Callum loves it, I don't really like it
#🔌│tech
ashen spindle
Yes graphene will be here in 10 years like it’s being promised every other 10 years 
old marlin
I believe graphene batteries when we can actually buy them 
ashen spindle
Yeah so in 2050
cursive summit
When are those recycled nuclear fuel batteries coming?
There were articles on those 
old marlin
tranquil onyx
2050.. when I’ll be 65 years old or so 😂 (math is off)
old marlin
we get a proper half life 3 before those are out
cursive summit
we get a proper half life 3 before those are out
We know that will never happen
old marlin
old marlin
We know that will never happen
cursive summit
Yo, woo?
dull rampart
at least you're separating the letters with a comma
cursive summit
Was it this that the buzz was all about a few years back? https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41365-023-01189-0
old marlin
wdym, the letters have no meaning
it's just a step above just a bunch of consonants to avoid possible legal issues and to rename quick when they still come up
shadow minnow
Was it this that the buzz was all about a few years back? https://link.springer....
Using a beta emitter for batteries is not a good idea at all as if casing gets damaged beta particles can penetrate the skin.
Alpha particle emitter would be safer as you’d have to ingest it
cursive summit
Using a beta emitter for batteries is not a good idea at all as if casing gets d...
I think the scientists know science better than you do, Bex
If we manage to recycle nuclear fuel properly, that's one of the main drawbacks of nuclear fission just dealt with
shadow minnow
I think the scientists know science better than you do, Bex <:havo:9758216134151...
Yes and they also very much know that beta radiation can penetrate skin while alpha radiation can not
The article itslef says that it’s dangerous to human life
cursive summit
So is carbon monoxide
Or electric car batteries combusting violently in emergencies
We invented shielding to protect from radiation for a good reason
shadow minnow
The shielding is never perfect
cursive summit
A shielded battery in a car made of structural metal? No way, that's still dangerous
shadow minnow
Making it as small and light as possible as well as shielded is just compromises
cursive summit
Not to mention depleted nuclear fuel is not at all dangerous
shadow minnow
I am not talking about nuclear waste issues
I am talking about battery getting damaged
cursive summit
Ok, and?
shadow minnow
If it was made from an alpha emitter it would be much safer
cursive summit
We all know what happens when an electric car battery gets damaged, how's this any worse
shadow minnow
One sec I’ll calculate how radioactive would the material have to be
pale sigil
What
shadow minnow
We all know what happens when an electric car battery gets damaged, how's this a...
Well let’s say you loose the damaged battery. The small difference is that unlike electric battery that instantly burns up, it will remain dangerous for thousands of years
shadow minnow
Cause it doesn't
It does when you are looking for an opponent on a similar skill level
severe phoenix
pale sigil
Oh, idk, I play it casually.
Generally speaking I've been replaying again after many years of not playing it.
I used to play and was in a chess club
cursive summit
I used to play and was in a chess club
T... Todd???
shadow minnow
Currently phone batteries store about 30k joules
Small issue, one gram of carbon 14 can’t physically generate more than 15 joules a day
Source is the scientific papers about this
so well you’d need a very heavy battery
Issue is carbon 14 has a long half life which has its advantages but energy output per mass isn’t one
Also question is what would you do with excess energy as you can’t just stop the decay it goes on no matter if you’re using your phone
cursive summit
Now THAT is an advancement https://interestingengineering.com/military/heavy-lift-drone-drop-torpedo
reef patrol
Seems odd to me to be using a helicopter style propulsion for this as opposed to a prop plane or military style drone. But sure.
cursive summit
cursive summit
Seems odd to me to be using a helicopter style propulsion for this as opposed to...
Helicopters are nearly universally used for such duties
Prop planes are not really a thing anymore in military, a few outliers here and there, like trainers or Super Tucano in Brazilian air force
reef patrol
If you say so. Literally never seen a platform like that used for this, only actual planes or you know... proper military drones.
old marlin
nowadays any drone is a military type drone
cursive summit
Copter drones are honestly an amazing way to replace helicopters on ships
old marlin
bunch of hobby RC parts strapped to a piece of cardboard is a military type drone
reef patrol
Just seems very uh... fragile with so many rotors 😄
old marlin
allows you to get a really cheap system with any resemblence to accuracy
cursive summit
Just seems very uh... fragile with so many rotors 😄
Perfect for ships
A typical ship carries 1 at most 2 helos for sea duties
pale sigil
<:dafoe:576929368698388480> nowadays any drone is a military type drone
Which is why we can't have fun
cursive summit
You could have a lot more with drones and that's great
old marlin
Which is why we can't have fun
atm as long as it is not sold as military equipment it isn't
reef patrol
Not quite the point I was making. You could clip one of these and it'd drop instantly. Harder to do with something uh... you know... plane shaped 😄
old marlin
in germany at least
cursive summit
Not quite the point I was making. You could clip one of these and it'd drop inst...
What'd clip it
A submarine?
old marlin
Not quite the point I was making. You could clip one of these and it'd drop inst...
yea but you can have a lot more of these than one plane shaped drone
old marlin
A submarine?
torpedos are not just used against submarines
cursive summit
torpedos are not just used against submarines
Wow, thanks sherlock
reef patrol
A submarine?
Oh you know... anything a sailor would carry on their person. A pistol or any kind of small rifle.
cursive summit
The article specifically meant ASW torpedoes
reef patrol
Ever heard of skeet shooting?
cursive summit
THESE ARE MEANT FOR ASW
reef patrol
Just uh... dive?
cursive summit
Pick up a contact in a sonar buoy or just ship sonar, send in a drone/helicopter with a dipping sonar, pick up a target and send a fuck ton of drones at it
reef patrol
cursive summit
Just uh... dive?
Ah fuck off
old marlin
Oh you know... anything a sailor would carry on their person. A pistol or any ki...
