🔌│tech

[cursive summit]

"For now, the Watch Pro along with other CMF products are just limited to an India launch. It makes sense, given Nothing’s flagship production center is in India too, as is a majority of its audience."

[wheat plume]

Yeh I just saw that ;_;

[cursive summit]

Idk if these guys ship, but Indians do offer shipping services https://www.flipkart.com/wearable-smart-devices/smart-watches/cmf-by-nothing~brand/pr?sid=ajy%2Cbuh

[raw zephyr]

just wait a month or two lol

[wheat plume]

2 models....
Hmm

[cursive summit]

It's Lana, you know they will make a fuss about it on discord

[wheat plume]

Idk the difference
Time to look that up

[old marlin]

it's nothing

so it will be sold out

so people can scalp

[raw zephyr]

yeah it's Nothing interesting ;)

[cursive summit]

Nothing is indeed, not interesting

[wheat plume]

I like this watch
It's clean looking and seems to have pretty clean software too

[old marlin]

the os is really important imo

[wheat plume]

A lot of smart watches are really angular and whatnot
But just simple round like this

[old marlin]

bruh

[raw zephyr]

first thing you mention is looks

[old marlin]

that is as angular as it gets

[raw zephyr]

not the functionality

[old marlin]

thing is literally a box

strapped to your wrist

[wheat plume]

Yah that's damn clean looking

[old marlin]

can you replace the bands

[raw zephyr]

seems familiar

[wheat plume]

I've already seen the functionality
It's all on the website !

[old marlin]

what os does it run

[wheat plume]

Idk ...

[raw zephyr]

seems like it?

[old marlin]

supposedly

[wheat plume]

I still need to know WTF the difference in the two models are

[old marlin]

red band has a PVD coating

might be that idk

[raw zephyr]

what 2 models?

[old marlin]

other two are anodized

[old marlin]

yea

right is PVD

[wheat plume]

They are different prices too

[old marlin]

left is anodized

yes

[wheat plume]

Oh

[old marlin]

PVD is more expenisve

[wheat plume]

Is it matte?

[old marlin]

no

PVD is glossy

like

look at the product images

[raw zephyr]

why is there 30% off on product that has yet to be released

[wheat plume]

Idk

[wheat plume]

Oh anodized is more matte

[old marlin]

yes

[wheat plume]

I prefer that xd

[old marlin]

you can make glossy anodizing, but PVD basically always is high gloss

[tawdry mountain]

pvd is omega smooth and glossy, can be nice in some situations

though I do prefer anodized metal if I have to handle it a lot

[wheat plume]

Yeh xf this is a watch
You'll be touching it
The anodizing will hide fingerprint better

[old marlin]

not necessarily

[wheat plume]

I hate glossy phones for this reason too

Odd
No auto brightness

5 days of heavy usage
Damn, good battery

Seems the only non Indian YouTubers covering the watch so far are Marques and Unbox Therapy

[frozen ingot]

unbox therapy

[wheat plume]

Yeah I don't like him

https://youtu.be/nWjYwosKDRc

"Holy War with Google" wtf

[fading cloud]

ehhh what do you mean

[wheat plume]

Top of the second image xd

That first one has a lot of grammar mistakes too lol

[ashen spindle]

That’s from the nothing video?

[wheat plume]

Ye

https://github.com/AmbarFox09/Awoo-Splash/

I love this xf

The Notch gap looks so jank in screenshots

Just got a huge space between menu bar items

[halcyon moss]

It's really fine on amac screen

[wheat plume]

It's the only thing that Apple added that interferes with a core part of using MacOS

[umbral heron]

Mac
Microsoft Edge" next to apple logo
As a hardcore Linux dude I almost had a heart attack

[wheat plume]

The menu bar being in the panel was a thing in MacOS since the very start
And now a useless notch is getting in the way of it

[wheat plume]

Xd same

[cursive summit]

You people breed like rabbits at this point

This linux thing has to go blud

[wheat plume]

Speaking of Linux
Discord still won't open on my laptop

[river phoenix]

has anyone replaced switches in the wooting60he?

[wheat plume]

I'll try the flatpak

[old marlin]

[cursive summit]

Replaced with what

[old marlin]

I know why I won't run linux on my desktop

[umbral heron]

Am on Linux since 2012, and exclusively since 2019

[old marlin]

cba to be tech support for myself

[wheat plume]

This issue never happened me before

Maybe an update will fix it

[cursive summit]

I will have a little prayer for you and your mental health this evening

I hope things will turn out better for you..

[river phoenix]

other switches?

[cursive summit]

Specifically?

Lighter ones?

[river phoenix]

no idea. LOL

[cursive summit]

Wooting uses wooting switches

[river phoenix]

just curious thats why i ask

[cursive summit]

There are no other options

[old marlin]

you can replace them with other switches

that are basically exactly the same

with a different spring

[river phoenix]

interesting.

mayb e i will then just lube and film thnem then.

[cursive summit]

Yamato, you can't replace lekkers with other switches

[old marlin]

you can

[cursive summit]

No you can not?

It won't work that's for sure

[old marlin]

gateron ks-20 works

[umbral heron]

Got used to it
Working as a sysadmin mainly on Linuxes
And running Arch and Debian on every PC in home
Life's good

[cursive summit]

On an HE?

[wheat plume]

Ayyyy

[young pecan]

Prox?

[cursive summit]

Oh that's interesting

[old marlin]

they are HE switches

[cursive summit]

I didn't know these existed

[umbral heron]

Prox, k8s, ceph, lxc...

[cursive summit]

I wonder how worse they are

[old marlin]

they are essentially the same switch

with some tooling changes calder didn't like apparently

[wheat plume]

@umbral heron
I assume these permissions apply automatically?
1 through 4?

[young pecan]

Running normal distros for k8s? I’ve seen a few people running Debian for it but it’s not a crazy popular choice.

[halcyon moss]

That notch is way less bad on a laptop than a phone.
It's giving you a lot. More vertical space, because before it'd be bezel

[wheat plume]

They still use the same aspect ratio
So you get the same amount of vertical space

[halcyon moss]

WA... Waht

[umbral heron]

Am not as proficient at flatpak, sorry ;-; I'd have to tinker around to check how it work on my PC, but since I'm still at work...

[pale sigil]

I genuinely love it and have always loved it

[halcyon moss]

Now you're just spewing nonesense

[pale sigil]

I was using it when I had my htc sensation

[cursive summit]

So you were on drugs?

