🔌│tech

[wheat plume]

It sends the movement data at a constant rate

[gusty kiln]

It's not razer but pixart

[wheat plume]

True

[gusty kiln]

All 3395 sensors have that feature

[wheat plume]

Even from other brands?

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

[wheat plume]

But do they use it?

[gusty kiln]

Most do

It's yet another marketing feature that has to be checked off nowadays

[wheat plume]

Aha

[old marlin]

motion sync kinda sucks tbh

usually it just ends up meaning that sensor data is delayed one poll

[astral haven]

🤷 always a tradeoff between accuracy and smoothness
especially when converting refresh rates

Raw sensor mice when lel

usb has plenty of bandwidth for sending the raw image data these days

[wheat plume]

Ooo Kde Connect can show the thumbnail image now!

[cedar vine]

does anyone here know if you can use any cable with the logitech dongles or does it have to be the one from the box?

[astral haven]

any usb extension cable will work

as long as the extension actually works ofc

[wheat plume]

It's nice they give you one though
If your computer is really far from your desk

[astral haven]

its extremely rare that it is needed

[gusty kiln]

I actually use mine for my monitor kvm

So i can swap out keyboard and mice easily

[astral haven]

for a wireless dongle?

[gusty kiln]

Yeah sometime I take my wireless mouse with me with my laptop

[astral haven]

ah fair enough

i just have a mouse collecting problem so i have enough mice for each device

[gusty kiln]

Kek

[wheat plume]

Everything he sets up always has a dang Harry Potter reference... Xddf

[coarse cloak]

🤔

[astral haven]

or coffee

[wheat plume]

Yep

[astral haven]

dude shills his coffee as hard as linus shills his store 🤣

[wheat plume]

Ikr :')

Too bad I don't drink coffee

If I did, I'd compare Jacksepticeye coffee with his and see what I like better

I need a Pi 5

[astral haven]

no you dont

[wheat plume]

I want a Pi 5

[astral haven]

😁

[wheat plume]

Make it into a server

But I'd have to leave it at my aunt's house to use her router and then somehow connect to it from home

[astral haven]

cloudflared for the win

[wheat plume]

O?

[astral haven]

google cloudflare tunnels

[wheat plume]

Raspberry Pi going Apple mode making their own CPUs now ahha

[astral haven]

😁

cloudflare for the win

[coarse cloak]

this is tech related
what's the best pizza topping combo (3)

[astral haven]

uh no

[wheat plume]

.....ssh via web browser?? Damn neat

[coarse cloak]

ok thats cool

[wheat plume]

I want my own website for shit like this 😢

[astral haven]

and if you visit it, you wont be able to get in (hopefully)

nor will you even see my IP address when you try to connect (also hopefully)

[reef patrol]

Chicken, bacon and cheese.

[wheat plume]

Hard boiled eggs, pineapple slices and mayo

/jk

[astral haven]

$12 a year or less

[marsh glade]

./ban Lana

[wheat plume]

Xd

[wheat plume]

Ooo

[astral haven]

cloudflare is free, my sites are hosted on google, and although I do pay for google, I dont have to for this

esp if you use a pi

[wheat plume]

The day I get a WiFi router will be glorious

We got up to all sorts of shit in the house we rented for college on the router there :')

We had 2 Pis
We had my old desktop acting as 2 Minecraft servers AND a Linux dev environment all on one machine

It was great

[astral haven]

cloudflared will pass through firewalls by directly connecting to cloudflare

[wheat plume]

Makes Sense

[astral haven]

yup
most online instructions will include that by default

[wheat plume]

The power button on the Pi 5 works like a laptop power button...good

It pops up logout options on the desktop when you press it while the system is on

Idk why I thought it would just immediately shut down

Wanna see what other OS options the Pi has

PiNAS is a funny word

[astral haven]

keep in mind alot of stuff assumes rasbian

[wheat plume]

Yep...

He no like the Pi keyboard

I assume it's the same keyboard the 400 is built inside of?

[astral haven]

🤷
also wtf apple
the reduce motion option doesnt make navigating faster
but when theres no animation of the same length as the original it just pauses for a quarter second before playing a quick fade animation

[wheat plume]

Oh....there is A, B and C models of the Pi 5??
And do each of those have the 4 and 8 GB ram options too???

That's 6 configurations
Don't seem right?

[astral haven]

i havent seen A and C pi5s?

[wheat plume]

This says model b and idk why

[astral haven]

B is like "itx" or "atx"

its a board shape

[cursive summit]

Oh shit how did I miss this

https://github.com/microsoft/autogen

From the first look it seems like a very similar approach to what was it, autoGPT?

Just self-iteration

But seems quite a bit more complex than that

Really good stuff

Self-iteration gives better results

[astral haven]

ai safety experts

"LLMS are safe because they arent agentic"
Microsoft and literally every other ai project
turns them into agentic systems

[wheat plume]

In theory you can have 4 displays on the Pi 5

The two hdmi ports and the two cam/disp connectors

[astral haven]

that does depend on the internals, its possible the hdmis are sharing resources

[cursive summit]

cam/disp?

[cursive summit]

What on earth it that

[wheat plume]

Idk xd

[cursive summit]

Yeah idk either

[astral haven]

board to board (flex) connectors

[cursive summit]

Looks like some bootleg vga shit

[astral haven]

very normal for internal video signals

[wheat plume]

They are for cameras and things

[cursive summit]

How do you even connect a camera to that

And wtf does disp stand for? Display?

So camera to display?

[astral haven]

with a flexible cable

its camera or display

switchable

[cursive summit]

EY answer me don't leave me hanging fool

[wheat plume]

Idk how to use them either XD

[cursive summit]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-you-had-one-job-loki-tom-hiddleson-gif-11509538

[wheat plume]

But the new official pi camera can connect to them

[astral haven]

you buy the device and it plugs into the port

[thick elk]

Having two camera ports allows for some easier stereoscopic setups

[cursive summit]

What did you mean btw with the "raspberry are making their own chips" earlier

Pi 5 is still using some Cortex-A76 or something

[thick elk]

or if you want something with two displays connected to emulate a nintendo ds.

of course you could also go the hdmi route

[astral haven]

yep but hdmi connectors are lorge, these flex connectors can fit within the height of a tiny case

[cursive summit]

Huh, they are designing their own I/O controllers

Wooting might want to hit Raspberry up for a partnership at some point

[thick elk]

Still the primary reason from what I heard was people wanting to run a stereoscopic camera setup.

[astral haven]

yep, and now you can do a stereoscopic camera and display setup!

pi vr headset when lel

[thick elk]

I have to puke thinking about that one.

