If not for gaming I'd run Apple
#🔌│tech
cursive summit
steep creek
I’ve become too used to having a touchscreen on my laptop and at least one usb a port, also ability to dual boot is really nice
cursive summit
I wish apple could game cause that build quality is cheff's kiss
Maybe they could partner with Intel to incorporate Arcs into Macbooks
steep creek
Yeah they are well built. If you are waiting for gaming it might become a reality now with the game porting kit introduced in sonoma
cursive summit
An A750 would be a pretty damn good GPU to incorporate
steep creek
Yeah they are well built. If you are waiting for gaming it might become a realit...
Or the start of it
cursive summit
Yeah they are well built. If you are waiting for gaming it might become a realit...
I have already seen porting kit's tests, it's horrible
Apple just needs proper discrete GPUs
Not some beefed up APU design
ashen spindle
Does an a750 even beat the m2 apu
steep creek
Not sure if their socs support discrete gpu’s though
cursive summit
Does an a750 even beat the m2 apu
At least the Arc would allow me to play anything Windows has to offer without having to rely on people having to port games to Mac
ashen spindle
Which you don’t have to rely of because they habe their version of proton with the toolkit now
cursive summit
So I could play oldies from 1990s like Heroes of Might and Magic 3 with no performance drops?
steep creek
But Linux dose
Yep thought so
ashen spindle
Idk get someone to try the porting toolkit with it and see
cursive summit
Idk get someone to try the porting toolkit with it and see
They already did?
ashen spindle
And what’s the performance
vagrant pagoda
It other oses didn't have the issue
steep creek
They don’t fare well with unsupported hardware
cursive summit
That's an M2 Max
ashen spindle
Cyberpunk is not a 1990 jfc
cursive summit
30FPS lol
ashen spindle
It’s not from 1990 ffs
cursive summit
The M2 Pro is pretty damn bad
vagrant pagoda
Also cp2077 is a dx game
cursive summit
It’s not from 1990 ffs
Well are you thinking I'm only going to play oldies or something
vagrant pagoda
And apple has zero support for it in hardware or software
cursive summit
I need Mac to run all games on equivalent perf to windows
ashen spindle
You were the one talking about it
vagrant pagoda
So that's all getting translated to mental
halcyon moss
Also cp2077 is a dx game
tell that to the steamdeck 🙂
cursive summit
I did, but that's cause even Arc supposedly really struggled at launch with, what did they call them, tier 3 games?
The "not meaningful or old" titles
ashen spindle
Maybe look at any other game that’s not a known mess like cyberpunk and see how that performs
Ofc it’s not perfect for newest AAA games that can’t even run well natively
cursive summit
Mac for me would need to run games like AAA and old "shareware" games perfectly to switch
old marlin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_ZCCnDh2Qk&pp=ygUibWFjIGdhbWUgcG9ydGluZyB0b29sa...
they never name what resolution that is?
vagrant pagoda
Also dx to vulkan is much more mature
cursive summit
they never name what resolution that is?
It's on the sidebar
old marlin
ah
cursive summit
vagrant pagoda
That's why they have games on phones though
halcyon moss
thats a high res
vagrant pagoda
The phones support normal graphic standards
cursive summit
For 2000$+ computers Apple's gaming perf sure sucks
cursive summit
thats a high res
Barely above FHD
16:10 it seems and just a bit higher res than FHD
vagrant pagoda
Non-native gameplay sucks
cursive summit
just about 30FPS is really bad on a 2000$+ piece of hardware
ashen spindle
Almost like that’s the first beta version on a laptop not made primarily for gaming with a heavy running game
ashen spindle
Cyberpunk had 30fps on windows 2000€ machines on launch lmfao
At least make a better argument
halcyon moss
Almost like that’s the first beta version on a laptop not made primarily for gam...
true, its impressive it runs at all, different arch and all
cursive summit
Last I checked Linux could emulate Windows games with equal performance to Windows.. on emulation
What's not allowing Apple to do the same
vagrant pagoda
Last I checked Linux could emulate Windows games with equal performance to Windo...
It isn't a software issue it's a hardware issue
old marlin
Last I checked Linux could emulate Windows games with equal performance to Windo...
it's not emulation
cursive summit
Well, other than the fact they don't even having proper discrete GPU cards
vagrant pagoda
Really easy to run different OS underneath something that runs on the same hardware
old marlin
it's not emulation
it is literally in the name that wine is not an emulator
vagrant pagoda
Apple silicone has zero open GL 0 Vulcan and zero DirectX
ashen spindle
This is literally the first attempt and it’s not like the gpu is the most expensive part in an apple
cursive summit
Like, what's not allowing Apple to get some Intel GPUs, get Intel drivers on Mac, rip off Wine code off of Linux
old marlin
neither is rosetta and presumably metal
cursive summit
And suddenly it can do emulation perfectly well
halcyon moss
Like, what's not allowing Apple to get some Intel GPUs, get Intel drivers on Mac...
this IS WINE
old marlin
lol
vagrant pagoda
If you look at a native Apple silicone game the performance per watt is amazing
halcyon moss
every windows emulation uses wine
cursive summit
Rosetta 2 uses wine?
