electric cars just have fast enough anti slip systems that are always on

unless ofc you turn them off

but thats kinda illegal

[steep creek]

I can turn it off pretty easily in the settings, I’ve found it’s better to disable when trying to go up a snowy / icy hill

But other then these rare cases I leave it on at all times

[astral haven]

yea all cars have that option, for those situations

[steep creek]

Yep

[astral haven]

its not needed in an electric car that is competently made tho
Nissan -_-

[steep creek]

Lol perhaps. All those I’ve driven fared better with it off in said condition

[astral haven]

you gotten a chance to try any of the new ones?

[steep creek]

Yah my driving school had the model x and 3, I also checked out the ariya a bit

[astral haven]

well i said competently made

😛

[steep creek]

Haha fair, then it’s the fossils

I drove the e class and some Audi I can’t remember which, but it had Quattro

But I can’t be sure if it’s due to the studded tires it fared so well, or awd, probably both

[astral haven]

neat
yea i only have driven the under 20k options since im not really interested in spending that much

i also drove the ariya and bz4x just in case, but they really werent that interesting, especially at the price

and ofc my parents new ioniq 5

[steep creek]

No issue with that. These weren’t my cars fyi, but someone I know

[astral haven]

well you wouldnt be driving a leaf if they were yours would you lel

[steep creek]

Very true, not my leaf even haha, my parents. I’m still a student

[astral haven]

oh lol

[steep creek]

But yeah i agree with you on the ariya. I don’t see the appeal of it, just seemed a bit boring

[astral haven]

yea i was in the car with the salesman, and it launched like a 2006 minivan

and i pulled over and menu dove to see if there was anything to fix that

but nope thats just how it was

the bolt and leaf are just so much more responsive, even in eco mode

[steep creek]

Yes eventually found the “sport mode” setting but all that did was reduce the estimated range by too much

[astral haven]

it was in sport+ or whatever

i thought it was broken but nope thats just how it is

the cool thing is it gave pretty much the exact same acceleration from 0-20 as from 40-60

but like

come on

[steep creek]

Yea it almost doesn’t feel like an ev. Even sways a tiny bit around when turning corners

But what ultimately made me dislike it is that half of its settings is hidden in the screen. Like when it’s -20 outside I don’t want to fiddle with the heating, just click a button and get on with it

[astral haven]

It's basically a random consumer's first ev icebreaker

[steep creek]

Yeah haha

[astral haven]

Not a good car, but a very comfortable one

Teslas are very strange

Not as strange as the BMW i3 was tho holy smokes what a jank experience

[steep creek]

Honestly I’d steer away. In Norway they’re everywhere, but service centers are always clogged up. My driving teachers model x had an issue where every time you steer it sounds like a really loud squeaky noise

The service center just told him they can’t fix it

[astral haven]

Oh sure but also they aren't built for normal people to drive

You gotta be an enthusiast or have it be your first car

[steep creek]

I guess. Personally I wouldn’t buy it and use it as my main car

[astral haven]

Same

I can recommend an ariya to anyone tho and it probably won't be that bad

[steep creek]

Sure it’s a good car but it’s disappointing to see that they’ve bumped up the price but the battery capacity of the base model is still 63 kWh

[astral haven]

Ah but most people won't empty that in a week

And for the price you pay in battery, you could instead buy plane tickets whenever you need to go anywhere
Or rent a car

Bonus being you don't put a ton of miles on your commuter

[steep creek]

Yeah or public transport if you’re going a bit far. Lots of people do it

[astral haven]

Here I mean outside of the normal range of the car

[astral haven]

Oh sure but that's aloooooooot cheaper lel

Similar to the price of gas or fast charging

[steep creek]

To be fair 63 kWh is plenty if you’re driving within city limits, even outside close by. But when going on trips you really need to stop and charge hah

[astral haven]

In the larger evs, fast charging isn't even cheaper than gas

Least not in the us

[steep creek]

Perhaps for you, but here , currently it is always cheaper

[astral haven]

Nah

Never will be on the hummer ev VS a prius for example

At least not for white a whilr

[steep creek]

I mean charging price vs fuel though about 0.45 usd per kWh for fast charging. One liter of fuel is 2-3 usd

[astral haven]

Half the electric cars I see that arent leafs are rivians which is a $80 battery to charge

Gallon is $6 here

About 3/4 the price on our side

Our prius is 180usd for 600 miles at 3 usd/liter

Rivian is 200 miles for $80 when fast charging

Dang it's close with your prices

But the hummer ev is over 120 for under 200 miles

But yea that's not entirely fair

[steep creek]

One gallon is about 3.8 liters, hm something like an e class had a tank size of 80 liters. Roughly 200 usd to fill it up.
Model s 100 kWh battery size, so approx 50 usd to quick charge it. (Tesla supercharging might be differently priced) I’m not sure

[astral haven]

You have tourism

[steep creek]

Interesting stuff

[astral haven]

But yea with an efficient ev ofc the ev wins

Aptera laughing in 1000 miles for actually $0

[steep creek]

I wouldn’t go road tripping with a leaf to put it this way, just get on a train then lol

[astral haven]

Ain't a good option here

[steep creek]

Plenty of fast chargers but I really don’t have the patience to stop and charge constantly

[astral haven]

Only the rail lines that were profitable for industry are still in service

[steep creek]

Well at least there’s flying or rental as you mentioned

[astral haven]

Yup

[astral haven]

There's also the surf liner for LA to sf

That doesn't include the surf liner for example tho

definetly is if you do it vertically lmao

[reef patrol]

Today in dumb shit Elon did. No more headline text for article links.

[halcyon moss]

well thats just fucking annoying..

Just an image that is clickable

[dull rampart]

some sort of app thing?

[reef patrol]

No but it is inconsistent.

I see both links with and without headlines on web. So I figured it's either a caching issue, or some kind of domain filtering, because Musk doesn't like certain news media or some shit,

[dull rampart]

or some kind of domain filtering
ah I see

[reef patrol]

So let me get this straight... The Pixel 8 Pro, Google new flagship? only has 30W fast charging?