[astral haven]

using the facebook tech it could actually be awesome

problem is the sensors facebook uses for optical perspective correction are an absolutely horrific amount of money lel

https://mixed-news.com/en/meta-shows-flamera-passthrough-ar-headset-prototype-at-siggraph/

but they require practically zero processing power since the perspective correction is optical

at least relative to the amount of power needed for the q2 or vision pro

[wheat plume]

Pi 5 cooling

[halcyon moss]

We've seen jef geerlings vid

[wheat plume]

Good xd

[pale sigil]

I mean tbf

[astral haven]

or any of the other hundred videos lel

[halcyon moss]

You shared it right? But you have so many questions that he answered in his void

[pale sigil]

I got my fan and case of AliExpress

And it did a very good job

Be cool to see how much pi5 is

[gusty kiln]

60/80

4gb/8gb

[halcyon moss]

Heatsink is fine for most applications it sounds like

[pale sigil]

Christ that's far from the pricing of the pi4

[halcyon moss]

You generally don't run these at full tilt

[halcyon moss]

It's not, 5 more

[astral haven]

starts at 4gb

pi4 had less ram (optionally)

[wheat plume]

Watching a 4k video puts it into full tilt already

[gusty kiln]

Not since the shortage

[astral haven]

also that but even msrp

[halcyon moss]

Oh, you want it as a media center kinda thing

[astral haven]

yea thats just the wrong device for that

grab one of the intel n100 boards

[gusty kiln]

Any cheap nas with an Intel cpu will do as well

[wheat plume]

Specifically Intel?

[halcyon moss]

Pi for me is homeserver territory.

[astral haven]

wellll, can highly recommend against the older celerons and pentiums

[halcyon moss]

Yes, media engine

[wheat plume]

Oh

[gusty kiln]

Synology started using amd, but without the igpu

[astral haven]

the n100 is intels newest generation, and its incredibly cheap and super efficient

[halcyon moss]

That's why I got a precious gen one heh

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

[gusty kiln]

Yeah, the DS920 got scooped up fast

[astral haven]

the n300 is 8 cores but doesnt really fit on a pi sized sbc because of how much more power it can consume

[pale sigil]

My nas is 512mb ram xd

[gusty kiln]

any link to embedded mobos?

[astral haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5_sBF2d9tI
idk should be one here

dunno if its truly released yet

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

I see some embedded ones on asrock website

Would be best for diy nas

Just need a m.2 sata daughter board

[pale sigil]

Is that casually playing Skyrim

[astral haven]

There are a few minipcs online if you just want a media center

Yep

[pale sigil]

Wouldn't say cheap

But I also can't find it

In the UK

Or is it even out

[astral haven]

Dunno

But brand new complete systems are under 200

[pale sigil]

Oh

This isn't an Intel sold machine

Just Intel CPU

[astral haven]

https://a.co/d/3Qs3rVj

[pale sigil]

Hmm

Might actually be a decent option for me tbh

I want to move away from using my desktop outside of gaming

[halcyon moss]

Why

[astral haven]

Uh no, this is nooooot for gaming

Oh I misread nvm

[gusty kiln]

Better to get the 7840u mini pc for gaming

[pale sigil]

Not for gaming

[gusty kiln]

But that's much more expensive

[pale sigil]

Me wants to stop using my desktop

[halcyon moss]

Why move to a single board?

[pale sigil]

Hmm?

[gusty kiln]

Samsung dex

[halcyon moss]

Kek

[pale sigil]

Don't have Samsung kek

[halcyon moss]

But why use a small desktop pc instead of your desktop pc

[astral haven]

Meirl

[halcyon moss]

Why yyyyy @pale sigil

[astral haven]

Tbh it makes sense if you have a phone without video out

Gaming pcs use a ton of power and make alot of room heat to just watch YouTube videos

[halcyon moss]

My s21u has it, but only does 1080p 😭

[astral haven]

My s21u can do 4k60 lel

Get a better dock

[halcyon moss]

Huh, maybe just not 1440p then?

[astral haven]

It does 1440p as well

[halcyon moss]

It's the one in the screen it self

[astral haven]

That is strange

The s21u only supports dp1.2

[halcyon moss]

And I use it daily with my laptop and even displayport daisy chained

[astral haven]

Yea it's probably your monitor only supporting 2 lanes for video

Or you haven't turned on the high res option

Gives you a warning about overheating

[halcyon moss]

Never seen that option

[pale sigil]

Power but also because I want to separate my shit.

And fuck Nvidia

Because I can't even run Linux without hassle

[astral haven]

https://apps.samsung.com/appquery/appDetail.as?appId=com.samsung.android.goodlock
Install this
Then install multistar, then open i♥️dex

[gusty kiln]

Kinda crazy that Google haven't introduced a desktop mode yet

[astral haven]

They have it it's just broken

[gusty kiln]

Oh rip

[astral haven]

But their phones don't have video on the port so you can't use it with their devices

[gusty kiln]

Oof

A desktop mode is now a requirement for me in a phone

And very few companies have it

[pale sigil]

I considered my steam deck

But it's been a shit experience

[astral haven]

You say that but it's no hastle on most distros

At least by user count

[halcyon moss]

Installed.. Ik try tomorrow

[astral haven]

Tbh alot have them

[gusty kiln]

I only know of motorola, xaomi, and I think oneplus

[halcyon moss]

I've ran a dual laptop with Nvidia for years.. It works.. It's not great but it works..
Amd dual gpu is no fun either

[gusty kiln]

Maybe more Chinese companies now

[astral haven]

Sure but who relevant doesn't have one besides apple who is getting it soon

Sure it's gonna be an awful experience but it will exisg

[astral haven]

Yea dual laptop isn't great, but that's also a resolvable problem

Unless you want battery life aaand performance

[gusty kiln]

Just mean that I'm probably staying with samsung next upgrade

[astral haven]

Im hoping I can go sony

[gusty kiln]

Importing?

[astral haven]

What?

[terse thorn]

is using a usb-c to usb-c faster than the cord in the box?

[gusty kiln]

I think I saw somewhere that the Sony phone isn't coming to the us

[astral haven]

No I'm hoping Sony puts a large enough sensor on their next cam to outperform my current phone

[gusty kiln]

Might have read it wrong

[astral haven]

1 v is here

[gusty kiln]

Oh

[astral haven]

5 v I think isnt

[gusty kiln]

Yeah 5v

[astral haven]

I want the 1 vi

[gusty kiln]

In terms of what?

[terse thorn]

response time

[gusty kiln]

Nah

[terse thorn]

the cord in the box is faster, or they the same?