I mean the torpedo is there because the drone would be out of range for those
cursive summit
That's now how anti-submarine warfare works
reef patrol
Ah fuck off <:havo:975821613415157860>
To be fair I was thinking torp vs ship. As seen in the Black Sea and Ukraine.
reef patrol
Hence my concerns about sending in a large roto drone, which could fall out of the sky from a stray 9mm projectile 😄
cursive summit
That's why they are not meant for that
cursive summit
These are literally for anti-submarine duties
old marlin
why would it be close enough to an enemy ship to get hit by small infantry arms
cursive summit
When you pick up a submarine on sonar and send a drone to torpedo it
cursive summit
Note to self - Equip submarine periscopes with duct taped mp5s
Something like that is technically a thing
Russian submarines can fire I think Igla anti-air missiles at shallow depth
cursive summit
Speaking of batteries @shadow minnow
Some brand new developments https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/09/230928151711.htm
Significantly higher energy storage capacity 
fair gull
well
maybe
first it has to be reproduced by others
and then it also has to work at the scale we use batteries at
eager lintel
anyone know how to macro in wooting
reef patrol
anyone know how to macro in wooting
eager lintel
thx u
astral haven
ashen spindle
only zen4, boring
ashen spindle
ces is going to be so packed
makes me really wonder if we get an arrow lake announcement like RKLgot when it was so far out when zen3 dropped lel
astral haven
for a tablet tho im not sure i dont want mtl
ashen spindle
probably fairly close, depending on rest of the features
astral haven
yep but powa and avoiding firmware bugs
ashen spindle
I mean
thread director gets another core to deal with in mtl so if anything im worried about more issues there lol
astral haven
sure but they explained how everything starts on that core now and gets promoted
aint gonna be great for gaming
but for desktop use?
ashen spindle
I mean that didnt stop it form setting stuff to wrong cores on ald launch lol
its probably fine after a while
astral haven
ald defaulted to p, same with lakefield
lakefield defaulting to p was a bit jank
bigger thing tho is full on alchemist arch gpu
ashen spindle
not quite
it's a different slice, LPG instead of just downclocked HPG
whats the difference? we dont know yet
astral haven
but its still like x86 p vs e core rather than completely different arch like gen was
ashen spindle
maybe
astral haven
tbh tho id prefer nvidia for rtx SR
gusty kiln
Rip my preferred reddit app finally rolled out api pricing
astral haven
i wonder if intel is gonna bring their upres tech to their realtime video processing
oh dang 8040u is actually just 7040 series again
hopefully has zen4c cores?
ashen spindle
no it should be with rdna 3.5 instead of 3
(but yes the decoder is still a joke lol)
astral haven
encoder too probably
ashen spindle
I meant the name decoder not the hardware one xD
the hardware codec is hopefully fixed for 1080p at least lol
astral haven
name?
ashen spindle
this joke they gave people on mobile series launch lol
halcyon moss
It's simple!
ashen spindle
it makes more sense than some other namings
still a joke though
at least you can get some info from it and it isnt just some number that means nothing at all
astral haven
better than their previous system, not better than intel
astral haven
12th gen, 4th tier, laptop
ashen spindle
why is 12th desktop and laptop naming different
astral haven
its not?
ashen spindle
one less number
astral haven
its still the same scheme
in front is the gen
at the end is the tier
the letter(s) is(are) special features
desktop has 3 numbers for tier
(for now)
ashen spindle
how do I know its a 12 not a 124 or a 1 when 12xxx is also used in desktops like a 12900H
cursive summit
Not too sure what they are looking for
If H100's success is their only basis then that's a bit weird
astral haven
how do I know its a 12 not a 124 or a 1 when 12xxx is also used in desktops like...
because intel hasnt been making core processors for 124 years yet?
ashen spindle
same thing as the last time it was posted
not for 12 years either nor is it 1st gen the real 1st gen
astral haven
12th gen is the 12th year of the core branding afaik
astral haven
nehalem was such trash that they just restarted in 2010
westmere (still nehalem but less garbage) in 2010
was still first gen core
2nd gen was 2011
ashen spindle
also 13th gen is raptor lake but below 13600 or so its alder lake lol
so not really clear either
sure thats just a refresh but still
astral haven
yea that part was atrocious, but i blame amd for starting it
and it is at least in fact only on their lower tiers
there arent any i7 or i9 from the previous gen
and there also arent any 2 gens back!!!!!!
ashen spindle
sure but the naming technically doesnt stop that
just saying the lineup is cleaner but only if you know it, without the numbers aren't explaining anything
astral haven
yep
at least intel makes their garbage mostly clear
the worst intel infraction is the i3 n300
and that cpu is awesomly performant
ashen spindle
yeah but I have no clue what that is, mendo I at least could see from the 2
idk if its better for the enduser tbf
astral haven
you can tell that its garbo because it doesnt get a full number
astral haven
idk if its better for the enduser tbf
its not
i3 5 7 9 was readable
now intel is screwing it up with ultra bs
ashen spindle
oh I meant mendo vs n300
astral haven
sure but you can buy a "ryzen 5 7000" mendocino
ryzen 5
released in 2022
must be goodish?
ashen spindle
yeah thats why I said idk which one I like more
its misleading but at least follows a pattern
astral haven
i3 at least tells you its not great
ashen spindle
tbf I dont think anything but chromebooks has mendo
halcyon moss
Recent i3s have been quite capable
astral haven
tbf I dont think anything but chromebooks has mendo
and for now only singleboard computers have n300 lel
halcyon moss
a nas for performance purposes? why
gusty kiln
prob editing over NAS
halcyon moss
still, dont need super high performance even then
gusty kiln
also silent operation
halcyon moss
prob editing over NAS
and that does sound like an exception.
ashen spindle
if you use it for not just picture backups and access it it's nice to now wait a long time for file copy
halcyon moss
also silent operation
almost any nas can be silent if you dont use spinny drives
gusty kiln
yes, and that is what that nas is exactly
it only uses m.2 drives
not sure why you are complaining about more options
halcyon moss
yeah.. then again.. most of the time you can store a nas somewhere where you 're not near it.
halcyon moss
not sure why you are complaining about more options
fair point
gusty kiln
that's my ideal buying time
even at like sata speed, it'll still saturate 10GBe if you raid enough of em
lol
getting real tired of your shit
astral haven
yea a ton of photographers will mass apply luts
with modern cameras spray and pray is pretty common, especially for nature
here is holding my shutter down for about half a second
gusty kiln
astral haven
here is holding my shutter down for about half a second
yea this was with manual focus cause the bird was to smol for my camera at the time
my new camera can autofocus on something that tiny!