[fair gull]

i still dont understand people want to charge faster and faster

[sharp badger]

It's nice though

240w is crazy https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.gsmarena.com/realme_gt_neo_5_240w-ampp-12067.php

[frozen ingot]

good when you're in a hurry, but not something you want to do all the time

[fair gull]

im fine with my 20w charger i use

[sharp badger]

Upgraded from 30w -> 45w so it's not fast compared to others but it's nice to have

[old marlin]

tbh I thought it was a big deal

having the option to charge quick is nice

[reef patrol]

Because I need to charge my phone fast when I need to.

[old marlin]

but the 25 on my A54 are good enough ig?

[reef patrol]

Because usually I forget to.

Why spend an hour waiting for something that takes 15-20mins?

[old marlin]

when do you wait for your phone though

[reef patrol]

When I need to leave to buy groceries, when I need it for bus tickets, when I'm going to bed and it might not survive the night.

The alternative is me charging it here and here in small amounts, which is even worse for battery life.

[fair gull]

you dont? smh my head

speaking of which 20%... time to connect it to a charger and forget about it

[umbral heron]

Don't Li-Ion batteries like frequent and small charging sessions?

[old marlin]

no

ideally you want to always charge from 20 to 80% in one go

[digital cliff]

I've only ever experienced 10w lol

[reef patrol]

My brain can't even comprehend that. I'm so used to 65W

[old marlin]

it's not even that big a difference from 0 to 100

because it doesn't throttle

only thing 65 does better is a faster burst at the start

[reef patrol]

That... matters

[digital cliff]

for me I'd be fine with 1W lol

[reef patrol]

I live in a country where my smartphone is state ID, public transport, web banking and so much else.

If I run out of power, I'm in real trouble.

[digital cliff]

I have 70% left at the end of the day normally

[old marlin]

same

[reef patrol]

I charge at least once a day to make sure I don't stand somewhere with 5% battery left with no charger.

At < 20%

[old marlin]

I just charge like every second night

[umbral heron]

I just connect it whenever (usually around 30%) and unplug it as needed, there's a setting that limits charging to 85%

[hasty thunder]

maybe you should just buy a phone with a proper battery, because i don't have to charge my S23U 2 times a day

and i also have everything on my phone. ID, banking, etc.

[digital cliff]

can you actually not use these services without a smartphone

[reef patrol]

State ID? Not unless I plan ahead.
Bus tickets? I'd pay more, and would have to use a travel card (so more planning)
Web banking? I can't move money around without sitting at home, using my state ID

[old marlin]

[reef patrol]

Remember the 2FA Authenticator tokens? That's what it is.

[old marlin]

here you can use 2/3 without a phone

[umbral heron]

For ID you have a plastic card
But for public transport you have to either carry pass with you or buy paper tickets
For web banking it's necessary, as it's 2FA

[old marlin]

but web banking requires a phone soon

[reef patrol]

I have ID. I don't have my 2FA to prove I am the person on that ID.

[old marlin]

if you had it set up earlier on you might still be able to use a tan generator for now

[digital cliff]

crazy

[dusty marten]

That sounds like scandinavia living alright

[digital cliff]

the day they require a smartphone for web banking is the day I will not have an account at said bank

[dusty marten]

Ahaha cant do shit without my phone

[reef patrol]

They don't, but I do if I need to change something while away from home. 😄

[digital cliff]

ah

[dusty marten]

Well they give you like a small pager thing that generates code, if you want to keep track of that instead of your phone

[old marlin]

it's a state wide requirement here

soon at least

[digital cliff]

remind me to not move to germany

[hasty thunder]

we're using a 2FA TAN system here

[old marlin]

tan gen won't be useable soon

and you will have to move to qr tan

[umbral heron]

Here bank only support mtans or plastic cards with codes, but those are being phased out soon too

[hasty thunder]

germanies government instances are still in the stone age actually, but literally every other company moved to digital stuff

[dusty marten]

Thats surprising to hear actually

[umbral heron]

I love Blik in PL, you can pay everywhere with codes generated on mobile :3

I stopped carrying a wallet few months ago tbh

[dusty marten]

We have something similar in Norway, normally shops have a code and QR and you just pay to that code

[reef patrol]

Does it prove a good TAN? No idea what that is 😄

https://tenor.com/view/tan-little-more-color-tanning-dark-sun-gif-11426282

[hasty thunder]

it's either a 6 digits code you get and have to enter on the website then or it's a simple swipe confirmation after logging into your 2FA banking app

[reef patrol]

Oh we have that as well. Four pin though or a QR code.

(and I hate it)

[old marlin]

I got one that just needs your card still

[misty saffron]

wtf does TAN mean though

[reef patrol]

At least we scrapped the damn one time code paper pieces. Felt like we were back in the 80s all over again.

PLEASE TYPE IN THE WORD THAT IS ON PAGE 56 ON LINE 6

[old marlin]

transactionnumber

[reef patrol]

Just call it 3FA 😄

[old marlin]

it's not 3fa tho

it used to just be a list of numbers

[reef patrol]

Indeed... the added step has no practical purpose.

[umbral heron]

My mum still uses those, they are pain in the ass

[misty saffron]

2fa transaction number? what?

[old marlin]

you just had a list of numbers you could use once each

[misty saffron]

ah, a term only germans use, that’s what i thought it was

[reef patrol]

Here you either use the app with an account and a password, then you either camera a QR code or type in a 4 letter code on the app.

And it has zero security improvements.

[old marlin]

then you had these things that required your card and then read data from your screen optically

and now they wanna force the qr stuff

[umbral heron]

Exactly the same
But over every one was scratch foil

[old marlin]

sms also was an option for a while

[old marlin]

lol

[misty saffron]

again, what’s the point of all this? doesn’t 3ds exist?

[old marlin]

3ds?

[umbral heron]

3d Secure

[misty saffron]

3d secure

[raw zephyr]

ubertragung aktivieren

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/lindsey-stirling-gaming-blanket-nintendo-switch-video-game-gif-24659454

[old marlin]

tans are part of 3ds lol

[cursive summit]

https://twitter.com/Tech_Reve/status/1709511894330130552

Revegnus (@Tech_Reve)

The information about Samsung abandoning AMD GPU is incorrect. They are indeed developing their own GPU, but it’s more like a modification of AMD GPU. In fact, this month at Samsung LSI Tech Day, Martin Ashton, AMD’s Vice President, is scheduled to attend as a guest to announce…

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Twitter · Oct 4, 2023, 10:12 AM

Exynos with AMD will be stronk

[ashen spindle]

It already has amd and they screwed it up

[cursive summit]

First attempts are nearly always half baked

[old marlin]

yea was horrible

[ashen spindle]

Clock target missed by like 500mhz or something

[cursive summit]

Exynos when fully tuned will be great

Marvelous

Adreno needs to go

[ashen spindle]

Samsung foundry skill issue

[umbral heron]

Wonder if AMD is still butthurt about Adreno lol

[cursive summit]

Cause it made by ATI?