halcyon moss
because you'd be insane to start from scratch
vagrant pagoda
Yeah
Also wine is not an emulator
It's a translation layer
That's also literally the acronym
cursive summit
Sorry, not particularly versed in the Linux side of things
halcyon moss
proton is wine
old marlin
Sorry, not particularly versed in the Linux side of things
well feel free to learn that name
since windows on arm uses a translation layer as well
cursive summit
Cause instead of Apple getting some Arc A770s for a tiny premium and having a discrete GPU to run games perfectly well, and collab with Intel
Apple just makes massiver chips that cost like 4000$ lol
Why would I buy a 4000$ "M2 Max" laptop when a Windows laptop with an RTX 4090 is like 3 grand
vagrant pagoda
Considering the base M2 can play a 2023 AAA game
old marlin
I doubt apple would want to work with intel atm
vagrant pagoda
Most users don't even need to be high-end ones
halcyon moss
arent the ,2 max's as fast as 4090? 🤣 (if you believe apple marketing)
vagrant pagoda
I doubt apple would want to work with intel atm
I mean apple is the one that closed that bridge off
Not intel
steep creek
If you look at native games like no man’s sky it performs pretty alright
vagrant pagoda
But the fact that they are dropping x86 support from OSX means there is very little chance
vagrant pagoda
If you look at native games like no man’s sky it performs pretty alright
Look at bg3
It runs on the air
But it will cook your nuts
cursive summit
M2 Pro runs BG3 at QHD perfectly well it seems
But that's the annoying part for devs, you have to port everything
steep creek
yeah hah i would steer away from the fanless air
cursive summit
Cause emulation's not great
vagrant pagoda
Kind of like supporting both big consoles
steep creek
but it does run well true
vagrant pagoda
Xbox is easy because it runs windows
And uses DirectX
So according to PlayStation is probably about the same as sporting command
ashen spindle
Apple does not give two fucks about developers that’s why the user experience is first
vagrant pagoda
Porting to mac
Apple actually has really good ide
They just have poor support for anything out of what they want
Considering bg3 has been patching Mac at the same rate as Windows I don't think it's that big of an issue
The patches go live on both at the same time
ashen spindle
Oh yeah once it’s running it’s not difference from just a console
vagrant pagoda
Did they do first party port or did they hire somebody I don't know?
vagrant pagoda
Yeah
cursive summit
And why is Sharp selling more than the golden child of Japan, Sony
vagrant pagoda
Japan's preference for domestic is almost as crazy as American
Out of five of my Japanese friends three of them would die before owning a iPhone or pixel lol
cursive summit
Well, Sharp it seems
old marlin
ah
cursive summit
Which per GSMArena haven't released anything interesting in a few years now
Yet somehow still sell more than Sony who release flagships yearly
old marlin
yea because they are stupid expensive 
cursive summit
https://www.gsmarena.com/sharp_aquos_r5g-11843.php this isn't any cheaper lol
700 eur with specs of an Xperia 5 which is about the same pricing
cursive summit
It seems Sharps last phone launch was 2021 as far as I'm seeing
vagrant pagoda
yea because they are stupid expensive <:KEKW:709804361861169202>
You should see metro power prices lol
old marlin
this thing apparently sold well last year
old marlin
You should see metro power prices lol
?
cursive summit
Interesting, Sharp has literally not had a single new smartphone launch since 2021
Yet they sell well
Bizarre developments
And even then their 2021 launch they had only a single phone, and it was mid
old marlin
what
that is like
alright
I live in germany
my parents live in a VERY rural area
cursive summit
0.3$ kwh is horrible lol
old marlin
and pay 36 cents rn
cursive summit
We used to have 0.12$ before war lol
empty wren
Anywhere outside the US android dominates though
old marlin
atm prices for new contracts are ~29.4 cents
vagrant pagoda
Yeah .3 to .4 in a city is crazy
old marlin
Anywhere outside the US android dominates though
very much not the case
ashen spindle
Some new contracts are still at the price limit that is currently set
Trying to get people before that goes lower
old marlin
Some new contracts are still at the price limit that is currently set
you love too see it
empty wren
very much not the case
Does Europe have a love for iPhones or do you mean elsewhere?
old marlin
Does Europe have a love for iPhones or do you mean elsewhere?
very dependent on country
halcyon moss
atm prices for new contracts are ~29.4 cents
thats cheap! i dont think you can get that in NL
cursive summit
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Data seems outdated, per bloomberg in Japan iOS is now minority
45% - 55%
empty wren
Would apple give the FBI a backdoor to his phone is the real question 
cursive summit
Lol north Korea 99.4
That is literally what makes no sense though
That data is twisted
empty wren
Truly we might not know
cursive summit
NK frequently advertises how they flaunt their domestically produced phones
empty wren
Because that country is quite private
cursive summit
Which are just imported Huaweis or Xiaomis
How are they 99.5% iOS when that country flaunts their domestic android market lol
And iOS is just an embodiment of capitalism anyways
gusty kiln
Android for the common folks, ios for the ruling class
empty wren
President only allowed iPhone in US
severe phoenix
old marlin
chinese imports could include iphones
cursive summit
<:DANG:1027306028347424858> chinese imports could include iphones
Nope
I saw a doc on that topic
It's Huawei phones dressed up in some local brand skin to be sold as a "domestic design"
old marlin
you know what I meant
cursive summit
Definitely not 99.5% of market share though lol
Data's fookd
Pixel used to be very relevant
Back when 5 and 6 Pro were like 500-600$
I doubt that Google now crossing that 1000$ barrier bodes well
It was cool to have the Google flagship for about 500$
The price now doubled
Well considering that Apple finally canned iPhone SEs, yes
steep creek
Well considering that Apple finally canned iPhone SEs, yes
They’re likely not canned. They are rumored to come back when the modem is ready
gusty kiln
Smol fone are ded
cursive summit
They’re likely not canned. They are rumored to come back when the modem is ready
Per all reports they are canned
gusty kiln
Like 5"?
steep creek
Will get more clear during 2025/2026 I suppose
cursive summit
Why did it DOUBLE
In price
While nowhere near doubling effective performance of camera, or SoC, or experience or build quality or anything
What we do know is that they will be a lot more expensive
And rumours say they will break a grand barrier
They literally will
G3s cost a lot more to manufacture
Don't talk to me about things I follow closely 
Tf
You alright?