final flame
Ah yes editing 90k photos, totally not going to mark 90% of them rejected in Lightroom
astral haven
sure but before you reject em, you gotta load them from your nas first
final flame
I've seen the grells just haven't seen any reviewers actually cover them
gusty kiln
I don't think the TWS were that good
final flame
Yea I don't think so either
steep creek
not too fond of the fitbit subscription
i just use one watch haha
yeah friend of mine has been bugging me to get a garmin one, ill probably end up doing that if i move away from iphone
astral haven
my garmin is going great, i did get a screen protector and break that tho lel
steep creek
or a gshock, i like how durable it is
final flame
Wanna know what's great, a selfwinding watch
astral haven
what selfwinding watch can show me notifications from my phone?
steep creek
the barometer is cool to have
astral haven
my watch has gps, dunno if it has a real altimiter or just uses that for height
steep creek
what garmin watch do you have?
young pecan
Wanna know what's great, a selfwinding watch
Y’know what’s even better? A watch that does more than just the time.
astral haven
dont think you can use it without activating gps
steep creek
ah thats a cool one, a friend of mine has the instinct solar, it seems pretty nice
hm
astral haven
the instinct is the higher version
steep creek
i see
final flame
Y’know what’s even better? A watch that does more than just the time.
Y'know what's better? not having to charge a watch
astral haven
solar watch 
steep creek
im mostly dependent on gps backtracking for when going on hikes and such, not so much the altimeter, but its a nice thing to have
astral haven
yea unfortunately the garmin to get the long battery life has to disable the gps
young pecan
Y'know what's better? not having to charge a watch
I genuinely would rather charge my watch every 2 days than be stuck with something that I can replace by being able to count and look at the sun and moon. 
final flame
Many of these features that premium watches have are unnecessary for the average person, so don't pay for them if you only need to tell the time
steep creek
yeah but to be fair gps drains every watch, garmin probably lasts the longest of them all
astral haven
actually you could probably get more accurate time from the sun and stars than from a self winding watch unless you recalibrate it every few months...
young pecan
I mean really what’s even the use of an analogue watch? Anywhere you really need one there’s a better choice and if you’re wanting a general view of the time then literally looking up exists.
Most useless buy.
steep creek
im fine with charging my watch, because i charge my phone and earbuds anyways
astral haven
Many of these features that premium watches have are unnecessary for the average...
my watch goes bzz when i leave my phone somewhere, it also goes bzz when someone is calling me and my phone is on silent
it also shows my texts so i dont have to pull out my phone
young pecan
^
Getting texts quickly, timers and alarms, heartrate monitoring, etc. All of this is good features.
steep creek
also dont have to carry around the phone everywhere, watch does it for me with esim
young pecan
Eheehhhh you lose me there.
steep creek
im just tired of having to bring my phone outside lol, its just me though
astral haven
that one isnt super nescessary that often and requires a subscription
steep creek
yeah i pay about 2 usd, to be able to have an esim for my watch
astral haven
thats not gramatically accurate but i understand what you meant
young pecan
Just look up 4shed.
astral haven
yeah i pay about 2 usd, to be able to have an esim for my watch
yea multiply by 5 for us pricing 😭
steep creek
ahh
final flame
Getting texts quickly, timers and alarms, heartrate monitoring, etc. All of this...
Y'know what great, people not contacting you ;)
young pecan
Y’know tho. I’m sleepy af and happy. I managed to do proper deployment grade Kube so this day ended well for me.
Screw everything.
astral haven
you can in fact just set it to favorites only like I do
young pecan
Y'know what great, people not contacting you ;)
Ah that’s not so bad. I’m fine answering the odd message or two.
astral haven
its actually a problem when work or family cant get a hold of you in an emergency
coarse cloak
Y'know what great, people not contacting you ;)
final flame
When I'm at my desk at home my phone is on my nightstand, When I'm at school my phone is out on the desk easily accessible
young pecan
I need more servers like a bag of potatoes needs soil.
No such thing as tech saturation.
astral haven
When I'm at my desk at home my phone is on my nightstand, When I'm at school my ...
and my phone stays in my pocket as much as possible, that way i only see notifications I have whitelisted
at home it stays on the charger but is usually in DND mode to avoid random notifications from interrupting whatever im doing
astral haven
same difference
coarse cloak
9
coarse cloak
steep creek
same, usually in whatever focus mode is appropriate for where i am
young pecan
I only do this if someone starts messaging me when I’m trying to sleep. Otherwise discord is a direct path to DM me at basically any time.
It’s good being a heavy sleeper sometimes. Random notifs don’t wake me up.
crisp granite
it's a watch
that does watch things
which is great if you occasionally leave your phone not on your person because you don't want to do phone things
but some people insist on buying watches that do phone things...
...speaking of watch things
ordered a new watch, should be coming soon™️
coarse cloak
what'd you get
steep creek
looks sweet, i really like that color
coarse cloak
looks nice
crisp granite
in retrospect, would be easier to coordinate outfits with a black face...and I am a sucker for single hands, but that would take a bit of mental bandwidth to use, which I don't have
something like this tbh
...buyer's remorse kicking in
damn it
forgive me, wallet
empty wren
12 hours more cost more
final flame
You see I like the color, but that single hand confuses me lol
The hand design is very sexy tho
astral haven
@ashen spindle https://youtu.be/LinZxvQ5oko
Shit
astral haven
Just that sepiroth has been tied to the deck TV thing
ashen spindle
oh so not actually much news
astral haven
no but i was copium about sepiroth being vr related somehow
ashen spindle
I mean technically it could be dual used
wheat plume
<@150712028217081866> https://youtu.be/LinZxvQ5oko
Shit
Oooo???