I doubt it cause AMD didn't acquire ATI by the time Adreno existed, right?

[umbral heron]

Adreno was AMD mobile division before, Qualcomm named it Adreno as anagram from Radeon

[cursive summit]

Uh, no? It was ATI

I'm pretty sure it was just ATI with Adreno

[old marlin]

nope

ati got bought in 2006

[umbral heron]

With naming that may be true, but majority of Adrenos is AMD mobile stuff

[old marlin]

and adreno got sold to qualcom in 2008

[cursive summit]

Adreno needs to go though

[umbral heron]

Anyway RDNA2 in mobile chips? Holy heck...

[cursive summit]

That's Exynos 2200

And as we know, it wasn't great

[umbral heron]

Oh

I saw thumbnail and got excited

[cursive summit]

But they just need to fine tune the power limits, thermal management

[umbral heron]

Big disappoint

[cursive summit]

And it will overshadow Adreno easily

Hell I doubt Apple can compete with a properly implemented RDNA 3.5 GPU

Ah 7000G series is about to launch

This will be a very interesting launch since this is the first APU in consumer PC market that doesn't have Vega

(not counting the 2 CUs they included for troubleshooting purposes in most Ryzens)

12CU APUs with RDNA3 will be probably 1080p medium level gaming

[umbral heron]

Steam Deck with no power constraints It'd be cool to have medium 1080p HTPC with no discrete GPU

[cursive summit]

RDNA3 so.. APUs with FSR3?

That'd be insane

[umbral heron]

Oh, you're right
Cyberpunk 2077 4K FSR3 on 7600G
Who cares it'll look like smeared in oil

[cursive summit]

FMF is what's going to be important

12CUs will be enough to push 30-40 frames at 1080p medium I think

Frame padding can do 60-80 easily

[old marlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjAp45M-MHk

this is what is important

[cursive summit]

Would still be a smooth and enjoyable experience

I don't think doubling let alone quadrupling it is clever

I think 50% extra frames is a good spot for fake frame generators

[old marlin]

no shit

[umbral heron]

I read somewhere as long as you keep 60fps with no frame gen there should be no issues to push it to ~200s with no loss of responsiveness

[ashen spindle]

Nah you need more than 60

[cursive summit]

Why am I having brain rot tweets appear in the twitter feed https://twitter.com/witeken/status/1709843217141653754

witeken (@witeken)

This is Intel 7 vs. TSMC N5. Intel 4 reduces power by ~40%, so Meteor Lake will obliterate Zen 4 and N4 Zen 5.

Twitter · Oct 5, 2023, 8:09 AM

[ashen spindle]

Oh witeken is basically an unpaid intel shill

Free comedy content

[cursive summit]

Where's the figure of 40% power reduction even coming from?

Meteor Lake is pretty ass

[ashen spindle]

His ass

[ashen spindle]

Like using scaling at theoretical maximum an applied to the entire chip etc.

[cursive summit]

AYO @young pecan https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.01889

Infinite context is massive

I wonder how LLMs could deal with massive token lengths though

I would be afraid that they'd get really confused along the way

[thick elk]

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/forspoken-fsr-3.314247/page-5#post-5115465

Very interesting if true, I personally doubt it but it does seem like the demo is down atm, so maybe.

[cursive summit]

Holy moly

DLSS on AMD

[young pecan]

Mmmm. Very interesting.

AYO?!

[cursive summit]

Is it only through proton?

[thick elk]

If true probably but its just two screenshots with an unidentified source and the only other thing we have is that the demo is not available on the steam store

[cursive summit]

steam://install/2312690

Apparently this will download the demo

I'll attempt, fast internet so 20GB is nothing

[umbral heron]

Checks out https://steamdb.info/app/2312690/

[cursive summit]

Well, yes

Never played the first one so idk if I even want to attempt to play the game lol

Don't really care much for the franchise

[ashen spindle]

We had this before and no it’s just the us saying it’s on that doesn’t mean it’s actually working

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah probably. If it actually worked on other GPUs people would have unlocked it long ago

[cursive summit]

Or it might just default to FSR2

If it's available

https://youtu.be/8UtwFnXRcDA

But is it actually free

Something's off @thick elk

Running FSR2 Quality 42-48 FPS
FSR2 Native is about 27 FPS

DLSS Quality dropped me to 32FPS about

DLSS Native is 18 FPS

So it's definitely doing something

Because Native should just be no upscaling whatsoever, but switching to DLSS it fucks the framerate

I think that's a fluke because XeSS gives me around same results as DLSS

And AMD.. shouldn't support XeSS

So it's some kind of weird mode where the game thinks it should be upscaled but doesn't cause AMD just doesn't support the upscaling

So yeah it doesn't work

[umbral heron]

Both FSR and XeSS are multi-GPU

[cursive summit]

I am weirded out that Native FSR is 30 FPS, but XeSS-DLSS Native fluctuates between 18-22FPS

Why's it lower if it's native

[thick elk]

if you switch to fsr performance does that do anything different?

[cursive summit]

FSR2.2 performance?

What am I supposed to look for

[thick elk]

I would say try the dlss option and see if you can spot its artifacts or something see what happens when you turn it off

[cursive summit]

FSR perf gives me about 50

Oh very interesting

DLSS perf gives me 45

And shimmering is gone

[thick elk]

Xess has 2 modes one universal one and an intel specific one

[cursive summit]

Yeah switching to DLSS perf gives me like 5 less FPS but I can noticeably see better image quality

[young pecan]

Just enable both at once, Vex.

More speed.

[cursive summit]

FSRSS?

Sounds like a plan

[young pecan]

Yes.

Throw in Xess in there as well.

And DLAA.

[umbral heron]

Ah yes, Super Resolution Super Sampling

[young pecan]

XEFSRSSSSAA

Excellent.

All the perf.

[young pecan]

I see no way this goes wrong.