[river phoenix]

Im not sure if im comfortable lubing these switches. Im notoriously known for breaking shit... lol

[cursive summit]

Same as you'd lube anything else really

If you have any life experience with lubing anything, same concept

[wheat plume]

no?

its just that the screen takes up more space physically now

more screen to bezel ratio but its the same height as before

[river phoenix]

well i just watched the "wooting" switch lubing turtorial and he took the whjnole fuickin board apart. i was lost at that point and said f no. lol

[cursive summit]

Fair enough

[wheat plume]

yeah, less bezel

same aspect ratio though

[halcyon moss]

No

[old marlin]

no

[halcyon moss]

Just no

[old marlin]

read again

[wheat plume]

??

[old marlin]

you get 16:10

but the notch and bar sits above that

[wheat plume]

Yeah, all macbooks were 16:10

[old marlin]

so you still have an uninterrupted 16:10

look at the image again

[wheat plume]

all previous Macbooks were 16:9?

[umbral heron]

Afaik we are running k8s on Ubuntu, but I'm not sure, I'm more of a lxc/legacy linux stuff guy around here

[halcyon moss]

No

[pale sigil]

No

[wheat plume]

then idk wtf you mean

[ashen spindle]

Lana look at the outline on the image that is the previous screen size

The notch area is additional space

[pale sigil]

Basically they added a teeny bit more

[wheat plume]

So the notch Macbooks are like 16:11 or whatever? xd

[pale sigil]

You're still getting 16:10

Plus notch area

[wheat plume]

16:10 for content instead of 16:10 for content + Panel?

[pale sigil]

Ye

[wheat plume]

aha

[young pecan]

Ah yeah, I gotchu. Personally I’m doing a more future looking IaC deployment.
Talos Linux + Sidero Omni for OS scaling, with Terraform and stuff like Kustomize for mass deployment and managing. Gonna be using k9s and OpenLens for monitoring.

Very excited about k8s atm.

[fair gull]

also its not called panel its called menu bar

[pale sigil]

Same shit

[fair gull]

or global menu bar if you will

[young pecan]

Just trying to work out GSLB and Anycast networking atm to make everything proper distributed. That shit is hard. :/

[wheat plume]

Menu bar typically just means the menubar itself, not the panel its inside of

[fair gull]

its not inside of any panel

https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/the-menu-bar

[wheat plume]

this Menu Bar is inside of this panel

cause the menu bar is a widget of its own that typically inside the app window

[fair gull]

we went over this

[pale sigil]

Lana

[halcyon moss]

Anyway, Lana was very wrong :p

[fair gull]

macos only has 1 menubar

[wheat plume]

Ok, got it

Apple call the whole thing the menu bar
even though its not

[pale sigil]

Just don't bother

[cursive summit]

The only menu bar is the touchbar

[pale sigil]

The one that doesn't exist anymore?

[fair gull]

it exists

[halcyon moss]

It still does

[cursive summit]

It does and it's great

But reports say Apple plans to axe it

[halcyon moss]

If you don't like. Your esc or f keys

[wheat plume]

Is there a way to make Plasma desktop have dynamic workspaces instead of static?

[cursive summit]

For no damn reason cause it's one of the best features that Macbooks even have

[fair gull]

you still get esc though

and if you like f keys just set it to permanently display those

[crisp granite]

The touchbar is awful though

[fair gull]

why do you have 9 desktops open

[coarse cloak]

why don't you

[fair gull]

i just switch between apps not desktops

[coarse cloak]

same

[wheat plume]

I was testing a kwin script that does what MacOS does and makes whatever you put into fullscreen onto its own workspace

but I found out it doesnt automatically close them when you take it out of fullscreen 🤦‍♀️

[fair gull]

ctrl+arrow up is all i need

[coarse cloak]

if it's a script couldn't you make it close them when you take it out of fullscreen

[wheat plume]

I tend to just have 4 desktops

Well, on Gnome, it makes them as you need them with one empty one always available, and if you empty a workspace, it closes it

I prefer that system

[pale sigil]

I've never used a second desktop unless using modded mc and it wouldn't let me get out of fullscreen when loading.

[wheat plume]

so there is 2 by default and if you move sometihng to the second one, it makes a 3rd empty one

and if you remove everything fromthe second one, it will close the second one

[halcyon moss]

4 virtual desktops, for many many years

[wheat plume]

4 is a nice balance if your desktop doesnt handle them dynamically

[halcyon moss]

is disabled that in gnome :p

[wheat plume]

why?? xd

[halcyon moss]

because i don't like it

[wheat plume]

with their new workspace indicator in Gnome 45 you might try it again?

[halcyon moss]

i switch with my keyboard to a specific virtual desktop. i rarely use the otehr keys

i dont even know them

[wheat plume]

got to change all my shortcuts to this now... aaaghhhh

flatpak run io.mpv.Mpv

[halcyon moss]

alias it

[wheat plume]

I did in my .zshrc but I have shortcuts to open mpv and stream my YT playlist and those need to be changed too now

[halcyon moss]

or crate a "script" in your ~/bin and add that to your PATH

[wheat plume]

oh hmm

can I turn these notifications off? anytime I run a flatpak it happens

or at least make them time out automatically

[pale sigil]

Ugly notifications in 2023

[wheat plume]

better than the gnome ones 🤢

[pale sigil]

Disappointed Lana

Even my deck has better ones

[wheat plume]

as much as I love that desktop, their notifications are garbage

at least in Plasma they are functional, can monitor download and transfer progress from them also

[pale sigil]

Ye, I feel like gnome does so good in some areas but loads it just doesn't update

Just a shame plasma is awful on Nvidia

[wheat plume]

Yeah it is ;-;

Thats why I used Gnome on my desktop

games kept crashing on plasma after about an hour of gameplay

Gnome is better on laptops than plasma cause the UI elements are larger
plasma is hard to use a touchpad sometimes cause of the small elements

[frozen ingot]

linux be like we're now up to the visual standards of 2003 mac and windows

[wheat plume]

Plasma be like that

IMO Gnome looks better than MacOS

and any apps designed using it's guidelines

[umbral heron]

Eh
Default Plasma may be looking like that
But it's clean at least

[wheat plume]

true

[pale sigil]

@umbral heron are you the person who runs the Linux thread in palia

[wheat plume]

I wish Breeze Dark has an outline on the focused window cause very subtle drop shadows arent contrasty enough and idk where the window borders are sometimes if its over another app

[umbral heron]

No
I mean I do play Palia
But I had not yet contributed to community

[pale sigil]

Ah

[umbral heron]

Currently I'm working on a small wiki project, which will explain in a simple way some Linux concepts on Steam Deck for people new to Linux

[wheat plume]

oh neat :D

I think the main one is how to use flathub / Discover to get software

cause there is not much else you can do if what you want is not on there for now

SteamOS 3.5 is rumours to come with Nix Package Manager that can install everything else without needing to disable read-only mode

AND I CANT WAIT <3

[umbral heron]

Yeah, but also basic concepts, like which SD card to pick, what to do if game shows "available on Windows", stuff like that :3

[wheat plume]

ah yes!