There's been rumors for ages about this
ashen spindle
yes it's not new
astral haven
yea, its just me higher than anyone else on copium about deckard
thick elk
Realistically, VR would mostly be a nice hobby for valve. While a new vr set would be great, the market isn't really there.
and with that I say good night
astral haven
if they dont release the deckard within a year of vision pro, apple will eat their lunch
steep creek
looks like they are going slow, since it will only be available in the US to begin with
ashen spindle
apple is slow because they can produce faster
steep creek
yeah not a small number exactly, i know a few people who cant tolerate it at all
also the procedure to get one isnt as straight forward, if you wear glasses it adds more complexity and cost to the product
astral haven
its around 20% but it does depend on the quality
in theory if you are retina at 20khz with under a ms of latency, noone will be able to notice
the more interesting stat is that 20% of people are immune to that type of motion sickness
also coincidentally a requirement to be a fighter pilot in the airforce lmao
astral haven
its around 20% but it does depend on the quality
also these studies were pretty old and shitty, in the pre oculus days
a friend of mine cannot wear the cv1 or vive, for more than 3-5 seconds when sitting down but only has problems in the index under scenarios where they would get sick irl or when it lags
mild dome
I heard that placing a virtual nose into the viewspace of the headset tends to improve motion sickness. Has anyone experimented with that since?
astral haven
The fov of current headsets is such that your real nose is still visible lel
Mostly
Tho actually with the newer stuff that might be interesting
The problem however is that the latency of the shnoz might cause problems
night bolt
Guys, can I change my keycaps from Iso Spanish to Iso US ?
molten wraith
whats the most popular iphone 15 pro color
the white one looks boujee but alot of ppl r going natural because of scratch mark contrast ?
astral haven
go to the order page and check the expected ship date
but it is most likely still black, just grey being more popular than last time since its "natural"
molten wraith
yeah the white one has the most farthest out ship date
im assuming thats because all the girls always need to have the newest white iphone though
digital cliff
maybe but white is best
reef patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFueHezlaJ0
I don't think I've ever seen (or heard) a harddrive this bad xD
thorny mirage
Eliminate so real
cursive summit
3000 isn't all that much
young pecan
Really depends how big those files are.
young pecan
F to pay respects. We love a good massive NATO data breach.
cursive summit
It's not even massive?
This is a pretty miniscule breach with nothing important really leaked
young pecan
No that's what I'm saying, it wasn't but we love it when it is.
cursive summit
I mean, I do love my government secrets being leaked
Give me some top secret files any day of the week
young pecan
Like that one US no fly list leak that was literally one file of importance that contained 2 million names of which a vast majority were Muhammed.
Ah yes, racial profiling isn't real. 
cursive summit
Ah yes, racial profiling isn't real. <:pepega:631900588929712138>
And there's nothing wrong with that
cursive summit
But muh nazi gold
young pecan
How many fucks do they give? Nothing, not one, zero.
hasty thunder
hasty thunder
i mean the price
cursive summit
400 euros are not far from Edition XS
cursive summit
Seems about right
hasty thunder
How in the fucking world is a € price hike of 33% right?
cursive summit
VAT 
hasty thunder
it's always the god damn fucking same... $500 for a 7800XT in the US. Europe? Can go fuck itself... 750€+ at launch
like wtf
hasty thunder
yep
reef patrol
VAT? No. Import duties? Yes.
hasty thunder
even if, that would be 360€ at the end
cursive summit
Import duties are 0% here so
cursive summit
even if, that would be 360€ at the end
That is how much these should be in EU
So, normal pricing
hasty thunder
VAT? No. Import duties? Yes.
no Import duties, because Norway
hasty thunder
reef patrol
Exactly why there are import duties.
Norway's not in the EU so buying from there to EU results in import fees just like buying from the UK or US. Buying TO Norway from EU is the same.
cursive summit
Norway's not in the EU so buying from there to EU results in import fees just li...
That damn 21% VAT tax 
hasty thunder
still, buying from the US is even cheaper for me actually
cursive summit
still, buying from the US is even cheaper for me actually
Usually
hasty thunder
kinda stupid how importing stuff becomes cheaper than buying it here, but here we are
reef patrol
Eh never say never. But the UK won't be getting all of those sweet concessions they got the last time. It will be one their knees begging to rejoin.
steady sail
That damn 21% VAT tax <:pepecry:643973235188170753>
Meanwhile Hungary with 27% tax rate 
mild dome
What is snaps?
wheat plume
Canonical's (the people who make Ubuntu) app packaging format that uses a proprietary server to host them
fair gull
i mean the same can theoretically happen to apt
umbral heron
Hah
Fuck snaps
Flatpak does everything snap do but better, Canonical being a nuisance again, just like with LXD lately
Hopefully apt will stay as is, and Canonical won't have any ideas to sabotage Debian
young pecan
Meanwhile Talos exists and fuck me if it’s not Linux at it’s best.
Shell is for plebs. Edit machine code manually for perf go brrrrrrrrt.
thick elk
The problem with the Snap store is that it's user-facing, and can directly be installed from the store. At that point you have to offer something more safe.
They don't even offer directly visible metrics of popularity / ratings.
Contrast that to the AUR which already comes with a large disclaimer and is setup in a way abusing it is harder.
Flathub is a lot more cucrated so not a fair comparison. Yiu can host flatpaks elsewhere
wheat plume
Flatpak does everything snap do but better, Canonical being a nuisance again, ju...
Yeh
I'm a fan of Flatpak!
I will still natively install shit if I have that option but Flatpak is my second choice if native isn't possible
ashen spindle
storm peak has been known for over a year
umbral heron
Yeh
I'm a fan of Flatpak!
I will still natively install shit if I have that o...
Same here, I got used to Flatpak when I got Steam Deck, quite useful and convenient when it comes to some apps like Discord
thick elk
I have used Flatpak years ago on debian testing at work to get more recent packages but it was a pain to use. With config overrides to get gtk2 styling working and other stupid annoyances of sandboxing breaking things. Have not used it since that system moved to arch as well and the general roll out of Linux got cancelled over some stupid issue. on my Deck it works okay for how I use it but my preference is still native packages.
wheat plume
Same here, I got used to Flatpak when I got Steam Deck, quite useful and conveni...
Yeh same xd
Steam deck gang!!