And you are getting mugged off
astral haven
G3s cost a lot more to manufacture
Not anywhere near as much as the a15 lmao
steep creek
Not anywhere near as much as the a15 lmao
A16 too was about 110$ lol
cursive summit
Užknisai 😄
yeah you're not lying
But that's just EU costs lol
Eh you can just buy this instead instead of feeding the shit companies in our country https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Google-Pixel-Pro-Smartphone-Telephoto/dp/B0BDJ55SSD
old marlin
I mean
there is only one company assembling here
- nokia
nokia being the only one making something even close to viable to most people
cursive summit
Has Nokia stopped releasing ultrabudget phones yet?
old marlin
idk
cursive summit
Nope they are still releasing budget phones lol
I remember their "flagship" announcement, that was quite cool
Was it Nokia 8?
And they never did a flagship ever again
Oh it was Nokia 10
And.. they never released it
gusty kiln
Nokia/hmd have plenty of phones in the 200-300 range
cursive summit
Nokia/hmd have plenty of phones in the 200-300 range
And no flagships lol
gusty kiln
Kek, they can't really compete and it wouldn't even work as a loss leader
devout raptor
999€ for a 3060 ti😂 this store sure has competitive prices
fickle ore
999€ for a 3060 ti😂 this store sure has competitive prices
thats power for you lmfao
cursive summit
You sure it's not 999.9 pence?
devout raptor
thats power for you lmfao
powers prices are insane
devout raptor
You sure it's not 999.9 pence?
im sure
devout raptor
they sell 3080 ti for 2229€
cursive summit
covid prices
reef patrol
Those frames are godawfuly. So thicc
devout raptor
covid prices
and they never updated them lolå
cursive summit
and they never updated them lolå
Some muppet might buy it
You think they want to make a loss lol?
devout raptor
They sure are holding them
mossy sentinel
999€ for a 3060 ti😂 this store sure has competitive prices
450 rn in my Best Buy
fickle ore
Oh nice meta quest 3 pre-orders are live https://www.meta.com/fi/en/quest/quest-3/
gotta buy one 😄
astral haven
Deckard hype 😦
cursive summit
Oh nice meta quest 3 pre-orders are live https://www.meta.com/fi/en/quest/quest-...
That thing was not out yet?
fickle ore
Deckard hype 😦
? What 😦
cursive summit
I saw some deals page yesterday that it was like 400$ or something
astral haven
Valve should have rained on metas parade by announcing yesterday 😦
astral haven
I saw some deals page yesterday that it was like 400$ or something
Quest 2
fickle ore
Lots of Meta Quest 3 reviews popped online it seems
cursive summit
Well there was that one guy who got his by accident.
Really confused rn cause I thought this was out
There was a post yesterday about it being like 400$ in Target
fickle ore
easy pick if the price is only 100$ different
astral haven
For double the storage on the quest 2?
gusty kiln
Wait did they fix VR for rx7000 series?
astral haven
If you only want 128gb the Q2 is 300
astral haven
-_-
fickle ore
Wait did they fix VR for rx7000 series?
still broken? 
ashen spindle
Should be fixed last I checked
gusty kiln
still broken? <:dogekek:1134256020156317706>
Kek gotta hope your 7800xt runs it right
cursive summit
I haven't seen any VR posts crop up on r/AMD so it's prolly fine
gusty kiln
Power draw and vr were the 2 biggest boogeyman for 7000
cursive summit
450$ is still a better deal than 569 euro base before a random shop tacks on 5%
Maybe Amazon.de will get some 569 deals
astral haven
Also the charging stand is 130
Tho you can use usbc
And the straps to make the controllers work properly are 30
ashen spindle
Look meta connect still has today as a second chance for deckard to come
astral haven
Nah it exists, question is when is it gonna be available to me
ashen spindle
Would be really nice though, deckard Info this week, mi300 numbers next week(maybe)
cursive summit
Valve is too busy deleting CS:GO workshop maps off of Steam to release a new VR device
astral haven
Am I gonna have to wait 10 years for a former valve employee to throw it on ebay?
gusty kiln
ashen spindle
Also when is someone messing up and giving us zen5 leaks smh
The chips are out, can’t be that hard to mess up your nda
gusty kiln
Would be really nice though, deckard Info this week, mi300 numbers next week(may...