[umbral heron]

Bcuz I see a lot of similar threads on reddit rn
And it'd be beyond useful

[wheat plume]

I wish Game Mode let you add non-Steam games / programs to Steam without needing to swap into Desktop Mode to do it

It would require Steam to restart but that is already possible in the Power Menu if you have dev options enabled

and then use the SteamGridDB plugin to add artwork :D

Google event in 47 minutes <3

Uncle Spurt is back again xd https://youtu.be/2ipBP8ThixI

£549

[cursive summit]

I think we should stop giving chinese phones so much coverage lol

Not healthy for anyone

[wheat plume]

Xiaomi make great hardware, I just wish they did more Android updates :/

1 Major update is not enough

[cursive summit]

If Xiaomi was Taiwanese I woudn't say anything

But it's just not good

[crisp granite]

I think we as consumers should only buy the librem 5

[wheat plume]

Move to America, you wont see any Chinese phones there!

[crisp granite]

And specifically the USA model

[crisp granite]

Sounds dope

[wheat plume]

🤢 not for its current price of 1200

[frozen ingot]

I mean I think xiaomi makes neat gear too, but still shady

[crisp granite]

Honestly iPhones are just killer for the money

1250€

[wheat plume]

Im talking the Librem 5

[crisp granite]

And it can run RE4

[wheat plume]

that is 1200

[crisp granite]

I know

And for pennies more

You could get a good phone

:)

[wheat plume]

these GARBAGE SPECS for 1200

[cursive summit]

Oo USB3 data

[crisp granite]

Welcome to the USA

You’re really paying for made in America

[cursive summit]

Even iPhone Pro doesn't get USB3

[wheat plume]

no no this is NOT The made in USA model

[cursive summit]

So 1200 is justified

[halcyon moss]

and you're paying for the software

[wheat plume]

THIS IS THE STANDARD MODEL

.-.

[crisp granite]

Hardware limitations

[cursive summit]

Indeed, USB3 is too complex and complicated

Also costs too much

[wheat plume]

USA model is 1600

[crisp granite]

So they’re playing off of the gullibility of idiots

[cursive summit]

Funnily enough there's a 98% chance this is another one of those CIA experiments

Honeypot, it's called?

[frozen ingot]

was going to say

this reminds me of that cia phone

[wheat plume]

they are trying to sell the Librem 11 to weebs who make art xd

[wheat plume]

I dont think this one is xd

but not certain LOL

[umbral heron]

👀

[crisp granite]

Another dogshit Linux distro

[wheat plume]

PureOS is basically just Ubuntu but with Phosh shell that is 95% Gnome desktop

[crisp granite]

NEXT!

[wheat plume]

Phosh shell is what made LibHandy though

the UI toolkit to make desktop apps react to being put on small phone screens without breaking

it is just like reactive web pages basically but for desktop apps

[umbral heron]

I'm kinda scared of their "secure and freedom respecting" OS

[wheat plume]

Yeah, its Linux

thats what they mean

[reef patrol]

Meanwhile over in the Zuckerverse. AI generated stickers for Facebook and Messenger.

[umbral heron]

What they put into that Linux is another thing

[wheat plume]

They have some custom stuff to make apps work better on phone but thats about it
and their hardware comes with physical switches to disable things like camera, mic and radio etc etc

Other than that, its stock Debian with Gnome desktop

[vagrant pagoda]

based

[wheat plume]

and PureOS repos

Can phone brands please PLEASE Stop preinstalling Booking.com and Facecbook??

[vagrant pagoda]

how did you get that

[wheat plume]

Phones in 2023: You pay more to get less features

[gusty kiln]

Uhhh I've been getting weird driver crashes/timeout with my 2080

[wheat plume]

why tho, sure, you get better cameras on expensive phones but you lose SD card slots and headphone jacks and on iphones, the SIM card tray

[gusty kiln]

Screen starts flickering to black

Signing out and it seems to fix it

[reef patrol]

I looked at my Twitter feed and saw someone post it.

[gusty kiln]

But it happened twice already

[ashen spindle]

DDU time

[vagrant pagoda]

ah

[gusty kiln]

Rip

[vagrant pagoda]

i dont have the option

[empty wren]

There are other expensive phones with SD cards besides iPhones and other phones with headphones jacks and sim card trays

[wheat plume]

yeh but they are usally "budget" phones despite being like 500 euro

[gusty kiln]

I did reinstall through gfe last night, but ddu is probably a safer bet

[wheat plume]

idk how 500 euro is considered budget these days

[pale sigil]

Beautiful

[ashen spindle]

eu iPhones have sim tray still

[wheat plume]

LOL

[wheat plume]

Chinese iPhones still have a dual sim tray!

[empty wren]

Inflation and this is more midrange budget

[empty wren]

Esim and nano sim together is still as good if not better than dual nano sims

[wheat plume]

y tho xd

[gusty kiln]

Minionussy

[coarse cloak]

wtf..

[wheat plume]

NNUU STOP BAD

[pale sigil]

Some of these I just can't post

Hahahaha

[ashen spindle]

Why is this not in meme rage smh

[umbral heron]

We were so preoccupied with protecting humanity from AI we forgot to protect AI from humanity...

[coarse cloak]

its related to tech talk

[pale sigil]

Last one

[pale sigil]

Ai

[ashen spindle]

Yes, memes

[empty wren]

This midrange priced phone has flagship hardware, camera may not be amazing though

[gusty kiln]

Moto it's aight

They just need to actually update their phones

[wheat plume]

@umbral heron My plasma desktop login screen is now just a black screen that shows * when you type each character of your password

And I love it

[wheat plume]

What cpu?

[umbral heron]

You can do that? owo

[wheat plume]

Yep!

[gusty kiln]

Prob s8 gen 1

[empty wren]

Gen 1

[wheat plume]

https://github.com/stepanzubkov/where-is-my-sddm-theme

[umbral heron]

[wheat plume]

You can install this from the Get New button in sddm settings

[gusty kiln]

Moto also have ready for

Which is a dex alternative

[empty wren]

One of the few companies who cares

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

[umbral heron]

It's beautiful, thank you

[empty wren]

Android desktop mode sucks

[wheat plume]

Do OnePlus update their phones?