[wheat plume]

🤔 does this editor have Nord theme preapplied to it? interesting

[cursive summit]

If you want to go looking for some differences then go

I don't know how to properly make a comparison with a slider and how to make so that images aren't compressed

[young pecan]

This is in AC?

[cursive summit]

All I am seeing is that switching to DLSS gives me 5 less FPS and it eliminates texture shimmer

I saw some ugly ass shimmer

[umbral heron]

https://www.instarestoration.com/slider should work

[cursive summit]

I'll use in-game photomode instead of lightshot lol

Might be higher quality

Where tf does this game even place screenshots

Very nice

Oh there are differences alright

I can't find any websites with sliders, #🔌│tech message this one has a max limit of 5mb which the screenshots are over

[ashen spindle]

also idk why people are still coping, the fact that dlss is using the tensor cores can be seen when you analyse frames and use nsight or whatever its called to see what gpu parts are loaded

[cursive summit]

FSR looks worse for me and for some reason takes 5FPS off

Ah DLSS performance looks and performs identical to FSR balanced

So I think selecting it just pings it up a quality level but just uses FSR

So wtf kinda perf level is above native to destroy my FPS?

[cursive summit]

Well AMD has their own "tensor cores" so who knows, maybe there's a translation layer or something that automatically takes over

[ashen spindle]

they dont really

[thick elk]

Still there is a visual difference, there is a performance difference, so something must be going on.
Could be some other scaling technique such as XeSS being used, could be some weird bug, could be some translation layer that translate dlss calls to something AMD can work with. Or simply DLSS being able to fall back on those in general. I definitely would not jump to conclusions but so far it peaked my interest

[cursive summit]

There isn't

When I switch from FSR perf to "DLSS" perf, it's the same as FSR balanced

Same visuals and performance

I don't think it does anything lad

Quin explained it perfectly reasonably well why it wouldn't do anything

[ashen spindle]

Same thing happened before in some other game and it was just wrong Ui

To some degree dlss could be made to run without tensor cores but then it’s just fsr basically with maybe some tweaks

[thick elk]

oh well fun while it lasted, this was the most likely outcome.

[thick elk]

Tried it a bit and dlss perf seems not to be the same as fsr balanced nor fsr performance nor the last option used? fsr native for instance has haloing behind the character spinning around dlss does not. Could still be XeSS used instead of dlss though but on my deck its not a simple dlss performance = FSR ballanced

[ashen spindle]

Last time it was just native but extra AA or something

[thick elk]

there is definite performance scaling between the dlss modes used and dlss performance does perform better than fsr quality. It is probably still nothing but more complicated than that case.

Also the demo being unlisted peeked my interest.
I will probably test it a bit more when I have time to see what is actually happening.

[wheat plume]

🤔 what makes it smart though?

[umbral heron]

It works with pulseaudio

[ashen spindle]

Meh, not too interested in some demo that just has broken settings menu

[wheat plume]

and Pipewire too but it doesnt sound that good ;-;

the sound is very boring

[wheat plume]

There might be an upcoming Steam Deck hardware refresh that comes with better Wifi and Bluetooth support for LE mode, the other changes are unknown

[severe phoenix]

R

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m89aE8L06Rs

[old marlin]

just add some kpu ledges

[umbral heron]

But Deck already has PCIe 3.0

Isn't that that new leaked Steam Console? With Galileo/Sephiroth APU?

[wheat plume]

The docs say Steam Deck Model 1030

[umbral heron]

Yeah, it's ought to be named Steam Deck Console

I doubt there will be Deck refresh until Deck 2 somewhere in 2025
Segmentation in starting product is something you'd rather want to avoid

[wheat plume]

Valve are waiting a few years for Deck 2, yup

they made that clear

But they can do a model refresh with slightly tweaked hardware but with the same APU inside

[thick elk]

As long as the performance remains the same a hardware revision seems reasonable. Newer wireless chips, some devine revisions and such.

[wheat plume]

OLED, better Wifi, etc etc

maybe bigger battery

[old marlin]

OLED would prob be a bad idea

since higher power draw

[wheat plume]

if(Deck.getDisplayType().equals("OLED")
{
  Lana.purchase("Deck")
}

[old marlin]

I personally would love a larger screen

[wheat plume]

larger at 800p?

[cursive summit]

It's not getting an OLED, nor do you need one

Just get therapy first

[old marlin]

would take it yea

[wheat plume]

Arent OLED more battery efficient though?

[old marlin]

they legit can't sell new large OLED tbs in the EU anymore

[wheat plume]

Well, Deck UI is not AMOLED anyway so maybe not in that case

[umbral heron]

You can get one though, there's DeckHD after all
OLED would be nice but not necessary

[old marlin]

because they are inefficient

[wheat plume]

thats not OLED

[thick elk]

those bezels are huge, I personally don't expect oled but I'd like one, the power usage depends on content also and is generally not that bad. Biggest problem is having a large enough order to get a reasonable per unit cost for a custom oled.

[umbral heron]

owo?

[old marlin]

OLEDs are only efficient in dak scenes

[wheat plume]

DeckHD = higher res + slightly better color range

[umbral heron]

Oh
I've been lied to

[wheat plume]

Nowhere did DeckHD say it was OLED though

[old marlin]

yea but 1200p makes performance quite a lot worse

[wheat plume]

Yeah LOL

far far worse

Even some games that run fine in handheld play like crap at 1080 when docked for me

Apex cough cough

[old marlin]

[umbral heron]

I can play all good Assassin's Creeds on 1080p, I'm happy :3

[old marlin]

you don't wanna play apex on a steam deck

[wheat plume]

@umbral heron

[cursive summit]

Don't buy a Deck then

[wheat plume]

I do cause my sister loves it and I play it with her xd

[cursive summit]

It's a shite hardware device carried by software

[wheat plume]

also Catalyst is great

[cursive summit]

That won't be that good when DeckOS goes open

[old marlin]

eh

the trackpads are a massive + to me

[wheat plume]

I love the Deck hardware, its so nice to hold and play on

[cursive summit]

Legion Go is better by a long mile

[wheat plume]

yes,the damn touchpads 😍

I require those

[old marlin]

oh legion go has them

also costs like 2 times a steam deck

good to finally see actually good competitors

[wheat plume]

I AGREE YES

[old marlin]

cough ayaneo cough

new revision is just coming in before deckard, right?