I hope so for mi300
astral haven
Closer to launch
astral haven
I hope so for mi300
Why do you care about mi300 lel
gusty kiln
Share holder
astral haven
Oof
ashen spindle
Well it’s from TSMC so might just be about the packaging and numbers only at SC23 still
gusty kiln
Oof
My average per share is 45
I'm not hurting
Just would be nice to get a little higher
ashen spindle
Also the sooner we get mi300 the sooner we get mi400 info
gusty kiln
reef patrol
reef patrol
What's cooling it?
ashen spindle
what cooler is on the cpu
but yes that seems fine
no..
the thing the fan is attached to
either one of these things
the fan itself is not directly on the cpu
stock cooler, so yes temps are totally normal
that doesnt mean anything
that wont change much
fair gull
well technically
ashen spindle
powerdraw is more or less the same
ashen spindle
only if it thermal throttles because of it
otherwise it will just take longer to heat up the room
fair gull
i mean if the room warms up the stock cooler will prob get worse temps faster
gusty kiln
That's why I want a water cooling set up but with the radiators outside the window
ashen spindle
yeah but not more than it would do with other games
fair gull
That's why I want a water cooling set up but with the radiators outside the wind...
if the radiator is in shadow all day round that could be quite efficient
wheat plume
My g305 should be here tomorrow!!!
wheat plume
I'm excited
My first wireless mouse that isn't pure garbage
gusty kiln
Old new egg
astral haven
a cooler that keeps it cooler makes the room warmer
thats actually not quite true
a cpu running the same performance can decrease power usage when its well cooled, and yes it applies even from 90c to 50c
and if you are not throttling either way you can drop quite measurable amounts
frozen ingot
looking for a decent wireless mouse with bt
gusty kiln
looking for a decent wireless mouse with bt
Grip, hand size, budget?
gusty kiln
Viper v3 hyperspeed might be up your alley
astral haven
ah but if you are on windows, razer trojan is 😬
astral haven
yea atheris is the bt one
warm night
you can just put the profile you like on the mouse then uninstall razer's garbage software
frozen ingot
bit high end for my needs, don't need more than like 1600dpi
warm night
dpi now is just a marketing number nobody actually uses however high the dpi actually goes
frozen ingot
got a gpw for gaming already
astral haven
you can just put the profile you like on the mouse then uninstall razer's garbag...
it installs itself
warm night
the installer is downloaded via windows update
you can just click cancel
no?
at least thats what I remember
astral haven
yea but it still prompts you
warm night
it shouldnt do it again after you remove it or click cancel surely
but its windows so idk
astral haven
it happened a few times to my mom
i had to install the software to get it to shut up
gusty kiln
got a gpw for gaming already
Steelseries rival 3?
astral haven
(and stupid)
yea as i said trojan
astral haven
Steelseries rival 3?
but steelseries 🤮
frozen ingot
but its wired
astral haven
yea its cheap for a reason
gusty kiln
but its wired
Rival 3 wireless
astral haven
mx anywhere 2s is around $50 now
astral haven
wireless edition
gusty kiln
Add wireless
frozen ingot
ok
astral haven
like unless they have recently fixed their support channel, steelseries effectively doesnt have a warranty
gusty kiln
Or does it not matter for travel use?
gusty kiln
Page not found
astral haven
https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005005904747831.html
"this item is unavailable in your location"
astral haven
the question is how much do you plan to use it, if its rare use, whatever
but id recommend getting something good if you are gonna use it alot
astral haven
im waiting on logitech to release the casa touchpad
frozen ingot
got a sensei ten on my desk to use otherwise
astral haven
been really enjoying using a trackpad now, there are quite a few features you get with a precision trackpad that just arent available on mouse
gusty kiln
Hoping to go softwareless with the mouse
astral haven
yea ive never really liked the apple lack of customization
maybe they have fixed it recently
old marlin
got a sensei ten on my desk to use otherwise
that thing still makes me sad
shadow minnow
been really enjoying using a trackpad now, there are quite a few features you ge...
Yeah ngl, also stuff like gestures I always miss one a mouse
frozen ingot
this was in the early 2010s, even without much customizability it was just lightyears ahead of anything on the pc side
astral haven
but i just found out this week that windowsx allows you to customize 3 and 4 finger gestures
and it was just sitting their in the windows settings menu in 10, no idea when it appeared
astral haven
this was in the early 2010s, even without much customizability it was just light...
yea the windows non precison touchpads are awful
frozen ingot
I would still use a mouse for the daw work and other things requiring a lot of simultaneous kb+mouse work
pale sigil
I hate using mice on laptops
astral haven
yea on laptops its touchscreen or riot
pale sigil
Yes
old marlin
I hate using mice on laptops
I hate using trackpads or touchscreens on a laptop
I would give trackapds a fair try if I could buy a large standalone one
pale sigil
I don't like track pads
old marlin
too bad apples does not work with windows
pale sigil
They are rarely nice
astral haven
too bad apples does not work with windows
it also uses a lightning port
old marlin
it also uses a lightning port
no "samsung plug" in sight
astral haven
logitech just released the casa set, and it includes a unifying trackpad
pale sigil
I told my laptop and still accidentally tap my old laptops screen xd
astral haven
im waiting for the casa trackpad to be released separately
i bought a generic precision wired trackpad, but it doesnt have a click and is relatively latent
old marlin
logitech just released the casa set, and it includes a unifying trackpad
not a thing here
astral haven
yea it released days ago
pale sigil
astral haven
and they arent selling the trackpad separately
pale sigil
Xd
pale sigil
I think my issue with track pads is how they feel mostly
astral haven
but yea on my pc ive been using the trackpad and mouse simultaneously
using the pad just for zoom, scrolling, media controls, app switching
pale sigil
*I have no money*
Also Pleasant
*Hotel and gaming laptop, also Maccies*
Listen here you little shit
reef patrol
old marlin
I think my issue with track pads is how they feel mostly
glass ones are decent
pale sigil
I sold that laptop and you know the rest
reef patrol
Ah fair does. Thought it was a new photo.