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

[empty wren]

They have gotten behind again I think

[gusty kiln]

They are like 3rd on android

[wheat plume]

Their Nord N30 5G is very decent looking for the price

[gusty kiln]

Google, Samsung, then oneplus

But it's a far 3rd

[rough osprey]

Fairphone 🤔

[pale sigil]

Just don't get a pixel 7a

And you'll be golden

And don't listen to Lana

[raw zephyr]

you don't need a display manager.

[wheat plume]

You sure????
Only one major version update

Which means this phone will only get Android 14 and nothing else

[gusty kiln]

From a flagship perspective

[wheat plume]

Oh
The Samsung approach

[gusty kiln]

Budget phones are a wild west

Maybe 1, maybe never

If you want updates go with the big bois

[wheat plume]

You don't need a desktop :p

[pale sigil]

Xiaomi is decent with updates.

Or well we're with my last phone

[wheat plume]

Or go with a phone that gets support from custom roms

[pale sigil]

*last as long as you need it we want it

[wheat plume]

My mix 2S had so much custom roms and kernels it was impossible to try them all out

[gusty kiln]

But why

Just stick to one

[wheat plume]

Yeh...until the next midrange comes out

[pale sigil]

Because Lana xd

[wheat plume]

Got to try some to find the best xf

I stuck with Pixel Experience Plus

My favorite one so far

With twisted kernel 💜

[pale sigil]

I'm bored AF with pixel

So freaking bored

Nothing remotely interesting about it.

[wheat plume]

This is why I picked PE Plus and it regular PE

It's Pixel ROM but extra feature and mods

[pale sigil]

What's the difference

I saw basically none

[wheat plume]

Change pixel launcher icons
More custom ROM features

[pale sigil]

You mean like I can?

Yeet the x

Oh wait this is launcher specific

[vagrant pagoda]

what ap version do you have?

im in the messenger beta

and dont have the option

[rough osprey]

oh there is a Google keynote rn

[pale sigil]

@vagrant pagoda not mine

[gusty kiln]

S23 FE just released today

599 not to bad

[wheat plume]

I need to look up wtf the B gear is cause my aunt asked me about that gear in her car

[rough osprey]

bruh google not streaming in 4k

[steep creek]

lol he has mentioned AI quite a few times

[sharp badger]

Yeah

Will be interesting to see if they have improved the battery on the 8 Pro with the new G3 chip

[steep creek]

for sure

as well as on the watch 2. the first didnt last that long

[sharp badger]

Yeah that too

[wheat plume]

No Android 14 yet xf

Later today ☺️

[rough osprey]

so fake

only apple is allowed to use recycled aluminum

[sharp badger]

But Garmin watches have such good battery life and enough apps for my needs

Lol 24hrs single charge on the Pixel watch 2

[steep creek]

looks promising:)

[rough osprey]

they dont look as good as a pixel watch tho

[gusty kiln]

With aod

[rough osprey]

man having silence is so weird

needs some background sounds

[gusty kiln]

Never been a watch person so eh

[rough osprey]

i might get one if its cheap af on ebay again

like 150

why are the blacks so lifted

[wheat plume]

https://youtube.com/shorts/PKWAThQAdkM

[sharp badger]

I've got the Venu 2 atm. compared to the Pixel Watch and yeah the Pixel watch look better but having a week-long battery greater > Looks imo.

[rough osprey]

if you got a charger on your nightstand it should be fine

[cursive summit]

Uh, no they don't

Price hike to 1000$+ means they don't get it

[pale sigil]

Still using exynos shite

They definitely don't get it

[cursive summit]

Google uses exynos?

[sharp badger]

Yeah

[pale sigil]

Yes

[cursive summit]

Exynos are pretty good anyways so doesn't matter

[pale sigil]

They bad

Battery bad

[cursive summit]

Good

[rough osprey]

so good that samsung doesn't use them

[pale sigil]

Overheating bad

[cursive summit]

Problem with virtually every single chip nowadays

Snapdragon 8 overheats, A17 overheats, Exynos overheats

Not a chip problem, Exynos will be great soon

[rough osprey]

oh still cheap

less go

[sharp badger]

Well the new chip have incorporated FO-WLP packaging so the G3 should run cooler

[steep creek]

ah im not too fond of the subscription, but i guess the price is alright

[gusty kiln]

Finally

[rough osprey]

when they gonna upgrade their media team

[cursive summit]

More AI breakthroughs, wooo https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.02226

[rough osprey]

i love picking up sea glass

[sharp badger]

That Blue colour is so nice

[steep creek]

sweet

[rough osprey]

where titanium

this is so 2022

[sharp badger]

Oh iFixit collab

[steep creek]

alright ill admit thats just awesome

[rough osprey]

💀

[gusty kiln]

Only 60-120hz?

[rough osprey]

ye

[gusty kiln]

Oh nvm

[sharp badger]

Pro with the 1-120hz

[gusty kiln]

Pro is 1-120

[rough osprey]

old samsung vibes

just temperature instead of heartbeat

yo that's not nice

no free trips as a pixel user :(

[gusty kiln]

Google making it easier for us to lie

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUetPQdYJb0

Aww yiss.

[wheat plume]

This UI looks like Android 4.... But with colors

[steep creek]

7 years of os upgrades hah, very nice

[cursive summit]

Oh god what has 7 years of upgrades???

[wheat plume]

Oh lol that was just sent

Ooooo

[cursive summit]

https://www.gsmarena.com/new_pixel_8_and_8_pro_pack_a_tensor_g3_new_ultrawide_cameras-news-60107.php

[cursive summit]

Yeah I'm not buying that

[wheat plume]

They said it on the keynote

[cursive summit]

And I'm not buying

[wheat plume]

Why?

[cursive summit]

7 years of updates

[wheat plume]

Well....likely the battery will be cooked by then

[crisp granite]

15 pro better

[wheat plume]

So you'd have to upgrade in less than 7

[astral haven]

batteries are often replaceable

[cursive summit]

2,000 nits peak brightness? Tf kind of panel is this

[astral haven]

how many years of upgrades does apple guarantee 😛

[astral haven]

samsung

[cursive summit]

I wonder why.. literally cause of OS upgrades lol

[wheat plume]

4

[pale sigil]

Sheesh

30w charge

[cursive summit]

23W wireless lol

Cause they can't be arsed to do 40

[astral haven]

wireless over 15 is kinda alot

[cursive summit]

So they actually priced their shit at 1000$

128GB Google Pixel 8 Pro is €1,100/$1,000

[gusty kiln]

Is the 7 years only for 8/8 pro going forward?