[wheat plume]

Any "Steam Deck Killers" I see coming out

• triple the price
• no touchpads
• off the shelf OS with janky overlay to make controller usage sort of manageable
• More powerful but less battery life

[old marlin]

well legiojn go is looking quite a bit better

has touchpads

is "only" 800€

instead of ayaneo prices

if you can put steam os on it it might be pretty good

[wheat plume]

and you probably get better support from Lenovo rather than a company like Aya

if something goes wrong with your Aya handheld, you need to ship it back to China

[old marlin]

with the Z1 extreme, 16GB LPDDR5X at 7500mhz and a 512gb m.2 pcie gen 4 ssd

and an 8.8" screen

49.2Wh

[wheat plume]

Wasnt Z1 Extreme only meant for the Ally?

[old marlin]

don't expect much else from lenovo tbh

[wheat plume]

oh?

[cursive summit]

Ally isn't even double the price

[old marlin]

with lenovo I have no fear of them just shutting down though

[wheat plume]

but they have support in the US and Europe too?

[old marlin]

it is tho

[cursive summit]

Touchpads are overrated and you people should be ashamed

[old marlin]

if you compare based model

the touchpads are really good

legion go costs the same as the ally tho

[wheat plume]

Id much rather the Legion Go

[old marlin]

so if it doesn't ahve any absolutely stupid mistakes like that one does it might be good

[wheat plume]

touchpads, mainly

and the right controller being able to use as a mouse is nice

[cursive summit]

Ally is Z1E $699.99, not even double of base steam deck which was always 349

And the cheaper Ally is like 100$ less

Ally is in theory better but it's by Asus who can't design shite, so it sucks in software

[chrome estuary]

I like my Ally personally. I hated the control layout of the steamdeck

[old marlin]

ally grilling sd cards immediatly disqualifies it imo

[wheat plume]

Deck is comfy AF to play on

[cursive summit]

How dare you, not the holy sacred Deck

[old marlin]

considering that is 1/2 storage slots

[chrome estuary]

I don't use an SD card.

[cursive summit]

Pretty sure ASUS released a software patch for the SD card issue

I.. think

[sharp badger]

64GB is meh tbh, yes you can have a SD Card but rather have a bigger M2

[old marlin]

it's not a software issue

[wheat plume]

they did but its a hardware issue

[old marlin]

the sd card sits under the red square

right below the heatpipe

and gets hot enough to eject itself

[chrome estuary]

Yeah that was really fucking dumb

[old marlin]

ah sorry

bit to the right

[chrome estuary]

Regardless

[old marlin]

it's that thing with kapton tape on it

[chrome estuary]

They massively fucked up on SD card placement

[wheat plume]

also, I hate how arrogant ASUS are about the Ally

[cursive summit]

They'll prolly release a hardware revision.. maybe

[sharp badger]

Yeah but with having a 512gb ssd is more than enough don't see the use of the SD card other than emulation

[old marlin]

legion go is 1600p

why tf

[wheat plume]

bruh wtf

is it at least VRR???

[cursive summit]

Yes

1600p is pretty perfect though

[reef patrol]

External will be external.

[chrome estuary]

1080p is almost too fucking much for the Z1E

[wheat plume]

Yeah

[cursive summit]

FHD is way too much for what, 7"

[old marlin]

ah

[chrome estuary]

Nah it's fine there

[old marlin]

yea 144hz as well

[chrome estuary]

120

Or at least ally is

[old marlin]

it is way above fhd

[chrome estuary]

Idk about the go

[wheat plume]

they just wanna seem better on paper specs

people be like "LegIOn GO is BetTeR ThaN The AlLy And THe DeCK caUSe The scReEn iS LeSs BluRrY"

[old marlin]

it is 2560 x 1440

[cursive summit]

Ah it's QHD?

That's a bit weird

[old marlin]

yea

16:10

qhd

[chrome estuary]

Dfg

[old marlin]

at 8.8"

[wheat plume]

16:10, good call

[old marlin]

with 144hz

[cursive summit]

But you just scale the res down and it's fine

[old marlin]

aka

[chrome estuary]

2560x1600p144

[old marlin]

you will use it as a 800p display

[reef patrol]

Phones are at QHD these days too. It's all about pixel density and numbers, baybee

[chrome estuary]

The ally can at least play some shit on 1080

[cursive summit]

Even at FHD it'll prolly look just fine at 8.8"

[old marlin]

FHD looks fucked on 1440p displays

because of how scaling works

at that point just halve it

[cursive summit]

I don't really get why they chose for basically a good high end PC display

97% DCI-P3

Like.. why

97% is incredibly color accurate

[wheat plume]

to look better on spec lists

[cursive summit]

Professional levels

[old marlin]

also the ssd is a 2242

even mroe fucked than a 2230

let's hope it has 2230 mounting points

[chrome estuary]

Probably not

[astral haven]

You can get adapters that clip on to make an ssd longer

Shorter is alot harder

[old marlin]

not if there is no space

[chrome estuary]

And increase the bulk

[astral haven]

?

[cursive summit]

Anyways Legion Go is by far the best handheld that's in or entering the market

[chrome estuary]

The ally can support a 2280 ssd

Ngl I wish the Go had been announced before I bought the ally. I might've gone with it instead

[wheat plume]

Legion Go res means worse battery life and worse performance in games

[old marlin]

oh no

[wheat plume]

I wanna see the APU of the Go with the screen of the Deck an see how well games run on that xd

[old marlin]

are those extra buttons on the side

[astral haven]

Yea the ally is nicer, but if you have a 2242 you can always fit a 2230

[cursive summit]

Uh, worse performance? No

[chrome estuary]

Look at that chonky boy

[old marlin]

yea it's fat

[wheat plume]

how tf you press those?