[astral haven]

All the same

[gusty kiln]

The only time the cable matter is for tacyon mode and the rgb

[terse thorn]

so if it is on?

tacyon mode

[gusty kiln]

Ideally the box cable, but any should work as long as it is not too long and a good quality cable

[terse thorn]

ok

[astral haven]

And it's not really about latency, a bad cable will glitch the lights or miss keystrokes

Or disconnect

[terse thorn]

alright, thanks

[astral haven]

https://www.gsmarena.com/rumor_sony_xperia_1_vi_is_coming_at_the_mwc_2024_will_have_largesensor_6x_camera-news-59915.php
🤤

[gusty kiln]

What's the rumor msrp?

Looking mighty expensive

[astral haven]

1300 to 1600 probs

[gusty kiln]

Lol "sustainable packaging"

Aka no assessories

[astral haven]

sure but also zero plastic unlike apple

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

They still like their clean plastic wrap around the box

Unless they stopped that by now

[astral haven]

they dont have it on the iphone now at least

bigger thing is more the plastic coated stuffs
its recyclable unlike the plastic films they used to use, but it does use fossil fuels

[steep creek]

I checked out the 1 V in store earlier today. Super comfy to hold and display was sharp

Will be cool to see this when it arrives

[astral haven]

now that i have given up on deckard copium, its now xperia copium lel

sony is not known for going hard on sensor size

their phones are incredibly fast video shooters
4k120hz on all 3 lenses
milc level tracking "AI" autofocus even in video

they also support relatively high speed photo burst

yea full sensor 30fps burst

[steep creek]

I know they make solid cameras and tvs, phones honestly I haven’t kept up

But they feel very well built, and snappy

[astral haven]

except for pro video or as a viewfinder for a camera

[steep creek]

Yep

[astral haven]

and for getting pictures that look natural while still being in focus

[steep creek]

Maybe they need to work a bit on image processing as well, I get it’s aimed towards the enthusiast side but

To appeal to people who might not be that into photography, it would be nice

[astral haven]

yea they really need to just default to vivid

and pare it down to 2 camera apps at most

[steep creek]

Yeap bright popping colors attract a lot of people , lol

[astral haven]

and sony vivid isnt even that crazy popping

i personally really love cinetone, but it doesnt bring the most out of a tiny phone cam

in fact you really need excess DR to make cinetone look good

[steep creek]

Yeah I think Samsung is regarded as the go to for vivid screens and photos. Apple also added photographic styles to iPhone not too long ago, but imo it’s not a night and day difference between the modes

[astral haven]

its pretty substantial, but it crushes detail

[steep creek]

I’ve left it in standard all this time hah, I thought it was in vibrant

But yeah I see now it’s different

[astral haven]

yea when I got my new phone i took a few test shots and zoomed into shadows and everything besides standard gets rid of detail 😦

(work phone)

[steep creek]

Hm I’ll try that when it’s sunny

By the way did the phone work well with your monitor

[astral haven]

yep no problemo

except for basically none of the input devices working

no mouse

no trackpad

[steep creek]

Lol it is Apple after all

[astral haven]

keyboard was jank

worked well enough tho

but no pointing is just unuseable

[steep creek]

Maybe if you have one of those usb c hubs, to connect everything into it

But I’m just guessing

[astral haven]

thats what i did

[steep creek]

Ah hm

[astral haven]

apple only supports pointing devices via bluetooth

and only if you go into accessibility settings and that bs

[steep creek]

Oh yeah that thing, they handle it that way with the iPad and the floating keyboard, it’s quite strange

[astral haven]

floating keyboard is normal

even floating suggestions

that happens on my android and is an option on windows

but just refusing to use standard usb mice???

[steep creek]

Lol it would make all my mice useless if I were to connect the phone to a monitor

I’m surprised you said the keyboard worked, even though it was janky

[astral haven]

keyboards have worked for a while afaik

using the lightning to usb adapter for example

its really bad to not have keyboard support for accessibility

and apple has supported the magic keyboard since release afaik

im also getting rather annoyed as to how precise the wireless charging needs to be on this non magsafe case

[steep creek]

I see that’s not too good

By the way with MagSafe charging , I’m unsure if this is an isolated case or not, but it did leave a permanent mark on my case

[astral haven]

yea but i dont have magsafe

so i cant properly line up the charger

[steep creek]

Yea tried that a couple times, I’ll just stick to wired lol

[astral haven]

yea i love my magnetic usb c connectors

[empty wren]

They have not had the plastic pin housing break?

[astral haven]

ive dropped them and broken them entirely,

they are super cheap to replace unlike the port on my phone

[empty wren]

Fair enough redirected point of failure

[astral haven]

These dudes haven't broken yet

I've broken these however

[empty wren]

Maybe the cable I got was shit

[astral haven]

yea you gotta get the ones advertised as 20 pin or 100w thunderbolt 40gbps

dont actually put 100w through them obviously but you can

[empty wren]

Well I mean the volta cable is not cheap and it could do 100w at least with the version I got

[astral haven]

needs both

[empty wren]

Thunderbolt is definitely better in all regards

[empty wren]

I did have both ends

[astral haven]

no it needs to be advertising 100w and 40gbps at the same time

[empty wren]

Oh

[astral haven]

otherwise its just some of the pins

i used to use that type, but its garbage

[empty wren]

I mean that is just specs, that second picture the middle broke down for me in a few months

And the pins became more exposed

[empty wren]

Yeah the smaller end by the way if taken out loosens quick

And one might think oh no I widened my port but nah whatever the adapter is made from is terrible

[astral haven]

yea

that was a problem with the lower pin count adapters

[empty wren]

Oh and a funny thing

Lighting was not backwards

Like lol how did they manage to do that

[astral haven]

yea anything besides the ones compatible with this system are just bad
https://www.amazon.com/Magnetic-Adapter-Connector-Thunderbolt-Transfer/dp/B09H2L99RX/

[empty wren]

Cool 90angle

[astral haven]

yea they have all types on aliexpress

even 180 lmao

[empty wren]

Also I have another question do you not worry about pins shorting out from discharge or do you not keep the adapter in when out and about or do you cover it?

[astral haven]

my phone survives the usbkiller so im not worried

[empty wren]

Alright then

Been a while since heard that, I remember everything apple pro made videos with it excessively

[astral haven]

if i get water in the adapter, i just cant use it for a while and my phone complains alot

but i can still wireless charge

[empty wren]

Interesting

I meant from the environment

Some people said their port died from using the dongle pieces

[crisp granite]

sigh
as with all good things
they don't ship to canada, and it's a pain in the ass to work around

[empty wren]

Ship the watch?