[cursive summit]

Talk about being in touch

[astral haven]

seems like it

[gusty kiln]

Wonder if anything in the g3 will help the aging

[astral haven]

🤷 really all you need is software

unless we tear out lte and 5g in the next 7 years

[cursive summit]

Oh shit the SoC kinda slaps

[pale sigil]

Does it though

[cursive summit]

Cortex-X3, four Cortex-A715 and four Cortex-A510

Triple core design

Cortex X3 is kinda nice

[astral haven]

715 and 510 arent great tho

[sharp badger]

Kinda yeah

[gusty kiln]

What's the battery life claim?

[cursive summit]

But yeah it's 1100$ for the flagship, still probably going to suck compared to snapdragon 8 gen 3, and has 7 years of software updates lol

Not buying it

[pale sigil]

That screen though

[cursive summit]

4,575mAh which is on the lower end but depends on the SoC

I bet that soc will suck major watts

[pale sigil]

That's the none pron

[astral haven]

48MP 5x camera!!!
thats a 12mp 10x!!!

[cursive summit]

OLED, 120Hz, HDR10+, 1600 nits (HBM), 2400 nits (peak)

So, about the same as Sony

[pale sigil]

Just nice to see in a pixel phone

[cursive summit]

Except I think it gets 10+ over Sony's HDR10, which I don't think matters for much

No headphone jack.. eh

[astral haven]

huge shocker /s

[cursive summit]

Yeah this is just dead for me on arrival, still looking into that Xperia market

Well this is new

I think I read somewhere that OP are making a foldable

But that camera design looks atrocious

[reef patrol]

Pray tell compared to what?

[cursive summit]

That does look better

[reef patrol]

[sharp badger]

Well there's this video out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWclrhYkRn0

[cursive summit]

Ngl though, I would buy a cheaper phone with no camera

[sharp badger]

But it'll probably look like that

[cursive summit]

I wonder if they'll ever make a smartphone with no camera

That'd be a fun buy

[astral haven]

it does in fact look pretty good in person
Now nothing anywhere near as good looking as the s21 series but they tried

[wheat plume]

No front camera
I'd buy it

[cursive summit]

No cameras at all

[pale sigil]

Someone say no front camera

Where do I sign up

[wheat plume]

Xd yes

[cursive summit]

No cameras, 2 years of updates and 5 years or security, Snapdragon 8 gen 3, 3.5mm jack, SD card slot

[astral haven]

folding phone

[cursive summit]

THAT is a phone

[sharp badger]

Was thinking of buying that 1+ Open but went with the S23U and i've been very happy with it

[steep creek]

i like that they offer either the watch or earbuds for free

[sharp badger]

Still it's only 45w charging though

[wheat plume]

oo....what is that?

[pale sigil]

The earbuds are nothing special

[cursive summit]

It's called a cable

Might have never seen one before, but there it is

[wheat plume]

but it has a screen, its a special cable

[pale sigil]

I showed you the one I got Lana

[steep creek]

i believe that. if i were to buy the pixel, i'd go for watch

[pale sigil]

Idk why you're surprised

[cursive summit]

I am surprised you can never just google https://chinaplanets.com/baseus-100-watt-cable-1/

20 bucks lol

That's pretty good

[pale sigil]

That's because cables are dirt cheap to make

And it's from China

[cursive summit]

Which china

Taiwan or terrorists?

[pale sigil]

But also the design isn't unique

[reef patrol]

[pale sigil]

There are a few cables with the exact same design

[cursive summit]

Baseus is at least a company even I know about

So, seems good enough

[wheat plume]

...much money ;-;

[cursive summit]

That's the basic 8??

[wheat plume]

ye

[cursive summit]

Not even the pro version?

Yeah Google's lost its marbles

[wheat plume]

what?

I selected the regular 8

I dont want the Pro

They have the offer for the Pro too

[cursive summit]

You dumbnut it's 1000 euros for the basic version

[wheat plume]

well 800 for the basic one

still too much

[cursive summit]

The cool thing like 2-3 years back was when someone asked for a good phone, the answer was just get a Pixel 5 or 6 Pro

[gusty kiln]

The watch is included in that price

[cursive summit]

It was like 500$

Now they are 1000$ over lol

Tf is Google doink

[wheat plume]

no its not

its 170 extra

[gusty kiln]

Yeah that's what I'm saying

Basic 8 is not nearly 1000

[ashen spindle]

wow that.. is a surprisingly clever way to have code out without people being able to build what you do lol @astral haven

[gusty kiln]

The price of the watch is on that price

[wheat plume]

OH WAIT

the watch is free with the Pro

[gusty kiln]

Yes

[astral haven]

lmao

[gusty kiln]

The buds are free with the basic 8

[cursive summit]

So you get a shitty watch and shitty buds?

[wheat plume]

no, you pick one

either watch or buds

[cursive summit]

These phones aren't worth more than 800$ it feels like

[gusty kiln]

Paying for the os updates

[cursive summit]

*phone slowdown

[ashen spindle]

you do know if it slows down the phone you dont have to update? last I checked it doesnt force install phone updates

[cursive summit]

They kinda do

It used to be pretty easy to disable the update module

[wheat plume]

They dont though

[cursive summit]

Google removed that

[wheat plume]

you can ignore the update

[cursive summit]

Ignore a popup that is forever in the taskbar?

That you can't close?

Yeah very nice, thanks

[ashen spindle]

less update options = better is a weird tinfoil take

[cursive summit]

Less android version updates = better

There's no argument against it

[wheat plume]

security patches are good

[cursive summit]

I am completely fine with security updates

They are very much crucial

But android version upgrades are nothing but just slowdowns waiting to happen for virtually no gain

[wheat plume]

does the same apply to iPhone?

Or are you saying that on iPhone its immune to slowdown?

[cursive summit]

From what I read today, apparently Apple has a history of nerfing SoC clocks

So yes, same applies to Apple

[ashen spindle]

a history of a one time case?

[wheat plume]

yes, apple do it INTENTIONALLY

Android does not

[ashen spindle]

when updates are able to just not be installed?

[cursive summit]

You tell yourself that sweet summer child

[wheat plume]

iPhone or Android dont automatically reboot your phone to apply an update like a Windows PC does, so you can just ignore the update

[cursive summit]

Yet they are predatory af cause they are forever in the taskbar, you can't get rid of them, and if you just accidentally click on the update notification, the device just installs the updates anyways

[ashen spindle]

literally not the case for iphone updates

[cursive summit]

You can in theory but they will really pester you with that damn notification

There's absolutely no way to say no to updates

Unless you root

[wheat plume]

iPhone forces updates?