astral haven
im very angy that theres no option to use the trackpad and touchscreen style zoom on a mouse
pale sigil
I'm not a laptop person tbh
gusty kiln
I want a full latex mattress
pale sigil
I think if I got another laptop it would have to be 13"
gusty kiln
Yeah or a windows tablet
pale sigil
I'm just so used to the tablet eco system, I've tried for years to get into laptops but just can't.
gusty kiln
Is windows for arm good yet?
astral haven
no
pale sigil
Windows tablet experience is just meh
old marlin
Is windows for arm good yet?
nope
translation layer is not that good
and the arm cpus available just suck
gusty kiln
Rip
old marlin
if you get it running native on an m1 mac maybe
not a thing yet though
well hard to justify doing the work without the hardware being a thing
or even looking to be a thing in the next few years
ashen spindle
next qualcom chip could be decent, thats the first nuvia core that they bought but ehhh im not hopefull
astral haven
and its not like arm will have any real benefit
old marlin
hopefully
old marlin
and its not like arm will have any real benefit
could be very efficient
old marlin
x86 is more efficient
so does every cpu designer not at apple just suck
astral haven
so does every cpu designer not at apple just suck
no?
m# is less efficient
ashen spindle
no they just dont have ipone as primary market
astral haven
its just slower
ashen spindle
primary market is data center
astral haven
and with better accelerators
ashen spindle
secondary is laptop
- apple till now has had the money advantage to buy a better node at tsmc than anyone else
astral haven
and yea intel makes chips that use less power and have higher flops than the apple phone chips
the problem is that theres no software that is built for them, and intel doesnt have great accelerators for web in their smol chips
old marlin
and yea intel makes chips that use less power and have higher flops than the app...
which failing architecture is it now
how many of those has intel amassed
astral haven
??
old marlin
yea but those have software for them
astral haven
that same software runs on the pentiums and celerons
and the pentiums and celerons are damn cheap
old marlin
yes
astral haven
x86 fam
ashen spindle
m# for now has the advantage like consoles have, barely no difference so software is really optimized for it
astral haven
^^^
old marlin
the less efficient efficiency cores
old marlin
m# for now has the advantage like consoles have, barely no difference so softwar...
fair
astral haven
the efficiency cores are extremely efficient
ashen spindle
but thats a one time movement they can do, now you see them stagnate already
astral haven
not as efficient as zen can be but you can run both without cooling
and im not sure this is true for zen any more
astral haven
zen 2 monolithic could run without a cooler
ashen spindle
you still could they just dont set cTDP for that because theres no device for it
old marlin
zen 4 heatspreaders still make me sad
astral haven
@old marlin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5_sBF2d9tI
ashen spindle
its good progress but still behind using a mux a bit
old marlin
I don't think will ever fail as hard as with iapx
can only go up
According to the New York Times, "the i432 ran 5 to 10 times more slowly than its competitor, the Motorola 68000"
even though itanium was more expensive
astral haven
you still could they just dont set cTDP for that because theres no device for it
are you sure?
i think that at least phx has high enough base power usage that you wouldnt be able to run low enough
astral haven
`According to the New York Times, "the i432 ran 5 to 10 times more slowly than i...
again this is the software thing
old marlin
well yea
old marlin
the iapx software was shit because intel made it shit
astral haven
yet the m1 ultra can win benchmarks sometimes
old marlin
they made the compiler for it
and it just was not that good
which meant it was very slow
ashen spindle
you could make a sku with zen4c or something that just removes unneeded connectors and shit if that was the goal, vanilla zen monoliths idk
astral haven
yea they did a bad job
astral haven
which meant it was very slow
except for in the applications where it worked well
ashen spindle
bun van gogh also isnt stock zen2 apu config you find elsewhere
old marlin
there were no applications made to run natively on it
astral haven
thats not true at all
hp made quite a few
and for the applications that were specifically designed for itanium, those chips could scream
old marlin
oh
not itanium
iapx
even the os for iapx was made with the shitty ada compiler intel made
so even that ran slow
astral haven
not familiar with iapx
old marlin
yea was an older fuckup
astral haven
but itanium was intels actual released to market attempt
old marlin
itanium was just screwed by being a weird product with not that many users
astral haven
and itanium was actually more risc than arm
gusty kiln
Lol linus finally made a 7900xtx update video
old marlin
iapx was also launched but there was no reason to buy it
astral haven
🤷 that was actually 40 years ago tho lel
old marlin
yea
astral haven
itanium was still being sold in the last 10 years
old marlin
due to stupid agreements on intels side
if hp wanted they would still have to make them
astral haven
🤷 werent that stupid if it made them money
astral haven
and no im pretty sure the agreement just expired after 15 years
old marlin
itanium was a very costly project
astral haven
sure but manufacturing the chips wasnt
just because they already spent a billion making it 20 years ago has no relevance to how much profit they can milk from it now
sure in total they would have been better off not doing it, but they already sunk the billion, now it just costs them a production line in a fab and gives them a sizeable revenue
definetly not releasing until after dec 14 lel
astral haven
eh intel doesnt do pure paper launches
sure it may only be available in 1 store in israel, but it at least could be bought by someone 😛
ashen spindle
thats paper launch
astral haven
eh, most paper launches actually just dont have any available besides review samples
cursive summit
Aren't those now owned by asus
astral haven
what
ashen spindle
meteor lake is just a 2024 product in reality that's all
astral haven
you arent wrong at all lel
ashen spindle
which just makes this slide really funny
bc arrow is Q3/4 not start of 24 like this would show
cursive summit
How's meteor a 24 product if it launched already?