[crisp granite]

the ID Cooling IS-67XT

[empty wren]

Oh some CPU cooler

[crisp granite]

available on Amazon.com, not .ca
and can't ship from USA to Canada

[empty wren]

That goes for basically anywhere amazon

Cannot region jump for delivery of non existent item in local database

[crisp granite]

yes but it's a fucking heatsink

there is no plausible reason for it to not go

[crisp granite]

it's on .ca's site

[empty wren]

I mean you are not wrong

[crisp granite]

just not available

[empty wren]

Oh lol wtf then

[crisp granite]

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0CFPY9CK

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CFPY9CKZ

[empty wren]

Damn that thing is slim

[crisp granite]

it's the best cooler that'll fit in my case

[empty wren]

Have you tried an external room radiator

But yeah looks nice

Especially for a loque raw s1

If you are still using that

[crisp granite]

yep

I'm just...not happy with this

this is stupid

[empty wren]

Not sold anywhere else?

[crisp granite]

not feeling like getting scalped hard and importing it from HK

[crisp granite]

considering how the Raw S1 goes together, there's no easy way to make that work

also way more expensive than I'd like and overkill for my needs

[empty wren]

So you considered it

[crisp granite]

I considered a 120mm AIO
the one mounting point for it wouldn't work as I'd need tubes stupidly long

the mounting point is on the outer shell, components are mounted on the inside spine
so disassembly would require tubes long enough to be able to pull the inside spine out enough to expose the CPU mount, take that off, and finish disassembly

probably doable with a custom loop, but I haven't found an AIO that'll work

hm... actually
might work

[empty wren]

I wonder why so many people go for aios

Someone at work

Aio

[crisp granite]

hm

...35cm

probably long enough

ah yes the bad idea is formulating

[empty wren]

Also why are no small reservoirs and pumps

[crisp granite]

there is

Barrow makes a CPU block/pump/res combo

[empty wren]

Will look into that in December

Want to water cool my ghost

[crisp granite]

got a tophat?

[empty wren]

Bought it hated it

Pass

[crisp granite]

large top hat, specifically

[empty wren]

I did I thought

Color did not match

The alignment was terrible

Not to mention I bought new and was sent used

Like wtf

[crisp granite]

that's the one real way to have a loop in a ghost without getting an ITX length card (could do a waterblocked FE NVidia card tbh) and a 120mm AIO nestled in whatever space you have left

ah...if money were no object...

[tough crypt]

cant wait for my new pc parts coming soon : )

[empty wren]

There is space in there

Ish

[astral haven]

"space"
"ish"
more of the ish and less of the space

[crisp granite]

...an intel card?

[empty wren]

Yes quite lovely doge

[crisp granite]

nah I'm just...

damn the world has changed

I fondly remember playing metro 2033 on intel HD graphics like it was yesterday

because it was

[empty wren]

Damn

[crisp granite]

[empty wren]

Intel HD can run that

[crisp granite]

low settings, 720p

[empty wren]

Yeah but still

[crisp granite]

24-30fps

[empty wren]

Good enough

[crisp granite]

on HD520

[ashen spindle]

and intel hd runs the game at low fps instead of arc not running things or crashing

[astral haven]

eh

rose colored glasses

the stuff that doesnt run on arc also cant run on hd

• more that require VRAM

[ashen spindle]

I think halo runs without having the artifacting that arc does on it and such

but yes its mostly a joke

[empty wren]

Halo MCC does not run well on arc sadly

[astral haven]

oh sure but for every game that artifacts on arc, there are 10 that dont launch due to not having vram on GEN

[empty wren]

I play at 1080p never had an issue unlike my 970

[astral haven]

cs2 ran at like 25 fps 1080p all low on my 3090 until i updated my drivers

[crisp granite]

lmfao pathetic 💀

[astral haven]

updated drivers and its never dropped below 200 at 4k

[empty wren]

Oof talk about optimization

[crisp granite]

no CS2 mac port yet so I haven't actually played

...valve being buttheads

[empty wren]

You have a PC doge a PC

[crisp granite]

yes, thank you
I know

it's a macbook pro 14"
with M1 Pro

love that thing

[astral haven]

clicking heads in cs2 feels like cheating
im making flicks i never could before, but im struggling so hard with spraying now

[crisp granite]

talk to your urologist

[astral haven]

but also i didnt play csgo for most of 2 years

so im probably just incredibly rusty and forgetting how good i was

[crisp granite]

that happens naturally as men age

[astral haven]

that also cant run cs2?

probably not considering its an online competitive shooter

[crisp granite]

...the macbook pro just has the best screen, touchpad and speakers out there

to get comparable would cost more than just getting a macbook pro

[astral haven]

and the workshop is still not available 😦

[crisp granite]

best thing for watching movies in bed

[astral haven]

except the screen isnt that great because its missing a super important feature aka touchscreen

[crisp granite]

I hate touchscreens with a passion lol

[astral haven]

Copium

[crisp granite]

for me, the fact I don't need to get my nasty paws all over my screen is a boon

[astral haven]

you dont need to use a touchscreen, condemming us to inefficiency without even having any loss to yourself is evil

and a laptop with a nice enough hinge is a tablet 😛

[crisp granite]

yeah...that still doesn't change the fact that it is the best screen on a laptop

and yes, seriously

[astral haven]

first its objectively not

[crisp granite]

fingerprints are fucking awful

you don't need them on your mac

the finish of the screen and body (space grey) already are

[astral haven]

You dont have to use it lmao

but it makes my work significantly faster

[crisp granite]

then you prioritise that, for yourself

[astral haven]

but what tradeoff does the touchscreen bring to a non touch user?

[steep creek]

I’ve noticed fingerprints are more visible on MacBook screens than something like a surface, or yoga for example. Both screens are glossy so perhaps it uses some type of coating?

[astral haven]

yea apple doesnt coat their screens properly since they arent expecting people to touch them

[crisp granite]

a stupid added feature that adds nothing but cost

[astral haven]

lmao says the apple user

it adds pennies

[crisp granite]

...it's not a touchscreen
what kind of dunce would waste good money on something that unneeded

[astral haven]

an apple user?

[crisp granite]

Fym, hold my vodka

[astral haven]

apple spends more money on their inefficient machining of aluminum than any touchscreen would cost

[crisp granite]

better than injection molded plastic

[astral haven]

depends lel

it certainly isnt more durable

and its not as light as MG alloy

[ashen spindle]

did newer macbooks fix the motion performance or is it still shit like the m1 screens for the response times

[astral haven]

its slightly better

still a jellowy mess compared to anything hfr (from most other makers)

[ashen spindle]

bc lol

[astral haven]

yea dunno how fixed it is, but laptops are really awful compared to most things

the surface laptop studio is relatively ok but id be shocked if it was faster than the first 120hz overclocked samsung tv lel

2023 macbook pro 16

">99% of all devices are better"

yea laptop studio isnt that much better
still actually under the static perceivable limit rather than over lel

[empty wren]

Anybody know how to properly use CRU, coulda sworn I had it work on my surface pro 4 but does not seem to work on my new laptop?