[steep creek]

afaik you can disable battery throttling on iphones

[ashen spindle]

no iphone has no notifcation like it that triggers vex is what I mean

[wheat plume]

iPhone does send a notification for updates

[ashen spindle]

there isnt a permanent update notification

[wheat plume]

oh

you still get one, and a permanent (1) marker on your settings home page

[ashen spindle]

no

[cursive summit]

Like, my Tab S8 just has a permanent notification for updates for weeks now

Even after I followed like 10 different guides to disable system modules for those

They are stiill automatically installed and notification is just there, forever in the taskbar

Same shit with my Poco X3

[wheat plume]

Android can automatically download an update but not automatically apply one

[cursive summit]

How about they stop downloading it?

I don't fuckin want your updates

[wheat plume]

you can do that

[cursive summit]

Root only

[ashen spindle]

I've had a popup for ios17 and never got around to update and forgot about it because there literally isnt a notification for it anywhere

[cursive summit]

There are specific addresses you need to blacklist to stop the phone from pinging

Afaik that's a root feature

[cursive summit]

What do you think that solves

It's almost like you weren't following the conversation

[empty wren]

Unlike iPhones vex you have a lot more freedom, heck if you root your phone bye bye ota

[cursive summit]

Pretty sure my Tab S8 is unrootable

And I can't be bothered to root my Poco

[astral haven]

thats never true

it can be irreversible root

most samsungs are irreversible root

[wheat plume]

you cant root Samsungs due to Knox

right?

[cursive summit]

Shafted by shitty security features yay

[empty wren]

Disable both of these vex

[astral haven]

knox is a feature that you can disable

you just cant turn it back on ever

[cursive summit]

Those are disabled bud

[wheat plume]

Android 14 drops at 6pm <3

[cursive summit]

But the notification doesn't go away

It's just forever in upper left taskbar

[empty wren]

Have you tried to disable notifications for that app

[wheat plume]

^

[cursive summit]

That is impossible

[wheat plume]

what system app is it?

[cursive summit]

It's a google app so they don't allow to disable it nor disable notis

[astral haven]

yea so you just need to root it then

[empty wren]

Actually not google

[cursive summit]

What phone is that

[empty wren]

Rog phone 6 but again unless you have a pixel it is not Google is my point

[cursive summit]

I have 2 devices, one a Samsung and other running MiUI

So they function very differently

[wheat plume]

I sont have that app

[astral haven]

if you have a full stock samsung phone it also prevents you from disabling the update notifications

[empty wren]

Open the update screen, go to the recenta page

[astral haven]

but you just need to root it lmao

[wheat plume]

thats the samsung updater, not googles

on your screenshot

[empty wren]

Go to the system update page in settings lana

[cursive summit]

Different phones, different experience mate

[astral haven]

actually you dont even need root, just break knox and it shouldnt update

[empty wren]

Go to recents

Hold the app icon there then you can go that apps notifications

[astral haven]

system update doesnt show up like that

[empty wren]

Well what does it look like for yall

[wheat plume]

I can turn it off

[empty wren]

I do not expect the same exact app but something akin

[sharp badger]

https://www.amazon.de/Braided-Charging-Display-MacBook-Samsung/dp/B09HC4K3KP/ref=mp_s_a_1_1 It's this one, Soopii

[empty wren]

Try categories

[astral haven]

updates are greyed out

[cursive summit]

What categories

[empty wren]

Well that is just nice

[astral haven]

you need to root to get rid of em

[empty wren]

One ui?

[astral haven]

yup

[empty wren]

Snapdragon or exynos?

[astral haven]

snapdragon but its the same in this case

[empty wren]

Alright

[astral haven]

you can root around this issue but I like wallet and android has added all the features i would have rooted for in the past

[empty wren]

Snapdragon is tough anyways

Never understood why Samsung decides to block root on it and happily allow bootloader unlocking on exynos

[astral haven]

its still always been easy

[empty wren]

Well on snapdragon you probably need an android expolit

[astral haven]

🤷 however its found, its always been available within a year of release

[empty wren]

Also it is unfortunate safety net is more annoying to deal with

Though I have been writing past signed version information on my past pixel 3 xl to bypass it

[astral haven]

🤷 tradeoffs, but it generally isnt nescessary

[empty wren]

And sometimes it would also break so I need a different signed version

[empty wren]

I feel as if root is less exciting than it was before though

We have so many apis leading to the root past features

[astral haven]

exactly!

but the key thing is @cursive summit
the phone is not like a computer
the rom is designed for the phone, and the phone rom is complete, including the os and drivers
to mix and match OS versions and security versions, you need to create separate roms for each OS version
And vendors dont do that (usually)

[empty wren]

Well some of them are built kinda poor on the next build and nightlies are a 50/50 toss

Security updates though are spot on

[astral haven]

i meant officially

[empty wren]

Oh okay

[astral haven]

unofficially is the way to go if you want a feature from an old android version

[empty wren]

Separate kernel is also ideal

[astral haven]

but that has another whole set of issues

[empty wren]

And kernel manager

[empty wren]

Correct me if I am wrong but these modern custom firmwares are basically clones of each other?

LineagOS is probably the exception since it is bare

And also graphene os

[cursive summit]

Ooooohttps://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-7900m-high-end-mobile-navi-31-gpu-featuring-72-rdna3-cus-set-to-launch-on-october-19

High end Radeon for mobiles

Lol so was this the reason GRE exists

Just a random chinese launch

[astral haven]

uh no

[empty wren]

When threadripper in samsung

[cursive summit]

It's just a high end mobile chip

[astral haven]

gre exists because its illegal to export a certain speed of chip to china

im pretty sure 7900xtx is over the limit

[cursive summit]

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/wireStory/softbanks-son-ai-surpass-human-intelligence-decade-urges-103716619

Ah it's this guy

That nearly ruined his company

But it's already surpassed human intelligence so adopting it early is very wise

[astral haven]

yea well have you seen the new microsoft paper on gpt-4V?

[cursive summit]

https://www.techspot.com/news/100379-ibm-foresees-no-layoffs-programmers-due-ai-company.html

I hope they don't overhire lol, not the first time IBM would have major layoffs

[astral haven]

also if this doesnt scare you, i dunno what to say https://www.deepmind.com/blog/scaling-up-learning-across-many-different-robot-types

literally just plugging an llm into a robot and feeding it data from other random robots makes them significantly more performant on every benchmark but 1

and it is significantly more performant than their previous version, but it is only state of the art on 5/6 of their robotics benchmarks

[young pecan]

This doesn't even remotely scare me.