[chrome estuary]

Palm of your hand

[wheat plume]

accidently

yes

[chrome estuary]

Not accidentally. Always and constantly unless you awkwardly claw grip the thing

[cursive summit]

You're supposed to use them in Joycon way

[astral haven]

They are mouse buttons, only active when using the controller as a mouse

[cursive summit]

So you can press them with no issue

[old marlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8O7HRrMu4A

wtf

it is supposed to be a mouse

[wheat plume]

yeh

thats their main selling point

use the right controller like a mouse

[astral haven]

it apparently kinda actually works

[old marlin]

well yea

[chrome estuary]

So I won't lie. I hated the feeling of the switch with its controllers until I bought one of those controller grip things. I always felt like if I twisted my wrists that it would just snap

[old marlin]

but at the point where you have to carry that base with you

you might as well have an actual mouse on you

[astral haven]

but like this sort of glue on feature tends to be completely nonfunctional

[chrome estuary]

I feel like the go's controllers would feel the same

[astral haven]

my deck stays in its case always, and the base fits in the legions case

[old marlin]

my main concern would be the buttons being annoying in "regular" use

[astral haven]

we will have to wait for reviews for that

but if they do nothing, it at least wont impact functionality

[wheat plume]

watch Dave2D''s video about the Go,he says he could maintain his Overwatch ranks with the Go

[old marlin]

[astral haven]

i dont think that was really a glueon feature to the same extent, this one is pretty noticeable

[old marlin]

do I have to see him outside shitty keyboard takes now

[astral haven]

sure but like
its pretty hidden
physically

[old marlin]

wtf

that layout sucks btw

for controller extra buttons

[wheat plume]

^

ye

copied the Microsoft Surface stand concept

and it worked

[astral haven]

doesnt it break easily?

[thick elk]

Also no left trackpad for some reason. As someone who likes to aim with the left trackpad that's also an L for me.

Then again the majority is right handed so there is that.

[astral haven]

well this is the one pc handheld that could theoretically fix that issue

[wheat plume]

huh?

[astral haven]

the controllers are replaceable

they could come out with a southpaw version

and you would just buy the controllers again instead of having to buy the whole device

[vagrant pagoda]

191a continuous out of a single battery is nuts

Gotta love lithium

[cursive summit]

That just says 1.161

[vagrant pagoda]

Lol

200ah pack rated 2c continuous

So 200a isn't crazy for it

But that's a ton for me

Running a 12k btu ac off the inverter

Guess the current path

[hasty thunder]

what am i looking at here?

thing is that he obviously uses the clamp, but still has the probes attached to it, leading to a false measurement to begin with

and i'd never trust these clamps also

[astral haven]

thats not how that works at all

most multimeters have different circuits for the different features

[astral haven]

and they work, obviously not that precise, but generally quite great for reading orders of magnitude

and you can get extremely precise with them too

its just expensive

[vagrant pagoda]

This is accurate to about .3 a in the 600a range in my testing

You'd never use a clamp that big for milliamps

Meter doesn't do current over the probes

Probes are hooked up so I can quickly swap between volts and amps

With these lithium they can hold a very high float after a change on the caps

[astral haven]

i mean just get a big resistor

[vagrant pagoda]

So with a lowz meter you can bleed it off to get the actual voltage

[vagrant pagoda]

System dose ~650a peak

[astral haven]

BEEEEEG resistor

[vagrant pagoda]

So you'd need some fat temp leads

That's all 0/4

It's only a 2500w invert

But it's a good one so it will do 5kw start without issue

It's rated 3500w for 30 seconds

So that's ~450a+ for 30 seconds

And 300-350a continuous

With 400ah of lithium now that's a lott of angry pixies

[young pecan]

This is not how it works whatsoever but ok.

It's real easy to look at surface specs without looking at underlying technology for both devices. Legion go has advantages that don't exist on the Deck.
The obvious example is the Deck literally can't use integer scaling whereas the Go can, so it makes driving the screen more efficient. That alone is saving shitloads of battery.

[gusty kiln]

lol the legion glasses are the lenovo T1 that never got released in the US

[steep creek]

lol what a sustain, did you measure the temperature?

[gusty kiln]

glad I just went with Xreal

[young pecan]

16:10 might be nice to look at, but it's awful to actually drive efficiently. Fortunately Lenovo apparently saw this glaring fuckup ages in advance.

[astral haven]

why?
its just like 16:9 besides having a few more pixels

[young pecan]

Doesn't do perfect 1:4 ratio scaling, much less efficient.

[vagrant pagoda]

That is nothing to do with ratio you just add bars

Driving black pixels cost almost nothing

[young pecan]

You can change the bit you're rendering on down, but at that stage just do 16:9.

[astral haven]

what?

[young pecan]

Like I'd want a bigger 1:4 ratio screen versus a bigger uneven ratio which has to be cut slightly to do 1:4 if I'm doing integer scaling.

[young pecan]

Read the context, it's not that hard.

[young pecan]

Yes.

And the Deck uses 1280x800.

4shed.

[astral haven]

the deck is low enough res to not need scaling

i thought you were talking about the legion

[young pecan]

No no, Legion allows it which is good. Deck doesn't which is meh.

[astral haven]

icic yea MB

[vagrant pagoda]

I still don't know why none of these handhelds just have fucking battery packs

That was the best thing about having a game boy was just slapping extra batteries when it got low

[young pecan]

For something like the Deck which really can use the power bump, why even bother with 16:10? You just reduce it anyway because more FPS is more good.

[astral haven]

you can buy whatever battery pack you want, as long as its usbc pd

[young pecan]

I think he means attachable.

[astral haven]

bc that was a cheap panel

[vagrant pagoda]

And what stuff that between my cheeks

I don't want to have to have it dangling off my handheld

[young pecan]

Yeah there we go. Attachable.

[vagrant pagoda]

Like I miss having a laptop with a swappable battery as well

[astral haven]

swappable battery would definetly be nice

i like the lenovo system of dual batteries

[vagrant pagoda]

I keep the internal battery but add a way to attach an external

[astral haven]

problem with that tho is weight

[young pecan]

This needs to be standard fr.

[astral haven]

the deck is already pretty heavy

[vagrant pagoda]

I don't get why the market has decided that 2 to 3 hours is perfectly acceptable for battery life

[astral haven]

weight

[vagrant pagoda]

So give the option for how is that so hard

[astral haven]

also thats longer than a normal commute

[young pecan]

Because corporate morons are moronic.

Simple answer.

[astral haven]

the option they give is cables

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah if you can charge it at work sure

[astral haven]

nah just throw the batt in the backpack

charge in the backpack

[vagrant pagoda]

I don't see how that's any better than having an attachable battery

[young pecan]

It's not.