[astral haven]

does it show the resolution of your screen somewhere at least?

[empty wren]

1920x1080 at the detailed resolutions

Which is what windows says is present in the settings

[astral haven]

and its on an intel igpu?

[empty wren]

Uh some uhd one I think

Surface pro 4 has one too

[astral haven]

does it use the new control panel?

[empty wren]

You mean the command center?

[astral haven]

ye

[empty wren]

Yeah it has modern command center

[astral haven]

if yes, can you add the custom resolution in there?

[empty wren]

Well I wanted to overclock the hertz

Like I did to my surface pro 4 since yall conversing reminded me

[astral haven]

yea can you do that?

[empty wren]

On the control panel?

[astral haven]

custom resolution yea

[empty wren]

But monitor refresh rate?

Well I give up on it today, an option is not popping up

[astral haven]

you should be able to set both at the same time
CRU is a very heavy handed tool, you only want to mess with it after you have a stable OC

also many laptops use lvds screens rather than EDP
and lvds usually isnt overclockable at all

usually

[empty wren]

Hmm

Unfortunately cannot find much on Len40a9 so probably is an lvd

[astral haven]

Looks like there are higher models with 4k60 screens, it's possible they use edp on all to minimize parts

And keep pcb design easier

[empty wren]

Makes sense

[astral haven]

But yea there should be an option to add a custom resolution in the control panel, add it in with just 1 or 2 higher hz

If the option is missing, then and only then consider messing with CRU
But have an external monitor available

[empty wren]

Lol global settings is completely blank😵‍💫

[astral haven]

No Nvidia?

[empty wren]

No because it is a ultrabook

[astral haven]

The msi gs32 shadow had an Nvidia gpu

[empty wren]

That is cool

I just wanted a laptop with a decent keyboard Lenovo makes those

[astral haven]

It also had a pcie x16 slot on the back which was alot cooler

[empty wren]

Hmm that sounds very interesting

If you plug in

[astral haven]

Last model was 2016 😦

[empty wren]

Oof that is a long time ago

[astral haven]

Yea 😦

[empty wren]

Maybe framework will come up with something later similar 🤷‍♂️

[astral haven]

They really shouldn't, besides the cool factor of old style docking, oculink is just a better option

Nyways if you do wanna mess with cru, I can help you with the whole being safe while messing with that stuff
Feel free to ping me

[empty wren]

Cool I appreciate it

[astral haven]

Interesting the scuff mark from when I dropped my earbuds once is missing after Sony sent them back
They also aren't paired to my phone
They probably replaced the buds and not the case

Wtf sony
Default settings are noise canceling or ambient sound
None isn't an option without the app

[empty wren]

Is there not a physical programmable button to swap between them

Fiddling with the app seems a bit inconvenient

[astral haven]

yea, tapping the left bud switches between them

but it doesnt have "none" by default, it cycles just between noise cancelling and ambient sound

i forgot that even was a thing since i last set up these buds 2 years ago

i also wish you could change it from cycling to toggling
double tap doesnt do anything for some reason

[empty wren]

Interesting you use none

[astral haven]

yea the ambient sound doesnt help battery life and makes anything you play sound worse
the noise cancelling is even worse for battery, and is too good at cancelling for use day to day

[empty wren]

Yeah you make a good point

You must also have a good seal too

[astral haven]

with the xm4s its hard not to get a good seal

[empty wren]

My pixel buds pro go into the ear but with no sound and noise cancelling on I can hear people quite well

[astral haven]

the foams are excellent, and sony has always given me replacements when i asked

[empty wren]

Hmm I think Google offers foam tips too

[astral haven]

foams are very easy to mess up but i think sony did a good job

[empty wren]

Maybe this is an earbud issue but do you ever get a headache from using noise cancelling headphones

[astral haven]

i have the wf1000xm4s they are earbuds

but i havent had it on either these or the n400ncs

[empty wren]

Probably varies person to person then

[astral haven]

fyi anyone who says n400 noise cancelling doesnt work needs to try them in the subway
it works incredibly well you just need very very loud noises

so no it doesnt actually work that amazingly but shh

[empty wren]

For loud noises it definitely works well enough

If it gets loud at work

I can go into noise cancelling

[empty wren]

Throw some tunes on, basically gone

[astral haven]

yea the xm4s quiet everything down

[empty wren]

Like what?

[astral haven]

individual settings for individual commands

[empty wren]

Not sure I follow what you mean

[astral haven]

by default it just has a few preset options

[empty wren]

Do you mean equalizer?

[astral haven]

no for the touch controls

[empty wren]

Hmm

[astral haven]

i cant set doubletap to do something specific

[empty wren]

Damn wow

I expected like 5

[empty wren]

Sony is slouching in the software department on that

[astral haven]

heres the selection "playback control"

and now you have seen 100% of the available options besides none

[empty wren]

That is a weird way to do volume

Maybe more reliable than what pixel buds do

Also how does the system know what function you are in

Like can you toggle noise canceling when listening to music?

[astral haven]

you set it here in the app

you get to pick these for each bud

[empty wren]

Oh you have different functions for each

[astral haven]

yea fortunately

its the same 3 options tho

[empty wren]

Cannot be hard to implement swipes

[astral haven]

i think the sony is just a touch detection sensor

not a touchpad

[empty wren]

Ahhhhhhh

[astral haven]

maybe different on the xm5s

[empty wren]

Are your sony ones also able to connect to multiple devices?

[astral haven]

yep

that was a firmware update that i am very happy they added

[empty wren]

Nice

I cannot wait for Google to push out the conversation update

Basically when the wearer is detected to be talking the buds will get out of noise cancelling

[astral haven]

sony is supposed to have something kinda like that but it doesnt work

[empty wren]

Hopefully they fix it in time

[astral haven]

in time for what
its gonna finish charging in the next 15 mins lel

[crisp rune]

shit~ man

[astral haven]

#1019755933959733258 probably if you are having an issue @crisp rune

[crisp rune]

k

[astral haven]

yoo wtf watched the short circuit and they got a usb mouse working???

gonna try again, maybe its not happy with my hub?