BRING ON THE AI OVERLORDS! >:D

[astral haven]

reread it if it doesnt scare you

[young pecan]

I mean yeah I did. Not scared.

[cursive summit]

What are we talking about

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/10/googles-claim-that-search-users-have-choice-is-bogus-microsoft-ceo-tells-judge/

[astral haven]

read the article @cursive summit

[steep creek]

im only talking about the robot, it seems really cool. can aid people with disabilities / motoric issues

[young pecan]

Like plug LLM into robot for boost in perf. It's a general purpose LLM enabled robot.

I don't see the fear so far. It's just better again.

[cursive summit]

What robots are we talking about? Robots are cool

[astral haven]

general purpose human replacement robots

[young pecan]

And? Have you not been aware this is coming?

[astral haven]

improving year over year at the rate of software

[steep creek]

i am talking about this one vex

[young pecan]

It was my understanding that everyone knew this for the last 5 years.

[cursive summit]

Yeah I don't see that

Link?

[young pecan]

https://www.deepmind.com/blog/scaling-up-learning-across-many-different-robot-types

[steep creek]

oh hah https://www.deepmind.com/blog/scaling-up-learning-across-many-different-robot-types

[cursive summit]

Ahh this

[astral haven]

just because i know that a nuke is happening, doesnt mean we shouldnt stop it from being dropped

[cursive summit]

Yeah robots will be pretty insane soon

Detroit Become Human will be reality at some point

[astral haven]

detroit become human would be a good ending lel

[cursive summit]

But tbf I think that AGI androids are.. a good solution to all of our problems

They can farm, they can butler, they can do all the monotonous work, go to war or whatever

[young pecan]

Honestly? I'm fine with better robots. What happens? Everyone stops being able to work because there's no reason to work anymore? Oh no, if only we had some massively abundant pool of resources floating in a belt in close range of earth that can be harvested automagically to just kinda solve economy by providing everything for free for everyone.

When we have functionally infinite resources and energy then... who cares?

It's a sandbox at that stage.

[astral haven]

sure but how do we stop the most powerful ai from wiping the entire planet clean to do whatever it was trained to do?

remember we still have no theory for how to make an ai do what we want

[young pecan]

I mean how do you do that with people? Same answer.

[cursive summit]

Well we just need to figure out how to make everything replenishable, cause afaik we don't have infinite water and shit

We need FTL travel!

[astral haven]

how could that possibly work?

[young pecan]

You teach it and when it's fucked you punish it.

Doy.

There's not a good alternative answer.

[astral haven]

and what happens when you are incapable of punishing it?

if it is more capable than you, you wont be able to punish it any more

[young pecan]

Then reality is fucked. Fortunately we can look a little further ahead than that.

[cursive summit]

Are you lot back to some AI doomsday scenarios?

[empty wren]

Watch the new mission impossible movie to find out?

[astral haven]

sure but how do we get from where we are to the good future?

[young pecan]

Of course he is. It's easy to point and scream gray goo, much harder to put in the leg work to think about how to not fuck up.

[cursive summit]

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/10/03/apple-preparing-ios-17-0-3/ Weee

[cursive summit]

Yeah I had enough of that

[young pecan]

Same way we've achieved everything else. Effort, thought, care, and persistence.

[astral haven]

ah but people are working as hard as possible to grey goo us, and not funding the folks that are thinking about the issue

the understanding of SOTA AI is decreasing over time not increasing

GPT2 is still not fully understood

we can barely mess around with it slightly on very narrow topics

[young pecan]

Not worried still. This is the latest in a long line of problems that will have a solution like everything else has had a solution. Or we die and I'm gonna be engaging in a life of pure debauchery for fun.

Whatever happens I've already won life so I don't really care.

[astral haven]

sure but how do we get the solution before the problem happens?

[young pecan]

People smarter than me solving it in a lab.

[astral haven]

but the people rushing towards the problem are moving faster and with a thousand times the funding or more

[steep creek]

Lol I just updated all my stuff to .0.2 hm

[young pecan]

And that's not my problem. I do systems admin shit, not LLM shit.

And honestly? I trust highly trained and capable specialists to inform everyone, and so far the information I've seen is "There's no way to stop this, so we're working on solutions in the meantime and hoping it's enough".

[astral haven]

sure, but socially encouraging the people rushing is definetly an unethical thing to do regardless of the morality

[young pecan]

Oh morality can go fuck off. I follow the centrist George Carlin approach. I don't much care what happens so long as I'm entertained and interested, and so far this circus is quite an interesting one indeed.

[astral haven]

read a few tweets from Yann Le'Cun

[young pecan]

Yeah this all checks out. It's why I don't really care all that much. It's not my field, it's his. I trust him to solve it without my intervention.

[astral haven]

he doesnt want to solve it tho

[cursive summit]

@young pecanStop spamming my tech talk feed

But anyways https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/armstrong/nasa-studies-human-pilots-to-advance-autonomous-air-taxis/

More AI

[astral haven]

like if lecun was solving it, great

he wants to let it do its own thing replacing all of humanity

[young pecan]

Again, not really my problem since I have neither the knowledge nor care to try and solve it. I'll trust others to do so that have a vested interest in such activities.

[astral haven]

sure but he the leader of the #3 best funded ai lab, and he believes that whatever it wants by default will be right regardless of how well we do teaching it

https://arxiv.org/abs/1606.06565

[astral haven]

zero progress has been made on any of these problems

from 2016!

[young pecan]

I mean so far I'm really not seeing that echoed in his tweets. Seeing a lot of keep AI raw, don't limit the AI with safety prompts by default, etc.

[cursive summit]

https://9to5mac.com/2023/10/04/iphone-15-usb-a-to-usb-c-cable/

[astral haven]

yea go back some time

[cursive summit]

What's the point of a C-to-A cable

[young pecan]

Instead what I'm seeing is limit AI tools with the tool itself, that general sentiment.

[reef patrol]

Plugging into PC, plugging into third part chargers?

[cursive summit]

Nor macs nor macbooks use A

[young pecan]

How much time is some time?

[reef patrol]

It's funny how I mentioned neither you fuck 😛

[cursive summit]

Charger bricks is the only one that makes sense, but some charging bricks are C already

[cursive summit]

Those are PCs too you dumb duck

[reef patrol]

No those are Macs. Just ask Apple.

[cursive summit]

Ah so a matter of semantics

[young pecan]

Macccximum definition of a PC?