Flatpak does sometimes have issues loading the system themr
And for me, discord on Deck won't use my cursor theme
Uses the fallback x cursor
wheat plume
Any packages from AUR and pacman get wiped when the Deck has a system update ....
empty wren
Mm yes water block that costs the same as the console
reef patrol
Hardly EK's fault. But I'm more concerned with if it presents sensor information properly, and if it actually matters noticeably in terms of temps, noise and CPU/GPU speed.
raw zephyr
Any packages from AUR and pacman get wiped when the Deck has a system update ......
that is unfortunate
umbral heron
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Create an account and unlock 1 bonus article.
cursive summit
coarse cloak
ok glad to know my bypass paywalls is working
cursive summit
Imagine asking people to PAY for your service, and then serving ads while siphoning and probably selling user data too
Like, come on
coarse cloak
🤑
young pecan
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-pro-7000-storm-peak-cpus-unveil-19th...
@hardy idol Epic, we have a time for the launch.
hardy idol
<@321357628376875008> Epic, we have a time for the launch.
yeah but no money
vagrant pagoda
tr pro was already pretty much si only
vagrant pagoda
likely only OEM and SI for now
"limited DIY availability"
it will be just like 5000 pro
ashen spindle
thats not the official wording just speculation so far
young pecan
likely only OEM and SI for now
Only interested in full specs.
young pecan
thats not the official wording just speculation so far
This is correct for WS chips probably, but fortunately we have an active HEDT line this time around.
young pecan
Do we not? That's what literally every source I've seen so far has been saying and all of the reliable leakers.
Been looking at it for the last like 6 months. Early I was doubtful but the rumors and leaks keep suggesting HEDT.
ashen spindle
ever since I saw storm peak cpu in a bench last year I dont remember seeing a non pro sku come up
young pecan
Yeah pretty sure we haven't seen any bench for HEDT.
There was this that got leaked though.
Has WX and X series, would suggest HEDT and WS models.
ashen spindle
from where was that
vagrant pagoda
Has WX and X series, would suggest HEDT and WS models.
wx is 8 channel and x is 4 channel again i bet
young pecan
Seen it from a few sources, afaik Guru3D was the first major to show it but idk the OP.
young pecan
wx is 8 channel and x is 4 channel again i bet
Easy bet, yeah.
wheat plume
So uh
Mpv isn't working on my laptop ....
And discord either
young pecan
from where was that
Ok so this leak originated with Momomo_US and was crossposted on Tom'sHardware.
ashen spindle
well we did have zen3 non pro skus as well so the planning alone still doesnt say much, but would be nice
young pecan
Fr
Finally Ryzen would be worthless to me.
Shit tier F grade platform anyway with it's garbage limit on PCIe lanes.
vagrant pagoda
well we did have zen3 non pro skus as well so the planning alone still doesnt sa...
intel had no comp then lol
ashen spindle
till zen5 because zen5 tr will be later again
vagrant pagoda
I'd happily trade 30% perf for more lanes.
so youre running chagall then?
wheat plume
Discord only works again when I delete .config/discord
and I have to login again each time I do that
young pecan
so youre running chagall then?
Nope, 5800X3D. Not from choice though.
wheat plume
and mpv only works for audio
vagrant pagoda
thats the real deal think we will get x3d tr
ashen spindle
doubt it
young pecan
I did a 6700K -> 3900X upgrade and then switched the CPU since that was my cheapest way. If I had more money at the time I probably would have done TR.
ashen spindle
too niche to validate that over epyc-x
young pecan
and mpv only works for audio
Linux problem?
young pecan
Ikr.
Been eyeballing making an Epyc server for a year and a half, can't justify it.
Thank fuck for HEDT. 
vagrant pagoda
yeah the 16 core x is 5k lol;
young pecan
All hail the Arco Linux repos
Ah yes. An OS that doesn't work when it needs to work, truly the best daily driver.
WSL2 is just the best way to enjoy Linux as a daily, ngl.
vagrant pagoda
but for 5k you can run your entire system in l3
young pecan
How much L3 does it have?
ashen spindle
doesnt quite work like that but the thought is funny
young pecan
If there is ANY group of people that'll make it happen it's those freaks.
vagrant pagoda
doom rec spec is a 386 with 4mb
you can run doom on most micros that monitor mobo vrms
young pecan
Clearly needs to be in Epyc L3.
astral haven
problem is epyc l3 isnt unified 😦
ashen spindle
it's cache not not dram is the bigger issues
if you have hbm on cpu you can just put it in there, cache isnt what you directly store things in usually
astral haven
you can kinda force stuff into cache
actually no you can actually force stuff into cache im pretty sure
ashen spindle
yeah but it's more than and not the cache size thats the issue, no need for 3d stacked cache if regular cpus already have enough to contain all of doom
ashen spindle
doom rec spec is a 386 with 4mb
if its 4 mb it fits into the 32mb l3 of zen3 lol
astral haven
its not 4MB but yea
ashen spindle
or that yeah
astral haven
also keep in mind you need the storage+ the memory
so you need a total of 20MB
but still that aint much
makes me think of kkreiger
🤤
but those prices holy smokes
astral haven
ye, but its the equivalent of buying a macbook + an ipad
since it does the job of both better
gusty kiln
Lol what device is this exactly? Surface studio?
astral haven
surface laptop studio
gusty kiln
Ah
astral haven
gusty kiln
I really liked that design
But yeah price is a bit high at the time I was shopping for a laptop
astral haven
120hz +touch
gusty kiln
Now I can afford it much more comfortably
But I'll wait a little longer for an upgrade
gusty kiln
I also like the detachable laptop design
Yeah
Base model with amd would be great
Rdna3 Igpu would be enough for most people
astral haven
i got to use one of these and it blows the detachables out of the water
its just so much better of a design
wheat plume
Seems to be an issue with the GPU driver
I have integrated Intel drivers
gusty kiln
Is the hinge tensioned?
astral haven
the lower hinge is
gusty kiln
Oo
astral haven
the upper hinge is free
gusty kiln
Damn
astral haven
yea it holds itself in place with magnets
(upper hinge)
so yea you do only get 3 positions
laptop, tent, and tablet
gusty kiln
Would be cool if it had the hinge of the ipad pro stand
astral haven
eh but then it would not fold flat
gusty kiln
That's true
astral haven
the ipad pro stand is awful
the surface legitimately works great
it also provides single cable docking unlike the macbooks
gusty kiln
Do we have a ballpark price of the minis forum tablet?
astral haven
docks for 140w for the macbooks are starting to come out but the surface has always had the surface dock
which bonus is magnetic!
gusty kiln
the surface legitimately works great
it also provides single cable docking unli...