Oh you actually need to enable the assistive touch button
Then mice work with an incredible amount of lag

Scrolling is backwards

Ofc

External touch pads don't work

Unless they can emulate a mouse which is pain

So ofc the scrolling is backwards

And the lag holy smokes

[crisp rune]

ture

[astral haven]

Oh it's just the external display being incredibly laggy

Yea natively on the display it's fineish

[steep creek]

Ahah I see, that’s surprising. Lag on the external probably would make me stop using it

Backwards scrolling is something I’ve tried but never could get used to

[cursive summit]

https://hu.ma.ne/media/humanexcoperni

What on earth is that

Why would anyone want that

[old marlin]

"yes"

calling it an "ai pin" is just admitting they have no idea what it is

[cursive summit]

Well it's a pin

In a broad sense

[old marlin]

and it is not an ai

cause that is not how an ai works

The Humane Ai Pin is the screenless, standalone device and software platform built from the ground up for AI

aka

android

with no screen

bet

[cursive summit]

I'm having a hard time comprehending what does it do that something like a smartwatch doesn't

[old marlin]

includes AI-powered optical recognition and a laser-projected display,

💀

laser projected displays have never gone wrong

[cursive summit]

So it's just a smartwatch but worse

[old marlin]

no

[cursive summit]

There's a demo on that

[old marlin]

it is like one of those 2000 gimmick phones

[cursive summit]

https://twitter.com/rowancheung/status/1675597536885702658

Rowan Cheung (@rowancheung)

Humane- An AI startup founded by ex-Apple designers called just unveiled the ‘Ai Pin’

It's a mini projector that attaches to clothing and aims to replace smartphones.

Details:
-Humane has been stealing talent from Apple since 2018- all while keeping its product a secret…

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It looks.. alright?

[old marlin]

oh god

it looks alright ig?

[cursive summit]

I don't see it being a smartphone replacer though

[old marlin]

in reference to how shit the kickstarter wrist phones looked

that demo is so bland

one thing any "virtual assitant" can do

and one being prebaked

wowee

[cursive summit]

The demo guy sounds like AI

[old marlin]

oh god

[cursive summit]

I mean it's an alright idea

[old marlin]

oh nvm

well yea

sure is an idea

[cursive summit]

What REALLY surprised me is that this is an actual thing that's happening https://twitter.com/rowancheung/status/1698467447228031021

Rowan Cheung (@rowancheung)

Microsoft just filed for an AI-powered smart backpack patent.

The backpack not only hears you but also sees what you see.

Imagine a hands-free digital assistant that understands commands, can access cloud information, AND interacts with other devices.

Here’s the rundown:

-The…

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AI smart backpack 😳

So take the pin and just make it massive lol

Although as I am virtually never not wearing backpacks, this is actually appealing

[old marlin]

lol

the pin seems better than that

[cursive summit]

It does seem better

A backpack is virtually an outside-only wearable item

Why would you really need the ability to "interact with other devices" outside

[old marlin]

I personally don't think we will go away from displays long term

[cursive summit]

We somewhat are though

Relatively successfully too

[old marlin]

eh

a picture is worth a thousand words is very true there

if you want your shopping list

[cursive summit]

This thing comes to mind

Samsung's portable projector thing

[old marlin]

having it displayed visually is a LOT quicker and more comprehensive than having it read out

[old marlin]

that thing is literally a display

[cursive summit]

That's a projector?

[old marlin]

a projector is a display

[cursive summit]

What now

[old marlin]

it's not a monitor

but a display

[cursive summit]

So this isn't?

[old marlin]

have you seen the resolution

it is a crutch of a display

[cursive summit]

Samsung Freeplay is not a display in any traditional sense

It's a projector

Which does display contents, but it's not what we correlate to a display like a 27" monitor or a TV

Although projection instead of physical reproduction with pixels is getting quite a bit more popular nowadays in consumer market

[old marlin]

I mean

anything displaying visual contents is a display

[cursive summit]

So, the AI pin is a display

Calling it a pin is still weird though

[old marlin]

yea but it is not really using it's display capability

[old marlin]

well needs some kinda name/classification

[cursive summit]

I do think that the whole notion of AI assistants is kinda cool

But wouldn't it just be easier to stuff it into phone software anyways

Or a smartwatch for that matter

Needing a separate item like a pin, which is very small and imperceptable tbf, is a bit of a hassle

The backpack sounds like just a meme though lol

[old marlin]

the backpack seems really odd

[cursive summit]

I do wear backpacks outside every single time though

So.. maybe they are onto something?

But you'd wear a watch or have a phone on you far more often so the pin makes more sense in that matter, it's a universal accessory

[old marlin]

reposted it in another discord

[cursive summit]

Also it's by iPhone engineers so that pin might be worth keeping some tabs on

[old marlin]

and they had a very valid concern

they gave it one week until it lands in a washing machine

[cursive summit]

Oh I bet those things would be easily IP68

[old marlin]

ip68 is not necessarly good for washing machines

because ip ratings are stupid

and in some cases ip65 is better than ip68

[cursive summit]

Well yes IP ratings are a bit weird at times

[old marlin]

also they only rate with clean water

not soap etc

[cursive summit]

But I wouldn't be surprised an IP68 could easily survive a washing machine

[old marlin]

which is a problem

[thick elk]

Also not higher temperatures if you wash using that

[old marlin]

which you probably shouldn't wanyways?

usually is just a waste of time and energy

besides the point anyways

[cursive summit]

I wish there were waterproofness testing labs for the public to see the results for

[old marlin]

the detergent is horrible for any electronics

[thick elk]

Hygiene / underwear but yea

[cursive summit]

Cause ngl, I like to take electronics to the shower to just scroll about while showering

So IP68 is a must

[old marlin]

bruh

[cursive summit]

That's why I'm going with Sony next cause they have multiple IP certifications so I'm really confident those have no problems with waterproofing

Well, water"proofing", more like just general resistance

[thick elk]

IP 68 is rated to drop in a tank of water, ip 65 is to protect against jets of water.

[cursive summit]

Sony certifies for both woo

[thick elk]

That is good.

[cursive summit]

Hahaha I went to look up if my Poco is 53 or was it 55

It's IP53 so I don't take it nowhere near any water

But

This is literally my experience with software updates

A very nippy, great phone completely ruined with software updates

Planned obsolescence should be a crime in EU

[old marlin]

you love to see it

I will avoid miui now anyways

[thick elk]

I agree running a custom rom on my poco x3 pro

[cursive summit]

Not a bad call, it's very bloated

[old marlin]

yea and risk not being able to run banking apps on my phone again, great

[thick elk]

It's also naggy and somewhat buggy

[cursive summit]

That's why I'll go with Sony next just cause Sony stop providing software updates after 2 years

[old marlin]

it has no separate volume slider for calls

[cursive summit]

Software updates aren't a good feature, they are a nuisance

[old marlin]

it constantly suspends every app not active right now

even when you tell it not to

[cursive summit]

Lineage works fine with banking

[young pecan]

Brain dent blanket statement but yes planned obsolescence should be illegal.

[old marlin]

an iftt script to unmute my call to not miss a wakeup call is really useful if it only starts after I unlock my phone

[thick elk]

You can always run banking apps on that, without root on roms. And with root hiding it has always been perfectly possible.