astral haven
it hasnt launched already lmao
astral haven
Is it not out? I saw some for purchase
lol no
cursive summit
And arrow the really underwhelming arch is coming next year?
ashen spindle
yes late 24
ashen spindle
oh this is fantastic news if you compare it to data center
cursive summit
Data center is doing even worse?
astral haven
oh yea big time
ashen spindle
alchemist LPG
cursive summit
How can it be worse than a mediocre refresh and a horrible new arch
astral haven
if you thought mi300 wasnt competitive, just look at pvc
ashen spindle
How can it be worse than a mediocre refresh and a horrible new arch
the 288 e core cpu they showed is losing to zen4c and will launch alongside zen5c lol
cursive summit
Or is Intel just really badly getting their teeth kicked in on all fronts, that's why they are doing poorly
Wasn't the 288e core thing some technological demonstrator
ashen spindle
well it was basically cancelled because no customer wanted it
cursive summit
Tbf e cores suck so I have no clue why they even made it in the first place
ashen spindle
but they still showed it off to show something
astral haven
Tbf e cores suck so I have no clue why they even made it in the first place
the e cores are fantastic
cursive summit
Hm, alright
astral haven
just not for servers (at least not datacenter)
cursive summit
Zen 5 sure is going to be exciting
Still looking forwards to Battlemage
That's about the most exciting thing Intel has nowadays
More GPUs is great
astral haven
meteor could be very interesting
ashen spindle
meteor should be fine, but it's also kinda sad that we are excited about the finally catching up to amd apu options after this many vears
and strix is lurking...
astral haven
meteor should be fine, but it's also kinda sad that we are excited about the fin...
define catching up tho
ashen spindle
igpu performance
frail pilot
i fixed it by replugging it
ashen spindle
#1019755933959733258 if you have further issues
astral haven
igpu performance
sure but intel has been ahead on either performance or power usage this entire time
you want a 20 hour SOT laptop it aint happening on amd
cursive summit
and strix is lurking...
Is that a mobile or a desktop launch?
astral haven
and the big h chips from intel are still faster, just less efficient
astral haven
yea intel has their 2 watt platform
ashen spindle
and the big h chips from intel are still faster, just less efficient
cpu side sure, not iGPU
cursive summit
It's been a little while since 5600G and 5700G AMD APUs, would be cool if AMD released some new ones
vagrant pagoda
Speaking of @astral haven you see the minisforum tablet?
vagrant pagoda
Ryzen 8000 looks cool for thin and lights
cursive summit
Yeah fair enough
vagrant pagoda
I mean didn't asus make them anyway?
ashen spindle
Is that a mobile or a desktop launch?
strix point is the normal zen5 apu, strix halo is the massive 40CU apu
vagrant pagoda
Lots of people don't know how big asus is
cursive summit
Asus made intel nucs?
cursive summit
strix point is the normal zen5 apu, strix halo is the massive 40CU apu
Wait wait wait, it's now 40CUs??? The biggest one was supposed to be 20
vagrant pagoda
ASUS is a massive manufacturer for other people's shit
astral haven
plenty of laptops over a grand
vagrant pagoda
More than consoles
astral haven
i want it for vr tho
cursive summit
Which isn't a bad ask for a good 1440p gaming APU
vagrant pagoda
Which is good
astral haven
hopefully itll do 4k lel
vagrant pagoda
I mean Xbox and PS5 do 4K
ashen spindle
if you remember 20 you might be thinking of 20wgp which should be 40cu
vagrant pagoda
Just not at crank settings
ashen spindle
series X is 52 CU
frail pilot
Could anyone explain why my wooting was typing very slowly/ lag when I don’t have tach mode enabled and it has been working fine for weeks? I replugged it and it seems to be all good. Was wondering what the issue was
ashen spindle
#1019755933959733258 for that
frail pilot
Does the keeb recalibrate upon launch?
ashen spindle
yes
ashen spindle
whenever it gets powered on
vagrant pagoda
series X is 52 CU
yeah s is only 20
frail pilot
Oh so there is a recalibration everytime I see
frail pilot
Everytime I turn on my pc
ashen spindle
yeah 7040 series is rnda3
vagrant pagoda
and it will mess with the travel
ashen spindle
strix will be 3.5
vagrant pagoda
yeah the strix is 8000 right?
ashen spindle
should be yes, zen5+rdna3.5
vagrant pagoda
no 8000 is zen 4+3.5
ashen spindle
what
vagrant pagoda
yeah
ashen spindle
8 is just the launch year in their naming
so next year, when zen5 launches, strix point gets an 8
and strix is zen5
ashen spindle
strix is zen5, if they use the same naming who knows
vagrant pagoda
oh
its only the 25w that is zen4
the big boys are zen 5
damn 120w apu?