Is it still that small side charging stick?
astral haven
Do we have a ballpark price of the minis forum tablet?
no, but dont expect under a grand
I dont expect over 2 tho
gusty kiln
Hmmm reasonable
astral haven
Is it still that small side charging stick?
the stick doesnt carry video, if you want video its a larger connector but basically yea
gusty kiln
Ah
astral haven
gusty kiln
Oh man I missed that hinge design
astral haven
its pretty nice lel
gusty kiln
And it's the detachable
astral haven
yep
pic isnt from me but ive got one on my desk
use it as an external monitor lel
gusty kiln
astral haven
incredible lel
gusty kiln
Also it's a shame that amd only got into microsoft device for one generation then poof nothing
astral haven
well that was partially because that generation was so awful lol
amd really should have waited until they had something good before gunning for the top
4th gen mobile was the first somewhat ok gen
but it wasnt great
gusty kiln
Yeah...
astral haven
but microsoft went with amd in the 3rd gen
gusty kiln
Now everyone is craving the 7840u
astral haven
yup
also tho keep in mind thats only for high end
intel is still taking big ws at the low end
gusty kiln
Yeah, no one talks about the lower sku amd cuz they are mostly rebadges
astral haven
eh problem is more the price
fair gull
its sad someone spend so much money on displays when its a completely useless setup
astral haven
i mean its clearly not useless
not practical? sure
but each monitor at least has a use
astral haven
i make effective use of 7 🤷
coarse cloak
i make effective use of 7 🤷
8+ tho
astral haven
I could make use of another 3, i have many programs on monitor 3 and 6
gusty kiln
Make eyefinity great again
gusty kiln
Kek
astral haven
I really want to see an array of vertical g9s
astral haven
also screw amd for that, gotta wait for blackwell for the sweet sweet bandwidth of nvidia
gusty kiln
What the model number for the 57"
gusty kiln
G95NC
astral haven
gusty kiln
gusty kiln
shoot they have region specific models this time
Ew
astral haven
before it was just a suffix
wheat plume
Razer have the fastest wireless mice???
Wait that one isn't wireless
This chart is a mix of wired and wireless
rough osprey
ye this isnt new huh
astral haven
also keep in mind that movement and click latencies are a different story
hasty thunder
the fact that the GPX2 is just 0.2 ms faster is disappointing to say the least
rough osprey
ye they best at both
wheat plume
Apparently mine is average ...
astral haven
but yea logitech was only the first to have reliable wireless
wheat plume
16ms is average for wireless??
astral haven
thats including full pc latency
rough osprey
this is end to end
rough osprey
whatever ldat does
astral haven
ldat can measure in anything
it just looks for changes in brightness right after a click
rough osprey
does it have its own software
keen gull
Hey yall, anyone recommend a good wireless mouse?
hasty thunder
16ms is average for wireless??
i'd rather say it's still among the top of the chart, given that many people fall for SteelSeries and cheaper stuff
wheat plume
Fair...
astral haven
does it have its own software
they do but 16ms is insanely slow for that software
also the software for ldat is meant to be for logging, the advantage of ldat is it works in games running on a different pc from the software
coarse cloak
good to see my viper 8k still at the top for some tests 
coarse cloak
good thing about viper 8k is that click polling rate is always at 8khz
even if ure playing at 1k, 2k or 4k
astral haven
zaunkoenig at 1khz > razer at 8k for click...
its a tragedy that noone else uses reverse debounce
coarse cloak
is it? prolly marginal so thats fine
(and to be expected too)
gusty kiln
Still waiting for pulsar's esport editions mice
coarse cloak
on rtings theres at least 6 other mice that have lower click latency (compared to viper 8k) for sure
wheat plume
astral haven
the v8k has low latency but only because its using optical switches, it still could shave off a significant amount by using better debounce
wheat plume
Ok
This mouse is neat
I'd love to try it
astral haven
Ok
This mouse is neat
I'd love to try it
you can buy a m2k shell for the g305
gusty kiln
Ok
This mouse is neat
I'd love to try it
If you can just finger tip grip
wheat plume
Nah I hate the honeycomb pattern shells
astral haven
m2k is solid shell
wheat plume
Oh
coarse cloak
the v8k has low latency but only because its using optical switches, it still co...
for sure ig
wheat plume
If you can just finger tip grip
That's what I use when gaming
coarse cloak
wish they made a better wired version that costs the same as v8k
but now im stuck w this one for at least a year and a half more
astral haven
zaunkoenig is lower latency and still uses excellent mechanical switches
fickle ore
the v8k has low latency but only because its using optical switches, it still co...
this makes no sense
rough osprey
but new sensor so lower latency through that
astral haven
wont change click latency
rough osprey
yes
rough osprey
haus tries
its $30-40?
maybe hes nice and gives the dc the link earlier
if not ill just buy m3k
astral haven
this makes no sense
what part arent you getting
fickle ore
what part arent you getting
that you think v8k has deferred debounce
Its click latency is same as zk, no difference debounce wise. Mechanically optical switches are slower but that's about it.