[vagrant pagoda]

That's less convenient in every way

[astral haven]

the advantage is its compatible with all your devices

and the weight of the device in use is lower

[vagrant pagoda]

The wieght of the device wouldn't change

You're already carrying the device and an extra battery

[astral haven]

weight while in use

[young pecan]

Ngl tho what I actually want is just hotswap batteries.

Turn my Switch into a cordless drill.

Give me that kind of mechanism.

[vagrant pagoda]

You're missing the point if you use it the way you use it nothing would change

But it would give somebody else the option to attach a battery easily

[astral haven]

sure but it adds cost, complexity, and weight even without the extra battery attached

[young pecan]

That's true but legit the last thing I want to do is to have to connect my shit to a cable once every 2 hours because that goes past me like it's not even there.

[vagrant pagoda]

Set of contacts and some molding in the case dosent add much if any weight

And is someone who regularly holds a regular size laptop for hours at a time while standing not everyone cares that it's that heavy

[astral haven]

its different holding a laptop from holding a handheld

i find it a ton easier to hold my surface book than the deck for long periods despite im pretty sure the surface book being heavier

its more about the position and distribution

its a controller

[vagrant pagoda]

You hold it using the touch screen for hours at a time?

[astral haven]

yea, pretty frequently too

yay inventory

[vagrant pagoda]

Handhelds are way easier

[astral haven]

hard disagree

you got a deck?

[vagrant pagoda]

Not any more

Battery life and screen visibility sucked to much

[astral haven]

yea maybe you are alot stronger than me, but for the surface, its easy pz because my hand goes under the center of mass

and i have 1 hand free to control

[vagrant pagoda]

I meant edge holding

Not sitting in the middle like a plate

[astral haven]

oh yea i dont edge hold the surface while standing around

i cant do that for hours

maybe with a pro but that sounds like pain

actually tbh i havent tried

also I wouldnt game for hours while standing, I doubt they thought of that use
I game with it either in my lap when sitting, or lying down holding it above me

when sitting theres no problemo

heck ye, was sad times when intel gave up on making faster chips

[hasty thunder]

the whole 4c/8t thing for YEARS on end was the more frustrating part

[ashen spindle]

well, intel fab tried and failed, they seem to do well now the cores seem to stagnate harder

[astral haven]

would have been fine if the cores were getting as much faster as they used to be

[hasty thunder]

not with the infamous glue they used under their IHS

[astral haven]

id be super down for a 4c8t that can get 20k in r23 multicore

[ashen spindle]

honey its next quarter, time for your skylake refresh with an extra 100mhz

[hasty thunder]

xD

wonder how long intel will be stuck on 10 nm now

given that they were on 14nm for a decade

[ashen spindle]

they wont be thankfullly

[astral haven]

at the very worst they will just go to tsmc

they already partially are

[ashen spindle]

was about to say lmao

mtl is on intel4 which is not the renamed 10nm superfin thing but finally an euv node

so at least non high power works on that node already

[astral haven]

welllllll
we dont actually know about the core power usage

only the gpu which is tsmc

lel

and the lpe core is not on 4 either

[ashen spindle]

there is no way they would make it a launch like this if it was as shit as cannon lake lmfao

[astral haven]

perhaps, but it could also be like ice lake where it requires a ton of power for high performance

even if its efficient at low power

[ashen spindle]

then it's still better than 10nm was xD

[astral haven]

ice was 10nm

[ashen spindle]

yeah but it wasnt the first 10nm node

[astral haven]

oh def

[ashen spindle]

they just never acknowledged cannon lake

[astral haven]

yup
still doesnt mean that i4 is better than 10nm

[ashen spindle]

it means they arent stuck on 10nm if it's useable

[astral haven]

if intel is able to bruteforce a better cpu on a worse node tho???
That would be really sweet

"bruteforce" not really the right word
intelligently engineer

[ashen spindle]

wonder how much of the shown pains on arrow lake are node related

that will be the big tell of where intel foundry is going

[astral haven]

yes and no

you could say the same for n6 and n31 if there werent other examples of n6

and n31 was design issues not node

n5

[ashen spindle]

if arrow would have design issues it will be kown like it was for n3x

[astral haven]

but only after release?
i dont remember design issues being known until after release

[ashen spindle]

I mean I dont care if its known a bit after release or not, it will still be a good indicator of where the fab spinoff is going compared to SS and tsmc

[astral haven]

ah tru

but as of now we have very little to go on

[ashen spindle]

yeah

nothing else is on 20a anyway iirc so we couldnt even compare

[astral haven]

yep
if we see incredible perf and perf/watt at 1ghz 2ghz 3ghz, and at 3.8 the wattage shoots to the moon, that could be evidence

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/10/hyundai-is-switching-to-tesla-style-nacs-plugs-for-its-evs-in-late-2024/

Heck yea!

adapter in '25

[wheat plume]

The Ally can function like a full desktop computer when docked unlike the Deck

u wot?

[ashen spindle]

ah the daily random quote from god knows where

[wheat plume]

another discord server im in

[astral haven]

linux isnt functionally a desktop for most users is what they mean

or they just dont know about desktop mode

[ashen spindle]

ask them not us then

[wheat plume]

no, they said the Deck CANNOT act as a desktop

apparently they arent aware of Desktop Mode

[astral haven]

ask them to clarify

[ashen spindle]

we got no clue what that persons brain is thinking so they could miss information, be wrong, talk about something else etc.

[wheat plume]

I did, they havent heard of Desktop Mode

[astral haven]

ah well thats an honest mistake then (probably)

its not like valve makes it easy

yep

its insanely awesome besides the idle power drain

[wheat plume]

Yep...

He hasn't wondered that

[astral haven]

do they use the hold power to shut off feature tho?

[wheat plume]

Idk....xd

[astral haven]

cause tapping the power button to sleep it is nice

[pale sigil]

Can't say I benefited much from desktop mode

It's always been a hit and miss experience

[astral haven]

and ive only had problems

[pale sigil]

Oh noes

[wheat plume]

Wat

[astral haven]

ive found for me it works better to just stay inside of steamos

also i just scrolled through some update notes, and they have improvements on gyro to mouse!!!

[wheat plume]

Gyro to mouse?

Oh
Nvm

[astral haven]

sweet, this should make it alot more useable!

used it a ton on SC for fine controls

[halcyon moss]

Star citizen?

[astral haven]

steam controller

[wheat plume]

Wtf is this scam?

110 dollars for a battery bank powered by AA batteries?