thats nutx
ashen spindle
yeah halo is a fitting name
vagrant pagoda
but i guess thats what you need for 40cu
ashen spindle
it would be really funny if you put that into a handheld
and have a switch2 emulator thats better than switch2 on release lmfao
vagrant pagoda
yeah but 100wh would be mean a brick with 40min of life
ashen spindle
pshh who cares about that when I can point and laugh at nintendo
vagrant pagoda
more like laptop with good battery life on power save
and console+ speed plugged in
ashen spindle
could also just be a part they make to convince laptop/handheld or whomever to invest more into that formfactor if big APUs can work out well
ashen spindle
it could do a lot so lets hope they dont rdna3 it
vagrant pagoda
?
ashen spindle
fuck it up just late enough to not fix it
vagrant pagoda
whats wrong with rdna3, havent had issues with 7900
ashen spindle
something (likely) in physdes went kaput which causes them to need a lot more power for lower clocks than it was planned
cursive summit
How are you going to cool 120W in a handheld?
cursive summit
Oo, fan on a handheld
That sure makes a lot of sense, just stick your fingers in it
crisp granite
How are you going to cool 120W in a handheld?
A liquid nitrogen pot
vagrant pagoda
Oo, fan on a handheld
steamdeck?
crisp granite
pffff, challenge accepted
ashen spindle
oh neat
wheat plume
Why did Apple stock plummet???
Are their investors angry they swapped to USB C and so all their accessories are useless?
ashen spindle
because its up
crimson wigeon
New iPhone overheating problems
wheat plume
New iPhone overheating problems
Oh
The issue they blamed non-Apple made USB C cables on?
vagrant pagoda
its still up like 40% over a year isnt it?
ashen spindle
Are their investors angry they swapped to USB C and so all their accessories are...
you have some wild fantasies
no lana it has nothing to do with any of that
marsh glade
Stock prices have absolutely nothing to do with fundamentals
wheat plume
Fair
ashen spindle
^
ashen spindle
it can sometimes overlap but usually not
vagrant pagoda
that is crazy
marsh glade
Prices move in a way that forces institutional traders and hedge funds to enter and exit positions
marsh glade
Equities in general are going to take a hell of a beating for the next month and a half or so
ashen spindle
well they had multiple stock splits so idk if thats even accurately tracked
marsh glade
I'm personally expecting the Nasdaq to drop to below 13,500 before Thanksgiving
thick oak
Need a computer wizard to suggest me the best possible CPU for 4070 pair
hasty thunder
slow vale
4090 and i9 13k gonna look real nice with a wooting keyboard
smoky frigate
looks like a dance floor
slow vale
8 front case fans
Holy shit
Yeah this wasn’t a performance only build it was focused to be flashy and high power
It’s my first build so I skipped water cooling
Gonna do that later tho
thick oak
Can I please send you my motherboard when I get home. I know nothing about computers, this is my first gaming one and I’m not even sure if the CPUs I’m shopping are compatible lol
slow vale
Can I please send you my motherboard when I get home. I know nothing about compu...
You asking me or?
Also idk what your talking about the gpu has a display port so does the mobo
thick oak
Was asking V’ but driving and missed the reply 😂 really asking anyone who is willing to help
I want to get the most fps possible out of my 4070
old marlin
you should see prices on that case
old marlin
you should see prices on that case
costs like almost twice as much as the mobo
pale sigil
4090 and i9 13k gonna look real nice with a wooting keyboard
That's just horrible haha
Sorry but wtf
That's a beacon
slow vale
What would the purpose even be tho like no need
pale sigil
You can put that on the top of a lighthouse
astral haven
What would the purpose even be tho like no need
the screen side panels for example
slow vale
You can put that on the top of a lighthouse
Could not spell out more that was the point
old marlin
and this is a design crime
pale sigil
💪
slow vale
It’s a duel system case you can fit two in one I just didn’t wanna
old marlin
while being more boring than the cooler master halo product cases
pale sigil
Wouldn't ever buy them specs but I wouldn't say no if offered haha
slow vale
Also that design crime is cause I couldn’t find cords long enough to organize💀
Ngl the back is something out of tentacle hentai
old marlin
It’s a duel system case you can fit two in one I just didn’t wanna
at that size it better be
pale sigil
It's just a big box with a small mobo
No where to cable tidy etc
Way more than you need
slow vale
at that size it better be
And the back has a ton of organization stuff plus a bunch of storage slots
old marlin
a haf 700 evo is cheaper btw
pale sigil
Either way, if you like it that's all that matters.
old marlin
corsair case pricing is just completely stupid nowadays
cursive summit
Either Metaverse is completely dead on arrival, and still is
pale sigil
I am surprised that it's on carpet though
cursive summit
Or Metaverse will somehow become the biggest thing down the line
slow vale
Way more than you need
This is something you would see in a server room or something I just wanted it for my room
pale sigil
That's fair if you wanted it in your room but no, it's not something you'd see in a server room.