[cursive summit]

An universal truth

[old marlin]

only if you are in safety net

[old marlin]

security updates are important

[young pecan]

Right up until anyone ever discovers a 0day or the devs screw up one time, sure.

[old marlin]

especially since phoens typically are 2fa devices

[cursive summit]

I never said anything about security updates

[umbral heron]

Software updates are great IF they're well documented and fully optional

[cursive summit]

Android supplies security patches separately

[young pecan]

Software update literally is security updates, 4shed.

[cursive summit]

Those are good

[old marlin]

reminds me

seen a funky phone today

[cursive summit]

I hate content patches, so android updates in a version upgrade sense

[old marlin]

has a removable battery with the wireless charging and nfc coil glued to it

screen is absolute ass though

[cursive summit]

Those should be becoming a thing though with EU battery regulations methinks

Not sure why we moved away from the concept in the first place

[old marlin]

nope

was changed

[fading cloud]

And those are the reason why I dont like have lesser used brands

[cursive summit]

Samsung is the same story

[young pecan]

Honestly I kinda don't want traditional batteries like that. Saw a demo of a slide out battery with 2 screws holding it in a while ago and quite liked it.

Just a thin boi battery that slides out of the bottom of the phone.

[old marlin]

if they can still have over 80% capacity after 1000 cycles they don't have to be removable

[fading cloud]

Are you kidding me, samsung makes botched software updates fr?

[old marlin]

wouldn't mind either one personally

[cursive summit]

Uh, yes

[fading cloud]

God damn

[cursive summit]

My wife's S20FE that I gifted her is already gimped lol

[umbral heron]

very yes

[fading cloud]

Geez, not that I would buy samsung

[thick elk]

The point with safety net is if you have root you can mostly just tell apps you pass it.
I have used root for ages and used it with a bank app that checks for root and safety net for years without much trouble. (outside a brief window where things had to be adjusted)

[old marlin]

every company does

💀

[young pecan]

Samsung historically is not perfect, like oh idk, everyone.

'Course they're not perfect.

[cursive summit]

Well not Apple

[old marlin]

^

[cursive summit]

Apple's pretty damn good

[old marlin]

what

[young pecan]

Nah.

[old marlin]

[umbral heron]

Apple's shit

[young pecan]

Apple fucks up just as much as anyone else does.

[fading cloud]

yeah even apple makes sometimes botched updates i would imagine.

[old marlin]

apple doing throttleing updates was totally not a court case

[young pecan]

IOS 6 and 7, yeah.

[old marlin]

not at all

[cursive summit]

Last I checked my old iPod 5 is still hella fast

[fading cloud]

Honestly I dont have an issue with that one, I am 99.9% my huawei phone does it also

[old marlin]

making it an option sure

just doing that it not ok though

[old marlin]

doesn't make it less of an issue

[cursive summit]

Buying a phone with the least years of android version updates and great internals is how things are done

Sony is great, just 2 cycles I think of android version updates and several more years of security

[old marlin]

what

why would that change anything

if they wanna throttle you they will do it

[young pecan]

Honestly out of everyone I'm not leaving IOS. The rest of the stack has too many compromises in either functionality or stability.

[cursive summit]

Sony doesn't afaik

[young pecan]

Just can't do it.

[cursive summit]

They notoriously don't release updates

Sony's support is bad, in a good way

[old marlin]

ios usability is complete ass imo

[cursive summit]

Why I also heavily regret getting a Samsung Tab S8 Ultra

[old marlin]

could stand a total of 3 days last time I tried it

[fading cloud]

The battery is quite toasted, cant hold shit anymore only like 4 hours at best.
Slow, less slow in the performance mode.

BUt I am suspecting the NAND and the battery is toast, I did a storage speed test and at first it got 130mb/s but dropped to 14mb/s which suggests that the storage module will fail.

But the phone cost 500€ got it a 3 months later for 300€ *in 2018
And for 300€ it was a insane phone, better than my 800€ phone now

[old marlin]

if there are "secret tricks" to gesture controls they are just bad

but people cope a lot over that shit

[cursive summit]

Gesture controls?

You mean swipe for back?

[old marlin]

the thing everyone has been doing

yes

[cursive summit]

That shite is enabled by default on android nowadays

And is complete cancer

[old marlin]

not everywhere

I like it

in miui it is bound to the launcher

[cursive summit]

I despise having to disable it

[old marlin]

which immediatley makes it horrible

[young pecan]

Swipe back is fine when it works correctly, like oh i don't know, IOS.

[old marlin]

ios is just a mess

[young pecan]

Swipe back has worked flawlessly there since like IOS 7.

[old marlin]

my brother needed over 30 seconds to find out how to close his keyboard in discord

[young pecan]

Yeah that's not an IOS issue, in network engineering that's what we call a Level 8 problem.

[fading cloud]

BTW, I did a screen replacement myself.
One 100% original Screen to my phone.

You know what happened with the fingerprint scanner? The phone noticed the screen was replaced or the fingerprint, on the very next boot the phone deleted the Fingerprints and prompted me to set up new ones.

No apple BS with uhuhuuh mimimimi new face id go fuck yourself

[old marlin]

that guy is a software dev

[young pecan]

That is insane.

What?

[old marlin]

why do you have to swipe that down

instead of using the back gesture

[young pecan]

You don't? Just click anywhere on the screen.

[old marlin]

didn't do it

[young pecan]

Like in IOS.

Literally just click anywhere on the screen that isn't the keyboard.

[cursive summit]

Close keyboard? Isn't that just.. click anywhere on the screen that isn't the keyboard?

[young pecan]

Vex knows.

[cursive summit]

Or just the back key lol

That works

[young pecan]

It's real hard to get more intuitive than 'click the thing you want'.

[cursive summit]

I hope Android doesn't ever disable the menu keys at the bottom for home, tabs and back

Cause I refuse to use swipe controls

[young pecan]

Skill issue.

[cursive summit]

Usability issue

[young pecan]

If you can't swipe from the side of the screen that's a skill issue.

[cursive summit]

I hate swiping

[young pecan]

What OS are you running specifically? Might just be jank.

[cursive summit]

MiUI on Poco

[young pecan]

I need to google that.

[cursive summit]

I just don't like the whole thing swiping, I grew up with good old Nokias

I like tapping

Swiping is tiring

Nothing can ever replace a good old button

[young pecan]

Right so we're using a garbage Chinese sub brand phone with Chinese garbage sub OS?

Kek

[cursive summit]

It's so garbage that @pale sigil loves it

[young pecan]

Wow and that might mean something if that was a sample size in a few thousand.

[fading cloud]

They would just remove it from stock android

[cursive summit]

There's also the fact that user preference matters, and I'm old fashioned like many peeps that grew up with key phones

just forcing them into swipe mode only is just alienating users

[young pecan]

I grew up with key phones as well, they're fine and all but swipe is just plain better for a bunch of things.