[reef patrol]

Intentional semantics.

[cursive summit]

PCs have USB-C ports anyways so idgaf

A is dead

USB-C is the future

[reef patrol]

C is still quite rare in number.

[cursive summit]

Macs, macbooks are universally C, some charging bricks are now C, virtually every single modern motherboard has C

Just adopt C

[reef patrol]

Wake me up when there's as much C as A on your run of the mill Intel/AMD motherboard, and we'll talk.

[cursive summit]

Why's that a problem?

[coarse cloak]

hopefully never (dont want C to be the standard for my pcs)

[young pecan]

Gonna let you rub some spare brain cells together to work out why this is a dumbfuck thing to even think.

[cursive summit]

You just leave your C permanently plugged in?

[reef patrol]

But you needed that for other C devices.

I can plug my 60HE into my one and only C port. But there's no point.

[cursive summit]

Name me a single device that has USB-C for a PC that you leave permanently plugged in, Mansen

60HE is C-to-A though

[reef patrol]

Only by default.

[young pecan]

He's not wrong. Basically any new or modernish PC I'm looking at has USB C. Most keyboards use C on the device end, most charging cases for earbuds and whatnot are using C, most new pointer stuff uses C, most headsets use C or audio plugs, etc etc.

[reef patrol]

You just told everyone to colllectively adapt to C. 😛

[astral haven]

displays are now switching to C

[cursive summit]

Indeed

[cursive summit]

pointer stuff?

[coarse cloak]

not buying a new motherboard for that
nor adapters

[young pecan]

Most ports consist of A only because A is considered the widely used standard even though most devices are changing to C and supplying C to A cables as an act of 'compatibility' that only exists because it exists. Turbo brain damaged take you have, sir.

Not complex.

Here.

[cursive summit]

It'll become universal soon anyways so everyone will make that jump

[young pecan]

This was in reference to what was said earlier about motherboards, which has broken logic.

[cursive summit]

Can't wait to see every single mini usb to die off

[young pecan]

So yes, they have A because they have A. Cool?

[astral haven]

yea it takes some time to transition

[coarse cloak]

oh yeah no, when it happens i'll switch, but rn or next year? am good

[cursive summit]

Just do it

[coarse cloak]

[cursive summit]

Shia asks you to make your dreams come true

[coarse cloak]

99% of my shit is USB A rn

[astral haven]

a big problem with C for end users (and a reason it will stay unavailable for desktops) is that computers dont have enough IO to support a full array of usb c ports

[cursive summit]

Pretty sure high transfer USB is now completely USB-C

Best USB-A is like 3.1?

3.2, gen 2, 2x2, 4, etc are all C

So the jump will be mandatory soon

[astral haven]

people will be very unhappy if they have to search for the remaining usb port that works
if they run out of ports, it gets incredibly expensive, and on a desktop you do want a ton of low speed ports

if my keyboard takes up a 40gbps port, thats a complete waste

[coarse cloak]

just bring back stuff like this

with 10 of them being usb c, problem solved

[cursive summit]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-fat-walking-pixelated-gif-17789699

Tf is that cursed abomination

[coarse cloak]

eggsactly

[astral haven]

ah but then you have to search for the 3 ports that are wired for video

[coarse cloak]

[marsh glade]

May I offer you a pixel in this trying time?

[young pecan]

Might crash the mainframe if you make it render that again.

[marsh glade]

That gif couldn't render its way out of a paperbag

[cursive summit]

I hope you have a bad case of gonorrhea

I am not buying a Pixel phone

[marsh glade]

Pixels are the best midrange phones on the market, sooo your loss

[cursive summit]

Midrange?

[marsh glade]

By a country mile

[cursive summit]

Yes, Mark, they used to be great midrange phones

[marsh glade]

Well yes, flagships are for suckers

[cursive summit]

Absolutely wonderful midrange phones

Not anymore

Fuckers

[marsh glade]

6a best bang for buck

[cursive summit]

Basic 8 costs same as 7 Pro used to

[marsh glade]

fite me

[cursive summit]

Shite SoC

Not even sure what's good at midrange anymore

Midrange is just kinda dead

[marsh glade]

I'll give you a hint

[cursive summit]

Apple is dropping their midrange, Poco is dead so

[marsh glade]

It starts with Pi

And ends with xel

[cursive summit]

Raspberry Pi? That's a pretty good midrange

[astral haven]

names the lowest end device as a midranger
Galaxy brain

[cursive summit]

Pixel 8 series is in no sense of the word a "midrange" anymore

They are now high end phones with the current pricing

[marsh glade]

I genuienly don't understand why anyone would buy a "current gen" phone

[cursive summit]

Phones are a fashion accessory, a vanity item

[marsh glade]

I sure as heck aren't considering the 8 a midrange

[cursive summit]

So, why not?

It'll last you like 4 years

[marsh glade]

So will my 6a

[cursive summit]

Assuming you don't install system updates

[marsh glade]

For a third the price

[cursive summit]

🙂

Eh

You ain't wrong

No person really needs anything more than a 399$ midrange

It's just.. nice to have?

[marsh glade]

Hence...... Pixel 😛

[cursive summit]

Some peeps need cameras, others game (which is a pretty dumb thing)

[marsh glade]

Can't go wrong with a €350 pixel

[cursive summit]

There are far better buys at 350 than a pixel

[marsh glade]

Nahh

[cursive summit]

Mm.. yes

[gusty kiln]

KingnovyPC NAS Motherboard N5105,4 Port i226/ i225 2.5GbE LAN,M.2 NVMe, 6SATA3.0,2DDR4, 1*PCIe4.0, Mini ITX Soft Router VPN Openwrt Barebone Micro Appliance DIY https://a.co/d/gvE93TY

[cursive summit]

KingnovyPC NAS Motherboard N5105,4 Port i226/ i225 2.5GbE LAN,M.2 NVMe, 6SATA3.0,2DDR4, 1*PCIe4.0, Mini ITX Soft Router VPN Openwrt Barebone Micro Appliance DIY

[coarse cloak]

yes

[halcyon moss]

Name one non China phone

[sharp badger]

What do people think of the Temperature sensor on the 8 Pro?

[astral haven]

n5105 isnt great, should be some stuff with the new n100 or even n300 that should be alot faster

[cursive summit]

I might hate myself for this, but Nothing 1 is fine

Even though I despise the design

[sharp badger]

How about Motorola?

[cursive summit]

Chinese

[coarse cloak]

does stuff that gets manufactured in China or uses parts that are manufactured in China count?

[gusty kiln]

Would be nice, hopefully soon some random Chinese company does it