old marlin
And the back has a ton of organization stuff plus a bunch of storage slots
it also has the doors
so your glass panel is right on top of a steel panel
god I love case design
so sensible
slow vale
The carpet is cause I don’t have any other option but I do t have any intake there so I’m not to worried
old marlin
even with the dual system waterloop with thick af rads it looks kinda empty
slow vale
You guys know where I could buy any extra long cables
slow vale
even with the dual system waterloop with thick af rads it looks kinda empty
If that’s empty then I’m Shaquille oatmeal
gusty kiln
Halloween icon already 
old marlin
If that’s empty then I’m Shaquille oatmeal
that is the area to do ????? in
not to mention the like 200mm you get above the mobo
that is with the fattest rads they could find
and it still looks like that
vagrant pagoda
that is the area to do ????? in
longer boards
look at the big boy intel hedt stuff
pale sigil
Halloween icon already <:mage:612454509603717140>
And mansen butchered it
old marlin
look at the big boy intel hedt stuff
slow vale
Thank you I’ma fix the cable problems shortly
vagrant pagoda
perfect for an SR-X build
its atx
not even wide
you can see the atxal standoffs next to the board
and the big boy standoffs on the otherside of the first gromet
old marlin
but like
slow vale
Yeahhh either way it was my first build and I’m more then happy with it
old marlin
they fit in normal cases still
vagrant pagoda
go look tat the z790 sage
old marlin
just a pro
slow vale
My original idea was to do like watercooling art through the case
astral haven
oh lmao
vagrant pagoda
but yeah
a eeb board will cover the first set of gromets
then you would only have the single gromet beween the res and board
astral haven
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119638
w790 ace is hedt and regular atx with only the slightest of overhangs
slow vale
I didn’t want any displays inside tho maybe like a temp display but I was gonna add that with water cooling
old marlin
I can only think of 2 blocks that display temperature
astral haven
the sage is massive compared ot the ace
has twice the memory channels and most of twice the pcie slots lanes
old marlin
one of them has a display so small you would prob have to climb inside
astral haven
just get gud lel
old marlin
just get whatever case they have for it
astral haven
also it bothers me how they didnt have all the memory clips the same
old marlin
god this is cursed
astral haven
at least they dont have random memory clips wrong
vagrant pagoda
also it bothers me how they didnt have all the memory clips the same
yeah
astral haven
look at the amount of sata ports
smh just throw a 8743 port on there or 2 to be precise
vagrant pagoda
if i remebet the 1000d had the second psu have zero airflow
old marlin
smh just throw a 8743 port on there or 2 to be precise
also for that you would need SAS controllers
vagrant pagoda
no
vagrant pagoda
you can use sata only via 8743
astral haven
my board does
old marlin
vagrant pagoda
loads of boards do it
vagrant pagoda
no
astral haven
you can support both nvme and sata and skip sas
old marlin
idk I have only ever touched it on boards/cards with sas
astral haven
you can also support all 3 if you want
vagrant pagoda
sas is only needed for multipath inside a single machine really
so using sata is fine
thats for the itx system
old marlin
it looks so funny in there
vagrant pagoda
the main psu i on the bottom
old marlin
but also I don't think they had larger ITX psus at the time
slow vale
Y’all talking bout stuff I haven’t even got to yet lmao
And I had this case suggested to me by a friend he said don’t look just order, I saw it was a “tower” what I neglected at the time do to lack of knowledge was where is said “Super tower” further down in the description
I could’ve returned it but honestly I loved the way it looked
zenith silo
you probably turned your game on fullscreen instead of fullscreen borderless
crimson wigeon
Is game set to borderless window mode?
zenith silo
borderless sucks anyway
pale sigil
Not really these days
reef patrol
This peasant doesn't alt tab
zenith silo
it takes like 2 seconds to alt tab on fullscreen
ashen spindle
or 0 on borderless
I know what I prefer, and also not deal with artifacts or other issues
reef patrol
it takes like 2 seconds to alt tab on fullscreen
Now do it constantly and watch as that frustration adds up 😛
zenith silo
does borderless not increase latency
reef patrol
Compared to... instantly.
zenith silo
Now do it constantly and watch as that frustration adds up 😛
i do
ashen spindle
not for years
zenith silo
doesnt bother me
ashen spindle
unless something broke there isnt really a reason to use fullscreen
pale sigil
On what
ashen spindle
also some times stuff just breaks, try not to always figure it out, easier to just hope it never breaks again
zenith silo
i dont want to switch monitors when im in games
so id rather fullscreen anyway so my mouse stays on 1 screen
ashen spindle
i dont want to switch monitors when im in games
that would be a case of game not locking mouse which any decent game doesnt do so it only happens if you want it
zenith silo
Ye but I hate the game minimizing
yeah i get why people use ot
i dont prefer it
unless im playing like singleplayer games like skyrim or some shit
pale sigil
I used fullscreens before for a long time because of an Nvidia issue
zenith silo
any fps i always go fullscreen
pale sigil
With having a lower refresh rate monitor with a high one
ashen spindle
windows issue not just nvidia, w11 insider has that fixed it seems
rough osprey
no 24 😔
pale sigil
windows issue not just nvidia, w11 insider has that fixed it seems
I'm on about the one I had with d2
Where the game runs terribly if borderless and if I had my other monitor on
gusty kiln
Wait uhd?
Damn, gunna be hella expensive
Oh wait
I was looking at the 240hz
Not 360 hz
Still easily over 1000
ashen spindle
gusty kiln
Spicy
empty wren
It also has non hidden pcie
reef patrol
reef patrol
ALL of the emulation.
empty wren
Does it have a heatsink doe?
halcyon moss
It also has non hidden pcie
But no 'm.2 and tbh, that's weird because sdcard failure is to common
reef patrol
Hm