astral haven
it either has the most horrendus processing lag ever to be seen on a mouse, or it has some multi sample dependent debounce
fickle ore
Nop
astral haven
🤷 dont fall for the marketing koolaid
they may just be setting the optical cutoff at a fixed level which would have the same effect
but it is definetly not using a single sample latch
a fixed amount of light being received on optical is basically the same as multi sample deferred on mechanical (although it is a better baseline latency)
what you want is transient detection
if the light suddenly starts changing, that is when you should send the click
the zaunkoenig sends the click the first time it detects the metal touching each other, even if it immediately bounces off
astral haven
if the light suddenly starts changing, that is when you should send the click
but actually they cant do this since their mice are too sensitive to sunlight 🤣
not sure how they fixed it but that was a very funny situation
steep creek
that is funny hah
astral haven
im imagining a hilarious situation
pro team sponsored by some optical mouse company playing in a tournament
opposing team gets the TO to flash strobe lights at the stage during a key part of the finals
😦
amd really needs to get a hold on their firmware
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Framework-Laptop-ryzen.011-1440x1080.png
its more efficient but it uses more battery
come on amd
also shows you the quality of apple accelerators lmao
thick oak
Anyone have a good recommendations for best grip tape for dav3
astral haven
only the 2 frameworks and the 2 x1s defineitly have the same batteries
yo wth it has a smaller battery
51wh
see it is fkn firmware bugs, amd can do it well when they try hard enough
steep creek
Oh huh lol, how is it that ahead with 10 watt hours less. Impressive efficiency
steep creek
Very interesting
past locust
if i use rapid trigger mode on my wooting keyboard F key does not work or it will continue to press the F key.
astral haven
past locust
and also my backspace deletes continuously
anyone experiencing same problem with me?
astral haven
<#1019755933959733258>
they can help over there @past locust
past locust
okay thank you
steep creek
Wonder if it’s more related to the design of the cpu or firmware as you stated. I believe intel focuses more on efficiency cores
astral haven
well currently its usb bugs
they have fixed some of the drastic problems, but plugging in an empty usb a module consumes more power than the cpu still
(at idle)
steep creek
I see
astral haven
and this is after a fix that did decrease that power usage
steep creek
Yes I read about its issues when idle but that was a while ago, I thought it would be fixed or nearly a non issue by now
steep creek
Hm what generation intel? I didn’t know of this
astral haven
10th?
it was a framework bug apparently
but intel provides a ton of help fixing implementation issues
especially with thunderbolt
it also was only for the video ports I think?
the ryzen ones are having issues with video and usb a
steep creek
Yeah I think that’s right
My yogabook is using a 10th gen, it seemed alright when using ports. I know it suffers from battery drain but that’s apparently a known issue for the yoga series
astral haven
and while before release framework massively improved it, it still was not fantastic
astral haven
My yogabook is using a 10th gen, it seemed alright when using ports. I know it s...
your yogabook doesnt use replaceable port modules
the framework drops in power usage by 1-2 watts if you leave all the port modules off
steep creek
That’s decent
astral haven
yea but it shouldnt happen
the ports of the computer should draw negligable amounts of power
picowatts
and i mean when they arent in use
steep creek
Yeah that’s true, but it’s assuring that it at least drops power usage when the ports are disconnected. More likely to be a firmware issue than something requiring a redesign for example
astral haven
yup
fickle ore
🤷 dont fall for the marketing koolaid
Eh, where's your proof? We have a lot of proof it isn't so but I guess you've got something else?
astral haven
the latency is higher
astral haven
rtings
fickle ore
lol
astral haven
idk what else you want
like sure its definetly not waiting a fixed amount of time after the click happens to send
but its also definetly not as fast as it could be
fickle ore
but its also definetly not as fast as it could be
it's as fast as could be electronically... The reasons for different resuts is the test method
fickle ore
I'm surprise you aren't aware 😮
astral haven
no i meant the "as fast as it could be electronically"
that is a galaxy brain rationalization on some level or its marketing coolaid
fickle ore
Well how do you plan to make it faster when it has zero debounce and polls every 0.125 ms and the SPI poll is lined to happen within 10µs before the usb polling interval.
Beats me.
It's far more likely the issue is the testing method, optical switch duty cycle, shell difference, pretravel of the switch and all of that is physical delay
fickle ore
Don't need to, the subject is beat to death in other places, if you care you can just google or join some discords 😄
fickle ore
hook up to the diode directly and show the readout
been done
astral haven
so show it?
wheat plume
gusty kiln
Anyone know of a good app for network file exploring?
wheat plume
How are these not the same?
astral haven
Anyone know of a good app for network file exploring?
windows explorer?
filezilla?
gusty kiln
Oh on android
fickle ore
so show it?
LDAT device
astral haven
LDAT device
ldat doesnt connect to the diode
fickle ore
ldat doesnt connect to the diode
but it doesn't include physical delay like rtings.
astral haven
sure but it does include electrical delay just like rtings
fickle ore
yes and its equal between zk..
so where is the difference coming from? Heh
go figure..
astral haven
i can build a system that takes 200ms to register on rtings and will still read .01 on techpowerup
the problem is the optical system
the optical to digital converter is where the problem lies
like if your microswitch has physical debounce that causes latency, that obviously should still be counted
my claim is not that the razer has digital latency
but if the analog part of the system has lag, that is still something to fix
fickle ore
the optical to digital converter is where the problem lies
a single switch has like ns range
not even worth mentioning
astral haven
yep
but even if my switch has sensing times in the ns range,
if i throw a ADC with a minute of integration lag, the reading is gonna be a minute late
fickle ore
far more likely that the optical switches just suck and have more pretravel/optical duty cycle cucked/testing inaccuracy etc
astral haven
🤷 doesnt matter why razer screwed it up, but they definetly arent doing transient detection on the light
astral haven
they may just be setting the optical cutoff at a fixed level which would have th...
while this is functional, its not the best that can be done with an optical switch
think of it like rapid trigger, except in the time domain instead of the distance domain
fickle ore
I agree that the v8k/opticals are slower physically. I suppose the ADC can be considered electrical, but I didn't when I stated they were equal.
astral haven
mechanical vs optical
red is what razer is doing
blue is what something designed as smart as the zaunkoenig could do
astral haven
black is in the analog domain
thats the voltage on the output wire of the switch itself
on optical its a photodiode
on mechanical its the contact
astral haven
hook up to the diode directly and show the readout
this data would prove it one way or another
old marlin
that is just eager debounce
the zaunkönig is not reading analog data btw
someone has a patent on that
fickle ore
that is just eager debounce
I'm sure Fiend has said it somewhere but cba to dig it up, thought that could constitute to drinking coolaid I suppose, since he's a rep.