[cursive summit]

Hard disagree

Brain rot take "swipe is plain better"

[young pecan]

You wanna read the whole sentence before calling brain rot?

Bro is telling on himself that he can't read properly.

[cursive summit]

Nah I was just immitating what you usually do when you disagree

I will forever prefer good old tactile click

[young pecan]

Right, the difference is I actually read the sentence and call brain rot when the whole point is brain rot.

No swipe is better for a few really nice things, buttons are better for others.

[thick elk]

I don't mind gestures within apps, I just like the system navigation to use the buttons.
Especially when there is just too much vertical space relatively speaking on a modern phone anyway.

[young pecan]

With a modern smartphone I'd go swipe first because the benefits outweigh the downsides.

[thick elk]

I always hold my phone with two hands with my fingers mostly just using the bottom half.

[young pecan]

Mm I might be a little odd there.

Left hand holds the phone, all 5 fingers on my right hand do stuff on the phone.

Gestures and functionality are really goddamn simple when the phone always responds the same way and you can actually use them accurately.

[thick elk]

Never given them a good long try honestly but I will say I do like to use swipe gestures in apps themselves.
I am also not a typical user. Just like button navigation, especially with long / double press bound to different functions.
Long press back to kill double press app switch to switch to the previous app, and again to switch back.
And most importantly my fingers are naturally in the region.

I will also say my launcher is kiss launcher which may factor in as well.

so when I press home I am immediately faced with a keyboard to type the app I want to launch

[young pecan]

Yeah that makes sense.

[fading cloud]

I also thought that gestures sucked but if you if you give it a week or so you will like it.
I wouldnr want to go back.

However under my Huawei phone which runs android 10 it is genuinely bad.
About 3-4 years ago gestures weren't as refined as they are now.

[thick elk]

I care about a few things mostly.
Accidental activation, time to do certain actions (mostly go to home, switch to last task and switch back, open task switcher (even if the current one is garbage))
While only using the bottom half of my screen.

Any action involving that half just takes longer by nature of having to move my hand to a different position

[fading cloud]

You will get used to it. Id say I am as fast as before

[thick elk]

Hard to judge I mostly turn animations off in general

[fading cloud]

Ok

It throws me off without animations haha

[young pecan]

Yeah nah that's fucked.

[fading cloud]

Tbh my Sony phone buggy wouldn't surprise me if that also contributed to it

Discord in general is buggy so I get it if you don't use gestures. Like shown here in this example

[old marlin]

discord always is

[thick elk]

Little experience with discord on my phone.
Just use the browser version on my desktop.

[fading cloud]

I swipe back and the menu opens so , when the action is send to move back I get the same screen

[thick elk]

I will say either way it would be best if everyone settled on one mode of input.
If gestures didn't exist apps would have complete freedom of using their own gestures.
if buttons didn't exist well actually not much would change for apps.

[fading cloud]

I bet the reason why gestures exist is because phone have gotten gigantic

Hence buttons on top are hard to reach

[thick elk]

I like the solution firefox has, simply put the nav bar on the bottom, it just makes much more sense for a mobile browser

[fading cloud]

There are many trade offs so everyone decides for themselves what is best

Personally I don't like a nav bar on the bottom

Like Firefox and there it starts

I don't like it you like it. What's best now?

[thick elk]

True, maybe I am forced to switch eventually. I can work with gestures, I just really like using buttons. Also just trying gestures they look indeed jankey without animations.
I will also say that I did notice some problems scrolling.
As my thumb moves a bit diagonal it can trigger the back gesture moving up.
But yea tastes do differ.

[thorn cypress]

I like it but I'd also be fine going back

[ashen spindle]

https://www.newegg.com/amp/intel-p4510-8tb/p/2U3-0001-000C5

8tb for 400, us only sadly

[cursive summit]

PCIe Gen3 x4?

Never understood how you are supposed to connect these to a motherboard

Surely they don't directly plug in

[ashen spindle]

U.2

[cursive summit]

Those are more server side connectors right?

[ashen spindle]

Or adapter to it

[cursive summit]

None of the motherboards I ever saw or had, had it

[young pecan]

You can cheaply adapt it.

[cursive summit]

I have seen these before

But they always seemed like gimmicks

[young pecan]

No that's about right.

[ashen spindle]

Pcie to m2

[cursive summit]

I suppose pcie to u.2 is also a thing

[ashen spindle]

That’s why boards should just use more pcie instead of m2 slots bc these things exist

[cursive summit]

But these pcie to m.2 seem really gimmicky

[cursive summit]

Uh, that doesn't make much sense?

That just makes a board longer

[young pecan]

Nah not really. They're pretty damn nice.

[cursive summit]

My gigabyte b550 itx has 2 m.2 slots and a full length pcie16 while being a tiny ITX

Native m.2 slots are better than just more pcie slots, no?

[young pecan]

Nope.

Like let's put this into perspective, aye? 2 M.2 slots can hold 2 drives. A single x16 slot can hold anywhere from 4 to 8 drives depending if you want onboard logic on the card.

And let's say you choose to use a much higher capacity U.2 drive and want the resiliency that enterprise offers? Well you can choose to adapt PCIe to U.2 where as M.2 to U.2 is just a worse adaptation.

Or say you want to use a network card, capture card, sound card, etc. There are plenty of things that can connect to a PCIe interface and shit all that'll go from M.2, so why would I want more M.2?

[cursive summit]

Isn't the whole thing with PCIe that there's also a limited amount of bandwidth that a CPU can handle?

I think we call em "lanes"

[young pecan]

Mhmm, and M.2 use those same lanes.

An M.2 slot uses 4 lanes, a PCIe slot can use up to 16.

[ashen spindle]

That’s why it’s better to just give you x16 and you use it however you want

[young pecan]

Exactly.

[ashen spindle]

Harder to take 4 m2 slots and combine them into one if you want a other x16 device

[young pecan]

Mhmm. And remember some devices can't run on 4 lanes an M.2 slot offers.

40gig networking just doesn't do x4 a lot of the time.

Or hell even a sound card if you happen to need one for audio production or something.

This is naturally not talking about graphics cards either. If you're doing stuff like Blender you might need something like CUDA but for another workload you might want more RAM and AV1.

[wheat plume]

How do you buy this brands products?
Their website doesn't link to a purchase or add to cart button

https://intl.cmf.tech/pages/watch-pro

[cursive summit]

Have you ever heard of... companies that don't sell directly?

[wheat plume]

So what? Get it on Amazon?
I'll check there lol

[cursive summit]

I can see that you have no clue how to use search engines

So I'll do the work for you