Lipo battery hm

[old marlin]

Where does ot say AA

[wheat plume]

It needs 3 batteries
Idk what kind

[astral haven]

no it doesnt

it has 3 included lipo cells

[old marlin]

Wtf

My brother has the message bar on top now in mobile discord

[wheat plume]

The way that's phrased made me think you had to put them in yourself like a typical AA battery or so

[wheat plume]

The what?

[ashen spindle]

yeah just restart, visible bug for a while that happens sometimes

[woven laurel]

https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-5/

The new raspberry pi is no longer a pocket pc

this is straight up a gaming pc

[astral haven]

😬

there are a ton of games that it is powerful enough to run that it cant bc its arm

id muuuuch prefer an intel sbc over a pi for gaming

[woven laurel]

we cant have everything for 60 euros

thing even has a cooler

[astral haven]

sure but for 80 you are in the region of starting to get gracemont

[wheat plume]

Im not, this is only 45W, cant charge laptop

laptop needs 60

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258

[astral haven]

https://a.co/d/aCCj5fy
I use this one
Pretty great and small

[halcyon moss]

You'd be surprised How many laptops can charge on 45 watts

[wheat plume]

mac uses 45 right?

[astral haven]

most can charge down to 25w
but while turned on they will drain

[wheat plume]

oh im wrong, laptop is 65W not 60

[astral haven]

again tho does it?

it will drain while being heavily used

sure

but if its asleep, or idling, itll charge

if its shut down it should charge from 5w

[halcyon moss]

I think my gaming laptop can charge on a 45w powersupply

[halcyon moss]

Well.. Maybe not 5. Most need a minimum voltage

[astral haven]

youd be surprised these days

when the device is shut down they can take very very low voltages

my current laptop, steam deck, and all the laptops we have at work charge from usb a when shut down

[halcyon moss]

Hm, cool

My x1 extreme gen 1 was very picky about it's usb powerdelivery

[astral haven]

you tried when it was shut down?

when awake they def are alot more picky

[halcyon moss]

Yeah, it needed 19v or something

65w was often not enough

[astral haven]

didnt even give you the amber led?

[halcyon moss]

I don't remember

[astral haven]

that really stinks

better charging circuits pls

[halcyon moss]

Current one has no issues charging on those

[astral haven]

also possible they fixed it on the later gens

[wheat plume]

Android 14 QPR1 Beta 2: New 'Software Updates' page.
The Settings / System / System Updates section has been renamed to Software Updates. The new page now incorporates System Updates (Android security patches), Google Play System Updates and App Updates, tapping on which redirects to the updates page on Google Play. Mishaal Rahman was the first to discover work on this feature in the first beta version.

Finally
Putting these all onto one page

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywaTX-nLm6Y

worlds most based video sponsor

[astral haven]

i wish for more videos from them and photonicinduction

[vagrant pagoda]

Drake is amazing

[astral haven]

drake?

[vagrant pagoda]

thats Styropyros name

[astral haven]

neat

[vagrant pagoda]

his name is on his site

[gusty kiln]

https://www.techpowerup.com/314448/hp-unveils-the-hp-spectre-foldable-laptop-starting-at-ususd-5-000

wonder how this compares to the lenovo version

[wheat plume]

5 GRAND???????

WHY

[gusty kiln]

basically a large galaxy fold

[astral haven]

immense flexible screen

[gusty kiln]

that tech is still $$$$

[wheat plume]

fair

does HP still preinstall all their garbage on their high end laptops?

[gusty kiln]

prob

it comes with 12th gen intel

ooooofffff

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/rGOJLTq59Ck

Only works on Android 14 QPR1 Beta

Not Stable 14 sadly :'(

[empty wren]

https://landing.google.co.jp/caps/

[wheat plume]

Task Manager clone on Linux!

[halcyon moss]

Heh, cool. Task. Manager is not bad

[thick elk]

It's design has it's benefits, just actually finding and managing tasks is less than ideal.
It could really use a quick filter bar

This is my process manager interface, just what I personally liked but fully customiziable because KDE:

[smoky frigate]

got a poopy 60bux TPlink 4G/LTE router and a sim card for up to 100mbps. it actually reaches 70 in some peak moments. this is fine! the antennas can be unscrewed, too. I wonder what kind of shenanigans I can do with that

[halcyon moss]

That uhm.. Is information overload :p

[thick elk]

Not when you are the one making the interface and know exactly which data is where.

[smoky frigate]

what's this called! this is dope

[wheat plume]

MissionCenter from Flathub

[warm night]

i love mission center

[smoky frigate]

bless you, I wanted this for a long time

[warm night]

to be fair i usually just use btop but mission centre is easier on the eyes

[smoky frigate]

hard to beat a UI close to perfection

[wheat plume]

Best Android 14 feature

[steep creek]

this looks sweet, so easily accessible

[warm night]

oh wow just noticed this was a thing

and i was using the beta for ages

wtf

[wheat plume]

I hated that they were one slider

I want notification quiet and ring loud

[warm night]

im the other way round

i hate the ringing sound

[wheat plume]

Oo

[warm night]

i dunno why

even my alarm on a morning

[wheat plume]

Same but I'd rather not miss a call

[warm night]

ill turn it off in like

2 milliseconds

[wheat plume]

Alarms are the worst sound

[warm night]

half the time my eyes are not functioning enough to stop it

so i end up pressingmy thumb over the speaker so i cant hear it as much until my eyes start working

xd

[wheat plume]

One time I used a song I love as my ringtone

Big mistake
I now hate that song cause of it

[warm night]

yeah

i just use the default one

[wheat plume]

Same xxd

[smoky frigate]

I have had this feature at least since android 10 (lineageos)

[wheat plume]

Yeh other roms do it

I'm glad they fixed the two issues I had

1. giant folder sizes on home screen
2. Laggy notifications shade when a quick tile was animating

[smoky frigate]

I use this as my alarm sound. jolts me up straight in bed every time since a year now

[wheat plume]

Hmmm...must listen one sec xd

Yeh...this sounds exactly how I expected xd

[warm night]

i would actually throw the phone if i heard that at half 6

[astral haven]

Oneui has had that for how many years?

[wheat plume]

OwO

https://youtu.be/JfrgHavFR9E

[old marlin]

Enable them ramping up in volume

[wheat plume]

I have