astral haven
the zaunkönig is not reading analog data btw
i have some bad news for you lel
old marlin
it is reading via a digital pin
the xm1r uses an analog one
that is how it manages to be that high up with 1khz
astral haven
look into Delta sigma AD and DA conversion
a digital readout is an analog signal, just requires more work to do the conversion
old marlin
they still don't read it as an analog signal
but the time the mcu can do something with it it is fully digital
astral haven
but that doesnt matter
the analog circuitry is still their responsibility as the manufacturer
old marlin
also the reason why the zaunkönig can be much quicker is because they debounce entirely different
something you can't do on an optical switch
astral haven
sure you cant do the exact same thing
astral haven
you cant do what zaunkoenig is doing
but I never said that
you can do something "as SMART as" what zaunkoenig is doing
astral haven
not exactly for optical
old marlin
why not lol
astral haven
your ADC will have some integration time
astral haven
yea but thats too late
old marlin
so waht is the difference
astral haven
theres some fancy analog domain stuff you can do
old marlin
like?
astral haven
detect the slope of the optical readout for example
old marlin
?
if you pin supports interrupting the mcu
that is what you do with a good debounce algorythm
astral haven
sure but thats too late
astral haven
you are relying on the readout
we are talking about their optical AD circuit being bad
old marlin
fickle ore
the 0.6 ms difference between v8k and zk
old marlin
cause rtigns is always accurate
fickle ore
Hence my screencap above what Fiend said about the 400 µs difference between zk and v8k/, it doesn't exist
Maybe Fiend is unaware of bad ADC though
vagrant pagoda
@astral haven you know of any of the like pcie-usb riser things but that do bifucation?
astral haven
Hence my screencap above what Fiend said about the 400 µs difference between zk ...
yea TPU is proof that they are doing eager debounce on the digital input to the mcu
old marlin
in rtings testing the m2k gets bested by the chakram core
astral haven
but im talking about how do they get that analog signal
old marlin
which is 1ms slower than the m2k in tpus testing
before tpu went to ldat because some mice don't play nice with it
rtings results are just notoriously unreliable
would not read into them too much
astral haven
sure but find a result where the v8k wins?
and now see if it includes the analog stage or not
old marlin
I am still not sure what you think zaunkönig is doing
fickle ore
I have no proof that rtings results are unreliable, but I'd say it's pretty likely THEM are the biggest source of error in here. 😄
old marlin
third in the list is tha dark core rgb pro btw
at +0.2ms on rtings
to the m2k
and +1.9ms with tpu
old marlin
🤷 and you said you had that proof
when did I say that
astral haven
not you, dag
fickle ore
but you were incorrect
Well, I have 3rd party proof from The Fiend who I trust since they have the equipment. That screencap is enough proof for me, that 90µs is the absolute latency (notice not 62.5 µs). So we have 30 µs external latency from the ADC stuff and whatnot.
old marlin
it's just that you base your entire point on rtings testing which is known to not be reliable
astral haven
Well, I have 3rd party proof from The Fiend who I trust since they have the equi...
so show it?
fickle ore
The screencap? it's there
astral haven
it's just that you base your entire point on rtings testing which is known to no...
rtings and everyone else
astral haven
The screencap? it's there
the raw data
solemn remnant
I have proof that anyone who likes zaunkönig is a dumdum
old marlin
rtings and everyone else
everyone else being?
fickle ore
the raw data
I do not have scientifical proof, you're correct
astral haven
the firmware engineer will not be able to see this
fickle ore
Razer has equipment worth millions prob, I'm sure they can see it
astral haven
def
fickle ore
If he says 90µs is the absolute value, I believe that. Hence Im on koolaid
astral haven
but its nothing the firmware engineer could do anything about unless they did use DS or direct analog reading
astral haven
If he says 90µs is the absolute value, I believe that. Hence Im on koolaid
sure but the absolute value of what
fickle ore
sure but the absolute value of what
I think the electric part + ADC + integration + etc what ur talking about. I'm not including the physicals (switch pretravel, case, construction, spring force, etc.) here. Atleast thats how I read it, plus he never mentions the physicals in these discussions.
astral haven
lets say that the electrical engineer throws an electrical low pass filter that has a cutoff of 500hz
and the digital readout latches at 50%
lets assume that the analog value of the optical sensor jumps from 0 to 100% in less than 1ns (aka not a factor)
If the ELPF is -20db/decade, the fastest the digital readout could detect the eletrical change would be just over 1ms
with a 1ns switch
astral haven
everyone else being?
like again find a result where the zaunkoenig loses
and then check to see how they are testing
cursive summit
Cody's back! https://youtu.be/TbWrzpDmH0w
And yes this is technically tech talk
This man goes from some basic chemistry, to farming stuff, even a hand magnet implant
And now is specializing in rocket science
astral haven
also building a self sustaining environment that if it were sealed could actually work on mars
old marlin
like again find a result where the zaunkoenig loses
To what
fickle ore
like again find a result where the zaunkoenig loses
In theory with perfect real world setup the zaunkoening should win in averages. But by over 500 µs? I'll believe the 10-30 µs tho. Also I've not seen anyone except you argue Zaunkoening would be 0.5 ms faster or that they believe rtings results 100 %. I'd say the burden of proof is on you at this point. Also technically you're the best equipped to test this out of most people.
old marlin
It looses in rtings testing to the chakram core
astral haven
In theory with perfect real world setup the zaunkoening should win in averages. ...
my only problem is that I refuse to provide any money to razer lel
fickle ore
The Chakram core vs zk now is a much more interesting result from rtings . That should provide us with an inkling of the range/stdev for Rtings testing bench
fickle ore
my only problem is that I refuse to provide any money to razer lel
make the bench first, buy from amazon and return? 😛
astral haven
amazon returns on a mouse that ive disassembled?
doubt
astral haven
v8k are 25eur?
fickle ore
tbh im sure someone on reddit would even gift one for him to make this test
or on latency discords
astral haven
sure but any findings i find would be completely inactionable
astral haven
do you really think it hasnt sold in 2 months?
Also I dont have any karma on reddit lel
wheat plume
TIL about Razer Motion Sync
And it's fucking cool
